That DSG really is gorgeous. I’m sure she will be an absolute pleasure to operate. The two I trained on in the early 80’s were simply outstanding machines. So smooth and quiet. You don’t see Engineering like that anymore. Can’t wait to see the grand old lady peel some steel Max.
Hello Max, you have done an excellent job of lighting your shop. Not only does it photograph well, but looks like it is easy on the eyes when doing your work. Glad you were able to save the Queen of lathes. A pleasure as always, cheers.
Great job,Max, and a fantastic machine you scored. We know, you will bring this girl back to its former glory. Congrats. I´m looking forward for your future projects, always highly interesting and something to learn. I always remember David Wilks and his DS&G, plowing through steel and inconel like a tank. Regards from Frankfurt/ Germany. Michael
Max, I will never get used to the fact that when it’s summer here, it’s winter there and vida verse. Talk about jet lag! That old machine is sure a beauty. I do hope you can get it working again. I’m also sad when these old machines disappear. So many major companies from the late 1890s to early 1900s have gone, often with no examples of their groundbreaking designs.
Thanks . It's hard to get information on the old machines , even newer ones . At least it will be saved from scrap and returning as some cheap import car or similar ! 👍
Cracking video. Ive a 1962 13/30 DSG that was owned by the same chap for most of its life , so is in lovely condition , according to my untrained eye anyway. Im not a machinist by trade but can certainly understand why people like them. Looking forward to seeing the Old Queen back together again. Regards from the UK.
Hi Max, fixing that gib is very relevant to me right now, and saving that DSG is a service to the nations. In a very minor way I had the same experience with a Mercer inspection stand my friend said "do you want it?" and I said no. Then he said he would scrap it and I said "no you won't!". It would be a crime to scrap the DSG. You can get them quite cheaply here now but the issue is space and 3 phase (mine is just a home shop). Cheers
Lol , i wish DSG's were cheap here ! The best ones i have seen were in a New Zealand Government CSIRO laboratory back in 1981 , tiled floor you could eat you lunch off ! 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Max, I need the Axelson lathe exclusive arm exercises for my new personal achievement venture in extreme solo rowboat racing. The DSG is highly sought after and a rare find over here I have not come across one that was broken but have seen a couple with a lot of heavy use in the last 15yrs, great find Max!
I always look forward to your videos, regardless of topic. I learn so much each time. But I am really enjoying the JFMT repair series. That DS&G looks like one stout machine.
@@swanvalleymachineshop yeah me too. I think he has simply retired. I know he still reads his comments as he liked one of curtis his comments not so long ago.
Great work and good tips sorting that gibb out Max. The old DSG might have been lucky not spending its working life in a repetition production shop. Let's hope there's not too much wear in the usual places. Cheers Tony
I’m new to your channel, I’ve watched a dozen or so of your videos so far, and like your no nonsense approach. Love the old DS&G. I don’t know if it’s been suggested, but the damage may have been from clattering with materials from an overhead crane, as it was in a railway workshop. I worked in a shop with a big overhead crane, previously used for vessel building and saw a lot of damage from careless use.
Gday Max, I’ve always wanted to see how the gibs are shimmed, there’s really not a lot to do on the JFMT now by the looks, the DSG is absolutely gorgeous, I’d be surprised if there’s much wear at all considering the condition of the bits like half nuts and gears, you done see machines built like that now, cheers
G'day Max.. lost of work with the gib assembly, which works for the moment. The Dean Smith looks the part, & being part of the Old Midland Railway Workshops is a Plus for History. A few mates from way back did their Apprenticeships on the Trains as well as in the Shops. Looking forward to the Restoration in the near future. I can see a lot of our English RUclips friends helping with lots of notes & Information. Great video, Thanks
Steel shipping bands can be used as shim stock in a pinch, and also can be thinned on a surface grinder (the ultimate in desperation) The DSG is a good looking war horse.
Thanks . I have a stash of banding , but it was too thick . My grinder , a Jung HF50 is not up & running yet & i don't think it has the req'd travel . It's a bloody long gib ! 👍
It looks as if the machine has never been worked hard, it seems to still have a lot of life in it, of course it is from the 30's or 40's and that means it was produced and built like a tank, it will be a welcomed addition to your shop. I can only say that the Horizonal Boring Machine is what I am growing old waiting for you to work your magic on, even though the Boring Mill has defiantly been worked hard and put away wet as they say. see you and thanks for showing us all these things from the land down under, you are having winter and we in the western USA are having a hot summer.
Hi Max, my Mum in Perth and Brothers are complaining about the cold. My DSG 13x42 was built in 1954, I got the date verified by a DSG agent in North Freo, back in 1995, He sent the serial no to DSG UK and they had records of the lathe. Imported by Gilbert and Lodge and used by the PWD in Perth. I was only 2 years old when she was unloaded from the ship in Freo wharf!!! She had a rear mounted 5 HP Crompton Parkinson motor, UK made. Had a Matrix clutch driving through the gearbox and then through 5 B section link belts, Brammer belts. One pulley had built in eccentrics to loosen or tension belts, pretty clever. I think the belts were designed for better finish and good shock absorption for interrupted cuts. Of course the feed gears were mounted on the spindle. Your change gearbox for feed shaft and leadsrew looks the same, chain driven internals. That beast will remove metal at ease.
