10mm Underwood VS Buffalo Bore in Ballistics Gel
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
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Rock Island Ultra FS 10mm
Underwood 180gr XTP 10mm
Buffalo Bore 180gr XTP 10mm
Ammo Test/ Ballistics Gel Test 
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It's nice to see these two ammo companies loading the 10mm up to full power. There are so many other loads out there that are about the same power as the .40 s&w. Those stretch cavities are awesome!👍👍
Yes very disgusting when you can’t actually trust ammo loaders to sell you what they claim…I learned very quickly to check the specs on 10mm before I buy it, otherwise you may end up buying 40 S&W when you intended to buy 10mm…how can you tell the difference? In my experience, if the velocity isn’t shown on the box, you likely don’t want to buy it…🤷♂️
@@genbigmac2872yeah check the specs. These two, Grizzly, and Sig V crowns are true 10mm ammo companies. Hornady Custom I would say is fifth on the list. Those 5 companies are true 10mm.
It is nice but another important step is to take steps to protect your pistol.
Having the slide slam back as hard as it does with full house 10mm rounds presents the problem of cracking the back of the frame.
There are several solutions but I went with a shock absorbing piston guide rod.
Strode's is the name of the website that makes them.
The one for my Tanfoglio Elite Match put me out about 80 bucks but the it really reduces recoil and yet lower power practice rounds still cycle flawlessly.
I've been blessed because I've never had a misfeed with the Tanfoglio and I'm glad fixing one issue didn't lead to another.
@@jamessteinmetz7476 i've never heard of that company. Did you mean to say Sprinco? I have their guide rods in all of my full sized Glocks.
Buffalo Bore, Underwood, DoubleTap, Grizzly, and Steinel are great options for 10mm.
10mm Auto, Norma spec ammunition was designed specifically to stop violent human threats, and these two loadings are exemplary examples of Norma spec. A byproduct is hunting game animals or defensive applications against four-legged predators with hard cast ammunition and the like.
I use these exact same buffalo borer in my EDC Glock 20
Very good self defense load
10mm Underwood VS Buffalo Bore I would use either - great ammo !
I keep this same Buffalo Bore 180 grain xtp in my G20 on my nightstand! This is my home defense ammo! Looks like either one would stop a bad guy! That was pretty much equal of a test except the Underwood measured a little bit bigger! Awesome test! Thanks for sharing!
Yes good to see they are loaded to advertised velocity which of course means they are boutique ammo not big ammo!
Now that isn’t no .40 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Identical performance for about half the price. I'm going to stick with Underwood. I bet it makes the BB CEO want to 🤬! Kinda like "Big Tony Baloney" from the Jimmy John's commercial. 😂😂😂
Really?! Where are you buying your ammo at? These two are pretty much the same price when I look
Underwood has had issues not meeting velocity’s lately so take your chances pal
Where did you see that at?
The Buffalo bore thump in my G29. Sheeesh 😂
Dude yeah it does haha 😂😂 surprisingly though I shoot the 29 well
Power house of a round
Full house 10mm. The way it ought to be. The Gold Standard of 10mm. Out of a 5" 1911. The best of best millimeter. We done Sir! I really like the XTP hunting deer with 44 magnum. The Gold Dot is my preference in 10. But these tests are a great asset. Many thanks.
Thank you sir!! Appreciate ya!!
Another great 10mm Auto ammo test.
Thank you!
Virtually identical performance from the two top-tier 10mm Auto ammo companies currently / historically out there in the marketplace.
At $1.35 per round for the Underwood Ammo load, versus $2.15 per round for the Buffalo Bore, I'll for sure be sticking with (my current winter carry) Underwood Ammo 10mm Auto 180 Gr XTP JHP load.
Good things! 👍
Really good info on the ammo, really good job👍🙂
Thank you very much I appreciate that😁
Wish I would have seen this earlier just bought three boxes of Buffalo bore 😢
I’m sure it’ll meet your needs just fine
@@minnesotajack1 Sure will but Underwood's a lot cheaper.
Buffalo bore is awesome stuff.
Nicely done, great test, I have those underwood XTP rounds, I am going to grab some of those BB round’s too 👍🏽
Thank you very much I appreciate that!! Can't go wrong with either, both rounds are pretty nasty. Thank you for checkin this one out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
Your channel is great.
