For me its 124gr HST in my 3.1 inch barrel summertime carry gun, and 147gr HST in my 5.1 inch barrel fall/winter/spring carry gun. Test after test that I've seen those rounds prove to be among the best choices. Thank you for the tests, this information is invaluable to those of us that can't do these tests ourselves.
@@AlaskanBallistics I should have stated this better. That is what surprised me. The fact that they are known to be reliable but this failure to expand happened is disappointing.
My test with 124gr Sig V-crown was excellent. Made me a believer even though I set out to prove it was just a Gucci Ammo. I now use it in all my self defense pistols.
After watching a bajillion ballistic test with so many different defensive ammunitions, weights, and different pressures, about 5 months ago when I got my Springfield Hellcat with a 3-inch Barrel, I had settled on the federal HST 124 grain +P. It was hands down the most consistent and sufficient performer for short-barreled 9mm's of all the tests I have seen and this one just reconfirms what I have already seen. Federal HST FTW! And thanks for the video by the way 🙂
Thank you for watching and I pray you never have to find out the real results in a self defense scenario. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
@@AlaskanBallistics well let's hope I never find myself in that sort of situation because I'm the kind of idiot that would get myself killed because of my unwillingness to hurt another human being. It was only thanks to the constant mass shootings on the news that I even began carrying a few years ago and that's probably the only scenario I know for a fact I would use a firearm to defend myself. Anyways thanks for the kind comment and I wish the same for you 🙂
How much of the lack of expansion on so many rounds tested has to do with using clear synthetic gel in uncontrolled conditions? What is the standard calibration for clear synthetic gel? How do you ensure that the calibration is correct and maintained throughout the testing? All rhetorical questions. Federal Ammunition and the FBI call clear synthetic gel a toy because there is no standard by which to calibrate it.
Just confirmed my opinion that the 9x19 is temperamental depending on ammunition choice. The Critical Defense was a surprise though, I expected it to be among the best.
I would imagine it has more to do with using synthetic gelatin in uncontrolled conditions. Federal Ammunition and the FBI call clear synthetic gel a toy.
@@timrobinson6573 It may not be organic gel but it is the best thing most commoners have access to for experimentation. The data may not be great data, but it is decent if the test protocol remains consistent.
Would love to see the Barnes in the +P load. Other rounds used were +P on some. Wonder what difference in penetration. Maybe would make the Barnes a better contender?
Maybe, sometimes the faster a bullet goes, the faster the hollowpoint opens up, the faster the bullet slows down, the less it penetrates. Other times the extra speed just pushes it farther
Wheres buffalo bore and underwood,g9 and quite a few of the newer rounds that have come out cause we all know how basically every box on the table preforms
(~6 min 30 sec) Re, you had your Glock 43X jam.... Mine, unfortunately, seems to do that on at least one round in the magazine. I started putting 9 rounds in the magazine & that seemed to correct the problem. But the last time I shot, I had a jam. Am not sure what's going on with that. (Limp wrist?? Probably.)
Without watching it, yes. Or you're shooting very hot rounds for the magazine spring to keep up with the faster moving slide. Also take the magazine apart and clean it really well. Mine was also with a PSA MicroDagger mag, which never named in the summer testing, but I dropped it off camera and snow was in it.
@@AlaskanBallistics , AB, thanks much for letting me know about cleaning the mag. Am still learning so didn't consider need to clean it as well as my gun. (My light bulb seems to come on a lot slower the older I get :-)
My wife and I both have the first runs of 43x with the silver slide, and I've found that through a couple of thousand rounds apiece, with 16 different mags (12 OEM and 4 shield gen 2) that neither gun likes the bullets that are shaped lig the Sig ammo and will jam at least once a mag, usually the 3rd from the end, but they both have no trouble with "pointier" ammo like the Hornady stuff. No limp wristing and the jams are regardless of who's shooting. None of our Glocks are ammo picky, but the 43x sure seems to be, at least in my experience.
