DC HATES And Disrespects Superman
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2024
- Superman is one of the most iconic characters but often appears neglected or entirely disrespected outside of modern DC Comics. Many perceive the character as boring or one-dimensional due to recent adaptations like the Injustice games and Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, the latest title in the Batman Arkham series, both featuring evil versions of Superman. In Kill the Justice League, Batman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern are mind-controlled by Brainiac. The DCEU, with Batman v Superman and Zack Snyder's Justice League, has portrayed a version of Clark Kent missing a key element that makes the character special. Henry Cavill's depiction in the Snyderverse sadly got cut short, with his last appearance in the Black Adam post-credits scene. The upcoming DCU reboot, beginning with Creature Commandos and James Gunn's SUPERMAN, introduces a recast Superman, Lois Lane, and Lex Luthor, along with the inclusion of Hawkgirl and Mr. Terrific. As of right now, the only decent modern Superman adaptations comprise of My Adventures with Superman and Superman & Lois.
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They’ve been killing Batman, making Superman evil, and trying too hard to make Harley Quinn a good character
Lo peor es q Batman lucharía x vivir, Superman realmente no es malvado y Harley ya era un buen personaje desde su creación.
Theyve made harley quinn borderline insuffereable
They made harley just a copy of tank girl but more "family friendly "
@@flavioalbatrozz2557 damn. You nailed it.
And nothing with Wonder Woman 😔
Superman's goodness is what makes him special. A powerful man who is selfish, greedy, malicious? There are a million of those. A powerful man who chooses to be good? That's a rare thing worth my time.
The real question is, what is good in today standard?
His goodness is a fraud. His goodness is untested and unproven. In the DC universe Superman is just ONE of powerful men that choose to be good. Look at Flash, Wonder woman, Icon, Blue beetle e.t.c. pluc he is just boring.
@@CaraBolsaSTUDIOSNah nah nah nah nah, I get what you mean about how good and evil aren’t always black and white, but while motives can be grey, actions and consequences are still clearly defined. It’s where the idea of ‘intention vs action’ comes from.
@@CaraBolsaSTUDIOSAgain, see your point friend, just wanted to clarify some things so we can get a happy ending. Hopefully.
Green Lantern? Spider man? Hulk? Flash?
"DC HATES And Disrespects Superman"
Spider-Man fans: "First time?"
Batman and Spider-Man: "Welcome to the club, Clarkie"
DC never hated batman @@callmejacob3234
More like: MARVEL HATES And Disrespects Spider-Man and Cyclops
Superman fans: "First time?"
I’ve never understood this take. Spider-Man is supposed to be the ultimate hard luck hero. What makes Spider-Man special is that fact that even though his life is a shambles and he constantly gets crapped on, he never gives up. The whole point of the character. If the writers make his life easy and everything works out for him…that is no longer Spider-Man.
@@2323stickboyOk but you'd think it would start to not only become boring, but really obnoxious too? I've been falling out with Spiderman because they've constantly force him to go through some of the most unnecessary and ridiculous shit for no reason. He still gets cucked, beaten, shamed, and hated by many people till this day when things should you know..develop? Just because a character suffers doesn't automatically make them a good character, what makes them good is what they gain from it and Spiderman at this point gains nothing but agony
I honestly believe in our current societal climate people can’t fathom a character like Superman, every “hero” created in the last 2 decades have been dark, conflicted, morally ambiguous Grey characters which the general audience considers more complex, this has caused a false dichotomy where people assume if a character is a virtue of righteousness or completely evil that they’re boring when it it’s the writing and way these themes are conveyed that out power in these paragons, it’s what Superman stands for, what he chooses to do with all his power, the internal conflict he goes through dictating what is even morally acceptable to do in matters that involve global political issues that aren’t black and white, there’s so much you can gain from characters that are the pinnacle of what humans can become, it just takes a willingness to listen to the lessons being told
The problem with the public perception of Superman is that people hyperfixate on the alien god but don't acknowledge the human farmboy. Superman maintains the ideal but Clark Kent is what keeps it grounded. Superman is at his best when he's put up against problems he can't punch away and has to look at with a human perspective, like Lex Luthor. Sure if he wanted to, he could kill Lex and stop HIM specifically from committing evil, but what about the other Lex Luthors of the world who can be just as evil or ruthless? How can you punch away the disparity between the wealthy and poor, or corruption with the government without sacrificing your own values in the process, and becoming what you've always fought against, someone who gets results by abusing power?
What about beings like Darkseid, who is the living incarnation of Tyranny and Evil? How can you kill something that represents a force that exists everywhere?
He can't. And that's how you write Superman. As you said, to write him you have to focus on his internal struggles, make him question his place in human society, and wrestle with the burden of having so much responsibility put on himself. You focus not just on his flaws, but on things he can't accomplish with might alone.
any CBM property that has done well has focused on the humanity of the character its Clark Kents persona that has made me fan of a character
@@utopian4769you guys keep saying he’s just a human farm boy but your ignoring the fact that not all but ALOT of american farmboys from the country aren’t just good people everybody is more then good or evil. They could be good in there community but for some reason hate or dislike others just because there diffrent or have diffrent skin.
i hate to say it but if a alien like superman exist in america foreal he’d most likely turn out like homelander 😂 probably storming the capitol with the other “farm boys”
@@leelee-uq5ui
I mean yeah, but we as viewers know that Superman is a good person and isn't storming the capital or whatever. Superman could've turned out good or bad but chooses to do good with his powers, which makes him more compelling. His family instilled in him good values, which contributed to him becoming who he is. I don't know much about The Boys but from what I've heard, Homelander was raised to be a sociopathic narcissist, so how he turned out makes sense, even though it doesn't justify his actions. But what he chooses to do with his power doesn't reflect on Superman.
Or maybe people just don’t vibe or find his character interesting, idk
DC look at what Superman now is basically what Lex Luthor look at Superman.
Speak English
*the way DC looks at superman currently is basically how Lex Luthor looks at superman.
DC look at what Superman now is basically what Lex Luthor look at Superman.
English pls
The correct way to say it is proper grammar you assholes
As I saw someone say before, this whole "someone that powerful cannot be good person" is the whole Lex Luthor mentality.
People miss the point of Lex Luthor. Lex is jealous of Superman. Lex thought he was the most powerful person on earth until he realized Superman existed. He is jealous people gravitate towards Superman’s power more than his power.
@@petermj1098 I think that when people say that, they are pointing out the mentality itself, rather than the motivation behind it.
@@SonicBRmario Lex has a god complex and his ego is rubbed when a guy with God like powers is “taking away” his stardom.
@@petermj1098 yes, I understand that.
Yeah, in the Superman returns movie (Brad Routh), Lex Luthor enviously try to justify his spite of Superman by narrating The Prometheus myth ,the god that gave humans the ability to make fire but Superman won't share power or knowledge especially with him.
It’s not just Superman DC hates, it’s nearly all of thier iconic characters.
Same goes for Marvel especially
What beef do they have with my boi hal Jordan what did he do?!
Specially Spiderman
@donnyjames783 yeah, even in animation they just made him evil and kill him off. WTF?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp although that happened in the comics he goes through purgatory and becomes a better green lantern. While as a African American I love John Stewart but that was Kyle origin DC so lazy now they stole a fans black lightning design
I'm so tired of seeing evil superman it's getting boring and ridiculous
yeah let Batman be the evil one
@@TheHeston83the Batman who laughs
@@marlo176 owlman > batgay who laughs
@@prophetmuhammad3890 agreed
I am too. But he wouldn’t be popular if people weren’t gravitating toward it and THAT’S what annoys me.
