Oregon counties join movement to become part of Idaho
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2021
- ABC News’ Kayna Whitworth reports from rural Oregon on the counties that want to leave their heavily liberal state for the more like-minded Idaho.
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Imagine hating your state so bad that becoming part of Idaho is your backup plan.
I don't actually hate my state, just the leftist/communist/socialist policies being crammed down our throats by chairman brown. No representation means its time to break away.
@@himmelpiratreanimeirt1813 Then don’t drive on those roads and bridges. Don’t let your kids go to school. Don’t you dare collect your social security checks.
As long as Portland exists, no one living outside of Multnomah County has a say in any elections.
A single city deciding the fate of the rest of the State is why we need to curb the power metropolitan areas have.
Every state needs to start the same kind of county-level electoral college that Nebraska and Maine have by creating electoral districts based on population, that way Portland doesn't decide elections.
@@afluffypinecone3577 Nah knuckle dragging republicans already have enough special rights.
@@himmelpiratreanimeirt1813 I'm willing to bet that most of the things you've been trained to hate are not even remotely close to "leftist/communist/socialist". Also what's with right wingers always talking about things being crammed down their throats. Is that like a kink or something?
has anyone considered how this is going to completely F’ up the jigsaw puzzle industry? 🧩
🤣🤣🤣🤣Good one!
I was thinking about all the maps and books and ahhh!!! Overwhelming. Maybe it’s time for a change!!
Fax we gotta all update now
Underrated comment
invest in jigsaw company's
Don’t they always say: “If you don’t like it, LEAVE”
Portland is culturally repulsive while rural Oregon is nice, low crime, peaceful. They don’t want their tax dollars going to Portland
@@CEeb5yb lmao you cannot be serious.... what tax dollars??? The majority of the tax dollars in this state, come from us in the north, especially the portland metro area! We CARRY the south!! Your claim is laughable!!
@@amandacharlebois9295 well it makes more sense to let them go? Doesnt it?
@@CEeb5yb🐕 does anybody hear a whistle or is it just me? 🐕
@@DarrylCallowayJr loud and clear unfortunately
I lived in Portland for 7 years.Portland should relocate to California.
We don't need any more of that crap in California... We've got enough of trash here
Trulyyyyy!!!
@@Elephant1999 😂 like what racial variety and people with artistic talent? U sound like a loser if you’re so intimidated by other people
@@Markzuckisacuck you sound like the trash that I'm referring to that's moving here... Can't seem to keep the garbage out
Hell no. We have enough crazy liberal cities within our boarders already. Berkeley alone is a handful.
He said they want to leave the state. They don’t want to leave the state. They want to move the state lol.
These clowns should just move to Russia or Argentina where they belong.
Meanwhile dems are trying to create a whole new state in DC.
@@tysonreuter5788 I mean DC has a bigger population than like half the states
LMFAO
@@tysonreuter5788 Dc should have been a state.
Never gonna happen. You’d need two state legislators and their governors to approve it, then Congress and the President.
Just move.
Well said. I agree, I can't stand people that complain constantly. They should get out.
We don't need them would be fine with me too may idiots at my swimming hole anyway lol
shhhhh let them leave. we dont want them here anyways
They could just redraw the lines themselves. If they get local law enforcement on board who can stop them? It's a state issue and the federal government really has no say in it.
@@SuperBlobsterMan lol no they can't thats not even remotely close to reality.
Eastern Washington be like: "Take me with you!"
And Northern California!
Also Southwestern Washington
Aren't these the same people that tell others to move if they don't like something?
Their hypocrisy is astounding, isn't it?
But don’t forget about public employees and farmers who can’t leave.
Not happening .
Lol
Most of them say to leave the COUNTRY….not the state.
I live in Idaho. This will never happen. Plus, all of the cars at the dispensaries across the river (border) in Oregon have Idaho plates. 😂
Here in ontario oregon lol I right?
@@jacob2458 I can neither confirm nor deny….but yes. 😆
@@Caedo12 witch dispencery do you work at wae?
@@jacob2458 I don’t work for any dispensaries but I do take note of the plates as I drive past, Weedology being the easiest to see from the main road. Kind of funny that on one side of the river it’s completely legal, while on the other side it’s totally illegal. The whole scenario makes our man-made laws appear so trivial.
@@Caedo12 the younger generation in In idaho might change that:) all kinds of weed being smoked.
Breaking news: upstate New York to join Idaho! “We just don’t share the same values as the Big Apple.”
As someone born and raised in the Big Apple in the Bronx, a lot here would join that movement. The liberals here have become to crazy. Used to love and would die for NYC but after living in places like FL seeing what freedom is really like! NYC is just full of bullshit regulations. 90s and early 2000s were cool to grow up here but 2021 is nothing but BLM, MeToo, SJW ratshit!
@@rangergun Ironically enough. The liberal Democrats fleeing to conservative states will vote in the SAME Politicians that f*cked up the state they are fleeing from. Notice how when Left logic doesn't work, They have to flee to the next safer/cheap state to cry about the policies there.
@@joeyharper4976 reminds me of another group, the followers of the religion of peace.
@@rangergun Cry a river...
@Banned Me Florida is now sucking New York’s financial companies and investment funds.
In a broader sense most of them for years would say "If you dont like it here then LEAVE!" to every group in the country........ I would say the same to them
exactly! they don't get to steal half the state because they're too lazy to leave.
@richard -- i'd say the same to ppl who hates america--LEAVE already!
they are trying to leave
@@amandacharlebois9295 or they realized it's not as simple as picking up and moving lmaooooo
@@amandacharlebois9295 ORRRR district's get to vote on things as they should.
Then people in Boise would have to drive all the way to Portland to buy weed.
LMAO
You mean they don't already? :D
You really don't think there's no weed in Idaho, lol. Laws never used to matter when it was illegal everywhere.
@@got2kittys True. But if you can't do time... don't do crime.
Montana my friend.
This “divide” is manufactured.
Agreed. Total bullshit
@WorldFlex Not half as clueless as your mom.
@@hailmaryrecordings8255
Let’s ignore the troll.
@@Narumisan02 Done & Done. I hope he gets the help he needs, is all.
It’s not really for politics it’s just the fact that Oregon focuses on Portland too much and Eastern Oregon gets ignored
That is tied into politics as politics is a very broad term meaning anything concerning government policies. Many states are the same way
TOO FUCKIN FUNNY! You go right ahead and lie to yourself.
