That's how you know he's been in field....i noticed after a few years of hunt outfitting and dogsledding I had become essentially immune to weather lol
The Hague: "Only FMJs are legal. Hollow points and softpoints are inhumane" Fish & Wildlife Agencies: " Only hollow points and soft points are legal. FMJs are inhumane"
Different goal. FMJ wounds are easier to patch if the round doesn't fragment. When hunting game you don't care about patching the wound. This is the reason triangular bayonets are banned while other are still legal.
Another great video! The Extreme Defenders appeared to do a good job. So my question is, If you didn't have to deal with legal restrictions would the extreme defender be a good answer or would you still go with some form of hollow point?
Paul coud you do a review on Hornady 223 rem 55gr tap ammo for home defence and I am going to be honest I want to see what that ammo will do to the meat target.
JHP in the chamber and FMJ top of the magazine for confidence it will feed. Or fmj in the chamber lest you torch it off by accident I don't want a JHP's shredding my leg. Generally I'll load two JHP's and one FMJ. Stagger the order in the magazine and if I have to let 'em fly there's penetration and devastating wound channels.
I was at my local gun range the other day and my daughter called me and I said I am out on the range so please bear with the gunfire. I am watching too much Paul Harrell. Lol
January 2024 and I'm watching the subscriber numbers climbing above 900k. All to honor Paul Harrell who has given us so much entertainment and education. Thank you sir!
What blew me away in my testing of the Xtreme Defenders was that no matter what I put in front of that bullet; sheet metal, rigs, clothing, wood, drywall, and even Level 2 body armor it consistently penetrated all the above and 12"-18" of ballistics gel. Yes, even Level 2 body armor. If ever there were a "magic bullet", this would be as close as we've come.
The reason it c was n penetrate levrl two body armor is due to the extreme velocity of that solid light weight bullet. Tests done on 9mm FMJ at velocities over 1400 fps will evrn penetrate level 3A armor.....stated right on military vests.
You don't see Hickok45, The Panty Marshall or those bearded tacticians making videos while their butts are sittin' in wet clothes. Long live The Harrell
The Stanky Marshall not only stays dry, he stays indoors.....................and just rants rather than shooting. I have no idea what's attracting his subscribers.
@@bigredone1030 Yes, the amount of data and research done on expanding ammo by law enforcement is staggering. There's no excuse for advocating against expanding ammo unless you have an ulterior motive.
@@BloobFace I generally hate going tinfoil hat. But there's no excuse in denying the amount of evidence that shows expanding ammo saves innocent lives.
I was waiting for Paul's response to his statement: "So for those of you who live in ammo restrictive jurisdictions, don't despair... U-haul will rent a moving truck in there as well."
Paul, it amazes me that these jurisdictions that don't allow hollow-point ammunition are so UNINFORMED. Time and time again I see Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) ammunition go clear through long ballistic gel blocks where hollow-point ammunition does not. Clearly FJM poses the greatest danger to those in the immediate and intermediate area of a shooting incident. It amazes me that these local jurisdictions are more concerned with the life of the perpetrator than they are with the lives of the innocent by-standers. And thanks for another very interesting and informative article. Peace, love and happiness to you, your family and crew.
Excellent video. I'm delighted that the xtreme defense "phillips head" bullets made a good showing on the meat target, that's in line with the good showings they seem to make on gel. I use these rounds for carry, and I'm glad they passed the meat test.
I agree, they seem to be a good choice for sure. I carry them in my 380 because they penetrate well, not as much as FMJ would which is a good thing, and they cause more damage than FMJ. They are one of very few 380 loads that stay within 12-18" in gel and do some damage.
Question is can you afford to fire enough of them to know they are reliable in your gun and know where they will hit? That’s the issue with “hyper” ammo. This is why I like HST in boxes of 50 that don’t break the bank.
I've shot enough in the couple of guns I carry it in to feel comfortable with my choice. For smaller calibers like 380 and 32 I think its worth the extra money to have the best self defense ammo I think is out there. For my other carry guns, mostly 9mm and a couple 38s I favor Gold Dots but HSTs are a good choice too.
@@kftc1980 I hear what you're saying. But the fact is that they're not THAT much more expensive than really good, bonded hollow points. I've shot a LOT of them (in 380, 9x19, 357 SIG, 40 S&W, 10mm, and 9x25 Dillon), and I've never had a single problem in (obviously) a variety of pistols.
just for reference this is NJ state law for carry guns. no hollow points allowed. only FMJ is permitted. yet cops are allowed to carry "Defensive" ammunition 🤦♂️ NJ knows nothing about anything firearm related information
Ryan Dewson this is the problem with politicians... they don’t even look at the science based evidence on firearms/projectiles and claim to know everything about them. It’s disgusting.
Too bad the criminals don't pay attention to NJ laws, otherwise it would be a pleasent place to live. Oops, forgot about the excessive taxation with representation there. My mistake.
Nothing is wrong with fmj. In fact, there's a reason why the FBI uses Hornady critical defense flex tip bullets... They guarantee penetration that fmjs offer and expansion that hps offer. At least with fmjs you're always guaranteed the greatest penetration and tissue crush at whatever caliber you're shooting.
I wish I had started watching Paul long ago. I have been around hunting and target shooting since I was 6 years old(I am 56 now) and I still always learn something from Paul in every video. Praying for you brother🙏
Nowat Udoosh Those of us that used to watch MST3K would call that a continuity error when it happens in movies. Obviously Paul is thorough and aware enough to catch such things.
@@kftc1980 all the autistic people I know can't control themselves. With that being said, I should have said some or most autistic people probably shouldn't have guns.
Happy to see this comparison for 9 mm, but would really like to see something similar with mouse guns. The advice you often see with calibers like .32 ACP is to forget about hollow points and stick with FMJ. You can find results with ballistic test gelatin, but it would be nice to see how this works with the meat target. Would the damage with either kind of round be pretty much equivalent, given that you probably won't get much expansion with the hollow point rounds? I use .32 ACP as an example simply because a KelTec P32 is pretty close to invisible as a concealed carry gun.
Paul, we gotta get you a "Shotgun" microphone (pun not intended). I can bear with the gunfire in the background, but there's such a disparity between the volume levels, it's alarming my officemates! EDIT: Nevermind, the closed captions get the job done.
No, you're right on better or more microphones being needed, like one on his lapel just for the spoken narration and retaining the one on his camera which does a phenomenal job capturing the clear, striking reports of gunfire (both his and the other range users).
Thank you for the informative video. In my socialistic area, the local commissar(prosecutor) will charge you with some form of homicide even if it is a justified shooting, just for using any projectile other than FMJ. The reasoning: if you use non standard ammunition it is because you intend to kill your assailant instead of just wounding. I know, that really sounds crappy, but, like you say in your video, local municipalities have their own laws...
