Good. They can help pay for trying Chad and Lori. It's overv$3 million and they haven't even been tried yet. Enjoy living among the survivalist and paying sales tax too. Once you leave you can never return.
Same issues in Washington. Moved to Eastern Washington 12 years ago to get away from the crazy world of Seattle, Tacoma. Our local politicians have been trying to break away from the west side for years. Way back folks had looked into joining Eastern Oregon and Washington into one State.
@@fattone166 I look at the only downside is that rural Western Oregon would become even more dominated. Otherwise I look at it as a net positive thing. Why do you say "careful what you wish for."
I don't understand. This problem is not unique to Oregon. In Washington, Seattle and Tacoma are the large populated areas. In California, San Francisco and Los Angeles have a greater population than the rest of the state. And it seems that much of the state of New York is rural, while New York City gets most of the national attention. Many states, if not most, have one or two areas that dominate legislation and voter response. So, if Eastern Oregon is allowed to secede and become Idaho...how does Boise not become the problem?
They would only further dilute the power of their vote and in the meantime give more power to those cities in the federal level...so whatever ya wanna do. But yes, we live in different places because we have different JOBS 😅 All American and all depend on each other
Boise is already a problem because of all the Californian refugees moving there. Thankfully enough of the Californians are conscious of the problems they are leaving so the balance has not tipped yet. The new counties would actually help dilute the effect of Californians.
i had a discussion with an urban friend from new york in 1976 as i remember and we were discussing regional differences in the world. i said "the biggest difference is between people from cities and people from rural areas." he thought that was preposterous. i stand by that opinion now more than ever.
That is because People in the Cities outnumber the People in the Rural places 1,000:1. The rural folks don't understand Majority Rules. The are Uneducated and Ignorant of what America really is.
People who live in upstate NY want to also divorce them selves from New York City and its suburbs. NYC dominates the states government and impose many laws on mostly rural upstate. Their are other states in similar situations. I'm sure most of Illinois would love to separate from Chicago also. We could end up with 57 states, as Obama mentioned.
That's only because factories and high paid manufacturing is no longer in the cities. *When So Cal had a high % of citizens working for defense contractors, we had Gov.* *Ronnie Reagan, CA voted twice for him for POTUS* Post BRAC, not so much..... *BRAC was reduction of US military bases, MANY in CA....*
I live in WA and tired of Portland. I only go there if im passing through. Portland essentially controls the politics of Oregon. The best parts of oregon are in the east.
Private property ownership will soon only be possible for the ruling class. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." That was the platform for the 2022 World economic form. Not a joke or a conspiracy theory man. Look it up! They are saying this stuff out loud now, due to the success of the coordinated lockdowns. They know most will comply. That's all they need.
Same thing in every leftist run state. L.A./Bay Area controls california. SEATAC controls Washington. NYC controls NY. Denver controls colorado. I have been saying for years that every state needs its own electoral college. Each county should have a say in how the state is run.
Just look at Portland compared to John Day, that's all you need to know. Portland prioritizes criminals over working class citizens. The city also allows car jackings and shop lifting without any major ramifications. Portland also strips gun rights from citizens that want to protect themselves. Now look at John Day. People own guns, hunt, actually care about the environment because that's what feeds them with farms, livestock and wild animals and you can leave your car running on main street. This is what America is supposed to be.
Most of Shelby County TN desires to cede from the existing county and leave Memphis in it all by itself. Tired of being associated with the murder capital of the Country, yes the USA.
This is precluded by the 14th amendment. Many states, including Oregon, had two senators from each county, regardless of population. The 14th amendment made that unconstitutional as it does not create equal representation. It does make sense in some ways, as the US Senate does tend to be more aware of the rights of the minority, in the form of the less populated states.
@@matthewbeasley7765 - Yep. Same argument can be made by the more populated states that their influence is undercut by the less populated rural states. The senators from WY and ND can basically nullify the senators from CA and NY in the senate...which, is one reason the SCOTUS is so lopsided and corrupt.
@@rockstarofredondo That's an odd way of stating a question. Clearly, it hasn't. That wasn't the intent of the 14th amendment and certainly can be considered one of the downsides. Overall, the 14th amendment is a huge boon to American citizens. Prior to the enactment, the bill of rights only applied to actions taken by the federal government by citizens. The respective states could walk all over the rights of citizens without it. Overall, it is a huge benefit to the political minority. Just consider Oregon Measure 114: Presently there isn't a federal injunction, but undoubtedly it eventually will be struck down under Bruen. Without the 14th amendment, measure 114 would be considered an internal issue in Oregon.
I was born an Oregonian and was raised on horse and cattle ranches in the Willamette Valley and then over in Central Oregon. I left my home state years ago because of how extreme and divisive the state had become and I don't plan to ever go back because of the tone-deafness and elitism of the western part of that state. I truly do feel for those folks in the eastern part who have just as much of a right to be heard. Thank you for this story.
Is it really about farming or way of life? Isn't it bigger than that? Oregon government has been taken over by radicals who are being sponsored by global elites, just like CA.
I'm so glad you did this report. Come on over to Central and Southern Oregon also. I think it's wonderful for Oregon to see what most of Oregon is really about
In always amused by the State of Jefferson folks who want to secede from Califpenis and Oregon. I say let them go. What are they going to use for a tax base? And since most of the taxes come from the large populations in Portland, LA and SF, do they think those taxpayers are going to give them all the expensive equipment used to plow the snow? Who will pay for svhools, road, police, fire suppression and infrastructure? These folks are already dependent on the rest of us. Just like the Bundy bozos who took over Malheur, all on some form of government assistance while the rest of us work to provide for our families.
Unfair? Bet they won't complain about Wyoming getting 2 US Senators and California getting 2 US Senators... 2 Wyoming senators represent 578K Americans, 2 California senators represent 39.4 million Americans...
These wacky cities such as Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York need to have laws dedicated to the issues there without affecting the remainder of the state. Laws passed for cities have no place for rural areas of the state.
The part of this that upsets me is I'm on the wrong side of the line for this fix. I've lived in the valley around 55 years and am sick of the crap they pull.
Like what? Have you bothered to get involved in politics, to fix the situation? Or do you just spend your time crying on RUclips? You might be surprised how few people actually participate in politics, and surprisingly, it does make a difference. I get sick of all this they, them, and I'm oppressed nonsense, typically coming from the right.
@Bobsyouruncle I spent a bunch of time on recall work, not that it's any of your damned business. I get sick of all you dem's holy than thou attitude too. So why are you here complaining about the right if you're so tired of people complaining on YT. Look within, hypocrite.
@@dmsentra Good for you, you got involved. And I'm not holier than you, and I don't have an attitude. Best lose that chip that you're dragging around; it'll likely give you an ulcer. If you really don't care for Oregon, the obvious solution is to sell your valuable Oregon real estate and use it to finance a nice little place in Idaho-- which you seem to love. I left Idaho a long time ago, and I don't want to go back.
I`ve never heard talk of it, but my state of Kansas is the same way. We have a little over a hundred counties, and about 97 of them vote differently than the other five do. Those 5 or 6 just happen to have fairly large colleges, or they have the jobs where the students go after graduation. The lives and the viewpoints of those few counties are about as opposite of the other ninety some, as could possibly be. Basically conservative versus socialist. The last time we had this problem was in the early 1860`s, and you know how that went. Almost every state in the union has this same problem which has been caused by politicians, educators, and the media.
There are more people in LA county than the entire state of Kansas. So yeah well populated urban areas in kansas are going to have a greater numbers of voters
The problem with any secession is that somebody is going to end up cut out financially. You can talk ideology all day long, but what if the new Oregon decides that exporting diesel fuel across their new state line comes with a 50 cent a gallon conveyance fee? Greater Idaho doesn't have a port to bring in fuel. They don't have refineries to make the fuel from the oil supplies they also don't have. If Eastern Oregonians think their taxes are high now, just wait until what little money DOES come from Portland disappears. A couple of states tried this 1860. Didn't go great for them.
I've lived in small towns and large cities. Life is different obviously in each place but I think it's gone beyond population size and is probably more an ideological issue now. I really don't see it getting better. When one group is consistently able to outvote another, eventually the larger group decides it's not in their interest to even consider the smaller group. There are probably no easy solutions, but as it stands I don't see people outside of Portland getting any concessions that will be satisfactory.
It's a matter of population not consideration. It's funny every one blames the West... They don't think about us. Let's be real. When a vote is placed do you the people in the East "consider" the people in the West? This will not change if Idaho were to take East Oregon. Let's look at it for what it is. These people what to live in a conservative Republican state without moving. If there's a problem in their County the mayor and other state leaders need to do their job as the people in the West can't just fix it for them.
Then move to a state that stands by their politics. There’s more to a state than politics. If that’s what guides you it’s an option for you in a handful of states. I am an Oregonian, and my vote is as valuable here as yours. You wanting to take part of my state because you don’t like that you’re outvoted is too bad. Split up each state by population then. You can have your 25% of each state. I’ll get the liberal addition of land from Idaho then. It’s not one way. The people of each state have spoken, and you’re just upset that you live in a liberal dominant state. Classic conservative to try to circumvent the vote. I’m not giving up my state. That’s just as much my right to that land as you. Even if you presently live there.
Just like the Brexit issue in the UK...people think they see a solution to all their problems on the horizon. But, it is a mirage, and it won't fix things as they believe. Instead, it will surely create a whole new set of problems they have to suffer with for many people in both states. That is how it always works when people with problems look for scapegoats to blame instead of themselves or the inevitable changes that they must adapt to. Losers blame....winners adapt.
We have the same exact problem here in Minnesota. Greater Minnesota is red and the bigger cities are blue. The big city passes laws we out here don’t like or care for, we feel like we are on our own and have no voice.
I was going to say the same, I live in Scott County, right on the edge of the metro area. Scott County has stayed red but it is frustrating to see everything that has gone on since the left took total control of this state in the last election. If I could move I would.
Help me out here. So we should abide by the minority vote of the state? Sounds like the electoral vote and why this country has the money issue we have. They don’t like it, they can go back to the country they came from. Conservative? They better be driving horse buggies. I’m pretty sure Western Europe will take you back and pay those taxes.
