Rebelle You must crave tf out of attention to dress like the bitches from the bath houses in RDR to exploit lonely kids for views. You’d be nothing without your cleavage.
Good theory. Mine's kinda lame His father is Jacob Frye, his grandfather is Colton White, his great grandfather is Arno Dorian, his great great grandfather is Connor, his great great great grandfather is haythem, his great great great great grandfather is Edward kenway, his great great great great great grandfather is Big Boss AKA Snake. The start of his lineage starts with kratos... One of his ancestors is Link. I know it's complicated, but it's true.
@@jokerknight1247 Red dead revolver and redemption are 2 different universes not to mention Revolver is set during the same time as red dead 2 and uncle is already old by that point but yeah red dead revolver isn’t canon with redemption 1 and 2
I'm pretty sure John is the actual father. I think if Abigail could have chosen anyone to be the father of her child it would have been Arthur. The fact that she was always pestering John to take care of Jack even though he hated the idea makes me sure that John really is Jack's dad
Jack is John's son. John took care of Jack, John went into berzerk when he heard Jack got kidnapped, literally ran to Save Jack during O'driscoll ambush, Taught him how to do ranch work, taught him how to ride a horse, Killed 3 men to protect Jack getting harmed, Went to kill Lamaire gang to protect his son,wife and his job, built beecher's hope just for Jack and Abigail to stay in a place, Saved Rufus's life, Hunted Dutch, Bill, Javier just to save Jack and Abigail from custody, Taught Jack how to shoot a rifle, taught him how to herd, taught him how to hunt, saved Jack from bear attack, John protected Abigail and Jack from getting killed.
@@Promthanius you guys are acting like she'd somehow know who the real father was if she had an affair. Say she slept with other men,unless the man wasn't white, she'd have no way of knowing if John or the other men she slept with were the father's.
@@Promthanius I think you're right about Arthur, but I don't know how Dutch would have reacted to Abigail doing that. He desires control and for everything to go to plan and having a child with the group's prostitute would fly in the face of that, so it would probably upset him. Then again, presumably he was trying to keep up the illusion of the kindly, thoughtful, father figure to the gang when Abigail got pregnant, so she might not have realized that yet. I can imagine him dissuading her from believing he was the father or encouraging her to believe one of the men was the father in a way that seemed gentle but was really manipulative.
Maury: The DNA Tests are in. When it comes to 12 year old Jack, John YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER Abigail: Runs off stage crying John: Crying Arthur: You’re alright boah
Abigail was convinced beyond all doubt that John was the Father. She didn’t particularly get along with him at that time, so she could have easily dismissed him being the Father immediately but she didn’t. Even when John briefly abandoned them before he came back, she still never denied him being the Father. She had more to gain by having pretty much anyone else in the gang be Jack’s Father more than John, at least she would know that anyone else would be there for him more, like Arthur for example (until John finally faced up to his responsibilities) but she maintained from the very start that he was Jack’s Father. And Arthur himself was convinced of it too, which was why he was so angry with John and slow to forgive him for abandoning Abigail and Jack. I think that’s pretty telling.
@@happyslapsgiving5421 - javier joined the gang after her pregnancy - chances of it being bill are near zero we all know that - Dutch always had his own women, and absolutely nothing other than the quote of an insane dutch in rdr1 hints that poor 17 yo girl abigail slept with him when she she join - that leaves arthur, who never doubted John's the dad (the antagonising line is just messing with Jack, plus why does it totally exclude arthur? He would've absolutely tried to take responsibility, to make up for Isaac's passing if there was a chance Jack is his) Rest of the members either didn't join yet then or there's zero proof they could've slept with abigail so what more proof do u need. He looks like his dad too.
I feel so sorry for Jack. He was a gentle, sensible boy. John was always annoyed that all Jack wanted to do was sit and read books and never once considered that Jack wanted a better life for himself. Jack had been raised among criminals, living from camp to camp and witnessing how their lifestyle ultimately brought nothing but misery and death. Imagine finally finding peace and quiet in a lovely home (and what a lovely home) just to have it all ripped away. Now, I’m sure Jack would have gotten his revenge and sought justice the proper non-violent way, by the law. But seeing how the law completely F’ed over his father… he had no choice but to become the very last thing he ever wanted to be.