I'd contend that it is absolutely ONLY to prevent collateral damage/injury/death to innocent bystanders. (PS, DON'T have any "Punnisher" logos anywhere on your weapon)
Out of curiosity, what does your local jack boots use when they are on duty? I'll bet 10 to 1 that its some sort of HP, and i would be sure to point that out if i was ever on trial.
@@oldcop18 im calling the people that write laws that ban "scary" bullets and demand you use _the worst possible ammo_ assholes. And any law enforcement that arrest people for defending themselves with the "wrong" type of bullet are authoritarian, especially since the odds are good the cops (read jackbooted assholes) are using the same "bad" bullets to defend themselves. If its legal for them, it should be legal for everyone. . . any other "rules for thee but not for me" nonesense leads to thugish attitudes that make them feel above the laws they enforce.
Hey Paul, you don't need to apologize for the way you speak. Some of us need those "Shatner" like pauses so our brains can catch up with all the great info you have.
The FBI's opinion of the Over-Penetration Debate is that it doesn't matter. Their statistics show that in shootings (mostly by law enforcement) only about 20% (if memory serves) of rounds fired actually hit the assailant. The rest miss and go past the assailant. So you are FAR more likely to just miss and hit a bystander, than for a bullet to overpenetrate and hit a bystander. Also, bullets lose nearly all of their energy after passing through a person. So if they did hit a bystander, it wouldn't injure them very much. But if you miss, you hit them with a full powered round. AND again, if you do happen to shoot someone, the likelihood of a round over-penetrating and actually hitting someone, are astronomically low (along with the chances you will ever need to shoot someone at all). So again, it statistically doesn't matter. So if for some reason you need to shoot a baddie who happens to be in front of an orphanage... maybe just, try not to shoot. Try to get another angle on him, as you would in a cross-fire situation. Otherwise, if you need to shoot someone, then it's automatically assumed that the likelihood of him killing someone if you dont shoot, is WAAAAAAAY higher than the chance that you accidentally shoot a bystander.
I live in Texas, Republic of.....and can carry pretty much ANY ammo. I once bought .357 magnum Black Talons at a garage sale.....from a sheriff's deputy.....right in the middle of the controversy surrounding them. God Bless FREEDOM! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
@Anthony Swiss Lol! I know! I never understood what the ruckus was about anyway, level 2 body armor is only effective if you dont take one to the dome, or if it's not a rifle. 👍
Thank you- that was great! Extra lesson: When you can’t use what you really want to defend yourself with, a good Phillips head might just get the job done.
@@buckturgidson1448 idk. I think if somebody came around the corner in my apartment and I stuck a screwdriver in their ear real hard, theyd probably not be much of an issue
Another great video. People need to remember that the knowledge of the laws is our responsibility and not that of anyone else. It is the individual who wishes to use the device, or in this case the ammo, that must make sure that they are not breaking the law and not to rely on others.
Love how "pardon the firearm reports" turns into Paul continuing to film as the rain starts & everyone else packs up & leaves 'cause they're made of sugar & melt when they get wet...
Good information, Paul. I recently bought my first 9mm EDC. I've always carried a 5 shot .44 Spcl loaded with handloads and 215 gr lead SWC. My confidence level was high with accuracy and stopping power. Wasn't pleased with having to go with a small bore handgun for defense but I guess I'm at that age now. Anyway, I was glad to see this video since I am carrying FMJ. Haven't invested in a megabucks box of defensive ammo yet, but at least I can hit my target with the FMJ well enough to eat the center out of the bullseye at 15 yd.
As far as I can tell, only the state of New Jersey bans hollow point pistol ammo (which is still OK for use in your home, and under other limited circumstances not applicable to concealed carry). Did I miss a state? And as far as concealed carry goes in NJ, concealed carry is only legal with a New Jersey Permit to Carry a Handgun, which are rarely issued to the general populace, as there must be a demonstrated urgent necessity based on a special danger to an applicant's life (or you've got serious political pull, of course). In other words fuhgeddaboudit (or become one of the Sopranos)! It's almost as bad as the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. No wonder I moved out decades ago. I hope all 496 of the NJ permit holders issued in 2014 (from a state with 9 million residents) enjoyed this video--I did. However, it might have been more interesting if the 2 cartridges Sig designed just for the P365 (Sig Sauer 365 9mm Luger & 365 Elite Performance 9mm Luger, both 115gr.) had also been used for control purposes.
Let me see -Montana? Oh yeah, what laws? I've tried the Underwood 65gr loads in 357 SIG. They chrono a little over 2000 fps out of my Glock 31C. The porting takes off about 50fps. I've only shot them at cardboard backed paper targets. The interesting thing is they leave large 4 leaf clover holes in the target.
I'm becoming more and more impressed with that Underwood ammo. Consistent penetration and perceived damage and no need for any concern about a hp round NOT expanding. Also looks.to.be a great choice for hp picky 1911s. I dont know why but Sig ammo nosedives on the first round regardless of how the round is chambered.
mrpibb7781 and if you carry a 10mm, their xtreme defender is fast enough to punch through most armor too. Very helpful when considering that mass shooters are very often armored. Also, they're more barrier blind than hollow points so if the target is hiding behind a car or counter (and you know there are no innocents there) you can reliably blast through their concealment.
I'm very interested in 1911 ammo and those Underwood bullets aren't the best feeding wise. They have sharp edges and present a different bullet/ramp angle depending on how the cartridge happens to be turned in the magazine. Not to say that they don't work - they do, just not better than many others. I've had good results with Golden Sabers, they're very round for HP. Same for Gold Dots and Win T&D. But I've found magazines really have a far more profound effect on 1911 feeding than pretty much anything else.
mrpibb7781 It's not the ammo. It's the 1911. Horribly unreliable design. But, also classic, and gorgeous firearms. I wouldn't carry one for self defense. Too many guns out there that RUN.
@@jamiesloan5902 we'll agree to disagree on that one but everyone's entitled to their opinion. I absolutely trust my life to a 1911. Ergos, trigger and accuracy are second to absolutely none. And I've never had a single issue with anything but Sig so seems like an easy choice to me.
@@jamiesloan5902 Any 1911 with a fully ramped barrel should have the same feeding reliability of any other modern handgun. I'll agree that the older style non ramped versions are more picky, but I've still never had any failures I could attribute to that when shooting hollowpoints. I carry a 1911, either an RIA .45 or a Ruger 10mm depending on the situation.
