I have this bike. I actually have 2 of them. My wife has the LIV Tempt E+ which is the women’s version of the same bike. I have about ~100+ miles on my bike. I do wish the front fork was better and will be one of the things I upgrade. It makes a heavy bike heavy when you are trying to get some travel downhill or with weight transfers to the back tire to hop a curb. I have done some real gnarly uphills and downhills too. Upgrading the drive train and tires will be the next upgrade. It sits really nice in the mud and can crank through the muck. It really needs some gearing and grip for steep uphills. Brakes are great even with the extra weight of the component setup. Both my wife and I love these bikes. We would both buy them again @ $2750 a piece.
2024 Im thinking of getting the 2024 version soon.. wonder if its good. Its NZD$3647 though.. ouch Oh but the one Im looking at has the EnergyPak 500Wh though
Nicely done video edit and review. I'm considering this bike for road use. For me being a hardcore mtb rider this bike is not really made for real trails. Like you said that fork is crap and the parts spec will not hold up for technical trails. I guess they use qr axles as they're easier to remove the wheels for beginner riders, which I think this bike is aimed for. But price-wise, there's very little price difference wholesale for thru-axles vs qr for axles and hubs. And the benefits of stiffness in ride quality and longevity is great between the two axle types. I prefer coil forks for suppleness and plush ride. But unless you're at the correct spring rate, the fork will either be too soft or too harsh. Air is lighter and more adjustable but just not as plush as a decent coil. Keyword: Decent. These forks are crap and maybe dont have different spring rates available and there may not be other rates available from Giant or aftermarket. Regarding weight for the coil: Not an issue on an ebike. The weight is negligible for an ebike. That said for those that want to upgrade the fork, there are plenty of options from the two big brand suspension companies, Fox and Rockshox. One thing to look for are magnesium stanchions vs those chrome-plated forks. The low end forks use chrome-plated stanchions which are flexy cheap steel. Both Fox and Rockshox make ebike specific forks. Fox has a nice feature on their steer tubes using an eccentric tube. This gives a wider girth at the front and back of the tube theoretically making it stiffer. A more stiff steer tube is preferred on an ebike as under braking forces, just the added weight of these ebikes vs regular bikes makes the fork more prone to flex. Also with these ebikes forces over time, the junction at the steer tube-crown and stanchions-crown areas are prone to creaking. These two areas are press fitted and on cheaper forks, the tolerances are not as tight and are therefore more likely to start flexing and creaking especially with the heavier ebike weights.
Component wise. My defy on order has ultegra everything but the rear derailleur. Which is Grx 810. I mean their brothers but still. Lol. Thanks for the breakdown kind sir.
2024 here now. Trek power fly is a Way better bike for about the same money. Thru axle, bigger battery and nicer looking intergrated battery too. I bought one of tye ealier etalons and the.cheap parts failed. Sold the bike .
Very similar to the Fathom E+3 29 sold in the UK and Europe. It comes with the Syncdrive Sport motor with 70nm torque. Don’t bother with power levels 1&2, hardly any assist. Percentage of power assist up to 350 percent can be set for each level using the app once connected to the bike. 👍
Hi Mike, I'm not Mossie but I know the answer... no, they don't charge as they ride. You plug the bike in or remove the battery and plug it into a charger.
I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed. We are planning on getting my wife one, that way she can keep up and enjoy rides with me, the alternative is I have to ride at a pace that doesn't get my heart rate up for us to ride together. Win win
HELP !!! I've got a Orbea Oiz M30 . Bought it last fall has 1 summer on it. It has a after market dropper . Purchased from Jensen USA . The seat post is sliding down . Been to my local shop , tried carbon paste . Torgued to specs . Going back to shop tomorrow and try a new clamp . What would you recommend . It started doing this about 1 month ago .
Can't be a Popular-bike. Nor can any e-bike, judging that every RUclips video is by so-called "Professional," reviewer channels and not actual...owners. E-bikes are popular in Europe? Yeah, to some extent because of the over-population and small land area. And most of those were urban e-bikes, at least in Italy. Extremely few e-mountain bikes on the Cannoli trails, we noticed. Much rather watch reviews from actual owners, and not a commercial promoting a product for those obsessive views.
I have the Fathom E+ which is basically a step better than the Talon. Depends on what kind of snow you’re talking about. It CAN ride in just about any kind of snow, but if it’s not packed like a trail or maintained road it’s going to keep swerving. But that’s with any MTB and you’re better off with a fatbike in deeper snow anyway.
I bought a new Talon, 2 years ago for about $600. Today the E version is $2800. I can buy the Bafang 750 watt system with a big battery, and be all in for WAY less that. These are considerably overpriced.