This news segment was well done! Bravo! I think it’s important to hear from the Eastern side of my home state. My family has always had a lot of ties to the land in Eastern Oregon. It is beautiful, and in some places desolate. I have lived in the Willamette Valley my whole life, it is a different culture. I just wonder why they cannot become Eastern Oregon, like the woman in the video mentioned. I feel like that makes a lot more sense. I sometimes grow frustrated with everything in the Western side of Oregon, being seen as Portland. This state has a lot of wounds, but I’ll always stick around. It’s my home. ❤️
Some of the worst wounds have been to our forests. All because the politicians wouldn't and still won't listen to the experts that warned them over 30 years ago that our forests would become a ticking time bomb managing them the way they decided to. They shut down most of the logging and devastated the economies of most rural counties in the PNW, not wanting them to continue to log. That has cost us all dearly! All that old growth timber that's just been used to fuel the forest fires. They continue to mismanage our forests while actually being the cause of some of the largest forest fires we've seen. Meanwhile they want to point to climate change as the cause but they're causing some of the worst pollution I've ever seen! I'm also tired of choking on smoke, while that smoke is also choking out the sun in NE OR! We didn't have this when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s.
@@jeremytine Oh, you don't LIKE that? It's how the Senate was designed! Open a book once in a while. In Congress that state has a grand total of ONE in the house, out of -- no , I'm gonna make you look that one up. :D And here's one for you Leftists (can't call you Liberal anymore) why can't you just LEAVE US ALONE ? Why do you have this pathological urge to finger-bang the hell out of everyone else's lives that you can get power over? What makes you think that your filthy cities full of violent crime and tent-cities set the right example of how everyone must be forced to live, eh?
@@jeremytine then move to an actual democrat country. There are plenty to choose from. This is a constitutional republic, purposefully designed to make sure the always more numerous city populations couldn’t steamroll the rural minority.
@@tman8939 remember anyone who isn't way has been brainwashed to think that white supremacy rules the day and letting everything burn is the only way to fight the evil white supremacy monster. Which is obviously complete BS and pretty much the opposite from the truth but it's what many believe
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How about if we just kick anybody out of the state that was not born in the state. Population in Portland, Eugene and Salem would decrease greatly. Then we might get control of the government. Also make it so you have to have been born here to hold office. I live 25 miles west of Portland. The state don't listen to us either. it is only small special interest groups that get listened to. If it truly had been a majority vote, than a lot of the laws on the books wouldn't exist.
Oh they're going to have those hard rock conservatives in Northern Idaho pay for it. Shoot, they'll find themselves back on dirt roads in a few years, with the power being down for months. But they will have their Christian theocracy, and make sure that no brown people are going to be around. The bottom line on all this stuff is it's cultural, and it ain't a very nice cultural. That's why they don't want to talk about it, because basically their ideas are unacceptable.
@@WIILIAMHOWELL I've got a 199 page report that shows that Eastern Oregon will descend into the third world levels of poverty experienced by most Idahoans. Seriously, traveling back to Idaho a couple years ago, Northern Idaho specifically, I was struck by three things, first I'd forgotten that everybody waved at everybody else in the rural areas as you drove by them, secondly, it was hard to get out of the grocery store because everybody wanted to chat you up, and thirdly, how poor all the working-class people appeared to be compared to their peers over in Southern Oregon where I live. Nice people but they look like they've been beaten like a rented mule.
As is clear from the comments here, this problem isn't unique to Oregon; it's nationwide. Our country is being run by the big cities, primarily because 48 of our states use "winner takes all" for their Electoral College voting. In many voting cycles, it would be a much different outcome if our states selected our electors by Congressional district votes rather than "winner take all". Eventually, the rural areas are simply going to refuse to comply with the big city edicts, and our current cold Civil War could very likely become a hot American Revolution. I wonder how the big cities will fare when the food produced in the rural area suddenly fails to get to the big city market places.
@@irvin6846 You clearly have never heard of wells. Rural Americans have them everywhere. And as far as medical care is concerned. we can survive for a few weeks without doctors--how long do you think you can manage without food?
Why can’t western Oregon just let these people go and let their views and lifestyle be represented? This is why America was founded in the first place.
PA is the same, you look at the voting maps and nearly the entire state is red except for about 4 cities have more population than the entire rest of the state
Majority rules is Democracy in action. But right wingers only like it when they win. GOP likes to say: let's throw out majority rules, so that the (minority), empty counties can overrule the majority(populated) counties. Oh wait, ethnic minorities, women, LBGTQ+ asking for equal representation, is too much right? How dare a minority ask for equal representation!
Nice to see some actually listening to those of us who hate city politics Edit: we have the same problem here in WA state, but the divorce will never happen since our governor needs all the tax money he can get his hands on for his pet projects
Look at WA SR12 between Pasco and Walla Walla. One of the most dangerous stretches of highway in the state. Multiple fatalities almost every year. Main commuter route for several large companies, leading to almost a thousand cars extra per day that the highway was not designed to handle. The route has not changed in over 100 years. The most dangerous section of the highway is finally being re-routed and made into the 4-lane that it SHOULD have been for 50 years now. The COUNTY is footing the majority of the bill to replace this section of a STATE highway. If this same highway was on the west side, it would be a 4-lane freeway with a bike paths, water stations, and a rest area or two, all paid for with state highway funds.
Tax money flows from Western Washington to Eastern Washington, so a divorce would be really good for us Western Washingtonians in terms of saving on taxes. I'm all for it! Let Spokane fund its own schools.
I'm not sure I want more of my taxes subsidizing Eastern Washington infrastructure, however. A lot of tax money from western washington already goes east to subsidize infrastructure over there. I guess we just have more money, so we pay more taxes that then get redistributed to the poorer eastern part of the state, but still.
Same situation in Colorado. The state is hostage to the left, liberal, run Denver and Boulder metro areas. The rest of the state is conservative. I wish there was a way to cordon off these two counties from the rest of the state.
I've lived in places that I didn't like. I moved. The expenses Idaho would entail for purchasing Oregon would be astronomically prohibitive. Especially when the buyers profess to being fiscally conservative. A far cheaper resolution is for Idaho to pay moving expenses to disgruntled Oregonians wishing to become Idahoans. A scenario that Greater Idahoan advocates ignore is Ashland. Ashland is situated on I-5 and just a few minutes from the California border...... and is very liberal. What message would be conveyed to them? Move? Or deal with the circumstances?
I find it funny they are trying to run to Idaho. Idaho is growing very quickly and most of that growth is happening in the Boise metropolitan area. Within the next few years, it will start to turn very much like Oregon. With the Metroplex of Boise/Meridian/Nampa controlling what happens in the state leaving the rural area out of the system. I do agree the system is broken and needs to be fixed but breaking the state of Oregon in two is not the direction it needs to go. The system in the large city is not working either and its time they get a blend of both sides of Oregon. Make a stronger Oregon not a broken one.
Would count of vote from each district or county and the majority then becomes 1 vote to the issue or position. For all counties. Good ideal or not? Instead by population.
Why not take Washington and Oregon, from north to south, combine them and split them at the cascade mountains? We in Washington are also conservative and differ from the east side of our state. Basically, split Oregon an Washington the other direction. Instead of horizontal, make the state split vertical. That way, all the lefties can have WA & OR west of the Cascades and be one state and the sane people combine OR & WA east of the Cascades.
Listen cupcake, it doesn't matter how you feel! That land belongs to Washington State, you can pack up and move, but the State legislature isn't going to ever approve that moving the border, go kick rocks, kid.
What's wrong is that they fail to respect the values of city folk who have their values due to the demands of city life. Both sides need to respect each other's values for being valid for the place they are in. And acreage of dirt does not determine power; individual persons determine power and no single person should have more power that another single person. Majority rules are fair. I suspect that Oregon simply has poor government all around, perhaps because of poor leadership quality.
I'm a north Idaho resident and I support this 100%. Adding more rural counties to Idaho would help us fight the same battle that the rural areas of OR have lost.
@@Nate_o_eight unfortunately for you people in the city are more educated and know a lot more about the land than you do obviously just because you live close to some land doesn't make it yours it's Federal and it belongs to all of us. Please stop being so stupid
Wow, it's like a city with over 60% of the voting population and not spread out counties with far less people are determining the leadership and laws. Fucking crazy...
These people have no idea.. they really do feel left out because they are looking for it. I garenty they would won't to come right back if Idaho took them. From minimum wage to sales tax they would be done. Let alone property tax would sky rocket to pay for all the ne land Idaho would have to manage.
This is a good example of why I have felt for many years there should be a state version of the Electorial College. Even rural areas of California are much more conservative than most of Americans would believe but their population has no effect on state policies. I’m originally from E Tn and, yes, we also designate which section of the state we’re from when asked because east, middle, and west Tn are so different in our cultures. Fortunately Nashville and Memphis don’t have domination over the rest of us…yet.
I lived in California all my life... It doesn't matter Conservatives are EVERYWHERE in the city. The reason you will see more Democratic voters in the city is because it's the city! You learn you have to live with all types of racies of people and grow an understanding of different cultures besides yours.. all conservatives in my family don't have a clue or care... That's why they end up as hatfull Republicans.
@@Jeralddoerr The point would be to give the 5 people within the 10 miles and the 50 people within the 5 self determination rather than the 50 people imposing policies on the 5.
Im from Minnesota but have been paying attention to the divide in Oregon for probably 10 years, and I get them, I understand. It's the same thing in MN and everywhere else. One group of people, who don't care about you, makes all the rules and choices regardless of how it affects you.
The problem is that both the Oregon Senate and House are based on population, so Portland controls everything. The solution is to have the House based on population and the Senate based on county, each county gets one or two Senators. Then both urban and rural will have a voice, and compromise will be needed to pass legislation.
It was that way until a 1960's SCOTUS decision who basically said that "violated the Constitution" even though that is EXACTLY how the US Senate is, it was a 100% political not legally based decision by a far left majority SCOTUS.
Well, how is that different than if everyone or anyone wanted their own senators so they could do whatever they wanted? What makes (some, at least-obviously not all) of these Eastern Oregon people think they are so different? States are governed by population for a reason.
@@superset7 Like old saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Currently we have absolute power in Oregon. Note that the Federal government has a Senate with equal representation to states to prevent a monopoly on power.
4th generation Colorado native....There are conservative, rural Colorado folks who live in counties bordering Wyoming who are voicing the same concerns. I stand with them.
To politicians, it's a political game. To the rest of us, it's how we are able to live our lives. Even with absolute power, to be a good steward of the people. You have to care about them. I honestly think they could care less.
I lived on the East side and I totally agree.....the West runs things THEIR way and doesn't give a darn about the repercussions of the laws they make that affect the WHOLE state.
I imagine there is a lot of similar opinions from other towns too, but this video is summing up all of Eastern Oregon from the testimony of a few people in John Day.
I am one of them...I live in Southeastern Oregon and I'd rather be apart of Idaho, I am so sick of the politics of the left-wing party and their one sided voting and the idiots in Portland....and I'm embarrassed about their protection of Antifa.. I don't want to be associated with it anymore...
I don't live in Oregon but, if I did and no matter where I lived in Oregon, I would definitely vote for joining Idaho. I grew up on a farm and I'm conservative so, I very much understand.
