This is the right(Republicans) and center-right(democrats) fault. Democrats only want basically little better for people and republicans do not care about people and want to have power over people without any reason at times.
It kinds does, but only because it has been so inexorably tied into the bipartisan circus act that American politics has become. It has become some stereotype that if you support renewable energy, then you support the "LGBT agenda whatever" even if you have no opinion on it. It means that if you support LGBT but opposite gun control, you're a fence sitter and subject to ridicule for wanting compromise. It's ridiculous how polarizing both sides have become.
Everybody in Oregon is represented equally at the Capitol with their own state congressional and senatorial representatives elected by their districts.
that simplifies it, here it seems to go much deeper from politics, but their sociocultural identity and economy that is much closer to Idaho. It really is two worlds apart.
Indeed it looks like that in every country. Here in Italy is the same. With the difference that while in America you have to deal with just liberals and conservative, in Italy we have a range more wide of ideologies. We have commies, socialists and anarchic in the cities togheter with the vast majority of the people that is between what you call "liberals" and "conservative", we call them democrats or republicans. While in the rural areas we have again anarchics and even fascist people (while not real fascists because they themselves don't know what "Fascism" is, they just pretend to be like that). And are usually more traditional and religious. Against abortion, against foreign religions, pro-traditional family, no LGBT and stuff like that. That's the citizen basin that votes our right wing. Left wing, while being pro to much of these things, they usually ends up being less effective due to internal debate. And we accuse them openly to fail too much. Mostly because the historical left in Italy, namely and specifically the commies, have brought Italy from being a country destroyed by the ww2 to the 7th and later 8th economic power of the planet. And still today the "anti-fascist" constitution we have is an heritage of that past. It grants a shitton of rights, some even Americans don't have. But at the same time it makes burocracy and sustainability of the system a bit of a burden for our economy. Not like the EU and the ECB are not trying to dismantle everything we have, of course not. But we care about our rights. And we won't give them up to Europe. And that's why many voted the right wing... as absurd as it may look, but it happen also in America, popular political crusades are actually carried out by those who usually not share any bounds with the people, with the plebeans. The proletariat. The right wing historically belongs to aristocracy in all it's forms: monarchies, church, bourgesie, industrialists and corporativists... You know, the white collars in America. So that's shocking but at the same time is also understandable since the right usually fights against the needs to change. The correct path would be that of introducing changings slowly, in order to people to understand and accept it. But lately such changing was too fast and people of course fear it and struggle to adapt, especially if the State and current government don't do anything to help that. So it's just 50% win and 50% loss. It's a win because Italy resist to the imposition of changing in what we think it's something bad, it's a loss because the right is doing exactly that: Cutting voices on the budget. Healthcare was cut, edication was cut, pensions was cut. And people soon or later will be furious when they will discover on their skin that those they have voted for to do a job have also done exactly the opposite while pretending to care. Reason why the Meloni government will not last forever. But of course, there will be in any case the elections. So... And I think it's kinda similar to what is happening to America too. People wants politicians to respect their traditions and take care of some of these things, they vote for the only ones that promise these things, but they end up having less than before. In Italy such moment usually anticipate a brilliant victory of the Left. In America... well you guys are about to elect Trump no matter what so you're about to start this cycle. Not ending it. Electing Biden again would be unrealistic. The only other option that have some chance to get the victory is Kennedy. To me, he looks like a good guy. We Italians could give him the seat of President of the Minister's Council. The same Constitution says that you don't have to be Italian to be elected President... 😅 #KennedyForItaly! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BlackDoveNYC that this movement is deeper than just "I don't like them democrats" like some people simplify it, it really does make more sense for everyone for eastern Oregon to join Idaho, they match better on tons of things.
Just to let all non-Americans know, this seperation will never happen. The State of Jefferson movement in CA has gone nowhere. Under Article 4 Section 3 of our constitution, state borders can only change when each of the state legislatures involved agree on it, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.
And voting for trump. And trying to stage the armed coup when he lost the last election. The rest of the world watches in horror with baited breath. No-one really cares whether Oregon moves it's borders, it's the people who want to that are the worry.
@@willieclark2256 That's literally never gonna happen. They can move to Idaho or deal with the political persecution of living in a state where trans people can get healthcare or something idk
@@edwardcumpstey9061 duh, I'm aware of that. I'm just pointing out that these are the kinds of people who will tell others to move out of America if they have any sort of criticism with how things are run here
@@edwardcumpstey9061 The main agitator literally moved from Portland to this small town, then found it was still not conservative enough so he wanted it to become part of Idaho. He could just as well move another few towns over into Idaho himself.
pip squeeks keep saying that but it doesn't change reality. The United States of America is a Representative Democracy. Your problem is that you hate Democracy which means that you hate America
@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl When I hear these clowns, one after the other saying that the United States isn't a democracy I'm compelled to correct them. I completely understand that it is a Republic within which is a Representative Democracy. Our elections are Democratic elections.
@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl Party names mean everything to the truly demented. As for evidence of that fact, look at how many clowns keep posting the same asinine anti democratic message over and over again on this thread.
Listening to Oregon liberals talk about “they just need to work within the government we have“ seems to totally ignore the fact that electorally it’s impossible for these people to win on a state level due to the population disparity between the big cities and areas. In addition to that the state government on the east side of the divide has absolutely zero interest in listening to people on the west side, if not openly despise them.
@@JaneCounts I wish I could just eject them from the USA. They hate democracy because they want an authoritarian dictator namely Trump. All of this nonsense is about Trump. It's all about the clown cult
As some one who lived in oregon, i loved the lax drug laws and the old gun laws. Its was good mix of red and blue laws until all my fellow freedom loving republicans left. I just want a government that lets people live how they want as long you do not hurt no one psychically or financially there should be no crime.
The notion that Republicans are freedom loving is a myth. It is something said, but not internalized. Freedom to them means the opposite for others. Like the freedom to impose religion.
Sure, if conservatives from rural America want to separate to another state then liberals in urban population centers that happen to be in red states should be able to separate too. Because of how the electoral college works, presidential elections would be a guaranteed lock for liberals. Be careful of what you wish for
Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .
@@AmazingDuckmeister Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .
Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .
@@AmazingDuckmeister Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .
If half the state wants to leave then let them leave? Why are Libs so adamant about them staying. Why have half the state of people stay in a state that they no longer want to be a part of? If Libs in a red state wanted to join another state then let them. Let them govern themselves the way they want to be governed. Why force each side to abide by a lifestyle that they dont want, believe, or agree too? Sounds Fascist to me.
There's no reason to think that 50 is the "perfect" number of states. I'd love to see rural parts of many states separate and form their own states--maybe get America up to 70 or 80 states in total, with all of these new Rural states each getting two new Senators.
@@AniwayasSong Obviously you're completely unaware that western Oregon pays for the welfare of eastern Oregon. Eastern Oregonian pays less in taxes than it receives from the Oregon state government. The citizens of western Oregon pay MORE in taxes than western Oregon receives from the Oregon state government which means that the generous hard working citizens west of the cascades very generously support the ungrateful whiners in eastern Oregon and have done so for more than a hundred years.
They just want to be inside a state that agrees with them, why does western oregon insist in having eastern oregon under its control anyway? Nothing would change for western oregonians at all, you guys just want *control*
@@igorlopes7589 Are you aware that western Oregon subsidizes eastern Oregon so that pot bellied fat assed old men can do things like play dress-up and shoot cap pistols?
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@Steve-cg8ek yes...people have lost or forgotten the behavioral trait of respect and being civil. Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe even if you disagree with them and you also do not have to accept others beliefs or values.
The great American nation was built on compromise, with all you flavourful people it was once your strength, now you have lost that and in my humble opinion will be your downfall, all great empires collapse form within
This is extremely accurate reporting. As someone that lives in Oregon, it's spot on, the unfortunate part is the conservative portion of the state feels this way mostly because they like to hone in on hot button issues and what they feel is a specific culture. They don't want to see gays, they don't want to see people with multicolor hair. They don't like electric cars, they just don't want that stuff around. So even if you came to some kind of agreed conclusion on things like firearm rights, taxation, things like that, there is still such an utter dislike for left-leaning culture, they are constantly going to feel that there is a war to be fought. America has very little news, what we have are marketing networks. If someone tunes into left or right leaning propaganda networks they are told on a daily basis that the other side is the reason for their suffering and the entire problem in this country. That division, I believe, is done to control the vote and keep people radicalized and reliable
The left has some great stuff they can be proud of, mostly civil rights. Where I think they struggle is owning their failures. Defund the police was dumb. Big, liberal cities are not beacons of hope, they're sort of miserable, especially in certain areas. I was a teacher and a lot of kids are extremely anxious and depressed in California. When you see kids in the country, they're happy and active and respectful. I know that's anecdotal but it feels pervasive. For me, I'd be more attracted to the left if they acknowledged that instead of acting like this is all inevitable and "progressive." But I'm probably just an ignorant hick.
Its not just hot button issues. There afraid for there lively hood stuff like a requirement for electric lawn mowers seems like a great idea for someone with a house in the city, but is a major problem for someone who has a Large area in the country.
@@LiberRaider The right can be gaddam evil sometimes, but the left is a complete mess of lunatics who advocate unsustainable nonsense as "Progressive". I would really want to see the segregation across ideological lines, so we an see how things pan out when states are run differently. I am very sure the Left would create societies and cities that would turn to a total decadent, broke and unsafe mess (like Portland, Stockholm etc.), and some would soon be trying to move into the territories controlled by the right. Only problem is that, when they do move into these territories they would again advocate their silly policies because the Left never like to take accountability after their failures, it is always "because their policies were not implemented right". The Left has produced kids without discipline, respect for elders/authorities, good mental health and resilience, but they will NEVER take accountability for the mess their ideas eventually create. Yet, they keep on trying to impose these failure-bound mentality & ideas on others just to feel good and "Progressive".
@gen-X-trader >an utter dislike for left-leaning culture I mean, isn't that reason enough? That's good enough reason for a divorce in a marriage. They no longer feel like they can work together to a mutually satisfiable future together, and would like to try with someone else. I'm about as far from conservative as you can get, but I do support them if that's what they want to do. There is a legitimate concern about 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner here. While, many progressives like to decry the electoral college, it does aim to strike a balance. Democracy ain't just first-past-the-post or majority rule.
The problem is that people don't talk with eachother. What if that ultraconservative father will have a gay son. His whole world will collapse. And what if the LMBTQ community would respect this old-school view of life which those old people don't want to change. (Which is inevitable though, so on the long run those conservatives will sufffer.)
for the person commenting on "they want to take away our agriculture." You can blame corporate America and the food industry for that. Yes, the food industry that financially supports your conservative politicians in D.C. that are more focused on their media appearances than their constituents.
No - there was a bill in Oregon that would’ve made it illegal to slaughter any cattle under 5 years old. Literally just trying to cripple an industry they don’t like but makes up a good portion of economics and culture east of the cascades
@@willieclark2256 ok but think about this. How many average liberal voter actually created that bill? Now how many large corpos who can afford to raise the cows to five did. Now as these farmers start to lose too much money these corpos buy up the farms. It’s a genuine concern and you can actually convince liberals to oppose it. But you need to leave the left right dichotomy to even process this stuff.
@willieclark2256 There are thousands of bills introduced, but most of them never get voted upon or passed. That particular bill may only have the support of the legislator who introduced it. The rest of the Legislature may ignore it. There is no reason to be concerned or panic. The legislation never became law.
The corporations love when people misdirect the blame away from them - the people who blame liberals for the actions of corporations might as well consider themselves accomplices.
As a native 3rd gen Oregonian tom McCall had it right! Now after 64 yrs I moved outta oregon because if you vote western oregon always has majority. Never thought id move from home state but it's Not the oregon my family was raised in. Was a nice place to visit but they didn't listen to Tom and stayed.
I’m pretty liberal, pretty tolerant, I’ve been to some weird places in london but those guys dressed as cowboys hip-thrusting is probably the most LGBT thing I’ve ever seen.
@@jameswalters3571 A phobia is an irrational fear. Jonpoo is not suffering from an irrational fear so he is not homophobic, just having a snigger at something that DOES look a bit gay even though it is not. They are having fun with their guns and providing the rest of us with entertainment. As Mr Bennet said in "Pride and Prejudice", "'For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?".
I’ve been in both cultures and I can confidently say that the side most afraid of being controlled and feel not listened to is most controlling and least likely to listen
Nah. Disagree with that one completely. Fauci and Branden took care of that for me. I'll never vote left again and never trust the left again for anything. Control is what the left wants. Why do you think they pushed the GD juice on everyone and closed everything up? Why do you think they are hysterical about Climate change and Trans this or that. All meant to be the tyranny of the minority.
Can somebody explain to me how a country of more than 300 million people can be easily broken down into just two major political parties??? Humans are a lot more complex than just “Conservative” & “Liberal”
Who are you people. Are you two evem Americans? 😂 Im starting to realize a lot of foreigners try to get involve in our politics when they, themselves, have nothing to do with us. It's either Eruo Trash or Gukes
parties represent the people on them who have shared views on a few issues. over time parties tend to band together with relatively similar parties to form political coalitions, seeking an electoral majority but also broadening the scope of their policy positions. the other parties will naturally follow suit so you end up with two large political coalitions trying to add as many special interest groups to their roster so they don't get outdone by the other. this naturally results in them embodying the opposite of pretty much everything the other stands for on every issue, while constantly trying to avoid losing any of the pieces of their coalition by being seen to fail them on some issue.
But do they really need to join Idaho? They can’t just make a new state (“Lincoln”) with eastern Washington? Jefferson needs to be its own state as well.
If these people spent more time actually engaging with their communities and less time watching TV and scrolling misinformation they’d realise that most of their concerns are imaginary.
Exactly millions of conservatives think Trans people are attacking people in bathrooms, which has happened a total of 1 time. And think that this imaginary problem is worth reducing people's rights.
