Back in the 60’s, when I ran a horizontal boring mill, I loved to cross the isle and watch the shaper work. Thanks for your content. Brings back fond memories of the past.
I don't care if people say shapers are obsolete, they're elegantly designed graceful machine and just soothing to watch operate. Plus the finish looks awesome compared to all the circular swirl marks from an end mill. Love the content ❤️👍🏻👍🏻
@MaxGrant Max, I was watching Abom (Adom Booth) on his channel when he got his shaper, and he was having the same taper problem. He was able to rectify the condition by taking out the backlash in the down feed axis prior to locking it down. He found that when he used the auto downfeed the backlash was causing the tool to dig in more than what the auto feed was doing. So when setting his tool height on the down feed axis he would go down beyond where he wanted it to be, then back it back up to where he wanted it thus eliminating the down feed backlash, then setting the locking screw tight, eliminated the unwanted random down feed when using the auto down feed. Hope this helps. Love your vids, I learn a lot from you. Cheers mate! Well now I feel stupid. I wrote this out prior to watching the whole vid, OI! Anyways love your work Max, hope you have a good holiday season! Greetings from Phoenix, Arizona!
Wish I lived closer to you, I've got a pair of shaper made hold downs approx 14 inches long given to me when I was an apprentice that I could pass along to you. Just the ticket for this project Max. I'll check Fedex out of curiosity, I'm retired now and they're just sitting in my tool box. Really enjoy your channel and stories. mjm
Cheers . Postage rates are through the roof nowdays . Back when we were close to dollar for dollar with USA several years back , i picked up that old Kurt vice & had it sent over . Postage was no problem 10 years ago . 👍
I still remember watching some slow-motion close-ups of shaper machining we saw as apprentices 50 years ago. The plastic deformation around the cutting edge was clearly visible - great learning aid!
You can never fail to attract viewers with a shaper video. I have a small South Bend 7".. as I was watching the video i noticed that the clapper raised the cutting tool just before it got to the work piece. If have time in a future shaper video, could you spend time showing how the lifting mechanism works?. KOKO!
Awesome results Max. It’s like you know what you’re doing 😮😂. Such a pleasure watching your work. I learn so much. 2023 was super…. 2024 is going to be even better. Take care of yourself. Merry Christmas 🎄. Cheers mate 👍👍😎👍👍
The slow motion capture are fun to watch as action, shaper in motion. The review of tool shape, tool type was on target for my needs as to add to tool job type in my shop *ahead as real projects in near future.. Thank you Max. I hope the holiday finds cheer and family as gathered about. M.
That was a dead punt on that rough cut. I love the way you can run the shaper on auto and go and do "something else". And that "something else" consists of sitting a chair watching it. Great stuff and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thanks for doing the project on the shaper. I quit using my Rode mic because it seems to want to fight the GoPro's external mic and creates some weird background noise. I am using an older GoPro so it does not have any settings that let you adjust that issue.
You would think this day & age , they would make reliable electronic stuff . A bit like computers at work , when they run well the IT dept stuff around with them just to justify their own existence ! 👍
Max, Great job. I found on my shaper, that if I keep the stroke overhang to a minimum at the rear, the ram won't be quite up to speed when the tool hits the cut. It makes life a little easier for carbide....Dave
Wow so much, thanks for explaining how the Clapper system works, and yes at one stage of the video I felt 'sea sick' ! ..... and an up coming video of Bloopers please ? now that You have exposed that they do happen - even to the Best. When You were Handfeeding , may I suggest music from the movie ' Dirty Dancing ' -
Another awesome video young max. Keep up the great work. Love to be fly on the wall watching you work. Even better working beside you just soaking up the wealth of knowledge you have. Have a awesome Christmas and safe New Years. From kiwi land
Good one Max, Perfect job for the shaper.. No auto down feed on my little shaper, but I have found keeping the gib very snug on the down feed makes a huge difference. Merry Christmas to you and family... I'm guessing Santa changes to Bermuda shorts for the Aussie fly-over 😎😎
Max, new sub from my new "Its really Me channel" It has been said that anything can be made on a shaper except money. A handy and interesting machine tool anyway, great video!