It ain't gonna happen!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
same thing in Illinois. they only care about Chicago and ignore the rest if the state.
Exact same thing in washington
You people should look up what the word DEMOCRACY means. The places with the most people make the rules!
How about people just move to a state they prefer instead of redrawing the lines? I'm sure people living in blue cities in red states feel frustrated too but aren't calling to make themselves into city-states. If you don't like the way things are going either leave or accept that not everyone has the same viewpoints as you and work to change minds. Quit whining.
SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!!
But but but then they lose their land 🙄
@@theepiccrafthouse9760 They already lost their minds.
@@theepiccrafthouse9760 IT wasn't there land to begin with. How soon they forget!
Or they could start to move others into their area that have the same views, and just vote!!!
It must be exhausting being angry all the time. There's always Florida...
Florida doesn't want them. I used to live there. Trust me if they want a quiet life they are looking in the wrong place.
@@seerofsorrow they'll fit right in with the lunatic fringe there.
@@Refresh2b yeah most of the lunatics moved there and more still on the way.
@IndependentAF Antifascist defeated the fascist. Get over it.
All conservatives are welcome in Florida. Let's get those numbers up so we can get as many electoral vote as we can for Florida.
“Tied to the land, multi-generational on land” I’m glad they feel like the native Americans did.
Indeed. Something mexicans are *NOT*.
Exactly! Whose land it is in the first place that they supposedly feel so tied to!
@@ThunderAppeal Mexicans didn't cross the border. The border crossed them. When we annexed parts of Mexico that's how it goes and were mad at them for what? Going home? Give me a break.
@@Ibuddy66 Mexicans arent Native Americans.
The border didnt cross anyone, Native Americans and Mexicans had a beef with one another long before the 'white' man showed up.
@@ThunderAppeal They are native American.
Just like they tell foreigners; "don't separate & leave, just stay & fix your own country" in this case county!.
Exactly
Fax
Thing is, you can't fix willful arrogance. All those libs in Portland don't care about the rest of the state.
@@kevinm.8682 we could say something similar about immigrants escaping persecution and violence, no?
@@lafq only that most of them aren’t escaping anything, and they just want more money to send back to the it families. Which is why when their cases were being heard and they were being sent back, they stopped coming.
People are divided for whatever reason and most of it is political … terrible
That is by design by politicians.
@@bartj7843 the public elected the politicians. The public loves the puzzle.
What do you think political is about Lori? You sound so ignorant
Maybe people don't want their paycheck annihilated because some thugs keep burning down the city 300 miles away.
@@c.t.9277 ever notice that all the tech industries are in Liberal areas? Hardly third world ideas. The PolPot plan to build an agrarian nirvana is a Republican fantasy, and like Pol Pot ( who,ignorant conservatives have never heard of) was willing to kill his own people to force that belief. He would have been a good Trump friend, as Trump has repeatedly proclaimed his love of dictators.
As someone who lives in rural Oregon county I’m all for it!! Portland is a disgrace!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good luck. It would bankrupt both Idaho and your county.
You might hate Portland but you love their taxes.
A state of rural people would be the poorest most deprived state in the country.
@@petermello55 AKA west Virginia lol
California tried this lol. Just move to idaho. Leave room for those of us who want to live here in oregon.
We shouldn't have to move to Idaho because our state has been taken over by Commiefornians.
@@Christina-71 Nope, no one "took over" at all. Otherwise I can claim that fascists are "taking over" Ohio and Iowa, for example.
@@Christina-71 Californians fleeing their high tax, high cost of living, liberal utopia that they voted for, moving to more moderate states and voting for the same garbage.
Lol
When California tried this the most recent attempt claimed that north and south California should be split over Southern California’s free usage of water from Northern California. It would have split the state into two democratic states so its not quite the same as gerrymandering out just the republicans to maximize electoral advantage, which is what this man is proposing in Oregon.
Youre not over looked bud , youre simply outvoted. Jesus its gerrymandering on steroids.
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Yeah, their complaint comes down to them having lost the popular vote in the state that they are in so now they have a scheme to redefine what the state is rather than just move to the other place (so they can keep the land). It will only work temporarily. These people are trying to outrun entropy while still contributing to it. In fact, I'd go one step further and identify this attempt to buy time at the expense of others as the fundamental basis of capitalism. Every one of these schemes a temporary win for a later failure. How many people on Earth now, 8 billion? Wow. And they are trying to hide from democracy. Not happening.
Racists just wantabe racists. They want their Whites Only State.
lol
Sounds like to me they don’t fell represented and want to. I don’t see nothing wrong with it. It’s a better argument than dc being a state don’t see y’all liberal crying about that
This is the same crowd that complained about the Dems when Hilary lost and told them to "Get over it".
*They’re the world’s biggest whiners.* 🙄
And your the same crowd that rioted for months and claimed for the last 4 years the 2016 election was hacked even when the FBI sayed it did not happend. This proposel is to have counties from one state to join another state why should they not vote on that its not like other states have split up like how west Virginia left the rest of Virginia.
@@varangianguard4726 Wrong again. Congress did find proof of Russia interference.
Yes. They're bigtime hypocrites who thrive on projection and double standards.
@@varangianguard4726 A lot of those riots were instigated by deceitful far right extremists who infiltrated the protests. The FBI has confirmed that little detail to be true. Even if the riots were 100% left wing protesters they would be justified because systemic racism and police brutality shouldn't be tolerated.
*What a thoroughly absurd solution.*
*Aren’t these the same folks that tell everyone if they don’t like it here they can leave?* 🧐
You must a racist bigot smh
@@jrodt9 No, just pointing out hypocrisy
They are trying to leave, they are just wanting to take their counties with them
Shhh... sounds too much like right 😂
“If you don’t like it here then leave!”
We don't have to do anything
@@kimberlyncollins7839 🤣🤣🤣Tell that to the Native americans
@@reneel2441 neither does the state 😘
@@kimberlyncollins7839 lol you're out of your mind, you go
@@kimberlyncollins7839 Oregon was started by white supremacists to preserve "whiteness". That's what you want to preserve? Idiocy
“I’m sure there’s a Mark Twain quote to be said here.” ~Mark Twain
“it is easier to fool somone than convince them they have been decived”Mark Twain a,k.a.Samuel Longhorn Clemens
Is "They dumb!" one of his quotes? It should be. Let's just say it is.