Excellent informative video as always, Thanks Paul. One not so quick note here for anyone who is interested. Always make sure your intended ammo will work in each specific pistol you plan to use it in. Never assume "It worked fine in my other pistol" means it will work in all your pistols. Or any other firearm for that matter. Case in point: I just bought a Springfield Armory XDs .45 mod 2. For this story the Glock G41 Gen 4 is the Glock in question. I use Walmart's bargain basement Federal "Champion" 320 grain FMJ aluminum case ammo in my Glock, without issue. I expected to use it in my XDs without issue as well, but to my amazement the Federal ammo dropped nearly a foot and a half in 30 feet when fired from the XDs. Yes I said a foot and a half, 18 inches drop in 30 feet. I honestly thought something was broken in the new gun, but the gun is actually fine. I switched to Fiocchi then fired my 5 test rounds, and hit approximately 2 inches low at 30 feet. Using Magtech I put 2 of the 5 test rounds fired into the bullseye. I am still experimenting. Other ammunition brands and types will follow, but I will not bore you all with that. This is a true apples to apples comparison between ammunition, but in two very different guns. All the rounds fired were 230 grain FMJ round nosed ball ammunition, no weight differences, no projectile shape differences, etc. as I said apples to apples. With very startling different results. I am not bad mouthing any manufacturer here, just the opposite, it is entirely the guns that make the difference. My Glock put 7 out of 13 in the bullseye and a 4" grouping at 30 feet with the same Federal ammo as proof of this not being bad ammo. The point of this story is to underscore that you must always test your actual pistol, with the actual ammunition you intend to use. If you want to know you are good to go, when you have to be, test with your actual exact combination or you may find you have a real problem at the worst possible time. Any way if you read all that, I wish you well and I hope the story is helpful. Thanks again Paul for all the hard work, it is appreciated.
That's odd, you should contact Springfield about that. I had/have the XDS .45 in both the 3.3 and 4.0 and both of them were/are equally accurate with all of the ammo that I've used.
I've seen good testing of those Underwood rounds in gel, it's nice to see they do OK in the meat target too. Also an interesting video I've seen before was Tim from MAC testing those and some regular hollowpoints through barriers. They did _really_ well in that test, seemed almost completely barrier blind.
I'd be interested to see how that bullet concept does at really really high velocities.They have an 80 grain one for the 30 carbine and a 50 grain one for 32 acp (.311"). I bet the 80 grain pill out of 308 would be smoking (300 blackout, 300 ham'r, any .308" rifle cartridge, hell even 30-30), and the 50 grain out of an sks or ak as well. Be interesting to see if they do more damage, less, expand, break apart, etc.
@@colsoncustoms8994 Ooh. I'd love to see what those Underwoods in 300BLK would do to a meat target. I like how they're kind of fence riders in terms of FMJ and HP. What I'd really like to see is if accuracy suffers @>100m.
Those Philips head bullet's are bad mojo for what's received them 9mm, 45acp and 32 acp.! Tested them. The .32 acp. is a little bada$$ too. Test'm out, they are impressive!
@@kentuckywindage222 I have the 32acp ones in my P32, I haven't seen too many tests on that caliber but I figured worst case they will be as good as FMJ. In 32acp using JHPs is a bad idea, a hot FMJ is better like Fiocchi or S&B. I'm a fan of the 32, I think it's very underrated by most people. For a pocket gun it's a nice caliber.
Most of the cops in my borough carry them for duty now I see they are trying to be courteous to the doctors who have to patch up their " meat targets".
I once saw an episode of _Cops_ from NYC where they pulled a guy over and found a revolver in his car... the officer dumps the rounds out and yells "Hollowpoints! *Cop killers!* "
Hollow points are legal in jersey. It is illegal to carry in jersey unless you know somebody. Out of 1.4 million gun owners in the state, only a thousand have permits. 99% of those people are retired cops, politicians, or judges.
So glad to FINALLY see meat target performance of those Underwood rounds. Have seen about a trillion jello videos but none where we could see something truly useful. Those appeared to do better than some hollow points, which is a surprise to me. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Thanks Paul, great info as expected from you. This one was especially good to see: It validated test results which used of my own version of your meat target. I used your method to test the Underwood Extreme Defender in both 9x19 and 380 ACP. Based on the success of my tests I have been carrying this ammo for the past year. Your test gives me even more confidence in my choice of carry ammo (that included very good results even when fired from my smallest carry gun, a Ruger LCP). I also tested point of impact in my two usual carry guns and they were pretty much true to my point of aim, as they were with my old Federal HST HP rounds (7 and 15 yard distances). I was very pleased with that. Recoil seems softer with the lighter Underwood rounds even though they have much higher velocities. The meat target tells a more, real world story than ballistic gel. You designed an excellent testing media!! Tony
thanx paul. it all comes down to learning to think for yourself.there's lots of variables that's food for thought .and in the pinch,action always wins over hesitation,whether you shoot a 380 or a 10 mm.or larger.we have to be the judges.you have really made good shooters better.
Not concerned about over penetration, it's largely an over blown concern. Don't believe me, look for a single example of a civilian self defense shooting where the threat was shot, and the projectile passed through the threat, and hit an innocent bystander. You maaaaaaaybe will find one obscure example, maybe. I never have found a single one.
Look at police shootings, plenty of through and throughs. I just watched one with a hand gun, where both shots went through and one ricocheted and ended up in a dorm room, didn't hit anyone. As a civilian I won't get a free get out of jail card. So yes, over penetration can certainly be an issue for some of us.
There was a woman who shot the criminal 6 times with a 38 and he still ran out of the house and didn't die. 6 shots of round nose FMJ....It is all about placement of the round...
That was really surprising. I would have assumed the results would have been exactly opposite. Thank You Paul. I do love some practical proof and undeniable facts.
@@jamiesloan5902 I using years of preconceived ideas about bullet shape and penetration, felt that the exposed core would expand the most... the bullet made of a solid metal with a shaped tip would penetrate like a AP round.
I like what I've seen from the Underwood boutique series. ;-} How do these Underwood rounds compare to the "Xtreme Cavitator" from Lehigh Defense? BTW, Paul, nice jacket.
Paul - could you do some videos comparing bullets of same type and caliber but different WEIGHTS and the pros and cons of each for their use for personal protection? Specifically 357 Magnum - 125 grains vs 158 grains?
Paul , could you do a comparison of different .44 Magnum bullet styles JHP vrs FMJ vrs Hard Cast Lead in short barrelled revolvers on simulated Grizzly bear skull and shoulder hits? Something for us who occasionally operate in Grizzly country.
With all the comment battles on whether the infamous phillips head screwdriver bullets are what they purport to be, this was one of the tests I've been looking forward to the most. Good vid.