Thank you very much I appreciate that😁
Watched alot of your videos. And just subscribed. Here in Alaska we can't order ammo for delivery. But sportsmans warehouse carries buffalobore and grizzly ammo. Have to drive 100 plus miles round trip if I want some underwood ammo. Thanks for the testing.
Good stuff!
Any chance you’ll test the 357 SIG from Doubletap? They have a 115gr lead-free I’m really curious about for a small CCW.
best ammo tester on YT right here
I started buying underwood Around 2013 before they were a common name. I bought 165 and 180gr gdhp they were advertised 1350 for the 180s and 1400 for the 165s. I was get 1407fps 180gr and 1464fps 165gr 10 shot average out of my Glock 20. Ever since then that’s all I buy for 10mm even fmj is close to those speeds.
So go with whichever you can get cheaper… got it.
I've been seriously considering getting a 10 mm, from what I've seen the cartridges for It are very underpowered, watered down with the exception of the Underwood & Buffalo Bore rounds. THX for posting. 👍🇺🇸 subbed.
Join the club!!!
The fastest I've seen in a hand load is 1600fps from a Glock20 with a 6" barrel and a Glock40 both 24lb recoil spring and 6lb firing springs and that's definitely .41 & .44 magnum territory.
There is a guy named Angry Dick here on a channel called Steep Kuntry Outdoors who cooked up a 180gr. .40 over 1400fps from a Glock35 I believe he got it to 1435fps or 1440fps. And that was .40 S&W.
Nice! but I will stick with the barrier blind external hollow points from underwood, G9 or black hills
At close ranges where the impact is still at or above 1,300 fps, that 180 grain XTP would hit like a truck. Not going anywhere but down quickly if you get smacked by one.
Right.
At 15 feet, the difference would be “super duper dead” or “ultra dead”
What about 200 grain underwood? Or is the 180 grain better?
Considering performance is identical underwood at half the price is the way to go..
🫨nice test bro!
Thank you😁
Just picked up this gun any issues with yours?? I’ve not got too shoot mine yet
Ammo the way it was meant to Be..........
10mm is not a granade more like a claymore 💥
How about some G9 10mm ehp?
What's the muzzle energy on those two? No one ever talks about the importance of muzzle energy
Their bruders
Whats the price comparison like?
You Didn't Use the Best Underwood 10 Caliber: 100 gr and 1825 fps = 740 Muzzle Energy
Same bullet... so virtually 2 identical gel profiles considering velocity was pretty much the same..
OK. I saw the ft. Sorry. I had a blonde moment again. 🤷🤦
I just wish manufacturers would quit building their pistols off their 45ACP models. There is no reason that a 10mm pistol needs to be bigger than a 9mm other than the grip length.
Um yes there is a reason. You need something beefy and stout to be able to handle these chamber pressures of the 10mm. Secondly small guns shooting full power 10mm is not going to be a good time for your wrists. It's already a beast in full sized guns. A G26 sized pistol shooting one of these rounds would SUCK for the shooter. Get a Glock 29. It's about the size of a Glock 19, but wider. That's gonna be your best bet for a compact 10mm.
@@nickadkins7765 Chamber pressure of 10mm (38,000) isn't that much higher than 9mm or 40SW (both 35,000). 357 Sig is 40,000. Switching from 40 to 357 Sig is only a barrel change. Chamber pressure of 45ACP is only 21,000 psi. The only reason they build them from 45 ACP pistols is the depth of the grip needed to handle the longer cartridge.
@@nickadkins7765 Chamber pressure of 10mm (38,000) isn't that much higher than 9mm or 40SW (both 35,000). 357 Sig is 40,000. Switching from 40 to 357 Sig is only a barrel change. Chamber pressure of 45ACP is only 21,000 psi. The only reason they build them from 45 ACP pistols is the depth of the grip needed to handle the longer cartridge.
You don't know what you are talking about...A 9 mm hand gun built to handle 9 mm pressure could not stand up to the recoil
@@donspann9706 You should be nicer, because YOU don't know what you are talking about. 40SW pistols from most manufacturers are the same width as their 9mm pistols. The 40SW cartridge is a shortened 10mm, so they are the exact same diameter as 10mm. The pistol doesn't need to be wider. When it comes to chamber pressure, the 357 Sig has a higher operating pressure than 10mm, yet converting from 40SW to 357 Sig is usually just a barrel change, so a 10mm barrel doesn't need to be any thicker than a 357 Sig barrel. There is no reason the pistol needs to be wider and a heavier recoil spring would slow the slide enough to operate. The only limitations is the grips won't fit the longer 10mm cartridge.