😄
@@freda2758 It is.
The old “some of my friends are black “. Lived there? For nearly thirty years an constantly experienced my adopted children, black and Vietnamese, being called gook and nigga.. my blonde wife was called a whore. Yes, cut the bullshit about your open mindedness..’.maybe you, but the practices and statements reveal the reality. Hell, I hate Trumpers but I know a few Republicans....same sort of thing.
This is how it starts, a few "like minded counties" join another state....and then states will want to secede
Oregon has a long history of this.
I thought of one too. Not a good idea.
and then civil war 2 breaks out
Well, when you have Marxist/Anarchist terrorizing your State and the Democrat leaders are scared to upset them because it’s their base……what do expect? Heck they politician they interviewed was wearing a Chinese workers party members hat for crying out loud! 😂🤣🤣
I see this as an alternative to secession.
Are we gonna ignore the fact that the anti-becoming idaho council member is literally wearing a imperial Star Wars character hat?
lol well he has clearly chosen the dark side from this interview.
Perfect!
How about the fact he said the state needs to find a way to cooperate.
Sure you can start by explaining how 3/4s of the state voted for one candidate and the other one won the state
@@samhershey4644 Do you mean that 3/4 of the land itself voted? Or are you seriously telling me that 3/4 of the 4.25 million 'people' living in Oregon (which is equal to approximately 3.18 million people) voted for a particular candidate but they lost to the remaining 1.06 million people in the state - assuming that every citizen of any age could vote, of course, just for simplicity's sake? They call that Apartheid, dude and you need to take that up with the United Nations! But, I jest! I prefer your ridiculous notion that land has a vote instead! Actually, it's not so ridiculous... it's history in many countries of the civilized world - including America! And your real point is that land owners should get to vote based purely on the 'amount' of land they each own. Based on that logic, any of those 850,000 voters in those 7 counties who want to join Idaho and therefore support your move but who, sadly, rent their home or perhaps work on a farm but don't own the property are therefore not entitled to a vote at all! Good luck convincing them to give up their vote. I think they may just decide to practice their 2nd amendment rights on you. But, hey, go for it... I'll be praying for you! Simply put, people vote - land doesn't!
Rural Oregon gets subsidized by the urban areas. If this happens Idaho will be poorer as a result.
Lol. Subsidized? Are you able to grow your own food in the city? You would literally be dead in a couple months without the country bumpkins
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@@Greater_Idaho you should re-read the comment and try again moron
@@cspdx11 most of the food in the USA is imported.
You’re neither bright nor informed. Please fix that.
@@MyHandelsMessiah that is untrue most of the US foods comes from California, Texas Nebraska, Illinois and Iowa.
If Oregon can just split up like that, how come no one has figured out how to get rid of Florida? She keeps embarressing us.
Give it 30 years and alot of florida will be completely under water due to raising sea levels it will happen
Yawn. Do you realize how many Americans would move to Florida or Texas if these states seceded? It would be the perfect get-away from the left's woke politics and anti-white rhetoric.
@@dym6464 I lived in Florida all my life and I have been hearing we'll be underwater in ten years my whole life. I live a mile from the beach and I could have waterfront proprty. So far, nothing's changed.
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@@dym6464 Just like how the California fault-line is eventually going to collapse and part of the state will end up closer to Hawaii, right?
But we've been eating Ore-Ida french fries for generations, how are we going to get used to eating Ore-Ore or Ida-Ida fries? With the border moving would they just be Idas?
No, they would be Idahoans, owned by Simplot!
O-O-Ida's
Good luck with that, we have been trying to do something similar in northern CA since 1942.
My oldest brother lives in Redding. He'd join a movement like that in a heart beat. Souther CA won't let it happen because of Lake Shasta and all of its water being shipped south.
It's a joke, that keeps some entertained!
@@kenhurley4441 Along with all of the water from the North Serria Nevada, i.e. the Sacramento River, etc
In their own words: "If you don't like it here, move away...... to Idaho! This land is ours."
The urban centers don't reside there so the rural areas can do as they please.
@@ryeguy7941 that’s what the south said. A lot of them ended up having to move to South America lmaooo
TELL IDAHO THEY LUCKY OREGON COUNTRY DONT WANT THEIR STUPID CRATERS BACK.
Oregon Country
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oregon was a distinctly American term for the region. The British used the term Columbia District instead.[2] The Oregon Country consisted of the land north of 42°N latitude, south of 54°40′N latitude, and west of the Rocky Mountains-with the eastern border generally running on or close to the Continental Divide-westwards to the Pacific Ocean. The area now forms part of the present day Canadian province of British Columbia, all of the U.S. states of Oregon, Washington, and Idaho, as well as parts of Montana and Wyoming. The British presence in the region was generally administered by the Hudson's Bay Company, whose Columbia Department comprised most of the Oregon Country and extended considerably north into New Caledonia and beyond 54°40′N, with operations reaching tributaries of the Yukon River.[3]
I was born and raised in the Salem area. I SUPPORT the separation!
White man :"We've had this land for multi generations, moving is not an option. "
Native Americans be like :"wait, that was an option? "
Who is infringing on their rights of freedom of speech, or freedom of religion? How does someone so confused or so corrupt to say these things get elected?
They should be asking that question, but they are brainwashed by FOX FACTLESS TEA PARTY NEWS, and have a chicken little the sky is falling mentality, due to FACTLESS information. The RepubliCons (republicans disappeared long ago) would rather lie to their constituents then confess what they are really up to.
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles So you really want the freedom to exclude people who don't think like you or hold dear the things you embrace? What if you're Mormon and they drink coffee? No jobs for those infidels until they comply. When they get hungry enough they'll join the church and the smell of coffee makes us ill. It's our freedom of religion and speech. You were saying?
@Yummy Spaghetti Noodles then prepare for Christians to be excluded from many many many shops, bars, and restaurants. Just like they should be. It’s completely acceptable to discriminate against someone based on their delusions of sky wizard daddies and virgin pregnancies. Delusions aren’t a protected class.
Yes. We have lerned that Democrats are so corrupt that they steal an election in front of our eyes
@@carolsmith6253 Easy to say until you are in court and need to provide proof. That hasn't happened. Show me the court case for wide spread voter fraud. I guess you must think the courts are in on the steal?