Yeah I remember finishing the first game and thinking the next game will probably be about Jack going postal on the law. Before playing RDR2: Wtf is this new character, why Jack is a child, well at least John is in it. Where is Rockstar even going with this? After playing RDR2: No don't take Arthur away from me, he is my spirit animal. I'm not crying.
Jack has: - The same build as John - His face looks like John, as many npcs point out - John and Abigail are convinced that John is the father - He has the same shooting skills as John - In stranger missions that John didn't finish he says the same as his father would word for word But sure amazing argument that he is Javier's son because he has similar facial hair. Or Dutch's son because his nose is slightly similar.
I kind of like the idea that, even if it’s not realistic and more of a symbolic thing, he does resemble everybody somewhat. Like he is the son of the gang, in that he is the last of the legacy it carried.
@@cmywings8593 if we already know Abigail has brown eyes then there’s no real way to determine the fathers eye color based on jack. considering any color other than brown is recessive, he’s already predisposed to having brown eyes because it’s the dominant gene, regardless of fathers eye color. Also both parents don’t have to carry the recessive gene to have a blue eyed child. Two brown eyed parents can have a none brown eyed child as long as one carries the recessive gene, they don’t even have to present the gene physically they just need to be a carrier. So Arthur is a completely viable candidate to be his father in this circumstance.
I saw Jack in this thumbnail and fr thought that it was just John with a silly beard. (Haven't played RDR1) Idk why people find this so theory-worthy, he is obviously John's son, in all the ways. The only reason people doubt this is because John is so goddamn stupid that he has to audibly question his son's parentage. John was obviously very much in denial about wanting and having a family, and wanted to excuse himself from it in a cheap way.
@Dutch Van Der Linde I donated a million bucks !!! We didn't need to go to tahiti , we could just have bribed the government , buy mansions in saint Denis and live their!!!! Heck we could have bough the whole goddamn Tahiti!!!!!!
But why ? Last time hosea and lenny died when we tried to rob a bank this time who will die ? We have enough money !!! Tell me how much more you want ?
@Dutch Van Der Linde okay but what kind of robbery is this ? Train robbery ? Bank robbery ? Ferry robbery ? Charlotte the widdow who lives north of annesburg ?
Jack looks like a little but of everyone because they all raised him in a way. He has Arthur's loyalty, Dutch's and Hosea's poetic/theatric guile, Javier's passion, Johns kindness, even Lenny's intelligence. If we get a game to play as Jack more im sure Uncles sarcastic nonchalantness, and Stauss's business acumen. But the one thing he inherited from the gang was they're collective badassness.
Environment shapes the individual. Mean sure Jack was young but he was still raised in the gang. They all affected him so its not far fetched to say he's got a piece of everyone of the gang in him
I believe that John Marston is Jack’s father, but that it was important for John to process and deal with the doubt; it was a part of his journey to becoming a father, growing into fatherhood.
Starting strangers as John and finishing them as Jack always has the stranger remark about how much he looks like John. Some of them even think he IS John until he corrects them.
That's why I think it's Dutch, Jack don't look enough like Arthur or Hosea, Go back to RDR1 watch the "father son" interactions not only are they awkward as fuck, but Jack is definitely more intelligent than John. Also think about how Dutch was willing to let John die or rot in prison after the Bronte incident (whom i think Dutch killed as revenge for Jack), why might he do that? Maybe he wants Abigail and Jack to leave the gang so Jack won't be at risk in the crossfire anymore, good way to accomplish that is to let John get killed right? Later he saves him from Micah, why? John is protecting his son, is not with the gang, n is in a safe place, Dutch wants him to live at that point, then he goes back to John one day invites him on a robbery to find out if he is truly done with the gang life, John fails the test n goes with Dutch, Dutch turns on him for the safety of his son, but John survives n his son gets taken by the Pinkertons, at that point Dutch feels he really has to kill John, and make sure he dies, otherwise the Pinkertons will always be pestering his son, making his boy suffer for his choices, and Dutch wouldn't want that, he for sure would have wanted his boy to have a clean slate and freedom to grow, and live on his own terms just like he did. I mean he'd leave the boy without a father, but Dutch did fine without his, he probably thought it'd be better for him that way, help him grow strong. When he realizes he can't kill John, Dutch instead kills himself hoping it will make the Pinkertons suspicious of John for not taking him out, and take him out too just to be safe. Like he said they'll always be looking for a new monster, and as long as they are looking at John, Jack wasn't truly safe. That's my Dutch theory, and why i think he called falling to his own death, a plan.
also look at the first reaction from Dutch when John is free from prison, it was like Arthur fucked up his plan, am telling ya's he wanted Abigail to get pissed over them doing nothing, and take off with Jack, so his son could be away from the gang, and safe.
