The movement to shrink Oregon and expand Idaho
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- Опубликовано: 2 сен 2023
- In a state dominated by progressive politics, some residents in rural Oregon east of the Cascade Mountains want to move the border so that their counties become part of Idaho, a more conservative state that more closely aligns with their values. Correspondent Lee Cowan returns to Oregon for an update on his story (originally broadcast Oct. 16, 2022), in which he talks with advocates of the Greater Idaho movement about why they believe the time is right for this "radical" idea.
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I support making Idaho wider on the condition that it is renamed to "Wideaho"
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Oregonaho?
this is the only way
Never sell shoes to a monkey!
@@anahata77 lol
I’ve missed this type of journalism, fair and human
Yes well done fake news CBS!
you are just happy because this video just showed your side of the argument. F tool.
@@arthurmorgan332 relax arthur morgan 🙄
What part of "Losing the popular vote" don't these MAGATS get?
@@arthurmorgan332literally so many people in the comments are saying how fair it is. Plus, I don’t see how it’s not, so
This is true journalism and reporting. Feels kinda nostalgic
facts its a rare treat
It’s always like this on their weekend morning shows. I like the pacing too.
It’s still heavily skewed conservative seeing as if it were truly objective then they would also point out that conservatives are hardline secessionists when they don’t get what they want.
That's why America is going downhill.
Like Walter Cronkite nostalgic?
You could probably find this exact situation in a lot of places honestly. Chicago vs the rest of Illinois comes to my mind. I don't think it needs to be a heavily partisan topic either -- if you live in a dense urban center you need governance and policies that attend to urban issues, and if you live in a remote rural area then those same policies and governance end up being kind of incoherent when applied to you.
This was part of the reason I was fine with leaving Illinois after graduating community college. There are realistically no opportunities in Southern Illinois, property taxes are always on the rise, and methamphetamine/opioid usage has greatly increased in the past ten years. It makes no sense to me because that is a prime area for manufacturing facilities or any other kind of business and yet maybe local municipalities are preventing anything from happening? I'm honestly curious to figure out more about the situation. It was a great area for me to grow up in, but I'm not sure the same could be said in this day and age. But at this point I feel as if many have given up because of such a strong divide between the two parts of the state.
Exactly. I live in Colorado; the only reason it’s a blue state is a little strip of land along the eastern front range, from Denver to Ft. Collins. The rest is red. That probably makes it 25% of the land in Colorado which is blue - but that’s where all of the people live.
It’s the whole reason the electoral college is a farce. States get 2 votes allocated for senators/land votes and 1 vote for each congressional district. That means states like Wyoming (half a million people) get the same 2 votes as California which has millions and millions of people - giving red states an automatic advantage over blue state because there are more red states than blue.
@@arlarl5122 Well - what you describe about senate votes vs house votes is a feature not a bug ….because of exactly what I said about Chicago. Why should everyone else in Illinois have their lives dictated by what specifically make sense for Chicagoans? … they shouldn’t. Similarly the people of Colorado shouldn’t all be governed by what it’s like to live in Denver. This is why the congressional districts for the house are weighted to population and the senate seats are weighted towards equity between entire states. Writ large - California should NEVER have say or power over the people of Wyoming. Ever. The fact that they have population density ought to be protected against (federally) … the rule making and governance should be handled at the local level not nationally… the larger the geographical area that you upscale to, the less broad rules apply.
Edit to add: the senate seats aren’t an automatic advantage… they’re a check against the “advantage” of population concentration in the house … which is why there’s a bicameral legislature
If you're suggesting Indiana claim most of Central Illinois, We are open for discussion. 😂 (Not serious)
The issue is funding. I don't think Rural Oregon or Rural Illinois voters comprehend just how much of their respective States' money comes from Portland and Chicago. The divorce would go well right up until people start complaining about diminishing quality of services.
So they want the state to look like a middle finger. Very appropriate.
it's a thumb's up. They would be showing where they live on the thumb's up like Michiganders point to their hand
Lol awesome!
To the radical left-wing zealots in Portland? I'm not a fan of sticking up the middle finger at anyone. However, it might be fitting here.
As others have mentioned, Why? What are the reasons or issues they want to split the state? How are they underrepresented?
@@jaminova_1969 it is very common in the West to have the mega-cities with centralized services vote in all state-wide regulations that affect rural areas on the other side of the state (happens in WA and CA too). Regulations about electric cars sales and gun laws that are "needed" in urban areas make no sense when there is no electric infrastructure or quick police response for the farmers and ranchers. Telling 2 million 1/4 acre homeowners they can't use "X" on their lawns is completely different than what a 1000 cattle ranchers will do with their 160 acres of grazing land, but they will set the caught in the same reg.
The same issue is in Washington state, not just Oregon.
It's not an issue. It is a handful of people in the sticks that want their votes to mean more than the vast majority of the people in the state.
@@TheJosephPricewhat's the problem? Both sides win if we separate. Blue areas don't get bothered with political opposition, would get reduced taxes. The red would get better representation. What's is the downside?
I would say the problem is more severe in Washington State due to it’s larger population. Eastern WA may not be as populated as western WA but it’s not a bunch of towns in the sticks. Once your cross the cascades it’s pretty much a new state in not just in politics but industry, culture and geography. I don’t think Washington should split, but it is clear both sides think they’re bringing each-other down.
I'm from Washington and have been wanting to move for a while. What sucks is when democrats completely destroy their living situations they will move too and do the same thing. 20 dollar minimum wage and 2000k rent for a roach infested box. And crime. Lots of it
I live in Washington. There is a super majority in Olympia and it is mob rule. The policies they pass effect the whole state. Carbon tax, effects rural and Middle class the hardest. No police pursuits, huge explosion in stolen cars being used as battering rams. Hands off on drugs and "homeless". That has created a huge explosion in drug addicts from across the country coming here. No cash bail, putting criminals right back on the street.
Defund the police, now 600 officers below the level it should be in Seattle, equating to more crime. It expands beyond Olympia and effects the whole state. And no, not everybody in this state wants to live like the mob rule in this state. By January we will be paying over 6.00 a gallon at the pump, and if the carbon tax remains it will be over 7 by the end of the year next year. Who will that hurt the most? Everything will go up because of it, food, building supplies, services etc. Because everybody will be passing the tax down the line. Public transportation is nor a solution for everybody, nor will it alleviate the prices of goods and services.
This is quite fair, human reporting. Well done CBS.
Well-done fake news CBS!
true congrats CBS
Is it really fair? Or does it just show your side?
@@arthurpeters1996 - that’s what the left no longer understands or refuse to acknowledge: that there are at least two sides to every issue. If one side, right or wrong, is not even allowed to be heard, then there is no fairness. So, yes, allowing them to voice their opinion is fair. Especially considering their concerns regard, quite literally, taxation without representation-the cornerstone issue of our nation’s founding and the ultimate crafting of the Constitution.
Eh, it may be neutral in tone, but fair and balanced? That requires the dissenting voice and obstacles to be reported as well. And both those are strangely absent.
Couldn’t every red citizen living in a blue state as well as every blue citizen living in a red state claim the same problem?
No because the Red states follow the Constitution, they're not totalitarian like the Blue states.
The problem is that people in blue states vote in crazy politicians and when they destroy the state, those very same blue voters who can afford to leave, go to a well run red state and then proceed to vote in the very same kind of politicians who destroyed the states they came from. Kind of like a locust infestation you didn't ask for. Out west, Californians have now destroyed 4 or 5 states depending on how it goes in Arizona. In the east, New Yorkers have ruined a good chunk of New England and a number of other states like NJ, PA , MD and DE. People in those states who see what's going on are moving to free states. Mass migration because of political failures. U-Haul loves democrats.