200 grains works better. Better energy transfer. 180 grains is for 40. Less fragmentation. Power was really out of this world.
Where is the proof of that? It all depends how fast that 200gr is moving. 180gr is not a good size for 40. It's too big, and moving too slow. 155-165gr works best for 40 (for self defense) and 155-180gr is best for 10mm (for self defense). If you want bear rounds you go with 2xx gr hard cast loads....but these 180gr hollowpoints are devastating in a personal defense scenario.
Unless that 200gr is moving at atleast 1350fps or faster it's a wash, and the energy transfer is negligible.
@@nickadkins7765 10 mm the original load was 200 grains out a 5 inch 1911. And a very hot load if you compare it with todays 10 mm. Norma invented 10 mm platform it was that way 1300 to 1400 feet 200 grains 5 inch 1911. The problem is in case is energy delivery (bullet technology).
@@nickadkins7765Energy is qualitative as well as quantitative, meaning how a bullet's energy is used matters at least as much as how much energy gets used. Handguns lack the velocity to consistently cause the stretch cavitation that makes high velocity rifles so effective, so we are primarily concerned with the permanent crush cavity.
In gel, the permanent crush cavity has a neck, a body, and a tail. The neck is the distance between the entrance and the first sign of bullet deformation or disruption. Many incorrectly assume we want the neck to be almost non-existent, but in truth a few inches of neck is fine because the first few inches of gel block, even up to about six inches, are representative mostly of subcutaneous fat and muscle tissue. Doing a lot of damage here is not really going to contribute to the effectiveness of the round because it is too superficial to damage important structures from most shot presentations.
The body begins when expansion and deformation begin. It can be seen as the part where the body is chewing its way through the gel as evident by the star pattern, splits, and tears coming off the path of the bullet. This is the important part where the bullet is using its energy the most effectively. We want to see the body of the permanent crush cavity reach as deep into the block as possible, preferably into the center third of a 16 inch block, because this is representative of where large blood-bearing organs would be in the body, and we want the bullet to be using energy effectively when it gets to these structures.
When the bullet slows to the point where it no longer has velocity for expansion, it settles down into the tail of the permanent crush cavity. This usually entails the last half of the wound channel, and here the bullet creates a narrow, uncomplicated wound. In a body with tissues of varying density and elasticity, the bullet is as likely to push aside tissue as penetrate through it at this point. Here we may see the bullet easily deflected because it lacks momentum. The bullet really isn't using energy to contribute significantly to wounding. So total penetration isn't really as important as the depth of penetration where the tail begins.
If you watch gel tests with a 200 gr XTP at 1200+ fps, such as my Underwood carry load, you see it carries the body of the permanent crush cavity deeper into the gel block. The 200 gr has more momentum and a higher sectional density which allow it to retain enough velocity for deformation deeper into the body. It might not expand as much or disrupt as much earlier, but that is fine because that part of the gel block isn't where the important stuff is in a body. That the 200 gr expands farther into the block means it uses its energy deeper in yhe body, and this is crucial for incapacitating a threat. I've seen both the 180 and 200 gr XTP perform on deer, and I carry the 200 gr. It might not have as much energy or as wide of expansion, but it uses its energy more effectively by taking it deeper into a body while still deforming.
You confused yourself. Underwood on the left not buffalo bore.
Sure didn't. I flip the block for the second shot. So the first shot ends up on the opposite or right side well reviewing. Thanks for watching!!
Yes Underwood and Buffalo bore both make ammo for the 460rowland where the hell have you been
It would be nice to see you test on 45 super maybe 135 grain Xtreme defender or 185 grain or if you can some 450 SMC the 450 snc a bit more powerful than a 10 mm
Yep, the 10MM is a great round but the 45 Super is at the same power level but starts off at a larger diameter so it's more likely to dump most if not all of it's energy into the target. If we are talking big bear defense the 10MM would be better because of the smaller diameter the penetration would be better. Personally I like the .460 Rowland but it's more of a wildcat cartridge unfortunately so if you are not a hand loader it doesn't make much sense but Underwood does make ammo for it.