THE PROBLEM WITH SUPERBOY

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  • @THEMANGALOG
    @THEMANGALOG  11 месяцев назад +94

    For those who keep saying it, I know Marv Wolfman isn't dead. I should've wrote George Perez.

    • @malhawkeye6427
      @malhawkeye6427 9 месяцев назад +3

      You had me so scared! He’s my favorite writer, and I thought I didn’t even notice his passing.
      Glad you’re still alive Marv!

  • @muzumaki619
    @muzumaki619 11 месяцев назад +1107

    We need to start calling him Super Dude

    • @selfimprovement5873
      @selfimprovement5873 11 месяцев назад +36

      Hahaha, I would like that unironically 😂

    • @handlebarsmustache
      @handlebarsmustache 11 месяцев назад +22

      Super guy in a shirt

    • @saafirg9081
      @saafirg9081 11 месяцев назад +41

      Yea, they made Conner's character pointless since they aged up Jon and made it obvious that he's going to be the one take up Clark's mantle. I feel like Conner should ditch the Superboy name become his own man similar to Nightwing or Red Hood.

    • @om58499
      @om58499 11 месяцев назад +6

      Their already is a super dude just ask bloo from foster home for imaginary friends

    • @youngdreflaco
      @youngdreflaco 11 месяцев назад +3

      super guy

  • @xanderg.1070
    @xanderg.1070 11 месяцев назад +721

    I feel like if Conner was reintroduced during rebirth and they didn’t aged up Jon, I can see Conner giving the Superboy mantle to him while going by a new codename like Skyrocket

    • @WarlockGamingYT
      @WarlockGamingYT 11 месяцев назад +37

      or Samaritan

    • @saafirg9081
      @saafirg9081 11 месяцев назад +107

      Yea, they made Conner's character pointless since they aged up Jon and made it obvious that he's going to be the one take up Clark's mantle. I feel like Conner should ditch the Superboy name become his own man similar to Nightwing or Red Hood.

    • @xanderg.1070
      @xanderg.1070 11 месяцев назад +58

      @@saafirg9081 I agree, heck I don’t even mind having both Conner and Jon sharing the title of Superboy, cuz I can see that being a thing. But I do think giving a Conner a new codename would help him stand out more.
      Heck it’s one of the reasons why I hate that dc made Tim Drake back as Robin, sharing the mantle with Damian Wayne, instead of him being Red Robin. Especially when you read Tim’s character development from pre flashpoint.
      I mean they could have just given him the name Skyrocket without having to make him trans. But honestly it feels like the writers and editors at dc aren’t as creative as fans are.

    • @MichaelWhitmire-v6j
      @MichaelWhitmire-v6j 11 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@xanderg.1070 he did have a name like yellow jacket before or even the shield guardian but DC made a mistake giving the name Conner to both the 90's superboy with a jacket and then another Connor with a black tee saying that they're the same,when they weren't l.

    • @pickedceasar1216
      @pickedceasar1216 11 месяцев назад +17

      Flamebird would be cool or maybe some name to reference Tim or Batman in homage to how Nightwing got his name

  • @joeparrigen4982
    @joeparrigen4982 11 месяцев назад +514

    I blame the New 52 for this. It got rid of Conner and Bart (Impulse) until rebirth. Which destroyed their character growth and progression.

    • @zemox2534
      @zemox2534 11 месяцев назад +36

      Geoff already did that. Before rebirth their growth got stagnant because Geoff loves retcons and throwing away natural character growth for the sake of his stories. New 52 made things worse

    • @nicholase82
      @nicholase82 11 месяцев назад +7

      Honestly I found that Conner was too obsessed with the fact he was a half clone of Luther. So I didn't mind the New 52 at first since his new powers were cool and very powerful.

    • @mechadeka
      @mechadeka 11 месяцев назад +2

      So what you're saying is we need another continuity reboot.

    • @MichaelWhitmire-v6j
      @MichaelWhitmire-v6j 11 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@nicholase82Originally there was no lex involved but Geoff Johns had to wash away his earlier origin to make way for his black tee persona, they're not the same character.

    • @MichaelWhitmire-v6j
      @MichaelWhitmire-v6j 11 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@nicholase82Originally there was no lex involved but Geoff Johns had to wash away his earlier origin to make way for his black tee persona, they're not the same character.

  • @eddierascalhaskell4954
    @eddierascalhaskell4954 11 месяцев назад +301

    The arrival of the "Super Sons" really displaced already established and developed characters like Conner Kent and Tim Drake.

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 11 месяцев назад +30

      DC Rebirth folded by putting tim bacj in the green and red suit

    • @MirzaAliQasimRaza
      @MirzaAliQasimRaza 10 месяцев назад +6

      True.

    • @gwyngwyn_2416
      @gwyngwyn_2416 10 месяцев назад +29

      yk since technically Conner and Tim are the og supersons they could’ve helped Jon and Damian out it would help all the relationships involved

    • @eddierascalhaskell4954
      @eddierascalhaskell4954 10 месяцев назад +6

      @@gwyngwyn_2416 The "OG" Super Sons are Batman Jr. and Superman Jr.
      Its pre-CRISIS, but they actually had a recurring series of their own.

    • @gwyngwyn_2416
      @gwyngwyn_2416 10 месяцев назад +10

      @@eddierascalhaskell4954 okay true but I still hold my stance that Tim and Kon should’ve worked with the supersons

  • @saafirg9081
    @saafirg9081 11 месяцев назад +234

    Yea, they made Conner's character pointless since they aged up Jon and made it obvious that he's going to be the one take up Clark's mantle. I feel like Conner should ditch the Superboy name become his own man similar to Nightwing or Red Hood.