Just to clarify the chain in the feed gearbox is attached to the knob which moves the selector in the gearbox. I know the internals very well after my 4 year old Daughter had played with the lathe while shutdown and engaged the half nuts, next morning started the lathe motor and engaged the clutch, horrible noise, the carriage hit against the support for feed and leadscrew casting. Stripped 2 gears, one of them was internally splined, hardened and profile ground, had them remade by professional machine shop in Myaree. He was critical of the DSG design, crossfeed to short, allowing rocking, they did this to accommodate the power drilling attachment to clamp on the dovetails. Handy attachment with 4 MT taper.
@@willemvantsant5105 Ouch ! Also the tracer attachment mounts there as well . That drill attachment looks a good thing , there is a picture of it in the manual i have . 👍
Give DSG a call, they might may have records back that far. I have some original manual pages for that machine, but not anything you don't have in the reprint copy. I wouldn't be surprised if it was lineshaft powered in its early life, I believe that generation of machines date from the late 1920's to 1949 / early 1950's when the new models were launched, but finding any definitive information is difficult.
Superb video Max, I need to do similar with my mill gibs so this is a great reference. The DSG really doesn't look like it's done much work, hopefully the bed will be similar when you check it. I used to work a couple of these old girls many years ago, they really are bullet proof and ooze quality. Keighley is pronounced 'Keithley', and was central to the industrial belt in the north of England between the cotton mills in the west, and steel/shipbuilding in the north east..... there's today's useless bit of info lol.
Max it is certainly a beautiful Old Machine. If you are anything like I am you want to keep it as original as possible. Hard to do sometimes but that is why we do it. Great demo on the repair of the Gib. My cross slide Gib has already been shimmed but I will be making a new cross slide nut and screw. When I get to that part of the restoration. I've been chipping away at it for 3 years now but only work on it when I am in the mood. I am looking forward to your next video. As always thanks for bringing us along. Too bad we can't meet in the middle on the weather. It got up to 113 Faren height here this week.
Nice work on the gib Max, pretty interesting fault analysis reminds me I haven't checked mine for some time. Anyhow it is nice to see a bit of coolness somewhere else in the world. So stay warm and cheers to you!
Wow that's an old thermometer.. i inherited one from my grandmother that looks the same, it was handed out by Dorrigo General store back in the 40s or 50s and it has the shops phone number on it and it's only 3 digits
Hi Max, Midland Workshops opened 1904 and closed 1994. Would speculate she was lineshaft fed and electric motor added at a later date. Is the motor 50 Hz or 40 Hz, in the old days Perth ran on 40 Hz, maybe another possible reason she came without motor. If 40Hz will run happily on 50 Hz, more iron. I am guessing late twenties to early thirties for her age. Mine ran on Timken roller bearings up to 1800 RPM, barely hear it running. I occasionally rode a steam train to Mt Lawley Tech from Freo at the start of my Apprenticeship, memories.
The motor was made here . I will check the Hz . It has had a test run when the wiring was checked by the previous owner . What worries me is if it was run with no spindle pre lube or inspection after sitting outside for so long .
Bit of a worry with Babbit bearings I assume, if Bronze a little more tolerant without lube. Mine had an internal piston oil pump driven off a cam on the input shaft passing oil through a magnetic strainer to the spindle bearings and other critical areas plus sight glass drip indicator. Is yours splash lubricated?
@@willemvantsant5105 Electric pump for the headstock lube . They topped up the oil tank & had the headstock lid off to check the oil flow . I will still have to pull the caps off for inspection .
Yep, recall now seeing the copper oil tubes, wonder if the electric oil pump was a much later addition, certainly well ahead of its time. Seen it on a nineties Colchester Lathe, would not run up, failed oil pump, pressure switch not giving permissive to start.
Oh that DSG! What a gem, Max. Does it have form relieving hardware amongst the bits and pieces? Would make it so useful for making your own form tools. Can't wait to see it running.
Great sort out on the gib Max. The DSG is a lovely old machine, I suspect from very late 20's to mid 30's. A nice Yorkshire machine from Keightly. (pronounced Keith-ly). You will make a nice job of it I'm sure Max and for heavy turning it will do you reet proud as they would say in Yorkshire!