Granted, expansion is a plus. BUT...In my sleepy little home town, there was a murder. It stands out in my mind because I was around 8 years old and this was big news since it was the first time such a thing had happened in my lifetime. The weapon that dropped one man like a sack of potatoes and put another in the hospital for a couple of weeks? 25 ACP., fired from the typical pocket pistol. I'm NOT saying that should be the cartridge/firearm of choice for personal defense, but those who seem to think a 9mm that doesn't expand isn't serious medicine have there heads in their rectal cavity. With the recent 9mm fanaticism, the numbers may well have changed. But I recall when the caliber used in the most fatal shootings every year was the 22RF. Keep that in mind, all who think someone shot with a 9mm non-expanding bullet "won't miss a day's work" as someone commented.
I would totally buy a sweatshirt that said, "High Tech Fleece Bullet Stop."
YES! Me too!!
@@cjmvejby I second this. People might get the wrong idea from "Meat Target."
With a strategically placed pouches for a chest and back plate on the inside, just for kicks.
I could never tell if it was "fleece" or "police."
Ditto
As if you thought Friday couldn't get any better... then Paul drops 8 minutes of wisdom on you. Thumbs up!
Juan C Salinas He's just a nerd, not "what you'd call an expert" ....so his opinion doesn't matter
It's a Friday, that I'm watching this video, in 2021. New Years eve.
I love how he just doesn't register weather and sticks with the programme :D
That's how you know he's been in field....i noticed after a few years of hunt outfitting and dogsledding I had become essentially immune to weather lol
He lives in Oregon. It doesn't take long before you ignore any rain less than "monsoon".
Awe my favorite gun channel in the morning perfect way to start the day.
👍🏻👍🏻. I still learning and enjoying. Thanks Paul.
The Hague: "Only FMJs are legal. Hollow points and softpoints are inhumane"
Fish & Wildlife Agencies: " Only hollow points and soft points are legal. FMJs are inhumane"
Hague -> ignorant anti-gun political types
F&W -> informed with practical knowledge
Different goal. FMJ wounds are easier to patch if the round doesn't fragment. When hunting game you don't care about patching the wound. This is the reason triangular bayonets are banned while other are still legal.
Feel like the camera work or camera quality improved here.
Love all your stuff, keep it up!!
*The new "TUI" ( tumble Upon Impact" )rounds from Fort Scott might fill the bill- I would love to see their effect on the meat target!!!!*
Paul already tested Ft Scott. It was not much improvement over FMJ. Stick with the Underwood for a defensive round!
Another great video! The Extreme Defenders appeared to do a good job. So my question is, If you didn't have to deal with legal restrictions would the extreme defender be a good answer or would you still go with some form of hollow point?
I would not have guessed that! Thank you for the enlightening video!! :-)
I was really impressed with the underwood ammo. Who would have thought a high velocity screw driver would have such an effect?
Very informative. Thanks for this topic.
I need to test the Polycase ARX for this... Can I borrow a meat target and a new and improved high tech fleece bullet stop?
Thanks for expanding my knowledge, your point wasn’t hollow.
Excellent comment.
Paul coud you do a review on Hornady 223 rem 55gr tap ammo for home defence and I am going to be honest I want to see what that ammo will do to the meat target.
JHP in the chamber and FMJ top of the magazine for confidence it will feed. Or fmj in the chamber lest you torch it off by accident I don't want a JHP's shredding my leg. Generally I'll load two JHP's and one FMJ. Stagger the order in the magazine and if I have to let 'em fly there's penetration and devastating wound channels.
Good stuff man!
I clicked faster than Paul Harrell can do a crouching draw with a .38 special in a plad blazer.
That's pretty damn fast man.
But can you double click and keyhole the target?
IT’S PLAID
@@supercarnitas I didn't even notice the typo. Funny how the mind can read better than the eye.
@@supercarnitas 😂
I was at my local gun range the other day and my daughter called me and I said I am out on the range so please bear with the gunfire. I am watching too much Paul Harrell. Lol
No such thing as "too much Paul Harrell"
@@Dave-Shearer 👍
Some say that even when off the range, Paul is followed by an aura of distant, echoing gunfire...
My son thinks I feed him orange lung tissue.
Lol.
Now that Paul is gone I''m re-watching these older videos and really paying attention and learning from him. RIP. Thank you, Paul.
Memento Mori. Time takes us all.
Paul lives on through these videos and the knowledge he's given us.
January 2024 and I'm watching the subscriber numbers climbing above 900k. All to honor Paul Harrell who has given us so much entertainment and education. Thank you sir!
"I fired five rounds but I dropped one"
I like that honesty
Tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself...
Well PUNK, Did I fire five or 4, DO You feel LUCKY? WELL DO YA! 😆
A man's gotta know his limitations.
He ment he dropped the projectile on the ground. He made all 5 shots.
@@hectorvazquez4528 we all got that part dude.
What blew me away in my testing of the Xtreme Defenders was that no matter what I put in front of that bullet; sheet metal, rigs, clothing, wood, drywall, and even Level 2 body armor it consistently penetrated all the above and 12"-18" of ballistics gel. Yes, even Level 2 body armor. If ever there were a "magic bullet", this would be as close as we've come.
Might have something to do with the fluted leading edge and the sectional density of the projectile. But this is purely conjecture.
If you have no concern about over penetration.
The reason it c was n penetrate levrl two body armor is due to the extreme velocity of that solid light weight bullet.
Tests done on 9mm FMJ at velocities over 1400 fps will evrn penetrate level 3A armor.....stated right on military vests.
Same here. I carry the 120 gr 45 Super load.
I carry 90g Extreme Defender 9mm at 1400fps. Also rotate round with 50g Civil Defense and a fmj after 6 rounds.
We seriously need some t-shirts. I vote for:
"You Be The Judge"
"Not bad at all..."
1. "That's A LOT MORE"
2. "Just as powerful!"
3. "What-if Brigade"
"Please bear with gunfire that you may hear in the background" would be my choice!
I have a vinyl heat press...pretty easy to make T's with whatever I want since I also I have a vinyl cutter. Heck, I can make window stickers too.
Karl Hoegle
That's a South Chicago tee shirt if there ever was one.
“The only damage is 9mm holes in our meat target.” That lucky bastard. He won’t even miss a day of work.
Mondays am i right?
You really believe that???
@@mothman-jz8ug It's a joke, you fucking yutz.
Lying Figure the office?
You don't see Hickok45, The Panty Marshall or those bearded tacticians making videos while their butts are sittin' in wet clothes. Long live The Harrell
The Stanky Marshall not only stays dry, he stays indoors.....................and just rants rather than shooting. I have no idea what's attracting his subscribers.
@@ORflycaster For real... He goes out for the day a comes home frustrated that he didn't have to shoot anyone and rants lol
Well, Hickok's clothes are wet from sweat sometimes...