    • @l0sts0ul89
      @l0sts0ul89 11 месяцев назад +30

      Yeah idk how anyone thinks aging up Jon was good at all

    • @Filip97X
      @Filip97X 11 месяцев назад +10

      They kinda tried to do that by making him act like he used to at the start (which was weird since they still reference all his history of later) and went to space, as the guy said in the video. The problem with that run was, it got no promotion and it came during a period where a lot of DC events came out and well DC promoted all other super books except that one. But the run was kind of fun where Conner teamed up with some space rebels to fight a guy that made hybrid clones for war.

    • @chrispilcher2024
      @chrispilcher2024 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@l0sts0ul89 simple solution is to just make the aged up Jon a clone, and have the real Jon show up,

    • @dustinvance243
      @dustinvance243 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@chrispilcher2024do you seriously want to do the clone saga, but with superman?

    • @chrispilcher2024
      @chrispilcher2024 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@dustinvance243 it wouldn't be as bad since everyone would immediately know who is the original and who is the clone,

  • @supersaiyanshonathan
    @supersaiyanshonathan 11 месяцев назад +175

    Dc seems to have an issue with 90s characters that were the next generation of heroes like connor, tim, bart, cassie, kyle rayner & even wally west. Either replacing them with the past characters like hal & barry or the generation after them

    • @maadtee6281
      @maadtee6281 11 месяцев назад +36

      Curse of being young justice member

    • @diegodreossi1458
      @diegodreossi1458 9 месяцев назад +8

      They have, you are right. These characters should be the mains right now for them make sense.

    • @kingb3746
      @kingb3746 9 месяцев назад

      Sorry but who’s Cassie?

    • @supersaiyanshonathan
      @supersaiyanshonathan 9 месяцев назад +7

      @@kingb3746 wonder girl. Member of young justice & teen titans. Connor's girlfriend

    • @kingb3746
      @kingb3746 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@supersaiyanshonathanright I knew this. Just a question tho. Who would be more fit to be the “new Wonder Woman”, Donna Troy or Wonder Girl??

  • @JOfJaZ
    @JOfJaZ 11 месяцев назад +104

    Personally i enjoyed his T-shirt era. He felt aimless but that being the point. He felt like he was trying to figure out where his turning point was and where to go from there. And then New 52 happened before any of that could come to fruition.

    • @richborn6700
      @richborn6700 11 месяцев назад +5

      For real I liked his ongoing just before Flashpoint happened

    • @JOfJaZ
      @JOfJaZ 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@richborn6700 his short run with the journal was a very good story and had a great Lex moment in general.

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 8 месяцев назад

      I enjoyed him Young Justice before all the time skips.

    • @kaineshigaraki5253
      @kaineshigaraki5253 8 месяцев назад +2

      His T-Shirt Era is my introduction to Connor which is also my favorite era.

    • @TheMamaluigi300
      @TheMamaluigi300 6 месяцев назад

      Is it weird btw that I find that black t-shirt and blue jeans combo to be some absolutely great drip?

  • @DavidSilva-mn4dz
    @DavidSilva-mn4dz 11 месяцев назад +134

    Conner Kent could fill the original Superman place: a champion for the opress in a street level setting. Because he is a depowered version of the current Superman.

    • @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369
      @stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369 10 месяцев назад +17

      Ooh yeah goes with my idea for his powers, he can't use yellow sunlight so no space manipulating flight, not electromagnetic armor, no laser vision, but all the powers kryptonians would have on Earth:
      gravity difference super strength, speed, and jumping, enhanced senses and the like

    • @Grat712
      @Grat712 7 месяцев назад +2

      But conner has all his powers in the comics

  • @YeetSpace
    @YeetSpace 11 месяцев назад +128

    The whiplash of seeing the Daxomite Superman was wild cuz no one ever remembers him

    • @DoubleBoost23
      @DoubleBoost23 11 месяцев назад +4

      There was a Daxamite Superman?? _When?_

    • @aqdrobert
      @aqdrobert 11 месяцев назад +2

      How did he regenerate? They got the lead out.

    • @YeetSpace
      @YeetSpace 11 месяцев назад +17

      @@DoubleBoost23 the Superman wearing the red outfit and the tiny badge symbol instead of the big full chest one. I believe His name is Kon-el

    • @YeetSpace
      @YeetSpace 11 месяцев назад +3

      He's not like a different universe version or anything like that, he's quite literally just the Superman for the daxamites

    • @lilj362
      @lilj362 11 месяцев назад +13

      That was Mon el right? I honestly don't know anymore, superhero comics are convoluted af

  • @PhantoRoyce
    @PhantoRoyce 11 месяцев назад +33

    I was Connor for Halloween and everyone thought I was “cool Superman” 😢. I love him so much I actually had a custom jacket of his made

  • @HELLO_KORO
    @HELLO_KORO 11 месяцев назад +232

    My biggest problem with the Superboy mantle is that there's no legacy connection, Bart Allen becomes kid flash to prove to Wally that the Flash mantle will be his once he grows up,Tim became Robin to calm Bruce after Jason died, but the Superboys have zero connection, they barely interact with each other despite being related. Conner,Jon and Clark never had a story reflecting on how they've all been Superboy compared to the Robins,Flashs,Green Lanterns and Red Arrows who have

    • @joeparrigen4982
      @joeparrigen4982 11 месяцев назад +8

      I noticed that.

    • @ljeans531
      @ljeans531 11 месяцев назад +10

      That's because the concept of Superman is flawed at its core.
      I'm sorry, but people fail to realize the an Idea like Superman must be written in reverse. Most Heroes have problems or limitations to overcome which are obvious for the audience.
      Superman's nature is no have no weakness(-magic and kyptonite)
      So authors must hunt for explanations and convince the audience of his weakness. Mental or otherwise. And only so many problems can exist at once.
      Either a problem he can't punch, one of his weaknesses, or a mental issue that he must face....