Hey , Cheers Don . Sub'd as well ! Looks like i have a few of your video's to catch up on now . Bloody hot here , first day in ages the wind has settled down . Have a great Christmas . 👍👍👍
G'day Max. The shaper might have a few problems, but the operator seems to be right on the Ball. 😅 There appears to be lots of chips coming off with ease whether a light or slightly heavier cut I was waiting for the part to shoot forward when held by 5mm. 😂😂 The slide turned out really well, & with it working with the adjuster on it . It's amazing how much different tooling you need to accomplish different projects. Max you have done really well, Overall a Great Tutorial Video
G'day Max, happy days mate, loving the shaper work on the "Tractor" parts I didn't even try the tongue twister because I say Cunt all the time 😂 Happy holidays mate, and lots of love to you and yours
Amazing that that piece of over engineering was to allow the seat to be adjusted for and aft. Good chance it was going to get blown to smitherines on its first outing. There is enough steel there to build a car (especially a Chinese one) these days. It turned out beautifully. Jeff.
When you _have to cut deeper than_ the vise jaws, what are your *thoughts on mounting the* work between sacrificial pieces of aluminum and then keep going with the cut? _You save the vise and don't_ have to re-set up the part. I seen another youtube *do that but he wasn't* using a shaper either.
One of the best shaper videos i've seen Max cheers, a nice part done. Im only DIYer so times not an issue for me. But what was you total time on that part? If your happy to share ofcourse. Those more modern shapers are interesting.
I did not keep any track of time as when filming it multiplies the time quite a lot . I quoted the job to be done in the milling machine & that would have taken a fraction of the time the shaper took , but i thought it would make good shaper content ! Cheers 👍
I don't know if this has been brought up below but on the edge "plunge" cuts could you have used a sacrificial material in between the project and the jaws.
Image stabilization is ironically causing your phones wiggle probably. It's just trying to sync with the moving ram as if it was the stable thing and the world is in motion. Which it is of course but not from our perspective...
Hi Max, wonder if a spring loaded tool holder will prevent the tool being pulled into the work caused by the backlash. Rustinox uses one on his shaper. As you are acutely aware its virtually impossible to have to have zero backlash A neutral rake would work but adds load to the machine which is also undesirable. I think you have found the flaw in shaper design. Adam has the same problem
When you were on about the machine being in Spanish or Brazilian in the first video the GPM on the dial could be either Giro's (turns) or Golpes(hits) per minute, I am English but lived here in Spain for over 30 years and nothing else coms to mind re GPM. If you need anything translated to Spanish let me know, Google translate does not too bad but where it lack very much in context and sometimes the translation is stupid and nothing to do with things. This time the flip up was early, I'm wondering if it has to do with the stroke, no doubt I'll find out at the end how it works, very interesting stuff.
Carbide inserts aren't sharp edged. Learned from a machinist to diamond grind to a razor edge & they work better than high speed, even in deep cuts. He's taught me a great deal over the years & I'm 79 now.
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Back in the 60’s, when I ran a horizontal boring mill, I loved to cross the isle and watch the shaper work. Thanks for your content. Brings back fond memories of the past.
No worries . I may have some shaper work coming up . Cheers 👍
I don't care if people say shapers are obsolete, they're elegantly designed graceful machine and just soothing to watch operate. Plus the finish looks awesome compared to all the circular swirl marks from an end mill.