I never read a Superman comic book, but I did grow up with the DCAU and Smallville. Not once did I ever find Superman boring. Ironically, I started to find him boring once DC decided to mske him evil/edgy in order to be "interesting". I miss when Superman was a hero. Back when he was the lovable boy scout.
Superman is not for lazy writers. He is so philosophically rich. Just that alone makes him a gem of a character.
The quote from "vs the Elite" was exactly the first thing I thought of after Snyder's bs interview.
Same. Such a good quote and movie. Probably my favourite superman movie yet
Superman vs The Elite is so good
An interview you didn’t actually see I’m sure
@@roachofdoom1234Zach Snyder is a hack.
@roachofdoom1234 everything he said there, he's said before in regards to DC
I am honestly sick and tired of the disrespect Superman tends to get nowadays. Superman is still relevant for being the type of hero this world needs.
Watch Superman & Lois. It’s a reminder of how great the character can be when in the hands of people who loves and understands the character’s complexities.
@@SaleemFrazer I've long since watched Superman and Lois. It's a great series, but it still doesn't stop the disrespect Superman gets.
Does it help at least change the public perception considering how beloved that series has become particularly for its characterizations? Albeit it's not as popular as it ought to be due to the network that it's on @@StareachValcin
@@SaleemFrazerOr watch my adventures with superman.
@@StareachValcinFacts💯That Show🔥
When that lady at Rocksteady talked about Joker having insecurities I knew that the wrong people were responsible for Suicide Squad.
Anyone that thinks Superman is boring or lame exposes themselves for not watching the Justice League Animated show including Unlimited.
Is it that hard to get that some people simply just don't care
I Watched JLU And I Still Think That My Boy Supes Is Overrated And Overpowered! I Love Him,But He Is A Super Boring Guy Character Wise.
@@ghostprince4284watch superman the animated series if you haven't
Superman works there cause he has characters to work off of and his pushed to the side which is good bc a guy that can carry planets isn't fun to watch for a full 2hr movie
@@ghostprince4284so the episode 'for the man who has everything' just went over your head?
Superman’s comeback is imminent, the new cartoon is great, a bunch of great ongoing series for the last couple of years, and hopefully next years film is great
I have so much faith in gunn delivering the definitive superman film
yes i feel this way also
Superman & Lois is a good interpretation as well. If we got a good Superman video game & if the 2025 film is great, we'll be in a Superman Renaissance.
We got another season of Superman and Lois coming too
On your point about Jesse Eisenberg playing Lex like he's the Riddler, I think he would make a perfect Arcade from Xmen if he brought that performance back
"Jesse, we need to collect all the Riddler's trophies so we can beat his ass"
But he was NOTHING like the Riddler.
@@PikashadesJim Carrey The Riddler.
@@chocov1233 go read Superman: Birthright and Secret Origin to widen you knowledge on Lex Luthor.
Damn, he would be perfect as Arcade
I hope James Gunn make things right with Superman and yeah, Superman doesn't have to be depowered to have a good story.
I don't trust James Gunn. It's impossible to trust him. Say what you want about Zack Snyder, but atleast he never LIED about what kind of movies he was making.
@@Pikashades Look man I don't know much about James Gunn and I've been hearing a lot of people say what you said but other people trust him. I just want them to stop ruining Superman and give him a good movie. Batman and Spiderman have had a lot of movies and video games while Superman is being ignored. I didn't really like Zack Snyder's version of Superman but they did Henry Cavill dirty, his looks just like Superman but the problem was the writers.
@@Pikashades James Gunn has yet make a bad CBM movie though
@@DahGabriel-gk2cr most of the Snyder cultist who keep hating Snyder and his movies don't even acknowledge the writers he had working with him. They automatically go for the same old "hAtInG zAcK sNyDeR iS cOoL" which makes their criticism impossible to take seriously.
@@TheHeston83 there are those that were released under his reign and had his last second influence sabotaging them aka everything that came out last year.
Dc hates superman but somehow loves the suicide squad............. Like wtf man...... why
I'm so tired of Batman getting all the fuss. I like Batman as much as the next guy, but I find it hilarious Superman is labelled OP yet Batman isn't? Batman is basically super powered at this point. His power is plot armour. It's actually cringeworthy to see Batman not flinch in the presence of these gods as if he knows he's wearing the most impenetrable plot armour. I really hope these new films showcase that DC has more to offer than Batman. I really want to see Superman, Green Lantern and Flash done Justice, pun intended. This is why Marvel done well to begin with. They established their other characters and gave them the love. It saddens me that Superman is such an iconic figure yet he's tarnished because we can't have a traditional hero. I guess that speaks for our current climate.
Like this!!! People complain of superman being ignored because he's OP and yet we get alot of batman content and he isn't? Hell in the justice league movie he has gone from loner strategist to leader
Everyone remembers Superman having his iconic catchphrase of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way"
Most of the individuals who make comics and related media, arent big fans of that...which is why as soon as they were running things, he never said that phrase again.
that catchphrase is outdated and the new one is better
I honestly don’t think Superman has been done justice on the big screen yet. Reeve came the closest and had many fantastic moments, but didn’t reach his full potential. I think the best adaptation of the character was Smallville. It maintained the core of the character while showing his journey to becoming the hero we all know, unlike the DCEU which turned him into a totally different character in an attempt to make him modern and “relatable.” Batman has finally been perfected on the silver screen with Reeves/Pattinson, so I’m hoping the same can be done with Gunn/Corenswet. Everything Gunn has said is exactly what I want to hear and see from a Superman movie.
Same and I really hope that Superman by James gunn will be the best Superman film ever
You should watch superman and Lois it's fantastic and Tyler is perfect as supes.
Yeah , Yeah , Yeah..
You Professional Couch Critics will NEVER be satisfied and will ALWAYS complain
You know, Ive been sleeping on Smallville all this time...but I think Imma finally give it a shot, thanks to your comment here.
@@GamerGateVeterandon’t it’s trash. It’s one of those CW shows. I’ve seen literally every episode when I was younger. It starts off interesting but the show drags on way too many seasons. It’s so terrible these days, it’s like one of those shows that does not hold up.
I legit think people hate on superman cuz they just cant fathom the idea of a good person that is super powerful
Like mf really got to comfortable with the idea that superheros would all be degenerate killing freaks thanks to things like the boys
The idea that superman is boring is basically another way of saying you dont understand why superman works, an yes i can belive that WB and DC themselves dont understand why superman works
cuz theyre "NoT MoRaLly CoMplEx"
Fr, I just find it ridiculous that being a good person isn't normalized. How are mfs gonna say stuff like "Villains are misunderstood heroes" or "Anti heroes are the real sigmas 🗿" but when an actual good person like Superman shows up, they just don't like him? I'm tired of people being so cynical and edgy 💀💀
@@bread5384internet, trash/gay, films, and non comic book folks took over the scene
Nah ppl like the Boys bc its satirical, violent and has good character writing.
If what even one thing of what you said was true, Spider-Man: No Way Home or GoTG 3 wouldn't have broken 500M and over in box office.
I think Super Man needs to be eight years old when Krypton gets destroyed. He would be old enough to know his people and his biological parents and young enough to be raised by the Kent's. Watching his planet and people get destroyed at that age would make his motivation to be a hero make sense. Than when he gets his powers. He would want to make sure that the people of earth, would never suffer the same fate as his people
You know what anoys me about Jonathan Kent in Men of Steel the most?
It could have worked with just a bit of better writing. He was a father who worried about the safety of his adopted son and was caught between keeping Clark safe and doing/supporting what was right. That is an understandable motivation.
And from there you could go to the lesson that you don't always need powers to do the right thing. That he has to be carefull when, how and why he uses his powers. To be carefull not to let his powers go to his head and becoming careless.