Yes
I live in the dead center of my state and I don't like the laws!! My town is now no longer part of that state as a result. I just said so.
No, because there is not a definitive line that separates communities with opposing political views in both red states and blue states. Everyone living in both red states and blue states are fused together, there isn't a geographical border separating them. This video showcases a very rare incident where communities with strongly opposing political viewpoints are able to recognize a direct border between each other. This is just an extremely rare case.
For the record this is not the first time Oregonians have wanted to split from the more urban parts. There has been a long standing movement in Southern Oregon/Northern California to form the 51st state. For those unfamiliar look up “the state of Jefferson”
Unfortunately just wanting to become a new state isn’t enough to actually become a new state. Puerto Rico has been a US territory for over 100 years, and with a population of well over 3 million, it’s larger than 20 of the existing states already. Puerto Ricans are already US citizens and they have already voted multiple times to become a state.
And that’s a pretty straightforward case of just turning a territory into a state. For California and Oregon to both cede territory AND also have that become a state? Just not happening.
@@caseyfergus6614Puerto Rico keeps voting for the status quo. The referendums held there aren't counted because not enough people show up and vote
I lived in Northern California and had to put up with this "State of Jefferson" nonsense for over 20 years. Oregon and California aren't going to let part of each state secede without getting something in return for infrastructure they paid to be put in.
I believe it was called Greater Idaho.
@@NPAMike This "State of Jefferson" nonsense has been around for years long before some people in inland Northern California counties wanted to be part of "Greater Idaho." The "State of Jefferson" started out as kind of a joke that lasted only for one day Dec. 6, 1941.
There are states both red and blue with the same problems. I don't agree that the solution is to move a state border.
mdc - AGREE!!! (see my comment above)
Portland is ground zero for "progressiveism".
@@fkutube933 So what, it's still just a city, not a whole state. Literally what even is your point
@@fkutube933 Oh no not ground zero
Yes, a very moronic idea.
I hope that Idaho can make Oregon more peaceful if they do this. I love Idaho’s wholesome nature that I grew up with. I pray that it will remain so and special.
What did we do to you that makes you want to hurt us?
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u I don’t want to hurt. Just hope Idaho will use friendliness and caring, hoping that everyone will get along. i was only referring to the Portland riots, maybe you can tell us about the rest of Oregon….what that’s like, because I don’t know. I just mean being a peacemaker in the Christian sense of the word….that’s not trying to make people do anything, just promoting peace with kindness. But I do not live in Idaho anymore. I miss it, though. There was a very caring feeling among neighbors, and I feel a wholesome feeling when I pass through there….memories of better days.
@@katherinem.4414 Western Oregon is very pretty. especially on the Coast. The Willamette Valley is where most Oregonians live. Good soil with the Willamette River depositing the Valley. About halfway south of Portland is Eugene, a big town. Between that valley and the Coast is a medium height mountain range, pretty but sparsely populated. Crossing the Cascade Mountains to the east one finds Crater Lake National Park and Bend, Oregon and a high desert plateau. I visited the high desert museum twice near Bend. "Lots of lava deposits nearby. Dry country north to Columbia River country which is dry. East from Bend is Prineville. Dry. On to Idaho Border. Not especially pretty. The one fourth of the state, the southeast one fourth is about as dry as one can find in America. Miles of desert south and east to Idaho and Nevada. Most very dry land and vast forests are administered by Bureau of Land Management or the U.S. Forest Service, leaving little private land. Except for Washington, most western states have lots of land that is unlivable. In Idaho most of the population lives along the Snake River and its biggest tributaries and in the northern Panhandle, near the Spokane, Washington Metro area.
@@user-sk7zc1fc5u how does this hurt you?
@@007kingifrit Because if dry desert eastern Oregon becomes a part of our state, our taxes which are going up fast due to radical conservatives moving in from coastal states who sell high in their state and have money to burn, and then our taxes go up plus who will pay for all the infrastructure that my taxes will pay for when people move in because Idaho is "free"?
Have you driven much around Eastern Oregon? Take a drive to Burns and then 91 miles to Burns Junction, then 65 miles to the Idaho border, and then to Mc Dermitt, and then try to find a paved road over a hundred miles to Lake Abert and Paisley. Look at a map and try to find roads from Baker City to Burns Junction.
Idaho has a little bad country in the very SW but nothing like in Oregon. Idaho has a little over 82,000 square miles and Oregon has almost 96 ,000 square miles, and twice as many people. Idaho has very little usable land as it is and getting more unproductive land does not help. There is little civilization 20 miles north or south of the Snake River, though it improves going north from Pocatello and then becomes sparse at Rexburg. And the Panhandle is 20--50 miles wide that's livable. I study maps a lot.
This isn't the first time these concerns have been brought up. Washington Territory was created from Oregon because the territorial government in Salem was not taking Puget Sound's concerns into account. A movement developed to break the two territories apart and they were split. Its all been done before.
I applaud this reporting. So unbiased and fair.
Refreshing for once. And surprising for CBS
Surpringly
Is it?
It's a nice change.
I’ve been watching Sunday morning news for years now. This type of reporting is very common. Clearly some people have no idea what they’re talking about.
They aren't aligned with Boise, Idaho. Boise is Blue. The rest of Idaho is Red. Eastern OR benefits greatly from the Blue part of the state. If Idaho takes on Eastern OR, we add more expenses not beneffits.
As for being the minority in a state, just ask the Dems in Idaho. The Republicans just laugh at us and do whatever they want.
Boise will be great once it is like San Francisco. Poop in the streets!
Agreed - schools, roads, & other public services in rural counties are usually subsidized by tax revenue in cities. Moving to Idaho would likely increase the tax burden on Idahoans.
yeah I moved to this region (eastern oregon) about a year ago, I grew up more liberal and left leaning (odd ball of the family) in Alabama and Louisiana. It's kind of funny how the folks out here think they're being personally targeted and persecuted and I'm like ya'll it's literally like this in damn near every state. Whichever party isn't in charge gets ignored. I lived my whole life having my opinions and beliefs either being stepped over or stepped on, you can tell people out here aren't used to feeling like their opinion doesn't matter
Exactly! This situation is literally in every state. Dems in Texas are also stuck under Republican control.
The bottom line: people want to be heard and represented
Great reporting as always, thanks Sunday Morning. As far as the issue at hand: I fail to see how eastern Oregon's complaint is any different from the dozens of other situations in the US where a geographically distinct minority feels unrepresented by the state majority. Nashville went +30 for Biden and yet at the state governance level Tennessee is in a race with other states to become the reddest in the union, and gerrymandering has divided Nashville into 3 republican-majority congressional districts. Zero congressional representation for a large city that went +30 for Biden. Why is that any less unjust than what eastern Oregonians are experiencing? Why not add Nashville to Oregon while we're at it? How about the total lack of federal representation for Puerto Ricans and Washington DC residents, despite both of those places having larger populations than 4 or 5 US states? Or the fact that Wyoming enjoys the same Senatorial power as California despite having a population of 500K vs California's 39 Million? On the other side of the aisle, how do you think Illinois feels being totally dominated by Chicago despite the rest of the state being overwhelmingly red? Ditto for NY state. And try as they might to prevent it, it sure looks like it's only a matter of time before the same happens to Texas (ruby-red-rural but going blue because of the rapidly expanding cities). State borders may not be immutable but I'm sorry Eastern Oregon, if you think you're the only ones getting shafted, guess again.
explain states like illinois and michigan then where one densely populated liberal city decides for the entire conservative state
@@thenelsonbruhs722 even Connecticut is usually red except for the city areas
@@shadowmandeathstroke8232 rural Americans have gotten sick of cities dictating our lives
That’s not to say that cities shouldn’t be allowed to make the laws they like. But I don’t want their laws dictating my day to day life
@@thenelsonbruhs722 good point. We want representation in government independent of our beliefs, color and geographic location. Wherever an imbalance of representation exists, we might find solutions in having representation based on land area and not people in that area. Merely thinking out loud. On which issues do people feel they are under-represented?