I am a libertarian . I can see both sides but this comment section is very biased towards democrats. I will agree republicans need to improve on LGBT rights . I fully support equal rights and I think that’s the worst thing the republicans are at. However democrats are absolutely terrible on gun rights and drugs in Portland . Their legalization of all drugs in Portland destroyed the city and caused record drug addiction . They are also terrible on gun rights . If Portland wants to have strict gun control go ahead but you shouldn’t be pushing it on rural communities that are overwhelmingly against it . The people from Portland look down on people in those small towns as evil hunters and gun rights extremists. They don’t understand their culture at all . They talk about how the rural communities judge the cities and while many do the left leaning city is just as judgmental towards the small towns. One of the easiest ways to stop the popularity of this secession movement is to reach a compromise on guns . Stop pushing gun control on them but many democrats are too ignorant to see that.
Lol. Libertarian is just a scape goat republican. A libertarian is just a Republican until the Republican ruler does something dumb, then the libertarian say, that's not me, I'm right but not crazy.
@@johnnygoodman2003 are you stupid ? I just said I support LGBT rights and am for equal marriage . I argue with Republicans all the time on it and foreign intervention . Libertarians are for closing down us military bases in other countries and cutting the military industrial complex which republicans and democrats love. I don’t support censoring anyone for protesting for Palestine or Israel either . How is that a scape goat for republicans ?
You label yourself a libertarian yet you write that legalizing drugs destroyed Portland. Shouldn't an actual libertarian want drugs to be legal, to put the responsibility for safe use on individuals? If you were a libertarian then, just as you want no gun restrictions (trusting individuals to make the right choices), you should also want no drug restrictions. I suspect you are a "libertarian" only so far as it suits your tastes. Any response?
@@danielcrawford4134 Yes. I support decriminalization of drug possession but that doesn't mean I don't want drug dealers arrested. I would support a system like Portugal when it comes to drug issues. Portland claimed to want to copy it but in Portugal those drugs are still illegal they just don't arrest you for it. Instead they force you to go to rehab and fund their clinics. Portland did not fund its clinics as well and officers gave addicts a paper and told them to call the drug help hotline. It was a giant failure and now politicians are criminalizing it again. Also I very much consider myself a libertarian but that doesn't mean I have to agree with 100% of the party. I am assuming you are a democrat but if you disagree with one mainstream view of the party are you not a democrat? Now that I have answered your question. I would like an answer to my question. Why should people in East Oregon be subject to the same gun restrictions as in Portland when the vast majority of people out there do not support those policies?
Wonder how many times these people have actually experienced someone telling them "you can't do ... " and how much is down to what they are just told is happening on TV
Indeed. I have noticed many people on both sides of the political aisle confuse pushback with persecution. “I disagree” should not be viewed as the same as “I hate you and you are a terrible person.”
Yes the complete fabricated bullshit from Fox News and company is just tapping into people’s frustrations and general anger about the system and contradictions of capitalism. It’s a smoke and mirrors tactic to prevent people from coming together in solidarity. They’re constantly told the lgbtq community wants to turn all kids gay and trans, teachers are teaching gender theory in k-6, and if we add a few caravans from South America to come in then the entire system will collapse. It’s completely sensationalized or just pure bullshit.
90% of Oregoneons live in the big towns and Portland. It is their taxes which disproportionally pay for for infrastructure in low density Eastern Oregon. No one is trying to force them to raise trans kids, drive electric cars, or stop being law abiding/responsible gun owners. Much of this resentment is based on imaginary fear of discrimination, yet they seem happy to discriminate against those they disagree with, as they wish to join a state which is happy to legislate against personal freedoms.
This seems like a really shoddy economic argument. Economic activity being concentrated in dense urban areas, OK. But precisely what types of economic activity are concentrated in those areas? And what types are concentrated in the rural ones that want to leave? Would the level of infrastructure investment change if the conservative counties switched to a bordering state's administration? One where there's a better appreciation for traditional industries and a lot more votes for targeted fiscal support? Furthermore, should rural Oregon residents be more grateful for other taxpayers' support if they experience geographic disparities regardless?
@@kenhbeach Cities don't grow food. And in places like Colorado and Oregon I see videos where the liberals overreach in telling farmers what they should do (and mostly what they shouldn't do) to stop using fossil fuels. Farmers don't try to tell you how to do your job, don't tell them how to do theirs. Watch Clarkson's Farm. Its great.
There is a whole media structure-Fox/OAN etc etc-dedicated to keeping the outrageometer at 11,plenty of money to be made stoking that fire...see also religious grifters fleecing their flock with scary tales of how 5 yr old grandchilden are being forced to become gay or trans..
Absolutely. Borders are like marriages. When they don't work for the people in them, they should be dissolved, and the messiest part is divvying up the common assets.
I see Panorda box might be open if this happens. Who next, illinois leaving Chicago or southwestern Virginia & western Maryland joining west Virginia. Update new york become its own state.
@malachyramirez7677 nah merge all the states and then divide them in 2 all democrat voting counties in 1 and all republican voting in the other sure the new. Borders will look like a tumour but no more problems then /s
I don't see why there would be a problem here. It's a free country. The people want to be properly represented. Urban Oregon simply outnumbers rural Oregon, and they can force their ideals on Rural Oregon. The tyranny of a majority.
This happens all the time - things aren't going the way someone wants and they start whining that democracy doesn't work. Democracy doesn't mean getting your way all the time. Sheez.
3:25 He moved out of Portland because he found it "too liberal". But he couldn't be bothered to move a bit *further* east and actually live in Idaho? It's not as if Idaho was lacking in land he couldn't bought.
@RedXlV Actually 2/3 of Idaho is federal land and not for sale. We would welcome conservative reenforcements especially in Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley and Boise.
Good for these people in Oregon. People in rural areas should be able to divorce and disassociate from the increasing extremism coming out of the cities. They represent no one but themselves.
The sad thing about these secessionist movements…many of these secessionists really are fundamentally ignorant about how dependent they are on the group they want to split from. Pretty much every rural area in the country is heavily subsidized from infrastructure, schools, health care, farm insurance and subsidies, and law enforcement the federal or state governments…which take the vast majority of their revenue from the urban areas.
As someone in a rural area that is utter bs. The city's take the money from taxes in the rural areas to prop up failing city's. It is well known by people in the country side that money they are taxed gets mainly sent to the city's. Been like that from time and memoriam. Also...why not let them have that? If they succeed they succeed if they fail they fail. Sounds quite sense able. Unless you believe in the too big to fail mindset.
@@ChronaDecroxyeah, because their opinion on what happens to their tax money and how their finances are run is soooo believable and well informed /s. They totally pay attention to politics and their taxes beyond just the amount they have to pay. That’s like asking a man who beats his wife weather she deserves it or not. Or asking a salesperson if his product is the best there is. Or asking a student if they deserve their grade. Completely unreliable
@@yucol5661 that's quite elites of you. Look at the inverse. The city's would have more money to spend on their own things. How many city's have crime or homeless problems. Why not let it happen so we can learn what works. From what I know of history most city's depend on the country side.
@@ChronaDecrox What is your source on this? Every single article on the matter from local news in Oregon mentions how the city of Portland subsidizes these counties. 90% of the countries GDP comes from Major Metropolitan areas (cities and the suburbs that directly surround them). I think you are just conflating your feelings with what is true. Facts say otherwise. It is usually cities that always subsidized rural areas throughout history. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought power and water to large swaths of areas in the Southeast at a great cost of billions of dollars. The TVA's budget was greater than the GDP of the areas that it was built in for example.
"We're all for Democracy, we LOVE Freedom and Democracy! But you can't "force" people who want polar opposite things together, it's not a healthy way to run a society!" - Oh, got it! So what you're saying is that you only love Democracy when YOU win all the votes, right? That's not "Democracy" it's totalitarianism, real Democracy means that even if you think the people who won a vote are dumb as a box of rocks you still abide by it; it's healthy because it forces people to live with one another under rules decided by THE MAJORITY. Stomping your feet and trying to gain independence so you will get things your way is *not* democratic and these people are nothing short of animals. And yes, I'm fully well aware the person at the start said " Democracy doesn't work.", but up to this point this entire movement has been pro-Democracy. You're not "free" without some form of Democracy, at best you're simply not a slave, and you most certainly won't have more of a voice.
The US is not a democracy. It's a country where republicans are favored in the electoral college system. A real democracy has the popular vote. They gerrymander lines so they win in certain area's and then say the democrats commit election fraud without proof. Now they even try with this move to get more electoral votes. They should be put in prison.
Both the USA and the state of Oregon are Republics not Democracies. Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.
@@aleph8888 Oh, look, one of those people who doesn't understand that a Republic is simply a system in which the people CHOOSE (in any way they see fit) their rulers. And in turn their rulers exercise supreme power for the people. Fun fact; you can also be a Democracy, you see if you VOTE for rulers and laws you're still also a Republic. It's almost like the Constitution is set up to be a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC not just a Republic. Honestly, you people have no reading comprehension and will buy into anything.
Self-determinism is democracy. There's nothing wrong with a separatist state wanting it's own country - Palestine being one of them. Scotland got a crack at a vote and elected a nationalist separate party. So why not a US State too?
Reminiscing about the traditional gas stations of yesteryears reminds one of a bygone era characterized by amiable attendants, comprehensive service, and a palpable sense of community. The transition from full-service to self-service has not only elicited feelings of nostalgia but has also brought about a discernible societal shift. This evolution has, regrettably, led to a diminution in interpersonal connections and a loss of communal sentiment. Nostalgia, while evoking fond recollections, tends to gloss over the less favorable aspects of the past.
If they dont like Oregon why not just go live in Idaho - its right there - nobody is stopping them . Its not liberals' fault that these right wingers want to live in 1873
@@20quid and have said in the past. In the 60's and 70's during the Vietnam era and the protests that went along with it, they said "America, love it or leave it!" millions of times
It is basically your century old urban vs rural divide, what has changed is that whereas 30 years ago the population was still more evenly split between rural and urban as was the economics, this has now reversed. Anywhere in the world, it is the cities which drive wealth creation be it London, Paris, Mumbai, Tokyo, San Fran, Austin etc it is not driven my the rural economy. This has caused angst amongst rural voters who have seen their towns depleted of people and hence services. In the US towns are basically democratic voter bases vs rural is republican. The same applies by states, all the high GDP per capital states in the USA are basically democrat, the poorer states are republican. If the USA adapted a “2 state solution” and the fiscal transfers from democratic states to republican states would stop, many red state would be in a heap of trouble. The GDP per capita of the democrat part of the USA would rise and be higher than that of the republican states. So even if you look at Oregon where is the wealth, tax base etc? , it is along the coast, esp Portland. Personally not a great fan of the place but that is where the money is made, like it or not. The eastern part is a fiscal drag on the western part. Many voters don’t want to believe this or refuse to believe it. Why would Idaho tax payers take on the eastern part of Oregon which they would then have to subsidize to keep afloat? As to starting your own state it would be a vote for poverty, a bit like Brexit. Feels good emotionally, logically a case of shooting yourself in the foot.
Yeah but when those maps were drawn there were no liberal cities. If our predecessors could see the non binary liberals now they would understand the new borders 😂
@boharcrump6312 So you advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater... an example if conservative family values. It's tyrany that the fewer than 300,000 in Eastern Oregon want to rule the 4,000,000 in Western Oregon. In a democracy you count the votes and majority rules.
yeah and guess which half feeds and provides raw materials to the other side? If they seperated and were to never communicate again, the big cities would starve and erupt into chaos, the rural areas would just survive with a slight lower standard of living.
The solution to this issue has been in front of us the whole time - limited government. That way one side isn’t forced to live the way the other wants. Our founders knew this and set us up to have this but we became complacent and ignored their warnings and strayed from this model.
Guys if you don’t like your state, then move. Our ancestors literally crossed an ocean so don’t give me complaints about it being too hard. Cities in all states do their things. Rural folks & small towns do theirs. That’s it. One group shouldn’t force their beliefs on the other and vice Versa. Respect others and live and let live. Simple as that.
That IS solid advice, but unfortunately, it really isn't just as simple as that. Urban areas tend to control everything in state governments. Urban dwellers make laws that effect people living in rural areas, but not the other way around.
@@sterlingmarshel6299 This isn't a democracy, my man. The United States Constitution is the law of THIS land, not the fickle whims of the unwashed masses... AKA: democracy. And for the record, I already live in one of the best states in the nation, and have no intention of leaving.
Whose business is it? Lax gun laws have a terrible effect on everyone, not just gun owners. People who insist on having massive diesel cars are damaging the world for everyone, not just themselves.
That’s is exactly the wrong thing to do. The issue is we aren’t talking to each other. We need to hold Q &A’s for both sides to come to understandings and compromise so we can find a solution
I have heard about the people of eastern Oregon who feel captive to the liberal majority of western Oregon. Oregon is not unique! I have noticed a pattern in American politics: The higher the population density of a town, the more liberal and blue it is. These towns end up making the majority of a state's population or the largest chunk of a state's population(33% to 50%). The red, conservative towns become captive to the liberal, blue towns. 1) This has happened in Illinois. Central and southern Illinois are captive to Chicago and much of northern Illinois. 2) Red upstate New York is captive to the New York City area. 3) Pennsyltucky is captive to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. 4) Most of Maryland is captive to Montgomery County, Prince George's County, the City of Baltimore, and northern Charles County. 5) Most of Virginia is captive to Northern Virginia, Richmond, and Norfolk. Governor Youngkin worked extremely hard to win the captive areas and won big in those areas. He was able to eke out a victory, so there is hope(I have lived in Virginia since 1965.). I call these situations the "Oregon Syndrome" or the "Illinois Syndrome".
Here’s an idea: Why not have gun control in the cities and no gun control in the rural counties? The vast majority of rural conservatives haven't been near a city for generations, so what's the problem?