Why not just move? I don't think it's right for a small minority of people to change an entire state just because they don't like the way a state is run.
This video is wonderful. If city folks watch this to understand what really is going out in the rural areas that would really help to solve this entire situation
There’s a book called the 11 nations that talks about how the left coast is the whole part of the land area from San Francisco to British Columbia. Canada west of the cascades in the east of the cascades is the interior West, which is a distinct and holy separate cultural country.
The urban rural cultural divide is the crux of the matter. Educated urban dwellers can believe that they are elites that know what is best for all. They demean those who work with their hands running agricultural, fishing, and logging businesses. Although they know better, they feel deep in their hearts that food and building materials are found neatly prepackaged in stores and that those who buy them there are superior to those who process their own food and building materials. Elected officials enact laws supporting the interests of those who elect them. Rural areas are becoming like colonies benefitting a self identified urban elite majority. If the urban elites will not respect them and also enact laws supporting rural interests, a separation may become inevitable.
Thank you for good reporting on my home state I'm trying to move home I'm a Portland/Tigard woman who wants to move to Pendleton Oregon would love to live in Portland but it's to crazy there
@@mixedupmenopausaladhd3999 crime is increasing in Tigard according to people I know who still live there. I saw the change in that direction too before I got out. It also is getting too crowded.
The same situation exists in New York State. Hochul won only 13 of 62 counties. Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany and the New York City area counties. She got 85% of the votes in Manhattan and Brooklyn which virtually guarantees a statewide election.
I live in Brooklyn and am one of the 15% who didn't vote for Hochul. I don't even know why I bother to vote since only Democrats get elected in Brooklyn.
Believe it or not I think California is the same. Get rid of LA and SFO and I think you would have a red state. We are controlled by the population centers just as Oregon is. We have 40 acres NE of Sacramento and it is definitely conservative. 5 generations on that ranch
We are in a similar situation out here in Maryland. The primarily conservative Eastern Shore and Western Maryland are completely superseded by five counties. There was a recent push a few years ago where Western Maryland wants to leave Maryland and form our own state and frankly, I'm getting pushed more and more to that side everyday. I love my state, we have such a unique culture here, but I feel like our state legislature wants to essentially push anyone that disagrees with them out of the state.
The situation in your state is not unique. The cure would be for each and every state to have it's own electoral college so that every resident can be properly represented.
@@adotintheshark4848 Why do you people keep pedaling this stuff? The rules don't work for you so let's change them? At the end of the day people vote not land!
As a native Oregonian of >70 years, I've known since childhood that *it's **_ONLY_** the current borders that HAVE **_PROTECTED_** the State of Oregon FROM BECOMING AN ABUSED, CONTAMINATED, & WASTED LAND - **_JUST LIKE IDAHO!_* I grew up as a hunter, born into a hunting family, and it is the dreadful "Me! Me! Me!" attitudes (such as are displayed here, & by another hunter, no less 😖 ) that could completely destroy the beauty that IS Oregon, if allowed to take hold. Such short-sightedness as is displayed here, it just brings me to tears! This week I haven't enough time to post more, but I'm SO GLAD that folks who DO HAVE FORESIGHT are keeping Oregon intact, and beautiful, too!
@@bob_frazierSell your land and buy a piece of land in ID to farm on. I moved being a 4th generation Vermonter. If you want it bad enough, YOU take personal responsibility and move. I mean do you SERIOUSLY think that state lines are realistically going to change and 2 state governments are going to allow the absorption of the minority of voters of one state? Work harder to get your Representatives elected if you want to see change in the OR state government. That’s how representative democracy works. Not some outlandish idea of reestablishing state borders.
@@jeezumcrow8655 Well said. Love it or leave it. Personal responsibility. If it's too hard to make a living in rural areas, do what you have to do to make a living in the cities where it's easier and more lucrative.
Idaho has a lower minimum wage, lower wages in general than Oregon, many rural eastern oregonians are at the poverty level earning minimum wage already. Idaho is increasing its sales tax to provide a tax credit for property taxes, from 6% to 7.85% thats just weird money shuffling... Oregon doesn't have a sales tax. Western Oregon has a larger, wealthier population base to supplement the low population, low income counties in Eastern Oregon, but Idaho doesn't have that same population base to support an large influx of infrastructure and population from Eastern Oregon. More Californians are moving to Idaho than they are Oregon.
I live in rural Northern Michigan, and it's the same here. The population centers are very blue and have the votes to favor the cities. Those of us in rural counties are paying (literally) for the cities. Good luck to you all in Eastern Oregon!
@@Hassingerjeff Correct. The per-person cost to bring civilization (paved roads, emergency services, education, electricity, internet, law enforcement, healthcare) to a place is a lot higher in sparse rural areas than dense urban areas. This notion of rural Oregon counties joining Idaho, if realized, would result in a decline of standards for those places.
You statement about paying for cities is probably why officials do not take your side seriously. You start with a falsehood that does not make any sense. Your life is being subsidized by the cities. It was always the case and the imbalance will get worse as more people move to the cities and the rural areas empty out more. Face the facts first and your city neighbors will gladly consider your legitimate grievances (if you have any).
I live north in Stevens County, Washington where we share the same concerns. The West side of the mountains is completely out of touch with us and our lifestyles. We have limited representation and feel like a bunch of gangsters are running our lives. The liberal governor is despised. I wish the Idaho movement extended this far north. I would support it.
We have the same issue in Washington. But it's mostly King County that decides what happens in Washington, and everyone else is stuck with their decisions.
Speaking as an eastern Oregonian, I support the greater Idaho movement 1000%! If I could sign a paper that divorced us from the other side of Oregon tomorrow, I would GLEEFULLY sign it RIGHT NOW!!!!
Lots of us in SW Oregon want to join also. This came up in a barber shop in Coos county last week and it was 6 out of 8 wanted to join Idaho. Mostly state employees want to stay part of Oregon. I know, very small sample size but it shows almost everyone here is thinking about it too
@@LilyGazou Thank Homeland Security for that, it's their job.1st in? DHS promotes instability. 2nd in? Mormons. 3rd in? Mex drug cartels and MC Gangs- To supply mormons w opioids - their biggest weakness. California? Look at LAPD & LASO as examples. And 80% mormon idaho? Has begun 2nd sweep of their LDS #DEZNAT war? Sweep in from East to subsume 2/3rds of east Oregon to access farm lands and Columbia n Snake rivers in Oregon to do home n land grabs & *WATER grabs... Pressure on wealthy yuppies in Bend & Portland? To drive em out, arrest in court sealed cases to illegally seize properties and to steal in order to auction off cheaply to mormons to own the whole WEST coast w salmon n ocean fisheries, valuable crop n farm lands (think cali n avocados, onions etc... washington orchards, idaho forests for lumber. All ONLY for mormon LDS #DEZNAT overthrow of America. Fueled by mormons, enraged by their churches? Into rebelling for a coup. To "punish" n hurt Americans and destroy our nation. As bill clinton said? "Essy to think you can easily kick down the old barn [that is America?], but not so easy to build a new one." Think america. Step real careful there. No shootings, no riots. That wld only feed right into their LDS dirty hands.
@@LilyGazou see? That's EXACTLY what DHS n mormons n Congress wants you to see, think, and do. See a mess, think you have to move away from the horror, call in your ppl? Pack n blow town. The *food processing plants? *Dairies? Factories? Train crashes? *FOOD stores closing? Is exactly their war plan, terrorist tactics from 3rd world countries mormons n DHS are utilising to rip America apart. Think HARDER. Mormons NEED to be sent back to Utah. Homeland sec? Prolly time to disband it as it was 100% illegal to start. Gitmo? Obama was exactly right. Close it down. We need to step carefully n slowly back into the world spotlight. Drive drugs n cartels back into mexico, mormons back into Utah. On pain of death if no compliance... ;( Scotus leak slowed riots re ROE? Jan 6 stopped coup. We owe Trump an apology. We need to go straight votes? Exit A.I or else congress will put AI Clones into congress and run off to their new playground in wyoming... while climate disaster strikes? And congress + clones + u.s. are destroyed. C'mon guys! I need your help. To save our nation? We need to unite together. One nation under god. Indivisible w liberty and justice for all. Goal. Work. Acheive. United we stand. Divided we fall. Be strong. Be Anerican. Wily, wary, smart, ingenious, creative. Moral kind just democracy.
We have the same problems in rural Ontario Canada the GTA greater Toronto area controls the whole province and they keep giving them more political seats because that is where the greatest population is. They don't need more seats MP they need more front line workers maybe.I refer to it as the new Roam and we all know how that turned out.
Isn't "giving more seats to more populated areas" how representative government is _supposed_ to work? Why should rural areas with stagnant or declining populations get unwarranted bonuses?
@@Zalis116 nope, the minority is not supposed to be steamrolled by the majority. That’s why this is a constitutional republic, not a “democracy” like the miseducated want to claim.
It’s unfortunately against the constitution but I so understand where they are coming from. Best thing they can do is to start to ignore and refuse to implement the crap laws implemented by the legislature. Oregon and CA do that to laws they don’t like that Feds pass so why not do the same on a local level.
PSYCHOTIC Gov Brown and the insane politics of Oregon caused my wife and I to move back to Idaho almost 3 yrs ago now. Back when the C.O.V.I.D. plandemic was still going on and Gov Brown was talking about locking down the state is when we packed up our home and moved back in 2020.
Maybe you should come out to Eastern Washington and talk with the folks out here. The same sentiment is felt here about the West side ( Pierce, Snohomish, and King counties).
Native Klamath County resident now living in San Antonio, TX (retired from the Army in 2009) and I’m stunned what’s happened to Oregon since 1984. I remember the Rajneesh cult, in the 80’s and what happened after their breakup, it impacted the State more than people know. Back in the 70’s I remember people (Oregonians) would stand on the side of Hwy 97 and any cars with California license plates coming into Oregon got a hand full of gravel thrown at them! Then Californians started fleeing their cities after “diversity” became too much for them and sold their inherited house and bought a cheaper home up here then started their crappy voting habits again. Thankfully, most liberals can’t handle the harsh winters on the High Desert and they swiftly move to the west side of the Cascades to live. In 1993-95 I was assigned as one of the Army Recruiters in Klamath Falls and I loved it! I had Klamath and Lake counties as my area which meant a lot of drive time, especially in Christmas Valley, lol. I count myself fortunate to have been raised in Klamath Falls and to watch people suffer because of stupid liberal agendas is beyond criminal to me. And yes, I own guns and won’t be giving up a damn thing. And who else recalls the “State of Jefferson” initiative? It was started because of similar issues with the State government of each side. So this Idaho Initiative may have some areas in Northern California that’re interested in joining.