@@thenelsonbruhs722 Rural Americans are vastly outnumbered by their urban counterparts. Can't expect to be pandered to when you make up a small fraction of the overall population.
Just like George Carlin once said. "If voting really matterd they wouldn't let you do it."
That was actually fair and balanced reporting.
It wasn't balanced at all. It was entirely showing one side of the argument, without any balance on the other perspectives. And it let the lying right winger tell his lies without labeling them lies, or pushing back at all.
This is what right wingers actually want, when they ask for "fair and balanced."
for the first time.
It's Ted Koeppel; he'd have it no other way.
Actually yeah..... except they make it sound like the divide is the Cascades when in reality, its basically only Multnomah and Lane counties that have lost their minds.
Was it?
This is stupid. Then they should carve out Austin and Houston because they are always being outvoted.
That's exactly what's happening here, except the opposite ('coastal elites' dominate politically). Here the divide would be easy because it's a mountain range. It's more of a chop than a carve out. Of course moving in with Idaho would change nothing politically. Idaho is already red af. It's stupid, ridiculous and mostly symbolic. (Disclaimer: me -> coastal elite from seattle).
Don't forget to carve out Chicago and just about every large city.
This piece in a nutshell shows why and how the American experiment is failing. LAND is not the issue, POPULATION is. The bigger cities usually are blue even in red states (i.e., New Orleans in blood-red Louisiana). That's because in cities you are exposed to diversity in the population, as well as the issues of cities, which changes your attitude. Residents in rural areas, if they do not have the majority of the party they support (in this case, MAGA and/or Repugnicans)-need to change the political climate where they live ALL OVER THEIR STATE, or learn to live with it. Because that's how America works. I could say the same thing to them about the blue city where I live. We hate the fact that our state legislature is dominated by the obnoxious (and ignorant) hillbilly Republicans. Are we throwing a tantrum about taking over the rest of the state's land? NOPE. This is just ridiculous.
Plus Dallas/Ft.Worth, El Paso, and San Antonio.
Without those 5 metro areas, Texas would be a Mississippi/West Virginia-style failed state.
@@jramsey9690💯
I can understand wanting to separate because of regional differences and not being represented, but state legislatures of both states have to approve the measure and then 3/4 of federal government have to approve the measure which will not likely reach the support needed.
GOP legislators walked out - there'd be "representation of the red voters" if they didn't cosplay. Also only 60^ of the VAN Id's as GOP. The rest are sane.
Eastern Washington has the same problem. I wonder if it would be easier to, instead of move the Idaho/Oregon border, just switch the Washington/Oregon from along the Columbia, to along the cascades? Have a blue state west of the mountains, and a red state east of the mountains.
I think that would be a much better idea, especially since Idaho is so different from Oregon but Oregon and Washington are so similar
Not without compensation. The reality is that in order for state borders to be changed, the states must be compensated properly for it AFTER the state government votes on it, not the people. IF a vote passes, then before any changes can be made, an agreement needs to be achieved by both parties on where the new border forms and once that happens, the state obtaining the new land must pay the state the land is coming from a very large sum. IF a new state is formed from this instead of Idaho obtaining it, it falls onto each and every citizen to pay forth to the states the land is being taken from AFTER all the previous things I said come to fruition hundreds of billions of dollars, which since there's no current government for that new state, would come from each and every pocket of each and every citizen (which means you'd have to front well over $10k out of pocket if you're wanting this to happen).
As an Idahoan, I've ceased caring about American politics the moment I declared it a goal to leave this country. If we aren't in a civil war, we sure as hell are in a "social civil war". Worst part of my day is walking my dog and down every street are profane political flags and banners (usually uneducated Republicans). Society shouldn't be at it's throat but alas, it is. Capitalist ideology has created a nation of Christian puritanists, and investment over old fashioned commodity. Media filth has even contaminated the anglophone world, to the point English speaking people in Canada, England, and Australia are falling into the grooves carved out by spiteful conservative icons pounding into good people's heads that "God hates g___" and "they are destroying our [oppressive] values". If there is one word to accurately describe the state of our world, it's a shitshow. There is no modesty.
Thanks NOT for throwing almost half of the East Side under John Eastman's Claremont Institute bus! We want the wages, health care, voting rights and other benefits that Idaho has suppressed!
Every urban center inside a red state feels exactly the same way.
New York State has similar issues, where the majority of counties vote one-way, and the population zones override them.
Heaven forbid, the places with more people are not limited to only as much representation as the land on which they stand. That was the entire point of the Connecticut compromise.
you realize it's like this in almost every state, the cities outvote the rural parts, it's just the way it works
That is called democracy… the highest number of votes decides
These are all examples of why we, as a country, are so divided.. Liberals will always buy votes by enhancing and creating social programs to keep govt. dependent voters in their camp. Sadly they also take a foot when ever they are given a foot.
@@user-nw7pm6uj2c And if those regions with lower population density want to secede it should be their right. It's called democracy and they want a representative government, not a life living under tyranny.
If successful, Eastern Washington might follow. That would be cool. It would make for another big, based state.
Another big desperately poor state, yeah
Won’t ever be allowed but as an Oregon resident I support and wish it would.
I am sure many blue cities in the south would like to be their own city states too.
THIS
Having lived in Nashville and New Orleans, a big yes on that.
Then the red countries would have to start paying their own taxes.
They wouldn't like that
I'm from PA and would love if Philadelphia would become its own state (speaking as someone who was born and live there). I'm pretty sure that many in NY who don't live in NYC would like the same thing. Also, Garrett and Allegheny counties in Maryland would like that too. It works both ways.
That’s fine the city states can have there 1 or 2 electoral college votes and then not be able to dictate anything to the rest of the state.
Parts of California have wanted to secede from that state for years.
California people will cross borders from sheer number of people wanting fewer people in Arizona...or southern Oregon.
Won't work.
@@MrShobar Also Texas was pre-approved to divide up into I believe 5 different states when it first became part of the USA.
Perhaps they should try moving the Nevado/Arizona border?
secede
I have visited Idaho a few times on vacation. In 1983 I visited and there were signs that said, welcome to Idaho, but we don’t want you to move here, essentially.
Thanks Mike and everyone associated with this project. I may never reap the benefits but my children and grandchildren will. I grew up when people accepted responsibility for themselves, family and neighbors. Mike, myself others still live that way and will till we die.
I bet the same people in favor of this are the same people that say "America, love it or leave it."
Guarantee it.
Absolutely.
You bet! I'm one of them and I'm from Boston.
Notice that they are going about the proper way for a change versus burning down cities, destroying property, and pillaging communities.
How does this equate at all to wanting to be better representated? They're still in america whether this works or not
When this issue has come up in the past here in Oregon, it was reported that if everything was agreed to, both states, the US congress, etc, then the state receiving the territory would have to compensate the losing state for the land it was giving up. I doubt the state of Idaho could afford that.
Isn't it often said that Eastern Oregon is a _drain_ on the State's resources? I know that is often said of Eastern Washington. That being the case, the Oregon Capital should actually be begging Idaho to take it off their hands.