@@equinox2655 You say your rights are important but you're a complete hypocrite. You think you have the right to force women to have rapists babies. You hate freedom
Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Chille and others are democracies, WE are a Republic-there is a HUGE difference so learn it and QUIT CALLING US A DEMOCRACY!!!!!
Not so Ivan, the USA is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a Representative DEMOCRACY. Now go tell that to the other trolls in your Moscow troll farm
If they are concerned about their kids being taught to be gay, then how did the ones who were NOT taught to be gay turn out to be gay if no one taught them...that's how gay works doesn't it? If you want to farm like they did in the old days, then go ahead and plough your fields with an Ox and pick everything by hand....you know, like they did hundreds of years ago (except this time, without the slaves)
@@paradisehub9382I believe he was exaggerating for effect-some people are credulous enough to believe anything especially if it reinforces their own predjudice,that can be true of either side of the political divide to be sure.
I was born in Eastern Oregon. I want to retire there, but refuse to as long as the state is in a choke hold by the demonrats. If the Greater Idaho movement succeeds then I will again consider retiring in GREATER IDAHO. PRINEVILLE has always ben a den of hippies, squatters, drugs, thieves and trashy living. We lived in Redmond and delivered fuel there. It was disgusting what the "hippies" did to that quiet city. All those that could, moved out of there. Property values are terrible in Prineville due to the abhorrent population norms now there.
Tell you what tough guy, why don't you show up at an event like that Cowboy Shoot and say that same thing to their faces? Come on you loudmouth monsoon, put on your big boy pants and belly up to the bar!
@@Game_HeroCounties don’t get to vote what state they’re in LOL 🤣🤣🤣People live in the state they live in. If they don’t like it they can move. It’s called personal accountability.
@@MM-xc2bt yeah but you are free to pursue a higher paycheck. Chinese nationals are wealthier than ever but still need government approval to travel abroad.
@thomasmcroy1756 no you are not! To get higher paying job you have to have the $$ and time to go to college or trade school. And in a pos country that makes food, roof over head and health care luxuries. You have to work multiple jobs and still have to steal to eat with no time or $$ for further education.
@@tylerkriesel8590 The head of government was never meant to be part of a state is what you mean. The current plan would be to keep congress, White House, etc as the District of Columbia, and have the surrounding city become a state. As for Puerto Rico, I’m pretty sure they’ve voted for statehood twice now, so I don’t know what you are talking about
@@nikhilnewse3318there are more republicans in the Portland area than republicans in the entire state of Idaho. You do this silencing of conservative voices to yourself with your electoral college
*The eastern Oregonians seek to reduce the number of Electoral College electors that blue-state Oregon has, and increase the number of Electoral College electors that red state Idaho has, to thereby increase the chance that Republicans win the presidency.* These people must be resisted.
Or, they actually want to have representation on government which fptp denies them. Pretty reasonable. You’d probably all be much happier with some decentralisation. Anything to circumvent the American cold civil war.
Arguably any secession or split of any state would result in this. If a large conservative state like Texas split up some its current electoral votes would go to the new liberal smaller states as well.
You could argue the right has compromised far more than the left in the last 100 years. The left doesn't see it as compromise, they see it as progress. They will riot and burn things down when they feel out of options. The right tends to get political, organize and vote or move away and isolate. Neither is a great strategy for compromise and democratic strength. We're in a pickle.
Neither Salem nor Olympia offer compromise; they tell the rural citizenry to shut their mouths, lower their heads, and pay the taxation levels that are theft rate and be happy about it. The Woke fanaticism that controls both Washington State and Oregon State politics allows for no compromise. This is the reality for rural citizens on the east side of the Cascade Range of the two States. I was born and raised in Western Washington State, and finished high school in Wyoming, and have family in Western Oregon, so I know all about the specifics of what's going on politically, culturally, and economically in both of those states. Sadly, both Olympia and Salem are too stupid, too arrogant, and too narcissistic, to understand just how dangerous a situation now exists in both States. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tslike they know who they are angry at. The same “woke” politicians they hate just unleashed cops and “counter protesters” on college kids sitting in the quad. There is no “woke left” politically in America. There is a center right party and a far right party. There is no “”woke left” politically speaking in the US. Biden just tried to ram through a 100% GOP immigration bill and has still yet tot act on abortion. That’s not how a “woke left” party responds to election wins, by giving in. Heck the GOO loses electorally and they still win policy wise.
It Called "Living in a Democracy", where the most votes win, at least in theory (Gerrymandering😡). While these people in the rural east may not like it, the basic facts are that the urban areas are simply outvoting them, containing ~two-thirds of the State's population. Besides, it's not like the Eastern Oregonians are the only group in this quandary of being "trapped" in a State where the majority rule is antithetical to their own personal politics. I'm certain all those Democratic Voters living in Liberal Islands like Austin, TX loved have their Rights & Options for Reproductive Healthcare curtailed or eliminated by the Conservative Majority, just as an example.
Funny you mentioned Austin. They passed an ordinance to require extra breaks for people working outside when the temperature was over a certain temperature and the state legislature passed a law blocking such ordinances just to own liberal Austin.
Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .
Eastern Oregon is like less than 10% of Oregon's population and thry want to take half the states land? Also they're overwhelmingly subsidized by the western part of the state. If Idaho did take eastern Oregon it would be a huge financial burden.
@@adamheuer8502 Lol no, collectively it belongs to the State of Oregon. Imagine if a blue city in a red state said we don't like the politics here so we're gonna take half the states land and make our own state or join a blue state.
@@TrampMachine I really don’t see why they would have a problem with that? The issue is that in the 70’s California started this trend of using state powers to override local government and create this division. Laws should only be applied at the smallest level logistically possible. For example it should be up to local government to decide what schools should teach not the 51% of people who live in a capitol 300 miles away
@@TrampMachine but he's not wrong, when the majority of the counties vote one way and their voice amounts to nothing, it's like dutifully working for the ruling class who are in this case a bunch of twisted freaks!
I believe the real issue in America it lacks real Democracy. A reform so have more then two parties that serve the rich would make a difference and allow small voices to be heard. People love say how different left and right are but in reality most people generally in the middle.
So then can I assume that you would be in favor of doing away with the Electoral College? Having a simple majority vote determine the winners of political elections, would be much closer to a direct democracy than having the Electoral College as the deciding factor. Are you in favor of that or would you rather just go for whatever suits your own personal agenda the best?
@PendeltonWhiskey a better system would be MMP but I think any system where people's voices matter more is only a good thing. Not a personal thing as I don't live in America
If both States legislated to accept the will of counties wanting to change State, it would (eventually) have to go to Congress and the Senate for ratification and I guarantee, it will sit in Congress for Years!!
don't like Oregon, well we don't like you, your free to move to Idaho leave the states boarders you're not welcome to them, don't let the door hit you on your way fun fact Oregon's original boarder included Oregon, Washington, Idaho and the nose of Montana maybe we should get that boarder back
@@LilyGazou been there done that, I'm not afraid of vaccines, little one I'm a baby boomer, we were regularly lined up in the school cafeteria in second and third grade, for a vaccine here a shot there I have been regularly getting a flu vaccine since the 80s when you had to have a doctor's permission, lined up with the geezers to get one, now I'm the geezer. why because my dear wife was one of the few allergic to them not the eggs but the preservatives that's what love will do to you, and also the big one if I got the flu, it usually turned into pneumonia vaccines bring them on I'll take two
No but the actions that people who are not informed have harm such communities and effectively do this. This is occurring in Europe and there have been mass protests as a result.
this video is kind of garbage, the eastern oregoners don't care that much about LGBT issues and weed, their primary concerns are rising crime, gun rights, land rights, farming and overall protecting their ways of life.
Would you care to provide an expanded understanding for the context of your statement? I live in Wyoming and have Arapahoe friends, Ogallala Sioux friends, Crow, as well as Alaskan Inuit family, and a variety of Washington State local peoples, having gone to school with many members of the peoples cited. I'm 1/16 Cherokee, raised by 1/4 Cherokee Gramm, and a Half Blood Chocktaw Grandfather. My point is that for me, American Indians are not esoteric, or theoretical concepts: they are real people, with real cultures I have experienced and understand, as well as the whole concept of what it means to live on the Rez (Reservation). Prior to my grandfolks taking me in, I lived in public housing in a poor, across the tracks, section of a town in Western Washington, a stone's throw from the Tulalip Reservation, which is a stone's throw from the Quileute area, and later lived and traveled in the Nooksack lands (great hobby gold prospecting area), in the Nooksack Valley just South of Bellingham WA. While I finished high school out of Wyoming, I grew up in the Puget Sound area, so I know exactly what channel 4 video on this issue actually means to the people who live there, because the very same debate that is going on in Oregon is happening in Washington State at this very moment. The bottom line is that the rural people in the Eastern sides of both Washington State and Oregon State are being oppressed and downtrodden by the higher population progressive Woke fanatics on the western side of the Cascade Range: that pro-abortion older woman kept lying through her teeth about working through the system; the Woke fanatics in Salem and in Olympia do not listen to the people on the east sides of the Cascade Range: as the saying goes in the West they treat them like a bunch of 'Red-Headed Step Children'; beating the daylights out of them in taxation and oppressive laws, rules, and regulations, but denying them their rights. They tell people on the East side of the Cascade Range to shut their mouths and accept everything that Salem and Olympia shovel down their throats. This is why you have movements in both East Washington and East Oregon to separate from the West sides of their dictatorial overlords in Salem and Olympia. This is the true reason why those movements exist. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA
@@herculeholmes504 Nah. My instinct was right. If I were asked tomorrow to ride out with the cowboys or the injuns, it’d be with the latter all the way into the sunset. 🐎 🌅
4:31 here’s a fucking genius idea, make the different laws in Oregon, apply to the different counties in Oregon. If people in Portland want liberal laws they can get liberal laws, if the east wants conservative laws they can get conservative laws
6:52 It's worrying that you're expecting your granddaughters will need abortions... Why are you not concerned about what's going on in their lives if they would get to the stage of needing/wanting that?
These are the same people who for years told us "if you don't like it here, you can leave". Apparently they can dish it out but they can't stand being on "the other side".
Yeah, I thought liberals in Oregon were the snowflakes that needed safe spaces, according to many of these right leaning folks prior to this effort to join Idaho
@@stevengayler8447 Eastern Oregonians are takers. They pay far less in taxes than they receive in benefits from those horrible people in Western Oregon
Californians fled their state and drove up property prices in Idaho. In some cases people have been on their ranch or farm for many generations in Oregon.
As a British person watching this from abroad, what confuses me is this: my understanding of Americans is that they believe in freedom, and people minding their own business. These cowboy types are in favour of freedom and people being able to decide themselves how to live and not having other people tell them what to do. So why do they care if other people want to have a gay marriage or smoke pot or whatever else they want to do in Portland? Why can’t they just mind their own business and live and let live? Like the guy who lived in Portland and then left because they were living lifestyles different from his own, couldn’t he just mind his own business? It seems like the side which talks the most about freedom is the one which likes freedom the least
@@malachyramirez7677 That's because a majority of Oregonians elected the Governor and Legislature. America is a Democratic Republic and that's how it works.
Pretty gross comparing simple democratic change of one constituency for another and a full-on pointless war to keep holding people as property. Frankly, if I was african-american, I'd be offended by this being used so casually like this.
@@Game_Hero but you're not, so you can save yourself the faux outrage and move to a conservative or liberal state if you want to. Old timers in Oregon don't want to move to Idaho but complain all day long that there's an imaginary boot on their neck
What a DOLT! The United States of America is a Representative Democracy. Your problem is that you hate Democracy which means that you hate America. GET OUT!
The lady at 7:25 is clearly not paying any attention to the way Salem has been roughshod over the Eastern side of Oregon for a long time. We have no say as the Western side of the state has a supermajority of representatives in the state legislation and the Eastern side has about three people who are standing up for them. What this has produced is a situation where the roads and everything else has evolved into a shambles. It is also interesting to note that the majority of the truckers that come up from California turn onto highway 97 to avoid the issues and garbage that comes with driving up the Western side of the state. The only time that the roads are worked on in the Eastern side of the state is when we literally and actively try to get the border changed. In Klamath Falls there has been no work on any of the roads even though the Highway department clearly stated that they were in such bad shape that they would have to be closed. After we signed the petition to move the border the then State Election Commissioner (now Governor) changed the ballot to be a three-year study to move the border. The prior governor and now this governor also suddenly decided to fix a very dangerous intersection at HY 140 and HY66. They also somehow found some money to repave HY140 at Bly Mountain. Both of these places were well known to not just cause accidents, but also to kill people. Pendelton is on the I84 corridor which is one of the two major highways, and the state of Oregon is forced to maintain those roads by the Federal Government. Highways 140, 66, 97, 138, 20, and 26 are state maintained and supervised roads and on the Eastern side they are in shambles. The exorbitant taxes we pay on the Eastern side of the mountains for road maintenance is directed to the Western side of the State and we usually only see about ten cents on the dollar (in a good year) to maintain the roads that the state should maintain. This is just a small part of the disillusionment of the Eastern side of the state's grievances!
Conservatives: If you don’t like it, move. Also conservatives: We don’t like it, but we’re not moving. We’re relocating a third of the state to Idaho with us. Hypocrites
@TheTrueOnyxRose Land is also property that is owned by the county. And if said county votes to secede, it is their right to do so. Almost half of all counties want to secede from the west side of Oregon. That is a bad image for west Oregon. If half of your entire state wants to leave for some greener pastures, you're doing a terrible job at running the state. And who runs the legislative body of Oregon? Oh yeah. Democrats.
@@Red-Check-Mark: All this shows is a small number of people throwing fits, wanting to get their way and willing to destroy a whole state over it. They know what they’re asking for is unreasonable, but who cares? They want what they want, and that’s all that they want. They don’t even have the guts to create their own state. Instead, they want another state to take care of them. It’s just easier for everyone involved to relocate rather than pressure another state to eat the cost of taking on more land. Or have you forgot Idaho is a conservative state? They don’t want that financial burden.