Actually, Real Estate spiked in CA in the 1970's, I know, I was living there. You didn't have to have an inherited Home to clear almost home value in profit. Also happened to move to Tacoma in late 1970's at the request of the US military...ha ha I never got rid of my CA state Drivers license BUT my Motorcycle DID have WA state license plates...
@@fredschnerbert1238 sounds like you’re a common example of what baby boomers did back then. In my 26 years in the Army I’ve PCSed 9 times and I highly doubt you have a valid California DL since living there. Clearly not everyone had an inherited house they sold when moving to a place with less “diversity” and crazy taxes/cost of living. A few years ago california imposed a new fee for any new home construction of $20,000 to connect to any water main and that doesn’t include the cost of installing the pipe and valves. This “greater Idaho” plan is looking better by the day! Liberals have successfully ruined Portland and Spokane, not to mention every other city along I-5 but they just don’t like living in deserts, lol. But nothing I say will make any difference, the damage done is too deep, the country is doomed to implode thanks to liberalism and open borders so I hope you can speak Spanish, lol.
I'd love to live in a quiet rural town, but the country is so divided even if I wanted to find some place quiet and conservative I'd be viewed as someone who might be progressive coming from out of state. We get punished by the urban dwellers and forced to pay for their irresponsibility.
We feel the same way in southern Illinois. Chicago rules over the whole state. We have FFA in our small schools down here too. Live a completely different lifestyle that chitcago and the suburbs that are 5 hours away
The problem is that there are enough liberal votes in Portland, Salem and Eugene that Democratic lawmakers can and do completely ignore the voices from the rest of the state and they can do so with utter impunity because the liberal city vote totals so vastly outweigh the rural vote totals that the rural voices can be and in fact are completely ignored.
It is So Sad that Big City Don’t Give a Bull Poo on the Little People. Maybe instead of a Divorce make two Oregon East / West and one Senator for East one Senator for West. Slip the Congress Two if not Now. Tax Money stays where it Comes From. Again Common Cense. That is All it Take. PS the Goes for Laws and slip there Supreme Court too.
I, as a resident of Oracle Arizona, say "You go Greater Idahoans"! I totally understand their pain. With such a scattered population, they can't compete with all the "progressive, liberal, socialist folks" who reside in the big cities and towns on the coastal part of Oregon. I hope they can prevail and settle this issue in their favor.
But they can move to Idaho, and make a large conservative state all they want, and then they can be happy they have political power. That’s how it works. Plenty of space in Montana.
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This is the kind of reporting I like to see from the news.
Agreed... It didn't make my mind go numb n want to space out.
Exactly.
This area is Mormon controlled and that's what this is all about
Good. They can help pay for trying Chad and Lori. It's overv$3 million and they haven't even been tried yet. Enjoy living among the survivalist and paying sales tax too. Once you leave you can never return.
@@TheHypnotstCollector Bullshit
Same issues in Washington. Moved to Eastern Washington 12 years ago to get away from the crazy world of Seattle, Tacoma. Our local politicians have been trying to break away from the west side for years. Way back folks had looked into joining Eastern Oregon and Washington into one State.
Careful what you wish for...
@@fattone166 I look at the only downside is that rural Western Oregon would become even more dominated. Otherwise I look at it as a net positive thing. Why do you say "careful what you wish for."
Throw in California from Redding North and Western Oregon south of Cottage Grove and now you're really talking.
Within 20 years, the liberals would just relocate to your new state in great numbers, have friends come before elections and take over.
DC needs to be a state first
I don't understand. This problem is not unique to Oregon. In Washington, Seattle and Tacoma are the large populated areas. In California, San Francisco and Los Angeles have a greater population than the rest of the state. And it seems that much of the state of New York is rural, while New York City gets most of the national attention. Many states, if not most, have one or two areas that dominate legislation and voter response. So, if Eastern Oregon is allowed to secede and become Idaho...how does Boise not become the problem?
Fwiw, Northern California talked about separating from Southern California.
They would only further dilute the power of their vote and in the meantime give more power to those cities in the federal level...so whatever ya wanna do. But yes, we live in different places because we have different JOBS 😅 All American and all depend on each other
Boise is already a problem because of all the Californian refugees moving there. Thankfully enough of the Californians are conscious of the problems they are leaving so the balance has not tipped yet.
The new counties would actually help dilute the effect of Californians.
Rural fascists will cry no matter who stops them.
Some people are struggling with the idea of a representative democracy, it seems
i had a discussion with an urban friend from new york in 1976 as i remember and we were discussing regional differences in the world. i said "the biggest difference is between people from cities and people from rural areas." he thought that was preposterous. i stand by that opinion now more than ever.
It’s certainly true in Russia, the Middle East, Latin America, Africa, Europe…
Yeah, pretty much everyone.
That is because People in the Cities outnumber the People in the Rural places 1,000:1. The rural folks don't understand Majority Rules. The are Uneducated and Ignorant of what America really is.
People who live in upstate NY want to also divorce them selves from New York City and its suburbs. NYC dominates the states government and impose many laws on mostly rural upstate. Their are other states in similar situations. I'm sure most of Illinois would love to separate from Chicago also. We could end up with 57 states, as Obama mentioned.
@@iworkout6912 Oh, and then who will control the Hudson River, why don't they just move to Canada, Canada loves the Irish assholes.
That's only because factories and high paid manufacturing is no longer in the cities.
*When So Cal had a high % of citizens working for defense contractors, we had Gov.* *Ronnie Reagan, CA voted twice for him for POTUS*
Post BRAC, not so much.....
*BRAC was reduction of US military bases, MANY in CA....*
I live in WA and tired of Portland. I only go there if im passing through. Portland essentially controls the politics of Oregon. The best parts of oregon are in the east.
Reminds me of Chicago, and the rest of us who live in Illinois.
STUFF GOING ON FOR A SPLIT THERE & CALI
“The rest of us in Illinois.” I tell you, even downstaters aren’t unified.
Private property ownership will soon only be possible for the ruling class. "You will own nothing, and you will be happy." That was the platform for the 2022 World economic form. Not a joke or a conspiracy theory man. Look it up! They are saying this stuff out loud now, due to the success of the coordinated lockdowns. They know most will comply. That's all they need.
Same thing in every leftist run state. L.A./Bay Area controls california. SEATAC controls Washington. NYC controls NY. Denver controls colorado. I have been saying for years that every state needs its own electoral college. Each county should have a say in how the state is run.
You mean the rest of you who live in Chicago
Just look at Portland compared to John Day, that's all you need to know. Portland prioritizes criminals over working class citizens. The city also allows car jackings and shop lifting without any major ramifications. Portland also strips gun rights from citizens that want to protect themselves.
Now look at John Day. People own guns, hunt, actually care about the environment because that's what feeds them with farms, livestock and wild animals and you can leave your car running on main street. This is what America is supposed to be.
NEWSFLASH:
The policies of Western Oregon aren’t working for Western Oregon either!
Heaven forbid we actually agree on something, then there wouldn’t be any news to report, would there?
Well, you have a point there.
That's the joke. Wall them off and the problem WILL take care of itself.
So vote or move, whining doesn't help.
@@troywest7045
It’s called SPEAKING UP.
Most of Shelby County TN desires to cede from the existing county and leave Memphis in it all by itself. Tired of being associated with the murder capital of the Country, yes the USA.
Eastern Oregonians aren’t the only ones fed up. I live on the coast, and I too am fed up.
So move.
The problems are exactly why the founders created the electoral college. Maybe this needs to be done in Oregon at the state level.
This is precluded by the 14th amendment. Many states, including Oregon, had two senators from each county, regardless of population. The 14th amendment made that unconstitutional as it does not create equal representation. It does make sense in some ways, as the US Senate does tend to be more aware of the rights of the minority, in the form of the less populated states.
@@matthewbeasley7765 - Yep. Same argument can be made by the more populated states that their influence is undercut by the less populated rural states. The senators from WY and ND can basically nullify the senators from CA and NY in the senate...which, is one reason the SCOTUS is so lopsided and corrupt.
@@matthewbeasley7765 how has the 14th made representation more equal and how do they benefit the “minority” rural populations over the rest?
That makes no difference when laws are voted down more than once, and the govt pushes them through anyway.
@@rockstarofredondo That's an odd way of stating a question. Clearly, it hasn't. That wasn't the intent of the 14th amendment and certainly can be considered one of the downsides.
Overall, the 14th amendment is a huge boon to American citizens. Prior to the enactment, the bill of rights only applied to actions taken by the federal government by citizens. The respective states could walk all over the rights of citizens without it. Overall, it is a huge benefit to the political minority. Just consider Oregon Measure 114: Presently there isn't a federal injunction, but undoubtedly it eventually will be struck down under Bruen. Without the 14th amendment, measure 114 would be considered an internal issue in Oregon.
I was born an Oregonian and was raised on horse and cattle ranches in the Willamette Valley and then over in Central Oregon. I left my home state years ago because of how extreme and divisive the state had become and I don't plan to ever go back because of the tone-deafness and elitism of the western part of that state. I truly do feel for those folks in the eastern part who have just as much of a right to be heard. Thank you for this story.
I left Rogue Valley after 40+ yrs. Drug crazed dump now. Only took 15 or so years. From best place in the world into what it is now.
It’s not just in the eastern parts. I’m from small town on the far west side and we all feel the same.
I did too I moved to Idaho then to Montana
Is it really about farming or way of life? Isn't it bigger than that? Oregon government has been taken over by radicals who are being sponsored by global elites, just like CA.
I'm so glad you did this report. Come on over to Central and Southern Oregon also. I think it's wonderful for Oregon to see what most of Oregon is really about
yeah rednecks and racists
This is a Mormon job. By Mormons for Mormons. Part of the Nation of Deseret
In always amused by the State of Jefferson folks who want to secede from Califpenis and Oregon. I say let them go. What are they going to use for a tax base? And since most of the taxes come from the large populations in Portland, LA and SF, do they think those taxpayers are going to give them all the expensive equipment used to plow the snow? Who will pay for svhools, road, police, fire suppression and infrastructure? These folks are already dependent on the rest of us. Just like the Bundy bozos who took over Malheur, all on some form of government assistance while the rest of us work to provide for our families.
Most of Oregon is an absolute dump thanks to your governor Kate Brown. Only a very small part of it is even worth the money they paid for it.
If you were "most" of Oregon, you would have more votes😂
Unfair? Bet they won't complain about Wyoming getting 2 US Senators and California getting 2 US Senators... 2 Wyoming senators represent 578K Americans, 2 California senators represent 39.4 million Americans...
These wacky cities such as Portland, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York need to have laws dedicated to the issues there without affecting the remainder of the state. Laws passed for cities have no place for rural areas of the state.