The only decision left to the common man is to stay or leave……..period.
Or stand up and fight these idiots.
@@TruePatriot-mr6rg stand and fight is looking like where things will go. People have had enough of the Left bullshit.
@@TruePatriot-mr6rg the reality is you cannot fight them at all. They control the government. They control the media. They control all of finance. They even control the military. If you so much as try to stand up to them they will destroy you so fast you won’t even know what happened. No one will help you because they will all be terrified. Even your “republican” party will destroy you too. Just look how fast they turned of the Washington DC demonstrators. It’s 100% true. You have only one choice left: stay and conform……or leave
@@truthisoutthere6721 pretty sure that's what people told our forefathers too.
@@TruePatriot-mr6rg different times. The analogy doesn’t work today. For example…..the feds have probably already downloaded your comments, run you through 100 databases and flagged you for investigation so fast they were done before you even posted your comment. You have only one decision left: stay and assimilate…..or leave
So acording to this guy, I have no morals cause I'm not rural. I value family and freedom.
You probably have morals but did
You vote for people that want to get rid of birthing person day or sperm donor day.
No he is saying the people making all the decisions for the state only have Portland values in mind.
When adults throw giant temper tantrums
Kind of like when Democrats wanted the West coast to secede?
I may have taken this wrongly but youre a dumb bitch lol
Yes, how dare Americans not want to be engulfed in this socialistic takeover.
@@kwpp7 Um, if there has been any socialist takeover, I'd say it happened at least 100 years ago. You don't realize this but you were born into it. The people with all the money are the ones who set it up so they could be the government. They are referring to it by its other name ( "capitalism" ) but a free market it is not. If it were truly were, they would control far less of it.
@@wj3186 shut up you uneducated moron
JUST MOVE! THEY’LL HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY SINGLE MAP OF THE COUNTRY!!!!
They belong in Russia or Argentina anyway.
You mean like When Alaska and Hawaii joined the U.S, the U.S.S.R disbanded, Britian got out of the U.K, Tawain became a country or Isreal was formed. Just a few examples the point maps change.
Who the heck cares bro. Do you live in those parts of Oregon or Idaho? If it doesn’t affect you then who cares
We need this in California!
Definitely, separate the liberals from the freedom lovers.
100% agree,,, these freedom lovers always fail to understand the fact that they could never support themselves Economically without Government support.. I would love to have them leave California so I no longer have to support them with my tax dollars
The real problem is the large cities controlling the entire states and ignoring or even abusing the rural communities. Adopting a state wide electoral college system is the real solution. To become governor you have to win the most counties. The state's vote for president would be determined the same way.
Your suggestion is way too outrages. Unless you vote red. That essentially means no democrat will ever be in power any more and the elected republican will most likely always have the least amount of votes. Again the popular vote is ignored.
But to elaborate on your comment in TX where the large cities get divided up into districts so any democrat has no say. In TX I imagine there are many people like the eastern Oregon folks that feel like they are not represented. The two party system is way outdated for a 350M people democracy. Either way you swing. It simply does no longer work. Especially when one side does not want to work with the other side. Pretty pathetic if you'd ask me.
@@photographyisnotacrime7300 Either that or its going to eventually result in physical war like it did once before. The deranged big city politicians and special interests groups don't get to run the country, it's that simple.
@@chrisbiro1 So why would a deranged rural rep run the country instead?
We have not debated turn limits. I would be in favor of that one as well.
@@photographyisnotacrime7300 Well, the rural tend to be less deranged and more respectful for proven successful approaches. I am not saying they cannot be corrupt also, just look at how many RINOs exist in the republican party today. But I do totally agree with you on the need for term limits.
You can't say these counties are large just by geography when there's barely anyone living in them.
@dennis coates Life tip: A statement does not become a fact just because you scream the word, "fact" at people with your comments.
If these counties can move to Idaho because they aren’t represented properly, then they support DC statehood. Because not only are their views not appropriately represented, they aren’t represented at all
Outstanding point. One that should be asked directly to these Republican voters.
DC is a small city, why isn't it incorporated into the state it is in? Which one is that? Maryland, it should be part of Maryland. Otherwise, why not break the states up into city states and have 1000's of states. Puerto Rico should be a state (It actually has a large population.)That makes sense and should have happened except congress is being a jerk about PR. who did vote to join.
@@lindatullos9430 DC is larger than Wyoming
@@lindatullos9430 No, D.C. is bigger than Vermont and Wyoming. And neither they nor Maryland want retrocession. D.C. Statehood NOW. No taxation without representation means NO taxation without representation, period, end of story.
@@davidlangum8085 Okay, then let it join Maryland or Virginia. They'll still be represented.
This is literally a non-issue 1.3 million people in Oregon voted for Biden; 900,000 voted for trump.
not really. Oregon is pretty left leaning, with that many republicans/ people on the right you cant expect them to not be thrilled over whats happening in portland etc and how their gov is reacting to it.
I'll try not to give political views in this. I haven't looked up the votes for Oregon but the numbers you mentioned seem accurate enough. The issue with the way it is now according to some people is that they are under represented. Portland is so big population wise compared to the rest of the state, that their political opinion dictates the opinion of the state. Similar to my state of Washington but at least Washington has a few biggish cities but the similar problem remains. If you vote Republican and you are in the east side of Oregon or Washington your vote is counteracted by the ginormaus Seattle or Portland. Which is also why the electoral college falls short in representing all voters.
@@madeleinewalker838 That's democracy baby! Majority rules. It's just that people are so toxic these days they see everyone who is not explicitly on their side as a bitter enemy.
Also, every time a President won the Electoral College but lost the popular vote a Republican ended up becoming president (Hayes, Harrison, Bush, Trump -- John Quincy Adams didn't win popular vote but didn't win electoral college either, was selected by house). Electoral College is actually a tool to protect the conservative minority.
This is also the case with New York, Virginia, and some other states in the rest of the country. The fact is the urban areas have more population than rural areas so the urban areas control the outcomes of elections. The only way to fix this is to have politicians that can work with both sides instead of fulfilling their own personal agendas.
That would be called CENTRISM. But, that doesn’t make shocking media headlines.
That would be great for dems. Permanent blue state.
True but lower electoral vote count
@@andersbeth6786 not by much. The population of the districts that would be lost is relatively negligible
Would be a true "Welfare State."