If you don't like the policies of the state in which you live, move to one that aligns with your views. That's the way the country was designed, and why you have the Constitutional right of freedom of movement.
I lived in NW Indiana in the early-to-mid 90s. Lake County has more in common with Illinois, esp Cook County, than most of the rest of Indiana, but there wasn't the whine of "We want to be Illinois, not Indiana." It seems that it's usually conservatives that want their way. I haven't read about the Atlanta secession movement, or the splitting of North Carolina because liberals are unhappy with the conservative control of the states
My parents left IL in the 90s to come to NWI because it’s basically the same Chicagoland they’re used to but without failing public schools, high crime, and high tax burdens - the South Heights to Crown Point pipeline was massive in the 90s and like half of the people in South Lake County I knew had a background in IL, either born there or one generation removed. Hammond and Gary keep the Region blue but don’t be surprised if IN-01 swings red in our lifetime, it’s trending that way. I think people always vote with their feet but maybe there’s a sense on the left of the eventuality of their goals and a sense on the right that it’s “now or never?” As a conservative myself I’d try to flatter my side by saying were bigger on devolving more autonomy to local levels, so the libs of Asheville or Atlanta don’t feel the pressure of their state laws quite as strict, but I know that’s not true… Might be as simple as living in a purple area has its pluses, plenty of people hold their nose to live in a place that’s more affordable.
Hello? I'd like to to inform you of CHAZ, Seattle, where by violence and complete intolerance of not anything extreme left, large groups of people ANNEXED several districts in the City, (even though a lot of them didn't live there) and declared complete independence from the United States. It took armed force to restore those districts.
and they get an immediate 40% pay cut. Oregon's minimum wage is exactly 40% higher. They also get to pay a sales tax and don't forget, the multiTRILLION dollar price tag for the land grab will send Idaho taxes soaring for generations. I guess this all makes perfect sense to a cap pistol shooting fatty
There are a few states where small geographic pockets of population control the entire state. The nation as a whole is a Constitutional Republic, but the individual states work more like a pure democracy and those who preach freedom only believe in it when you agree with their twisted ideology. New York is a prime example, two thirds of the counties vote one way, but it's always an exercise in futility.
@@PendeltonWhiskey You making up new terms doesn't make it so. We are a Constitutional Republic or simply a Republic we have never been a democracy! "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
@@peterjohnson1734 The United States is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a representative DEMOCRACY. Are you just a Putin tool here in the United States or are you a Russian troll? Which is it?
@@kostas0352 following your logic, then we should all leave this continent so that native americans can live on the land their ancestors lived on? If you don’t like the laws of a state, you pack your stuff and leave to another state that abides by their cuntservative policies.
I'm a liberal in Boise, Idaho. I know what it's like to be affected by a state government I don't agree with. There's absolutely no way to draw state lines in a way that everyone will find themselves in a political situation they enjoy. If the folks in Eastern Oregon get their Greater Idaho, I want my blue city of Boise to be able to split off from Idaho. Of course, both ideas (Greater Idaho and Boise splitting from Idaho) are completely untenable. People just have to accept that you're not going to always get your way politically.
America never disappoints to perplex me. It is a country of many forms. It looks so impeccable on the facade, thanks to its ginormous entertainment and media industry, but it so messy internally. A land of polar opposites to say the least. A home to the largest homeless people on earth, apart from those displaced by wars in active conflict zones, as well as the largest Mega rich billionaires. Fascinating!!!
You do not know in deep. Even physicians in the US are some kind of poor. Can you imagine next: During Coronavirus a private practice physicians come to us to tell us good news: The Governemnt will help us with money, only 1%. What is problem? He does not have money to live a month without work. We, as immigrants, have money to live next 5 years. We say: Thank you very much, good news.. :) You cannoty oimagine how peopl eare poor here. In fact, they have so-so life, but they have nothing.
They have a house? No. They have a car? No. Wife and husband, teachers, tell to us: Finally we owned our house. We have more money now for us.. Nice? Yes. But they are 65 years old.
Most of Americans trust theitr government, trust bank, laweys, trust system. When we started to open p[rivate practice An American, in order to help us, say: Fine, now we will go to bank to get money. We do not need money. He was surpsrised, how it is possiblem, he knows what money we have.... Americnas need about $200K to open privat epractice. We spend only $17K. :) System i sporblme....they work a lot for nothing in fact.
I don't see how Idaho can economically adopt this land from Oregon. The amount of infrastructure, laws, and other state government-controlled things that would need to be changed and maintained is enormous. Idaho has nothing to gain from this.
There are plenty of examples already of communities doing whatever they want when it comes to law, take California allowing illegals in, or Texas allowing silencers, or Oregon legalizing all hard drugs, all of these places violated federal law and did whatever they wanted so there is plenty of precedent for doing that already
From wikipedia: Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others". You mentioned a seditious civil war somewhere in there...
Seditious civil war? You little tyrants really do lose your minds when the Right stands up to you. These counties are engaged in a 100% legal process that is part of the design of this country.
Say what you will, and make fun all you want about the caricature “blue haired vegan democrats” but my guy in the beginning of the video with an enormous gut, cowboy hat and a pointy moustache playing Wild West in broad daylight is as good a caricature of a republican as you can get 😂😂😂
Australia, same area size as United States, has 7 States. Granted, we are only 26 million people spread over the land, yet we live basically normal day-to-day lives under a system where national elections held every 3 years on a Saturday are almost always settled by late that night. Come Monday either the old government continues (no limiting factors, i.e. only two terms) or the new lot settle in. Of course the usual ratbaggery of political misconduct runs free during campaigning, yet we stay relatively free of pulling the country apart, the beat goes on. Basket case America is on an inane downward spiral to a chaos it will take a generation to rectify as even a blind man can see if Trump loses one side of the political split will put it down to a rigged election and damn the consequences. Trump's true and lasting legacy.
You guys gave away your guns and lost all leverage with your government. Now your government is curtailing certain rights like free speech (specifically, arresting a pregnant woman for speaking out against the China virus lockdowns on social media). Other Anglophone countries like Britain and Canada are behaving similarly. So why should we take cues from you?
As an outside observer, I seriously think that one day the US will split into two or more countries someday. Perhaps not permanently, but maybe for like 20 or so years. The ideologies there are so different.
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The problem is US national politics has descended into identity over actually doing anything useful.
No. The problem is red diaper doper babies.
This is the right(Republicans) and center-right(democrats) fault.
Democrats only want basically little better for people and republicans do not care about people and want to have power over people without any reason at times.
Context: Bc national politics has been bought by corporation
This has nothing to do with identity politics.
It kinds does, but only because it has been so inexorably tied into the bipartisan circus act that American politics has become. It has become some stereotype that if you support renewable energy, then you support the "LGBT agenda whatever" even if you have no opinion on it. It means that if you support LGBT but opposite gun control, you're a fence sitter and subject to ridicule for wanting compromise.
It's ridiculous how polarizing both sides have become.
Oregon people are tired of taxation without representation.
There is no sales tax here
@@Columbiagorgekayaker541 Oregon has high income tax and gross receipts tax.
Everybody in Oregon is represented equally at the Capitol with their own state congressional and senatorial representatives elected by their districts.
@@oscargrouch7962 Yeah but it's not as high as California
@@Columbiagorgekayaker541 California? This video is about Oregon not California.
Same thing in every state. Urban areas are liberal and rural areas conservative.
that simplifies it, here it seems to go much deeper from politics, but their sociocultural identity and economy that is much closer to Idaho. It really is two worlds apart.
@@Game_Hero
Not sure what your point is.
Indeed it looks like that in every country.
Here in Italy is the same. With the difference that while in America you have to deal with just liberals and conservative, in Italy we have a range more wide of ideologies.
We have commies, socialists and anarchic in the cities togheter with the vast majority of the people that is between what you call "liberals" and "conservative", we call them democrats or republicans.
While in the rural areas we have again anarchics and even fascist people (while not real fascists because they themselves don't know what "Fascism" is, they just pretend to be like that). And are usually more traditional and religious. Against abortion, against foreign religions, pro-traditional family, no LGBT and stuff like that. That's the citizen basin that votes our right wing.
Left wing, while being pro to much of these things, they usually ends up being less effective due to internal debate. And we accuse them openly to fail too much. Mostly because the historical left in Italy, namely and specifically the commies, have brought Italy from being a country destroyed by the ww2 to the 7th and later 8th economic power of the planet.
And still today the "anti-fascist" constitution we have is an heritage of that past. It grants a shitton of rights, some even Americans don't have. But at the same time it makes burocracy and sustainability of the system a bit of a burden for our economy.
Not like the EU and the ECB are not trying to dismantle everything we have, of course not. But we care about our rights. And we won't give them up to Europe.
And that's why many voted the right wing... as absurd as it may look, but it happen also in America, popular political crusades are actually carried out by those who usually not share any bounds with the people, with the plebeans. The proletariat.
The right wing historically belongs to aristocracy in all it's forms: monarchies, church, bourgesie, industrialists and corporativists...
You know, the white collars in America.
So that's shocking but at the same time is also understandable since the right usually fights against the needs to change.
The correct path would be that of introducing changings slowly, in order to people to understand and accept it. But lately such changing was too fast and people of course fear it and struggle to adapt, especially if the State and current government don't do anything to help that.
So it's just 50% win and 50% loss.
It's a win because Italy resist to the imposition of changing in what we think it's something bad, it's a loss because the right is doing exactly that: Cutting voices on the budget.
Healthcare was cut, edication was cut, pensions was cut.
And people soon or later will be furious when they will discover on their skin that those they have voted for to do a job have also done exactly the opposite while pretending to care.
Reason why the Meloni government will not last forever. But of course, there will be in any case the elections. So...
And I think it's kinda similar to what is happening to America too.
People wants politicians to respect their traditions and take care of some of these things, they vote for the only ones that promise these things, but they end up having less than before.
In Italy such moment usually anticipate a brilliant victory of the Left.
In America... well you guys are about to elect Trump no matter what so you're about to start this cycle. Not ending it.
Electing Biden again would be unrealistic.
The only other option that have some chance to get the victory is Kennedy. To me, he looks like a good guy. We Italians could give him the seat of President of the Minister's Council. The same Constitution says that you don't have to be Italian to be elected President... 😅
#KennedyForItaly! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BlackDoveNYC that this movement is deeper than just "I don't like them democrats" like some people simplify it, it really does make more sense for everyone for eastern Oregon to join Idaho, they match better on tons of things.
Rural make gmo food, sell guns to gangs and urban make wage slave jobs, more homeless
Just to let all non-Americans know, this seperation will never happen. The State of Jefferson movement in CA has gone nowhere. Under Article 4 Section 3 of our constitution, state borders can only change when each of the state legislatures involved agree on it, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.
No single state in the US will be able to seperate. This extremist are just lost living in the 1800s.
And voting for trump. And trying to stage the armed coup when he lost the last election. The rest of the world watches in horror with baited breath. No-one really cares whether Oregon moves it's borders, it's the people who want to that are the worry.
It’s against the constitution to make a new state out of an existing one. There is no law against this and plenty of the counties have voted for it
Well it didn't stop West Virginia .... long after your constitution was adopted
@@terryhoath1983 So West Virgina isn't part of the US anymore? I don't know I'm English, but I thought it was?
These Liberals are the same ones who cheered on the "CHAZ" debacle in Seattle.
I dont think anyone was cheering that movement aside from the people living in CHAZ.
To quote these kinds of people, "If you don't like it, then move".
Exactly. Don’t like your county voting to join Idaho you can move to the coast.
@@willieclark2256 That's literally never gonna happen. They can move to Idaho or deal with the political persecution of living in a state where trans people can get healthcare or something idk
Contrary to popular belief, people actually like their homes and communities and want to stay put. Some can't afford to move to Idaho.
@@edwardcumpstey9061 duh, I'm aware of that. I'm just pointing out that these are the kinds of people who will tell others to move out of America if they have any sort of criticism with how things are run here
@@edwardcumpstey9061 The main agitator literally moved from Portland to this small town, then found it was still not conservative enough so he wanted it to become part of Idaho. He could just as well move another few towns over into Idaho himself.
We are a constitutional republic not a democracy
pip squeeks keep saying that but it doesn't change reality. The United States of America is a Representative Democracy. Your problem is that you hate Democracy which means that you hate America
The republic is a democracy. Those party names mean so little in the grand scope of things.
@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl When I hear these clowns, one after the other saying that the United States isn't a democracy I'm compelled to correct them. I completely understand that it is a Republic within which is a Representative Democracy. Our elections are Democratic elections.
@@WhitneySmith-ey7dl Party names mean everything to the truly demented. As for evidence of that fact, look at how many clowns keep posting the same asinine anti democratic message over and over again on this thread.
@@djpsychosix8235 Therefore the Republic is a Democracy as the constitution calls for elections to be won by majority.
Listening to Oregon liberals talk about “they just need to work within the government we have“ seems to totally ignore the fact that electorally it’s impossible for these people to win on a state level due to the population disparity between the big cities and areas. In addition to that the state government on the east side of the divide has absolutely zero interest in listening to people on the west side, if not openly despise them.
Oh boo hoo! poor victimized baby! baby want to steal 2/3 of Oregon to make himself feel better?
It’s not impossible, it’s about messaging sucks if your tactics within the rules and law it’s fair game.
Liberals in conservative states are in the exact same situation but they don't throw a temper tantrum and try to steal 2/3 of those states
It's called democracy. And if people despise them maybe they should ask why? It's called reflection. Not whining.
@@JaneCounts I wish I could just eject them from the USA. They hate democracy because they want an authoritarian dictator namely Trump. All of this nonsense is about Trump. It's all about the clown cult
As some one who lived in oregon, i loved the lax drug laws and the old gun laws. Its was good mix of red and blue laws until all my fellow freedom loving republicans left. I just want a government that lets people live how they want as long you do not hurt no one psychically or financially there should be no crime.