Since you're making your own gel blocks and all... you could be the first I've seen add fiberous muscle tissue into the gel. Just strands of some fabric going one direction and not woven really to loosely simulate some muscle fibers and whatnot. That might really kick off the expansion. Later on in another video add bones from a butcher? Cure the gelatin with a rack of pork ribs right under the surface? 😂 Maybe the Amazon mix block had more or stronger concentrated gelatin hence the added resistance from density that caused more expansion? How about testing the cheapest you can get vs the most expensive? Nicely done though, thanks!
Thanks, but let's see the Homemade Organic Gel release that footage...doesn't matter how it looks for entertainment, what matters is that Data, 17% More Dense, contains Water..ya know like we do so they Expand way more. Modern Meat Target look at my tests. Also Critical Duty Battle coming soon. In Alaska I'd be carrying either .40 or 10mm, either Dutch staggering hard 180 hollows like Gold Dot & FMJ, or changing mags out for out of city and going into city. HST or punch for me in the south. Also tested lots of .357 Mag through 6 layers...4 Layer Denim & 2 Tshirt for you Northern Boys to look at HST in .357 should do good on either 2 or 4 legged
Well you said id be suprised and well color me suprised. However, this is the first video i have seen where the bullet did not expand like intended. The fbi standard test does have multiple layers of denim and a layer of leather i think, dont quote me on it though. I would like to see the g9 bullet or the external hollow point design bullet tested. It does not rely on expansion to cause devastation and garand thumb praises the g9 and the gold dot bullets as two of his favorite rounds. I have went to a bullet called inceptor arx. Its a light 65gr bullet traveling at 1650fps claimed on the box. A bullet that doesnt need to rely on expansion could open a huge amount of possibilities. No more good for this but lacks here type bullet, if it tracks well and doesnt deviate when shot through angled objects it sounds like the perfect round.
@@AlaskanBallistics I don't know where my previous response to this question went. Maybe RUclips deleted it since it had a link. Detroit Ammo sells "PROJECTILES 90GR 9MM INTERCEPTORS" from Ballistic Machinist.
@TyinAlaska, I'll look for it, but I think Detroit Ammo refuses to sell even projectiles to Alaska. I've tried them before. Maybe I'm remembering wrong
I personally carry 124+p Speergolddot. Its what NYPD, Georgia state troopers, secret service and among thousands of security and law enforcement agencies carry. Ill never change my carry ammo
@@AlaskanBallistics equivalent can mean a lot of things. Organic gel is 10% purified pig fat and the rest water. And then it must be temperature controlled, and acclimated. The time and temperature window for it to be valid science is very narrow, and has to be verified by calibration. Synthetic gel (clear) is not an animal product, and has no water. Just like shooting water would lead you to believe everything expands, shooting clear gel can lead you believe other falsehoods. No hate tho brother. God speed
For me its 124gr HST in my 3.1 inch barrel summertime carry gun, and 147gr HST in my 5.1 inch barrel fall/winter/spring carry gun. Test after test that I've seen those rounds prove to be among the best choices. Thank you for the tests, this information is invaluable to those of us that can't do these tests ourselves.
You're welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting! Godspeed and good hunting. May you never have to use those guns in defense!
Thank you. HST & Gold Dot are typically good reliable options.
You didn't watch the speer gold dot fail in the end did you?
@@AlaskanBallistics I should have stated this better. That is what surprised me. The fact that they are known to be reliable but this failure to expand happened is disappointing.
@guardianminifarm8005 well said.
My test with 124gr Sig V-crown was excellent. Made me a believer even though I set out to prove it was just a Gucci Ammo. I now use it in all my self defense pistols.
That's great. They perform well in meat test for me, not so well in this Ballistics gel.