But no, They had to go on that whole B.S. to make Superman a Jesus figure, who stands above humanity, which isn't ready for him.
2 things:
1)Christopher Nolan and David Goyer wrote Man of Steel before they asked Snyder to direct it
2) Superman was never written as Jesus character. He was written to be SEEN as a Jesus character by the people in the movie universe. His characterization was the same it has always has been.
@@Pikashades
To point 1: I don't care.
To point 2: No... no his characterization was not the same as it's always been. Because he is not written as Clark Kent. Because the most important part of Superman is the MAN. Clark Kent's humanity, his kindness and his humility. Someone who beliefs in people and inspires them to be better. Someone who has all that power but would see helping a little girl get her cat from a tree just as worth of his time because it's right. Because it's decent. And above all, it's kind.
Man of Steel and BvS Clark is mopey, cold, distant and treats helping people as a chor.
I wouldn't have a problem that people in the movie percieve him as a godly Jseus figure if the movies wouldn't portray Clark himself as so distant from humanity.
If you want a good written Clark, and subsequently Superman, then i would say, watch The Animated Superman series, the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited Series, the Superman v.s. the Elite movie or My Adventures with Superman Series.
@@shadowhunter0815 1. Ok, cultist.
2. Now you're mixing the pre-Crisis Superman with the post-Crisis Superman.
He got over that in Man of Steel after talking with the AI Jor-El and leaning his origins. In BvS it only came back after he saw Kahina Ziri's interview on tv and then again got over it later in the movie.
As someone who has been bullied in my youth, you sound like a bully asking their victim why they are sad about being bullied.
I have reviewed both Superman vs the Elite and My Adventures With Superman on my channel, where I draw attention to the flaws both adaptations had that people like you keep ignoring. Granted, the former was some what improved by having Joe Kelly back in writing it, but the latter sacrificed Superman's supporting cast and rogue's gallerly in quality to make Superman look better, which so unintentionally made Superman look worse.
@@Pikashades
1: Calling me a cultist and accusing me of being a bully? That's the best you got?
No offence but you have to be a bit more creative than that.
2: Pre Crisis Superman didn't even know he was an alian until he was 18, contributing to his ubbringing.
As for Man of Steel: So he "learned" human values not from his adopted parents who raised him, but from a talk with an AI that laid out his destiny?
Yeah, still butchering the Kents and consequently Clarks ubbringing. Not to mention that he is still portrayed as distant to humans.
I mean, you can like it it, that is your thing, but i still think that Jonathan and Clark were poorly written and i see nothing supermanly in this version of Superman.
Heck, even Injustice Superman is more Superman, because it was exactly his human side, the love for Lois, that Joker attacked and the loss of Clarks humanity that made the tragedy.
@@shadowhunter0815 1. If you're blaiming JUST Snyder for the sake of it, the you're no different from the cultists. Also, you didn't even try to prove me wrong on the accusation.
And I didn't call you a bully, I compared you to one.
2. Pre-Crisis Superman was not Clark Kent as a person. He was Superman with Clark Kent as his disguise.
WFT kind of Snyder cultist logic is that supposed to be!?!? No, Clark didn't feel like he belonged because he didn't understand why he was different. After learning why he is different from the AI Jor-El, he managed to get over the issues he had and returned home to Ma Kent as a happier man ready to move on in his life.
Also WTF is your problem in wanting Clark to reveal his nature by publically using his powers in front of witnesses so he could be exposed and taken away from his parents by the people like the SCP Foundation, GOC or the Serpent's Hand? It's like you don't want him to become Superman, but instead to become the Flashpoint Superman.
Don't have kids. If that is how you still see Pa Kent, then you SOUND like you would be an abusive parent who values your own safety over the safety of your child.
Because Injustice Superman was Superman who gave up on being Clark Kent. That is why you probably see him as more Superman than Clark Kent. The real Superman, like the on from the Vs the Elite movie would have plead the Joker's case to place him into the Death Row and get the capital punishment instead of doing it himself.
At least they're casting actors who look like the characters, which is more than you can say for any other adaptation lately. But Gunn wanting to jump straight into The Authority of all damn things is just a horrendously bad idea.
“Rocksteady never cook again out of 10” 🗣️🔥
as a massive Spider-Man glazer, i feel for superman fans getting their boy disrespected, hes really damn inspiring when you actually look into his character and what he stands for instead of just “lol hes God isn’t that so boring”
It’s the same reason I find Captain America boring but I respect the guy. I think it’s less his powers and more his goody too shoes persona. I’m the kind of guy that’s a pretty terrible person mentally so I respect the good guys in society like Mr. beast. So I ever watch Mr. beast, no, I don’t care for that corny ass helping people shit, but I subscribe to him so he keeps up the good work. Always protect and support the people who do good in society even if you’re the type of person who promotes negativity.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k
Well, at least your admit good too shoes personas are more interesting characters and admit that it's just a you problem. People like you don't tend to have that level of self awareness, so at least you're an NPC that realizes you're being strung about.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4kYou’re not terrible mentally. You’re a good person. You’re just got lost along the way. I bet you have a great soul and a good heart. I believe in you and I hope you learn to believe in yourself one day.
It breaks my heart to learn that in the post-5G Future State age of comics, they were planning to make Jon the main Superman the main Superman, which is fine. And then they were going to make Superman, Clark, slowly turn into a despot. They were going to make Injustice Superman canon. At this point, Grant Morrison, writer of All Star Superman, had walked away from comics for a bit. When they heard this, Grant was like "No", and wrote for Superman to prevent this from happening. Which only makes me worried that there won't always be Grant Morrisons or Joshua Williamsons to come in and save Superman.
Also, Zack Snyder unironically saying something exactly like Manchester Black is amazing. And having Superman have the perfect response to clap back is even more so. I feel vindicated about how I've always felt about the Snyderverse.
If Goku got a game why can't Superman?
Well to be fair Gokus games typically include the entire main continuity DB lore so theres a standard blueprint to follow
@jasonhearn5818 a good comic story is also a blueprint that can be followed for a superman game.
@@shalindelta7 its over 85 years of storylines to pick from and plenty of powerful characters to challenge supemans power
@@jasonhearn5818 and if Supermans strength is an issue for devs gameplay wise then a story showcasing Supermans heart and morality will do just fine. Matter of fact it would be better because people have forgotten what truly makes Superman special.
@@shalindelta7 they could do character progression..he gets stronger and gains skill throughout the game
Man, I get so frustrated when people say it's impossible to make a modern Superman game when it's actually not.
The God of War games are a prime example of having a very powerful main character facing off against other antagonists within the same power level but still having to struggle internally and externally throughout the game WHILE having a good narrative story.
In Superman case it's literally easy with the rogues gallery he has, just make him fight other powerful foes or take him to space!
When people say he's "overpowered" clearly don't know the difference between being Powerful and being Overpowered. Superman is just Powerful not Overpowered because there are literally so many villains other than Darksied and Brianiac that are way more stronger then Superman.
he’s boring and overpowered all his fans brag about how he’s so strong and can lift the book of infinite or some dumb sht
well guess what if he can do that he doesn’t have anything interesting to do in a game what is he gunna do stop everyday crimes?
Thats not the problem, yeah he has powerful enemies but they would use those for boss fights, the issue is average gameplay, like stopping a robbery, your not just going to be fighting big enemies all the time
@eteggroll8913 Parademons, Brainiac probes, Phantom Zone criminals, Intergang. There are so many henchman type enemies that he faces in the comics. They just happen to be robots, aliens, or monsters instead of just being regular humans.
@@leelee-uq5ui The original comment already debunks your whole reply. It’s amazing Superman haters legit can’t/don’t read.
Yeah, no.
Man, Superman vs. The Elite was freaking awesome.