The notion that Republicans are freedom loving is a myth. It is something said, but not internalized. Freedom to them means the opposite for others. Like the freedom to impose religion.
you can either have lax drug laws or lax gun laws - you can't have both
Sure, if conservatives from rural America want to separate to another state then liberals in urban population centers that happen to be in red states should be able to separate too. Because of how the electoral college works, presidential elections would be a guaranteed lock for liberals. Be careful of what you wish for
Not only that, but making cities states themselves would guarantee a Democratic senate.
Nothing is permanent .
Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side .
And it gets 40% Wyte vote .
Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation .
And AA were on the Republicans side .
This thing reversed in the past .
It can reverse in the future too .
@@AmazingDuckmeister Nothing is permanent .
Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side .
And it gets 40% Wyte vote .
Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation .
And AA were on the Republicans side .
This thing reversed in the past .
It can reverse in the future too .
Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes .
Don’t forget that .
Also these people are most heavily armed .
They can easily capture the country by force .
@@AmazingDuckmeister Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes .
Don’t forget that .
Also these people are most heavily armed .
They can easily capture the country by force .
If half the state wants to leave then let them leave? Why are Libs so adamant about them staying. Why have half the state of people stay in a state that they no longer want to be a part of? If Libs in a red state wanted to join another state then let them. Let them govern themselves the way they want to be governed. Why force each side to abide by a lifestyle that they dont want, believe, or agree too? Sounds Fascist to me.
Because they want to control you. It’s the same reason they view you as a tax cow
Because communism can only survive off the broken backs and misery of those who are forced to comply or die!!
Because they want (And their very EXISTENCE) depends on raking-in all those Tax $$$'s.
There's no reason to think that 50 is the "perfect" number of states. I'd love to see rural parts of many states separate and form their own states--maybe get America up to 70 or 80 states in total, with all of these new Rural states each getting two new Senators.
@@AniwayasSong Obviously you're completely unaware that western Oregon pays for the welfare of eastern Oregon. Eastern Oregonian pays less in taxes than it receives from the Oregon state government. The citizens of western Oregon pay MORE in taxes than western Oregon receives from the Oregon state government which means that the generous hard working citizens west of the cascades very generously support the ungrateful whiners in eastern Oregon and have done so for more than a hundred years.
Democracy as long as is my own version of democracy
They just want to be inside a state that agrees with them, why does western oregon insist in having eastern oregon under its control anyway? Nothing would change for western oregonians at all, you guys just want *control*
Mmmm
@@igorlopes7589 Are you aware that western Oregon subsidizes eastern Oregon so that pot bellied fat assed old men can do things like play dress-up and shoot cap pistols?
Said Putin.
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This is the Future. People need to move to be around people that agree with them. The ability for compromise seems to be gone.
Why blame young people if older people don't want to change their ways?
@@suzygirl1843 don't put words in my mouth I did not say anything about young people.
Forgot about compromise their is a growing attitude of going out people's way to be cruel towards people they don't agree with.
@Steve-cg8ek yes...people have lost or forgotten the behavioral trait of respect and being civil. Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe even if you disagree with them and you also do not have to accept others beliefs or values.
The great American nation was built on compromise, with all you flavourful people it was once your strength, now you have lost that and in my humble opinion will be your downfall, all great empires collapse form within
This is extremely accurate reporting. As someone that lives in Oregon, it's spot on, the unfortunate part is the conservative portion of the state feels this way mostly because they like to hone in on hot button issues and what they feel is a specific culture. They don't want to see gays, they don't want to see people with multicolor hair. They don't like electric cars, they just don't want that stuff around. So even if you came to some kind of agreed conclusion on things like firearm rights, taxation, things like that, there is still such an utter dislike for left-leaning culture, they are constantly going to feel that there is a war to be fought. America has very little news, what we have are marketing networks. If someone tunes into left or right leaning propaganda networks they are told on a daily basis that the other side is the reason for their suffering and the entire problem in this country. That division, I believe, is done to control the vote and keep people radicalized and reliable
The left has some great stuff they can be proud of, mostly civil rights. Where I think they struggle is owning their failures. Defund the police was dumb. Big, liberal cities are not beacons of hope, they're sort of miserable, especially in certain areas. I was a teacher and a lot of kids are extremely anxious and depressed in California. When you see kids in the country, they're happy and active and respectful. I know that's anecdotal but it feels pervasive. For me, I'd be more attracted to the left if they acknowledged that instead of acting like this is all inevitable and "progressive." But I'm probably just an ignorant hick.
Its not just hot button issues. There afraid for there lively hood stuff like a requirement for electric lawn mowers seems like a great idea for someone with a house in the city, but is a major problem for someone who has a Large area in the country.
@@LiberRaider The right can be gaddam evil sometimes, but the left is a complete mess of lunatics who advocate unsustainable nonsense as "Progressive".
I would really want to see the segregation across ideological lines, so we an see how things pan out when states are run differently. I am very sure the Left would create societies and cities that would turn to a total decadent, broke and unsafe mess (like Portland, Stockholm etc.), and some would soon be trying to move into the territories controlled by the right.
Only problem is that, when they do move into these territories they would again advocate their silly policies because the Left never like to take accountability after their failures, it is always "because their policies were not implemented right".
The Left has produced kids without discipline, respect for elders/authorities, good mental health and resilience, but they will NEVER take accountability for the mess their ideas eventually create. Yet, they keep on trying to impose these failure-bound mentality & ideas on others just to feel good and "Progressive".
@gen-X-trader
>an utter dislike for left-leaning culture
I mean, isn't that reason enough? That's good enough reason for a divorce in a marriage. They no longer feel like they can work together to a mutually satisfiable future together, and would like to try with someone else. I'm about as far from conservative as you can get, but I do support them if that's what they want to do.
There is a legitimate concern about 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner here. While, many progressives like to decry the electoral college, it does aim to strike a balance. Democracy ain't just first-past-the-post or majority rule.
The problem is that people don't talk with eachother.
What if that ultraconservative father will have a gay son. His whole world will collapse.
And what if the LMBTQ community would respect this old-school view of life which those old people don't want to change. (Which is inevitable though, so on the long run those conservatives will sufffer.)
for the person commenting on "they want to take away our agriculture." You can blame corporate America and the food industry for that. Yes, the food industry that financially supports your conservative politicians in D.C. that are more focused on their media appearances than their constituents.
No - there was a bill in Oregon that would’ve made it illegal to slaughter any cattle under 5 years old. Literally just trying to cripple an industry they don’t like but makes up a good portion of economics and culture east of the cascades
@@willieclark2256 ok but think about this. How many average liberal voter actually created that bill? Now how many large corpos who can afford to raise the cows to five did. Now as these farmers start to lose too much money these corpos buy up the farms.
It’s a genuine concern and you can actually convince liberals to oppose it. But you need to leave the left right dichotomy to even process this stuff.
@@0jacon0ice0 That would be about as hard as teaching you proper grammar and spelling.
@willieclark2256
There are thousands of bills introduced, but most of them never get voted upon or passed. That particular bill may only have the support of the legislator who introduced it. The rest of the Legislature may ignore it. There is no reason to be concerned or panic. The legislation never became law.
The corporations love when people misdirect the blame away from them - the people who blame liberals for the actions of corporations might as well consider themselves accomplices.
As a native 3rd gen Oregonian tom McCall had it right! Now after 64 yrs I moved outta oregon because if you vote western oregon always has majority. Never thought id move from home state but it's Not the oregon my family was raised in. Was a nice place to visit but they didn't listen to Tom and stayed.
I’m pretty liberal, pretty tolerant, I’ve been to some weird places in london but those guys dressed as cowboys hip-thrusting is probably the most LGBT thing I’ve ever seen.
Can't be that liberal if you're making homophobic jokes...
@@jameswalters3571 A phobia is an irrational fear. Jonpoo is not suffering from an irrational fear so he is not homophobic, just having a snigger at something that DOES look a bit gay even though it is not. They are having fun with their guns and providing the rest of us with entertainment. As Mr Bennet said in "Pride and Prejudice", "'For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?".
@@jameswalters3571he's a troll
@@jameswalters3571 Seems like it touched a nerve with you, though.
cosplaying is a big part of being a Trumptard
I’ve been in both cultures and I can confidently say that the side most afraid of being controlled and feel not listened to is most controlling and least likely to listen
Makes sense, I suppose, but what's your point? Expect either side to stop? No. There is no end to war and hatred.
Nah. Disagree with that one completely. Fauci and Branden took care of that for me. I'll never vote left again and never trust the left again for anything. Control is what the left wants. Why do you think they pushed the GD juice on everyone and closed everything up? Why do you think they are hysterical about Climate change and Trans this or that. All meant to be the tyranny of the minority.
Even if this analysis is correct it is irrelevant if these counties want to change states there is a process to do that and they have every right to.
Can somebody explain to me how a country of more than 300 million people can be easily broken down into just two major political parties??? Humans are a lot more complex than just “Conservative” & “Liberal”
because people follow leaders not with logical reasoning, but rather with ignorant blindness. Its a joke
Who are you people. Are you two evem Americans? 😂 Im starting to realize a lot of foreigners try to get involve in our politics when they, themselves, have nothing to do with us. It's either Eruo Trash or Gukes
It's called divide and conquer....
parties represent the people on them who have shared views on a few issues. over time parties tend to band together with relatively similar parties to form political coalitions, seeking an electoral majority but also broadening the scope of their policy positions. the other parties will naturally follow suit so you end up with two large political coalitions trying to add as many special interest groups to their roster so they don't get outdone by the other. this naturally results in them embodying the opposite of pretty much everything the other stands for on every issue, while constantly trying to avoid losing any of the pieces of their coalition by being seen to fail them on some issue.
It’s manufactured hatred.
But do they really need to join Idaho? They can’t just make a new state (“Lincoln”) with eastern Washington?
Jefferson needs to be its own state as well.
If these people spent more time actually engaging with their communities and less time watching TV and scrolling misinformation they’d realise that most of their concerns are imaginary.
Yep - just straight up talking utter bullshit
@Jonpoo1 ..This is ''middle America'' for ya...many are easly misled, miseducated and brainwashed with xenophobia and hatred.
They want 'freedom' but don't want to do any thinking for themselves. These people are just stupid and I genuinely have no time for them.
Exactly millions of conservatives think Trans people are attacking people in bathrooms, which has happened a total of 1 time. And think that this imaginary problem is worth reducing people's rights.
LGBTQ RSTUVWXYZ is being pushed down our throats! Enough already! Look at Eurovision…..not 1 normal person….FREAK SHOW
I am a libertarian . I can see both sides but this comment section is very biased towards democrats. I will agree republicans need to improve on LGBT rights . I fully support equal rights and I think that’s the worst thing the republicans are at. However democrats are absolutely terrible on gun rights and drugs in Portland . Their legalization of all drugs in Portland destroyed the city and caused record drug addiction . They are also terrible on gun rights . If Portland wants to have strict gun control go ahead but you shouldn’t be pushing it on rural communities that are overwhelmingly against it . The people from Portland look down on people in those small towns as evil hunters and gun rights extremists. They don’t understand their culture at all . They talk about how the rural communities judge the cities and while many do the left leaning city is just as judgmental towards the small towns. One of the easiest ways to stop the popularity of this secession movement is to reach a compromise on guns . Stop pushing gun control on them but many democrats are too ignorant to see that.
Lol. Libertarian is just a scape goat republican. A libertarian is just a Republican until the Republican ruler does something dumb, then the libertarian say, that's not me, I'm right but not crazy.
@@johnnygoodman2003 are you stupid ? I just said I support LGBT rights and am for equal marriage . I argue with Republicans all the time on it and foreign intervention . Libertarians are for closing down us military bases in other countries and cutting the military industrial complex which republicans and democrats love. I don’t support censoring anyone for protesting for Palestine or Israel either . How is that a scape goat for republicans ?
@@theprofessional155 libertarians are dummies who read Atlas Shrugged and took it seriously. Ayn Rand was a psycho
You label yourself a libertarian yet you write that legalizing drugs destroyed Portland. Shouldn't an actual libertarian want drugs to be legal, to put the responsibility for safe use on individuals? If you were a libertarian then, just as you want no gun restrictions (trusting individuals to make the right choices), you should also want no drug restrictions. I suspect you are a "libertarian" only so far as it suits your tastes. Any response?
@@danielcrawford4134 Yes. I support decriminalization of drug possession but that doesn't mean I don't want drug dealers arrested. I would support a system like Portugal when it comes to drug issues. Portland claimed to want to copy it but in Portugal those drugs are still illegal they just don't arrest you for it. Instead they force you to go to rehab and fund their clinics. Portland did not fund its clinics as well and officers gave addicts a paper and told them to call the drug help hotline. It was a giant failure and now politicians are criminalizing it again. Also I very much consider myself a libertarian but that doesn't mean I have to agree with 100% of the party. I am assuming you are a democrat but if you disagree with one mainstream view of the party are you not a democrat? Now that I have answered your question. I would like an answer to my question. Why should people in East Oregon be subject to the same gun restrictions as in Portland when the vast majority of people out there do not support those policies?
Wonder how many times these people have actually experienced someone telling them "you can't do ... " and how much is down to what they are just told is happening on TV
It goes deeper than that... it all boils down to their mothers brainwashing them to believe in the boogeyman even though such a creature isn't real. 🙄
Aye
Indeed. I have noticed many people on both sides of the political aisle confuse pushback with persecution. “I disagree” should not be viewed as the same as “I hate you and you are a terrible person.”
Yes the complete fabricated bullshit from Fox News and company is just tapping into people’s frustrations and general anger about the system and contradictions of capitalism. It’s a smoke and mirrors tactic to prevent people from coming together in solidarity. They’re constantly told the lgbtq community wants to turn all kids gay and trans, teachers are teaching gender theory in k-6, and if we add a few caravans from South America to come in then the entire system will collapse. It’s completely sensationalized or just pure bullshit.