I'd say since she slept with most of the men (not counting hosea because it be wierd if she saw him as a father if she slept with him) so he's Dutch's, Arthur's, Javiur, and most importantly john's
After many sleepless nights and a ball of yarn, i boiled the suspects down to: 1) John 2)Arthur 3) The White Arabian 4) Saint Denis gunsmith 5) The Legendary Moose
More like the Gunsmith in Rhodes- he seems like Jack's father.... *WAIT, what if Jack IS his son and the Gunsmith's son died and he stroll across and met Abigail, shagged her and got her pregnant- not know he did and kidnapped that ging?!?!?!*
I always assumed that Dutch was trying to get in John’s head when he says Abigail slept with all the gang and that it wasn’t actually the case, just part of his master manipulation playing into Johns own doubts that Dutch knew about from years ago.
Well, if you look at the lighting in some scenes, John even looks Mexican at points. It's not very consistent. I believe Jack is supposed to represent a physical manifestation of most of the gang members because he's really all that's left of the gang.
@@cptcarrot5455 Yes, that's exactly what I meant. How dare I not spell it right. I appreciate you setting me straight. Next time boah, I'll have a better PLAUHN. You're okay, boah.
Having john think he is jack's father, but his father actually being Dutch is almost too perfect, explains why he doesn't go after him or try to save him multiple times, cuz if John dies, Dutch knows Abigail will just take off with Jack, suddenly theres no connection to Dutch and Jack, his kid is safe, nobody will go after him to get to Dutch, as Dutch wouldn't even bother to save the kids own "father". Later he saves John from Micah sure, but John had left the gang at that point n was raising his kid in a safe place, in RDR1 yes Dutch tries to kill John, but i think Dutch is a bit pissed at that point, he trusted John to look after his kid n he let the Pinkertons take him hostage, it was fucking up the whole plan, in the end the only way for Dutch to save Jack was to kill himself, cuz he coulden't kill John, if he can't kill John he knows the Pinkertons will never let really Jack go, so he took himself out instead hoping the Pinkertons would just get rid of John for not doing the job himself and leave it at that in the end making his son safe. So that's what he did. Just a theory, but it kinda holds doesn't it? Dutch always has a plan.
also explains why he killed Bronte, they could have used him to sell for ransom or interrogate for info on where to find good money, made no sense for Dutch to waste a resource like that, maybe Dutch was still pissed about the kidnapping of his son and had been bottling it up for so long he just exploded.
Well Uncle was the one who introduced Abigail to the gang John says himself so he probably banged her a couple of times then decided to introduce her to the gang she was a prostitute after all and well generally they arent picky
Fully grown, Jack and John have almost the exact same character model, I'm genuinely surprised people believe otherwise. Edit: To those who bring up that John and Arthur have the same character model; they don't. There are many videos covering how John's model is very different from Arthur's (usually they are content restoration videos for epilogue John), but since the devs didn't want to completely re-rig all the animations for the epilogue of 2, they very literally contorted John to be Arthur's size and shape. Before the epilogue, John and Arthur have *very* different builds and looks.
Honestly you gotta remember Abigail. There’s always a chance you will inherit your mother’s facial features more than your fathers. And when Jack was a teenager he actually looks like John, same with when he’s an adult. It’s only the beard that makes him look like Javier.
Btw, I can't recall exactly in which particular mission, but Arthur (and maybe Hosea too, if I'm not wrong) emphasize Jack IS John's son, even though John himself may have doubted. I guess it's that mission in chapter 3 or 2 where Arthur says John he must choose one life or another instead of living two different lives and says something like "the boy IS yours, you know..."