Definitely on the squiffy Max, great diagnosis on the errant gib strip. DSG looks like it was intended, or was in the design for lay shaft, as you say, motor bracket looks shop made, possibly motor was floor mounted? Very nice lathe. New shop looking good 👍. Thanks for sharing
Max- I have used Loctite (Henkel) to glue the shims to the gib strip. Just clamp them overnight, and let the Loctite set. A little heat will remove the shims easily if needed. I have done this a few times and it makes it less fussing around when installing everything. Also, do not overlook steel banding material used on pallet shipments for a source of shim material. I have seen from .015" to .023" banding. You can even surface grind it to fit. ---Doozer
@@swanvalleymachineshop I don't remember if you have a surface grinder functioning, but remember you can always grind sections of the shim, and move it over on the magnet. No need for a long capacity grinder for just a silly shim. Also the DSG is wayyyy coool. I have a Colchester 17" round head lathe, and the engineering on it is a bit sketchy. Probably more of a general use machine than a toolroom machine. Interesting to see the design of the DSG as you take put it back together. I really love these detailed machine videos that you do. I have many machines in my shop that I am restoring. Man if we were neighbors, we would be at each other's shops all the time. Darn other side of the planet ! --Doozer in NC USA.
@@kooldoozer My grinder is a German made Jung HF50 , but i still have work to do on the machine before it gets powered up . Lol , yes we probably would be knocking back a couple of coldies on occasion !
I really enjoy your videos Max - your passion is inspiring and I always learn something from you, even when it's not what I was looking for (beginner hobby machinist) I'm in Bunbury and we are feeling the cold lately as well. The Northern hemisphere mob must be laughing at our idea of cold :
G'day Max I see that the DSG was keeping good company at its previous location as I m sure that its a Massey Power Hammer lurking in the background. My brother in Upper Swan picked an old flat bed Macson recently in an auction and he was told it too had come from the Midland Rail Workshops. Cheers Hugh
The shops looking really full now Max compared to when I saw it last. Might be paying you another visit soon. Ill catch up on the email. As always another great video. Cheers Trevor K
Ha ha! You made getting that leadscrew back together easy. Have a very neglected manual lathe at work with similar issues and it took me 15 mins to find the hole 😅. That's a nice old unit. Hope the spindle bearings are in as good as condition as the rest of her 🥰. I'm sure all them aesthetic issues will be a piece of cake for you 👍😁👍. Cheers!
G'Day Max, We got the heat wave here today...on this side of the rock. That should be a huge improvement with that gib sorted... Now, any lathe that has my name on it must be top of the line...Lol. That thing is built like a precision battle ship, should be a rewarding project ! ATB....Cheers.....Dean
Bloody hell Max, that DS&G is a huge project, good luck when you start it. Not wanting to teach granny to suck eggs, did you check the inside of the bed for a date? some manufacturers cast the date in the bed. As an aside I am currently working about 30 miles from where this bad boy was made, small world eh?. ( Keith Rucker might be able to shed some light on the model and motor conondrum, he has a huge library of vintage machinery handbooks and manuals). Regards, Mal.
Very cool old lathe. I love the older Iron beast. They hum like a sewing machine too. It’s interesting too the comment you made about “we don’t make anything here anymore “ We don’t make hardly anything here in the USA either, all our manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas to china and down to Mexico. I can’t help but wonder if it was intentional ya know… Almost like we were sold out.. but there is a few of us “ok fashioned folks who just like to make stuff ! I love Australia and I love all the good people down under. If i ever left America Australia is the only other place I’d want to be. Thanks for sharing your experience, enjoyed your video. 👍🏻
Thanks . Big business discovered instead of paying us good wages , they can get the stuff made elsewhere for a bowl of rice a day & make more money & things just spiraled out of control . Cheers . 👍
Amigo max como tienes máquina allí en tu taller pero se ve bonito bien alumbrado me contenta todo ese gran logro has progresado mucho Dios te Bendiga 🙏
Hi Max, I have the same machine in my workshop 4AN I believe but looks almost identical to yours.... if you want any pic's drop me a message ... the "isolator switch" is an oil filter, it says "turn daily" from memory.
love the brass knobs on all the gear change levers, this kind of quality just doesn't exist today, all the modern stuff is poor quality shit these days, and a lot of the time even this is a major understatement of the quality of machines made today.
Now you're getting to the point where you need schedules and listings and a boss to keep you busy. Max Max Max... Mom not watching you? Love the old Queen. In fact it begs the question, why not just make a gib for the first one so you can move on quicker? I know I know there are a lot of good reasons but I am impatient...🤣🤣😉👍
Oh hell Max that's not cold 4C is just a brisk morning! -40? now that's bloody cold..Heh Heh Worn gibs can and will drive you batty, If I ever encounter a broke one like you have I might just loose it completely! They guys with white coats and butterfly nets will have to haul me off! It does strike me odd that they left as much as the did behind the slot on the fat end. What is that an inch (25mm) ? That gib almost seems too long to begin with. Nevertheless, you can only mess with something for so long. If it works as it should I say run it! If complete rebuild is in the cards later, you can plan ahead some. Anyway progress is being made. A DSG eh? Even here in the US a DSG well regarded to those in the know. I am half Limey so I really like 'em. Cheers
Thanks . Yes , the gib looked about 3/4'' too long . Not cutting it though ( yet ! ) , been caught out before !!! Bugger me , i am glad we don't get those temps ! Hey , i have the parts to build a diamond lap for scraper blades now . Cheers 👍
There are two DSG's less than 5 km from my home. Sadly, they have been used in a foundry, so they will be pretty worn and probably beyond economical rebuild. Yours is a different story. Enjoy!