Possibly the best reason, among many, that it will never happen.
The people of Idaho are poor..
They can not afford that land.
Never going to happen.
They simply don't have the resources, they are a 'welfare state.' Only the Taxes we pay, allow them to afford even just basic infrastructure.
And what if the eastern Oregon decides to create a new state, 51'st state. No compensation to Western Oregon as the new state is not "taken" by another state. But... An unbalanced Federal Senate. No high end industry. Most likely higher taxation on the population to cover welfare, road maintenance and other state related expenses.
@@HugeWolf1 Compensation must be paid no matter...
This move needs to include eastern Wa as well.
No one will agree to re-draw state boundaries because some people don’t want to move to another state.
I wish the video referenced what issues this population is most passionate about and what they feel underrepresented on.
the video would be 30 seconds.
Exactly! State the problem you're having. Let's hear it out loud.
I've lived in Eastern Oregon for about a year and it's a mix of legitimate concerns and rightwing ignorance. Some of it is economical, this region has traditionally relied on industries like farming, mining, and logging to make a living, but all three industries are on the decline and they're struggling (and this is true on a national level, this is not being manufactured by the OR govt and ya'll sound insane pushing that conspiracy). IMO a lot of the problem is that the people out here just flat out refuse to change, and they think that Salem and Portland is just making things difficult on them because they're a bunch of conservative hating hippies or whatever. Most of the people here have never lived anywhere else and are largely ignorant about the outside world (a lot of people out here don't even have TVs, I kid you not, folks out here are a combination of old school and poor). They don't realize that the logging and mining industry is struggling everywhere in the US and so is agriculture. They blame the coastal politicians and claim they just don't understand the region but actually they've pushed the region to its limit resource wise and Salem is right to start restricting them. Eastern and Southern OR is actually very arid, not like the coast, and very rocky and mountainous. The population out here thinks they're going to be able to keep sustaining itself and also grow while relying on traditional industries (they won't, people aren't interested in working as miners or loggers anymore, no one is going to move here for that, especially not with the dismal pay those industries provide) and that if they join up with Idaho, they can make that happen.
The illegitimate concerns are mostly a bunch of ignorant hate, this region is largely conservative and Christian and people think OR is a liberal stronghold but I'm from the South originally and let me tell you, in some ways the people in OR are just as bad if not worse than a lot of the hateful people I encountered growing up in Alabama and Louisiana. The state of OR was originally established to be whites only state, and a lot of the attitudes that those settlers brought with them about how this state should be run (with white Christian interests being king) are still here. It's about way more than just race these days of course, but that's the historical issue. Idaho is WAY more conservative on a legal level, cannabis is still illegal, they passed some of the harshest anti abortion laws in the country, and they've been passing anti LGBT+ laws as well recently. A lot of the people in Eastern Oregon think that's great and want to live somewhere where the laws are forcing people to live more like how they think people should.
@@Kiraiko44
You're TOO SMART & WISE to be living amongst the GQPer Troglodytes in Eastern Oregon.
@@Kiraiko44racism is everywhere, that is what I hear from the right.
We DO have the right to vote for who governs them. Unfortunately, you don't always win. And if you choose to stay in a state that overwhelmingly votes differently than you, you have the choice to stay and try to change things or move and join those who think like you do.
Go back in time and tell that to West Virginia.
Glue huffing again are we..????
You hit the nail on the head. You have a right to stay and make changes. It's a hard and grueling battle to make changes, but what a legacy one leaves. I think changing the border however, is a bit much. Also, the change is backed by real estate. This is not the first time land grabs have happened backed by real estate and that is exactly what it is a land grab.
"I shouldn't have to move to get 100% of the vote outcomes I want. The borders should move for me!"
@@dorpth I think your reply says the reality.
I live in a super blood-red state. You don't want this. We rank 45+ on everything, and politicians just point at each other and accuse them of being RINOs if anyone wants schools, hospitals, or roads.
It's often the case in politics, they want your money, not your complaints.
Or the inverse in this case, they want public support without public oversight.
@@cautiousoptimist1926 You have the right to move, and the right to ask to move state lines, doesn't mean you'll get it. It's understandable to want to distance yourself from lunatics with power.
Most states have splits geographically. I live in Kansas and the government here never votes my way. And for many presidential elections our electoral votes have not gone my way. So I can move if I want, but I don't expect the state to extend the Colorado border because they think a little more like me.
Don’t forget about Kansas City where you have sales tax in Kansas City, Kansas, and no sales tax in Kansas City Missouri.
I'm a Kansas resident who is a staunchly liberal leaning Democratic voter. Yep. Welcome to my world. That's the way Democracy works... Now you have an idea of how average ppl feel when their state legislatures won't ever follow their constituents wishes. We had the ballot measure in Aug to keep abortion rights but our state senators in Washington won't vote to reflect that reality. Answer is vote them out or move. You don't get to cheat the system yet again just because you're conservative.
@@jaydee975There is certainly sales tax in KCMO. It is 9.975%In KCK, it's 9.13%
Reminds me of the joke (observation?) that Missouri is Kansas City in the west, St Louis in the east, and Texas in the middle.
I live in KCMO. Where on earth did you get that idea?@@jaydee975
Eastern Oregon feels that if the Oregon state government listened to them, then Eastern Oregon would dictate the stances on issues. They don't want to abide by popular vote - that is, by democracy. People move to other congressional districts and other states in order to live in a town where people agree with them politically. The man said, "Why can't we vote for people who agree with us?" Well you can. That's what the United States is about. People have lost track of what America is all about.
Wow, imagine that! Right wingers not wanting to abide by the vote. Shocking!
Agreed.
America is a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy
@@lborlet5204 Democracy is an umbrella term for different kinds of self-government. A Constitutional Republic which the United States is, is a form of democracy.
This is very similar to the divide between Western Washington and Eastern Washington
We Americans can only hope this happens. More sane house reps and less poison from Portland eastward
This is just a different type of gerrymandering. If they are allowed to do this then the boundaries of every state would be in flux depending on which way the political winds were blowing.
it isn’t gerrymandering if the movement is from the bottom up not top down. why are we stuck to old maps from hundred of years ago deciding which government our vote applies to? city and rural people live completely different lives they ought to have different governments.
@@karsenhummel9341most rural America is red. All this would do is further divide the country. Every blue state with a red state bordering it would just lead to the same problem
ABSOLUTELY
@@hakim4679 yes this movement would have repercussions that would pretty much dismantle every state border. however that is what this country was originally designed for, small local governments that give people representation based on their values and needs. city people and rural people have different values and needs so why are they stuck in government borders that were designed top down hundreds of years ago. people only become divided when they aren’t being properly represented.
The key issue to address here, in my view, is that these Oregon residents feel ignored by their government. It's wrong for any political side to ignore the other even when they may dominate at the current time. There must be a better way for everyone to be heard than to move the state border.
Having their views heard is one thing. But the tiny minority does not get to *impose* its views on the vast majority. Republicans in Oregon are not being ignored, they're simply losing elections.
That map of the "Greater Idaho" proposal makes the eastern counties look like they're a huge part of Oregon. And by land area, they are. But the 12 counties that have voted in favor of Greater Idaho are only 5% of Oregon's population. And land does not vote, only people vote.
There isn't, the woke cultists could care less! The growing mass majority are fed up!
Hypocrisy much? Oregon having a permanently blue legislature is the same thing as Mississippi being permanently red. We don’t see separatists getting coverage there?
@@RedXlVthat sounds like a problem. Who controls how the land votes? The majority? Who actually owns the land? That 5%? Or the state?