Whoever made Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League game really didn't like the Justice League in any shape or form.
the recording in a nutshell
Superman: let's go into the ship!
Batman: no
Superman: yes
Batman: ok
Zack synder seen watchmen just thought it was cool because of sex and violence and didnt understand the series. Also he really wanted batman to be an anti-hero by saying "he doesnt kill directly its indirectly." Like useing the batmobile to blow up cars or there werehouse fightscene or even making batman shoot a gun. Zack synder is what happens when you have a person who loves 90s era comics and have them make films with that in mind
Superman is to comics what Goku is to anime. West and East
Actually, Astroboy is to Japanese comics and animation what Superman is to America given both were trailblazers and got the ball rolling in a big way and they're both super, super old.
Yeah I always found goku corny growing up, always was a vegeta fan.
💯% Facts & Period! Vegeta,Piccolo,SSJ2 Gohan And Future Trunks Were My Favorite Bros Growing Up.@@user-zh5lj1ec4k
@@VunderGuyno one cares about Astro boy, Goku is Father of Shonen aka Most popular genre of Manga
@@tinytitan8807
Saying 'no one cares' isn't an argument when you're trying to compare like to like, and Goku isn't like Superman in terms of historical significance or getting the ball rolling or being really old for comics or anime or manga AT ALL. Even if we limit ourselves to shonen, if you literally type in, 'what was the first Shonen?' on google you'll find Astroboy there. Goku is important, but he's more important in the same way that most of Marvel's catalogue is: a Silver Ager compared to the golden agers that are Superman and Astroboy. Superman and Astroboy literally carved out the pool that Marvel and Goku swim in. They swim in it well, but the fact remains they stand on the shoulders of the architects of that pool.
Most Batman & Superman Fans wouldn't survive being a DEATHSTROKE NOR GREEN LANTERN FAN ☠️
Why would you be a fan of deathstroke? He’s a villain that is good at fighting and has tactical skills. Ras Al Gul does that and more. His merits is that he just has a cool costume. Deathstroke works best as a side villain.
@@thefilmrookie3099 because I have something You clearly Lack, OPINION of my own
BTW, don't try to argue with anyone if your sources of Info are YT shorts & Tik Toks 😘
@@thefilmrookie3099 Genius argument🤓, Ninja Turtles suck because Daredevil does the same but better, Iron Man Suck because War Machine does the same but better, Batman SUCKS because Alfred does THE EXACT SAME but better 🤪
Ya'll are troopers and I wish we could all have great adaptations. Speaking of GL, what do you think about a game involving playing as a GL having a custom construct creation system to accurately simulate the single biggest selling points of lanterns: them literally using their imagination as a weapon?
I mean, GL fans got to eat pretty good for a time. They brought Hal back and then made _everything_ about Lanterns; even ruined Rainbow Girl by making her "wHaT iF aLl ThE lAnTeRn CoLoRs?". It was the Bat-gasm of the 00s (feck I feel old now).
I grew up watching STAS & Justice League so seeing all the Superman disrespect is driving me mad
It makes me mad everyday knowing what we lost and could have had if Zack Snyder was never brought on and instead we had Bruce Timm lead the pack in 13.
@@VunderGuyZack Snyder is a trash director. You should see the reviews for rebel moon, even the audiences trash him. No one wants to work with the guy anymore lol.
Tbf DCAU has two evil superman and one brainwashed to be evil.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k It doesn't matter if rebel moon is trash. Snyder JLA and Watchmen are still some of the best superhero movies cuz superhero movies shouldn't always need to make a cringe joke every 3 seconds or catering to political agenda.
@@prophetmuhammad3890 in the Hadiths, it is said indeed marvel films have gone done since end game but that still doesn’t mean Zach Snyder is trash.
You know DC treats the character bad when most people care about Homelander and Omni-Man in modern days
I do wonder why is it that people gravitate more towards visceral or violent characters.
I'm guessing it's because people like edgy things, but even then I feel that's a blanket statement and it doesn't apply to everyone.
@@MaigenMaylightNot so much a blanket standby as it is an accurate one. It’s very true. A lot of people complain about loneliness yet refuse to admit that they are the reason why they’re lonely. A lot of people want to seem dark, introverted and mysterious as they feel this makes them stand out more and appear more attractive and interesting. Everybody loves Batman cuz he’s dark, depressed and lonely plus he’s rich. Most people nowadays only care about money, and appearing superior and dark and powerful. Thats why characters like Omni-Man and Homelander are so popular, that and those shows do a good job of showcasing those characters.
But in reality, Superman is the classic superhero. He’s the meaning of what it means to be someone who can do anything but CHOOSES to do right. Making fun of this trope, is what shows like The Boys and Invincible do very well. But Superman is the personification of love, something that most recent films haven’t shown 100%. I loved MOS and only wish they allowed Snyder to carry on with that character development of Superman. But people just want to be dark and sad for whatever reason, then they complain about everything always being dark and sad. It makes no sense. Tired of it honestly. My bad for the rant.
The interest for Homelander and Omni Man is recency bias
@@MaigenMaylightalso do réalisé that in popular cannon of the past 15 years superman has been a flat edge lord so its nor crazy people gravitate towards similar beings that actually let up to their edginess
Ironically I think in this sad, nihilistic, and all-around hopeless time we're living in we need Superman more than ever.
Yes cause a hero who can blow away a universe or crack reality by snapping his fingers is AWE inspiring😂
I swear people are willingly being stupid. The obvious Superman argument is that he is overpowered and boring. This is TRUE. Then the argument that what makes him good is because he has superpowers but doesn't use it for evil. But he is in a world with Flash, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern, Shazam, Dr Fate, Blue Beetle, Martian manhunter, Hawkman, Aquaman all these people who have powers but don't use it for evil. He is also paired up with trash villians. His arch nemesis is lex Luthor who is a regular dude. The big bads hardly show up in his comics like Zod, Darkseid, Doomsday.
@@Rengokuo4o6I can't even tell what point you're trying to make, what are you yapping about?
I don't get the trend of how comic writers or writers for anything in general just hate the characters or stories they write for. is it really that hard to get actual fans or people who understand and respect characters to be making the stuff for said characters??
We all know the super hero will most likely win against the villain. The best comics dive in to the way the superhero deals with the problem in their own moral and ethical way
And presumably in a dramatically and or actionly satisfying way.
Zack's dream world comment contrasted with Superman's speech from the Elite movie was pure brilliance
Yeah Snyder is basically Manchester Black
@@TheHeston83 not if you know the difference between dreams and fantasies, which Manchester Black clearly didn't but Snyder obviousky did.
I get so damn annoyed when people say that Superman is boring. We're so used to deconstructions and satire of super heroes that people are convinced that someone with Superman's level of godlike power would ALWAYS turn out as a Homelander or Omni-Man
Completely ignoring how the whole point of Superman is that he is a genuinely good person who just wants ti help people. For no other reason except its the right thing to do. His power comes with a LOT of perks, but he also sees it as a great responsibility. To help when noone else can.
And its not like in the Snyder films where he's a near emotionless symbol/Jesus figure.
Superman is the EXACT OPPOSITE. He inspires and tries to hold himself and others to a higher standard, but he is an absolutely *chill dude* at the end of the day.
Really anyone who says that Superman is *boring* is either lying or has never experienced the character as he should be.
Same it pisses me off to, when someone says that. They just love to hate
6:08 evil superman is a concept that can never truly stands. Because you need more need more layers to flesh out said scenario but at the cost of making said evil superman NOT superman. Omniman and Homelander are evil "superman" but that's merely an oversimplification of these 2 characters.
Omniman is soldier/ conqueror of an space authoritarian empire who is torn between his duty as soldier and father.
