I hate how Steppenwolf is a generic conqueror, the OG Steppenwolf was Darkseid's uncle and lead strategist. He was the only person who could talk shit to Darkseid and joke with him because he was supposed to be a legend in his own right and everyone kind of respected him. Now he's some space barbarian jobber who looks cool until Darkseid comes back with the milk. Also, I liked how wonky the original New Gods' designs were.
"Hey superman, I need you to get something into space for us" Of course Mr.president id be happy to help with scientific missions "Oh no it's not for some scientific thing" What is it then? "Space laser" What? "Giant fucking space lasers so I can beam some motherfucker"
@@oldylad Ronald Reagan was pos president known for making the aids crisis worse and ignoring economic problems in the black communities. He's was pretty stupid too wanting to defund particle research in favour of giant spaceasers he thought would be the next big weapon. He also created trickle down economics where he believed reducing taxes for the rich would create more jobs and spread wealth but instead it just made the rich richer and shifted the tax burden onto the middle class making cost of living rise.
20:59 the way how the New Gods work, is that they are always the same variants no matter the universe. Using avatar-like duplicants, with the real forms of them being in the god sphere. Which operates beyond the multiverse. The characterization is the only real issue across versions, minus Darkseid, who’s conscious was shattered during Final Crisis
@@oldmanlogan9616 well we already knew they were above the multiverse since the 80s they weren’t effected by Crisis On Infinite Earths resetting the multiverse. So Morrison just went further by explaining it. But yeah. I do agree it would be better if they were just separate variants across the multiverse. But like other 5D beings, they are always the same no matter the continuity
This is disproven because of countless examples, but one I can think of is Teen Titans Go! Darkseid is a joke in that show. Trying to make them “exist outside the omniverse” is so stupid. Omniverse is all of existence. there can’t be anything outside of it. Sounds like they’re trying to make them OG Mary sues self insert OC who are better than every other character ever
After reading Earth 2, I personally would like a comic about that version of the Superfamily. Have a Clark Kent who lost his powers and now is a normal journalist, his wife Lois Lane who is a cyborg Red Tornado and thier adoptive daughter Kara/Power Girl, it would be really interesting to see thier dynamic together, but alas.
I stopped reading it around Convergence event. Tie-ins were sweet, but the main story sucked. Pretty clear, it was to set up Earth 2 Society and we all know how mind numbing that boy gets.
James Robinson exit really hurt the new Earth 2 concept. It should be a new world to the JSA , where they are legacy characters, instead become a generic world
I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't really like the new 52 because in the beginning it was confusing with what was canon and what wasn't.I felt a lot of the changes felt uncharacteristic but earth 2 was so different that it didn't feel like a pale imitation but a rejuvenated concept.It did sadly dip in quality but a lot of what it introduced was interesting even if not executed the best.
So I didn’t have a problem with Alan Scott being gay in Earth 2 but I did when they retconned Old Alan Scott in the main universe as gay. The reason I for this is because Earth was a parallel world so it was fine for a new take on the character. But it didn’t make any sense to change him in the main universe. Also him being gay takes away from his son Obsidian, a long time hero who’s been out for years. Nowadays they don’t give any focus to him which is a shame
I agree. I do think representation of minorities is important and there are great LGBT characters like Batwoman, Obsidian, Constantine, Midnighter, Maggie Sawyer, etc. but when they do that thing of turning characters that had existed for a long time gay, like Alan Scott or Velma from Scooby Doo, and want to make it like they've always been secretly gay. I really doubt the writers that came before wrote these characters with that in mind and because of that it feels fake for me when they suddenly come out of the closet. Almost like a pay-off without a set up.
@@tabarebruch6257 Batwoman was revamped as gay same with Constantine real gay characters would be Hawk and Dove, the others are forced inclusion is just that you do not know the characters.
I grew up reading comics from my local library cuz I didn’t have enough to go out and buy them at comic shops and didn’t have the means to read them online, lots of libraries had books like marvels civil war or dc earth one and earth 2 series, I grew to love earth 2 as a series bcuz of all its problems, it literally felt like a world where it’s characters were always fighting for freedom and peace even when it seemed like it was out of their reach, I always admired that and I’m glad that I now know that they had a sorta happy ending
I read The Justice Society from 2007 back in 2018 and while I don't remember much it was a very fun comic that made me realize DC is more then The Justice League. I was wondering if you could do a video on the X-Force books. Like a rise and fall type of video.