Plot twist- Jack is a 47-like clone of the combined dna of every member of the Van Der Linde gang. *Rockstar: "Don't you move an inch, stay right where you are."*
Feel like it’s Jack’s choice of moustache style that mostly resembles Javier and therefore throws people off more than anything as opposed to any biological traits. Also damn Dutch. Ms Grimshaw, Annabelle, Abigail and Molly. He doesn’t pause for a second does he.
What about how the faces under the beards. They both have gaunt faces, the noses are similar as well as the mouth nose eye placement. The jawline is way more javier than john. And mexicans come in more shades than brown
Maury: John Marston, when it comes to little boy Jack. You are NOT the father. Abigail: *breaks down in tears* John: *gets up and starts dancing the Carlton*
If you compare they're facial structures with a computer software (I did this with my dad after watching this) you find that Jacks face is shockingly closer to arthur's than john OR abigail. But then in the first red dead, jack looks like john. So idk. It seems like they couldn't make up they're mind on weather or not they wanted to make such a huge change.
John is the father, ‘nough said. John was just very insecure about falling in love with the former camp whore, no wonder he had his doubts. Jack was most definitely unplanned though.
unexpected kids happened alot more back then becuase condoms werent a thing yet so if john didnt pull out fast enough he would have gotten her pregnant all it takes is on sperm to fertilize an egg
I would say Dutch is the father but Jack was an unplanned child.
Dutch always has a plan.
Perfect comment! 👌 🥺
Tyler Anderson maybe his plan was for an unplanned child
Tyler Anderson that’s funny
You, sir, have won the comment section lmao.
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The father is Gavin
That's why you can't find him...
IWINTOOMUCH funny I thought it was that hotel owner in Valentine
lmao
I dont think gavin is black
Oh.. Makes sense
@@kimball12812 You rat!
Jack: Dutch can’t be my father....
Dutch: Always doubting me, have you lost faith in me son?
@@90Coolhot Tf
Get a life kid
Flluroz damn, you must be miserable as sh*t to be coming in here and commenting THAT to a stranger
@@RebelleGameOfficial why answer to someone pathetic? just ignore them.
Rebelle You must crave tf out of attention to dress like the bitches from the bath houses in RDR to exploit lonely kids for views. You’d be nothing without your cleavage.
Love how in Arthur's Journal he writes about how he shoulda married Abigail.. Games deep dude
After taking jack for fishing
It would’ve been so funny when Jack said “You killed my father” Edgar said “No, I am your father”
Xpizza470 Looool, just imagine that, everything will be fucked up if it happens
Arthur:👀
Then Jack says "NOOOO! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!"
*Credits roll*
Then there's the pause. Jack's stunned and confused. Edgar whips out a gun and shoots him. "Dumbass".
I have a theory.
It’s between John Marston, Jim Milton or Rip Van Winkle
I Fuckin love you 😂😂😂
@DAD OF BOY oh yeah, so is it rip van winkle or John Marston
Good theory. Mine's kinda lame
His father is Jacob Frye, his grandfather is Colton White, his great grandfather is Arno Dorian, his great great grandfather is Connor, his great great great grandfather is haythem, his great great great great grandfather is Edward kenway, his great great great great great grandfather is Big Boss AKA Snake. The start of his lineage starts with kratos... One of his ancestors is Link. I know it's complicated, but it's true.
Rip van winkle
@@soupcambell7087 colton white from gun?
In the words of a wise old space pirate: “He might’ve been your father, but he wasn’t your daddy.”
Well, I doubt anyone else got this. Might as well. YOOOOOOONDUUUUUUUU!
Nova Kitty at least 42 people got this 🤦🏽♂️
Knight Wolf RIP Yondu
Shmavster 420 don’t you mean Mary poppins?
These wise words were said by Achilles Davenport, very wise words...
I'd love to play as Red Harlow in RDR3 and have it end with a doctor diagnosing him with Lumbago.
That,s cool
“Im sorry son its helluva thing”
@@friccle_ uh what,s that saposse to mean
@@Bigheadednibba3479 people think Red Harlow is the same person as the lazy drunk that doesn’t fucking do anything
@@jokerknight1247 Red dead revolver and redemption are 2 different universes not to mention Revolver is set during the same time as red dead 2 and uncle is already old by that point but yeah red dead revolver isn’t canon with redemption 1 and 2
He's clearly John's son, he's got his hat.