To be fair, a lot of what you're paying for on a good quality mid-drive bike is the system that monitors your pedalling input cadence, power, wheel speed, inclination and supplying the power in a smooth and predictable manner. Having tried some rear wheel motor ebikes and less sophisticated ebikes I would quickly be testing my helmet's safety rating as they're kinda scary in technical trail situations when you need to know exactly how your bike is going to behave.
I'm not into e-MTB. I have not used one. And I have not seen one here at my end in the Philippines. Maybe I'd consider e-MTB when I'm already old & unable to propel a bike using my own leg power.
Nice looking bike but poor quality control or poor transport.Rear wheel has major issues right out of the box. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Rear axle is bent! Derailleur is misaligned.Since the rear wheel comes assembled I would have expected better.Assembly instructions poorly written, but that was not unexpected...just annoying.I just had the bike checked at a shop and was told that I should contact the seller about getting a whole rear wheel assembly with cartridge. (The bike shop could not do anything to help me).Not a good experience with this bike, so lesson learned.Added 3 stars for excellent customer serviceUpdate Sept 8 2020Just received a complete replacement wheel for free. Great service and an otherwise fine bike.
Nahhhh. Two minutes in now and I still haven’t learned anything about the bike. This video ain’t for me I need a more ‘to the point’ reviewer. Hope everyone has a great weekend though
You give it a 3 out of 5, while sitting down, doing the "review".. and never took it for a ride. So much for a review
You saved me 10 minutes, thanks!
Just bought one. I’m a big guy and I tear up steep hills. Love it
I have this bike. I actually have 2 of them. My wife has the LIV Tempt E+ which is the women’s version of the same bike. I have about ~100+ miles on my bike. I do wish the front fork was better and will be one of the things I upgrade. It makes a heavy bike heavy when you are trying to get some travel downhill or with weight transfers to the back tire to hop a curb. I have done some real gnarly uphills and downhills too. Upgrading the drive train and tires will be the next upgrade. It sits really nice in the mud and can crank through the muck. It really needs some gearing and grip for steep uphills. Brakes are great even with the extra weight of the component setup. Both my wife and I love these bikes. We would both buy them again @ $2750 a piece.
I agree with everything you said
Is that price USD?
I can see you really looked at price point with pandemic factors in mind which is a useful consideration for buyers. Cheers.
What would you recommend for e mountain bike in the 3k range? I rode this giant today taking light trails and city riding thanks great content
What would be a good fork upgrade for this bike?
I am an old school biker, only just found out about that quick release is not ideal? Why? In 40 years of riding never has an issue?
2024 Im thinking of getting the 2024 version soon.. wonder if its good. Its NZD$3647 though.. ouch Oh but the one Im looking at has the EnergyPak 500Wh though
What is the maximum weight it can take?
What is the weight of the bike please as I am unable to find on Google?
Usually between 22-25kg depending on frame size
I don't think my 2022 version has the automatic mode. Controller looks different from this one too.
Nicely done video edit and review. I'm considering this bike for road use. For me being a hardcore mtb rider this bike is not really made for real trails. Like you said that fork is crap and the parts spec will not hold up for technical trails. I guess they use qr axles as they're easier to remove the wheels for beginner riders, which I think this bike is aimed for. But price-wise, there's very little price difference wholesale for thru-axles vs qr for axles and hubs. And the benefits of stiffness in ride quality and longevity is great between the two axle types.
I prefer coil forks for suppleness and plush ride. But unless you're at the correct spring rate, the fork will either be too soft or too harsh. Air is lighter and more adjustable but just not as plush as a decent coil. Keyword: Decent. These forks are crap and maybe dont have different spring rates available and there may not be other rates available from Giant or aftermarket. Regarding weight for the coil: Not an issue on an ebike. The weight is negligible for an ebike. That said for those that want to upgrade the fork, there are plenty of options from the two big brand suspension companies, Fox and Rockshox. One thing to look for are magnesium stanchions vs those chrome-plated forks. The low end forks use chrome-plated stanchions which are flexy cheap steel.
Both Fox and Rockshox make ebike specific forks. Fox has a nice feature on their steer tubes using an eccentric tube. This gives a wider girth at the front and back of the tube theoretically making it stiffer. A more stiff steer tube is preferred on an ebike as under braking forces, just the added weight of these ebikes vs regular bikes makes the fork more prone to flex. Also with these ebikes forces over time, the junction at the steer tube-crown and stanchions-crown areas are prone to creaking. These two areas are press fitted and on cheaper forks, the tolerances are not as tight and are therefore more likely to start flexing and creaking especially with the heavier ebike weights.
What year bike was this ?
I have the Women's version of this (Liv). I love it.
Component wise. My defy on order has ultegra everything but the rear derailleur. Which is Grx 810. I mean their brothers but still. Lol.