@@ItzAndy25I think there actually are many movements in Mississippi to voice the minority
The 1st two guests do NOT reflect the views of many of us who live in Eastern Oregon who strongly oppose moving to Idaho. Idaho politicians took away women's reproductive choices and are driving out physicians with their harsh laws. Ugh. The vocal minority remain a (punitive) minority. 😢
Amen!
If your leaders in Salem haven’t disregarded or ignored the problems people in Oregon’s rural areas face, you wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.
Then put it to a vote.
In order for this to happen, Salem would have to agree and so would the national government in DC. Those in charge of Greater Idaho, have never articulated exactly what Salem is ignoring, so it's not going to happen.
@@michaelmonthey5974
Exactly. The passing of Measure 110 only made drug abuse (incidents/crimes) worse. And Portland is a blueprint for a societal self-immolation.
Interesting that the "If you don't like it, then leave!" crowd very quickly changes their tune when the shoe is on the other foot.
I am from Oregon and I wish I still lived there still that way I could vote on this…
Would be helpful to mention that several of those counties have under 5000 residents. In one county, the measure passed by 5 votes. So it's not exactly a landslide. Then they want to hook up with Idaho, where they can treat more liberal- leaning voters just as badly as they believe they're treated in OR.
@@gooser__43that’s a good example.
*County Population*
Wheeler County 1,445
Sherman County 1,955
Gilliam County 2,018
Grant County 7,218
Harney County 7,515
Wallowa County 7,659
Lake County 8,385
Morrow County 12,300
Baker County 16,938
Curry County 23,598
Hood River County 24,048
Jefferson County 25,330
Union County 26,177
Crook County 26,375
Wasco County 26,561
Tillamook County 27,574
Malheur County 31,879
Clatsop County 41,695
Lincoln County 50,813
Columbia County 53,588
Coos County 64,990
Klamath County 70,212
Umatilla County 80,215
Josephine County 87,730
Polk County 89,614
Benton County 97,630
Yamhill County 108,226
Douglas County 112,297
Linn County 130,467
Deschutes County 206,549
Jackson County 221,644
Marion County 346,703
Lane County 382,353
Clackamas County 423,177
Washington County 600,176
Multnomah County 795,083
When my Portland area 1980's-90's career in carpentry ended due to back problems, I transitioned from energy conservation in homes to transportation as an advocate for public transit with the MAX light rail and better buses. I did not expect politics to be as corrupt as it has become since Ted Wheeler weaseled his way into office pretending to love Portland. His loyalty is strictly limited to members of the PBA (Portland Business Alliance), regional chambers of commerce and Portland Prosper-ity (for the already prosperous) Development Commission.
I celebrated voter rejection of the SW Corridor MAX extension to Tigard via state Hwy 99W (ODOT domain) in Nov 2020 as the WORST engineered proposal I've ever seen, deceitfully presented to the public as a worthy investment. It met NONE of the basic metrics that determine merit and support, not even close. Portland's Metro Council President Lynn Peterson was a major supporter though she has a highway department background with a dismal record overseeing the Columbia River I-5 Bridge replacement fiasco. Portland transit agency Tri-Met director is appointed by a Salem commission no doubt influenced by corrupt ODOT.
Oregon west of the Cascades is controlled by powerful business interests who don't care about Oregon except what's in it for them! A federal investigation of ODOT, WsDOT, PBOT, Metro & Tri-Met regarding these major infrastructure public works projects (plus the Rose Quarter I-5 "widening" Death Trap) is warranted. Portlanders should've recalled Mister Wheeler and removed him from office when we had the chance.
@@olefella7561 I suppose there's the little problem of where will the people go? Many of them were brought to the Americas against their will, too. Not all are Europeans or colonizers. I appreciate the wrongs which were done to native peoples, but unfortunately there's no great place for hundreds of millions of people to go.
@@gooser__43 That really has no correlation
Wait a minute. You want to move a state line because you feel you're not being represented 😂😂😂😂
Now they know how others who aren't being represented feel.
Yay!! You finally get it. At least they do in that area
But seriously, moving a state border? 😂😂😂😂
Even in this process they still don't see it 🤦🏼♀️ this level of entitlement has no limits
No kidding. I immediately thought, yeah, this is how every liberal feels in South Carolina, and every other supermajority Red state -- out-populated. What else is new.
Conservatives are always *so close* to getting it. They're like an eldest sibling, that suddenly isn't an only child anymore. The kind that don't learn the value of sharing, but earn a sense of injustice about suddenly having to share.
It worked for West Virginia.
Why not? West Virginia broke away from Virginia. And now some residents of western Virginia want to join West Virginia, believing that Virginia's politics is dominated by the suburbs of Washington, D.C.
Werent those the same people that always said "if you dont like it. Then get out?"
Thank you CBS for this fair and balanced journalistic piece. I'm a Conservative and I salute you for not showing the Liberal side of the argument for Oregon-Idaho issue. Like many other conservatives in the comments, I would call this balanced journalism.
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Not show that we want to maintain our wages, hospitals and education resources?
I am shocked at how unbiased that media piece was.
Yeah, it really challenged the proponents to explain how this would affect Idaho, and it sure did get all the details about what decisions the Oregon Legislature had made that were so awful.
@@TheRealScooterGuy Agreed. It was fair and balanced because they didn't say ANYTHING!
This is mainstream media btw. Not sure how often that term gets tossed around in your circles but this is primetime television funded by corporations and the state.
@@leoelliondeux oh, I one hundred percent get that that’s why I was so shocked at the “fairness“ of this piece. They usually only push the left-wing narrative.
@@robwhite2282 lies.
“They don’t listen to us”… man, that cuts both ways. Nobody wants to meet in the middle, they want to yank everything to one side or the other.
Yeah but MOST of the Constitutional infringements (1A & 2A) and violence are coming from blue-run cities and states.
TBF for some things, a compromise is worse than the options in isolation. Sometimes systems need to be implemented whole-sale or not at all. Otherwise they are doomed to fail.
Urban and rural areas need to recognize that they each need the other. Urban areas are the economic engine that moves the country forward and pays for everything, but you can't eat money. People in urban areas need people in rural areas to grow their food. Each group needs to recognize that it would perish without the other. Political power in this country should be decentralized to the maximum extent possible so that local politicians have more power of the day to day life of their constituents than state or federal level politicians. People in red areas should be able to live how they want to live in their communities without people in blue areas interfering with them, and people in blue areas should be able to do what they want to do in their communities without people from red areas trying to stop them. Live and let live.
There is no middle. Liberals refuse to listen to our grievances. They call us Nazis and slander us.
@@franciscolopez7101 In this particular circumstance though (West OR vs. East OR), the west and urban side does not at all need the eastern side. The Willamette valley from Medford to Portland and from the mountains to the coasts provides far more arable land and agriculture. The problem is massively stilted in West OR's favor for this reason and other geopolitical advantages (access to the coast, major developed population centers, lucrative industry, etc.). The only thing Eastern OR offers is better access to mining and logging of which are both highly regulated industries that aren't core to OR's current economic plans.
The elected official on Oregon not going to allow it and it would require i assume permission from the federal congress that also seem unlikely because its like a state succeeding at the same time
As an Idahoan, I really hope this doesn't happen. 😬
There is a huge rural-urban divide in virtually all the states. Almost all large cities are run by Democrats and the rural areas by Republicans. More local control is the answer. If the people in the large cities wouldn't try to impose their values on the people in rural areas, it would be better for everyone.
Republicans have been undermining local control whenever they have the state house. Ohio (which has a home rule provision, but the R Court says the legislature can ignore it whever they want - do you think they'll rule the same way if the Ds were writing the laws?), Texas and Wisconsin are only the most egregious examples.