    • @GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000
      @GREG_Khar-NÜ-Metalhead2000 11 месяцев назад +1

      Thats stupid,why do u think a good character should have a connection?

    • @minatodroger7890
      @minatodroger7890 11 месяцев назад +2

      So true

    • @jhonandrews2674
      @jhonandrews2674 10 месяцев назад +6

      Yea it’s just like this guy was saying, “Superboy” has never really meant anything

  • @yorhahoudini4531
    @yorhahoudini4531 11 месяцев назад +24

    In summary, the New 52 was a mistake.

  • @jaydog1780
    @jaydog1780 11 месяцев назад +102

    Along with Skyrocket, I’ve seen other great names for Conner that could be used like Supernova, Strength, and Valor

    • @slimer44producciones3
      @slimer44producciones3 11 месяцев назад +27

      Oof, Supernova, I like it

    • @MichaelWhitmire-v6j
      @MichaelWhitmire-v6j 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@slimer44producciones3That was Connor in the 52 aka supernova for real.

    • @thegamingkubedoro
      @thegamingkubedoro 11 месяцев назад +6

      If I'm remembering correctly, Valor is taken, it's a name associated with Mon-El, the Daxomite Superboy.

  • @yu754t
    @yu754t 11 месяцев назад +39

    The same problem with tim drake

  • @IndraTyde
    @IndraTyde 9 месяцев назад +13

    The fact that Conner is still Superboy while the Super Twins are Red Son and Starchild after one story arc is crazy to me. They could've just been the Super Twins for a while. Wally's kids are Surge and Thunderheart now too, they hate YJ characters specifically i fear

    • @scorpionhasashi00
      @scorpionhasashi00 8 месяцев назад

      They’re still the Super Twins, that’s their own superhero names

    • @azrielreyesar8691
      @azrielreyesar8691 6 месяцев назад

      Greta Hayes and Empress would have to agree.

  • @HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle
    @HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle 11 месяцев назад +41

    Comics really should tone down with the multiverse cosmical stuff

  • @TevyaSmolka
    @TevyaSmolka 11 месяцев назад +19

    I really do like Conner Kent superboy he's really awesome and personally for me nothing would've made me happier but to see both Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self fighting side by side as brothers and cousins because that would've been really aweosme and tons of fun to see happen, heck technically speaking we did get to see that happen in webtoon Wayne family adventures with Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self teaching Conner Kent to shave which was adorable and amazing at least in my opinion. My point is in general I really wanted both Conner Kent superboy and Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self teaching each other how to become heroes and fighting side by side and kicking ass and saving the day would be really awesome and badass in my opinion.

  • @ChristopherJohnson-np4dv
    @ChristopherJohnson-np4dv 11 месяцев назад +33

    Crazy idea... one of the greatest tricks of Superman's disguise is no one thinks he even has a secret identity. Kryptonians have real names. Conner has a Kryptonian name and, as they're so fond of saying "It's not an S'.
    I thereby suggest Conner Kent just go by Kon-El as his hero identity; No muss. No fuss. Doesn't need to grow into it. Won't grow out of it.
    If he ever gets back together with Cassie again (likely... Young Justice's AU will only linger in pop consciousness so long and it keeps a damper on all the rabid Supes+Wondy shippers; always a plus in my book) she's already got a public ID and a less strong connection to her affiliated namesake too (demigoddess of pantheon associated with the Amazons who grew up as a normal teen girl, not an Amazon by birth) so they can just be Kon-El and Cassie who wear their respective team jerseys but are otherwise their own people.
    Just my thought.

    • @jonathonx4929
      @jonathonx4929 10 месяцев назад +2

      I think so to it’ll be more mature as well

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 8 месяцев назад +1

      Dc's writing rooms could've cooked if they did this.

  • @CosmicPsychonauts
    @CosmicPsychonauts 10 месяцев назад +21

    7:58 While we're on this topic can we talk about how unoriginal Red Robin is? I've always thought Cardinal would be a better name, since it's another red bird.

    • @KonEl-BlackZero
      @KonEl-BlackZero 5 месяцев назад +3

      When Bendis tried to change his name to Drake. He quickly backpedaled because the man is addicted to twitter and couldn't handle the mild backlash

  • @mominmubeen4524
    @mominmubeen4524 11 месяцев назад +65

    Call Connor Tomorrow Man, I believe there is a comic where he calls himself that

    • @dimapoint
      @dimapoint 11 месяцев назад +29

      His latest mini series is called superboy the man of tomorrow and it's pretty good!

    • @ripzaurus
      @ripzaurus 11 месяцев назад

      Oh I was just brainstorming names to comment something and thought of that one. That's neat.

  • @socialaccount0000
    @socialaccount0000 11 месяцев назад +10

    Damn, what they did to Jon's character is a travesty. You think Connor has it bad? Jon got literally shafted

  • @GoodVolition
    @GoodVolition 7 месяцев назад +4

    Do you remeber when we had fun Damien and Superboy adventures? And then Bendis showed up, ruined him for no reason, then left?

  • @ricky865
    @ricky865 11 месяцев назад +19

    They should give him a new code name akind to his tactile telekinesis after all if Conner desided to really pushes himself to realise his full potential and fully develope his tactile telekinesis to its limits and see what he was truly capable of doing with it he could actually become the Strongest Super-Family Member in DC comics.

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 11 месяцев назад +7

      I think he needs a permanent location and cast more than strength, whenever someone who isn't the mainstream protagonist of the family gets the Gohan treatment, new writers have zero idea how to continue the characters power progress.