Thanks for the breakdown kind sir.
You are mighty welcome! What model defy do you have on order?
@@MossieRidesBikes it's an Advanced 1 Canadian spec. Just got the info a week ago.
Very nice 👍
Any idea when the 2022 range of mtb's will be released in the UK please 😎
I wish I knew! The only thing I have seen is the few models that have been released in Australia. I'm hoping Giant gives us an update soon
That's a killer t-shirt
One of my favorites I own 😀
Bro
I am confused between trek marlin 6 and giant talon 2 ?
How much Talon e bike Iam.Ruben a filipino from Qatar
Anyone know how much this bike weighs?
2024 here now. Trek power fly is a Way better bike for about the same money. Thru axle, bigger battery and nicer looking intergrated battery too. I bought one of tye ealier etalons and the.cheap parts failed. Sold the bike .
Nice first review. But did you ever ride this puppy?
Very similar to the Fathom E+3 29 sold in the UK and Europe. It comes with the Syncdrive Sport motor with 70nm torque. Don’t bother with power levels 1&2, hardly any assist. Percentage of power assist up to 350 percent can be set for each level using the app once connected to the bike. 👍
I have that bike.😊
do these charge as you ride them ?
Hi Mike, I'm not Mossie but I know the answer... no, they don't charge as they ride. You plug the bike in or remove the battery and plug it into a charger.
I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed. We are planning on getting my wife one, that way she can keep up and enjoy rides with me, the alternative is I have to ride at a pace that doesn't get my heart rate up for us to ride together. Win win
HELP !!! I've got a Orbea Oiz M30 . Bought it last fall has 1 summer on it. It has a after market dropper . Purchased from Jensen USA . The seat post is sliding down . Been to my local shop , tried carbon paste . Torgued to specs . Going back to shop tomorrow and try a new clamp . What would you recommend . It started doing this about 1 month ago .
It's a great ebike.
Can't be a Popular-bike. Nor can any e-bike, judging that every RUclips video is by so-called "Professional," reviewer channels and not actual...owners. E-bikes are popular in Europe? Yeah, to some extent because of the over-population and small land area. And most of those were urban e-bikes, at least in Italy. Extremely few e-mountain bikes on the Cannoli trails, we noticed. Much rather watch reviews from actual owners, and not a commercial promoting a product for those obsessive views.
What's about the snow. Can it ride in the snow?
I have the Fathom E+ which is basically a step better than the Talon. Depends on what kind of snow you’re talking about. It CAN ride in just about any kind of snow, but if it’s not packed like a trail or maintained road it’s going to keep swerving. But that’s with any MTB and you’re better off with a fatbike in deeper snow anyway.
I bought a new Talon, 2 years ago for about $600. Today the E version is $2800. I can buy the Bafang 750 watt system with a big battery, and be all in for WAY less that. These are considerably overpriced.
To be fair, a lot of what you're paying for on a good quality mid-drive bike is the system that monitors your pedalling input cadence, power, wheel speed, inclination and supplying the power in a smooth and predictable manner. Having tried some rear wheel motor ebikes and less sophisticated ebikes I would quickly be testing my helmet's safety rating as they're kinda scary in technical trail situations when you need to know exactly how your bike is going to behave.
Overpriced compared to past? That doesnt help customer who wants to buy it today.. What should i buy today that is better at similar price?
привет сколько стоит?
Not post pandemic yet fam but yeh that fork needs to go.
In my head I meant "post start of the pandemic"😅
I'm not into e-MTB. I have not used one. And I have not seen one here at my end in the Philippines.
Maybe I'd consider e-MTB when I'm already old & unable to propel a bike using my own leg power.
Giant Defy......
Why not it's a bike.
.. Did you Even ride the thing?.. or are you doing a half-assed biased review with no real point of reference....
Nice looking bike but poor quality control or poor transport.Rear wheel has major issues right out of the box. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Rear axle is bent! Derailleur is misaligned.Since the rear wheel comes assembled I would have expected better.Assembly instructions poorly written, but that was not unexpected...just annoying.I just had the bike checked at a shop and was told that I should contact the seller about getting a whole rear wheel assembly with cartridge. (The bike shop could not do anything to help me).Not a good experience with this bike, so lesson learned.Added 3 stars for excellent customer serviceUpdate Sept 8 2020Just received a complete replacement wheel for free. Great service and an otherwise fine bike.
Waffle on, get to the points
Yikes, it's ugly and lackluster.
Man, that first minute was hard to listen to. What a load of pointless waffle.
Nahhhh. Two minutes in now and I still haven’t learned anything about the bike. This video ain’t for me I need a more ‘to the point’ reviewer. Hope everyone has a great weekend though