Not all the states we few extremely rural states are pretty much red all the way through. Couple college towns might be a little dem. But they won't win any votes running on the woke card out here.
@@kenlieberman4215so your upset some democrats are in the same boat as the majority of Republicans. We'll in the words of your own people, "that's how the government works, get used to it".
"Progressives" fight against any kind of local control. All control and power must be in their hands.
It’s interesting that they misunderstand the very mechanics of the system they proclaim they know better than their blue brethren. I didn’t like certain things in a state that I had to leave because of job interests. What did I do? I voted and talked with people. Did I say that I don’t have a voice? No, that’s weak tea.
Playing the victim card is one of the favorite pastimes.
deplorables are zero sum sheep. it will be the end of them.
Exactly.
Remember that these folks don't generally have a very firm grip on reality. If you polled the pro-Idaho counties, you'd probably find two-thirds of residents in the "Trump won" category.
someone said how liberals would be treated. Kinda like how you are now treating republicans (and like minded liberals). @@whatever3773
This idea will almost certainly fail. This would 100% set a precedent for further division between the political parties, when what we should be doing is coming closer together and cooperating. I don't wish to live in a country that is too stubborn to stick together.
Holy crap?!?! That dude is still alive?!?!!
Instead of moving a border, here's a radical idea: move.
Amen !!!!
Nah that would be too easy. They want the people of Idaho to give Oregon tens of billions for the infrastructure and debts owed. Wait til these people find out about what people in DC deal with.
I disagree. The people should be able to secure for themselves a representative government, anywhere. If their state doesn't allow them representation, they ought to be able to form a new state, or to merge with an existing one.
@@jakegrist8487 so you are cool with DC and Puerto Rico becoming states?
They want their cake and eat it too
If these people, who want to change the boundaries, don't like the system of voting in Oregon and the rest of the USA, because their elected officials are not of the same party, they can move to another state/country. To think they can just change state lines to suit their political desires is not only ludicrous, it is UNAMERICAN! But, that seems to be the Republican thought process these days.
If they think that they're not being properly represented in the state legislature then how do they think that any legislation that supports this is ever going to make it though that same Legislature? These people aren't too bright.
Yeah, and if Democrats don't like the fact that their state has banned abortion they can move too.
@kayezbiciak544 👍
Let’s say they succeeded they are part of Idaho. Idaho elects a government they don’t agree with , do they try and go back or find another state to identify with.
Try googling the history of state border changes. Do you know how many times this has happened? Obviously not. You must ignorantly think the borders have never changed since inception.
Portland oregon has fallen apart it's a shame what happened to that city. I decided to move my whole family to texas best thing I ever did
I hope these people are successful
This was happening in northern Colorado as well. Several counties looking to join Wyoming, can’t blame them. I appreciate this reporting, a balanced and accurate analysis.
Colorado is wonderful and great state. Once you get outside of Denver politics
@@michaelclark2458 amen to that. I’m Wyoming raised, but have lived in Lone Tree for several years.
Democrats are not clamoring for separation from super majority Republican states. Either get rid of gerrymandering for all states so power can be distributed equability or just deal with it.
if only those people were educated.
@@kangkim150 just the minority sad because they are irrelevant under the system
also, no gerrymandering. these people are the MINORITY. they can move.
In my opinion, this is just another form of gerrymandering regarding only the political end. That being said, there are just soooo many issues that are different in cities vs rural areas for sure, and there are definitely more IMPORTANT issues to address than this.
I don't see the issues as being different. The issues are the same. What's different is in one area you've got a bunch of intolerant, racist, bigoted rubes and in the other you've got people who aren't that way, who happen to outnumber the rubes. In a democracy the rubes are out voted. They want to be part of the majority they can move to Idaho.
@gooser__43 Derek Chauvin, a racist cop. Now he's doing hard time in the joint, as he should.
A lot of people in rural areas are dying of fentanyl, except they probably don't have a police officer kneeling on their neck as they are dying.@@gooser__43
No, your cities and states are terrible. Its time to separate
Yes
Great report. Thank you so much for doing this segment. I’m curious, how many people live in the area of Oregon that organizers would have join Idaho?
I am in Eastern WA. (If the wind is right, I can spit into Idaho... Not that I would ever do that.....) This area so red, I am surprised this isn't going on here.
I kept hoping the interviewer would ask the guy, "How do you plan to treat the liberals here better than you think you're being treated if you move the border?"
These are the kind of people who would change the rules in the middle of a football game because they were losing.
These people don't want representative government; they want to rule.
like NW Oregon boasts about 'ruling' over rural Oregon?
Yeah.....those horrible Conservatives and Libertarians threatening to...leave people alone. OH the HORROR!
@@ClaireOSullivanAuthorexample, please?
The interviewer seemed to be going along with the il-logic there for a second; buying into the need of 200-300 year old divisions. I'm not too sure he was awake for the interview.
@@mileshall9235 Conservatives want to control what goes on inside people's pants and you think their principle is "leave people alone"? I'm not sure what era you're in but today, the conservative's guiding principle is "strip rights from everyone I don't agree with".
A 5:51 he says "Why can't people still have the right to vote for who governs them?" He does have the right, he has the right every November of every evenly numbered year. It's just that more people prefer someone else so he gets voted out. If he does not like it, then he can use his feet and walk over the border to a different state. That right has always existed.
The Oregon House of Representatives was controlled by the Oregon Republican Party 1991-2006, 1965-1972, 1939-1956, 1883-1934, 1873-1874, and 1863-1868. In the 76th Oregon Legislative Assembly in 2011-2012, the Oregon House of Representatives was evenly split.
Yes, but he is stomping his feet and holding his breath.
It would be far easier to just move from Oregon to Idaho than the process of moving a state border.
There is not enough housing in Idaho. Prices are already through the roof from Californians, Texans and Western washington citizens moving over here
@@jarrodb2198 Sounds like Idaho won't be Red much longer. lol
@@lavalampluva55401 the people moving here are conservative. Getting away from the democratic politics
Come on over! We here in Idaho would be happy to have you.
I often see stories like this...but there is virtually no chance of any of these kinds of things happening as you'd need the consent of BOTH Congress and all the state legislatures involved. The lower 48 United States has been that way (in terms of state boundaries) since 1912 and you'd need FAR more than just partisan political reasons for any kind of change like that to occur...anywhere.
We live in modern dystopian America. Laws and rules don’t matter anymore. Dems keep proving that. We’ll see what happens.
We'll see...
@@janettemasiello5560 See what exactl? He's right
Correct, yet since 1934, they've been trying...
West Virginia had a mighty big lever in the form of a Civil War but since the USA never recognized the CSA legally W. Virginia simply left the state of Virginia. (Seceded from the state as it were) And that was driven by partisan politics.
Many of the counties in eastern OR have R state representatives that simply don't show up to work.
They stayed out to try and prevent quorum. They felt that this was the best way to protect the views and wishes of the people who elected them. This is the only way to have a voice when the Democrat majority refuses to listen or compromise on their extreme leftist policies and agendas. It is a valid and legitimate political strategy that the Democrats themselves used in the past when the Republicans were in the majority and the Democrats didn't want to be railroaded. Educate yourself on this subject. As Rod Stewart once sang, "But there ain't no point in talking when there's nobody listening."
@@1eyedjacksRwild They failed us, so we voted that they have to show up for work. And it passed, overwhelmingly by citizens of both parties. Both parties have to talk to each other and get things done. The stonewalling harms us, the regular People, who they claim to serve.