No, because they need the rural people to keep the plumbing and electricity running.
It's that way already. Californians flooded the state.
The Dumbing down of Murcia continues
What does a city in Spain have to do with Idaho and Oregon?
‘Murica*
@@MyHandelsMessiah I did say dumbing down 😂
More like Amerikkka
@@spinninsessions9626 hahaha the dumbing down is the people like you who are brainwashed by a democrat state media that uses racial politics to divide and control voters. If youre an American loser and its so bad..please leave. If just some loser from outside the USA please stay out forever.
If someone doesn’t like living where they are, and choose to leave-you can’t take the land you live on with you. Just move.
And even though the guy claims the rural/urban divide has been around for 100 years, we’ve elected republicans to statewide offices many times in past years-but no democrat is going to vote for a party that’s been going off the rails for the last twenty years.
Run good candidates, not extremists, and they’ll get elected occasionally.
Spoken like a true liberal turd
4:06 how delusional can someone be to think Family, Faith, and Freedom don’t exist in Urban America.
You’d be surprised
He says rural people have traditional values of family, faith and freedom. What does he feel Urban values are? Does he know anyone in urban areas. I have lived in both and find values of the average person the same. Both have their rebels and misfits.
Let's be honest. Urban people just look for freebies because middle class is hollowed out and it's mostly poor and elites.
@@carolsmith6253 then you must’ve never lived in a rural community, especially in farming they take government handouts just as much as any urban family…handouts are not supposed to be representative of being poor, they’re just what they are, to help stimulate the economy whether local or federal.
Traditional values are more meth, mayonnaise and mountain dew where I live in Southern Oregon.
@@naswiipp 😂😂idk but that was kinda funny…
Exactly, exactly! What do you think we value in the Willamette Valley? The same things, we just don't like Trump. (PS my cousin lives in Halfway, Oregon which is about as far away as you can get and still be in Oregon and they had meth and every other drug up in their community so don't tell me it's just the Willamette Valley or Southern Oregon that has a drug problem, it's all over Oregon)
“Moving is not the option”
Native Americans: “HA!”
Ikr... And then have the nerve to say ... "This is our land we've been here multiple generations"... Native Americans would beg to differ on that part 4 sure!
@@ms.reonalove9408 well said
We are a conquered people. That’s what happens. We lose our land and they move in, been like that since the dawn of time.
Look at the size of the Navajo nation. It is bigger than west Virginia, and these were their ancestoral lands. Look at the Hopi, Souix reservations, Crow, the black foot and the dozens and dozens of costal tribes in Washington state and Oregon that are still on their territorial land. You know the native Americans didn't have borders and treaties right? They were not all organized and settled like a bunch of States. This means there were HUGE GAPS in some places and Tons of overlap and concurrent claims in others. And for the over 400 HUNDREDS YEARS that we have all existed together they warred with each other and took each other's territory too.
Haha
Good for them, they are being ignored by the population centers and lead totally different lives
Right on rural Oregon!!! Go for Idaho You will be 100% more represented there
“We’re tied to our land…” so were native Americans.
Yep, and white hipster communist in Portland feel tied to country folk's tax money. What's your point?
@Jo SM Yeah! Why are the Natives gone though? So they should suck it up! The Natives did right! Just checking..
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I heard that too😳
And they took care of the land.
@Jo SM Ha! Displaced? Killed? Isn't that ironically moron ish for you to spew! No other ethnic group of people have been as savage than your European ancestors! And the beat still goes on right? i.e. Jan. 6th 2021 in full frontal view as an example. Again? The only people who want to whitewash history to fit it's sick deplorables of history are the denialist like yourself. Based on your statement you wouldn't know real history of it slapped you in the face! Lol. I refuse to be your History teacher today! Why? Because indoctrination is real and you buddie prove that! Move on because you're loss in the sauce and people like you and even your spawns will forever be mentally inept to face or handle the truth! Why? Because it's your nature! Uncivilized that is! SMH... If the shoe fits where it! Unapologetically and respectfully speaking! Just because you want to put it in a box with your little bow of choice doesn't make it rightfully so! To the point of succession? Ain't going to happen! Period! Wish on... Good day!
"Divided we fall"
Waste of time.
@@Greater_Idaho sorry the "cultural divide" isn't a real thing!!! Being mad you lost a vote isn't culture!
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 wasn't a loss if it was stolen.
@@ryeguy7941 this guy with stolen routine.
😂😂 Take the L with some honor.
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 if Biden won fair and square than why is your side against any questioning of his win?
@@ryeguy7941 first I'm not on either side so don't associate me with one. Also several of your own states have done recounts and found nothing to turn the vote. It's kinda world news.
Like minded values makes it ok to move state borders? That's insanity
that’s america.
why is that? they were made up to start with.
only thing insane is the government of oregon watching their city burn
@@myname-yr8tz hard to believe but true...
Oregon has been insane for a loooong time now 😂 so to say THATS insane is really comical lmao 🤣 but i moved away from that side of the country cuz they straight up tweaking out there smh. I dont blame the rural people for feeling that way. Dealing with all these crazy MF’s and then when it comes to try to vote for change you get over shadowed. Meanwhile they live in a rural area, not a concentrated city. Their needs vastly differ from the rest. And seems like their voices have been falling on deaf ears for too long and they took action. Good for them 🤷🏻♂️
We're living in the weirdest timeline
Delete this comment right now or you're gonna jinx it.
“We like our land, we like our schools...” so you like where you live. Where you live is Oregon.
This sounds more like “I lost a game of candy land, so I don’t want to play with you anymore”
No, this is about our state being taken over by the idiots from Commiefornia.
@@Christina-71 “your state” That’s the problem right there.
@@Christina-71 Nope. No one's "taking over" at all. People from California are moving to Oregon, which they have a right to do, and they are taking their values with them, which they also have a right to do. You don't get to control where other people go and live, and you don't get to control their values. Otherwise America would go from the "land of the free" to the "land of tyranny." And what even is "Commiefornia?" You know that isn't a real place, right?🤔
@@Christina-71 ⏮🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@mycatisawhore9336 No, I don't even watch CNN. And no, I know plenty about what this movement is about. It's about creating a white ethnostate and taking land and resources from Oregon. As much as I oppose that, if urban areas in red states (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Jacksonville, Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, Memphis, ect, ect, the list goes on and on) were allowed to become their own states that are able to truly and freely practice their values, then I suppose it would be fair if rural areas in Washington, Oregon, and California would be allowed to join Idaho. Anything else, however, is pure hypocrisy, since you'd want one type of political community to gain power but not others.
