The first link in the twelve links is ignorance (Sanskrit. avidyā; Tibetan. མ་རིག་པ་, ma rigpa, Wyl. ma rig pa). This fundamental ignorance is the delusion of mistakenly perceiving the five skandhas (aggregates) as a self.
Most of the world says that there is a you and a me and most of the world has been saying this for a very long time. According to Buddhism most of the world is living in and has been living in a state of ignorance.
Pardon me Bhante, but you do not say exactly what is ignorance. Ignorance of what gives rise to mental factors or Kamma- wholesome or,unwholesome Kamma. From what I have learnt ignorance comes from having the wrong belief that every thing is permanent, that there is nothing called suffering or dukkha and that there is a self behind every thing we do by thought,word or bodily action. In reality all these beliefs are due to ignorance of suffering, not knowing what is suffering. Not knowing that all conceptual things are subject to change and dissappear, and that there is no self a doer of things. These are the causes of suffering. Suffering is not being with people you love and having to live with those we do not like. Suffering is not being able tohave what we want , and taking away from us what we like to keep; Suffering is old age, sickness, death and cry and lament over loss of those dear to us. Ignorance is not knowing the causes of these and not knowing the noble eightfold path which will give you the wisdom to understand the reality of life and enter the stream to end the repeated birth and death in Samsara and attain Nibbana. That is in short the four noble truths not knowing of which is ignorance or Avijja or avidya.
In the first 15 minutes of your presentation, Sir, I understand that to not know is to suffer from ignorance. I accept this totally. It is easy for me to see the truth of this statement. Another monk told me that there is no such thing as good and bad or right and wrong. I cannot accept that teaching. That is the teaching of someone who is not telling the truth from the point of view of Buddhism. I cannot believe that Buddhism teaches that there is no such thing as good and bad and that there is no such thing as right and wrong. Therefore, I had to dismiss this monk as a false teacher.
I think the monk has been trying to tell you that right and wrong is just a label that we (people) give to our actions to be able to tell them apart. It exists conventially, but in reality there are only actions. No right or wrong. The reason why we do give these names "right and wrong" or "wholesome and unwholesome" is because every action that is unwholesome or negative produces only that same type of result: a suffering result. Because there are no beings that like to suffer, people agreed on calling these actions unwholesome or just bad. If there were any beings that did like to suffer, there would be no point in calling certain actions bad, because that would be totally dependent on the type of being you deal with.
This is false teaching. Not even worth the consideration of paying attention to it. I refer not to Sangpo but another monk who holds himself out to be a teacher. This is the kind of teaching that you can hand out to someone who has no knowledge of spiritual matters and they will lap it up with a spoon.
Right and wrong is not just a label. I know a good deal about what is right and what is wrong. Yes, I have the gall to make such a statement. Are you going to tell me that you don't know what is right and what is wrong? Perhaps. In that case you have given up your ability to make a judgment. Oh? It's wrong to be judgmental? I've heard about that. Call me oldfashioned. I'll accept that judgment on your part. Even when your revered speaker rolls his eyes and says there is no God he has made a judgment. No? Well, what would you call it? Something other than a judgment? Right and wrong is not just a label.
Some Buddhists have told me to be careful with whom you associate yourself. I consider that good advice. I don't want to be associated with anyone who tells me that he or she does not believe that there is such a thing as right and wrong.
truth seeker My friend. You are right with everything you wrote. But still, there is no good nor bad. There is what you and all of us call as good or bad- but objectively, and not from "our" point of view, there is what there is.
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What was the first cause?
The first link in the twelve links is ignorance (Sanskrit. avidyā; Tibetan. མ་རིག་པ་, ma rigpa, Wyl. ma rig pa). This fundamental ignorance is the delusion of mistakenly perceiving the five skandhas (aggregates) as a self.
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Most of the world says that there is a you and a me and most of the world has been saying this for a very long time. According to Buddhism most of the world is living in and has been living in a state of ignorance.
Pardon me Bhante, but you do not say exactly what is ignorance. Ignorance of what gives rise to mental factors or Kamma- wholesome or,unwholesome Kamma. From what I have learnt ignorance comes from having the wrong belief that every thing is permanent, that there is nothing called suffering or dukkha and that there is a self behind every thing we do by thought,word or bodily action.
In reality all these beliefs are due to ignorance of suffering, not knowing what is suffering. Not knowing that all conceptual things are subject to change and dissappear, and that there is no self a doer of things. These are the causes of suffering. Suffering is not being with people you love and having to live with those we do not like. Suffering is not being able tohave what we want , and taking away from us what we like to keep; Suffering is old age, sickness, death and cry and lament over loss of those dear to us. Ignorance is not knowing the causes of these and not knowing the noble eightfold path which will give you the wisdom to understand the reality of life and enter the stream to end the repeated birth and death in Samsara and attain Nibbana. That is in short the four noble truths not knowing of which is ignorance or Avijja or avidya.
In the first 15 minutes of your presentation, Sir, I understand that to not know is to suffer from ignorance. I accept this totally. It is easy for me to see the truth of this statement. Another monk told me that there is no such thing as good and bad or right and wrong. I cannot accept that teaching. That is the teaching of someone who is not telling the truth from the point of view of Buddhism. I cannot believe that Buddhism teaches that there is no such thing as good and bad and that there is no such thing as right and wrong. Therefore, I had to dismiss this monk as a false teacher.
I think the monk has been trying to tell you that right and wrong is just a label that we (people) give to our actions to be able to tell them apart. It exists conventially, but in reality there are only actions. No right or wrong.
The reason why we do give these names "right and wrong" or "wholesome and unwholesome" is because every action that is unwholesome or negative produces only that same type of result: a suffering result.
Because there are no beings that like to suffer, people agreed on calling these actions unwholesome or just bad.
If there were any beings that did like to suffer, there would be no point in calling certain actions bad, because that would be totally dependent on the type of being you deal with.
This is false teaching. Not even worth the consideration of paying attention to it. I refer not to Sangpo but another monk who holds himself out to be a teacher. This is the kind of teaching that you can hand out to someone who has no knowledge of spiritual matters and they will lap it up with a spoon.
Right and wrong is not just a label. I know a good deal about what is right and what is wrong. Yes, I have the gall to make such a statement. Are you going to tell me that you don't know what is right and what is wrong? Perhaps. In that case you have given up your ability to make a judgment. Oh? It's wrong to be judgmental? I've heard about that. Call me oldfashioned. I'll accept that judgment on your part. Even when your revered speaker rolls his eyes and says there is no God he has made a judgment. No? Well, what would you call it? Something other than a judgment? Right and wrong is not just a label.
Some Buddhists have told me to be careful with whom you associate yourself. I consider that good advice. I don't want to be associated with anyone who tells me that he or she does not believe that there is such a thing as right and wrong.
truth seeker My friend. You are right with everything you wrote. But still, there is no good nor bad. There is what you and all of us call as good or bad- but objectively, and not from "our" point of view, there is what there is.
Thank you