Love the content ❤️👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Great job mate
Cheers Matty . 👍
Enjoyed watching your shaper Max. Thanks for explaining how it works.....Tony
Cheers Tony . 👍
I'm sure you will fix the little problems on this machine. After that, you will have a gem :)
I think it will be . Hey , have a great Chrissy there Rusty . 👍
@MaxGrant Max, I was watching Abom (Adom Booth) on his channel when he got his shaper, and he was having the same taper problem. He was able to rectify the condition by taking out the backlash in the down feed axis prior to locking it down. He found that when he used the auto downfeed the backlash was causing the tool to dig in more than what the auto feed was doing. So when setting his tool height on the down feed axis he would go down beyond where he wanted it to be, then back it back up to where he wanted it thus eliminating the down feed backlash, then setting the locking screw tight, eliminated the unwanted random down feed when using the auto down feed. Hope this helps. Love your vids, I learn a lot from you. Cheers mate! Well now I feel stupid. I wrote this out prior to watching the whole vid, OI! Anyways love your work Max, hope you have a good holiday season! Greetings from Phoenix, Arizona!
No worries , Cheers 👍
Wish I lived closer to you, I've got a pair of shaper made hold downs approx 14 inches long given to me when I was an apprentice that I could pass along to you. Just the ticket for this project Max. I'll check Fedex out of curiosity, I'm retired now and they're just sitting in my tool box. Really enjoy your channel and stories. mjm
Cheers . Postage rates are through the roof nowdays . Back when we were close to dollar for dollar with USA several years back , i picked up that old Kurt vice & had it sent over . Postage was no problem 10 years ago . 👍
Very nicely done. . Looks fantastic. The "tractor" museum will be very happy. Thanks Max.
Cheers 👍
very goos job friend Max Merry Christmas
Thanks . Have a good one as well . 🍺🍺🍺
so cool to see the Zocca 500 being used in anger :-) seems to be working nicely too!
Lol , it's first real job ! 👍
I still remember watching some slow-motion close-ups of shaper machining we saw as apprentices 50 years ago. The plastic deformation around the cutting edge was clearly visible - great learning aid!
Thanks . 👍
You can never fail to attract viewers with a shaper video. I have a small South Bend 7".. as I was watching the video i noticed that the clapper raised the cutting tool just before it got to the work piece. If have time in a future shaper video, could you spend time showing how the lifting mechanism works?. KOKO!
I have to learn to watch the whole video before commenting.
Lol . 👍👍👍
Awesome results Max. It’s like you know what you’re doing 😮😂. Such a pleasure watching your work. I learn so much. 2023 was super…. 2024 is going to be even better. Take care of yourself. Merry Christmas 🎄. Cheers mate 👍👍😎👍👍
nice job and lots of good info max !
thanks for sharing.
cheers ben.
No worries , Cheers 👍
Great video max, keep'um coming
Thanks 👍
Good job as always max you should put your stamp on it
Cheers 🍺🍺🍺
The slow motion capture are fun to watch as action, shaper in motion. The review of tool shape, tool type was on target for my needs as to add to tool job type in my shop *ahead as real projects in near future.. Thank you Max. I hope the holiday finds cheer and family as gathered about. M.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for all the extra details, Max. Shapers are interesting! 👍
No worries 👍
Gidday Max, greetings from steamy Brisvegas. All the best for Christmas and the New Year.
Cheers Graham . At least we do not have the Queensland humidity ! Have a good one . 🍺🍺🍺
That was a dead punt on that rough cut.
I love the way you can run the shaper on auto and go and do "something else".
And that "something else" consists of sitting a chair watching it.
Great stuff and Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Cheers 👍
Same as using GPS to drive a tractor, you still have to be there to turn it all around at the ends.
Nice to see a shaper being used for more complex operations. Cheers from Tallahassee!
Thanks . Yes , you only normally see them doing test cuts or basic flat surfaces . 👍
Thanks for doing the project on the shaper. I quit using my Rode mic because it seems to want to fight the GoPro's external mic and creates some weird background noise. I am using an older GoPro so it does not have any settings that let you adjust that issue.