Ain't gonna happen.
Hey, I have a great idea, get rid of electoral college and then everyones vote counts. How does that sound? lol
It sounds like it would give more power to the urban centers. The point of the Electorals is to keep one or two states from getting all of the power.
This growing wave of Anti-Federalism in a country this large and geographically diverse is already causing problems. Abolishing the Electoral College would only worsen our situation. It’s hard to picture a future where abolishing the Electoral College doesn’t lead to massacres and maybe even outright politicide.
Just imagine how all of the gun-toting rural folk would feel if Donald Trump lost to Biden again in 2024 because the city folk voted for Biden and there was no Electoral College to act as a final decision. Every vote would be called into question. The rural folk would storm every city in the country and hold the cities hostage until they got their way.
Or worse, what if Biden died, Kamala took over, and then lost to Trump in 2024? Every vote would be called into question, there would be no Electoral College to make the final decision, and the city folk would be beyond pissed. The country folk, fearing that their votes would be tossed out, would form vigilante groups and protect the ballot areas. Widespread accusations of voter intimidation and election meddling would build up. The city folk would attack the vigilantes, fearing the vigilantes are aiding in rigging the election.
Getting rid of the Electoral College is a horrible idea. If you think the Electoral College is bad, the popular vote is simply worse. The Electoral College acts as a buffer. Getting rid of this buffer would end this country after only a few election cycles, assuming we get more than one.
@@josephhoward4697 Well, most of this country never wanted Trump as president in 2016, we ended up with that idiot who gave free rein to systematic stupidity, and now look what happened to this country. Most of us knew it was going to be a problem while the minority totally ignored it and still do to this day. We made the same point in 2020 but with greater numbers, but Trumpers still showed just how stupid they were by trying to dismantle our democracy based off of Trump's favorite tactic, to lie. So, we don't want those so easily deceived by lies making decisions for this country. So, if Trump wins in 2024 (I hope he is in jail by then) when the majority of this country doesn't want him, I see that as a problem...
@@josephhoward4697 The rural folk would storm every city in the country and hold the cities hostage until they got their way. Umm.. Kind of like the city folks have been doing for a few years now?
Or people can care about the primaries just as much as presidential elections considering they all connect.
Isn't Oregon causing problems to their farmers over water
No we are protecting endangered fish and fulfilling treaty obligations. Farmers are just the ones who expect more than their share.
I'm a Democrat that lives in a predominately republican city. Been living here for 10 years now. The Mayor has always been a republican, no matter how many times I vote for a Democratic candidate. Suck it up cupcakes, or move.
Same. Crying about it isn't going to fix anything. If only they had someone like Stacy Abrams to help them. Lol
If that’s true you live in a city without major homelessness
I live in a Ghetto Un Safe Democrat Run city.. Top to Bottom for 70 Years. Everyone Democrats.. and all they do is blame Trump for the issues.. Time to split as a country. You can keep your Transgenger Storytime for Kids in your life
@@EB-du3vh The top 50 Cities for Violence , and Homeless all Democrat run top to bottom. Go figure
@@princesspeach6457 This country won't be "splitting" any time soon. Political "splitting" not enough for you?
Besides, how are your piss poor states going to survive economically, what with slavery having been abolished?
You guys just going to keep on accepting shitty starvation wages at your jobs? Or just take over where the slaves left off, working for room no board? Getting whipped and lynched when you don't perform satisfactorily? 🤣👍
Either move to Idaho, or stay in Oregon where you currently live. You don’t just get to change your state and our borders because you lost the game of life. We’re not roses either
You don't? Tell that to Maine and West Virginia.
@@jamescurran6277 I don’t really care about their problems, sorry.
@@Pearlie80 You're not very bright are you? 🤦♀️
@@vanessaconn23 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Pearlie80 wait,.I just realized you really don't have any idea what I'm talking about. Not surprising really.
That city councilman clay just explained his understanding of forcing the other side, the individual people to conform to his ideological outlook. Same as all democrats.
Imagine 5 people being mad they don't have a say over 10 people
I think its because they don't want to be associated with that portland shithole
I control more land so my vote should count more.
Votes are representative of people, not geography.
So if much of Oregon wants to be part of Idaho, you would support it.
@@daleorr6112 I honestly don't care since it won't really affect me if they do. That said, you missed the sarcasm. The argument that rural votes should count more is archaic. It traces back to land ownership and even slavery being the basis for it. Just because you control more land doesn't mean your vote should carry more weight.
@@Johnny_C137 It is on the Constitution that less populated states exert more power per person.
@@daleorr6112 And McConnell is proof why that's not working.
@@Johnny_C137 The Constitution changed the world. Democrats hate it and America. That is a tragedy that half the people in a country want to destroy it and replace it with medeocracy.
That's going to be a rude wake-up to those making minimum wage. $11.50 dropping to $7.25 and now they'll have to pay sales tax.
Depending on how hard inflation hits Idaho, this may or may not be a tradeoff. Usually price levels would make this a fair trade depending on where you live, but because prices are skyrocketing, yeah this would probably suck.
They don't care. They want to become like texas, where the people at the top get more money, but the economic opportunity is one of the lowest in the country.
Yeah probably, however Idaho has very low state income taxes while Oregon has one of the highest marginal tax rates in the nation.
I’ve recently driven through Idaho. Most service jobs are paying 12$ an hour and they still can’t find enough staff.
@@nikhilnewse3318 before you start bragging about Texas lets not forget they can't even keep the lights on. Here in SD we laughed at the thought of everyone freezing in 30 degree weather while we're playing outside. Now they can't even deal with the summer electrical issues. PLEASE QUIT TALKING TEXAS UP.
All of us in western and Southern Illinois have been trying this for years. Last election 26 counties voted for it!
Anyone ever hear of a concept where, no need to fix what isn't broken?! In perspective, there's only a small percentage of citizens in both Oregon and Idaho thay wants this change. There is no real pertinent reason for doing so. Should we now start going state to state to ask a small portion of its citizens which state they'd now like to become?! What type of logic is there
Imagine waking up from a coma and finding out you’re now an idahoan😫
If you want to be part of Idaho then go to Idaho. They are the kid on the basketball court that looses the game and now wants to take their ball and go home lol.