- Lifelong Oregonian
Lies
Lots of us in rural Western Oregon would like to "move east" too.
I think better movement would be striving for electoral reform by moving away from our single-member district and adopting any form of proportional representation that elects candidate from multi-member district based on the idea that number of votes a party receives in an election determines how many seats they receive in the legislature. This will make our governments more representative and break the stranglehold of our two party system by allowing smaller parties to win seats in the legislature with just 5% of the vote. Also, a parliamentary system that is used in Canada, in the UK, in New Zealand and in other modern democracies such as Germany & Scandanavia would be good institutional change to give those people in the minority a stronger voice in their government while also allowing the majority to govern and pass laws.
Yeah! Why does the majority party get to draw district borders? Isn’t that begging for gerrymandering? And why should the majority, with only 52% of the population get 100% of the representation? We need to do a complete overhaul of our government.
Literally doesn’t work in Canada or uk. Works in Scandinavia bc it’s a homogenous culture with very little differing views
I vote for territorially alloted votes that can over-rule majority vote. AKA, a return to true state senates that aren't impacted by population density.
I live in Idaho. One thing that's actually really a bigger deal than you think it is, is marijuana on the Oregon border. Ontario, Oregon is littered with dispensaries and every one of them is packed with Idaho plates. (Weed isn't legal in Idaho recreationally or medically). That city wouldn't be much if it wasn't for it's dispo's and Boise being so close.
Soooo, your argument is that weed is for liberals but then you say conservatives consume it. What is your argument??
@@Poodle_Gun His argument is that this tiny little town on the edge of the Oregon border would have its economy collapse if it became part of Idaho.
Yep. Ontario's dispensaries make 100+mil annually. Weed has a sales tax in Oregon, unlike other goods in the state. It's crazy high too I believe. 18% or something around there.
@@ehbird858 And how did they survive/exist before drug sales were their primary money maker?
@@deuswulf6193yeah, let's have them go back to when it was worse, because ... ?
Be careful for what you wish for. If Oregon is like most states, most tax is collected from the more urban counties, but the more rural counties receive a significantly disproportionate share of those tax dollars. Infrastructure per capita is just more costly in rural areas.
It's true in Oregon too. The major metropolitan areas subsidize rural areas. Everything from building bridges to battling wildfires are paid for primarily by Western Oregon.
That is correct but the bureaucracy and loss of control is probably not worth those dollars. Also, shifting to a different state, would mean moving those mechanisms and dollars to and from that other political entity.
All those bums and addicts in Portland are gonna bounce cause they gonna lose a lot of free money.
Or it’ll just become a chaotic metropolis like escape from L.A.
Wouldn't most infrastructure and spending in general go to the more developed western parts of oregon? These people are looking at Idaho and saying, let's be like that!
Not anywhere close per capita. Leftist cities are a financial black hole.
I'm from Idaho, welcome aboard Eastern Oregon, we'll take you!
Washington state has the same problem. Its very much like the west side of the state either ignores our existance or capitalizes on our resources and we have no say. They impose heavy taxes on farmers which effects primarily the eastern side who has no say. I once took a home care aid class about emergency preparedness and they only mentioned emergencies that the western states have and ignored those pertaining to the eastern portion.
Glad this is still being talked about Portland feels like a different world from these peoples
Trust me I know.. We're tried of being given the middle finger we don't even have the same life style or values, yet they control everything.
@@Killswitch1411 good luck to you I hope everyone in that whole area of the country can come to some agreement. Leftist activists won’t give up that easy.
Lol. That's how it it is. You guys just don't like democracy.
Just move.
you lived on your homestead your whole life and love your land and connected loving community then big cities are voting for polices which hurt your way of life moving works if you have no ties to the land in which you live and are just living life for money which sadly is our nations entire thinking@@stevenhenry5267
This has precisely _zero_ chance of happening.
If they expanded Idaho what’s to then keep Washington DC from becoming its own state or getting Porto Rico from becoming a state instead of a territory.
I could not agree more. Those people in eastern Oregon have taken leave of their senses.
Totally agree…. That man lived 4 generations in Oregon …. That’s nothing… indigenous people have lived there 1000 years …they r still new colonizers in my mind ….there were so many sundown towns in Oregon n Idaho …. Another racist idea … making themselves out to b victims when white folk have been taking land forever
@@manilajohn0182 as opposed to how Portland is run by its leaders and their senses?
That's what they said about the war of independence. We whipped the british and their democrat allies.
I support the idea of breaking states up into smaller sections. It would allow each county to govern themselves more correctly based on their Publics lifestyle and ideas
Or maybe actually we should just move more government power down to the local county governments
How would hunting work? I would have to buy an out of state tag for my regular current Oregon hunting spots which would become Idaho?
I moved to La Pine a year ago and I'm not interested in being part of Idaho. If I wanted to live in Idaho, I'd have moved to Idaho.
That's the thing. If they really are unhappy with where they live, they can move to where they feel the government represents them more. They would argue that they have land. Well sell the land, and buy land in Idaho. God knows there is enough of it.
Being from Michigan I can say this happened in our history when Ohio annexed the Toledo strip from Michigan..... State borders exist for very specific local reasons and are not eternal by any means
The U.P. wants to succeed to Wisconsin? Oh wait! WI is turning blue...
I'm guessing most of Ohio would make you a great deal if you want to buy Toledo back.
@@StickyBit7777 lol
That’s not how it happened, but okay.
@@StickyBit7777 There's a lot of trafficking I hear going on in Toledo, so Michigan could pick up a lot of business!
It is not like a state can not secede, West Virginia broke away from Virginia, it is also considered contsitutional.
Same issue with WA. Eastern Washington is ignored. Typically only 4 or 5 counties west of the cascades controls the state.
Politicians fear this because they have been drawing the voting maps (as part of their "powers"). A government of the people, for the people, by the people, should be determined by the people themselves, not the politicians. I applaud this movement.
Lol politicians. A government of the people listens to the voice of the people. The electoral college inherently ignores the voice of the people because modern republican politicians know that it is in their best interest and won't allow it to disappear, despite it making no sense.
If Oregon let the eastern half of the state go, eastern Washington would leave, western Maryland would leave, northern New York would file for independence, the list goes on and on. You would essentially cause all majority democratic states to lose their voice in presidential elections, which is absolutely insane and unfair to request.
The solution is simple. Get rid of the electoral college. Then, states like Oregon could consider trading parts of their state to other states.
I agree, so each person should be their own state, and directly vote on national issues, and we can get rid of city, county and state governments.
Nah. Just bribe them with morality 😇 and plunder them with impunity.
It is the best strategy in a democracy. Mostly because people don't vote in their own interest, but in their morality's best interest. Except when their morality is neutral on the topic.
@@Dave_the_Dave if the commies get their way, they agree with you too. Then make sure they get into the federal power and that’s it, endgame.
Politicians don't fear this because it has zero chance of happening. It's nothing more than a fantasy.
Because of the electoral college voting system.
One person, one vote is the fairest way to ensure representation.
Exactly, we don’t need additional ‘representatives’ none of whom we know or elect casting votes on our behalf. It’s a racist, sexist and classist past that needs to be put to bed.
As a non American I hope they are successful. Idaho looks like a state of freedom where as Oregon looks like a state of oppression.
AS soon as we get Oregon then we will have all their problems and lose our freedom. Why do outsiders want to destroy Idaho?????
WA is in the same situation. Only 3 counties decide what conditions and laws all the rest of the counties have to live with. Its been that way for 20+ years and the ruling class in these parts of our state could care less about what we think or what happens to us.