0:47 “Northern hemisphere “. Whoa, watch your words Max. That is only valid for that part of the world that considers itself to be the whole world. The rest of the northern hemisphere (“what rest?”, “shut up”) is metric or gradually turning to metric, yes, the UK is the latter. And strictly speaking you are using a non-standard as well, as the official standard for temperature is Kelvin. But hey, there is some wiggle room. Love your vids. Wish you well from the NL
Always a pleasure seeing what you are up to. Your practical explanations and repairs are easy for me to follow along with. Makes the learning quick. Thanks for your time and skills as well as your sense of humor.
Mate your stuff is bloody superb always top shelf engaging - there use to be a pommie tuber who loved DSG lathes - he use to do extremely large annular type boring with tools he use to make up himself - he went off line which was a pity after his business went arse up - listen mate are you interested in an extremely large tapping head with all attachments - it come out of a place in Bendigo that use to make 100mm howitzers of all things - got all the bits - yours free if the shipping is no more than a $100 - Ive had a lot of enjoyment out of your channel ands was about to scrap it but thought of your DSG lathe with huge tailstock.
Hey thanks . That would be David Wilks , had a cracking channel . Not sure what happened to him . Email me , theswanvalleymachineshop@gmail.com i am interested in the tapping head . Cheers . 👍
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That DSG really is gorgeous. I’m sure she will be an absolute pleasure to operate. The two I trained on in the early 80’s were simply outstanding machines. So smooth and quiet. You don’t see Engineering like that anymore. Can’t wait to see the grand old lady peel some steel Max.
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Looking forward to seeing the Queen returned to her throne
Same here ! 👍
Hello Max, you have done an excellent job of lighting your shop. Not only does it photograph well, but looks like it is easy on the eyes when doing your work. Glad you were able to save the Queen of lathes. A pleasure as always, cheers.
Thanks . 👍
Great job,Max, and a fantastic machine you scored. We know, you will bring this girl back to its former glory. Congrats. I´m looking forward for your future projects, always highly interesting and something to learn. I always remember David Wilks and his DS&G, plowing through steel and inconel like a tank. Regards from Frankfurt/ Germany. Michael
Thanks . A couple of my grinding machines , my WMW internal grinder & Jung HF50 are from your country ! 👍
Go max go ! Hope you get her back on the throne before we all die!! Great job young man
No worries ! 👍
You have me hooked; I want to watch every step!
Cheers . 👍
That Dean Smith & Grace lathe is a museum piece. What a beauty.
Cheers Rusty . This one is just too good to use for my letter box out by the gate ! 👍
Max, I will never get used to the fact that when it’s summer here, it’s winter there and vida verse. Talk about jet lag! That old machine is sure a beauty. I do hope you can get it working again. I’m also sad when these old machines disappear. So many major companies from the late 1890s to early 1900s have gone, often with no examples of their groundbreaking designs.
Thanks . It's hard to get information on the old machines , even newer ones . At least it will be saved from scrap and returning as some cheap import car or similar ! 👍
Cracking video. Ive a 1962 13/30 DSG that was owned by the same chap for most of its life , so is in lovely condition , according to my untrained eye anyway. Im not a machinist by trade but can certainly understand why people like them. Looking forward to seeing the Old Queen back together again. Regards from the UK.
Thanks . 👍
I have Perth on my weather app, so I always can see what your weather is like.
It was neat finding out when it's cold for you it's hot in the USA. 👍
Lol , we have not had many days in the last month with no rain . So much for the dry winter the weather bureau said ! 👍
Hi Max, fixing that gib is very relevant to me right now, and saving that DSG is a service to the nations. In a very minor way I had the same experience with a Mercer inspection stand my friend said "do you want it?" and I said no. Then he said he would scrap it and I said "no you won't!". It would be a crime to scrap the DSG. You can get them quite cheaply here now but the issue is space and 3 phase (mine is just a home shop). Cheers
Lol , i wish DSG's were cheap here ! The best ones i have seen were in a New Zealand Government CSIRO laboratory back in 1981 , tiled floor you could eat you lunch off ! 👍
The best lathe introduction ever! Bravo!!!
Lol, thanks ! I don't have to have arms like Popeye to change spindle speeds on this one . Cheers , keep up the revolution ! 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Max, I need the Axelson lathe exclusive arm exercises for my new personal achievement venture in extreme solo rowboat racing. The DSG is highly sought after and a rare find over here I have not come across one that was broken but have seen a couple with a lot of heavy use in the last 15yrs, great find Max!
Enjoyed…great progress and discussion
Thanks Chuck . 👍
I have learnt a lot from you Max. Keep up the great work.
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Thanks Max, always learn something from your videos.
Cheers . 👍
This is a really informative series. Very nice work, Max.
Thanks Rob , Cheers . 👍
I always look forward to your videos, regardless of topic. I learn so much each time. But I am really enjoying the JFMT repair series. That DS&G looks like one stout machine.