    • @pickedceasar1216
      @pickedceasar1216 11 месяцев назад +7

      It was the only thing that annoyed me about the YJ version of Connor as that show was pretty accurate in depicting everyone else

  • @marcelo2169
    @marcelo2169 11 месяцев назад +10

    I read the 90s Superboy, Young Justice, Teen Titan and most Conner Kent related comics until 2016, I have authority to say I don't mind the name Superboy, doesn't mean he is not a man, nor he is inferior to Superman or Jon, I think he made it his own.

  • @waronmachines1689
    @waronmachines1689 10 месяцев назад +7

    Young Justice felt like it really appreciated conner kent

  • @shiggydiggy8308
    @shiggydiggy8308 11 месяцев назад +33

    0:45 you forgot "and got his ass handed to him by Aqua-Man"

  • @bosniankumquat1835
    @bosniankumquat1835 10 месяцев назад +6

    Funny thing is , nobody likes what Bendis did to Jon . Not even DC which is why they use kid Jon instead of adult him for everything else (YA comics , movies , animation , figurines and etc) .

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 8 месяцев назад +3

      Damn that's wild lol. Get Superboy prime back to hit em with another retcon punch and make it a clone saga type deal.

  • @s.owl9
    @s.owl9 11 месяцев назад +7

    Yes, make Jon a traditional sidekick to Clark & Connor the independent Sky Rocket; like a Nightwing & Robin situation. And please hire people capable of & interested in writing children because it’s a less represented trope that people love. Getting to see the children of popular super heroes grow up to be similar yet unique or sidekicks with unique backstories basically invent new types of relationships for the genre is hype.

  • @dannyorange9023
    @dannyorange9023 9 месяцев назад +5

    DC has this problem all tf over the place. Three Batgirls currently, multiple Aquaman and The Flash characters at once... Their whole legacy character title situation is a mess.
    I'd officially call Conner "Metropolis Kid" if I were calling it. It's a bit of a mouthful but he's used the nickname before and it'd give him his OWN identity like Nightwing got when he decided to take on a new character design and codename. Even Aqualad becoming Tempest was great, but they just don't do it anymore! The characters aren't getting new codenames anymore and I think it's because none of these characters are evolving anymore.
    And if I were somehow having my say I'd want an in-universe reboot on Jon Kent as well. The Superboy of the Super Sons was far too good to just throw out like they let Bendis do so disrespectfully.

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 8 месяцев назад +1

      Honestly his super hero name could just be his Krpytonian name if anything.

  • @wrrrryyyy12
    @wrrrryyyy12 11 месяцев назад +11

    thank you for
    making a video on conner
    hes gone through more disrespect than characters like nightwing which is insane considering the disrespect nightwings gotten
    informing people of this so problems that dc is making for conner can be fixed is great hes already got a decent sized fanbase otherwise he wouldnt have gotten his recent miniseries now this fanbase needs to ask dc to fix their mistakes
    and for a potential new name guardian would probably be fitting given kon-els history and the fact that conner considers guardian a mentor figure
    guardian isnt really used anymore anyway

  • @TheRussianComicBookGeek2
    @TheRussianComicBookGeek2 10 месяцев назад +5

    I absolutely HATE what they did to Jhon they ruined that character

    • @TevyaSmolka
      @TevyaSmolka 7 месяцев назад +2

      Same here I hate it too

  • @charko4191
    @charko4191 11 месяцев назад +21

    I had to constantly pause becouse of how lost I got hearing superboy conner Kal-el Kon-el names next to each other

  • @guillermolugo-ortiz6157
    @guillermolugo-ortiz6157 11 месяцев назад +12

    I think they should call Connor Super Nova

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 11 месяцев назад

      Unfortunately, the name is already taken. During "52" Booster Gold took the name "Supernova" as a disguise while he was thought to be dead.

  • @Marx1684
    @Marx1684 10 месяцев назад +3

    I’m going to be feasting on content in here. This is my kind of humor. 🤤

  • @hakksemerci9988
    @hakksemerci9988 11 месяцев назад +9

    Same problem is on wonder girl too

  • @KOFNY
    @KOFNY 11 месяцев назад +5

    Wow you're the first person I know who also has Connor as one of their favourite characters! I was introduced to Superboy for the first time in the Young justice show and then afterwards read the comics version from Geoff Johns in his Teen Titans, Adventure Comics and then Boy of Steel runs. The YJ and comics versions have quite some differences but I love both and he’s one of my favourite characters which I didn't expect at all. Now that the new 52 timeline is over I hope we can get stories with Connor, Cassie and Tim again. One of the best dynamics from the early 2000s DC and I was constantly waiting for his return throughout all of rebirth. This may be a hot take but I also thought the rivalry and feud he had with Superboy Prime was great and very interesting. It showed Prime was really just losing it and going crazy and was so on edge that he caused a war between like 4 superhero groups just to tell Connor he didn't deserve the name Superboy. When he did eventually come back I don't think he was really done that much justice and they did the weird thing where it was the same superboy who went through everything but for some reason, he reverted to looking and acting like the 90s version. I don't even know where he or Cassie are now in the comics since Bendis' mediocre Young Justice run. I honestly liked the design and character of the new 52 Kon-El version and he had some really good dynamics with new 52 Kara and some of the Titans but he was a totally different character and similarly just disappeared when rebirth started. Superman books barely sell themselves so I think it would be sick to have a book like "Superboys" where it's stories of Connor and Jon similar to Super Sons. Either that or give Connor another name that's not horrible like changing Robin to Drake or Signal or Blue Bird.