Idaho is a red state and going to be RED
@@nuranarrowood5808 cool nobody cares and nobody wants to go to Idaho at all, fly over state and forever will be
Umm no actually it’s called local democracy.
Just like if you don’t like DC being stateless, move to Virginia or Maryland. None of you frauds will respond to this.
@@tysonreuter5788 not having statehood at all and simply not being part of the state you'd prefer are two entirely different things bud
Never going to happen.
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Definitely a waste of time and air
When people in large counties own larger then life property doesnt mean they get more voting right means they pay more in land taxes. The cost to owning a lot of land and not seeing your neighbor for a few 20 or so miles.
Good. I fully support this and will vote for this accordingly.
I live in eastern Oregon. My county voted to “secede”. This will never happen. Does Idaho want to take on all these impoverished counties? I doubt it. If it wasn’t for the tax base in the urban areas these counties would be hurting even more. However, should this happen, I’ll be leaving.
LMAO…. You call them Impoverished? Portland is a shithole and bend is on its way to be the next shithole… rural areas are FLOURISHING… they would be a fantastic addition to Idaho… and kick out all the liberals from Idaho while you’re at it.
Idaho has sales tax. Yes, please go to Idaho
@@cybertrk from a financial/economic perspective urban areas (cities and their suburbs) have generally been more prosperous. You can have your opinion about cities but the fact is cities are generally wealthier than rural areas
@@dustywaxhead That depends on how you define wealthier, almost every major American city in this country has its ghettos and places like Detroit have hundreds of thousands of houses and areas that are completely abandoned.
I grew up in the Chicago area I can tell you my life's experience has led me to the point where I think high density population centers are cancers to the body and the soul.
@@ericb4127And there's plenty poor rural areas.
Rome (a high density city) has stood for thousands of years. From a logical perspective that means people have decided that city's pros have outweighed the cons. While not all cities are created equal I don't see people in mass rejecting cities and fleeing to the country. If that's the lifestyle you want by all means go for it. I view cities and countryside as a yin and yang for a country
Why is this even news and not just another Republican temper tantrum? Without an act of Congress it's not going to happen. D.C. becoming a state or Puerto Rico is news. State lines will never be redrawn.
You commie's on the left have been throwing a temper tantrum for the last 5 years. Why don't you all move to china or Russia ? I'm sure with your values you'd be much happier until you actually live in the society you think you want.
DC cannot be a state, per the constitution no state can own the capital. How would that be news? It's literally the democrats trying to violate the constitution to get more voting power.
@@Diggerdog2nd Russia is your friend not the majority of Americans. Numbers don't lie and you are free to play follow the loser all you want.
@@lagon7830 actually DC can be a state by simply shrinking the capital footprint to the capital and the mall. All Americans should be represented. Not just the Trump MINORITY.
@@omsonmn_inde6978 I absolutely do believe that they should be protected. I'm fully vaccinated and still wear a mask to protect the developmentally challenged. It my civic duty and something I swear an oath to when I volunteered for the army.
plot twist: abc produce this news to just let the reporter kayak on the beautiful river
"We can't beat them at the ballot box so we're taking our ball and going somewhere else"
Good, we won't miss you!
Well, I wouldn’t want to live in a state with the sorts of ideas coming out of Portland Oregon either
@@stoplaurelhubbard9207 yeah its such a terrible idea to try and help others instead of throwing them away like trash. But you do you
@@Romulus503 how are they helping anyone?
@@Romulus503 are you referring to black lives matter? Black lives matter is the biggest scam... 8 unarmed black men have been killed by police each year since 2015
@@stoplaurelhubbard9207 Its almost like people protesting and advocating against violence for hundreds of years has improved treatment. Just so you know, black people dont need to die to be discriminated against by police. 🤡
The counties comprise 2% of the population of Oregon
Those counties do not realize that Idaho cannot afford to support them to the extent that the urban areas of Oregon can
Sounds like they need to move to Idaho 😂
@@Greater_Idaho sorry but did you people ever think about it THAT way when you say “if you don’t like it here then leave!” when trying to own the libs, or when just talking to a darker skinned person in general?
@@Greater_Idaho nah, I bet you didn’t think about the expenses of someone ELSE moving because you demand they go elsewhere to live
@@georgeburns8309 that would be the Neanderthal like thought of a conservative
@@MyHandelsMessiah What's your problem? They're trying to do things using the ballot box. Why are you salty?
@@holdmybeer123 there is not a legal mechanism for what they want other than personally moving to the other state.
I’m not salty, I’m just pointing out that they are “trying to have their cake and eat it too”, which is not how the USA works
Urban areas have always subsidized rural ones. I imagine many of the city dwellers in Oregon would be happy to not have this tax burden anymore.
Idaho is going to ultimately be the one to reject this. This would bankrupt the state and the counties voting to leave.
Rural areas have always fed the urban areas.
@@notquiteanonymous9365 And they are only capable of doing that on the scale they do today due to urban developed technology.
Not everyone's on board though. Shows picture of crusty hippy.
Crusty hippy? That dude is a strait up Marxist Communist terrorist.
I found it ironic how he says the two sides need to compromise when the far left Marxist’s such as himself are the least compromising group in our society.
@@SpookyFow talking about terrorism as an american is pretty rich. all you do with your tax money is supporting terrorism done by your own federal government lol.
@@metalvideos1961 If you actually paid taxes, which I doubt you ever have, what country would have been the beneficiary? Sorry, I forgot I'm talking to a Communist. Where are you from?
@@SpookyFow I pay taxes. And my taxes are being used to fix my country for example. Something Americans don't know how that is. America literally falls apart. Anyway I am Dutch. And funny that you use the word communist. I am 100 percent sure that you don't know what it is. How sad2
a nice distraction for them. gives the qanoners something to do now that their leader has abandoned them
I know the feeling. Living in a red state when I'm blue. But thats life. Your votes still count and that's that.
Exactly
@sleepy joe you never know when that's going change. Esp now that only 30% or less are supportive of the GOP shenanigans.
So you enjoy low taxes, low cost of living and most likely low crime. Good for you.
@@jamescurran6277 yeah but in my red state their are no jobs and their are more people leaving than coming in
@@Anna-fl3sv where do ya get your information?