Godspeed and good hunting
After watching a bajillion ballistic test with so many different defensive ammunitions, weights, and different pressures, about 5 months ago when I got my Springfield Hellcat with a 3-inch Barrel, I had settled on the federal HST 124 grain +P. It was hands down the most consistent and sufficient performer for short-barreled 9mm's of all the tests I have seen and this one just reconfirms what I have already seen. Federal HST FTW! And thanks for the video by the way 🙂
Thank you for watching and I pray you never have to find out the real results in a self defense scenario.
Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
@@AlaskanBallistics well let's hope I never find myself in that sort of situation because I'm the kind of idiot that would get myself killed because of my unwillingness to hurt another human being. It was only thanks to the constant mass shootings on the news that I even began carrying a few years ago and that's probably the only scenario I know for a fact I would use a firearm to defend myself. Anyways thanks for the kind comment and I wish the same for you 🙂
How much of the lack of expansion on so many rounds tested has to do with using clear synthetic gel in uncontrolled conditions? What is the standard calibration for clear synthetic gel? How do you ensure that the calibration is correct and maintained throughout the testing? All rhetorical questions. Federal Ammunition and the FBI call clear synthetic gel a toy because there is no standard by which to calibrate it.
Fair enough. Thanks!
Thanks Chuck, appreciate the test. I personally carry the 124gr Hsts in my carry gun. I always enjoy your testing in whatever you decide to test.
Thanks Lance! Good choice
Bravo, GOOD SHOW!
Thank you sir!
I think the density of your two different gel blocks is the problem. You should also be using a 4-in barrel.
1) I don't carry less than 4 inch barrel, but many people do. I was trying to show what the Ballistics were for the shorter barrel.
Just confirmed my opinion that the 9x19 is temperamental depending on ammunition choice. The Critical Defense was a surprise though, I expected it to be among the best.
I expected it to penetrate shallow and expand almost too much
I would imagine it has more to do with using synthetic gelatin in uncontrolled conditions. Federal Ammunition and the FBI call clear synthetic gel a toy.
@@timrobinson6573 It may not be organic gel but it is the best thing most commoners have access to for experimentation. The data may not be great data, but it is decent if the test protocol remains consistent.
Would love to see the Barnes in the +P load. Other rounds used were +P on some. Wonder what difference in penetration. Maybe would make the Barnes a better contender?
Maybe, sometimes the faster a bullet goes, the faster the hollowpoint opens up, the faster the bullet slows down, the less it penetrates.
Other times the extra speed just pushes it farther
Would love to see a 10mm bear defense ammo comparison
It's in the plans
This is great! Thank you
You're welcome. Thank ! Godspeed and good hunting!
Thanks for using a short barrel! One RUclipsr I used to watch has started using 5 inch barrel. That data doesn’t help me.
Sam revolver guy?
That's a good channel
@@jamesmarkov9570 Yes
@@AlaskanBallistics Yes it is, but since none of my carry guns have long barrels the data just doesn’t interest me.
Well I appreciate you watching and let me know what other ammo I could do to help.
Man Chuke is fast on the keyboard 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Had nothing to do with me giving him the link for feedback
Fast on the draw also
Lol
The Underwood 90 grain defender 9mm would be interesting to compare…
It's in the plans!
Never tried the HST ill have to try it. Always trained with regular Hornady Critical Defense
@@2006Mercury that's the first critical defense fail I've ever had! The HSTs are very reliable!
Wheres buffalo bore and underwood,g9 and quite a few of the newer rounds that have come out cause we all know how basically every box on the table preforms
@@lucasschmitz4588 plans for episode 2
@@AlaskanBallistics hell ya brother can't wait to see it
@lucasschmitz4588 it'll be a few months... hunting season is upon me
@@AlaskanBallistics no worries as long as happens
10mm is the best MM!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼👍🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Amen! Preach it brother!
And, .357 Sig is the best "upgraded" 9mm
@ronald209 true. I need to do .357 sig vs. 10mm. I'll try to do it this winter
@@ronald209 better 9mm Dillon.
@Schutti73 lol maybe if you could find ammo and guns for it.