    • @fruitpunchsamurai4837
      @fruitpunchsamurai4837 10 месяцев назад +3

      You know, if you want more stories with Tim, Conner and Cassie I really think you should read Young Justice (1998)

    • @kermitgotthesickkicks4265
      @kermitgotthesickkicks4265 8 месяцев назад +1

      Just make Conner's hero name Kon-El

  • @AustynSN
    @AustynSN 11 месяцев назад +3

    I think they should have kept Jon a kid and done a team-up series with him as Conner's side-kick ("Superboy Sr and Superman Jr") while Clark was lost in space. Then, when (adult) Clark comes back, introduce a time displaced 5-year old Clark, Cir-El, Chris Kent (with his pre new-52 memories restored and added to his post-rebirth memories), and Ariella Kent. From that point the series is re-titled "The legion of Superboys (and girls!!!)"

  • @eddierascalhaskell4954
    @eddierascalhaskell4954 9 месяцев назад +2

    "Secret Identity" was supposed to be in its own continuity. I would've loved reading the adventures of that version of Superboy.

  • @kallel6588
    @kallel6588 11 месяцев назад +3

    The problem is they don't use him enough.

  • @jerfuhrer2581
    @jerfuhrer2581 10 месяцев назад +4

    Theyve made both my boys Conner and Tim pointless and redundant. To anyone who grewvup in the late 90s/early 2000s, your Robin and Superboy are OUT

  • @maxordman4100
    @maxordman4100 6 месяцев назад +1

    Great job on this video and there’s a lot of great information in here that I didn’t even know about before so thank you for sharing it with us and I will definitely have to look into some of these older Superboy stories. I remember when I was first introduced to Superboy and why Conner Kent and his initial relationship with Cassie as Wondergirl was once really endearing and cute. There was a time when they were one of my favorite DC couples and I’m very thankful that they at least still have a lot of other fans out there who like to make up stories for them because Dc will probably never put them together again. Also it’s truly a treat to see a video promoting Conner’s character! Well done! I will definitely check out more of your videos. As for the name “Sky Rocket? I’m not sure that’s the best superhero name but if you like it then I respect you. Sounds like a little primitive to me but I respect your opinion.

  • @Alliethewitch
    @Alliethewitch 11 месяцев назад +2

    Connor has been my favorite forever. I grew up with him, kind of literally he was my age in young justice and the teen titans run he was in was during my high school years.

  • @docsavage4921
    @docsavage4921 11 месяцев назад +2

    The post Superboy resurrection was unique; regeneration until the Legion of Superheroes time, 1000 years in the future.
    Ended up going back in time to before he died, so technically he was running around at the same time as his own catatonic body. Could have made for interesting stories if they expanded on it, like saving himself when he was vulnerable in the regeneration chamber. Or maybe do one with Time Police calling him a time anomaly who belongs 1000 years in the future, tries to drag him back.
    Never had any of that, it was one and done forgotten.

    • @wrrrryyyy12
      @wrrrryyyy12 11 месяцев назад +1

      pretty sure conner came back while his body was still dead because he saw it and used it to his advantage in blackest night
      and im sure hes no longer a time anomaly because i assume his body was removed when dc rebooted
      he was safe from changes while in gemworld but new52 superboy took his place in universe

  • @Zeromegas
    @Zeromegas 9 месяцев назад +4

    Magg Visagio idea was very stupid. Is pure wagewagon and DC let her change Conner to a Trans girl, they going to give to Conner to Supergirl

  • @matthewlaflamme9019
    @matthewlaflamme9019 10 месяцев назад +3

    It's the same with marvel. I loved Nate Grey and Ben Reilly. They killed them off then brought them back years later. They didn't have a plan, so they were just written off again.

  • @wills4579
    @wills4579 10 месяцев назад

    Awesome video, love to people talk about my favorite superhero. Definitely agree that a name change for Conner would be really beneficial

  • @muhimenrahman6235
    @muhimenrahman6235 8 месяцев назад +3

    if superboy prime was my waiter I would tell him to bring another RETCON to the table...these freakin writers are just f ing up the comic industry...GAY SUPERMAN ROBIN BATMAN..??...ACTIVISTS SUPERMAN..???...

  • @jhonandrews2674
    @jhonandrews2674 10 месяцев назад +5

    Still mad they aged up Jon, SuperSons was so good, and even now at this point Damian should be like 16 already, he’s still only 14 for whatever reason, I guess they just wanted to invert the 3 year gap. Jon is fine as Superman but it was really thrust upon him not earned, with Clark, he made that name for himself, but now the next has to live up to his example, they can’t just take it. And now Kon-El joins the discarded superhero club, he should have been ditched the Superboy title if dc has had no plans to make him Superman as the new 52, they only even referenced future Conner Superman with that supersons/tim drake/Batman from the future/teen titans thing that one time in rebirth, they should just ditch Superboy, it’s not like the name is so popular they have to keep it for him, make him something else, make Kara superwoman, and make othul and ozul (the war world adopted kids) Superboy and girl, respectively

  • @masenguerra7835
    @masenguerra7835 7 месяцев назад +1

    The new superboy mini series from last year is what got me back into comic books. I think it was pretty solid especially that final fight with cyborg superboy and the beam struggle they had.
    At this point though I honestly can’t see Conner being called anything but superboy. Kinda like how Tim drake feels weird when they give him other identities (Red Robin is such a bad name).
    The young justice show also kinda reinforced the idea that Conner is the main superboy. Plus the ending of the recent latest series has Conner being okay with the superboy name but that he should see it as something to hold him back but allow him to go out and do more then just what Clark does.

  • @uc22_swo1p
    @uc22_swo1p 11 месяцев назад +4

    Oke superboy, you can either stay as superboy or become forcefield man.
    What will it be?