Eastern Oregonian here and I do not want to be an Idahoan. My values match just fine with Western Oregon. Don’t make me move because you’re unhappy.
The part of this that upsets me is I'm on the wrong side of the line for this fix. I've lived in the valley around 55 years and am sick of the crap they pull.
so complain
@@nicholasthompson7690 Complaining does little, I've gone far beyond that.
Like what? Have you bothered to get involved in politics, to fix the situation? Or do you just spend your time crying on RUclips? You might be surprised how few people actually participate in politics, and surprisingly, it does make a difference. I get sick of all this they, them, and I'm oppressed nonsense, typically coming from the right.
@Bobsyouruncle I spent a bunch of time on recall work, not that it's any of your damned business. I get sick of all you dem's holy than thou attitude too. So why are you here complaining about the right if you're so tired of people complaining on YT. Look within, hypocrite.
@@dmsentra Good for you, you got involved. And I'm not holier than you, and I don't have an attitude. Best lose that chip that you're dragging around; it'll likely give you an ulcer. If you really don't care for Oregon, the obvious solution is to sell your valuable Oregon real estate and use it to finance a nice little place in Idaho-- which you seem to love. I left Idaho a long time ago, and I don't want to go back.
I`ve never heard talk of it, but my state of Kansas is the same way. We have a little over a hundred counties, and about 97 of them vote differently than the other five do. Those 5 or 6 just happen to have fairly large colleges, or they have the jobs where the students go after graduation. The lives and the viewpoints of those few counties are about as opposite of the other ninety some, as could possibly be. Basically conservative versus socialist. The last time we had this problem was in the early 1860`s, and you know how that went. Almost every state in the union has this same problem which has been caused by politicians, educators, and the media.
There are more people in LA county than the entire state of Kansas. So yeah well populated urban areas in kansas are going to have a greater numbers of voters
Im from Oregon. The political divide in Oregon is real. Easter Oregon is not the same as wester Oregon. Greater Idaho is a good thing.
The problem with any secession is that somebody is going to end up cut out financially. You can talk ideology all day long, but what if the new Oregon decides that exporting diesel fuel across their new state line comes with a 50 cent a gallon conveyance fee? Greater Idaho doesn't have a port to bring in fuel. They don't have refineries to make the fuel from the oil supplies they also don't have. If Eastern Oregonians think their taxes are high now, just wait until what little money DOES come from Portland disappears. A couple of states tried this 1860. Didn't go great for them.
I've lived in small towns and large cities. Life is different obviously in each place but I think it's gone beyond population size and is probably more an ideological issue now. I really don't see it getting better. When one group is consistently able to outvote another, eventually the larger group decides it's not in their interest to even consider the smaller group. There are probably no easy solutions, but as it stands I don't see people outside of Portland getting any concessions that will be satisfactory.
It's a matter of population not consideration. It's funny every one blames the West... They don't think about us. Let's be real. When a vote is placed do you the people in the East "consider" the people in the West? This will not change if Idaho were to take East Oregon. Let's look at it for what it is. These people what to live in a conservative Republican state without moving. If there's a problem in their County the mayor and other state leaders need to do their job as the people in the West can't just fix it for them.
Then move to a state that stands by their politics. There’s more to a state than politics. If that’s what guides you it’s an option for you in a handful of states. I am an Oregonian, and my vote is as valuable here as yours. You wanting to take part of my state because you don’t like that you’re outvoted is too bad. Split up each state by population then. You can have your 25% of each state. I’ll get the liberal addition of land from Idaho then. It’s not one way. The people of each state have spoken, and you’re just upset that you live in a liberal dominant state. Classic conservative to try to circumvent the vote. I’m not giving up my state. That’s just as much my right to that land as you. Even if you presently live there.
Just like the Brexit issue in the UK...people think they see a solution to all their problems on the horizon. But, it is a mirage, and it won't fix things as they believe. Instead, it will surely create a whole new set of problems they have to suffer with for many people in both states. That is how it always works when people with problems look for scapegoats to blame instead of themselves or the inevitable changes that they must adapt to. Losers blame....winners adapt.
As an American from Oregon living in England, I totally agree! 👍🏼
Brexit wasn't the problem, so much that Brexit never really happened.
Yes sometimes they adapt by changing their political arrangements
We have the same exact problem here in Minnesota. Greater Minnesota is red and the bigger cities are blue. The big city passes laws we out here don’t like or care for, we feel like we are on our own and have no voice.
Yes, I was about to post similar thoughts.
But, there are differences with the Oregon problem. And maybe the differences are not so extreme?
Same in Nevada. Las Vegas, aka Sin City, rules over rural Nevada. 2 million in Vegas, 1 million miners and ranchers in the rest of the state.
I was going to say the same, I live in Scott County, right on the edge of the metro area. Scott County has stayed red but it is frustrating to see everything that has gone on since the left took total control of this state in the last election. If I could move I would.
@@MNRick041 I live in BP and see the worst side of dem politics
Help me out here. So we should abide by the minority vote of the state? Sounds like the electoral vote and why this country has the money issue we have. They don’t like it, they can go back to the country they came from. Conservative? They better be driving horse buggies. I’m pretty sure Western Europe will take you back and pay those taxes.
Eastern Washington residents feel the same way about Western Washington and Olympia as Eastern Oregonians but nobody is asking about our story.
Do what the rest of us do when we don't like where we live - move. Idaho is right next door.
This news segment was well done! Bravo! I think it’s important to hear from the Eastern side of my home state. My family has always had a lot of ties to the land in Eastern Oregon. It is beautiful, and in some places desolate. I have lived in the Willamette Valley my whole life, it is a different culture. I just wonder why they cannot become Eastern Oregon, like the woman in the video mentioned. I feel like that makes a lot more sense. I sometimes grow frustrated with everything in the Western side of Oregon, being seen as Portland. This state has a lot of wounds, but I’ll always stick around. It’s my home. ❤️
Some of the worst wounds have been to our forests. All because the politicians wouldn't and still won't listen to the experts that warned them over 30 years ago that our forests would become a ticking time bomb managing them the way they decided to. They shut down most of the logging and devastated the economies of most rural counties in the PNW, not wanting them to continue to log. That has cost us all dearly! All that old growth timber that's just been used to fuel the forest fires. They continue to mismanage our forests while actually being the cause of some of the largest forest fires we've seen. Meanwhile they want to point to climate change as the cause but they're causing some of the worst pollution I've ever seen! I'm also tired of choking on smoke, while that smoke is also choking out the sun in NE OR! We didn't have this when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s.
Non-coastal California has similar sentiments. Coastal California votes blue while inland areas tend to vote red.
The difference is, Sacramento would KILL to retain control over the entire state.
It's just the tired old city vs rural debate. I don't like that Wyoming has the same power in senate as CA with a population 70-80 times it's size.
@@jeremytine Oh, you don't LIKE that? It's how the Senate was designed! Open a book once in a while.
In Congress that state has a grand total of ONE in the house, out of -- no , I'm gonna make you look that one up. :D
And here's one for you Leftists (can't call you Liberal anymore) why can't you just LEAVE US ALONE ? Why do you have this pathological urge to finger-bang the hell out of everyone else's lives that you can get power over? What makes you think that your filthy cities full of violent crime and tent-cities set the right example of how everyone must be forced to live, eh?
@@johnwolf2829 not would, do.
@@jeremytine then move to an actual democrat country. There are plenty to choose from. This is a constitutional republic, purposefully designed to make sure the always more numerous city populations couldn’t steamroll the rural minority.
This is happening in Colorado as well.
As it should be.
California too.
@@stevenhenry5267 what do you mean as it should be?
@@tman8939 remember anyone who isn't way has been brainwashed to think that white supremacy rules the day and letting everything burn is the only way to fight the evil white supremacy monster. Which is obviously complete BS and pretty much the opposite from the truth but it's what many believe
Mormon #DEZNAT agenda, to reform the u.s. into new regions.
We have a bunch of terrorists who in last 5, 6 years have flooded in from Mesa county (grnd junction) into the NE Colorado judicial district and have usurped its power. D.A. was so bold as to run for RE.election on fb, w the use of a mormon bible, book of micah quote.... about
Taking a shred of land,
Making a new mormon kingdom,
With a mormon king,
And he *shall punish everyone not mormon.
That was a blatant attack on our political system, to convert our nation into a mormon based Gov't, thereby erasing the line between church and state.
They go on missions to 3rd world countries?
To *learn TERRORIST TACTICS, bring those home to perpetrate terrorism on our country and its ppl.
Mormons have few affairs, except for the older male pedophiles (n that's acceptable, sexually to grab up the young women) but mormons carry a minimum of a 30% illegal opiod addiction.
And the 30% opioid addicts? Bring behind them the cartels and the MC gangs, all involved in illegal drugs.
That's why we see Biden n Pelosi making nice w Mexico....
See?
Ginny? Wife of scotus justice thomas, imho, her newest cult is #DEZNAT . She bragged publically, " they're going to make clarence 'KING of kings'." A reference to mormon religion having mormon kings & queens, etc..
It's a given. The Dems now are supporting the overthrow of America to convert to a mormon fabric to a new country.
#DEZNAT .
Remove the mormons from D.A. offices, LEO, cnty S O, and Parole & Probation, Jails, n Prisons. Same deal NOW in NE Colorado? As Moscow, Idaho, where the 4 yng kids were slaughtered in a mormon ritual killing for not being wholesome enough.
Mormon Danite killers, cartel trained, Nlood Atonement ceremony w blood let to bleed into the ground, so a soul can get one notch closer to their mormon gods. Not christians...
See?
Why? Because the mormons have one very powerful bargaining chip? And congress wanted n needed it. Mormons in their homes have a years worth of food n supplies. In temples, 10 years worth of food for every mormon. I was urged to pls understand... mormons grocery shop at the mormon food banks for pennies on the dollar...
While america's middle class is crushed by Biden's NEO.LIB program to destroy the middle class for good.
So...
what?
Why?
Because all our pres' have seen our system of govt has failed. But what to do? It took 9.11 dumped on bush n bush2 n cheney1 came up w a slow long coup to overthrow our country. The mormons have the food for a small core group to be fed thru the disaster.
Congress, wh, scotus all 3 branches of our American govt to be shut down w riots like jan6 all over... for safety congress to saratoga,Wyoming, brush creek ranch, where ivanka held 1 of 8 pre.wedding parties n hses rent for $20 thousand - per note. W livestock, and greenhouses already uo n running for years now... congress was supposed to live quietly under liz cheney's hawk wing a homeland security providing protection.