Thank you for the testing
You're welcome. Thank you for watching!
yep
Thanks Dan
Extremely interesting Good video to show which 9 mm defensive ammo is better for sure.
Thanks Brother
The friggin critical duty tumbled
Yep... it did that
Great video!
Thank you David
Predict HST 4 the win.
And so what did you think?
I’d like to see you test federals hi shok line, I use their 9mm 147 gr 9ms since I can find it for about 35-40cpr.
We'll see
(~6 min 30 sec) Re, you had your Glock 43X jam.... Mine, unfortunately, seems to do that on at least one round in the magazine. I started putting 9 rounds in the magazine & that seemed to correct the problem. But the last time I shot, I had a jam. Am not sure what's going on with that. (Limp wrist?? Probably.)
Without watching it, yes. Or you're shooting very hot rounds for the magazine spring to keep up with the faster moving slide.
Also take the magazine apart and clean it really well.
Mine was also with a PSA MicroDagger mag, which never named in the summer testing, but I dropped it off camera and snow was in it.
@@AlaskanBallistics , AB, thanks much for letting me know about cleaning the mag. Am still learning so didn't consider need to clean it as well as my gun. (My light bulb seems to come on a lot slower the older I get :-)
@user-bq1se9tt2n me too brother. Not sure my light bulb is even screwed in these days.
@@AlaskanBallistics , A, the "good thing" that "light bulb" is we have company ;-) Hope you have a great day!
My wife and I both have the first runs of 43x with the silver slide, and I've found that through a couple of thousand rounds apiece, with 16 different mags (12 OEM and 4 shield gen 2) that neither gun likes the bullets that are shaped lig the Sig ammo and will jam at least once a mag, usually the 3rd from the end, but they both have no trouble with "pointier" ammo like the Hornady stuff. No limp wristing and the jams are regardless of who's shooting. None of our Glocks are ammo picky, but the 43x sure seems to be, at least in my experience.
Very interesting. However, you didn’t include what many believe are the 2 best types of ammo: Buffalo Bore and Underwood.
Only so much room in the box... I plan on those in episode 2 or 3
Great job
Thank You Sir
I forgot what barrel length you had, but a lot of those rounds are designed for 4-in barrels or longer
Which is not what people necessarily carry either.
Since you're making your own gel blocks and all... you could be the first I've seen add fiberous muscle tissue into the gel. Just strands of some fabric going one direction and not woven really to loosely simulate some muscle fibers and whatnot. That might really kick off the expansion. Later on in another video add bones from a butcher? Cure the gelatin with a rack of pork ribs right under the surface? 😂
Maybe the Amazon mix block had more or stronger concentrated gelatin hence the added resistance from density that caused more expansion?
How about testing the cheapest you can get vs the most expensive?
Nicely done though, thanks!
I appreciate the suggestions! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Thanks, but let's see the Homemade Organic Gel release that footage...doesn't matter how it looks for entertainment, what matters is that Data, 17% More Dense, contains Water..ya know like we do so they Expand way more. Modern Meat Target look at my tests. Also Critical Duty Battle coming soon. In Alaska I'd be carrying either .40 or 10mm, either Dutch staggering hard 180 hollows like Gold Dot & FMJ, or changing mags out for out of city and going into city. HST or punch for me in the south. Also tested lots of .357 Mag through 6 layers...4 Layer Denim & 2 Tshirt for you Northern Boys to look at HST in .357 should do good on either 2 or 4 legged
Wondering if you have tested G9 ammo with the external hollow point, hidden hollow point and/or woodsman?
No but it's in the plans
I carry Hornady American gunner 115gr xtp in my carry gun but I'm looking for something with a little more weight at least projectile-wise
Federal HST 124gr +p seams to be the winner.