Thanks . The DSG is really solid . 👍
Won't be long now until you're making chips with the JFMT. The DSG is a nice addition to the shop, and it's great that you saved it from the scrapper.
Cheers . 👍
DSG...What a beauty. Look forward to that refurb. Enjoyed! Thanks Max.
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That's "Keith-lee" not "key-lee" Great to see an old DSG in good hands. I'll be following her progress. Greetings from West Yorkshire. (Keighley)
Beat me to it. Further greetings from West Yorkshire, this time Huddersfield. So many fantastic machine tools manufacturers from around this area.
Thanks . Proper British Fillet Beef , No snails & garlic bread !!! 👍
Good to have you back. It's usually pronounced 'Keith -lee' BTW.
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David would be happy!
I am sure ! No one seems to know where he has gone , missing his videos . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop yeah me too. I think he has simply retired. I know he still reads his comments as he liked one of curtis his comments not so long ago.
@@swanvalleymachineshop He´s retired and living in Thailand with his family. To lose his shop has hurt him badly.
@@mftmachining Thanks . I thought he may have gone back there . 👍
Great save and progress Max. That DS&G is a beautiful full figured girl.
Thanks , just a bit more added to the list ! 👍
Great work and good tips sorting that gibb out Max. The old DSG might have been lucky not spending its working life in a repetition production shop. Let's hope there's not too much wear in the usual places. Cheers Tony
Fingers crossed ! 👍
I’m new to your channel, I’ve watched a dozen or so of your videos so far, and like your no nonsense approach. Love the old DS&G. I don’t know if it’s been suggested, but the damage may have been from clattering with materials from an overhead crane, as it was in a railway workshop. I worked in a shop with a big overhead crane, previously used for vessel building and saw a lot of damage from careless use.
Thanks . I will be going into it in the new year . 👍
Great job Max
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Gday Max, I’ve always wanted to see how the gibs are shimmed, there’s really not a lot to do on the JFMT now by the looks, the DSG is absolutely gorgeous, I’d be surprised if there’s much wear at all considering the condition of the bits like half nuts and gears, you done see machines built like that now, cheers
Cheers Matty . It's a solid bit of gear for it's size . 👍
Great video. I have never seen a DSG like that before. I use a type 21, and 17 frequently they are fine machines
Thanks . The DSG is a 1930's model 4BN that is getting a full restoration . 👍
Awesome way to go Max 👍👍👍👍 looking forward to the videos 💪💪💪💪💪💪 Aussie Machine Shop
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G'day Max.. lost of work with the gib assembly, which works for the moment.
The Dean Smith looks the part, & being part of the Old Midland Railway Workshops is a Plus for History. A few mates from way back did their Apprenticeships on the Trains as well as in the Shops.
Looking forward to the Restoration in the near future. I can see a lot of our English RUclips friends helping with lots of notes & Information.
Great video, Thanks
Cheers Ted . 👍
Steel shipping bands can be used as shim stock in a pinch, and also can be thinned on a surface grinder (the ultimate in desperation) The DSG is a good looking war horse.
Thanks . I have a stash of banding , but it was too thick . My grinder , a Jung HF50 is not up & running yet & i don't think it has the req'd travel . It's a bloody long gib ! 👍
It looks as if the machine has never been worked hard, it seems to still have a lot of life in it, of course it is from the 30's or 40's and that means it was produced and built like a tank, it will be a welcomed addition to your shop.
I can only say that the Horizonal Boring Machine is what I am growing old waiting for you to work your magic on, even though the Boring Mill has defiantly been worked hard and put away wet as they say. see you and thanks for showing us all these things from the land down under, you are having winter and we in the western USA are having a hot summer.
Thanks . The Boring mill is high on my list . I will be doing it at the same time as the DSG . Cheers . 👍
Hi Max, my Mum in Perth and Brothers are complaining about the cold.
My DSG 13x42 was built in 1954, I got the date verified by a DSG agent in North Freo, back in 1995, He sent the serial no to DSG UK and they had records of the lathe.
Imported by Gilbert and Lodge and used by the PWD in Perth.
I was only 2 years old when she was unloaded from the ship in Freo wharf!!!
She had a rear mounted 5 HP Crompton Parkinson motor, UK made.
Had a Matrix clutch driving through the gearbox and then through 5 B section link belts, Brammer belts.
One pulley had built in eccentrics to loosen or tension belts, pretty clever.
I think the belts were designed for better finish and good shock absorption for interrupted cuts.
Of course the feed gears were mounted on the spindle.
Your change gearbox for feed shaft and leadsrew looks the same, chain driven internals.
That beast will remove metal at ease.
Just to clarify the chain in the feed gearbox is attached to the knob which moves the selector in the gearbox.
I know the internals very well after my 4 year old Daughter had played with the lathe while shutdown and engaged the half nuts, next morning started the lathe motor and engaged the clutch, horrible noise, the carriage hit against the support for feed and leadscrew casting.
Stripped 2 gears, one of them was internally splined, hardened and profile ground, had them remade by professional machine shop in Myaree.