Hickok's range is in his front yard. He can wait till it stops raining.
@@ORflycaster Its like watching a train wreck. You can't look away.
"We banned expanding ammo."
Translation: "We want collateral damage so we can have an excuse to ban guns."
You can call them evil but you can't call them dumb.
@@bigredone1030 Yes, the amount of data and research done on expanding ammo by law enforcement is staggering.
There's no excuse for advocating against expanding ammo unless you have an ulterior motive.
Nice right wing paranoia.
@@BloobFace I generally hate going tinfoil hat. But there's no excuse in denying the amount of evidence that shows expanding ammo saves innocent lives.
shy narcissist Eww a liberal. Why are you here? Arent you and your 12 friends supposed to be at the bernie rally?
I miss the hot days of watermelon lung tissue🇺🇸🌞🔫
Maybe the oranges are typical of a chain smoker's lungs.
Lifted_Above LoL 🚬😵💨💨💨😳💨💨💨💨💨
Never found any much wrong with a handful of orange. But melons are dandy.
"Honey, where are the pork chops I had thawing out in the refrigerator?"
Just tenderising them dear!
"Bullet holes! No, no, no, those are 'speed holes', makes it cook faster!"
"Uh, the dog ate 'em."
I do wonder what Paul does with used meat? Dog food?
@@jasonswiatkowski9127 he has two 100+lb dogs. They (obviously) eat pretty well!
BTW, if you have captions on, every time Paul shoots the captions read "applause." Just a fun fact.
Sometimes it will show up as "music" I love it
It also refers to it as the “me target” at least once.
That’s funny.
Should I not be clapping, then?
I'm so disappointed. 😫
RUclips in all it's glory will not allow me to like anymore comments on this video. If you are reading this RUclips, bite me!
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How do you get this early to a Paul Harrell video??
You be the judge...
Shatner-esque.................... *pauses*
No fella you didn't
@The Shooting Nerd yeah that's it
@@GeauxRilla it said "uploaded 16 seconds ago"
Is that enough to make a difference? Let's see what the meat target says....
@@michaelsorenson3887 guess that one went over your head. Perhaps you have to much significant damage to your lung tissue to get this reference.
I was waiting for Paul's response to his statement: "So for those of you who live in ammo restrictive jurisdictions, don't despair... U-haul will rent a moving truck in there as well."
When Paul talks about the meat target, he reminds me of my waiter at a restaurant describing the daily special.
Paul Harrell's RUclips channel is the only gun channel I watch while wearing ear and eye protection.
Wow that shot starting from 6:34 is just gorgeous. The light and the trees... makes one just want to go out and camp for a weekend 😅
You'll have to bear with the gunfire.
There’s no replacement for shot placement.
Absolutely one of the most educational channels on RUclips by far, excellent content here 👍 👍👍 👍👍 👍👍 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸☠️🔫 ☠️🔫 ☠️
Paul, it amazes me that these jurisdictions that don't allow hollow-point ammunition are so UNINFORMED. Time and time again I see Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) ammunition go clear through long ballistic gel blocks where hollow-point ammunition does not. Clearly FJM poses the greatest danger to those in the immediate and intermediate area of a shooting incident. It amazes me that these local jurisdictions are more concerned with the life of the perpetrator than they are with the lives of the innocent by-standers.
And thanks for another very interesting and informative article. Peace, love and happiness to you, your family and crew.
Fine print on Paul Harrel’s invitation to his Barbecue Picnic reads:
“Meat may contain lead”
Best firearms videos on the Internet.
Excellent video. I'm delighted that the xtreme defense "phillips head" bullets made a good showing on the meat target, that's in line with the good showings they seem to make on gel. I use these rounds for carry, and I'm glad they passed the meat test.
I agree, they seem to be a good choice for sure. I carry them in my 380 because they penetrate well, not as much as FMJ would which is a good thing, and they cause more damage than FMJ. They are one of very few 380 loads that stay within 12-18" in gel and do some damage.
I will echo that reply as I too use these in my EDC
Question is can you afford to fire enough of them to know they are reliable in your gun and know where they will hit? That’s the issue with “hyper” ammo. This is why I like HST in boxes of 50 that don’t break the bank.
I've shot enough in the couple of guns I carry it in to feel comfortable with my choice. For smaller calibers like 380 and 32 I think its worth the extra money to have the best self defense ammo I think is out there. For my other carry guns, mostly 9mm and a couple 38s I favor Gold Dots but HSTs are a good choice too.
@@kftc1980 I hear what you're saying. But the fact is that they're not THAT much more expensive than really good, bonded hollow points. I've shot a LOT of them (in 380, 9x19, 357 SIG, 40 S&W, 10mm, and 9x25 Dillon), and I've never had a single problem in (obviously) a variety of pistols.
Thanks for making the non hollow point ammo in your carry gun video.
Am I the only one who clicks like as soon as the page comes up?
No you are not!
Yes
Nope
Be careful, Google might be able to track that and cancel it. I wouldn't trust them.
What would a Paul Harrell vid be WITHOUT the sound of gunfire in the background?
He claims it's gunfire in the background to distract us from the truth, it's his testosterone popping.
Audible
just for reference this is NJ state law for carry guns. no hollow points allowed. only FMJ is permitted. yet cops are allowed to carry "Defensive" ammunition 🤦♂️ NJ knows nothing about anything firearm related information
Isn't much of anything firearms related that's legal in NJ.
Ryan Dewson this is the problem with politicians... they don’t even look at the science based evidence on firearms/projectiles and claim to know everything about them. It’s disgusting.
Too bad the criminals don't pay attention to NJ laws, otherwise it would be a pleasent place to live. Oops, forgot about the excessive taxation with representation there. My mistake.
Nothing is wrong with fmj. In fact, there's a reason why the FBI uses Hornady critical defense flex tip bullets... They guarantee penetration that fmjs offer and expansion that hps offer. At least with fmjs you're always guaranteed the greatest penetration and tissue crush at whatever caliber you're shooting.
Then a handgun chambered in 50 GI would be my choise.
I wish I had started watching Paul long ago. I have been around hunting and target shooting since I was 6 years old(I am 56 now) and I still always learn something from Paul in every video.
Praying for you brother🙏
He's still here with us.
I'm a fan of the Underwood Xtreme Defender and Hunter lines.
I had to sit down when Paul gave the thumbs-up to that "hyper ammo." Kind of a shock to the system.
"This is Paul Harrell, welcome to his shire.".... lol
Harrellshire
I knew his "shire" reference would be caught. As well as the dropped bullet explanation and the relocated table. PH subscribers are a sharp lot.
@@bigal2696. And retard penetration. It's infantile, I know. But I still heard it
I can't believe his lapel stayed that way through the whole video, obviously his Wife or Mom wasn't filming.