I really loved how interconnected it all was right off the bat! Reading a bunch of issues that were tied together... trying to make everything relevant. It seemed pretty exciting at the time- like World's Finest with Power Girl and Huntress. There were also some cosmic DC issues too but I can't remember them very well lol Captain Karrot reboot or somethin... But alas! It's good to hear I didn't miss much by not finishing it
FINALLY, someone talks about this!!! This has bothered me for a decade, also the fact that had this series been successful, it would have effectively replaced the original JSA
I like the idea of pre-reboot characters getting their own section of a multiverse where they can continue to exist while the mainline works continue. If someone has an idea for those particular characters, they can make it whenever. The key is that these stories stay somewhat infrequent to not overuse the setting and advance them enough to be in line with the mainline.
First of all welcome back dude love seeing your videos and second I actually kind of liked Earth too, As a kid. Now looking back on it and mainly watching this video yeah it was a mess the only thing I really did like if it was val-zod
Loved Earth 2 Society, possibly the only comic book series I read twice. A new setting, a new home, new heroes fitting in old roles. Wished they made a continuation.
I've been bothered for years that Steppenwolf was clearly killed off in this series, but has reappeared ever since, with no explanation of how and when he was resurrected. Since then there have been several soft reboots that could explain it. But he reappeared before the Rebirth Era. It just doesn't make sense... But it's DC's practice to ignore their own continuity as it suits them.
It’s so odd hearing Dan Abnett get brought up in something not related to Warhammer. He’s a fantastic author and the fact that he managed to drag something good out of the cluster that is this story is nothing short of incredible. I love his Vampirella stories in particular
Man I've been meaning to check out Vampirealla for years. For whatever reason I intend to read it anytime I see it mentioned. Thrn completely forget about it existing until I see it mentioned again. S*its so annoying.😢😂
I feel the same way. When Earth-2 launched, I was interested because it was James Robinson. I adore his Starman series and if we HAD to have someone do this new 52 version, I was happy it was him. I even enjoyed some of what Tom Taylor did, especially with the final moments of Brutaal. But like you said, things went to hell during World's End. It was like a disaster movie that kept going and going and going. I checked in on Society but the art was an immediate turn off. I wonder how Earth-2 would've played out had Robinson stayed. Would we have eventually gotten a crossover with the Justice League? What was the ultimate goal with the war with Darkseid? We'll never know. And let me finish by saying I loved your Superboy and Kid Flash video, and after seeing this one, I'm excited to see what you do next. Keep up the good work!
Others have said it but rest in peace to Benny or the Comicstorian, he was a legend and for a time I wanted to do comic book RUclips before I realized how impossible it’d be to learn the lore and keep up, he seemed like an amazing person and I hope those left behind are doing as good as they can be
I’m adding you to my subscription list for the future! Your videos are truly fantastic so far and I’m very grateful for them especially because there was another feature that I was excited to look at this morning but the website is not working properly and I was feeling very depressed and stressed out until I found your videos. Keep up the great work and thanks again for making a hard day for me somewhat easier. Fantastic job on this analysis! There are certainly some stories you talked about here that I will have to look into. Once again I’m very glad that I added you to my list!
Yep I remember skipping Worlds End during its initial release. I was already reading Earth 2 and Futures End and didn’t need to get even more depressed. 😢 New 52 editorial really was on a doom and gloom kick back then Read Earth 2, skip Worlds End, read the side stuff for Convergence and maybe give Society a try.
20:56 man if I had a nickel for everytime multiversal singularities caused absolute fucking headaches in continuity, I’d have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
2:41 that’s not what’s happening. They’re in separate beds. This panel just makes it seem like they’re sharing a bed, but the literal next panel shows they’re in two different beds. Weird that they share a room, but they are not sharing a bed
Earth-2 Worlds End was so bad that Darkseid destroying their planet was the highlight. 😂 The bad guy looked like the good guy ironically. XD He ended there bad failed plot lines.
I still love and prefer the OG Earth 1 & 2. Reading those stories evoke within me, feelings of optimism and the blind pursuit of a better tomorrow. Similar feeling I get from Alex Ross's DC art.