90% of Oregoneons live in the big towns and Portland. It is their taxes which disproportionally pay for for infrastructure in low density Eastern Oregon. No one is trying to force them to raise trans kids, drive electric cars, or stop being law abiding/responsible gun owners. Much of this resentment is based on imaginary fear of discrimination, yet they seem happy to discriminate against those they disagree with, as they wish to join a state which is happy to legislate against personal freedoms.
This seems like a really shoddy economic argument. Economic activity being concentrated in dense urban areas, OK. But precisely what types of economic activity are concentrated in those areas? And what types are concentrated in the rural ones that want to leave? Would the level of infrastructure investment change if the conservative counties switched to a bordering state's administration? One where there's a better appreciation for traditional industries and a lot more votes for targeted fiscal support? Furthermore, should rural Oregon residents be more grateful for other taxpayers' support if they experience geographic disparities regardless?
@@jameswalters3571 Why do you assume there IS any meaningful economic activity in eastern OR? The publicly available numbers indicate otherwise.
@@kenhbeach Cities don't grow food. And in places like Colorado and Oregon I see videos where the liberals overreach in telling farmers what they should do (and mostly what they shouldn't do) to stop using fossil fuels. Farmers don't try to tell you how to do your job, don't tell them how to do theirs. Watch Clarkson's Farm. Its great.
There is a whole media structure-Fox/OAN etc etc-dedicated to keeping the outrageometer at 11,plenty of money to be made stoking that fire...see also religious grifters fleecing their flock with scary tales of how 5 yr old grandchilden are being forced to become gay or trans..
you apparently aren't paying attention
If we do this for Oregon can we do it for Texas too? Since the Blue cities are constantly outvoted? I mean if we’re being fair here!
Absolutely. Borders are like marriages. When they don't work for the people in them, they should be dissolved, and the messiest part is divvying up the common assets.
What state would Central Texas join?
Yes, please leave.
I see Panorda box might be open if this happens. Who next, illinois leaving Chicago or southwestern Virginia & western Maryland joining west Virginia. Update new york become its own state.
@malachyramirez7677 nah merge all the states and then divide them in 2 all democrat voting counties in 1 and all republican voting in the other sure the new. Borders will look like a tumour but no more problems then /s
I don't see why there would be a problem here. It's a free country. The people want to be properly represented. Urban Oregon simply outnumbers rural Oregon, and they can force their ideals on Rural Oregon. The tyranny of a majority.
The can MOVE TO IDAHO. What they don't get to do is STEAL 2/3 of Oregon. How simple minded are you?
This happens all the time - things aren't going the way someone wants and they start whining that democracy doesn't work.
Democracy doesn't mean getting your way all the time. Sheez.
Actually it is lol
No it means you suffer the consequences of what you choose if you’re not careful.
Its majority rule
Democracy is to wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner
Nor is democracy ‘the tyranny of the majority’
3:25 He moved out of Portland because he found it "too liberal". But he couldn't be bothered to move a bit *further* east and actually live in Idaho? It's not as if Idaho was lacking in land he couldn't bought.
@RedXlV Actually 2/3 of Idaho is federal land and not for sale. We would welcome conservative reenforcements especially in Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley and Boise.
Funny how they don't want to actually move to another state with all their complaints
@@danielzhang1916it’s ironic, they would be the first to say “if you don’t like it then perhaps you should move”
Omfg another dumb comment. It's not one guy. It a majority of people in those counties want to become a part of Idaho.
@@Joe-i1x2g Then they can move to Idaho. They don't get to rewrite the state maps just because they want to.
Good for these people in Oregon. People in rural areas should be able to divorce and disassociate from the increasing extremism coming out of the cities. They represent no one but themselves.
The sad thing about these secessionist movements…many of these secessionists really are fundamentally ignorant about how dependent they are on the group they want to split from. Pretty much every rural area in the country is heavily subsidized from infrastructure, schools, health care, farm insurance and subsidies, and law enforcement the federal or state governments…which take the vast majority of their revenue from the urban areas.
As someone in a rural area that is utter bs.
The city's take the money from taxes in the rural areas to prop up failing city's.
It is well known by people in the country side that money they are taxed gets mainly sent to the city's.
Been like that from time and memoriam.
Also...why not let them have that?
If they succeed they succeed if they fail they fail.
Sounds quite sense able.
Unless you believe in the too big to fail mindset.
@@ChronaDecroxyeah, because their opinion on what happens to their tax money and how their finances are run is soooo believable and well informed /s. They totally pay attention to politics and their taxes beyond just the amount they have to pay. That’s like asking a man who beats his wife weather she deserves it or not. Or asking a salesperson if his product is the best there is. Or asking a student if they deserve their grade. Completely unreliable
@@ChronaDecroxWait until your hospitals start closing because the urban tax base is gone.
@@yucol5661 that's quite elites of you.
Look at the inverse.
The city's would have more money to spend on their own things.
How many city's have crime or homeless problems.
Why not let it happen so we can learn what works.
From what I know of history most city's depend on the country side.
@@ChronaDecrox What is your source on this? Every single article on the matter from local news in Oregon mentions how the city of Portland subsidizes these counties. 90% of the countries GDP comes from Major Metropolitan areas (cities and the suburbs that directly surround them).
I think you are just conflating your feelings with what is true. Facts say otherwise. It is usually cities that always subsidized rural areas throughout history. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought power and water to large swaths of areas in the Southeast at a great cost of billions of dollars. The TVA's budget was greater than the GDP of the areas that it was built in for example.
"We're all for Democracy, we LOVE Freedom and Democracy! But you can't "force" people who want polar opposite things together, it's not a healthy way to run a society!" - Oh, got it! So what you're saying is that you only love Democracy when YOU win all the votes, right? That's not "Democracy" it's totalitarianism, real Democracy means that even if you think the people who won a vote are dumb as a box of rocks you still abide by it; it's healthy because it forces people to live with one another under rules decided by THE MAJORITY. Stomping your feet and trying to gain independence so you will get things your way is *not* democratic and these people are nothing short of animals.
And yes, I'm fully well aware the person at the start said " Democracy doesn't work.", but up to this point this entire movement has been pro-Democracy. You're not "free" without some form of Democracy, at best you're simply not a slave, and you most certainly won't have more of a voice.
Well put. I know a few boxes of rocks myself 😂
The US is not a democracy. It's a country where republicans are favored in the electoral college system. A real democracy has the popular vote. They gerrymander lines so they win in certain area's and then say the democrats commit election fraud without proof. Now they even try with this move to get more electoral votes. They should be put in prison.
Both the USA and the state of Oregon are Republics not Democracies. Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.
@@aleph8888 Oh, look, one of those people who doesn't understand that a Republic is simply a system in which the people CHOOSE (in any way they see fit) their rulers. And in turn their rulers exercise supreme power for the people.
Fun fact; you can also be a Democracy, you see if you VOTE for rulers and laws you're still also a Republic. It's almost like the Constitution is set up to be a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC not just a Republic.
Honestly, you people have no reading comprehension and will buy into anything.
Self-determinism is democracy. There's nothing wrong with a separatist state wanting it's own country - Palestine being one of them. Scotland got a crack at a vote and elected a nationalist separate party. So why not a US State too?
"Fight for what you believe in.". But sit down and shut up when WE speak. Authoritarianism coming soon.
“Fight for what you believe in, but shut up and do what you’re told” - This idiot calling them fascists
Good. I hope trump is a fascist leader
@@John__XCTDS at its finest
Reminiscing about the traditional gas stations of yesteryears reminds one of a bygone era characterized by amiable attendants, comprehensive service, and a palpable sense of community. The transition from full-service to self-service has not only elicited feelings of nostalgia but has also brought about a discernible societal shift. This evolution has, regrettably, led to a diminution in interpersonal connections and a loss of communal sentiment. Nostalgia, while evoking fond recollections, tends to gloss over the less favorable aspects of the past.
If they dont like Oregon why not just go live in Idaho - its right there - nobody is stopping them . Its not liberals' fault that these right wingers want to live in 1873
Americans know only for another state, not coyuntry. American are not able to see that in fact no difference among states.
@@acamiln8354 Strongly disagree, my dear China-bot. This is more about rural and suburban versus urban than anything.
Spoken like a true leftist ☝🏽
We all know that if they were the ones with the power than is exactly what they'd be saying to the city-folk.
@@20quid and have said in the past. In the 60's and 70's during the Vietnam era and the protests that went along with it, they said "America, love it or leave it!" millions of times
The conservatives should just leave and go to another state if they don't like it.
It is basically your century old urban vs rural divide, what has changed is that whereas 30 years ago the population was still more evenly split between rural and urban as was the economics, this has now reversed. Anywhere in the world, it is the cities which drive wealth creation be it London, Paris, Mumbai, Tokyo, San Fran, Austin etc it is not driven my the rural economy. This has caused angst amongst rural voters who have seen their towns depleted of people and hence services.
In the US towns are basically democratic voter bases vs rural is republican. The same applies by states, all the high GDP per capital states in the USA are basically democrat, the poorer states are republican. If the USA adapted a “2 state solution” and the fiscal transfers from democratic states to republican states would stop, many red state would be in a heap of trouble. The GDP per capita of the democrat part of the USA would rise and be higher than that of the republican states.
So even if you look at Oregon where is the wealth, tax base etc? , it is along the coast, esp Portland. Personally not a great fan of the place but that is where the money is made, like it or not. The eastern part is a fiscal drag on the western part. Many voters don’t want to believe this or refuse to believe it. Why would Idaho tax payers take on the eastern part of Oregon which they would then have to subsidize to keep afloat? As to starting your own state it would be a vote for poverty, a bit like Brexit. Feels good emotionally, logically a case of shooting yourself in the foot.
So they want to keep things like the old days like drawn out by predecessors but then want to ignore what the predecessors laid out on the map.
Yeah but when those maps were drawn there were no liberal cities. If our predecessors could see the non binary liberals now they would understand the new borders 😂
When their predecessors drew out the map, LGBTQ did not exist.
....guess which half of the state subsidizes the other.....
Facts are never important when emotions are involved!
.... So if the urban half subsidizes the rural half, doesn't it make sense for the urban half to get rid of the counties that drain their resources?
@boharcrump6312
So you advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater... an example if conservative family values.
It's tyrany that the fewer than 300,000 in Eastern Oregon want to rule the 4,000,000 in Western Oregon. In a democracy you count the votes and majority rules.
yeah and guess which half feeds and provides raw materials to the other side? If they seperated and were to never communicate again, the big cities would starve and erupt into chaos, the rural areas would just survive with a slight lower standard of living.
And guess which half is slowly crumbling apart.
The solution to this issue has been in front of us the whole time - limited government. That way one side isn’t forced to live the way the other wants. Our founders knew this and set us up to have this but we became complacent and ignored their warnings and strayed from this model.
Guys if you don’t like your state, then move. Our ancestors literally crossed an ocean so don’t give me complaints about it being too hard.
Cities in all states do their things. Rural folks & small towns do theirs. That’s it.
One group shouldn’t force their beliefs on the other and vice Versa. Respect others and live and let live. Simple as that.
That IS solid advice, but unfortunately, it really isn't just as simple as that.
Urban areas tend to control everything in state governments.
Urban dwellers make laws that effect people living in rural areas, but not the other way around.
@@StillLivinginthewoods that's how democracy works - if you don't like the laws then move. The next state you move to won't be "perfect" either
@@sterlingmarshel6299 This isn't a democracy, my man.
The United States Constitution is the law of THIS land, not the fickle whims of the unwashed masses... AKA: democracy.
And for the record, I already live in one of the best states in the nation, and have no intention of leaving.
Why can't people just mind their own business and let people alone?
Whose business is it? Lax gun laws have a terrible effect on everyone, not just gun owners. People who insist on having massive diesel cars are damaging the world for everyone, not just themselves.
Business is not whole life. Americnas maybe learn it sometimes.
That’s is exactly the wrong thing to do. The issue is we aren’t talking to each other. We need to hold Q &A’s for both sides to come to understandings and compromise so we can find a solution
I have heard about the people of eastern Oregon who feel captive to the liberal majority of western Oregon.
Oregon is not unique! I have noticed a pattern in American politics: The higher the population density of a town, the more liberal and blue it is. These towns end up making the majority of a state's population or the largest chunk of a state's population(33% to 50%). The red, conservative towns become captive to the liberal, blue towns. 1) This has happened in Illinois. Central and southern Illinois are captive to Chicago and much of northern Illinois. 2) Red upstate New York is captive to the New York City area. 3) Pennsyltucky is captive to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. 4) Most of Maryland is captive to Montgomery County, Prince George's County, the City of Baltimore, and northern Charles County. 5) Most of Virginia is captive to Northern Virginia, Richmond, and Norfolk. Governor Youngkin worked extremely hard to win the captive areas and won big in those areas. He was able to eke out a victory, so there is hope(I have lived in Virginia since 1965.). I call these situations the "Oregon Syndrome" or the "Illinois Syndrome".
I'm sure democrats in Texas and other red states feel captive too
Here’s an idea: Why not have gun control in the cities and no gun control in the rural counties? The vast majority of rural conservatives haven't been near a city for generations, so what's the problem?
Ur still taking away the rights of conservatives in cities.
I'm a rural American that lives an hour from Rochester and Buffalo we have to go to Rochester sometimes for important things
you dullards never run out of dopey and unconstitutional ideas
@@equinox2655 You say your rights are important but you're a complete hypocrite. You think you have the right to force women to have rapists babies. You hate freedom
Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Chille and others are democracies, WE are a Republic-there is a HUGE difference so learn it and QUIT CALLING US A DEMOCRACY!!!!!
The USA is a Constitutional Republic
Not so Ivan, the USA is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a Representative DEMOCRACY. Now go tell that to the other trolls in your Moscow troll farm
If they are concerned about their kids being taught to be gay, then how did the ones who were NOT taught to be gay turn out to be gay if no one taught them...that's how gay works doesn't it?