Homelander is both an parody of American propanagda and a cautionary tale on the whole nature vs nurture debate and how some people (in this case homelander) when placed in harsh situations they break like cheap flimsy glass.
Plutonian is a special case though. His fall from grace is pretty much homelander's but far far worse.
honestly omniman is a lot closer to evil goku than evil superman lmao (RIP toriyama ✊😔)
Flip the Tables let Batman take Superman evil role it could work
Homelander isn't even a deep parody. It's just an edgy anti-superhero caricature. That's it, the comic has no thing such as nuance or subtlety and only exists as shock value.
@@sunshineskystar I was talking about the show. Not the comic. The TV show actually has substance
@jonathanathor117 the acting is good, but the writing is no better than a Snyder film
Personally for me i am tired of evil superman and frankly i've reaching my breaking point with this nonsense a very long time ago, which is why I love superman Clark Kent and Lois lane being married and they have there son Jonathan Samuel Kent Superboy as his little 10 year old self learning how to become a great hero and being a great family is really awesome an tons of fun at least in my opinion.
same here let Batman be Evil instead
@@TheHeston83we technically did get evil Batman with the Batman who laughs and suicide squad kill the justice league but that’s just my opinion.
@@TevyaSmolkadon’t forget OwlMan.
Whenever there's a new JL animated film. They always gave the cool moments to Batman. Superman was always shown to struggle and fail with the task or an obstacle at hand
Yeah ..typical portrayal superman is the big dumb emotional jock, Batman is the all knowing
I don't think this is true. I understand Superman fans can't understand that people like Batman but there's no need to lie over it.
@@Rengokuo4o6 Its obvious batman has a fan base...I dont think WB/DC understood they had more than just batman in the lineup ...oversaturating him in everything as if that was the answer but if left up to the Batfans they would've been fine with that
@@jasonhearn5818 Yeah Batman is pretty popular. Must suck for you though since i really like the character. Plus he can be written consistently. You try writing Superpowered beings consistently without plot holes and nerfing the character. Example Superman and Flash. That is the punishment for making characters to OP for live action.
@@Rengokuo4o6 Yeah superman is pretty popular too always has been. Why would it bother me that someone i dont even know likes batman, good for you. If it sucks for anyone its WB who thought oversaturating one character in live action, gaming and animation was the answer and it wasn't 😆. Superman and Flash have plenty of great storylines..great writing is the answer. Not making certain characters too OP but not giving characters like batman ridiculous plot armor either. DCU is in good with James Gunn because he understands these characters.
FINALLY more people are speaking up about this anti-Superman nonsense. Even in his own recent movies, writers act like it’s a bad thing for him to even exist because “What if he turns evil?” meanwhile Batman was deleting and even _branding_ people while acting like he was on the moral high ground. 🤔
When you talk about the idea of a Superman game, I ALWAYS felt it would be best to put him somewhere NOT on Earth. I'd say he should be on Warworld. Since there's no yellow sun so he's got an explanation for weakness and it's alien technology, you'd have the perfect reason for "regular" enemies hurting him.
You know shit is bad when Grant Morrison admitted that they wrote Superman and The Authority only because Dan Didio pretty much said they wanted to make 5G Superman have Injustice moment and so Grant and fellow writers literally needed to take the ship to dodge that Iceberg.
Gotta make people watch Superman vs the Elite
And miss the point of what Superman said in the end. People still keep misintrepeting it
@@Pikashades Dreams is what is needed in this time enough with Edgelord Superman & Snyder aka Manchester Black
@@TheHeston83 you call fantasies dreams without knowing the difference between the two... just like Manchester Black.
Superman vs. the elite is definitely a great movie that understands who Superman is, what he stands for, and why he's still relevant and needed in this world.
"You're living in a dream world." -The Guy Who Claimed Rebel Moon was as Successful as Barbie
captain america in the mcu is still the perfect template for superman
he had faced the morally grey areas since the winter soldier and still being undeniably righteous till the end
This disrespect didn’t start from the SnyderVerse, it's been going on since the DCAMU. They always make Superman a dumbass, give all the cool moments to Batman, and then question why people don't like Superman much. Let me give you some examples.
In Batman/Superman: Public Enemies comic, there was a scene where Future Superman singlehandedly destroyed both current Superman and Batman. That entire scene is cut from the movie.
In Batman/Superman Apocalypse comic, Superman solos Darkseid in their final fight. That is changed in the movie now where Darkseid is beating up Superman.
In JL Doom, they make the whole Justice League into morons just to glaze Batman, talking about some _"We wouldn't do that to you"_
_"Then you're damn fools"_
when in the comic, the conversation doesn’t go like that at all.
Public Enemies -like many comic book adaptations like Hush and Under the Red Hood- cut out many events to make it streamlined and palatable for it's runtime.
Most of the movies you listed are made by zack Snyder though, its still the snyderverse
Superman is a hero that always stuck with me, because he makes me remember that if Superheroes where real, we would get the insane antihero and declining heroes, but we would also get hopeful heroes like Superman that strive to be good for goodness sake, because the world is made of different people, so to see superman be remade as sad sack of sadness so many times, saddens me.
A superman game would work with a mix of nemesis system and small sidequests where you do small quests, like save a cat from a tree to bank robberies, and the harder enemies could have better tech and be more of a menace.
Also how doesn't Brainiac wont come to earth blasting his whole i want your city kneel in front of me.
Yeah cause people want to buy a game where you save a cat from a tree
@@chikgriffin4136 yup they do.
I see people relating to shazam more than superman in the modern society.
I wish that they'll do more with both characters
Agree with the second line totally, have problems with the first. Not that your experience with shazam is invalid, just that 'relatability' is a dumb reason to like any character in any genre so much so that taken to its logical conclusion, it very much leads to what we're seeing now: myopic navel gazing that puts narcissus staring at his own reflection to shame.
@@VunderGuynot really I mean u can find them boring and I'm not disputing that but it's not narscist to want to see ur struggles in a dif way on screen its perfectly valid.
It's also valid to have dif struggles on screen to and if everything's the same no matter what it's gets boring real fast.
The problem if all heroes are relatable to the "common person".
Also there isn't a normal person at all anyway so at best a superhero can relate so some sorts of a person.
If Shazam does that cod some people's that's great if he doesn't that's great too.
As u said relativity doesn't mean good movie it isn't a negative either it's just a thing that exists. Good movie makes good movie
@@jesusgarza7960
Again, since english isn't your first language, let me reiterate. Relatability is absolutely a dumb reason to like a character and leads to dumb, narcissistic, close mindedness that dumb, narcissistic, close minded individuals unironically saying they don't think any character who doesn't look like them is automatically bad. Good characters must do at least one of four things right: being dimensional, fascinating, compelling, and believable. Many hit 2 or 3 of those marks, and the rare few can hit all 4 with flying colors. The positive things you mentioned in your defense of relatability are not actually within its domain and are actually properly attributed to those four other guiding stars I mentioned, hence why so often writers are so surprised that in their attempt to make characters more 'relatable' they miss the mark entirely and get so much criticism for it and never realize they were chasing the wrong thing. See Joe Quesadilla and J Michael Kielbasa and their attempt to make Spider-Man 'more relatable' in One More Day and see the whole remade 'for modern audiences' trend for proof.
Fax shazam is a normal human kid but can become more powerful than a god with a single word give him a strong sense of responsibility like Spider-Man and make him naive due to age but highly intelligent like he can form a complex spell or build an artifact to best a villain but has trouble talking to girls etc. He could have the appeal of Superman but for a teenage audience but don't make him dumb or weak compared to other league members he is magic superman for a reason dude should be a beast.