As an example of “news” this falls woefully short of being in the least bit informative. What exactly are their grievances, “not being represented” or complaining that a small portion of land owners is making decisions for the whole state isn’t informative. What, pray tell, are these separatists so put upon about? How are they being, or not being, represented?
They never win elections because they're a minority in the state.
@@m0L3ify that doesn’t excuse the piss poor “news” reporting.
That's a great point. When watching this I felt a lot of their grievances were left out intentionally to make the story left vs right. I honestly believe that there's more to this issue than the election.
Got to give to the councilman for not falling to the bipartisan trap
Let’s have a meeting about something that can never happen.
Let's see now, What have I heard before from republicans in the decades past. "Love it, or, Leave it." Yeah, that's it.
My family has been in Oregon since the mid-1800s, Both Rural and Urban. I have lived and done well in both. But the better opportunities are found in urban environments, with the hope to make enough money to purchase a retirement in a rural setting. Without the Urban contributions to the rural communities both in State monies and Tourism, they would be in much worse conditions. If they just want more power in determining the States path, Vote in people who will work for the entire State and its total population. Tom McCall, Rep. was a Great Governor and a great example. Otherwise, take their own words and turn them into action. "Love it or Leave it." Oregon's borders will remain the same.
For a History lesson, Idaho, Washington, and even parts of Montana, was within the Oregon Territory. Oregon History is a huge part of the United States History. You won't find a perfect solution by changing the name of where you live. Even in Idaho the Oregon Trail runs through the entire State on it's way to the Willamette Valley and from there spread beyond to the shores of the Oregon Coast completely open to All people of the Nation and the World.
Thank you and very well said!
One key flaw to what u said-u can't vote in people to change it if ur very vote is equivalent to pissing in the wind...with that huge urban setting down below it will always cancel out the rural votes..
@@benrent6625 So what you really want is for rural folks votes to be worth more than other peoples. That's not how Democracy works...perhaps you might be interested in a more Communist version of governance?
@@GUNNYCANUCK I think the correct word would be fascism rather communism. Communism is not there equivalent of undemocratic rule because it is the exact opposite.
Are the needs of people in rural areas really that different than people in urban areas? Do they not care about education, health care, and a livable wage? And what has the Republican Party actually done to benefit normal people in rural areas? The GOP cares more about corporations and billionaires than average people.
Soon it will be every county for itself. Sad state of affairs. God bless America & save all Oregonian's. Keep Oregon as it is !
Why can't they leave? Portland is garbage and they want out lol
@@someguy7029 They can leave. Sell their house, travel across the border, buy a new house, done....
How about yall get some more parties? that way your politicians actually have to work together and the votes aren’t entirely split between two parties each filled with people with completely different political opinions.
I wish I was this naive.
"Actually have to work together"
You clearly don't know what a politicians job is.
@@roudyman777 typical yank🤡
multiple major parties would be awesome! It would give a lot more choice in elections, however, our simple majority system by nature makes it extremly difficult for a third party to gain enough support to become revalant
really.
Ever hear of INDEPENDANTS?
MMM.
Guess not.
Luckily they have the right to move if they don’t like where they live. Freedom baby!
They also have the right to change the state line
@Mastodon1976 Sure they can... educate yourself
@Brian Alt If I wanted to move, your correct.
@@berganmayDo you live in that part of Oregon?
@@berganmay nope, states decide what the borders between them are.
3:18 let’s ask the guy in the Star Wars Imperial hat what he thinks.
All Americans learned not to judge a book by its cover in kindergarten. “Low hanging fruit” is what actual joke writers would call your attempt at comedy.
If ABC it’s going to do a story on this then they need to include everything and the real reason why these people want to be done with Oregon in the first place but they’re not telling you the real reason why
What is the reason?
This is privilege, instead of just moving to Idaho, they want to re-draw the borders.
Exactly. They are showing their rural privilege. This is also racist. I'm not sure how, but I want to be cool in this liberal comment section. If you disagree with something, you just call it racist, right?
Ego, pure ego.
It's freedom not privilege. Just get right knucklehead.
Why move to a State when you can move the State to you?
Erickg unless you're being sarcastic you are the very reason these people want to change the borders and nobody with the Is cognitive ability above that of a dog blames them.
Why hasn’t urban Texas cities become their own states by this notion?
Or just leave the state where they share your ignorant Politics 🤷
@papi chulo Then tell your illegal liberals to stop fleeing there if it's "So bad".
@@joeyharper4976 what are you talking about, goofy Republican? And I thought you were moving to Russia? You goofy human.
Russia sounds pretty good now that Joe Biden approved their pipeline.
@@tysonreuter5788 then move there already.
This is beautiful. Just imagine California shrunk down to a narrow strip of coastline from San Diego to San Francisco.
The Medford councilman is clueless
Idaho has no legal recreational marijuana or medicinal marijuana. All those dispensaries and farms would have to close down. They don’t even allow small amounts of cannabis in anyone’s possession.
That part.
@Matthew Hodge great addition to the conversation.
Single issue voter you are. But I cannot blame you, I am a single issue voter as well, except I care more about immigration than any other issue.
I doubt it. Likely they would be grandfathered in to the deal and become the only legal growers in the state.
@@SuperBlobsterMan Ha! Who would buy the product if it’s not legal?
Their ancestors already tried this back in the 1860's. They never learn.
@@jamesh.6208 I just got stupider reading your comment. Thanks
@@jamesh.6208 oh no Not having to worry about getting shot in a grocery store, or racists trying to suppress my vote or being protected from discrimination. Oh no I'm not having a good life. 🥺
@@jamesh.6208 The Willamette Valley is the agriculture center. Much of the rest may have ranching and need water that is in shorter and shorter supply. Some of these counties have 7,000 to 30,000 people in them. It's lots of land and desert but low in population. And yes their ancestor didn't own slaves because Oregon didn't allow black people into Oregon.
@@dianesawtell7216 Well spoken
@@jamesh.6208 Actually, there is. I am one, and I live a happy life.
Easiest enough just stop shipping any rural goods to the city. Portland will start eaching other in a week.
It's obvious you have no clue how the world works. Or how to write a sentence.
Southern Illinois is pushing to do the same thing. They arre tired of the entire state being run by Chicago.
Like I am fed up with the piss pot states running the Senate But you think that is ok, right?