If you want to farm like they did in the old days, then go ahead and plough your fields with an Ox and pick everything by hand....you know, like they did hundreds of years ago (except this time, without the slaves)
They're just worried they might be secretly gay...
@@notestine0221
No, they're just tired of the pedophile supporters destroying children's minds and lives via the public schools.
Nowhere in the video did they say that. You made it up.
@@paradisehub9382I believe he was exaggerating for effect-some people are credulous enough to believe anything especially if it reinforces their own predjudice,that can be true of either side of the political divide to be sure.
Why don’t they sell their land in Oregon and buy land in Idaho? Not like they’re going to stop paying property tax 😅
because...you like your hometown?
@@Game_Hero nuh feeling bonded to your hometown is a crazy right-wing extremist idea.
Sell to who?
@@Game_Herowell they seem to hate their hometown, having to live under such horrible imposed restrictions...
@@murraymadness4674 you hardly have any control over the evolution of the course of nature and economy.
ABORTION IS NOT HEALTHCARE.
It 100% is
I was born in Eastern Oregon. I want to retire there, but refuse to as long as the state is in a choke hold by the demonrats. If the Greater Idaho movement succeeds then I will again consider retiring in GREATER IDAHO.
PRINEVILLE has always ben a den of hippies, squatters, drugs, thieves and trashy living. We lived in Redmond and delivered fuel there. It was disgusting what the "hippies" did to that quiet city. All those that could, moved out of there. Property values are terrible in Prineville due to the abhorrent population norms now there.
These are some of the poorest and most unemployed counties in Oregon... Not sure Idaho wants Oregon's trailer trash.
Tell you what tough guy, why don't you show up at an event like that Cowboy Shoot and say that same thing to their faces?
Come on you loudmouth monsoon, put on your big boy pants and belly up to the bar!
Not to mention The Reservations with certain Federal protections...
The true face of “ tolerance “ here
Most people in Idaho would probably prefer them over Portland
These areas have the same average income as Idaho and a 99-page economic study found that they would be a net benefit to Idaho
Of course it works. You have the freedom to pick up and move wherever you want.
Freedom is based on income.
or democratically decides in what state you want your county to be in, or silence their humanity and concerns by telling them to go away I guess.
@@Game_HeroCounties don’t get to vote what state they’re in LOL 🤣🤣🤣People live in the state they live in. If they don’t like it they can move. It’s called personal accountability.
@@MM-xc2bt yeah but you are free to pursue a higher paycheck. Chinese nationals are wealthier than ever but still need government approval to travel abroad.
@thomasmcroy1756 no you are not! To get higher paying job you have to have the $$ and time to go to college or trade school. And in a pos country that makes food, roof over head and health care luxuries. You have to work multiple jobs and still have to steal to eat with no time or $$ for further education.
I’m sure these are the same people who oppose statehood for Puerto Rico and DC
DC was never ment to be a state. Puerto Rico has voted against statehood.
@@tylerkriesel8590 The head of government was never meant to be part of a state is what you mean.
The current plan would be to keep congress, White House, etc as the District of Columbia, and have the surrounding city become a state.
As for Puerto Rico, I’m pretty sure they’ve voted for statehood twice now, so I don’t know what you are talking about
@@tylerkriesel8590 Puerto Rico voted for statehood in 2020
portland is a dump
Idaho is beautiful, move there
@@nikhilnewse3318there are more republicans in the Portland area than republicans in the entire state of Idaho. You do this silencing of conservative voices to yourself with your electoral college
*The eastern Oregonians seek to reduce the number of Electoral College electors that blue-state Oregon has, and increase the number of Electoral College electors that red state Idaho has, to thereby increase the chance that Republicans win the presidency.* These people must be resisted.
Or, they actually want to have representation on government which fptp denies them. Pretty reasonable. You’d probably all be much happier with some decentralisation. Anything to circumvent the American cold civil war.
god forbid normal americans voices are heard and not drowned out by the communist hive mind that occupies Portland
Arguably any secession or split of any state would result in this. If a large conservative state like Texas split up some its current electoral votes would go to the new liberal smaller states as well.
???? They just want to have their votes counted. Eastern Oregon is already Red, they would just be inside a State that actually votes with them
That’s why the Electoral College must go away.
At 4:20 he literally describes democracy/party politics and then says that isn’t a way to run a society 😂
Compromise is apparently anti-democratic?
You could argue the right has compromised far more than the left in the last 100 years. The left doesn't see it as compromise, they see it as progress. They will riot and burn things down when they feel out of options. The right tends to get political, organize and vote or move away and isolate. Neither is a great strategy for compromise and democratic strength. We're in a pickle.
Neither Salem nor Olympia offer compromise; they tell the rural citizenry to shut their mouths, lower their heads, and pay the taxation levels that are theft rate and be happy about it.
The Woke fanaticism that controls both Washington State and Oregon State politics allows for no compromise. This is the reality for rural citizens on the east side of the Cascade Range of the two States.
I was born and raised in Western Washington State, and finished high school in Wyoming, and have family in Western Oregon, so I know all about the specifics of what's going on politically, culturally, and economically in both of those states.
Sadly, both Olympia and Salem are too stupid, too arrogant, and too narcissistic, to understand just how dangerous a situation now exists in both States.
Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA
Who exactly did you mean when you said Olympia and Salem? Are you referring to the ordinary voters or the politicians?
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tslike they know who they are angry at. The same “woke” politicians they hate just unleashed cops and “counter protesters” on college kids sitting in the quad. There is no “woke left” politically in America. There is a center right party and a far right party. There is no “”woke left” politically speaking in the US. Biden just tried to ram through a 100% GOP immigration bill and has still yet tot act on abortion. That’s not how a “woke left” party responds to election wins, by giving in. Heck the GOO loses electorally and they still win policy wise.
The electoral college is undemocratic. This is just another attempt to get more electoral votes for republicans.
It Called "Living in a Democracy", where the most votes win, at least in theory (Gerrymandering😡). While these people in the rural east may not like it, the basic facts are that the urban areas are simply outvoting them, containing ~two-thirds of the State's population. Besides, it's not like the Eastern Oregonians are the only group in this quandary of being "trapped" in a State where the majority rule is antithetical to their own personal politics. I'm certain all those Democratic Voters living in Liberal Islands like Austin, TX loved have their Rights & Options for Reproductive Healthcare curtailed or eliminated by the Conservative Majority, just as an example.
People can move. Farms and towns cannot.
Funny you mentioned Austin. They passed an ordinance to require extra breaks for people working outside when the temperature was over a certain temperature and the state legislature passed a law blocking such ordinances just to own liberal Austin.
Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes .
Don’t forget that .
Also these people are most heavily armed .
They can easily capture the country by force .
@@bobfaam5215whatever makes you sleep at night kid.
You do realize what you are supporting is the legal definition of gerrymandering?
Eastern Oregon is like less than 10% of Oregon's population and thry want to take half the states land? Also they're overwhelmingly subsidized by the western part of the state. If Idaho did take eastern Oregon it would be a huge financial burden.
Not just 1/2. they want to steal 2/3 of Oregon
So it belongs to you?
@@adamheuer8502 Lol no, collectively it belongs to the State of Oregon. Imagine if a blue city in a red state said we don't like the politics here so we're gonna take half the states land and make our own state or join a blue state.
@@TrampMachine I really don’t see why they would have a problem with that? The issue is that in the 70’s California started this trend of using state powers to override local government and create this division. Laws should only be applied at the smallest level logistically possible. For example it should be up to local government to decide what schools should teach not the 51% of people who live in a capitol 300 miles away
@@nexussays So you don’t have an actual response your just going to say that the idea is stupid and refuse to elaborate, is that right?
Yeah a country is not a cowboy larp event people.
I wonder if these mutants cry for the horse and buggy operators that had to shut down...
Mmm
The Western side of the state really does not want to give up its slaves.
Lol you sound so pampered and entitled thinking you're a slave because your in a political minority. What a pathetic victim mindset.
@@TrampMachine but he's not wrong, when the majority of the counties vote one way and their voice amounts to nothing, it's like dutifully working for the ruling class who are in this case a bunch of twisted freaks!
Why every 10 hillbillys get 2 senators & every 1000 city folk has to share thare 2 senators
@@Mr.Softy2457 you're exactly right, they are very well represented
After 27 years in Oregon I left. I moved to Montana because Western Oregon went " Little California " a long time ago.
Thank you for making Oregon better
How brave of you
I hope not. My government is a republic.
I believe the real issue in America it lacks real Democracy. A reform so have more then two parties that serve the rich would make a difference and allow small voices to be heard. People love say how different left and right are but in reality most people generally in the middle.
So then can I assume that you would be in favor of doing away with the Electoral College? Having a simple majority vote determine the winners of political elections, would be much closer to a direct democracy than having the Electoral College as the deciding factor. Are you in favor of that or would you rather just go for whatever suits your own personal agenda the best?
@PendeltonWhiskey a better system would be MMP but I think any system where people's voices matter more is only a good thing. Not a personal thing as I don't live in America
If both States legislated to accept the will of counties wanting to change State, it would (eventually) have to go to Congress and the Senate for ratification and I guarantee, it will sit in Congress for Years!!
don't like Oregon, well we don't like you, your free to move to Idaho leave the states boarders you're not welcome to them, don't let the door hit you on your way fun fact Oregon's original boarder included Oregon, Washington, Idaho and the nose of Montana maybe we should get that boarder back
Please get your boosters. CDC recommends them.
@@LilyGazou been there done that, I'm not afraid of vaccines, little one I'm a baby boomer, we were regularly lined up in the school cafeteria in second and third grade, for a vaccine here a shot there I have been regularly getting a flu vaccine since the 80s when you had to have a doctor's permission, lined up with the geezers to get one, now I'm the geezer. why because my dear wife was one of the few allergic to them not the eggs but the preservatives that's what love will do to you, and also the big one if I got the flu, it usually turned into pneumonia vaccines bring them on I'll take two
@@LilyGazou ❄️ conservative triggered
No one wants to get rid of agriculture
But clinate change will, if we dont do anything.
No but the actions that people who are not informed have harm such communities and effectively do this. This is occurring in Europe and there have been mass protests as a result.
this video is kind of garbage, the eastern oregoners don't care that much about LGBT issues and weed, their primary concerns are rising crime, gun rights, land rights, farming and overall protecting their ways of life.
I bet there's a lot of LEAD in those wells.
We're a Republic not a Democracy there is a difference.
As a great fan of Westerns since about the age of 7, I always instinctively sided with the Indians. That instinct was correct.
Medal?
@@Cedawood Medal? It’s just an opinion, love. You might need to source some better coping strategies as your current ones clearly aren’t working.👍
Your instinct was unreliable. The Red Indians were at that time a Stone Age people, and they were quite savage and warlike.
Would you care to provide an expanded understanding for the context of your statement?
I live in Wyoming and have Arapahoe friends, Ogallala Sioux friends, Crow, as well as Alaskan Inuit family, and a variety of Washington State local peoples, having gone to school with many members of the peoples cited.
I'm 1/16 Cherokee, raised by 1/4 Cherokee Gramm, and a Half Blood Chocktaw Grandfather.
My point is that for me, American Indians are not esoteric, or theoretical concepts: they are real people, with real cultures I have experienced and understand, as well as the whole concept of what it means to live on the Rez (Reservation).
Prior to my grandfolks taking me in, I lived in public housing in a poor, across the tracks, section of a town in Western Washington, a stone's throw from the Tulalip Reservation, which is a stone's throw from the Quileute area, and later lived and traveled in the Nooksack lands (great hobby gold prospecting area), in the Nooksack Valley just South of Bellingham WA.
While I finished high school out of Wyoming, I grew up in the Puget Sound area, so I know exactly what channel 4 video on this issue actually means to the people who live there, because the very same debate that is going on in Oregon is happening in Washington State at this very moment.
The bottom line is that the rural people in the Eastern sides of both Washington State and Oregon State are being oppressed and downtrodden by the higher population progressive Woke fanatics on the western side of the Cascade Range: that pro-abortion older woman kept lying through her teeth about working through the system; the Woke fanatics in Salem and in Olympia do not listen to the people on the east sides of the Cascade Range: as the saying goes in the West they treat them like a bunch of 'Red-Headed Step Children'; beating the daylights out of them in taxation and oppressive laws, rules, and regulations, but denying them their rights.
They tell people on the East side of the Cascade Range to shut their mouths and accept everything that Salem and Olympia shovel down their throats.
This is why you have movements in both East Washington and East Oregon to separate from the West sides of their dictatorial overlords in Salem and Olympia.
This is the true reason why those movements exist.
Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA
@@herculeholmes504 Nah. My instinct was right. If I were asked tomorrow to ride out with the cowboys or the injuns, it’d be with the latter all the way into the sunset. 🐎 🌅
4:31 here’s a fucking genius idea, make the different laws in Oregon, apply to the different counties in Oregon. If people in Portland want liberal laws they can get liberal laws, if the east wants conservative laws they can get conservative laws
it must be sooooo nice to be so simple minded
@@PendeltonWhiskey I wouldn’t know, is it?
@@waspwrap1235 such a witty retort! lol
This is happening allover the west, the right vs left divide is getting bigger
Conservitves dobt just quit your state and join a new one start a brand new state split the states in half .
6:52 It's worrying that you're expecting your granddaughters will need abortions...
Why are you not concerned about what's going on in their lives if they would get to the stage of needing/wanting that?
you think you have the right to dictate to woman what happens to their own bodies. You are a disgrace
Women's Healthcare is more complex than that bro
@@rolfkrajewski4975 It absolutely is
@Rootle2 - So you want a society that forces a 10 year old girl who was impregnated by a rapist when she was 9, to give birth to the rapists baby
These are the same people who for years told us "if you don't like it here, you can leave".