He was critical of the DSG design, crossfeed to short, allowing rocking, they did this to accommodate the power drilling attachment to clamp on the dovetails.
Handy attachment with 4 MT taper.
@@willemvantsant5105 Ouch ! Also the tracer attachment mounts there as well . That drill attachment looks a good thing , there is a picture of it in the manual i have . 👍
I would love to be able to track down the info on my one , have the serial number but it may be too old . 👍
Give DSG a call, they might may have records back that far.
I have some original manual pages for that machine, but not anything you don't have in the reprint copy.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was lineshaft powered in its early life, I believe that generation of machines date from the late 1920's to 1949 / early 1950's when the new models were launched, but finding any definitive information is difficult.
@@dutchgray86 Thanks . I just looked them up for the contact email . 👍
Thank you max we'll click you got quite a project lined up there i'm a little jealous take care my friend good day
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Superb video Max, I need to do similar with my mill gibs so this is a great reference. The DSG really doesn't look like it's done much work, hopefully the bed will be similar when you check it. I used to work a couple of these old girls many years ago, they really are bullet proof and ooze quality. Keighley is pronounced 'Keithley', and was central to the industrial belt in the north of England between the cotton mills in the west, and steel/shipbuilding in the north east..... there's today's useless bit of info lol.
Cheers Jon . Not up with all the English pronunciations ! I have noticed a bit of different early terminology in the DSG handbook as well ! 👍
Enjoy the cold Max I'm sweating while watching this in my garage it's 80 deg F at 945 pm here in southeast US. Great video 👍👍
That's 26 C , Perfect weather ! Cheers . 👍
Max it is certainly a beautiful Old Machine. If you are anything like I am you want to keep it as original as possible. Hard to do sometimes but that is why we do it. Great demo on the repair of the Gib. My cross slide Gib has already been shimmed but I will be making a new cross slide nut and screw. When I get to that part of the restoration. I've been chipping away at it for 3 years now but only work on it when I am in the mood. I am looking forward to your next video. As always thanks for bringing us along. Too bad we can't meet in the middle on the weather. It got up to 113 Faren height here this week.
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Nice score on the DS&G lathe. Hopefully there are no hidden issues that will prevent it from making chips in the future.
Fingers crossed Tom ! What ever drama we find , i will sort it . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop You are going to need a bigger shop soon. 😀
The jfmt has been really neat but that new/old girl is a beauty! I could park my truck in that coolant pan.
Yes , it takes up quite a bit of real estate ! 👍
👍👍😎👍👍 - another huge step forward on the JFMT - 👍👍😎👍👍 Its suppose to be 46C here to day. I'd gladly trade some hot for some cold 😱
46 even melts us over here ! Mid to high 20's is great . 👍
Nice work on the gib Max, pretty interesting fault analysis reminds me I haven't checked mine for some time. Anyhow it is nice to see a bit of coolness somewhere else in the world. So stay warm and cheers to you!
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Love that old lathe, am looking forward to the restoration.
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Wow that's an old thermometer.. i inherited one from my grandmother that looks the same, it was handed out by Dorrigo General store back in the 40s or 50s and it has the shops phone number on it and it's only 3 digits
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Thank Maxy mollydooker, classic old Lathe mate shes a Gem from the Age when lathes were lathes 😀
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Hi Max, Midland Workshops opened 1904 and closed 1994.
Would speculate she was lineshaft fed and electric motor added at a later date.
Is the motor 50 Hz or 40 Hz, in the old days Perth ran on 40 Hz, maybe another possible reason she came without motor.
If 40Hz will run happily on 50 Hz, more iron.
I am guessing late twenties to early thirties for her age.
Mine ran on Timken roller bearings up to 1800 RPM, barely hear it running.
I occasionally rode a steam train to Mt Lawley Tech from Freo at the start of my Apprenticeship, memories.
The motor was made here . I will check the Hz . It has had a test run when the wiring was checked by the previous owner . What worries me is if it was run with no spindle pre lube or inspection after sitting outside for so long .
Bit of a worry with Babbit bearings I assume, if Bronze a little more tolerant without lube.
Mine had an internal piston oil pump driven off a cam on the input shaft passing oil through a magnetic strainer to the spindle bearings and other critical areas plus sight glass drip indicator.
Is yours splash lubricated?
@@willemvantsant5105 Electric pump for the headstock lube . They topped up the oil tank & had the headstock lid off to check the oil flow . I will still have to pull the caps off for inspection .
Yep, recall now seeing the copper oil tubes, wonder if the electric oil pump was a much later addition, certainly well ahead of its time.
Seen it on a nineties Colchester Lathe, would not run up, failed oil pump, pressure switch not giving permissive to start.
Max.
We pronounce it Kieth
"Kieth lee"
So you will be able to find the place when you come over to see us.
Looking forward to the DS&G updates.
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Oh that DSG! What a gem, Max. Does it have form relieving hardware amongst the bits and pieces? Would make it so useful for making your own form tools. Can't wait to see it running.