That's indisputable proof right there
Spockitans John has Arthur’s hat during the endgame...so Arthur is John’s dad and therefore Jack’s grandfather.
exactly
Caleb Mealer perfect logic, now who is Arthur’s father
@@Ordomalleus40k you can see a picture Arthur's dad at his bed in camp and a picture of Arthur and Hosea and Dutch together and a picture of his dog.
He who Dwells in your soul the one who has a plan
He's defnitely not uncle's son because then Jack would have been diagnosed with terminal lumbago
LuMbAgO
XD
Hotel? Travago
Uncle? LuMbAgO
Isn't Uncle far too old for Abigail?
@@crazyperson3812 it's the wild West... Things ain't always consentual
Pretty sure if Javier was the main protagonist and married to Abigail and Jack's supposed father, people would be theorising that John is the true dad
Yes I swear some of these fan theories are so stupid
exactly
Perkaholic it’s because most of the gangs male members look like or were designed to look like jack
I'm pretty sure John is the actual father. I think if Abigail could have chosen anyone to be the father of her child it would have been Arthur. The fact that she was always pestering John to take care of Jack even though he hated the idea makes me sure that John really is Jack's dad
Jack is John's son. John took care of Jack, John went into berzerk when he heard Jack got kidnapped, literally ran to Save Jack during O'driscoll ambush, Taught him how to do ranch work, taught him how to ride a horse, Killed 3 men to protect Jack getting harmed, Went to kill Lamaire gang to protect his son,wife and his job, built beecher's hope just for Jack and Abigail to stay in a place, Saved Rufus's life, Hunted Dutch, Bill, Javier just to save Jack and Abigail from custody, Taught Jack how to shoot a rifle, taught him how to herd, taught him how to hunt, saved Jack from bear attack, John protected Abigail and Jack from getting killed.
@Keknov Yeah.
Yeah. If she could lie about Jacks dad, I’d have gone for Dutch or Arthur if I were her.
@@Promthanius you guys are acting like she'd somehow know who the real father was if she had an affair. Say she slept with other men,unless the man wasn't white, she'd have no way of knowing if John or the other men she slept with were the father's.
@@Promthanius I think you're right about Arthur, but I don't know how Dutch would have reacted to Abigail doing that. He desires control and for everything to go to plan and having a child with the group's prostitute would fly in the face of that, so it would probably upset him. Then again, presumably he was trying to keep up the illusion of the kindly, thoughtful, father figure to the gang when Abigail got pregnant, so she might not have realized that yet. I can imagine him dissuading her from believing he was the father or encouraging her to believe one of the men was the father in a way that seemed gentle but was really manipulative.
If Jack had a regular beard then nobody would say he looks like Javier
I always thought he looks like John 😂😂 😂
He will be Bill's son
Facts
Em.. si hola
He looks like John to me.
Maury: The DNA Tests are in. When it comes to 12 year old Jack, John YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER
Abigail: Runs off stage crying
John: Crying
Arthur: You’re alright boah
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tomato Thanks bro
OK SEE YA LATER THEN
Richella River 😂😂
“Yur a good boah”- Arthur Morgan
Guys I have a plan to find out who jacks father is we just need some more money
Pioneer Spongebob one more big score
And most importantly *FAITH*
Where's yo damn faith pioneer spongebob?
You think Micah would would ask questions? NO! He’d say “Let’s go”!
Does it involve a train?
Abigail was convinced beyond all doubt that John was the Father. She didn’t particularly get along with him at that time, so she could have easily dismissed him being the Father immediately but she didn’t. Even when John briefly abandoned them before he came back, she still never denied him being the Father. She had more to gain by having pretty much anyone else in the gang be Jack’s Father more than John, at least she would know that anyone else would be there for him more, like Arthur for example (until John finally faced up to his responsibilities) but she maintained from the very start that he was Jack’s Father. And Arthur himself was convinced of it too, which was why he was so angry with John and slow to forgive him for abandoning Abigail and Jack. I think that’s pretty telling.
looking at the comments so many people are ignroing that fact
Ok, so we proved that Abigail was fixating on the idea that John was the father.
Doesn't prove that he was.