"Now I had to move the table due to the sun glare."
Ah good. Paul understands my autism. I'd NEED TO KNOW.
Nowat Udoosh Those of us that used to watch MST3K would call that a continuity error when it happens in movies. Obviously Paul is thorough and aware enough to catch such things.
My brother
Autistic people shouldn't own guns
NINORC SINNED Why not? Sounds like you and Beto could enjoy a beer together.
@@kftc1980 all the autistic people I know can't control themselves. With that being said, I should have said some or most autistic people probably shouldn't have guns.
Happy to see this comparison for 9 mm, but would really like to see something similar with mouse guns. The advice you often see with calibers like .32 ACP is to forget about hollow points and stick with FMJ. You can find results with ballistic test gelatin, but it would be nice to see how this works with the meat target. Would the damage with either kind of round be pretty much equivalent, given that you probably won't get much expansion with the hollow point rounds? I use .32 ACP as an example simply because a KelTec P32 is pretty close to invisible as a concealed carry gun.
When I carried .32ACP I had great results with win. Silvertips. Just a thought. You be the judge...
Paul, we gotta get you a "Shotgun" microphone (pun not intended). I can bear with the gunfire in the background, but there's such a disparity between the volume levels, it's alarming my officemates!
EDIT: Nevermind, the closed captions get the job done.
No, you're right on better or more microphones being needed, like one on his lapel just for the spoken narration and retaining the one on his camera which does a phenomenal job capturing the clear, striking reports of gunfire (both his and the other range users).
Thank you for the informative video. In my socialistic area, the local commissar(prosecutor) will charge you with some form of homicide even if it is a justified shooting, just for using any projectile other than FMJ. The reasoning: if you use non standard ammunition it is because you intend to kill your assailant instead of just wounding. I know, that really sounds crappy, but, like you say in your video, local municipalities have their own laws...
I'd contend that it is absolutely ONLY to prevent collateral damage/injury/death to innocent bystanders.
(PS, DON'T have any "Punnisher" logos anywhere on your weapon)
Out of curiosity, what does your local jack boots use when they are on duty? I'll bet 10 to 1 that its some sort of HP, and i would be sure to point that out if i was ever on trial.
@@DH-xw6jp Jack Boots . . . What kind of BS remark supposed to represent?
@@oldcop18 im calling the people that write laws that ban "scary" bullets and demand you use _the worst possible ammo_ assholes.
And any law enforcement that arrest people for defending themselves with the "wrong" type of bullet are authoritarian, especially since the odds are good the cops (read jackbooted assholes) are using the same "bad" bullets to defend themselves.
If its legal for them, it should be legal for everyone. . . any other "rules for thee but not for me" nonesense leads to thugish attitudes that make them feel above the laws they enforce.
Hey Paul, you don't need to apologize for the way you speak. Some of us need those "Shatner" like pauses so our brains can catch up with all the great info you have.
What kinda jerk wouldn't stop shooting for 5 minutes to let *the* Paul Harrell make a presentation?!
Hey, he's wearing a different shooting jacket!
I noticed that too. I'd be interested in which one that is.
Yeah he said he's got a couple
laundry day....
Fall jacket??
Maybe he doesn't like getting the other one wet
Paul Harrell + Friday = good start to the weekend
The FBI's opinion of the Over-Penetration Debate is that it doesn't matter. Their statistics show that in shootings (mostly by law enforcement) only about 20% (if memory serves) of rounds fired actually hit the assailant. The rest miss and go past the assailant. So you are FAR more likely to just miss and hit a bystander, than for a bullet to overpenetrate and hit a bystander.
Also, bullets lose nearly all of their energy after passing through a person. So if they did hit a bystander, it wouldn't injure them very much. But if you miss, you hit them with a full powered round. AND again, if you do happen to shoot someone, the likelihood of a round over-penetrating and actually hitting someone, are astronomically low (along with the chances you will ever need to shoot someone at all). So again, it statistically doesn't matter.
So if for some reason you need to shoot a baddie who happens to be in front of an orphanage... maybe just, try not to shoot. Try to get another angle on him, as you would in a cross-fire situation. Otherwise, if you need to shoot someone, then it's automatically assumed that the likelihood of him killing someone if you dont shoot, is WAAAAAAAY higher than the chance that you accidentally shoot a bystander.
I live in Texas, Republic of.....and can carry pretty much ANY ammo. I once bought .357 magnum Black Talons at a garage sale.....from a sheriff's deputy.....right in the middle of the controversy surrounding them. God Bless FREEDOM! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍
@Anthony Swiss Lol! I know! I never understood what the ruckus was about anyway, level 2 body armor is only effective if you dont take one to the dome, or if it's not a rifle. 👍
Sadly because of the refusal to enforce the border Texas will soon turn blue and there will go your freedom.
@Anthony Swiss Just like the Lefts Propaganda Program against the Scary Black Rifle! 👍
@@1978garfield Not if I can help it! That's why I VOTE. I start at the Local Level, and work my way Up. 👍
If I see a new Paul Harrell video, I stop whatever I'm doing and watch it. Every time...
Paul, what do you do with all the leftover target material? Pork and oranges are still good to eat and the fleece still makes good blankets.
Thank you- that was great! Extra lesson: When you can’t use what you really want to defend yourself with, a good Phillips head might just get the job done.
Use one of those new metal straws.
Blood drain port.
Hamlet Fortinbras Only if you can stab at 1,200 feet per second.
@@buckturgidson1448 idk. I think if somebody came around the corner in my apartment and I stuck a screwdriver in their ear real hard, theyd probably not be much of an issue
Graham Lopez Lol, yes I’m sure that would activate the OFF switch!
@willis white - I was thinking of something closer to 1550 FPS at the muzzle (did Paul use the chronograph this episode?).
Another great video.
People need to remember that the knowledge of the laws is our responsibility and not that of anyone else. It is the individual who wishes to use the device, or in this case the ammo, that must make sure that they are not breaking the law and not to rely on others.
I honestly started liking your videos because you found a way to bring the word "shire" into a gun video. Respect.
Wait it said you just uploaded this video 1 minute ago. Turns out its been up for 3 days. RUclips is going to crap.
Wish they would, already....
Watching this in my Calculus class right now lol
Trust me, you'll learn more from one of Paul's vids than you will in today's Calc class!!
Watching on the train after helping a senior relative with housework, heh.
It would be Hilarious if you were in a Physics class!👍
Calc is completely useless to 99% of the population so you're probably better off watching this anyway
@@MikkellTheImmortal Calculus to help you determine the arc of trajectory of your rounds.
Lehigh defense combined with Underwood is a win every time
He is actually doing this video in the middle of an active range
"Just shoot around me guys!"