Realistically. People would be racist towards Calvin Harris and deny him as being black because he doesn’t have African ancestry. This is based on real life of people say the Andaman Islanders who are considered black yet people deny them that because they don’t have African ancestry. Even though they were labeled the same way Africans were as black. Because many people forget blackness is a label and never a genetic one. With the whole Tyla coloured situation exposing some of that.
Fun fact, Earth 2 was refferenced heavily in a conversation between Val Zod and Jonathan Kent in the Young Super-Man storyline, although that would be wasted potential after Ultra-Man trapped Val and Red Tornado Lois in the Phantom Zone, and Injustice Superman killed Ultra-man before Johnathan could even make a move in that fight.
Prob because the original Earth 2 characters were removed. If the book had done well enough, that version of Jay would have pushed the original's Jay away from new readers
honestly, my biggest issue with the 52 JSA is Jay's stupid helmet and Allan's lack of a cape. i could get into my problems with the writting but i'll spare you the time wasted if i did
I grew up with the revival Justice Society before the 52 and it took me a while to figure out why I enjoyed it: it felt like a family. There were the teens, the grandpas, some adults. Everyone figuring things out and helping each other and while not always perfect and with conflict, in the end they loved each other like a family. It was nice to see, for example, Alan Scott going from homophobe to appreciate his gay son and his son's partner. Or Coutney and Billy Bartson attempt romance and figuring things out. I was so excited over Kingdom Come Superman of all people showing up! It was an amazing run. I loved Starman, Robinson's run with Jack Knight was simply amazing and one of my favorites of all time, so I had high expectations of Earth-2. I had loathed everything Nu-52 brought to the table. Then... hope slowly but surely got snufed out.
the DC Special issue with the first adventure of the Justice Society is great. Batman and Superman are on the team though they werent in the original run of All Star Comics much
For all its vaults I’ll forever love Earth 2 for how well it shows just how big a threat Darkseid and the forces of Apokalips are when the heroes don’t have plot armour.
Funnily enough I was just thinking about this series & wondered how it ended. Your video kinda confirms what I remembered of Worlds End, shame a new Earth 2 that can't rely on the old recognisable superheroes always sounded fascinating.
From the little I read of Earth 2 I enjoyed it, I liked the reinterpretation of Jay and how he recognized that he needed to grow as a person. As for Alan Scott, I'm always a sucker for his character
I feel like steppenwolf showed his potential as a main villain in the first arc of the comic. Zack Snyder must have read this and thought what a great idea it was to replace him with evil superman as well.
Some of this book sounds absolutely stellar. Reigniting the original concept for the JSA outside of usual DC continuity is a great way to honour the characters... But they really couldnt help themselves. They just HAD to introduce Batman and Superman, and after only 16 issues!
I’ve always loved the JSA, both in the golden age and when they became apart of new earth. Any story that had them crossover with the JL had me cheesing. I tried to get on board with this new reboot but I never got past Alan Scot’s new origin. I just couldn’t
Honestly I can kind of get behind the JSA themselves being a foundation in the main DC universe. But also really always liked the idea of them being an alternate earth initially, since it actually did alot more for the multiverse changes then just "changing some characters' skin" as alot of them tend to. So it was honestly pretty cool that they kind of had a compromise, making a semi-modern JSA with designs that I honestly all really really liked. Such a shame that it just never took off, though.
It sucks how many years I followed this series, to see how many things that were missed opportunity, but I'm glad with all the failures and hiccups along the way, the series managed to have a decent ending, even if anti climactic.
Sounds like a lot of the problem is writers not communicating with other writers or not knowing what the background (or CURRENT background) for their characters is.