@@happyslapsgiving5421Pretty much does
@@happyslapsgiving5421
- javier joined the gang after her pregnancy
- chances of it being bill are near zero we all know that
- Dutch always had his own women, and absolutely nothing other than the quote of an insane dutch in rdr1 hints that poor 17 yo girl abigail slept with him when she she join
- that leaves arthur, who never doubted John's the dad (the antagonising line is just messing with Jack, plus why does it totally exclude arthur? He would've absolutely tried to take responsibility, to make up for Isaac's passing if there was a chance Jack is his)
Rest of the members either didn't join yet then or there's zero proof they could've slept with abigail so what more proof do u need. He looks like his dad too.
All Jack Marston ever wanted in life is to have another bowl of Spaghetti
Yea given by 'Papa Bronte' as Jack called him
@@benitoincompetini9630 call him mister bronte
I kinda want a game of that. Where Jack goes on a manhunt and a journey for spaghetti.
MassiveMyatt shhahahahah yeeees
*Its like worms.*
Jack had no father and was born from the force
bingo
Janakin Skarston
The Strange Man (Palpatine) made him show up in Abigail's (Shmi) stomach
Makes sense seeing in how he killed agent Miller while utilizing the high ground
@@alexhunter90 more like gringo
No matter who conceived him he is Johns son. John loved, raised, killed and died for Jack.
Cheers to that
That's exactly what I was thinking 😊👍
Well only after he got kidnapped
Facts!!
That’s admirable, but that’s not how biology works.
I feel so sorry for Jack. He was a gentle, sensible boy. John was always annoyed that all Jack wanted to do was sit and read books and never once considered that Jack wanted a better life for himself. Jack had been raised among criminals, living from camp to camp and witnessing how their lifestyle ultimately brought nothing but misery and death. Imagine finally finding peace and quiet in a lovely home (and what a lovely home) just to have it all ripped away. Now, I’m sure Jack would have gotten his revenge and sought justice the proper non-violent way, by the law. But seeing how the law completely F’ed over his father… he had no choice but to become the very last thing he ever wanted to be.
Yeah I remember finishing the first game and thinking the next game will probably be about Jack going postal on the law.
Before playing RDR2: Wtf is this new character, why Jack is a child, well at least John is in it. Where is Rockstar even going with this?
After playing RDR2: No don't take Arthur away from me, he is my spirit animal. I'm not crying.
The entire epilogue part 1 was just me feeling sorry for Jack (or Lancelot)
Exactly.
Well I mean, in those days you really couldn't just sit and do what you wanted lol there was work to be done
His father is actually Jim Milton
Its john jim
@@amsyarzawir4647 it's John Jim Milton Marston Jack
No it's rip van winkle
oH ShIt
Jack Milton
Arthur: "Abigail, I insist that I be the father."
Dutch listening from a few feet away. "He INSISTS?!"
Hehe only true read dead OG'S understand that
Fuck that funny
That’s*
I implore you that Bill is his father 😂
Jarecho Rulez implore 😂😄😄👏
I think the father is the legendary Jim Milton
Lol
This needs more likes lmao
Its actually Alden
Jim Milton rides again 2
woah
Jack has:
- The same build as John
- His face looks like John, as many npcs point out
- John and Abigail are convinced that John is the father
- He has the same shooting skills as John
- In stranger missions that John didn't finish he says the same as his father would word for word
But sure amazing argument that he is Javier's son because he has similar facial hair. Or Dutch's son because his nose is slightly similar.
C’mon the truth is under our nose...He’s Abigail’s Son!
WhErE iS mY gOd DaMn SoN!
Ugh! How stupid could we have been?! It's so obvious!
Ugh! How stupid could we have been?! It's so obvious!
Self impregnation
No shit!
The Father Probably Moved To Tahiti
Maybe guarma
Sadie Adler i wish i could have used that comment
@@averagegameenjoyer4156 or Brazil
@@averagegameenjoyer4156 sup girl where have you been im starting to miss your presence
Yeah I was thinking Guarma
Marston starts with M
Mysterious starts with M.
Man starts with M.
His real father is the Mysterious man.
Hahahaha
illuminati confirmed
Micah starts with M...
@Federal Bureau of Investigations Shu?