Please. Paul simply wills the bullets to change their course in mid-flight.
I love that someone's dog is funnier than most other people.
Love how "pardon the firearm reports" turns into Paul continuing to film as the rain starts & everyone else packs up & leaves 'cause they're made of sugar & melt when they get wet...
Good information, Paul. I recently bought my first 9mm EDC. I've always carried a 5 shot .44 Spcl loaded with handloads and 215 gr lead SWC. My confidence level was high with accuracy and stopping power. Wasn't pleased with having to go with a small bore handgun for defense but I guess I'm at that age now. Anyway, I was glad to see this video since I am carrying FMJ. Haven't invested in a megabucks box of defensive ammo yet, but at least I can hit my target with the FMJ well enough to eat the center out of the bullseye at 15 yd.
Thanks Paul! I've been wondering about this :)
45 acp built its reputation on fmj ball
1:24
Not in Texas. We enthusiastically encourage it.
Cause texas is "the shit"
As far as I can tell, only the state of New Jersey bans hollow point pistol ammo (which is still OK for use in your home, and under other limited circumstances not applicable to concealed carry). Did I miss a state? And as far as concealed carry goes in NJ, concealed carry is only legal with a New Jersey Permit to Carry a Handgun, which are rarely issued to the general populace, as there must be a demonstrated urgent necessity based on a special danger to an applicant's life (or you've got serious political pull, of course). In other words fuhgeddaboudit (or become one of the Sopranos)! It's almost as bad as the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. No wonder I moved out decades ago. I hope all 496 of the NJ permit holders issued in 2014 (from a state with 9 million residents) enjoyed this video--I did. However, it might have been more interesting if the 2 cartridges Sig designed just for the P365 (Sig Sauer 365 9mm Luger & 365 Elite Performance 9mm Luger, both 115gr.) had also been used for control purposes.
There are also municipalities and foreign countries.
The wise man has spoke again. Best video that I have seen of Paul in awhile. He is back doing what he does well.
This guy always has something fun in those pockets
Let me see -Montana? Oh yeah, what laws? I've tried the Underwood 65gr loads in 357 SIG. They chrono a little over 2000 fps out of my Glock 31C. The porting takes off about 50fps. I've only shot them at cardboard backed paper targets. The interesting thing is they leave large 4 leaf clover holes in the target.
I use the same load in my Sig Sauer P226. Great stuff!
Those in a glock 31 will penetrate through many hard barriers I have a vid showing the 65s penetrating various barriers.Amazing projectile.
Ahhhh. Friday again. Love starting the weekend celebration with a BANG! Yeah, that is terrible... but I stand by it.
I'm becoming more and more impressed with that Underwood ammo. Consistent penetration and perceived damage and no need for any concern about a hp round NOT expanding. Also looks.to.be a great choice for hp picky 1911s. I dont know why but Sig ammo nosedives on the first round regardless of how the round is chambered.
mrpibb7781 and if you carry a 10mm, their xtreme defender is fast enough to punch through most armor too. Very helpful when considering that mass shooters are very often armored. Also, they're more barrier blind than hollow points so if the target is hiding behind a car or counter (and you know there are no innocents there) you can reliably blast through their concealment.
I'm very interested in 1911 ammo and those Underwood bullets aren't the best feeding wise. They have sharp edges and present a different bullet/ramp angle depending on how the cartridge happens to be turned in the magazine. Not to say that they don't work - they do, just not better than many others.
I've had good results with Golden Sabers, they're very round for HP. Same for Gold Dots and Win T&D.
But I've found magazines really have a far more profound effect on 1911 feeding than pretty much anything else.
mrpibb7781 It's not the ammo. It's the 1911. Horribly unreliable design. But, also classic, and gorgeous firearms. I wouldn't carry one for self defense. Too many guns out there that RUN.
@@jamiesloan5902 we'll agree to disagree on that one but everyone's entitled to their opinion. I absolutely trust my life to a 1911. Ergos, trigger and accuracy are second to absolutely none. And I've never had a single issue with anything but Sig so seems like an easy choice to me.
@@jamiesloan5902 Any 1911 with a fully ramped barrel should have the same feeding reliability of any other modern handgun. I'll agree that the older style non ramped versions are more picky, but I've still never had any failures I could attribute to that when shooting hollowpoints. I carry a 1911, either an RIA .45 or a Ruger 10mm depending on the situation.
Excellent informative video as always, Thanks Paul.
One not so quick note here for anyone who is interested. Always make sure your intended ammo will work in each specific pistol you plan to use it in. Never assume "It worked fine in my other pistol" means it will work in all your pistols. Or any other firearm for that matter.
Case in point: I just bought a Springfield Armory XDs .45 mod 2. For this story the Glock G41 Gen 4 is the Glock in question. I use Walmart's bargain basement Federal "Champion" 320 grain FMJ aluminum case ammo in my Glock, without issue. I expected to use it in my XDs without issue as well, but to my amazement the Federal ammo dropped nearly a foot and a half in 30 feet when fired from the XDs. Yes I said a foot and a half, 18 inches drop in 30 feet. I honestly thought something was broken in the new gun, but the gun is actually fine.
I switched to Fiocchi then fired my 5 test rounds, and hit approximately 2 inches low at 30 feet.
Using Magtech I put 2 of the 5 test rounds fired into the bullseye.
I am still experimenting. Other ammunition brands and types will follow, but I will not bore you all with that. This is a true apples to apples comparison between ammunition, but in two very different guns. All the rounds fired were 230 grain FMJ round nosed ball ammunition, no weight differences, no projectile shape differences, etc. as I said apples to apples. With very startling different results. I am not bad mouthing any manufacturer here, just the opposite, it is entirely the guns that make the difference. My Glock put 7 out of 13 in the bullseye and a 4" grouping at 30 feet with the same Federal ammo as proof of this not being bad ammo.
The point of this story is to underscore that you must always test your actual pistol, with the actual ammunition you intend to use. If you want to know you are good to go, when you have to be, test with your actual exact combination or you may find you have a real problem at the worst possible time.
Any way if you read all that, I wish you well and I hope the story is helpful. Thanks again Paul for all the hard work, it is appreciated.
That's odd, you should contact Springfield about that. I had/have the XDS .45 in both the 3.3 and 4.0 and both of them were/are equally accurate with all of the ammo that I've used.
I've seen good testing of those Underwood rounds in gel, it's nice to see they do OK in the meat target too. Also an interesting video I've seen before was Tim from MAC testing those and some regular hollowpoints through barriers. They did _really_ well in that test, seemed almost completely barrier blind.