I really dug what James Robinson was going for with New 52 Earth-2 and how he tied together so many disparate JSA characters into a ragtag group of rogues + some of the more overt character differences (like Wonder Woman being married to Steppenwolf & having a Furie for a daughter)…but I think he heart stopped being in it once he saw how little of a dent it made at that point of his career. He wrote extensively about it in the Image series “Airboy” and really just vents about how DC saw him as the “Golden Age Character Guy” ever since he wrote the masterpiece that is Starman in the 90s through to 2002/2003
turning earth 2 green lantern gay was THE bigest problem that should have buried that run before it properly released wanna make a new green lantern? wanna make him gay? MAKE A NEW CHARACTER don't ruin a character that everyone knows shit like that is why comics are dying painfully don't take known characters and don't fucking change and ruin them make new characters completely and when they destroy everything people know? you have to like it or you're -phobic or -cist while being 100% correct
Eehhh isnt this a parrallel earth? Isnt twisting heroes and exploring new takes the whole reason parallel earths exist? I understand what you are saying but taking known characters and changing them is the reason why the multiverse exists in these kind of stories
Honestly I enjoyed Earth 2 New 52 run And the reason why I enjoyed it is because it's what I wanted the new 52 to be where you have your own book and you're doing whatever you want to in that continuity without affecting the main continuity I wish Earth to was the new 52 and let us still have post crisis because nobody asks for flashpoint. And because Earth to New 52 didn't have any continuity or anything I could relatively enjoy it even though sometimes it was frustrating to read We just felt like damn these heroes can't catch a break.
26:48 Telos has learned that he had live before becoming servant of Brainiac with family and kids, Dick lost contact with his son and was searching for him. Warlord died before in it's own series, so it's nothing new.
I hate how Steppenwolf is a generic conqueror, the OG Steppenwolf was Darkseid's uncle and lead strategist. He was the only person who could talk shit to Darkseid and joke with him because he was supposed to be a legend in his own right and everyone kind of respected him. Now he's some space barbarian jobber who looks cool until Darkseid comes back with the milk.
Also, I liked how wonky the original New Gods' designs were.
Writers just saw justice league DCCU steppenwolf and said "ah so that's the guy"
@@Ryzard He's been like that since the New 52, way before the movies. He started looking like a generic barbarian in the '90s though.
@@hyperion3145 yes
Watching this makes me feel a bit better about being bad at keeping track of names in stories with a large cast because I'm clearly not the only one.
I can't believe they made Pepsi Man black.
We all know he's yellow.
Even the writers forget so yeah
R.I.P Comicstorain
What do you mean?
@@PsevdonimKanalaNahuy He's a youtuber who covered comics, recently passed away
@@internetuser969 fr?
*Comicstorian
he will be missed
Superman casually standing next to Ronald Reagan will never not be funny to me
"Hey superman, I need you to get something into space for us"
Of course Mr.president id be happy to help with scientific missions
"Oh no it's not for some scientific thing"
What is it then?
"Space laser"
What?
"Giant fucking space lasers so I can beam some motherfucker"
How is it funny?
@@oldylad Ronald Reagan was pos president known for making the aids crisis worse and ignoring economic problems in the black communities. He's was pretty stupid too wanting to defund particle research in favour of giant spaceasers he thought would be the next big weapon. He also created trickle down economics where he believed reducing taxes for the rich would create more jobs and spread wealth but instead it just made the rich richer and shifted the tax burden onto the middle class making cost of living rise.
🤓@@oldylad
@@benedictator4763no seriously, why
20:59 the way how the New Gods work, is that they are always the same variants no matter the universe. Using avatar-like duplicants, with the real forms of them being in the god sphere. Which operates beyond the multiverse. The characterization is the only real issue across versions, minus Darkseid, who’s conscious was shattered during Final Crisis
Thats very lame
Diferent versions of them existising across the multiverse is way cooler.
@@oldmanlogan9616 well we already knew they were above the multiverse since the 80s they weren’t effected by Crisis On Infinite Earths resetting the multiverse. So Morrison just went further by explaining it. But yeah. I do agree it would be better if they were just separate variants across the multiverse. But like other 5D beings, they are always the same no matter the continuity
@@oldmanlogan9616 Are you saying that Jack Kirby is lame?
@@joeker5208right
This is disproven because of countless examples, but one I can think of is Teen Titans Go! Darkseid is a joke in that show.
Trying to make them “exist outside the omniverse” is so stupid. Omniverse is all of existence. there can’t be anything outside of it. Sounds like they’re trying to make them OG Mary sues self insert OC who are better than every other character ever
I just hate that the New 52 Era was full of Edgy writing that was done to be “different”. It dated the books then and it dates it even worse now
Yeah, definitely
You're a furry.
Shut up and stay away from my pets.
After reading Earth 2, I personally would like a comic about that version of the Superfamily.