You would think this day & age , they would make reliable electronic stuff . A bit like computers at work , when they run well the IT dept stuff around with them just to justify their own existence ! 👍
Max, Great job. I found on my shaper, that if I keep the stroke overhang to a minimum at the rear, the ram won't be quite up to speed when the tool hits the cut. It makes life a little easier for carbide....Dave
Thanks Dave , a great bit of info . I will keep in mind . 👍
Makes sense, good info David !
Thanks Max, enjoying the shaper content and you getting it dialled in, hopefully i can pick up some tips for my little Elliott machine 🤞
No worries 👍
Good deal Max you all have a Merry Christmas
Thanks , have a good one as well . 👍
Wow so much, thanks for explaining how the Clapper system works, and yes at one stage of the video I felt 'sea sick' ! ..... and an up coming video of Bloopers please ? now that You have exposed that they do happen - even to the Best.
When You were Handfeeding , may I suggest music from the movie ' Dirty Dancing ' -
Hey , they don't play that song on 100.1 ! 🍺🍺🍺
Cracking job Max, and some great footage to boot!!!👍 Merry Christmas to you and your family mate, and best wishes for 24 from Scotland 🏴
Cheers Jon . Have a good one as well . 🍺🍺🍺
Hi Max, That is a great machine, I don't think I have seen a shaper with so many functions.
Thanks 👍
Always pleasant watching you. Very well done!
Thanks 👍
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Loved the big curly shaper chip beauty shots!
Please keep sharing your knowledge with us.
Dave
No worries . Thanks & have a good one 👍
Thanks for sharing Max!😅
No worries 👍
Another awesome video young max.
Keep up the great work.
Love to be fly on the wall watching you work. Even better working beside you just soaking up the wealth of knowledge you have.
Have a awesome Christmas and safe New Years.
From kiwi land
Thanks , have a good one as well . 👍
Good one Max, Perfect job for the shaper.. No auto down feed on my little shaper, but I have found keeping the gib very snug on the down feed makes a huge difference.
Merry Christmas to you and family...
I'm guessing Santa changes to Bermuda shorts for the Aussie fly-over 😎😎
It's way down on my project list, but a CNC conversion for my benchtop Atlas shaper will hopefully be completed before I die 😀
Cheers Dean . Santa would get blown away by the strong Easterly winds at the moment ! 👍
It surprises me that the shaper works so well , given that it always creates an interrupted cut.
The forces on contact must be huge!
Yes , there some forces at work inside ! 👍
Yes but the sheir and sharpness the metal can not resist. You will not find a finer cut. It is just s l o w .
Max, new sub from my new "Its really Me channel" It has been said that anything can be made on a shaper except money. A handy and interesting machine tool anyway, great video!
Hey , Cheers Don . Sub'd as well ! Looks like i have a few of your video's to catch up on now . Bloody hot here , first day in ages the wind has settled down . Have a great Christmas . 👍👍👍
I have tried brazed tooling in my small shaper that I have in my home hobby shop and have been pleased but I am mostly a HSS guy for all my machines.
Thanks . HSS is a good allrounder . 👍
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Thanks 👍
G'day Max. The shaper might have a few problems, but the operator seems to be right on the Ball. 😅
There appears to be lots of chips coming off with ease whether a light or slightly heavier cut
I was waiting for the part to shoot forward when held by 5mm. 😂😂
The slide turned out really well, & with it working with the adjuster on it .
It's amazing how much different tooling you need to accomplish different projects.
Max you have done really well, Overall a Great Tutorial Video
Thanks Ted . 👍
Always remember the backlash - especially when getting home late!!! (machinists motto!)
Lol , been there done that ! 👍
G'day Max, happy days mate, loving the shaper work on the "Tractor" parts
I didn't even try the tongue twister because I say Cunt all the time 😂
Happy holidays mate, and lots of love to you and yours
Lol , i have to keep holding back from saying it on yt ! Cheers 👍👍👍
Amazing that that piece of over engineering was to allow the seat to be adjusted for and aft. Good chance it was going to get blown to smitherines on its first outing. There is enough steel there to build a car (especially a Chinese one) these days. It turned out beautifully. Jeff.