I'd be interested to see how that bullet concept does at really really high velocities.They have an 80 grain one for the 30 carbine and a 50 grain one for 32 acp (.311"). I bet the 80 grain pill out of 308 would be smoking (300 blackout, 300 ham'r, any .308" rifle cartridge, hell even 30-30), and the 50 grain out of an sks or ak as well. Be interesting to see if they do more damage, less, expand, break apart, etc.
That bullet has been quite impressive in every test I've seen on it. It's nearly barrier blind and seems to be very consistent penetration wise.
@@colsoncustoms8994 Ooh. I'd love to see what those Underwoods in 300BLK would do to a meat target. I like how they're kind of fence riders in terms of FMJ and HP. What I'd really like to see is if accuracy suffers @>100m.
Those Philips head bullet's are bad mojo for what's received them 9mm, 45acp and 32 acp.! Tested them. The .32 acp. is a little bada$$ too. Test'm out, they are impressive!
@@kentuckywindage222 I have the 32acp ones in my P32, I haven't seen too many tests on that caliber but I figured worst case they will be as good as FMJ. In 32acp using JHPs is a bad idea, a hot FMJ is better like Fiocchi or S&B. I'm a fan of the 32, I think it's very underrated by most people. For a pocket gun it's a nice caliber.
Once again, xtreme defenders take the win!
Most of the cops in my borough carry them for duty now I see they are trying to be courteous to the doctors who have to patch up their " meat targets".
@@blairbuskirk5460 lol...the damage they seem to do doesnt seem very easy to patch up.
@@blairbuskirk5460 but not quite so courteous to the morticians...
@@blairbuskirk5460 why are cops allowed to use hollows?
@@aliceakosota797 Same reason everyone else does; better wounding and decreased risk of collateral damage.
To everyone asking “where are hollow points banned?” New Jersey, is one of those places. :/
Why am I not surprised?
I once saw an episode of _Cops_ from NYC where they pulled a guy over and found a revolver in his car... the officer dumps the rounds out and yells "Hollowpoints! *Cop killers!* "
@@moosemaimer I would've yelled back at him, "No...BAD GUY Killers....are You a BAD GUY??"
Answer: Pretty much ANYWHERE run by The Leftist Overlords....
Hollow points are legal in jersey. It is illegal to carry in jersey unless you know somebody. Out of 1.4 million gun owners in the state, only a thousand have permits. 99% of those people are retired cops, politicians, or judges.
Excellent advice as always ! Thanks Paul !!
So glad to FINALLY see meat target performance of those Underwood rounds. Have seen about a trillion jello videos but none where we could see something truly useful. Those appeared to do better than some hollow points, which is a surprise to me. Thank you Mr. Harrell.
Off topic: what’s your opinion about the value of 357 mag for law enforcement for barrier penetration v. 9 mm?
Thanks Paul, great info as expected from you. This one was especially good to see: It validated test results which used of my own version of your meat target. I used your method to test the Underwood Extreme Defender in both 9x19 and 380 ACP. Based on the success of my tests I have been carrying this ammo for the past year. Your test gives me even more confidence in my choice of carry ammo (that included very good results even when fired from my smallest carry gun, a Ruger LCP). I also tested point of impact in my two usual carry guns and they were pretty much true to my point of aim, as they were with my old Federal HST HP rounds (7 and 15 yard distances). I was very pleased with that. Recoil seems softer with the lighter Underwood rounds even though they have much higher velocities. The meat target tells a more, real world story than ballistic gel. You designed an excellent testing media!!
Tony
Its not a Harrell video without the rain love the commitment 👏
thanx paul. it all comes down to learning to think for yourself.there's lots of variables that's food for thought .and in the pinch,action always wins over hesitation,whether you shoot a 380 or a 10 mm.or larger.we have to be the judges.you have really made good shooters better.
Not concerned about over penetration, it's largely an over blown concern. Don't believe me, look for a single example of a civilian self defense shooting where the threat was shot, and the projectile passed through the threat, and hit an innocent bystander. You maaaaaaaybe will find one obscure example, maybe. I never have found a single one.
Look at police shootings, plenty of through and throughs. I just watched one with a hand gun, where both shots went through and one ricocheted and ended up in a dorm room, didn't hit anyone. As a civilian I won't get a free get out of jail card. So yes, over penetration can certainly be an issue for some of us.
There was a woman who shot the criminal 6 times with a 38 and he still ran out of the house and didn't die. 6 shots of round nose FMJ....It is all about placement of the round...
That was really surprising. I would have assumed the results would have been exactly opposite. Thank You Paul. I do love some practical proof and undeniable facts.
Larry Thompson Opposite? Why?????
@@jamiesloan5902 I using years of preconceived ideas about bullet shape and penetration, felt that the exposed core would expand the most... the bullet made of a solid metal with a shaped tip would penetrate like a AP round.
Oh I gotcha.
Sometimes I wonder why you don't just shout out:" I am Paul Harrell and you will hold fire for 8 minutes dammit !! "
I like what I've seen from the Underwood boutique series. ;-} How do these Underwood rounds compare to the "Xtreme Cavitator" from Lehigh Defense? BTW, Paul, nice jacket.
Paul - could you do some videos comparing bullets of same type and caliber but different WEIGHTS and the pros and cons of each for their use for personal protection? Specifically 357 Magnum - 125 grains vs 158 grains?
Geez the ammo names are getting out of hand
Paul , could you do a comparison of different .44 Magnum bullet styles JHP vrs FMJ vrs Hard Cast Lead in short barrelled revolvers on simulated Grizzly bear skull and shoulder hits? Something for us who occasionally operate in Grizzly country.
With all the comment battles on whether the infamous phillips head screwdriver bullets are what they purport to be, this was one of the tests I've been looking forward to the most. Good vid.
Granted, expansion is a plus. BUT...In my sleepy little home town, there was a murder. It stands out in my mind because I was around 8 years old and this was big news since it was the first time such a thing had happened in my lifetime. The weapon that dropped one man like a sack of potatoes and put another in the hospital for a couple of weeks? 25 ACP., fired from the typical pocket pistol. I'm NOT saying that should be the cartridge/firearm of choice for personal defense, but those who seem to think a 9mm that doesn't expand isn't serious medicine have there heads in their rectal cavity.
With the recent 9mm fanaticism, the numbers may well have changed. But I recall when the caliber used in the most fatal shootings every year was the 22RF. Keep that in mind, all who think someone shot with a 9mm non-expanding bullet "won't miss a day's work" as someone commented.
With Paul at the range in the rain I was waiting for some silly pajama pants
There needs to be a tee shirt with the description of the meat target....
P O R K C H O P P E C T O R A L
@@EnclaveTrooper1 🤘🤘
And the "don't try this at home, because I'm what they call a professional" spiel on the back!
[Clint Eastwood voice] We're all meat targets, kid.