Have a Clark Kent who lost his powers and now is a normal journalist, his wife Lois Lane who is a cyborg Red Tornado and thier adoptive daughter Kara/Power Girl, it would be really interesting to see thier dynamic together, but alas.
What is with specifically Green Lanterns’ love interests being killed for motivational origin purposes?
Unfortunately that has become a tradition now.
How many times has it happened outside of earth 2 and kyle?
I mean, overcoming grief with willpower is kinda good (and "lazy" to write but anyway)
Exactly,it happened like 8 times, especially with Kyle
Of course the Green Lantern's love interest got fridged, OF COURSE
I actually really liked Earth 2 because Darkseid won. I hated Earth 2 society though. I've always thought it should have ended at worlds end
I stopped reading it around Convergence event. Tie-ins were sweet, but the main story sucked. Pretty clear, it was to set up Earth 2 Society and we all know how mind numbing that boy gets.
James Robinson exit really hurt the new Earth 2 concept. It should be a new world to the JSA , where they are legacy characters, instead become a generic world
I thought Earth 2 was the best of the New 52 but it did get annoying with the whole citizens hating superheroes for no reason bit
I wholeheartedly agree. I didn't really like the new 52 because in the beginning it was confusing with what was canon and what wasn't.I felt a lot of the changes felt uncharacteristic but earth 2 was so different that it didn't feel like a pale imitation but a rejuvenated concept.It did sadly dip in quality but a lot of what it introduced was interesting even if not executed the best.
So I didn’t have a problem with Alan Scott being gay in Earth 2 but I did when they retconned Old Alan Scott in the main universe as gay. The reason I for this is because Earth was a parallel world so it was fine for a new take on the character. But it didn’t make any sense to change him in the main universe. Also him being gay takes away from his son Obsidian, a long time hero who’s been out for years. Nowadays they don’t give any focus to him which is a shame
I agree. I do think representation of minorities is important and there are great LGBT characters like Batwoman, Obsidian, Constantine, Midnighter, Maggie Sawyer, etc. but when they do that thing of turning characters that had existed for a long time gay, like Alan Scott or Velma from Scooby Doo, and want to make it like they've always been secretly gay. I really doubt the writers that came before wrote these characters with that in mind and because of that it feels fake for me when they suddenly come out of the closet. Almost like a pay-off without a set up.
That’s what I’ve been saying.
@@tabarebruch6257 Batwoman was revamped as gay same with Constantine real gay characters would be Hawk and Dove, the others are forced inclusion is just that you do not know the characters.
@@dontbothertoreply9755 The silver age Batwoman and the modern one are two separate characters.
@@dontbothertoreply9755The version of Batwoman that was introduced during the aftermath of Infinite Crisis debuted as a lesbian
I grew up reading comics from my local library cuz I didn’t have enough to go out and buy them at comic shops and didn’t have the means to read them online, lots of libraries had books like marvels civil war or dc earth one and earth 2 series, I grew to love earth 2 as a series bcuz of all its problems, it literally felt like a world where it’s characters were always fighting for freedom and peace even when it seemed like it was out of their reach, I always admired that and I’m glad that I now know that they had a sorta happy ending
I read The Justice Society from 2007 back in 2018 and while I don't remember much it was a very fun comic that made me realize DC is more then The Justice League.
I was wondering if you could do a video on the X-Force books. Like a rise and fall type of video.
I really loved how interconnected it all was right off the bat! Reading a bunch of issues that were tied together... trying to make everything relevant. It seemed pretty exciting at the time- like World's Finest with Power Girl and Huntress. There were also some cosmic DC issues too but I can't remember them very well lol Captain Karrot reboot or somethin... But alas! It's good to hear I didn't miss much by not finishing it
FINALLY, someone talks about this!!! This has bothered me for a decade, also the fact that had this series been successful, it would have effectively replaced the original JSA
I like the idea of pre-reboot characters getting their own section of a multiverse where they can continue to exist while the mainline works continue. If someone has an idea for those particular characters, they can make it whenever. The key is that these stories stay somewhat infrequent to not overuse the setting and advance them enough to be in line with the mainline.
Thomas Wayne using Miraclo and Venom is actually pretty cool.
Honestly I wish the second Batman was Dick Grayson from the get go.