In that case they should rest superman instead of disrespecting him . He is the only character I like in dc
The biggest reason why "Superman is overpowered" doesn't work is because Superman does not start off as overpowered. He always starts off at a reasonable level of strength. In many cases, he could barely stop a falling plane, doesn't move at lightspeed, and he doesn't start off with heat vision. People call "My Adventures with Superman" Supes weak, but he's usually at that level of power in year 1. He doesn't become overpowered until DECADES into his career, but at that point everybody is overpowered.... especially Batman.
Ehhhh not exactly true, even in the olden days Superman was breaking infinity and doing impossible shit.
@@l0sts0ul89In his very first comic in Action Comics #1 (1939), Superman could only leap over tall buildings in a single bound, run faster than an express train, be durable against bursting shells and be as peoportionally strong as an ant.
@@elijahcarfa3022
That's his very first appearance, a Superman who can't fly or even has the Kent's and Krypton backstory isn't exactly the Superman we know.
@@l0sts0ul89 he had the krypton backstory
But not kents or the powers
He has now
@@user-gj9uq3kb7y yeah and the Kent's are what matters
I literally had someone tell me "superman is boring" just yesterday, after saying I wish rocksteady(arkham team) had made a Superman game.
but like how would you deal with the Superman OP situation in a game format tho, bc if you depowering him Superman fanboys will cry but if you give him accurate strength(including his new Susanoo ability) it's a game shorter than I last in bed.
So I'd really like to know
@@tinytitan8807could be a simple game like sonic.
Sonic is way overpowered but he collects rings and fights eggman.
Superman could save people on a fimi limit while flying idk.make something up. Kratos is op but he gets games. It's not hard I just don't have any thoughts for Superman as he ain't my favorite character.
If I had to id come up with a story based game like telltale or spiderman web of shadows at first it's easy fighting robots, then hard dommdaay mutants and finally medium but compelx story interactions come back yo fight u.
Thing is concepts are easy I'm no writer .
I hate the “Superman is too powerful” argument, because like, Dragon Ball games exist. I’m not going to say Goku and Superman are the same characters, (they have more differences than similarities) but imagine a game like DBZ Kakarot but for Superman. That would be hype!
In the db games the other characters are usually as powerful or more powerful then goku
Superman and Goku AREN'T the same😂 Goku faces challenges and he has to GET stronger with each one.
Superman from the get-go just from Existing with a yellow sun can blow away Universes.
They ARE NOT the same.
One works hard to get stronger the other is born strong.
@@tinytitan8807 Did you read my comment, because I literally said they aren’t the same.
@@vibhumishra2609 You can say the same about Superman. If Superman could solo everything the Justice League would not exist.
@@tinytitan8807yeah no. Goku ends up fighting stronger opponents because he’s a fucking idiot who gives all his villains senzu’s instead of just killing them.
DCs biggest mistake is hiring zack snyder
You can blame Christopher Nolan for that as he was the one who convinced WB to hire him. And knowing Nolan, he must have seen something that WB and you Snyder cultists refused to see.
@@Pikashadesaccording to the Synder Fandom...Synderverse was a masterpiece and a 4hr JL movie was totally watchable
@@jasonhearn5818 only according to the right leaning sect of the cult. Normal people either like it while acknowledging it's flaws or dislike it while acknowledging it's strengths. Then there is the left leaning sect of the cult who just hate it for the sake of hating it.
@@jasonhearn5818
How is it not watchable?
@@dylansharp8471 JL was ok ...4hrs is ridiculous for any movie ...period
Dc atp is pretty much just a Batman fandom.
Tell that to his current comic
They been killing off Batman too much lately too
as a batman GLAZER i can confirm this is actually true. there was a story where he survived space by wearing his underwear over his mouth
Yeah, DC is such a Batman fandom that they greenlit the recent Suicide Squad game, where they execute him in the most pathetic way possible.
@@ArkhamverseJoker
Well, Catwoman sneaked up on the Flash and knocked him out. I guess that meant DC is nothing but a Catwoman fandom, right?
The Telltales games format would work perfectly with Superman, and then they don't have to be creative with the gameplay to work around his powers/weaknesses.
As a Batman fan, I love Superman and hate it when he gets disrespected, he may not be my favorite but I wish we got some live action movies, series, and such with him having his original character, some of Batman's change was very pleasing but I never saw Superman as other than an alien who loves Earth and would do anything to protect the people, he's just such a great character but sadly not enough people love him. I also found the BvS movie to be ridiculous, I grew up watching old Justice League series and I enjoyed seeing these characters and their battles while also being a team, they worked together without being heavily flawed, WonderWoman wasn't a bitch, Batman wasn't this cold heartless loner, Superman wasn't an evil/morally gray character, Flash was well respected, and they didn't make the heroes/heroines villains or corrupted people with power. They're heroes because you learn from them, they save the day and teach you what's morally right.
It’s all WB’s fault not DC
True
The comics can be just as bad as live action and animation ...so both WB/DC are at fault
@@jasonhearn5818 Superman: Lost, Superman War World saga and Superman rebirth are all fye comics that got released this past 10 years even new 52 action comics: Superman was a nice revamp
WB just have a hate boner for Superman and love boner for Batman.
@HELLO_KORO too bad none of that was applied to live action, animation or gaming
You mean the people who stand for Deciet, Supression, and The Tyranical Way is against the Symbol of Truth Justice and The American Way? The people running dc state that they relate more to the villians.
I agree i don't really care that much about superman but to say he's boring and impossible to write forget the comics exist for them to adapt. I liked the Alex ross story where he goes to a different country to try to help the 3rd world country by giving them supplies but the assholes of that country that take advantage of their own citizens was willing to take it from them. When sups tried to stand up for them The assholes were like "you can't be at two places at once, you gotta go back to your country some day" knowing he can't do a damn thing once he leaves. Shows that Sups has to face other forces that aren't aliens or monsters, it's humans bringing harm to themselves.
You can write so many superman stories that challenges his moral.
Have him explore his kryptonian heritage
Have him teach supergirl what it means to be humans.
Have him uses his intellect instead of his brute strength. Crazy how an anime Superman is able to produce something that is claimed to be impossible
Before there were Supervillains, Superman would confront immoral people who uphold corruption in society like warmongerers, greedy millionaires making it hard for their employees, and he even fought nazis before the US did. Superman has always been about confronting problems you can't just punch away and it's so frustrating how often people overlook that.
One of my favorite Superman moments is when he suppoorted someone ready to end their own life because he cares about the little people.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought BVS lex luthor was basically the riddler masquerading as luthor. Thanks for that, for real.
“You’re living in a dream world” wow, no wonder why Zack Snyder sucked at bringing Superman back to the big screen. He’s literally irl Manchester Black.
Do you know the difference between dreams and fantasies?
@@Pikashades relevant because?
@@johnnyjacksted6528 Dreams can come true, fantasies cannot. And Superman's dream ended up becoming true later in the comics during PJK's Action Comics run when Manchester Black became a good guy who followed Superman to War World as a part of his Authority team.
It's relevant in talking about things that CAN come true and work, contrast to things that cannot become true without forcing them with outside influence.
Another example could be the For The Man Who Has Everything story, where Superman was living in a fantasy world created by the Black Mercy and had to, to quote Snyder, WAKE THE FUCK UP.
Zack Snyder went with the Dream path in telling his 3/5 Superman story with David Goyer and Chris Terrio working with him in a realistic way with what they had started to work with.
On the other end, we have people who use the Fantasy path in wanting Superman to be ONE WAY and not any other way, aka forcing Superman like how Manchester Black wanted Superman to be like them or die to get out of their way.
Snyder was never like Manchester Black, the people who hate him are. The only mistake he made was say "Dream world" instead of "Fantasy World."