Cheers . Might have been some of the only comforts the Lads got was an adjustable seat ! 👍
Great video Max. How you have a Merry Christmas
Thanks Tod . Have a good one as well . 👍
When you _have to cut deeper than_ the vise jaws, what are your *thoughts on mounting the* work between sacrificial pieces of aluminum and then keep going with the cut? _You save the vise and don't_ have to re-set up the part. I seen another youtube *do that but he wasn't* using a shaper either.
Sounds like a good alternative if you have the right size scrap ally laying around . Cheers 👍
Beautiful camera work, Max. Listening to that shaper- is it running a 2-stroke or 4-stroke petrol engine?
Lol , Clunking 4 stroke all the way , not the sweet hum of a Detroit ! 👍
Hi mate that makes my little shaper look a bit primitive ha-ha 😂
Cheers 👍
Uncle Trevor 🎉
One of the best shaper videos i've seen Max cheers, a nice part done. Im only DIYer so times not an issue for me. But what was you total time on that part? If your happy to share ofcourse. Those more modern shapers are interesting.
I did not keep any track of time as when filming it multiplies the time quite a lot . I quoted the job to be done in the milling machine & that would have taken a fraction of the time the shaper took , but i thought it would make good shaper content ! Cheers 👍
my stroke adjuster slips under a big cut sometimes. i dont see a cure on my design. Tighter, Captain!
Not sure how my one locks yet , some investigation required ! Cheers 👍
Thx for the vid.
No worries . 👍
I don't know if this has been brought up below but on the edge "plunge" cuts could you have used a sacrificial material in between the project and the jaws.
I have done that before on a milling machine but not a shaper . Cheers 👍
Image stabilization is ironically causing your phones wiggle probably. It's just trying to sync with the moving ram as if it was the stable thing and the world is in motion. Which it is of course but not from our perspective...
Thanks . I will look at the settings . 👍
Hi Max, wonder if a spring loaded tool holder will prevent the tool being pulled into the work caused by the backlash.
Rustinox uses one on his shaper.
As you are acutely aware its virtually impossible to have to have zero backlash
A neutral rake would work but adds load to the machine which is also undesirable.
I think you have found the flaw in shaper design.
Adam has the same problem
I'll just have to remember to wind back the lash . 👍
When you were on about the machine being in Spanish or Brazilian in the first video the GPM on the dial could be either Giro's (turns) or Golpes(hits) per minute, I am English but lived here in Spain for over 30 years and nothing else coms to mind re GPM. If you need anything translated to Spanish let me know, Google translate does not too bad but where it lack very much in context and sometimes the translation is stupid and nothing to do with things. This time the flip up was early, I'm wondering if it has to do with the stroke, no doubt I'll find out at the end how it works, very interesting stuff.
Google converted it to strokes per minute 👍
Hi
Is there an advantage to a shaper instead of milling such a part?
No advantage , milling would have taken a fraction of the time . But i wanted to use the shaper ! 👍
@@swanvalleymachineshop musing the shaper ok. I muse my Schaublin 102-vm lathe too ^^
I'm not the pheasant plucker ,I'm the pheasant plucker's son ,I'm only plucking pheasants till the pheasant plucker comes ...
Lol , that's it ! 👍
Abc slow tv programme...😁👍👍
Cheers 👍
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Thanks 👍👍👍
Carbide inserts aren't sharp edged. Learned from a machinist to diamond grind to a razor edge & they work better than high speed, even in deep cuts. He's taught me a great deal over the years & I'm 79 now.
Most indexable's are not but the polished ones are nowdays . I can diamond grind them now . Cheers 👍
I thought it was a tractor seat?
Lol , an anti tank gun ( tractor for RUclips 's sake ! ) 👍
There 100% knock off incerts Aliexpress sells them there shite
I agree , i did not get these from the Iscar rep ! 👍
I enjoyed the demostration on your Shaper. Picked up good tips, thanks. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Thanks . 👍