It does feel like more of a logical progression of the batman characther
@big_lolo_01 and @antonbalfe6349 -
you two are making sense tho.
They don’t do what makes sense anymore. 🤷🏾♂️
First of all welcome back dude love seeing your videos and second I actually kind of liked Earth too, As a kid. Now looking back on it and mainly watching this video yeah it was a mess the only thing I really did like if it was val-zod
Loved Earth 2 Society, possibly the only comic book series I read twice. A new setting, a new home, new heroes fitting in old roles. Wished they made a continuation.
I've been bothered for years that Steppenwolf was clearly killed off in this series, but has reappeared ever since, with no explanation of how and when he was resurrected. Since then there have been several soft reboots that could explain it. But he reappeared before the Rebirth Era. It just doesn't make sense... But it's DC's practice to ignore their own continuity as it suits them.
The please clap jeb reference killed me lmao awesome video man!!
It’s so odd hearing Dan Abnett get brought up in something not related to Warhammer. He’s a fantastic author and the fact that he managed to drag something good out of the cluster that is this story is nothing short of incredible. I love his Vampirella stories in particular
Man I've been meaning to check out Vampirealla for years. For whatever reason I intend to read it anytime I see it mentioned. Thrn completely forget about it existing until I see it mentioned again. S*its so annoying.😢😂
I feel the same way. When Earth-2 launched, I was interested because it was James Robinson. I adore his Starman series and if we HAD to have someone do this new 52 version, I was happy it was him. I even enjoyed some of what Tom Taylor did, especially with the final moments of Brutaal. But like you said, things went to hell during World's End. It was like a disaster movie that kept going and going and going. I checked in on Society but the art was an immediate turn off.
I wonder how Earth-2 would've played out had Robinson stayed. Would we have eventually gotten a crossover with the Justice League? What was the ultimate goal with the war with Darkseid? We'll never know.
And let me finish by saying I loved your Superboy and Kid Flash video, and after seeing this one, I'm excited to see what you do next. Keep up the good work!
Others have said it but rest in peace to Benny or the Comicstorian, he was a legend and for a time I wanted to do comic book RUclips before I realized how impossible it’d be to learn the lore and keep up, he seemed like an amazing person and I hope those left behind are doing as good as they can be
I’m adding you to my subscription list for the future! Your videos are truly fantastic so far and I’m very grateful for them especially because there was another feature that I was excited to look at this morning but the website is not working properly and I was feeling very depressed and stressed out until I found your videos. Keep up the great work and thanks again for making a hard day for me somewhat easier. Fantastic job on this analysis! There are certainly some stories you talked about here that I will have to look into. Once again I’m very glad that I added you to my list!
Yep I remember skipping Worlds End during its initial release. I was already reading Earth 2 and Futures End and didn’t need to get even more depressed. 😢 New 52 editorial really was on a doom and gloom kick back then
Read Earth 2, skip Worlds End, read the side stuff for Convergence and maybe give Society a try.
I liked the new 52 earth 2 it was somewhat a the ultimate universe analog but they ended up going the same direction
Yo. Terry Sloan was carrying those books.
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Amazing video.
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I like how Val x Peejee was such a hated ship that her and Harley nearly became a pair. Real funny times.
7:00 the irony of using Marvel vs Capcom music in a video about DC comics 😂
20:56 man if I had a nickel for everytime multiversal singularities caused absolute fucking headaches in continuity, I’d have 2 nickels.
Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice
2:41 that’s not what’s happening. They’re in separate beds. This panel just makes it seem like they’re sharing a bed, but the literal next panel shows they’re in two different beds. Weird that they share a room, but they are not sharing a bed
I’ve seen a few people who do that until they’re married
@@just_jakey except they aren't gay also just because people do it and then get married doesn't mean everyone who gonna do it is gonna get married.
Earth-2 Worlds End was so bad that Darkseid destroying their planet was the highlight. 😂
The bad guy looked like the good guy ironically. XD
He ended there bad failed plot lines.
I still love and prefer the OG Earth 1 & 2. Reading those stories evoke within me, feelings of optimism and the blind pursuit of a better tomorrow. Similar feeling I get from Alex Ross's DC art.