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Great sort out on the gib Max. The DSG is a lovely old machine, I suspect from very late 20's to mid 30's. A nice Yorkshire machine from Keightly. (pronounced Keith-ly). You will make a nice job of it I'm sure Max and for heavy turning it will do you reet proud as they would say in Yorkshire!
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Definitely on the squiffy Max, great diagnosis on the errant gib strip.
DSG looks like it was intended, or was in the design for lay shaft, as you say, motor bracket looks shop made, possibly motor was floor mounted?
Very nice lathe.
New shop looking good 👍.
Thanks for sharing
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Max- I have used Loctite (Henkel) to glue the shims to the gib strip. Just clamp them overnight, and let the Loctite set. A little heat will remove the shims easily if needed. I have done this a few times and it makes it less fussing around when installing everything. Also, do not overlook steel banding material used on pallet shipments for a source of shim material. I have seen from .015" to .023" banding. You can even surface grind it to fit. ---Doozer
Thanks . I have some steel banding i have been saving for such purposes , but it was too thick . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop I don't remember if you have a surface grinder functioning, but remember you can always grind sections of the shim, and move it over on the magnet. No need for a long capacity grinder for just a silly shim. Also the DSG is wayyyy coool. I have a Colchester 17" round head lathe, and the engineering on it is a bit sketchy. Probably more of a general use machine than a toolroom machine. Interesting to see the design of the DSG as you take put it back together. I really love these detailed machine videos that you do. I have many machines in my shop that I am restoring. Man if we were neighbors, we would be at each other's shops all the time. Darn other side of the planet ! --Doozer in NC USA.
@@kooldoozer My grinder is a German made Jung HF50 , but i still have work to do on the machine before it gets powered up . Lol , yes we probably would be knocking back a couple of coldies on occasion !
a great old toy to get working. Looks like a work horse. It will do a fine job for you.
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good video max
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I really enjoy your videos Max - your passion is inspiring and I always learn something from you, even when it's not what I was looking for (beginner hobby machinist) I'm in Bunbury and we are feeling the cold lately as well. The Northern hemisphere mob must be laughing at our idea of cold :
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Solid old lathe you got there. congratulations looking forward to her restoration
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Good technique
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G'day Max I see that the DSG was keeping good company at its previous location as I m sure that its a Massey Power Hammer lurking in the background. My brother in Upper Swan picked an old flat bed Macson recently in an auction and he was told it too had come from the Midland Rail Workshops. Cheers Hugh
Not sure on the power hammer make . Your Brother must be just up the road ! 👍
Hi max that’s a nice project you have in front of you looking forward to seeing it running
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The shops looking really full now Max compared to when I saw it last. Might be paying you another visit soon. Ill catch up on the email. As always another great video.
Cheers
Trevor K
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Ha ha! You made getting that leadscrew back together easy. Have a very neglected manual lathe at work with similar issues and it took me 15 mins to find the hole 😅.
That's a nice old unit. Hope the spindle bearings are in as good as condition as the rest of her 🥰. I'm sure all them aesthetic issues will be a piece of cake for you 👍😁👍.
Cheers!
Finding the hole is always the easy part !!! 👍
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G'Day Max, We got the heat wave here today...on this side of the rock. That should be a huge improvement with that gib sorted...
Now, any lathe that has my name on it must be top of the line...Lol. That thing is built like a precision battle ship, should be a rewarding project !
ATB....Cheers.....Dean
Thanks Dean . It weighs more than the 530 x 2000 JFMT & is a smaller machine ! A solid bit of gear . 👍
6 C here in Wisconsin is called T-shirt weather.
Freeze the balls of a brass monkey , lucky it's hopefully only for a few days ! 👍
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Good show !!
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Bloody hell Max, that DS&G is a huge project, good luck when you start it. Not wanting to teach granny to suck eggs, did you check the inside of the bed for a date? some manufacturers cast the date in the bed. As an aside I am currently working about 30 miles from where this bad boy was made, small world eh?. ( Keith Rucker might be able to shed some light on the model and motor conondrum, he has a huge library of vintage machinery handbooks and manuals). Regards, Mal.
I will email DSG & see if i get a reply first ! 👍
Very cool old lathe. I love the older Iron beast. They hum like a sewing machine too. It’s interesting too the comment you made about “we don’t make anything here anymore “
We don’t make hardly anything here in the USA either, all our manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas to china and down to Mexico. I can’t help but wonder if it was intentional ya know…
Almost like we were sold out..
but there is a few of us “ok fashioned folks who just like to make stuff !
I love Australia and I love all the good people down under. If i ever left America Australia is the only other place I’d want to be.
Thanks for sharing your experience, enjoyed your video. 👍🏻
Thanks . Big business discovered instead of paying us good wages , they can get the stuff made elsewhere for a bowl of rice a day & make more money & things just spiraled out of control . Cheers . 👍
There’s a air gap under ur crosslide u can see at about 36:55
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@@swanvalleymachineshop no the lower flat has a gap u can see light through it briefly check it with a feeler gauge I’m telling ya
OMG to think I offered to help with this video taping - I don't get out of bed till 9am or +15 Degrees C - luckily I turned off my phone. :)
Lol , that's why the shed is insulated ! 👍
Amigo max como tienes máquina allí en tu taller pero se ve bonito bien alumbrado me contenta todo ese gran logro has progresado mucho Dios te Bendiga 🙏
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Hi max. Dam fine machine is that dsg. It was made not far from me
Thanks . It will be getting a well deserved birthday ! 👍
It’s 23c in Fairbanks Alaska
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nice lathe for old iron price max!