Jan6 showed congress there was no where theyd be safe from the wrath of American ppl. And even if congress's olan to use riots n martial law n mormy constitutional sheriffs - to seize our guns?
Jan6 showed congress they'd never be safe, even if they grabbed our guns. Trumo was not the one promoting a coup? He struck at congress, for their promoting a coup.
The geological disaster coming our way like a freight train? Is casually referred to as global warming, climate change, soft words to label a massive destruction of the physical world. There's not enough food to feed ppl. Ppl are going to die bad deaths of suffering n pain, starving. W no Gov't help. It's too massive. NY few yrs back was begging feds for sand bags as it was sinking...
Wash d c is sinking...
Theres a national fail rate for septics of 50%.
Due to rising water table levels.
They're talking when it hits? Canada's bay of funday flooding down thru michigan n minnesota, washing out the bottom of Lake Michigan and form9ng a massive river w Mississippi, that divides us. Chicago, Toledo, Detroit, New Orleans? All destroyed. It'll make Katrina look like nothing....
Wake up America. Idaho is mormon hell on earth. . Look at how those 4 kids were slaughtered. It is your fate, if you dont stomp on the #DEZNAT movement now.
Wake up. Vote OUT every orev elected politico. Voting a straight blue or red ticket is communism.
This started Rep and they developed a concious. Now Dems have joined in.
It's your life and your kids n grandkids lives at stake.
Pedophile n non.christian n starvation to.punish the non.mormons.
That is your fate if you dont take action.
Now Dem
School Teachers unions are a major cause of this in every state
I feel the entire country is decided just like the East Oregon residents. City folks seem to have lost all common sense.
I'm in Jackson County in Southern Oregon and am with this movement. Our government needs to listen to the people or move the border!!!
How about if we just kick anybody out of the state that was not born in the state. Population in Portland, Eugene and Salem would decrease greatly. Then we might get control of the government. Also make it so you have to have been born here to hold office. I live 25 miles west of Portland. The state don't listen to us either. it is only small special interest groups that get listened to. If it truly had been a majority vote, than a lot of the laws on the books wouldn't exist.
Don't feel so bad they are not talking care of us "city folk" either.
Why should they?
You city folks keep electing the democrats enacting the policies causing the problems.
THEY TAKE CARE OF THUGS AND THEIVES
@@shootshellz - Why shouldn't they? Are they lesser than the rubes?
Would have been good to see a tax revenue breakdown. How they gonna pay for this new Idahoregon?
Mining, ranching.
Idagone already left move now be happy and free like me haha less taxes more freedom and beautiful land with no trash
Oh they're going to have those hard rock conservatives in Northern Idaho pay for it. Shoot, they'll find themselves back on dirt roads in a few years, with the power being down for months. But they will have their Christian theocracy, and make sure that no brown people are going to be around. The bottom line on all this stuff is it's cultural, and it ain't a very nice cultural. That's why they don't want to talk about it, because basically their ideas are unacceptable.
A 99 page study shows Idaho would benefit from the border change and western Oregon would benefit financially as well.
@@WIILIAMHOWELL I've got a 199 page report that shows that Eastern Oregon will descend into the third world levels of poverty experienced by most Idahoans. Seriously, traveling back to Idaho a couple years ago, Northern Idaho specifically, I was struck by three things, first I'd forgotten that everybody waved at everybody else in the rural areas as you drove by them, secondly, it was hard to get out of the grocery store because everybody wanted to chat you up, and thirdly, how poor all the working-class people appeared to be compared to their peers over in Southern Oregon where I live. Nice people but they look like they've been beaten like a rented mule.
Idaho would tax the cr@p out of those Rich Ranchers
If they don’t like western Oregon, then stop taking the money that part of the state gives them! And stop coming to OHSU!
It’s a rural/urban split, it’s also happening in Canada
Canada is still rural af just like Northern most US which is Alaska bruh bruh
As is clear from the comments here, this problem isn't unique to Oregon; it's nationwide. Our country is being run by the big cities, primarily because 48 of our states use "winner takes all" for their Electoral College voting. In many voting cycles, it would be a much different outcome if our states selected our electors by Congressional district votes rather than "winner take all". Eventually, the rural areas are simply going to refuse to comply with the big city edicts, and our current cold Civil War could very likely become a hot American Revolution. I wonder how the big cities will fare when the food produced in the rural area suddenly fails to get to the big city market places.
Ah yes let’s see how rural Americans fare without better medical center and we cut off the water they already take 70-90% of of
@@irvin6846 You clearly have never heard of wells. Rural Americans have them everywhere. And as far as medical care is concerned. we can survive for a few weeks without doctors--how long do you think you can manage without food?
@@richarddexter7641 idk you tell me seeing how Central Valley California makes the most food and votes liberal
@@irvin6846 They still have to ship that food somewhere if they want to get paid. And the truckers aren't going to enter the big cities.
@@richarddexter7641stop being so petulant. The reason cities control the politics is bc there are more people there. One person one vote.
NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO.THERE YOU ARE!😊
A poet
SAID RICK DEES
I guess whats a bit disappointing is that "We went to find out why". It's pretty obvious, even from the Westside.
Why can’t western Oregon just let these people go and let their views and lifestyle be represented? This is why America was founded in the first place.
PA is the same, you look at the voting maps and nearly the entire state is red except for about 4 cities have more population than the entire rest of the state
NY as well. Georgia Virginia etc etc
Cities are Dem trash
Pennsyltucky in the middle...
Majority rules is Democracy in action. But right wingers only like it when they win. GOP likes to say: let's throw out majority rules, so that the (minority), empty counties can overrule the majority(populated) counties. Oh wait, ethnic minorities, women, LBGTQ+ asking for equal representation, is too much right? How dare a minority ask for equal representation!
Almost all of the US is like this, even CA believe it or not. And don’t ever forget it is deliberate.
Illinois is the same way.
Nice to see some actually listening to those of us who hate city politics
Edit: we have the same problem here in WA state, but the divorce will never happen since our governor needs all the tax money he can get his hands on for his pet projects
Look at WA SR12 between Pasco and Walla Walla. One of the most dangerous stretches of highway in the state. Multiple fatalities almost every year. Main commuter route for several large companies, leading to almost a thousand cars extra per day that the highway was not designed to handle. The route has not changed in over 100 years.
The most dangerous section of the highway is finally being re-routed and made into the 4-lane that it SHOULD have been for 50 years now. The COUNTY is footing the majority of the bill to replace this section of a STATE highway.
If this same highway was on the west side, it would be a 4-lane freeway with a bike paths, water stations, and a rest area or two, all paid for with state highway funds.
Tax money flows from Western Washington to Eastern Washington, so a divorce would be really good for us Western Washingtonians in terms of saving on taxes. I'm all for it! Let Spokane fund its own schools.
I'm not sure I want more of my taxes subsidizing Eastern Washington infrastructure, however. A lot of tax money from western washington already goes east to subsidize infrastructure over there. I guess we just have more money, so we pay more taxes that then get redistributed to the poorer eastern part of the state, but still.
@@seanmcdirmid Please either find a different source of information or review how WA tax revenue is budgeted and distributed.
@@kevincrosby1760 was going to say, you think you pay the same tax rate as west WA?!
To see what s happening in Portland is more than enough reason for the good people of central & eastern Oregon to join Idaho.
Same situation in Colorado. The state is hostage to the left, liberal, run Denver and Boulder metro areas. The rest of the state is conservative. I wish there was a way to cordon off these two counties from the rest of the state.
I've lived in places that I didn't like. I moved. The expenses Idaho would entail for purchasing Oregon would be astronomically prohibitive. Especially when the buyers profess to being fiscally conservative. A far cheaper resolution is for Idaho to pay moving expenses to disgruntled Oregonians wishing to become Idahoans.
A scenario that Greater Idahoan advocates ignore is Ashland. Ashland is situated on I-5 and just a few minutes from the California border...... and is very liberal. What message would be conveyed to them? Move? Or deal with the circumstances?
A lot of us on the western side of the state are pretty fed up as well. I might consider moving to the eastern part of the state if this comes about.
Bring the warm clothes with you. 🥶 Might want to bring a little water too. 🌧️
You have that choice open to you now. Move to Idaho and get the real Idaho culture instead of the halfway Eastern Oregon compromise.
Listen 2:00 to 2:15, this is exactly why the electorial college was developed for presidential elections.
Correct, but when the cities are being deliberately stacked, the overwhelm happens anyway.
Same problem for central and eastern Washington. King County rules our state. SO SICK OF IT!!
What about getting rid of mail in voting have a electoral college for governor?
I find it funny they are trying to run to Idaho. Idaho is growing very quickly and most of that growth is happening in the Boise metropolitan area. Within the next few years, it will start to turn very much like Oregon. With the Metroplex of Boise/Meridian/Nampa controlling what happens in the state leaving the rural area out of the system. I do agree the system is broken and needs to be fixed but breaking the state of Oregon in two is not the direction it needs to go. The system in the large city is not working either and its time they get a blend of both sides of Oregon. Make a stronger Oregon not a broken one.
And Boise's mayor is a female Democrat.
Would count of vote from each district or county and the majority then becomes 1 vote to the issue or position. For all counties. Good ideal or not? Instead by population.
You make a very good point.
It’s the loss of moderate politics that has caused so much of this. Inability of people to compromise & use common sense.
@@vallee7966 💯 👆
Why not take Washington and Oregon, from north to south, combine them and split them at the cascade mountains? We in Washington are also conservative and differ from the east side of our state. Basically, split Oregon an Washington the other direction. Instead of horizontal, make the state split vertical. That way, all the lefties can have WA & OR west of the Cascades and be one state and the sane people combine OR & WA east of the Cascades.
Thank God you’re not partisan!
Listen cupcake, it doesn't matter how you feel! That land belongs to Washington State, you can pack up and move, but the State legislature isn't going to ever approve that moving the border, go kick rocks, kid.
@@troywest7045 "cupcake" ?.....so you lefties won't let others that are normal have an opinion! Stay on the west side
They want to be somewhere that aligns with their values. What's wrong with that?
Nothing. It's a free country. They can move.
@@moss787 yeah. Move the border
Chicago? Des Moines? Detroit? Etc... sit on some very rich farm land. It's on sched to destroy those cities[n ppl] to farm food.
What's wrong is that they fail to respect the values of city folk who have their values due to the demands of city life. Both sides need to respect each other's values for being valid for the place they are in. And acreage of dirt does not determine power; individual persons determine power and no single person should have more power that another single person. Majority rules are fair. I suspect that Oregon simply has poor government all around, perhaps because of poor leadership quality.
They can just move.
It's the same way in eastern Washington. The west side has no clue what the east is like, but they control our laws
I'm a north Idaho resident and I support this 100%. Adding more rural counties to Idaho would help us fight the same battle that the rural areas of OR have lost.