  • @elsorzis5692
    @elsorzis5692 11 месяцев назад +1

    The moment I saw the thumbnail I thought it said “he is not ahoy” 😂

  • @mrmadfunny5507
    @mrmadfunny5507 11 месяцев назад +2

    This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!

    • @paul.9828
      @paul.9828 11 месяцев назад

      Agreed. This is a great retrospective on the history of Superboy.

  • @Jammy._.
    @Jammy._. 8 месяцев назад +1

    superboy prime was the best superboy hands down seeing him body all these jackholes was glorious

  • @Wutever917
    @Wutever917 11 месяцев назад +1

    Now we just need to figure out what makes Superman peanut butter so delicious.

  • @Solitaire001
    @Solitaire001 Месяц назад

    One option that might work with Superboy (Connor Kent): Have him travel to the future and become a permanent member of The Legion of Super-Heroes as Superboy. It would get rid of all of the time-travel issues and would give Conner a true home, and a unique place in the Legion, especially since they made Mon-El just another kryptonian. A reason he would choose to travel to the 31st Century is that he feels to be out of place and redundant in the Present (there are dozens of other superheroes), and he's looking for a place where he can fit in and the Legion would be that place. One story could be where Connor finally manages to reconcile his Superman and Luthor sides, combining the best of each within himself (such as the moral compass and compassion of Superman, and the intellect and will to be the best of Luthor).

  • @ayiza8511
    @ayiza8511 11 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly they need to give Conner a new superhero name and a place in the main DC community. And perhaps give him a new look he looks stuck in the 90s. I liked the t-shirt and jeans combo.

  • @richborn6700
    @richborn6700 11 месяцев назад +2

    All these next generation heroes are just adrift in DC with no future after Geoff Johns just HAD to bring back Hal and Barry. 20 years from now Bruce will still be Batman, Peter will be Spider-Man , Clark will be Superman, and Franklin and Valeria will still be children. Dick was lucky he got to grow into his 20s. Its annoying we only ever see the teen characters as adults in alternate universes where they're evil or the apocalypse happened

  • @rotiehlife1668
    @rotiehlife1668 7 месяцев назад +1

    I love that technically Super-boy is lex and Superman son, I guess lex used the pink kryptonite.

    • @Solitaire001
      @Solitaire001 Месяц назад

      The reason they used Lex's DNA is to stabilize the clone. One of the things they established is that if you try and make a pure clone of Superman the clone will eventually turn into a Bizarro. By combining Superman and Luthor's DNA they created a stable clone.
      This is a case of changing origins. Originally, Superboy was created by Cadmus by taking human DNA and making it as close to Kryptonian DNA. It resulted in a clone with one superpower: tactile telekinesis which allowed him to simulate some of Superman's powers.
      Later, they changed it to where his DNA came from Director Westfield. Then, they changed it to where Luthor swapped out Westerfield's DNA with his own. He also installed hidden programming into Superboy's mind, to be activated by Luthor.

  • @simonmirelez1103
    @simonmirelez1103 11 месяцев назад +1

    Keeping the leather jacket, it could be super punk I think that’s kind of cool

  • @Magnificent2k3
    @Magnificent2k3 11 месяцев назад +6

    I have a question, Is Black Shirt superboy and Leather Jackey Superboy the same person?

    • @HELLO_KORO
      @HELLO_KORO 11 месяцев назад +12

      Both are Conner Kent, the jacket is young Justice era and T shirt is teen Titans era whose more mature after the kents adopted him

    • @Magnificent2k3
      @Magnificent2k3 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@HELLO_KORO oh ok thank you.

  • @928Flash
    @928Flash 8 месяцев назад +1

    Let’s just call him corner Kent if we already know his name

  • @justdrums8273
    @justdrums8273 10 месяцев назад +5

    I really like whay young justice did with the angle of Conner being a clone of superman but still part of the family like a brother to Clark.
    I wish they'd go for that, its just so compeling!

  • @alonsohuayanayzamudio6256
    @alonsohuayanayzamudio6256 9 месяцев назад +2

    hmmm i honest i like too conner kent is really cool and amazing also he is the "superboy" of the universe and no a sidekick i think is more a super but with his own style

  • @genxlife
    @genxlife 11 месяцев назад +3

    Comets don't "rush overhead." If they did, they'd be traveling many times faster than light. And comets don't travel faster than light.

  • @AJedits65
    @AJedits65 11 месяцев назад +14

    8:19 i think it’s funny how casual you went Jason shoots people and then real disappointed when tim was gay

    • @lucklesslackey
      @lucklesslackey 11 месяцев назад +1

      They made Tim gay out of nowhere. Bro was literally married to Barbara in the Arkhamverse.

    • @AJedits65
      @AJedits65 11 месяцев назад

      @@lucklesslackey I mean that’s like a different universe from the comics

    • @lucklesslackey
      @lucklesslackey 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@AJedits65 It is, but it doesn't change how Tim turning gay is weird. Jason Todd in both the Arkhamverse and Comics still stays the same as a gun wielding vigilante, why'd they decide to change things with Tim Drake out of nowhere? Most modern comic writers are just pandering to the wrong demographic at this point

    • @justalivingbeing6232
      @justalivingbeing6232 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@lucklesslackey because changing Tim Drake from being gay doesn’t matter. I also think he’s bi Jason‘s main character is being the red hood Tim being gay, doesn’t really matter

    • @richborn6700
      @richborn6700 11 месяцев назад

      It reminded me of when they made Iceman gay. Not the original Iceman who had 50 years of history, but the All New X-Men (who were just the original teen X-Men) it just felt like representation where there was none before

  • @jonathank786
    @jonathank786 11 месяцев назад

    Good video there’s so many unexplored paths they could go with him wish they’d utilize his potential

    • @jonathank786
      @jonathank786 11 месяцев назад

      I for one like the thought of an angsty rebellious teen Superboy finding his own path like the robins

  • @starbrand3726
    @starbrand3726 11 месяцев назад +3

    I would love it if you also did New 52 Superboy.