I wonder how many hours your working day has because you have projects for a lifetime?
cheers ben.
I will have more free time to work my through them soon ! 👍
Hi Max, I have the same machine in my workshop 4AN I believe but looks almost identical to yours.... if you want any pic's drop me a message ... the "isolator switch" is an oil filter, it says "turn daily" from memory.
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@@swanvalleymachineshop Wartime Grey ... mine is 1942ish ... it was then the control levers were made shorter and straight, less ornate.
@@darrendean21 Thanks .
love the brass knobs on all the gear change levers, this kind of quality just doesn't exist today, all the modern stuff is poor quality shit these days, and a lot of the time even this is a major understatement of the quality of machines made today.
DSG built a quality machine , even as old as this one . 👍
Now you're getting to the point where you need schedules and listings and a boss to keep you busy. Max Max Max... Mom not watching you? Love the old Queen. In fact it begs the question, why not just make a gib for the first one so you can move on quicker? I know I know there are a lot of good reasons but I am impatient...🤣🤣😉👍
There is a huge amount of time involved making a long gib like that one . I will still get a lot of life from the old gib ! 👍
Did you find a serial number? I have some information on serial numbers. Happy to share!!!
Yes . It looks like 22662 . Model 4BN , 17 1/2 '' swing . Thanks 👍👍👍
Enjoyed If anyone can do what you have going on its you.
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Oh hell Max that's not cold 4C is just a brisk morning! -40? now that's bloody cold..Heh Heh
Worn gibs can and will drive you batty, If I ever encounter a broke one like you have I might just loose it completely! They guys with white coats and butterfly nets will have to haul me off!
It does strike me odd that they left as much as the did behind the slot on the fat end. What is that an inch (25mm) ? That gib almost seems too long to begin with. Nevertheless, you can only mess with something for so long. If it works as it should I say run it! If complete rebuild is in the cards later, you can plan ahead some. Anyway progress is being made.
A DSG eh? Even here in the US a DSG well regarded to those in the know. I am half Limey so I really like 'em. Cheers
Thanks . Yes , the gib looked about 3/4'' too long . Not cutting it though ( yet ! ) , been caught out before !!! Bugger me , i am glad we don't get those temps ! Hey , i have the parts to build a diamond lap for scraper blades now . Cheers 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop Great news Max, be sure and share diamond lap with us, I know a few of us will be interested in what you come up with. Cheers
@@warrenjones744 No worries .
There are two DSG's less than 5 km from my home. Sadly, they have been used in a foundry, so they will be pretty worn and probably beyond economical rebuild.
Yours is a different story. Enjoy!
Even a completely knackered Type 17 or 21 , i would take on . They are worth it . 👍
Fan fuckin tastic Max, nice to see your keeping cool 😂 shops looking bloody beauty mate, can't beat a good lube up lol,hope you're keeping well
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0:47 “Northern hemisphere “. Whoa, watch your words Max. That is only valid for that part of the world that considers itself to be the whole world. The rest of the northern hemisphere (“what rest?”, “shut up”) is metric or gradually turning to metric, yes, the UK is the latter. And strictly speaking you are using a non-standard as well, as the official standard for temperature is Kelvin. But hey, there is some wiggle room. Love your vids.
Wish you well from the NL
That's right , there are some dodgy places up there ! Cheers . 👍
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Well done saving that lathe from the scrap yard, would have been a major crime to have scraped it.
It would have been ! 👍
Barry gibb was a croock?
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Wow...... the web address turned blue when iI pressed the comment button! Maybe I'm not an idiot after all?
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Sound is terrible.
I miss words.
Difficult to understand, follow.
Sound seems ok on my end . Internet strength can effect things i think .
Always a pleasure seeing what you are up to. Your practical explanations and repairs are easy for me to follow along with. Makes the learning quick. Thanks for your time and skills as well as your sense of humor.
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Mate your stuff is bloody superb always top shelf engaging - there use to be a pommie tuber who loved DSG lathes - he use to do extremely large annular type boring with tools he use to make up himself - he went off line which was a pity after his business went arse up -
listen mate are you interested in an extremely large tapping head with all attachments - it come out of a place in Bendigo that use to make 100mm howitzers of all things - got all the bits - yours free if the shipping is no more than a $100 - Ive had a lot of enjoyment out of your channel ands was about to scrap it but thought of your DSG lathe with huge tailstock.
Hey thanks . That would be David Wilks , had a cracking channel . Not sure what happened to him . Email me , theswanvalleymachineshop@gmail.com i am interested in the tapping head . Cheers . 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop No worries ill take some photos and send it to you.
@@rupert5390 Thanks .