Oh good lots of comments from the Nazi gallery
@@charlescook232 People living in cities shouldn't control land they know nothing about.
@@Nate_o_eight unfortunately for you people in the city are more educated and know a lot more about the land than you do obviously just because you live close to some land doesn't make it yours it's Federal and it belongs to all of us. Please stop being so stupid
I’m in Eastern Oregon and no. We would never want to be any other state but Oregon.
United we stand and divided we fall. Stop trying to divide us
Most states have this problem
Nuke the cities
Here's why: Oregon is now (recently) being entirely run by Portland, and the rest of Oregon (outside Portland) doesn't want it.
Actually most of Oregon is cool with it.
Wow, it's like a city with over 60% of the voting population and not spread out counties with far less people are determining the leadership and laws. Fucking crazy...
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 That's a lie.
@@cowsagainstcapitalism347 Cope.
Which area has more voters and humans to represent?
These people have no idea.. they really do feel left out because they are looking for it. I garenty they would won't to come right back if Idaho took them. From minimum wage to sales tax they would be done. Let alone property tax would sky rocket to pay for all the ne land Idaho would have to manage.
Eastern Washington feels the same about Metro Seattle, with the exception of Spokane. Maybe Eastern Ore. and Wa. should have talks!
This is a good example of why I have felt for many years there should be a state version of the Electorial College. Even rural areas of California are much more conservative than most of Americans would believe but their population has no effect on state policies. I’m originally from E Tn and, yes, we also designate which section of the state we’re from when asked because east, middle, and west Tn are so different in our cultures. Fortunately Nashville and Memphis don’t have domination over the rest of us…yet.
You want an electoral college because you can’t win fair elections. What a surprise
It doesn't make since.. you believe 5 people in a 10 mile radius should have the same amount of power of 50 people in a 5 mile radius?
I lived in California all my life... It doesn't matter Conservatives are EVERYWHERE in the city. The reason you will see more Democratic voters in the city is because it's the city! You learn you have to live with all types of racies of people and grow an understanding of different cultures besides yours.. all conservatives in my family don't have a clue or care... That's why they end up as hatfull Republicans.
@@Jeralddoerr The point would be to give the 5 people within the 10 miles and the 50 people within the 5 self determination rather than the 50 people imposing policies on the 5.
@Jerald Right now, the five people have zero representation. They have no one. Then it makes sense for them to be added to Idaho.
Im from Minnesota but have been paying attention to the divide in Oregon for probably 10 years, and I get them, I understand. It's the same thing in MN and everywhere else. One group of people, who don't care about you, makes all the rules and choices regardless of how it affects you.
Yeah... I think everyone feels that way.
Happening in CA too.
I hear what your saying Peter@Peter Angles
Absolutely true. Not only do they not care about you, but they look down on you and think they are superior.
The problem is that both the Oregon Senate and House are based on population, so Portland controls everything. The solution is to have the House based on population and the Senate based on county, each county gets one or two Senators. Then both urban and rural will have a voice, and compromise will be needed to pass legislation.
It was that way until a 1960's SCOTUS decision who basically said that "violated the Constitution" even though that is EXACTLY how the US Senate is, it was a 100% political not legally based decision by a far left majority SCOTUS.
Well, how is that different than if everyone or anyone wanted their own senators so they could do whatever they wanted? What makes (some, at least-obviously not all) of these Eastern Oregon people think they are so different? States are governed by population for a reason.
@@superset7 Like old saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Currently we have absolute power in Oregon. Note that the Federal government has a Senate with equal representation to states to prevent a monopoly on power.
@@dandowning5897 So your saying that eastern Oregon residents don't have enough power?🙄🤣
Why shouldn’t it be one person, one vote, a minority shouldn’t control the majority (though the majority should still think of the minority’s needs)
4th generation Colorado native....There are conservative, rural Colorado folks who live in counties bordering Wyoming who are voicing the same concerns. I stand with them.
Taxation without Representation.
This is the line production dreams are made of. Bravo
To politicians, it's a political game. To the rest of us, it's how we are able to live our lives. Even with absolute power, to be a good steward of the people. You have to care about them. I honestly think they could care less.
Sadly, I agree because in the end that liberal side disdains the values of the rural people.
I'd like to see interviews of other Eastern Oregonians outside of John Day.
@@kathrynann7755 Medford too.
I lived on the East side and I totally agree.....the West runs things THEIR way and doesn't give a darn about the repercussions of the laws they make that affect the WHOLE state.
Excellent point. But then there's always be careful of what you wish for.
@@johnking6252 True in some cases, but liberals are running this great State into the ground....then what will be left to save??
I imagine there is a lot of similar opinions from other towns too, but this video is summing up all of Eastern Oregon from the testimony of a few people in John Day.
I am one of them...I live in Southeastern Oregon and I'd rather be apart of Idaho, I am so sick of the politics of the left-wing party and their one sided voting and the idiots in Portland....and I'm embarrassed about their protection of Antifa.. I don't want to be associated with it anymore...
Time to split! Let Portland go and all the ridiculousness there. Go join Idaho.
I don't live in Oregon but, if I did and no matter where I lived in Oregon, I would definitely vote for joining Idaho. I grew up on a farm and I'm conservative so, I very much understand.
Why not just move? I don't think it's right for a small minority of people to change an entire state just because they don't like the way a state is run.
@@jukio02 Spoken like a true leftist.
@@merrillkingston8807 That's funny, because a phrase I often hear from the right is "if you don't like how this country is run, then you can leave."
This video is wonderful. If city folks watch this to understand what really is going out in the rural areas that would really help to solve this entire situation
They don't give a fuc
I beg to differ, somewhat. City folks might watch and develop a better understanding, but it’s the politicians that will never be convinced.
There’s a book called the 11 nations that talks about how the left coast is the whole part of the land area from San Francisco to British Columbia. Canada west of the cascades in the east of the cascades is the interior West, which is a distinct and holy separate cultural country.
I-5 corridor from Mexico to Canada are all totaly lost
The urban rural cultural divide is the crux of the matter. Educated urban dwellers can believe that they are elites that know what is best for all. They demean those who work with their hands running agricultural, fishing, and logging businesses. Although they know better, they feel deep in their hearts that food and building materials are found neatly prepackaged in stores and that those who buy them there are superior to those who process their own food and building materials. Elected officials enact laws supporting the interests of those who elect them. Rural areas are becoming like colonies benefitting a self identified urban elite majority. If the urban elites will not respect them and also enact laws supporting rural interests, a separation may become inevitable.
As a former Greshamite, I'm SO glad we're in North Idaho.
So are all the people who currently live in Gresham.
Thank you for good reporting on my home state I'm trying to move home I'm a Portland/Tigard woman who wants to move to Pendleton Oregon would love to live in Portland but it's to crazy there
What’s wrong with Tigard?
Ever here of punctuation?? They used to teach it in school. Perhaps you weren't listening??
@@mixedupmenopausaladhd3999 crime is increasing in Tigard according to people I know who still live there. I saw the change in that direction too before I got out. It also is getting too crowded.
The same situation exists in New York State. Hochul won only 13 of 62 counties. Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany and the New York City area counties. She got 85% of the votes in Manhattan and Brooklyn which virtually guarantees a statewide election.
I live in Brooklyn and am one of the 15% who didn't vote for Hochul. I don't even know why I bother to vote since only Democrats get elected in Brooklyn.
Believe it or not I think California is the same. Get rid of LA and SFO and I think you would have a red state. We are controlled by the population centers just as Oregon is. We have 40 acres NE of Sacramento and it is definitely conservative. 5 generations on that ranch
So? That's how it works. She won more votes.
she is from Erie County area
We are in a similar situation out here in Maryland. The primarily conservative Eastern Shore and Western Maryland are completely superseded by five counties. There was a recent push a few years ago where Western Maryland wants to leave Maryland and form our own state and frankly, I'm getting pushed more and more to that side everyday. I love my state, we have such a unique culture here, but I feel like our state legislature wants to essentially push anyone that disagrees with them out of the state.
The situation in your state is not unique. The cure would be for each and every state to have it's own electoral college so that every resident can be properly represented.
Garrett County might as well be part of PA, or WV.
@@adotintheshark4848absolutely not. One person one vote.
@@adotintheshark4848 Why do you people keep pedaling this stuff? The rules don't work for you so let's change them? At the end of the day people vote not land!
Lol
I support this. Good luck, folks.
which part do you support, cupcake?
As a native Oregonian of >70 years, I've known since childhood that *it's **_ONLY_** the current borders that HAVE **_PROTECTED_** the State of Oregon FROM BECOMING AN ABUSED, CONTAMINATED, & WASTED LAND - **_JUST LIKE IDAHO!_*
I grew up as a hunter, born into a hunting family, and it is the dreadful "Me! Me! Me!" attitudes (such as are displayed here, & by another hunter, no less 😖 ) that could completely destroy the beauty that IS Oregon, if allowed to take hold. Such short-sightedness as is displayed here, it just brings me to tears!
This week I haven't enough time to post more, but I'm SO GLAD that folks who DO HAVE FORESIGHT are keeping Oregon intact, and beautiful, too!
Really?
Considering the amount of human waste, garbage, crime, and open drug use in places like Portland, I beg to differ.
he's talking about the majority of Oregon, not portland. Stupid@@BasementPepperoni
Just move to Idaho and let us live free
Idaho has freedom no bureaucratic bull shit no homelessness or drug zombies craping in the fountains and braking windows and steeling cars fun fun
No, thats absolutely not the solution for a fifth generation rancher. It is proof you don't understand the problem, not even a little.
@@bob_frazierSell your land and buy a piece of land in ID to farm on. I moved being a 4th generation Vermonter. If you want it bad enough, YOU take personal responsibility and move.
I mean do you SERIOUSLY think that state lines are realistically going to change and 2 state governments are going to allow the absorption of the minority of voters of one state? Work harder to get your Representatives elected if you want to see change in the OR state government. That’s how representative democracy works. Not some outlandish idea of reestablishing state borders.
@@jeezumcrow8655 Well said. Love it or leave it. Personal responsibility. If it's too hard to make a living in rural areas, do what you have to do to make a living in the cities where it's easier and more lucrative.
How about we go to war and see which side wins instead 🙂
I would like to hear from Western Oregonians on why they think Eastern Oregon should stay with them.
Exactly. They have no other reason than being tyrants.
Idaho has a lower minimum wage, lower wages in general than Oregon, many rural eastern oregonians are at the poverty level earning minimum wage already. Idaho is increasing its sales tax to provide a tax credit for property taxes, from 6% to 7.85% thats just weird money shuffling... Oregon doesn't have a sales tax. Western Oregon has a larger, wealthier population base to supplement the low population, low income counties in Eastern Oregon, but Idaho doesn't have that same population base to support an large influx of infrastructure and population from Eastern Oregon. More Californians are moving to Idaho than they are Oregon.