@@Pikashades Superhero stories are fictions which mean they are fantasies. If he couldn’t adapt fantasies to be engaging to the audience by blaming them for living in a dream world, then he failed as a director.
@@nont18411 What you're so saying is that Snyder was never a dictator.
Here's however how I see the distinction:
Dreams can come true if you're able to balance the values that you live with the reality that you live in. It's what I see as the Truth and Ideals concept in writing character arcs for fictional character.
If you have a dream and can work towards making it come true, then you have managed to do by balancing those two.
BUT, if you cannot do that and end up resorting to force the world into changing instead to match up with your values, LIKE THE ELITE DID, then what you have is a fantasy, not a dream. And with a fantasy, you need to eventually "WAKE THE FUCK UP" from it.
Take For the Man who has Everything as an example, that story had Superman living in a fantasy world where he got to grow up on Krypton and had a family. But because it was fantasy built on a what-if scenario, he eventually had to choose to WAKE UP.
That ending was gas man you cooked so hard with this video
Actually Rocksteady did pitch a superman game, but WB wanted all their games to be live service for the future.
Jason Schreier confirmed Rocksteady never pitched or worked on a Superman game
@@MEnterprises01wait so the parasite and bizarro concept arts aren’t real?
Another thing about DCEU's Superman is he never seemed sure if he should help people. Someone always had to tell him to go help people. Even in the Black Adam post credit scene, Amanda Waller told him to go fight Black Adam. Why did it take her for Superman to go fight him? Why did they try to make Amanda Waller like Nick Fury? Who put her in charge of everything?
Back in the early 2010s, Superman was constantly disrespected. Media like Injustice, DCEU/Man Of Steel, and New 52 all reinforced the general audience's notion that Superman is a dull, lame, bland boy scout, which is FAR from the truth. However, it is understandable why people would think that given how DC media treated the character. I really believe we are currently living in an era of a *Superman Renaissance in media* , now more than ever, I believe audiences are beginning to slowly fall in love with the character once again as we are finally being treated Superman content that genuinely understands what makes Superman such an essential character in today's culture. For example, the animated Superman show "My Adventures With Superman", that came out last year is such a breath of fresh air and a wonderful take on Superman/Clark Kent, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen (my favourite take on Jimmy, in fact). The romance between Lois and Clark is TOO ADORABLE (played amazingly by Jack Quaid and Alice Lee) and wholesome while maintaining an interesting overarching story that feels fresh and unique. The show may not be perfect; some of the villains, like General Lane, Parasite, Dr. Ivo and Mr Myxzptlk, are great; however, others, like Livewire, Silver Banshee, Deathstroke, etc., are kind of boring and a bit of a downgrade from their comic counterparts, plus some of their designs are bland. But you know what, regardless of those criticisms, it just makes me so happy to see Superman get the respect he deserves again. Not just MAWS, but media like *Superman & Lois* , the current *Joshua Willaimson comic run of Superman* and of course *James Gunn's upcoming Superman: Legacy* which so far sounds amazing and sounds like he truly understands the character, stating this is a movie about *"the power of compassion in a cynical world"* which is everything Ive ever wanted to see in a Superman movie. Superman is a phenomenal character to me and my favourite superhero. One of the reasons why Superman works is because everything he stands for will always be timeless and doesn't need to be modernised to fit today's ideals or values; we need to learn to open ourselves up to his ideals and values, and rather than being embarrassed by Superman, we should open ourselves up to him. Fortunately, the character finally has a bright future ahead of him.
Acting like boy scout is an insult when using boy scout as an insult was developed by worthless hippies who couldn't and didn't accomplish anything in their lives.
New 52 Superman was pretty good when written by Morrison and Pak.
Lol just bcs jimmy is black? The best jimmy olsen that actually comic accurate is from Superman Returns 2006
*2:46**I still cannot Believe DCEU killed Lex Luthor 10 years before Superman was Born & replace him with Alexander Jr(Litterally he hasn't been relevant in comics since The Death Of Superman) as Sups Rival*
I’ve lost respect for Zack Snyder recently, so playing that clip of his reaction of fans criticizing his depiction of Superman juxtaposed with that scene in Superman vs The Elite was fire. And poetic justice.
“you’re living in a dream world” bro you’re literally adapting a comic book 😭 snyder seems like a chill dude and his direction definitely works in certain contexts, superman just isnt one of them
@@leeb5112 I lost respect for Snyder because he hired Mags Visaggio to work on the tie-in comic for Rebel Moon. For the record, this isn’t me being transphobic, this is me calling a spade a spade. And I’m aware of how Mags has a reputation for getting books cancelled after not selling, and generally grifting off the industry and her supporters.
@@Waaagh40KRed i respect trans people but i also dislike vissagio
did you see what was written in vissagios backup for action comics and what it was supposedly meant to lead into ?
Bruh he’s a trash director. Look at his critics scores. With his new rebel moon even audiences trash his film. He can’t make coherent movies. The fact you had any respect for him is halarious. Dudes been terrible and he’s a comic book nerd. You can’t have a fanboy make films when they suck at it.
@@user-zh5lj1ec4k Separating the art from the artist, I like the Dawn of the Dead remake and the Snyder Cut of Justice League.
I think the damage injustice did to superman come from the fact that people think the pitch of the story is what would happened if Lois was killed. When the pitch is what would happen if Superman became an evil dictator.
This started with Frank Miller. Sorry but I'll forever hate him for making Supes a villainous attack dog in The Dark Knight Return.
Frank Miller is overrated I don't even like his version of Batman, Dennis O'Neil's version is the true Batman in my opinion because that's the character that has been the base for Kevin's Batman and the other animated versions everyone grew to love.
Hopefully the new Superman film doesn’t pull a TASM2 and have great casting, trailers, CGI, etc. but ultimately being badly written due to studio interference
I used to be one of the “Superman is boring, he’s not a good character in the modern world” then I read Superman comics…dude fucking owns!
Most fans hate and disrespect Superman too, calling him a "Gary Stu", "overpowered" and believing the preposterous notion that mortal Batman can beat him in a fight.
I can't tell if this is a troll or a real comment. Well done😂
The three characters that take the most away from the modern appeal of Superman are Batman, Captain America, & Goku. DC has pretty much chosen Batman as their champion b/c of his dominance in almost every medium (TV, movies, video games, graphic novels, etc...). Cap has become the ultimate boy scout in the eyes of the general public due to the MCU. And while Dragon Ball started out as the Japanese version of Journey to the West, DBZ pretty much retconned the franchise to be Akira Toriyama's own Superman story. But future adaptations could possibly combine the best aspects of all three and rejuvenate Supes' popularity again.
Captain america has appeal ?
@@elfascisto6549 It ain't the pre-2014s anymore. Even a talking raccoon & tree have been out-grossing Superman. Winter Soldier made $714 million worldwide while Man of Steel made $670 million.
My final unpopular opinion: batman's contingency plan SHOULD be joint collective effort from Batman, Superman, Flash, martian manhunter, the question, Mr. Terrific, Blue Beetle and Green arrow. Batman and green arrow because they have the resources to make some progress.
Superman and flash becuase they have the knowledge, resources and intelligence to make contingency plans capable to taking down super humans (superman fortress of solitude has all kinds of sci fi weapons like a gravity gun that ages you due to time dilation for example and flash can build advance tech like ).
Blue beetle and Mr terrific can help speed up the process of making contingency plans. Martian manhunter and the question can gather more info of super humans. You see there are other detectives that exist outside of batman in the DC universe.
And The Question should be the 1st one who advised batman to make contingency plans because the justice league had a recent battle with some super villains and one of them mind controlled firestorm, fire, ice thus compromising the heroes. Batman being hesitant at 1st but eventually coming to terms that it can happen again and at the same time clark appears to bruce to talk to him about contingency plans for the league if they become rogue.