  • @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω
    @ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω 11 месяцев назад +1

    evey dc character is exactly what dc editorial says they are not just superboy
    after all they are all fictional

  • @Kevin-Hdz
    @Kevin-Hdz 11 месяцев назад +3

    They are Never going to give Connor his own name. But who knows hopefully they do. 🤷
    Superboy Prime is still my favorite Superman Variant
    💯

  • @AllegoricalPseudonym
    @AllegoricalPseudonym 11 месяцев назад +1

    Call this man Sentinel and expand the telekinesis, Kyle. My guy could be flying through space exploding asteroids with intrusive thoughts by now but everybody so sleepy

    • @Seraph3d
      @Seraph3d 11 месяцев назад +2

      Sentinel isnt bad, speaks to his Guardian connection in his past.

    • @AllegoricalPseudonym
      @AllegoricalPseudonym 11 месяцев назад +4

      @@Seraph3d I agree. I think the tactile telekinesis could be stretched to some force object creation. Not GL levels of object creation but a shield could be an interesting callback.
      I don't know that tactile telekinesis is still the source of Conner's powerset, though. I haven't really followed comics since Infinite Crisis.

  • @FranklinWilson-ev9dq
    @FranklinWilson-ev9dq 11 месяцев назад +4

    Connor Became Superman, When He Fought, Superboy Prime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @historyking9984
    @historyking9984 11 месяцев назад

    Conner going off into space make so much sense. Adventures in space have been part of Superman’s legacy and character as a kryptonian. Most importantly DC doesn’t have as much focus on space/cosmic based stories as marvel. Marvels got tons of cosmic empires like the kree and Skrulls, groups like the guardians of the galaxy, the star jammers,alpha flight ,the X men occasionally right now in x men red,nova,the inhumans, and more that focus on space . While for DC it’s really only the green lanterns. Space stories may happen from time to time but 9/10 times it’s the aliens coming to space or just a small limited event or focus. Having Conner have a book focusing on finding himself and in space would flesh out dc’s world outside of earth.

  • @Catsclaw-ru6zw
    @Catsclaw-ru6zw 7 месяцев назад

    I thought Tana Moon was the love of his life Conner was really into her she was the first woman he met after he broke out of the lab & he went to Metropolis to find Lois. When Tana died Conner was devastated even though she was much older than him I think she was in her mid or late 20s when they met each other.

  • @deegloss
    @deegloss 11 месяцев назад +1

    The entire Young Justice crew refuses to age or grow

  • @eingoluq
    @eingoluq 10 месяцев назад +1

    There is literally no other name you can call him. That's the problem.anything they come up with will just sound silly

  • @FirstnameLastname-my7bz
    @FirstnameLastname-my7bz 11 месяцев назад +5

    0:17 it was Geoff Johns additon btw, original Karl Kesel's Superboy-Connor wasn't clone of Luthor. I think he could even be Not the clone of Superman in the first place as in that comic it is not 100% if they did successfully crack Superman's DNA or just made modification on that guy's DNA close enough and called it a day

  • @caesar0frome950
    @caesar0frome950 11 месяцев назад +6

    3:19 he's not dead

    • @ChrisLawton66
      @ChrisLawton66 11 месяцев назад

      Right? You'd think with the amount of research put into this he'd realize it's George that's dead.

  • @litterboxstudios
    @litterboxstudios 11 месяцев назад

    I did a little sketchbook “pitch” not long ago renaming him Supernova. It’s been used by DC but is currently available, and I think it suits Kon quite well.

  • @kallel6588
    @kallel6588 11 месяцев назад +1

    @8:30 thank you! Very true. And now Supermans son is the next token

    • @MILOPETIT
      @MILOPETIT 10 месяцев назад

      Why is it tokenism whenever a character is queer?

    • @kallel6588
      @kallel6588 10 месяцев назад

      @@MILOPETIT because it's unnecessary and just being done to push an agenda

    • @kallel6588
      @kallel6588 10 месяцев назад

      @@MILOPETIT I answered your question but seem some a$$/hole removed it

  • @radiokunio3738
    @radiokunio3738 11 месяцев назад

    Coming from Young Justice this is like a mental trip.

  • @shadowone01x99
    @shadowone01x99 11 месяцев назад +16

    Personally, i really enjoyed the New52 version and Young Justice animated series version
    Costume-wise i liked the New 52 design the most.

    • @fruitpunchsamurai4837
      @fruitpunchsamurai4837 10 месяцев назад +3

      Could that be because you've never read 94 superboy or 98 young justice?

  • @ClashMasterStudios2
    @ClashMasterStudios2 11 месяцев назад +4

    I just want a Comic for my boy Superboy Kon

    • @wrrrryyyy12
      @wrrrryyyy12 11 месяцев назад +1

      he recently got a miniseries
      Superboy Man of tomorrow
      the full series will be available on places like amazon on the 19th

  • @Green.Star_ks
    @Green.Star_ks 11 месяцев назад +2

    I love Kon so much😭❤️

  • @Deltabolster
    @Deltabolster 8 месяцев назад +5

    Friendly reminder that some of Brian Micheal bendis' only good work was a comic run where the protagonist was just straight up a teenager. The fuck does he mean he can't be bothered to write a child

  • @ShortPuff
    @ShortPuff 6 месяцев назад

    I hope you could make a video on cassie. She's in the same spot as kon, as the writers don't know what to do with her. Especially know since they've replaced her with Yara.