Apparently they can dish it out but they can't stand being on "the other side".
look on the Brightside - Oregon is closing down small farming business. This is an example of abusive power.
Yeah, I thought liberals in Oregon were the snowflakes that needed safe spaces, according to many of these right leaning folks prior to this effort to join Idaho
@@clarkkent3335 does crying and whining ever get old for you?
@PendeltonWhiskey Thank you for supporting corporate facisism.
@eaglestryker1338 Okay? Good for you.
As you aren't advocating for Oregon to split in twain, I imagine my comment doesn't apply to you.
That 2020 "summer of love" was an absolute circus. Mayors running for their lives, courthouses under siege, absolute sh!tshow.
We wouldn't have riots and revolts if we didn't have injustices ignored by our political elites.
Would they be paying back the remainder of the state for the infrastructure they're taking?
Don't forget what could be the worlds largest Lithium deposit
You have things backwards. The country pays the bills.
@@stevengayler8447 Eastern Oregonians are takers. They pay far less in taxes than they receive in benefits from those horrible people in Western Oregon
Lets not act like the government even tries to build infrastructure in the country
No?
If they prefer Idaho, why don't they just move to Idaho?
because they want to establish a Christian Nationalist territory in the northwest. They've been trying to do it for decades
They'll take their land with them.
@@Red-Check-Mark Idaho doesn't want them. They already have their full quota of fat old men playing dress-up
Idaho doesn't want them. They already have their full quota of fat old men playing dress-up
Californians fled their state and drove up property prices in Idaho.
In some cases people have been on their ranch or farm for many generations in Oregon.
If we were Libertarian everyone could just live the way they want instead of forcing their utopias on everyone else
Yes....exactly!!!! Reality vs uptionan ideals
As a British person watching this from abroad, what confuses me is this: my understanding of Americans is that they believe in freedom, and people minding their own business. These cowboy types are in favour of freedom and people being able to decide themselves how to live and not having other people tell them what to do. So why do they care if other people want to have a gay marriage or smoke pot or whatever else they want to do in Portland? Why can’t they just mind their own business and live and let live? Like the guy who lived in Portland and then left because they were living lifestyles different from his own, couldn’t he just mind his own business?
It seems like the side which talks the most about freedom is the one which likes freedom the least
You got the state legislature & governor in Oregon passing progressive state laws which effect people in the east livelihood
@@malachyramirez7677 That's because a majority of Oregonians elected the Governor and Legislature. America is a Democratic Republic and that's how it works.
@@kenhbeachand they have the freedom of speech to complain.
@@Gryphind0r yes they do, but they don't have the right to steal 2/3 of Oregon
They fought your ancestors only to later want a monarchy again. It's the stuff that makes you a nihilist.
Ive got 11 states and 1 civil war to reference for this
I do not agree with them but West Virginia does exist.
Pretty gross comparing simple democratic change of one constituency for another and a full-on pointless war to keep holding people as property. Frankly, if I was african-american, I'd be offended by this being used so casually like this.
@@Game_Hero but you're not, so you can save yourself the faux outrage and move to a conservative or liberal state if you want to. Old timers in Oregon don't want to move to Idaho but complain all day long that there's an imaginary boot on their neck
America is not a democracy. Learn history.
What a DOLT! The United States of America is a Representative Democracy. Your problem is that you hate Democracy which means that you hate America. GET OUT!
The lady at 7:25 is clearly not paying any attention to the way Salem has been roughshod over the Eastern side of Oregon for a long time. We have no say as the Western side of the state has a supermajority of representatives in the state legislation and the Eastern side has about three people who are standing up for them. What this has produced is a situation where the roads and everything else has evolved into a shambles. It is also interesting to note that the majority of the truckers that come up from California turn onto highway 97 to avoid the issues and garbage that comes with driving up the Western side of the state. The only time that the roads are worked on in the Eastern side of the state is when we literally and actively try to get the border changed. In Klamath Falls there has been no work on any of the roads even though the Highway department clearly stated that they were in such bad shape that they would have to be closed. After we signed the petition to move the border the then State Election Commissioner (now Governor) changed the ballot to be a three-year study to move the border. The prior governor and now this governor also suddenly decided to fix a very dangerous intersection at HY 140 and HY66. They also somehow found some money to repave HY140 at Bly Mountain. Both of these places were well known to not just cause accidents, but also to kill people.
Pendelton is on the I84 corridor which is one of the two major highways, and the state of Oregon is forced to maintain those roads by the Federal Government. Highways 140, 66, 97, 138, 20, and 26 are state maintained and supervised roads and on the Eastern side they are in shambles. The exorbitant taxes we pay on the Eastern side of the mountains for road maintenance is directed to the Western side of the State and we usually only see about ten cents on the dollar (in a good year) to maintain the roads that the state should maintain.
This is just a small part of the disillusionment of the Eastern side of the state's grievances!
Conservatives: If you don’t like it, move.
Also conservatives: We don’t like it, but we’re not moving. We’re relocating a third of the state to Idaho with us.
Hypocrites
Um...they're taking their land with them. So, nice try, but you failed.
@@Red-Check-Mark:
Land can be sold. Or abandoned.
@TheTrueOnyxRose Land is also property that is owned by the county. And if said county votes to secede, it is their right to do so. Almost half of all counties want to secede from the west side of Oregon. That is a bad image for west Oregon. If half of your entire state wants to leave for some greener pastures, you're doing a terrible job at running the state. And who runs the legislative body of Oregon? Oh yeah. Democrats.
@@Red-Check-Mark:
All this shows is a small number of people throwing fits, wanting to get their way and willing to destroy a whole state over it. They know what they’re asking for is unreasonable, but who cares? They want what they want, and that’s all that they want. They don’t even have the guts to create their own state. Instead, they want another state to take care of them. It’s just easier for everyone involved to relocate rather than pressure another state to eat the cost of taking on more land.
Or have you forgot Idaho is a conservative state? They don’t want that financial burden.
@TheTrueOnyxRose they are the majority in their counties.
If you don't like the policies of the state in which you live, move to one that aligns with your views. That's the way the country was designed, and why you have the Constitutional right of freedom of movement.
Does that same advice apply to female health care? "just move to another state that practices abortion-on-demand"
I lived in NW Indiana in the early-to-mid 90s. Lake County has more in common with Illinois, esp Cook County, than most of the rest of Indiana, but there wasn't the whine of "We want to be Illinois, not Indiana." It seems that it's usually conservatives that want their way. I haven't read about the Atlanta secession movement, or the splitting of North Carolina because liberals are unhappy with the conservative control of the states
Democrats controlled Indiana in the 90s
Mmmm
My parents left IL in the 90s to come to NWI because it’s basically the same Chicagoland they’re used to but without failing public schools, high crime, and high tax burdens - the South Heights to Crown Point pipeline was massive in the 90s and like half of the people in South Lake County I knew had a background in IL, either born there or one generation removed. Hammond and Gary keep the Region blue but don’t be surprised if IN-01 swings red in our lifetime, it’s trending that way.
I think people always vote with their feet but maybe there’s a sense on the left of the eventuality of their goals and a sense on the right that it’s “now or never?” As a conservative myself I’d try to flatter my side by saying were bigger on devolving more autonomy to local levels, so the libs of Asheville or Atlanta don’t feel the pressure of their state laws quite as strict, but I know that’s not true…
Might be as simple as living in a purple area has its pluses, plenty of people hold their nose to live in a place that’s more affordable.
Hello?
I'd like to to inform you of CHAZ, Seattle, where by violence and complete intolerance of not anything extreme left, large groups of people ANNEXED several districts in the City, (even though a lot of them didn't live there) and declared complete independence from the United States.
It took armed force to restore those districts.
No more Oregon Health Plan if they move the border to Idaho.
and they get an immediate 40% pay cut. Oregon's minimum wage is exactly 40% higher. They also get to pay a sales tax and don't forget, the multiTRILLION dollar price tag for the land grab will send Idaho taxes soaring for generations. I guess this all makes perfect sense to a cap pistol shooting fatty
plus a nice 50% wage cut
Ok, no one minds 🤷🏿♂️
@PendeltonWhiskey so a 60% reduction in prices too?
@@MegrelMambaJust move already, less job competition for me 😂
There are a few states where small geographic pockets of population control the entire state. The nation as a whole is a Constitutional Republic, but the individual states work more like a pure democracy and those who preach freedom only believe in it when you agree with their twisted ideology. New York is a prime example, two thirds of the counties vote one way, but it's always an exercise in futility.
it's a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic. A DEMOCRACY. and I know you hate that fact
@@PendeltonWhiskey You making up new terms doesn't make it so. We are a Constitutional Republic or simply a Republic we have never been a democracy! "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
@@peterjohnson1734 You Clown Cult members are completely clueless
@@peterjohnson1734 The United States is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a representative DEMOCRACY. Are you just a Putin tool here in the United States or are you a Russian troll? Which is it?
@@PendeltonWhiskey No, it's simply a Constitutional Republic. Are you a basic nitwit or just a buggery addict? Which is it?
If they dont like it, they can leave oregon
They should leave from the state their ancestors lived in? LOL
@@kostas0352 following your logic, then we should all leave this continent so that native americans can live on the land their ancestors lived on? If you don’t like the laws of a state, you pack your stuff and leave to another state that abides by their cuntservative policies.
And maybe if you don’t like them moving the border the easterners could just leave Oregon (this can go in circles forever)
Well, there's no such thing as democracy or republics. Only Oligarchy and Monarchy concern human affairs.
Splitting up the states does not make gay people go away. I wonder if they know that.
they don't know anything about anything. all they know is what they FEEL and their feelings are far more important than anyone elses
Electroshock therapy does
@@MegrelMamba You first!
@@---Tre--- I'm not of fაggistan
Believe it or not, that's not what they care about.
I'm a liberal in Boise, Idaho. I know what it's like to be affected by a state government I don't agree with. There's absolutely no way to draw state lines in a way that everyone will find themselves in a political situation they enjoy. If the folks in Eastern Oregon get their Greater Idaho, I want my blue city of Boise to be able to split off from Idaho.
Of course, both ideas (Greater Idaho and Boise splitting from Idaho) are completely untenable. People just have to accept that you're not going to always get your way politically.
To quote the western Oregonians in the video, if you don't like it, why don't you move?
You must be great fun at parties.
America never disappoints to perplex me. It is a country of many forms. It looks so impeccable on the facade, thanks to its ginormous entertainment and media industry, but it so messy internally. A land of polar opposites to say the least. A home to the largest homeless people on earth, apart from those displaced by wars in active conflict zones, as well as the largest Mega rich billionaires. Fascinating!!!
You do not know in deep. Even physicians in the US are some kind of poor. Can you imagine next: During Coronavirus a private practice physicians come to us to tell us good news: The Governemnt will help us with money, only 1%. What is problem? He does not have money to live a month without work. We, as immigrants, have money to live next 5 years. We say: Thank you very much, good news.. :) You cannoty oimagine how peopl eare poor here. In fact, they have so-so life, but they have nothing.
They have a house? No. They have a car? No. Wife and husband, teachers, tell to us: Finally we owned our house. We have more money now for us..
Nice? Yes. But they are 65 years old.
Most of Americans trust theitr government, trust bank, laweys, trust system. When we started to open p[rivate practice An American, in order to help us, say: Fine, now we will go to bank to get money.
We do not need money. He was surpsrised, how it is possiblem, he knows what money we have....
Americnas need about $200K to open privat epractice. We spend only $17K. :)
System i sporblme....they work a lot for nothing in fact.
@@acamiln8354 are you really pretending to be a doctor? a doctor who can't spell or type?
I don't see how Idaho can economically adopt this land from Oregon. The amount of infrastructure, laws, and other state government-controlled things that would need to be changed and maintained is enormous. Idaho has nothing to gain from this.
There are plenty of examples already of communities doing whatever they want when it comes to law, take California allowing illegals in, or Texas allowing silencers, or Oregon legalizing all hard drugs, all of these places violated federal law and did whatever they wanted so there is plenty of precedent for doing that already
Everyone needs to respect one another’s opinions and values. There is room for all in the conversation. Otherwise it’s civil war.
From wikipedia:
Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others".
You mentioned a seditious civil war somewhere in there...
No we don't. Like why should someone have to put up with someone else's socially backwards and harmful views
Seditious civil war? You little tyrants really do lose your minds when the Right stands up to you. These counties are engaged in a 100% legal process that is part of the design of this country.
Say what you will, and make fun all you want about the caricature “blue haired vegan democrats” but my guy in the beginning of the video with an enormous gut, cowboy hat and a pointy moustache playing Wild West in broad daylight is as good a caricature of a republican as you can get 😂😂😂
you just hit the nail on the head
What happened to “body shaming”?
@@LilyGazou the gut is the least of his concerns
Australia, same area size as United States, has 7 States. Granted, we are only 26 million people spread over the land, yet we live basically normal day-to-day lives under a system where national elections held every 3 years on a Saturday are almost always settled by late that night. Come Monday either the old government continues (no limiting factors, i.e. only two terms) or the new lot settle in. Of course the usual ratbaggery of political misconduct runs free during campaigning, yet we stay relatively free of pulling the country apart, the beat goes on. Basket case America is on an inane downward spiral to a chaos it will take a generation to rectify as even a blind man can see if Trump loses one side of the political split will put it down to a rigged election and damn the consequences. Trump's true and lasting legacy.
You guys gave away your guns and lost all leverage with your government. Now your government is curtailing certain rights like free speech (specifically, arresting a pregnant woman for speaking out against the China virus lockdowns on social media). Other Anglophone countries like Britain and Canada are behaving similarly. So why should we take cues from you?
Australia looks a bit like a prison though. Despite the vast area. They really chased people down to inject them, especially the indigenous.
As an outside observer, I seriously think that one day the US will split into two or more countries someday. Perhaps not permanently, but maybe for like 20 or so years. The ideologies there are so different.
Stay in ur state and just have more kids. That’s the right way of changing an idea