Look on the bright side, when the revolution comes you guys can easily surround those 3 counties and cut them off. How long could they survive? Those big cities depend on all their necessities coming in from outside source. Food, water, electricity, and fuel all comes into these cities from outside sources. Cut them off, and they couldn't last a week.
All I could think of while watching this was all the treaties with Indigenous tribes that still haven't been honored. There can't be any righteousness or any remedy on this land until the original wounds are healed.
@@bamgold4677 Thanks for the intelligent part, but my avatar is a doll.
The Indians lost, move on and live in 2023.
@@EddieHenderson92 That is because the Indians had lax immigration laws.
@@AndyMcFarland-lu9ft Not special rights. Just plain rights. The right to have the treaties made with the United States honored. The right to clean water, for god's sake. Water sources that by treaty some Indigenous nations have a right to access to have been stolen for regions that were never meant to support the population that's there, not to mention their stupid golf courses in the desert. I'm sure if most nations hadn't been banished to non-arable, remote locations, and were allocated the lands they were actually promised by *other* treaties, they'd be fine with strongly-defended borders. It's likely the U.S. would find excues to invade them, however.
The guy saying “We’re not going to run away and move to Idaho” doesn’t really understand what he’s saying does he? These people are insane.
They are insane or Portland is insane?
Regardless...more votes in Portland @@1ronin907
@@1ronin907 Read his statement again. He doesn’t want to move to Idaho, but wants Idaho to come to him. 😂 Ridiculous. And insane. MAGAs, ultra-conservatives, Qanons are always whining about “freedom” but only the freedom they like. Everyone else’s freedoms, choices, beliefs are worthless (or against whatever religion they’ve twisted) in their narrow view.
@@1ronin907 Both are crazy; normal people actually recognize that and don't make lame divisions like you are just cuz one group votes differently. Annoying divisionist.
Can you blame eastern Oregon? They want to distance themselves from their crazy cousins who live on the west side of the tracks. @@1ronin907
For the pole at the end of the video, I am strongly opposed to dividing the nation... but not so much opposed to a good old fashioned fight between the red and blue and help get us more united. I'd wear a red patch.
These are the same type of people that always said "if you don't like it then move"
😂😂😂 now follow your own advices
I live in eastern OR. I’ve lived here almost 17 years. I find this movement to be a joke. Why would Idaho want to take on all these impoverished counties? Also, these secessionists seem to forget that one person = one vote. It doesn’t matter where they live in the state.
The population of the eastern Oregon counties is like 5% of the state population, yet the Oregon legislature is split 35/25 Dem/GOP. That means that 5% of the state gets 41% of the votes in the legislature! And they're complaining that they're underrepresented??
Where did you come from?? LOL>.. Let me guess?
@@ricksmith4736 - Please do guess.
@@ricksmith4736 - Still waiting for your guess…
Why not just move to Idaho if you don't like what the people vote for in your state?
Yeah! And if you don't like that your red state has banned abortion, you can move out of that state too!
Bingo! Best comment of the bunch. The answer is that they just want to whine.
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They don’t want to give up their generational wealth (property).
@@TheTrueOnyxRose Exactly! The irony.
@@TheTrueOnyxRose They can simply sell their property in Oregon and buy across the border in idaho. Millions have bought and sold so it's not that difficult. I hope they quit the constant whining.
Laws etc need to to be implemented at a local level. Many states are governed on the needs of a couple high population cities while neglecting the needs of the rural populations.
So our minimum wage being cut in half in Eastern Oregon is "good for cities?" Bah.
I’m a moderately progressive person who has lived in Portland for almost 2 decades. I think this is definitely a conversation worth having, but I do think it gets a little ridiculous when you see that map getting redrawn to such an extent.
I used to live in Asheville NC so I know what it’s like to feel like your state government doesn’t represent you.
That being said, it’s a fact that dense urban areas tend to be liberal and more sparsely population rural areas tend to be conservative. I don’t think merely cutting up the country by those metrics is at all fair and democratic. Hell, I don’t think the city of Bend would love to be annexed by Idaho against their will.
I think the conversation needs to be more about State vs local jurisdiction for certain kinds of laws. It’s definitely unrealistic for rules and laws written for an urban population to be applied to rural areas and vice-versa. I’m not a huge fan of a lot of the Oregon laws myself but I don’t get to claim I’m part of Washington.
@@AmericanScout-USA True, though take into account how moving residences is not an option for some living in a state like that
I agree. I think that's the heart of the matter as the cities are negatively affected by laws that largely benefit or at least don't hurt rural folk. Gun laws are a prime example. So cities use their majority to try to address a problem and it negatively hits rural areas where it just impedes people from what they are used to or starts costing them more money when they on average make less.
More power at the state level than the federal level. More power at the county level than the state level. More power at the city level than the county level. More power at the individual level.
Government isn't supposed to tell us what to do we're supposed to tell the government what we want. That's the true division
@@CalvinHikes Big business and rich people aren't supposed to tell our government what to do. But they do. And what they demand is to take out loans in our names for their tax cuts, and for us to bail them out.
Basically we aren't ever getting representation until we get big money out of politics.
@@AmericanScout-USA And do what? Abandon their farms because progressive liberal policies ruin the middle class and society as a whole?
Same as Illinois, Cook County decides the fate of the state.
Because Chicagoland is a significant majority of the states population. Should southern Florida split from the rest of the state because it leans blue while the rest leans red? Of course not. The problem is that Reds and Blues fight over culture issues that are all or nothing, while ignoring improving the standard of living despite governments ideally not having any say in enforcing culture wars one way or another!
As it should
People vote. Not acres.
@@jakethekaratedude200culture wars are necessary. Culture defines who we are. Without a common culture or identity you can’t have a country. Also Florida should be split in half.
good luck, we've wanted this for years in NY with NYC.
They're not going to do it, An here's why, because Oregon has legalized cannabis, Idaho will never legalize cannabis, that's why Oregon will never be part of Idaho, us in Idaho do not want legalized cannabis in our state at all.
Every blue city in every red state feels the same way. But Oregon just so happens to have a neater geographic divide that more closely matches the political one.
These counties do not like being part of the state... are there cities or regions of those counties that do?. If a conty leaves the state, can the city leave the county to stay in the state?... and if a neighborhood in the city wants to stick with the county?
These counties have tiny populations, and the votes were pretty close in some areas; the movement is not as overwhelming as the leaders claim. Would love to know who's funding them, too. This is a pretty lame report.
@@eh3477 Top 15 most populated Eastern Oregon cities
*Rank City Population (2020) County*
1 Hermiston 19,354 Umatilla
2 Pendleton 17,107 Umatilla
3 La Grande 13,026 Union
4 Ontario 11,645 Malheur
5 Baker City 10,099 Baker
6 Umatilla 7,363 Umatilla
7 Milton-Freewater 7,151 Umatilla
8 Boardman 3,828 Morrow
9 Nyssa 3,198 Malheur
10 Burns 2,730 Harney
11 Union 2,152 Union
12 Stanfield 2,144 Umatilla
13 Enterprise 2,052 Wallowa
14 Irrigon 2,011 Morrow
15 Vale 1,894 Malheur
Problem with conservatives is they're so dense they look at a map of rural counties and think that a large swath of sparsely populated land is equal to a small densely populated urban area. These people think they should be allowed to secede and take more than half the land in the state, despite being less than half of the total population.
Central Oregon is not as neatly divided.
Get a proportional representation system. If a party has enough votes for a seat in the state congress, but haven't won a district, their candidate with the most votes should get a "bonus" seat. Add several more seats, specifically for such bonus candidates. This would allow smaller parties to be represented.