  • @gogetathestrongestfusion
    @gogetathestrongestfusion 11 месяцев назад +6

    Young justice season 3 one is my favourite

  • @HappyMurdock
    @HappyMurdock 7 месяцев назад

    superhero names for conner kent (accepting suggestions): super bro, super dude, super punk, super kiddo, super rocker, super meteor, sky ripper, super rebel, rebel of steel, Super Freak (that one rick james song), super man (with an american accent), super guy, super.

  • @peacejoy1396
    @peacejoy1396 11 месяцев назад +1

    I came out of this more confused

  • @audacityofyouth7051
    @audacityofyouth7051 11 месяцев назад +1

    They could maybe give him the Ultraman mantle of prime Earth and make him give the code name a more heroic connotation. Or Ultra Boy, Powerboy. Or maybe even though it’s cheesy Superstar since he’s seen as more flashy especially in the 90s

    • @audacityofyouth7051
      @audacityofyouth7051 11 месяцев назад

      @@Timepilot94 I know. However since he exists in the future, and gets very little usage they could easily give that mantle over to Connor and he could be the Ultra Boy of the modern day. I think Connor should go by Superstar though. And also explore his powers more to give him a unique identity. I’d love for him to get the Nightwing treatment and be his own hero

  • @matthewschwartz6607
    @matthewschwartz6607 11 месяцев назад +2

    I love Connor . I grew up with him in the 90’s. Superboy and Supergirl are just confusing to me . I don’t even know who the current Supergirl is (Or if the original is still in continuity or not.). This was a good history . Thanks .

    • @hurricane7727
      @hurricane7727 11 месяцев назад

      Kara i think. Power Girl is her from Earth 2

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 11 месяцев назад

      Kara is supergirl. She’s just Clark’s cousin. It’s as simple as that. She and power girl now co-exist, but powergirl now goes by the civilian name “Paige”( Jon gave her the name).

    • @matthewschwartz6607
      @matthewschwartz6607 11 месяцев назад

      @@Dhampir101980 - The Supergirl that Jeph Loeb created? Is the original still retconned out of existence?

    • @Dhampir101980
      @Dhampir101980 11 месяцев назад

      @@matthewschwartz6607 supposedly, everything is canon in DC nowadays, thanks to the last crisis event “ dark Crisis “. But given some of what Kara says and does in her one shot issue and in the Power girl miniseries, I can only surmise that the current Kara is more or less the Loeb version. But I haven’t read Supergirl since Loeb wrote her. But it is the Clark’s cousin from Argos, not the 90’s version. That’s for sure

    • @richborn6700
      @richborn6700 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@Dhampir101980"dark crisis"? That sounds like a parody of late 2000s event comics. Tell me that isn't real

  • @ScoobyLoochie-Doo
    @ScoobyLoochie-Doo 11 месяцев назад

    Why haven't they turned "Crisis on Infinite Earths" into a TV series? They have more than enough material for it, and just like it happened with Marvel not only will it satisfy viewers who haven't read the comics, but die-hard fans also... These are the stories that no one has heard of so.. fuggin' perfect.

  • @0127sasuke
    @0127sasuke 11 месяцев назад +1

    Personally I feel like at the very least Kenan can keep the name. He's supposed to be "The Super-Man of China". So let him just BE China's Super-Man. I mean I like seeing him interact with the main super fam, but he shouldn't be a permanent metropolis mainstay. Let him go back to China and lead the JLC
    As for Conner and Jon, Ive seen Sentinel and Scion thrown around as codenames. Tho personally I'd rather Jon just be a kid again and be the main Superboy as Clarks sidekick.
    But if DC really wants a younger Superman for a new generation... Then why couldn't it have been Conner

  • @MirzaAliQasimRaza
    @MirzaAliQasimRaza 10 месяцев назад +1

    That u for talking about my boy.

  • @kcspkr
    @kcspkr 8 месяцев назад

    my head cannon is that Superboy is his given name where as Con-El or Conner Kent are alter egos...

  • @Thejrguy
    @Thejrguy 7 месяцев назад +1

    Making Superboy trans would’ve been so stupid and idiotic and DC would’ve been set on fire

  • @BonzerMrT
    @BonzerMrT 11 месяцев назад

    Another problem DC has had in the past they were writing two different Superboys at the same time. There was the 2003 Teen Titans version with the black shirt, because of the Titans tv show. But in the stories he was involved in like Suicide Squad, or Titans United that was MATCH Conner’s clone. A Bizzaro Superboy. So when the OG came back at the end of SS and then reintroduced in Action Comics House of Kent, he hadn’t had ANY development since pre 52 at that point.

  • @orkoskang7967
    @orkoskang7967 11 месяцев назад

    The CassKon ship is getting wild briefly.

  • @Min1mum
    @Min1mum 11 месяцев назад +8

    Super guy

  • @brodyzavala3857
    @brodyzavala3857 13 дней назад

    "Sol-second son of krypton" idk, i feel like especially with the absolute universe going on, absolutly tale whats good and apply it to the main dc universe. I think connor going the route of a harsher john kent would make for some good stories. Not so much as they harm the super name, just bring out some questions from the other super family, maybe get some decent connor movement after they... ya know, took his pocket dimension wife and son away, they gave him his own cyborg superman in that one shot you talked about. I think a cosmic superman works, the one shot where he goes place to place on each planet is fun, i think if he met other space fairing heroes it could make for some good stories too. Have him come across more new gods n shit like that. Superman of the Stars or some shit. My boy needs some love