So now the contingency plans come of less like it was made by a paranoid man in a bat suit and more like the dc equivalent of the cole protocol from halo or the corruptor protocol from halo.
Nah that's a fire idea, idk how i never thought of that idea before.
exactly Batman comes off a more paraonoid Iron Man
Not a bad idea
Tbf.Superman beat Batman to a pulp in the Sacrifice storyline after Tower of Babel which solidified the need for a paranoid Batman.
@kingtiger5040 another stupid batman glazer
3:22
Because Cia agents are well known for using their real names on missions, and DON'T USE CODENAMES AT ALL seriously at least don't straight up lie.
They have turned him into a weakling, and a wimp, easily mind controlled, and of average intelligence at best. Forget that they wanted to make him more human bs. They have made Batman invincible, infallible, and practically invulnerable, even when he’s not wearing an armored suit. The tiniest piece of Kryptonite weakens him as much as a giant boulder. He doesn’t even try to fight it. Lose to Batman. He should have been able to smash that arrogant puts in two seconds flat.
What are you talking about? Batman isn't invincible you pulled that out of nowhere. And Superman is not weak.
James Gunns Insiprations have made me confident also he took a B-List Superhero in GOTG and made them A-LIsters
also for Snyders Superman Superman its realistic take which I don't mind I give it some leeway but I am hoping For a more optimistic Superman akin to Superman(1978) in Superman(2025)
I feel like suicide squad kill the Justice League would have been better if they didn’t have street level heroes beat the JL
There plot armor is so bad that they can kill brainiac, a multiverse level threat but the JL couldn’t 😭😭😭😭😭
Here's my unpopular opinion: Superman's weakness should only be red sun radiation, lead and sensory overload; NOT Kryptonite, magic, psionics or any other crap like that. There I said it. You can't stop me.
Why I say red sun radiation? Because his planet was under a red sun which means no kryptonian superpowers. Lead is obvious since x ray vision is useless to lead because that how radiation works (Gamma radiation is a minor exception but not really an exception) and sensory overload because superhuman senses would still a pain threshold.
You can have red sun radiation be lethal to superman. just have it at higher doses and the symptoms of high enough red sun radiation can be akin to skin cancer or leukemia but these symptoms should be reversible, just place the him around a regular sun like ours.
I hate kryptonite, I am tired of kryptonite, I want it to be obsolete and I am tired of keeping that controversial opinion inside of me. It's just a dumb weakness in general when RED SUN RADIATION IS RIGHT THERE.
Also Martian Manhunter weakness to fire SHOULD ONLY BE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND NOT PHYSICAL!!!
And Captain atom SHOULDN'T blow up every time he exist. Here's an idea for him. Make his entire body made of the dilestel steel that he was made from in the comics but instead of just his skin, you can include every body part and the quantum energy could be akin his blood or any other bodily fluid.
Technically, Superman isn't weak to magic he just has no resistance to it. If I threw a magic infused punch at him, he'd take the exact same damage as Green Arrow.
I don't understand what brought this up and it's not like red sunlight being a prominent weakness given focus and all the other vectors also being present are mutually exclusive.
@@VunderGuy I don't know maybe green radioactive rock is stupid and red sun radiation is much better. It's a hard pill to swallow but we all need to do it. It also shows that there's a limit to what radiation superman can absorb without having to do mental gymnastics. Kryptonians can't absorb long wave radiation (anything before light)but everything that shortwave (visible light all the way to gamma ) radiation they can.
@@joshuabrown6461 Even then, Superman still has higher defenses than Green Arrow, so he would be able to take more damage.
Captain Atom IS only dilestel, hes a pure energy being now. Only like DC zombies did that dumb shit
if you don’t blow up my friend the youtube algorithm is trippin, love the work you do keep it up!
Man you were cooking in this video amazing work finally some respect on my main supes.
The problem is you're trying to sell a Superman idea to a generation of Lex Luthor's. I've done my own social study on behalf of comic books in todays era due to my own personal interests in creating comics and characters and the ultimate conclusion I've come to is the audience is too morally foul to understand or appreciate characters who are purely good like Spider-Man and Superman. Everyone has the exact same argument that "the boy scout goodness of Superman is boring" but...... So is the all powerful bully and douchebag no one can stop which is another trope thats been ran into the floor in the last 6 years. Plus if you as a person find Goodness to be boring that just says a lot about you and your interests.
The modern reader is a snob for all of the wrong reasons and whats worse is they can't satiate their own story written cravings themselves or there would be more to choose from which also tells you most people criticizing dont know wtf theyre talking about. New writing constraints have fallen upon comics and character archetypes which dampened the entire craft and now as a person who was once completely in love with comics I couldn't hate them any more than I currently do since all that's selling are foul carbon copies of preexisting characters with decades worth of better lore thats simply being ignored by mainstream media. The respect and grace that came with the idea behind Superheroes has been completely corrupted by this era and now every hero has been broken, tarnished or theres a trillion versions coming out per week so you can't identify with any of them since they're just a flavor of the week.
Marvel, DC, Disney and WB are showing us how soulless manufactured characters are done when they have no focus and mindlessly advertise fusion characters (or joke or half characters) with no direction, story, or unique aspect to offer. Instead of capitalizing on the inner good of people and influencing them to let it surface theyre glorifying and justifying everyone's inner asshole and fetishist by arguing theyre more "realistic".
Imagination, creativity, style and wonder have been replaced by historic/cultural accuracy, realism, nihilism, and the utmost pedantic audience that ruins both old, new, forgotten, good and bad. Especially under the guise of inclusivity, which is now just a synonym for "Ruin" since it wont allow a story to focus on jack shit that isn't a kameo.
That's a long way to say you need simple 1 dimensional characters and don't like your ideals and morales being challenged. No reason to get upset that the average reader has progressed past a 3rd grade understanding of literature meanwhile you're still fascinated by cave paintings. We all have our interests
I love your channel. Literally saying what we all want. Straight up if they just made the comics into movies the movies would do better.
I hope James Gunn saves Superman, because i love the character of supes, he is such a kind soul, read all-star superman, it honestly just makes you happy.
Ending with a battered, bruised, near defeated Superman giving a rousing speech, as if he was talkin to DC directly, was perfection.
Superman & Lois is one of the few modern Superman adaptations that I quite enjoy. We get to see Clark as a father juggling a family life while still being the savior figure for the world.
It’s one of the most grounded and relatable versions of the character.
Captain America trilogy is goated. CA reminded me so much of Superman in his personality. I know nothing about comic CA but the movie iteration is one of the best characters ever.
Comic Captain America is mor political and stubborn too.
Man wasn't willing to save his own universe if it meant killing another world.
He's a dif type of man a extremists if u will but he holds his values to a t
No matter how much disrespect my bro gets,he is somehow still best fictional character OAT.
The fact that Marvel can get a B comic book like guardians of the Galaxy to be loved by millions, be a huge box office draw..... And Superman can't even get a decent movie is criminal!!!! Hey DC, call me, call people like me who are real comics fans, and we will give you a REAL Super man character and movie!!!!..... Get it done!!!.....
As a major Superman fan and DC fan, I would have to agree with this. Superman needs more respect on his name.
Did Snyder seriously quote Manchester black? Fuck me how did this man ever get a job at DC?
Heres to hoping James Gunn can do him justice
The real Superman woulda stopped Brainiac SO Brainiac wouldnt get close to Metropolis. The real Superman would be the one asking the League for help to stop Brainiac as soon as he came to Earth. Or he woulda handled Braniac himself.
Real superhero fans understand the characters