Realistically. People would be racist towards Calvin Harris and deny him as being black because he doesn’t have African ancestry. This is based on real life of people say the Andaman Islanders who are considered black yet people deny them that because they don’t have African ancestry. Even though they were labeled the same way Africans were as black. Because many people forget blackness is a label and never a genetic one. With the whole Tyla coloured situation exposing some of that.
20:50
As far as I know, only Darksied is multiversal being
Fun fact, Earth 2 was refferenced heavily in a conversation between Val Zod and Jonathan Kent in the Young Super-Man storyline, although that would be wasted potential after Ultra-Man trapped Val and Red Tornado Lois in the Phantom Zone, and Injustice Superman killed Ultra-man before Johnathan could even make a move in that fight.
The change to Scott was the worst
1:56 yeah there’s way too much of that looking back but I guess it *was* war propaganda
Looking at the thumbnail i have no idea why since it is very similar to the original but the costume just screams Pepsi Man.
Always enjoy when you drop a video, keep doing your thing and I’ll keep watching 👌🏾
The New 52 version of Earth 2 never sat right with me. Not sure why. I never understood Green Lantern’s story arc.
Prob because the original Earth 2 characters were removed. If the book had done well enough, that version of Jay would have pushed the original's Jay away from new readers
honestly, my biggest issue with the 52 JSA is Jay's stupid helmet and Allan's lack of a cape. i could get into my problems with the writting but i'll spare you the time wasted if i did
I grew up with the revival Justice Society before the 52 and it took me a while to figure out why I enjoyed it: it felt like a family. There were the teens, the grandpas, some adults. Everyone figuring things out and helping each other and while not always perfect and with conflict, in the end they loved each other like a family. It was nice to see, for example, Alan Scott going from homophobe to appreciate his gay son and his son's partner. Or Coutney and Billy Bartson attempt romance and figuring things out. I was so excited over Kingdom Come Superman of all people showing up! It was an amazing run.
I loved Starman, Robinson's run with Jack Knight was simply amazing and one of my favorites of all time, so I had high expectations of Earth-2. I had loathed everything Nu-52 brought to the table. Then... hope slowly but surely got snufed out.
These ideas sound so cool without having to actually read them lol
: D
I had no idea that it was Alan Scott's engagement ring that became the ring that's actually sick af
Yes
I loved those early 2000's yearly JSA JLA get togethers.
God, I love the JSA.
the DC Special issue with the first adventure of the Justice Society is great. Batman and Superman are on the team though they werent in the original run of All Star Comics much
A simple suggestion: Please read Kamen Rider Kuuga, although it has a slow beginning, this manga is really cool.
That batman that Thomas met was the new earth batman from right before the new 52
Dan Abnett should be writing Warhammer 40k novels, not wasting his time in the dead medium of superhero comic books.
For all its vaults I’ll forever love Earth 2 for how well it shows just how big a threat Darkseid and the forces of Apokalips are when the heroes don’t have plot armour.
Funnily enough I was just thinking about this series & wondered how it ended. Your video kinda confirms what I remembered of Worlds End, shame a new Earth 2 that can't rely on the old recognisable superheroes always sounded fascinating.
I find it hilarious in a video about DC Comics you use a BGM from Marvel Vs Capcom 2 lmao
It sounds like a crazy fever dream
is it just me or did someone else also thoguh " Pepsi man " when they saw the thumbnail.
I really like the characters. They deserve a genuinely well written story. Also Helena Wayne Batman is an awesome concept.
Love Earth 2 frl. It lets our heres mature and lets there off springs and many other heroes to step into their place
From the little I read of Earth 2 I enjoyed it, I liked the reinterpretation of Jay and how he recognized that he needed to grow as a person. As for Alan Scott, I'm always a sucker for his character
how did alan scott go from driving the train to owning the train? i like val zodd.
Just wanna say how much I appreciate the music choice in this video. From Zelda Skyward Sword do Sonic Unleashed
I feel like steppenwolf showed his potential as a main villain in the first arc of the comic.
Zack Snyder must have read this and thought what a great idea it was to replace him with evil superman as well.
Some of this book sounds absolutely stellar. Reigniting the original concept for the JSA outside of usual DC continuity is a great way to honour the characters... But they really couldnt help themselves. They just HAD to introduce Batman and Superman, and after only 16 issues!