@@AlaskanBallistics I'll have to order it most likely federal hst doesn't stay on the shelf long at the local store
@Wes.Crump00 I've got links on my A.D. page most of the time
@@AlaskanBallistics cool man I'll check it out
Well you said id be suprised and well color me suprised. However, this is the first video i have seen where the bullet did not expand like intended. The fbi standard test does have multiple layers of denim and a layer of leather i think, dont quote me on it though. I would like to see the g9 bullet or the external hollow point design bullet tested. It does not rely on expansion to cause devastation and garand thumb praises the g9 and the gold dot bullets as two of his favorite rounds. I have went to a bullet called inceptor arx. Its a light 65gr bullet traveling at 1650fps claimed on the box. A bullet that doesnt need to rely on expansion could open a huge amount of possibilities. No more good for this but lacks here type bullet, if it tracks well and doesnt deviate when shot through angled objects it sounds like the perfect round.
Yeah I have a few to test
I prefer G9 defense 80gr External hollow point round
Plan on testing it when I can find some?
Very good Roundup. I would love to see your take on Ballistic Machinist Interceptors.
Are they available to reload... ? As projectiles?
@@AlaskanBallistics I don't know where my previous response to this question went. Maybe RUclips deleted it since it had a link. Detroit Ammo sells "PROJECTILES 90GR 9MM INTERCEPTORS" from Ballistic Machinist.
@TyinAlaska, I'll look for it, but I think Detroit Ammo refuses to sell even projectiles to Alaska. I've tried them before. Maybe I'm remembering wrong
@@AlaskanBallistics perhaps Ballistic Machinist could send a box as a partial sponsorship if you requested.
Would love to see some super vel defensive loads
If I ever see those on the shelf
The 9mm's velocity is established out of 4 inch barrels.
Which tells you nothing if you carry a shorter barrel. This tells me to not carry shorter than 4", so I guess we're agreeing?
Thank you and Godspeed
First
You're such a speedy queen
He said he colored his graph for chuke pride month .it was the least you could do
The barnes looks like the best numbers imo
Umm low energy and penetration? No
I wanna see 90gr xtreme defender monolith self defense ammo.
@thebushbunker plan on it in next video... along the 68gr +p
@@AlaskanBallistics awesome I use lighter ammo as I need to compensate for speed for my short reflex barrel.
@thebushbunker then you picked the right one!
Hmm, no Winchester Ranger T-Series SXT 🤔🤨
I've got some to test in the next batch, I think. We have to buy ammo on the shelf here, so if it's not on the shelf, I can't get it.
It also typically doesn't expand according to what I've seen
Gold dot for total victory
Watch until the end for the Gold Dot complete and total Failure
@@AlaskanBallistics the fix was in!! Lol
Lol wish it wasn't
@@AlaskanBallistics me too lol. I’ve been carrying in both the 9 and 40 🤷🏻♂️. Appreciate the reviews.
Dhamn still got snow up there
Recorded in Late April
Good testing.
Thank You James!
I personally carry 124+p Speergolddot. Its what NYPD, Georgia state troopers, secret service and among thousands of security and law enforcement agencies carry. Ill never change my carry ammo
Hope it doesn't fail you!
👍
Thank You!
Sad that we're at the point where we have to clarify things aren't for the woke mob.... But still appreciate it haha
Truth. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
Looks like all the substandard mfg paid you off to leave out underwood.
It's in the next video... And I wished ammo companies did pay me! Lol youtube doesn't much
Synthetic gel water content: 0%.
@dylanholbrook6239 okay thanks. It was supposed to be equivalent to 10% Ballistics gel...
@@AlaskanBallistics equivalent can mean a lot of things. Organic gel is 10% purified pig fat and the rest water. And then it must be temperature controlled, and acclimated. The time and temperature window for it to be valid science is very narrow, and has to be verified by calibration. Synthetic gel (clear) is not an animal product, and has no water. Just like shooting water would lead you to believe everything expands, shooting clear gel can lead you believe other falsehoods. No hate tho brother. God speed
Something wrong with that denim. Artificial or imitation denim
Yes but as I said, in Alaska we wear a lot thicker stuff than that. Bullet has still got to perform