I live in rural Northern Michigan, and it's the same here. The population centers are very blue and have the votes to favor the cities. Those of us in rural counties are paying (literally) for the cities. Good luck to you all in Eastern Oregon!
I can't speak for Michigan but in Oregon rural counties use more than tax dollars than they bring in
@@Hassingerjeff Correct. The per-person cost to bring civilization (paved roads, emergency services, education, electricity, internet, law enforcement, healthcare) to a place is a lot higher in sparse rural areas than dense urban areas. This notion of rural Oregon counties joining Idaho, if realized, would result in a decline of standards for those places.
You statement about paying for cities is probably why officials do not take your side seriously. You start with a falsehood that does not make any sense. Your life is being subsidized by the cities. It was always the case and the imbalance will get worse as more people move to the cities and the rural areas empty out more. Face the facts first and your city neighbors will gladly consider your legitimate grievances (if you have any).
I live north in Stevens County, Washington where we share the same concerns. The West side of the mountains is completely out of touch with us and our lifestyles. We have limited representation and feel like a bunch of gangsters are running our lives. The liberal governor is despised. I wish the Idaho movement extended this far north. I would support it.
We have the same issue in Washington. But it's mostly King County that decides what happens in Washington, and everyone else is stuck with their decisions.
Speaking as an eastern Oregonian, I support the greater Idaho movement 1000%! If I could sign a paper that divorced us from the other side of Oregon tomorrow, I would GLEEFULLY sign it RIGHT NOW!!!!
Lots of us in SW Oregon want to join also. This came up in a barber shop in Coos county last week and it was 6 out of 8 wanted to join Idaho. Mostly state employees want to stay part of Oregon. I know, very small sample size but it shows almost everyone here is thinking about it too
How would you pay for and sustain services?
Same way they do now.
Why? Why can’t we just make that small metro area their own state?? Oregon needs to be Oregon.
Move Idaho your moron. You mental retardation
As a Portland resident I agree them. It is unfair and clearly Portland is dying.
Being killed.... not just "dying"... ;(
I went there to help a friend pack up and move out of state. Pretty shocking how much it has changed. I used to love visiting as a tourist.
@@LilyGazou Thank Homeland Security for that, it's their job.1st in? DHS promotes instability.
2nd in? Mormons.
3rd in? Mex drug cartels and MC Gangs-
To supply mormons w opioids - their biggest weakness.
California? Look at LAPD & LASO as examples.
And 80% mormon idaho? Has begun 2nd sweep of their LDS #DEZNAT war? Sweep in from East to subsume 2/3rds of east Oregon to access farm lands and Columbia n Snake rivers in Oregon to do home n land grabs & *WATER grabs...
Pressure on wealthy yuppies in Bend & Portland? To drive em out, arrest in court sealed cases to illegally seize properties and to steal in order to auction off cheaply to mormons to own the whole WEST coast w salmon n ocean fisheries, valuable crop n farm lands (think cali n avocados, onions etc... washington orchards, idaho forests for lumber.
All ONLY for mormon LDS #DEZNAT overthrow of America.
Fueled by mormons, enraged by their churches? Into rebelling for a coup. To "punish" n hurt Americans and destroy our nation.
As bill clinton said?
"Essy to think you can easily kick down the old barn [that is America?], but not so easy to build a new one."
Think america.
Step real careful there.
No shootings, no riots.
That wld only feed right into their LDS dirty hands.
@@LilyGazou see? That's EXACTLY what DHS n mormons n Congress wants you to see, think, and do.
See a mess, think you have to move away from the horror, call in your ppl? Pack n blow town.
The *food processing plants? *Dairies? Factories? Train crashes? *FOOD stores closing? Is exactly their war plan, terrorist tactics from 3rd world countries mormons n DHS are utilising to rip America apart.
Think HARDER.
Mormons NEED to be sent back to Utah.
Homeland sec? Prolly time to disband it as it was 100% illegal to start.
Gitmo? Obama was exactly right. Close it down.
We need to step carefully n slowly back into the world spotlight. Drive drugs n cartels back into mexico, mormons back into Utah. On pain of death if no compliance... ;(
Scotus leak slowed riots re ROE?
Jan 6 stopped coup.
We owe Trump an apology. We need to go straight votes?
Exit A.I or else congress will put AI Clones into congress and run off to their new playground in wyoming... while climate disaster strikes? And congress + clones + u.s. are destroyed.
C'mon guys!
I need your help.
To save our nation?
We need to unite together.
One nation under god.
Indivisible w liberty and justice for all.
Goal. Work. Acheive.
United we stand.
Divided we fall.
Be strong.
Be Anerican.
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We have the same problems in rural Ontario Canada the GTA greater Toronto area controls the whole province and they keep giving them more political seats because that is where the greatest population is. They don't need more seats MP they need more front line workers maybe.I refer to it as the new Roam and we all know how that turned out.
Lol what roam are you talking about? Some app?
@@thewhomphlew - Those damn "Roamans" are at it again!
Isn't "giving more seats to more populated areas" how representative government is _supposed_ to work? Why should rural areas with stagnant or declining populations get unwarranted bonuses?
@@thewhomphlew *Rome
@@Zalis116 nope, the minority is not supposed to be steamrolled by the majority. That’s why this is a constitutional republic, not a “democracy” like the miseducated want to claim.
It’s unfortunately against the constitution but I so understand where they are coming from. Best thing they can do is to start to ignore and refuse to implement the crap laws implemented by the legislature. Oregon and CA do that to laws they don’t like that Feds pass so why not do the same on a local level.
PSYCHOTIC Gov Brown and the insane politics of Oregon caused my wife and I to move back to Idaho almost 3 yrs ago now. Back when the C.O.V.I.D. plandemic was still going on and Gov Brown was talking about locking down the state is when we packed up our home and moved back in 2020.
It's not just eastern Oregon that's fed up with the direction of the state. I hear the same frustration here in Grants Pass Oregon.
I also live in Grants Pass and I am so frustrated.
If Eastern Oregon manages to go, I would expect Jackson and Josephine counties to go too.
Southern Oregon want's out also
Maybe you should come out to Eastern Washington and talk with the folks out here. The same sentiment is felt here about the West side ( Pierce, Snohomish, and King counties).
Why? Washington isn't ever splitting up, only someone lacking any common sense would entertain the thought.
Native Klamath County resident now living in San Antonio, TX (retired from the Army in 2009) and I’m stunned what’s happened to Oregon since 1984. I remember the Rajneesh cult, in the 80’s and what happened after their breakup, it impacted the State more than people know. Back in the 70’s I remember people (Oregonians) would stand on the side of Hwy 97 and any cars with California license plates coming into Oregon got a hand full of gravel thrown at them! Then Californians started fleeing their cities after “diversity” became too much for them and sold their inherited house and bought a cheaper home up here then started their crappy voting habits again. Thankfully, most liberals can’t handle the harsh winters on the High Desert and they swiftly move to the west side of the Cascades to live. In 1993-95 I was assigned as one of the Army Recruiters in Klamath Falls and I loved it! I had Klamath and Lake counties as my area which meant a lot of drive time, especially in Christmas Valley, lol. I count myself fortunate to have been raised in Klamath Falls and to watch people suffer because of stupid liberal agendas is beyond criminal to me. And yes, I own guns and won’t be giving up a damn thing.
And who else recalls the “State of Jefferson” initiative? It was started because of similar issues with the State government of each side. So this Idaho Initiative may have some areas in Northern California that’re interested in joining.
Actually, Real Estate spiked in CA in the 1970's, I know, I was living there.
You didn't have to have an inherited Home to clear almost home value in profit.
Also happened to move to Tacoma in late 1970's at the request of the US military...ha ha
I never got rid of my CA state Drivers license BUT my Motorcycle DID have WA state license plates...
You sound nuts
@@fredschnerbert1238 sounds like you’re a common example of what baby boomers did back then. In my 26 years in the Army I’ve PCSed 9 times and I highly doubt you have a valid California DL since living there. Clearly not everyone had an inherited house they sold when moving to a place with less “diversity” and crazy taxes/cost of living. A few years ago california imposed a new fee for any new home construction of $20,000 to connect to any water main and that doesn’t include the cost of installing the pipe and valves. This “greater Idaho” plan is looking better by the day! Liberals have successfully ruined Portland and Spokane, not to mention every other city along I-5 but they just don’t like living in deserts, lol. But nothing I say will make any difference, the damage done is too deep, the country is doomed to implode thanks to liberalism and open borders so I hope you can speak Spanish, lol.
I'd love to live in a quiet rural town, but the country is so divided even if I wanted to find some place quiet and conservative I'd be viewed as someone who might be progressive coming from out of state. We get punished by the urban dwellers and forced to pay for their irresponsibility.
Doesn’t take long to prove yourself. Join the Eagles, have a chat with people.
Need three things when defending your cattle from Wolves, A Rifle, A Shovel and a tight lip.
I always heard it as :shoot/shovel/shut up.
Thank you for this kgw good reporting
THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON IN OREGON FOR OVER A YEAR
We feel the same way in southern Illinois. Chicago rules over the whole state. We have FFA in our small schools down here too. Live a completely different lifestyle that chitcago and the suburbs that are 5 hours away
The problem is that there are enough liberal votes in Portland, Salem and Eugene that Democratic lawmakers can and do completely ignore the voices from the rest of the state and they can do so with utter impunity because the liberal city vote totals so vastly outweigh the rural vote totals that the rural voices can be and in fact are completely ignored.
Urban influence is just as big an issue in Pennsylvania.
Same problem in CA.
100% agree with everything said here... I'll take "old school" any day of the week. I grew up in Portland & glad I escaped decades ago.
It is So Sad that Big City Don’t Give a Bull Poo on the Little People. Maybe instead of a Divorce make two Oregon East / West and one Senator for East one Senator for West. Slip the Congress Two if not Now. Tax Money stays where it Comes From. Again Common Cense. That is All it Take. PS the Goes for Laws and slip there Supreme Court too.
I, as a resident of Oracle Arizona, say "You go Greater Idahoans"! I totally understand their pain. With such a scattered population, they can't compete with all the "progressive, liberal, socialist folks" who reside in the big cities and towns on the coastal part of Oregon. I hope they can prevail and settle this issue in their favor.
But they can move to Idaho, and make a large conservative state all they want, and then they can be happy they have political power. That’s how it works. Plenty of space in Montana.
This is a cringe comment
If only it was a free Country, so they could move! Idiots!