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I’ve always loved the JSA, both in the golden age and when they became apart of new earth. Any story that had them crossover with the JL had me cheesing. I tried to get on board with this new reboot but I never got past Alan Scot’s new origin. I just couldn’t
Honestly I can kind of get behind the JSA themselves being a foundation in the main DC universe. But also really always liked the idea of them being an alternate earth initially, since it actually did alot more for the multiverse changes then just "changing some characters' skin" as alot of them tend to. So it was honestly pretty cool that they kind of had a compromise, making a semi-modern JSA with designs that I honestly all really really liked. Such a shame that it just never took off, though.
"Aside from the racism" thanks for clarifying I was confused😂
It sucks how many years I followed this series, to see how many things that were missed opportunity, but I'm glad with all the failures and hiccups along the way, the series managed to have a decent ending, even if anti climactic.
There's no way dude is playing Persona 3 music while talking about WW2
Creatively Bankrupt. No wonder no one reads comics anymore.
Wow this had so much potential and they squandered it. I would say this deserves a reboot and rewrite but that might only contribute to the problem
Earth 2 Hawkgirl is probably my favorite version of Hawkgirl. Always really liked the blue costume and her getting a more leadership role.
i enjoyed alot of earth 2 during its initial run till it go so bleak, then convergence was really really fun!!
I was gods stronges Geoff Johns fan and then he wrote doomsday clock and i have felt betrayed ever since.
I love new 52's earth 2
Earth 2 was a great read
Earth 2 Society by itself isn’t bad. World’s End was whack.
It's funny how they made his face look so clueless On the thumb nail
I loved earth 2 when I came out and still do
Great video
I have an Earth 2: World’s End poster hung up on my wall just because a shop was handing them out for free. lol
I like most of New 52 Earth 2 (tbh more so the ideas/concept of) but I am glad they brought back the classic versions.
I like The Terrifics with Tom Strong
This is an insane run
Sounds like a lot of the problem is writers not communicating with other writers or not knowing what the background (or CURRENT background) for their characters is.
I really dug what James Robinson was going for with New 52 Earth-2 and how he tied together so many disparate JSA characters into a ragtag group of rogues + some of the more overt character differences (like Wonder Woman being married to Steppenwolf & having a Furie for a daughter)…but I think he heart stopped being in it once he saw how little of a dent it made at that point of his career.
He wrote extensively about it in the Image series “Airboy” and really just vents about how DC saw him as the “Golden Age Character Guy” ever since he wrote the masterpiece that is Starman in the 90s through to 2002/2003
turning earth 2 green lantern gay was THE bigest problem that should have buried that run before it properly released
wanna make a new green lantern? wanna make him gay? MAKE A NEW CHARACTER
don't ruin a character that everyone knows
shit like that is why comics are dying painfully
don't take known characters and don't fucking change and ruin them
make new characters completely
and when they destroy everything people know?
you have to like it or you're -phobic or -cist while being 100% correct
This is really one of the less important things.
It was a gimmick. But it was done better with Alan Scott than characters since then.
Eehhh isnt this a parrallel earth? Isnt twisting heroes and exploring new takes the whole reason parallel earths exist? I understand what you are saying but taking known characters and changing them is the reason why the multiverse exists in these kind of stories
I don’t really see how an alternate universe book making a character gay would ruin a book
I think this series should have a animated movie version of this and have more attention
Hoping you go back to do a marvel video possibly earth-x
Love the artwork. Glad I never collected this stuff...
Honestly I enjoyed Earth 2 New 52 run And the reason why I enjoyed it is because it's what I wanted the new 52 to be where you have your own book and you're doing whatever you want to in that continuity without affecting the main continuity I wish Earth to was the new 52 and let us still have post crisis because nobody asks for flashpoint. And because Earth to New 52 didn't have any continuity or anything I could relatively enjoy it even though sometimes it was frustrating to read We just felt like damn these heroes can't catch a break.
26:48 Telos has learned that he had live before becoming servant of Brainiac with family and kids, Dick lost contact with his son and was searching for him. Warlord died before in it's own series, so it's nothing new.
Intrigued to see your thoughts on this
thank you miss anne
Great video! Witty, well paced, paired alongside some great editing. I'll be subbing!
Earth was a good comic.
I collected the entire shibang.