Arthur Morgan ITS GAVIN 😂
“we all had her” was just a biting line- Dutch trying to piss John off
I agree. Arthur defenitely didn’t pipe her anyway. “I didn’t know I was talking to a lady”
@Keknov Yeah that too
@Keknov not his wife though, just a waitress
That's what i said
Listen we can find his real father... WE JUST NEED MONEY!
I got a plan!
Just one more big score.
Have some goddam faith! We will find his father.
We'll find his father Tahiti!
WE WILL FIND HIS FATHER JUST ONE MORE TRAIN!!
Jack: * has a mustache *
People: "oMg ItS jAvIeR's SoN"
Heh funny
He does kinda have Javier's facial features if you pay close attention.
@@-Trauma. i was about to say that :v
Javier is MEXICAN, Jack is white af, no dark skin at all.
Rhys yes but this game clearly makes them look similar. Don’t be so dense and deny it
John be like: Abigal Is not my love, She is just a girl who claims that I am the one but the kid is not my son then he moonwalks out of the gang
Daym nice reference!
Michael ‘John’ Jackson
@@rabinabakhtiar726 omg Michael Jackson > MJ. John Marston > JM
@@Yen-dc7nnMohn Jarston
John after realising his family is more important: Abigail is more like a beauty queen, from a game cutscene!
I kind of like the idea that, even if it’s not realistic and more of a symbolic thing, he does resemble everybody somewhat. Like he is the son of the gang, in that he is the last of the legacy it carried.
Maybe abigail is his father and john is his mother, seems logic to me.
I think we have our answer
That is the most reasonable and realistic answer yet. C'mon guys, think.
Sylvan amen
Transsexual thing going on
Get the fuck out 😤
If he gets lumbago in the future, Uncle’s definitely the Dad.
Lumbago is pain in the muscles and joints of the lower back and it is not that uncommon.
@@maximaldinotrap r/woooosh
maximaldinotrap gtfo nerd
@@what827 says the dumbass on a video game video
TERMINAL Lumbago
Jacks dad is obviously the spaghetti he ate while with bronte.
Abu Hajaar Plot twist Bronte is the dad
Papa Bronte
How dumbed down are people? An unfunny lame line like that has 400likes?!? Smh.
@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808 It's funny because it's utterly preposterous.
@@mr.smithgnrsmith7808 you sound kinda salty man :( lighten up, also dont get mad* about humor, its subjective haha
Is it just me because when Jack was a little kid in Rdr2. Jack looks more identical to Arthur than John
@@cmywings8593 if we already know Abigail has brown eyes then there’s no real way to determine the fathers eye color based on jack. considering any color other than brown is recessive, he’s already predisposed to having brown eyes because it’s the dominant gene, regardless of fathers eye color. Also both parents don’t have to carry the recessive gene to have a blue eyed child. Two brown eyed parents can have a none brown eyed child as long as one carries the recessive gene, they don’t even have to present the gene physically they just need to be a carrier. So Arthur is a completely viable candidate to be his father in this circumstance.
Jack and John also both have attached lobes. Arthur had loose lobes.
Apparently if your dad had loose lobes and yours are attached... sorry 😞
Both Abigail and John have dark brown hair, but both Arthur and Jack have light brown hair
@Keknov yeah you're right then I guess his hair became darker as he grew up.
@@cmywings8593 my mom has brown eyes and my dad has blue but me and my bro were born with blue
“You don’t look much like a Marston”
“Stop it!”
“Maybe a Williamson, or an Escuella”
Arthur can roast absolutely anyone
Robert California *jack runs away crying as everyone points their guns at Arthur*
Goku Ultra instintc what’s weird about Javier, he’s a badass
Or a Matthews?
Timb Town USA yeah he also dresses well too
Robert California I always tried to bully him to 😂
Come on now even a blind man can tell that Rains Fall is the father
I thought it was lenny lol
@@sickinsidelv9256 that would mean that Lenny was 15 when Jack was born
@@sebengeli5913 r/whoosh
It’s GAVIN!! He hit it and just quit it and never to be seen again.
GAV??? GAV??? GAVIN!!!!
That is what Abigail said
i was going to say that :))
Jessie Granbury hahah😂
GAV...IN
Jack: *Literally a copy of his father*
Everyone: WhO Is JaCk'S rEaL fAtHeR????
No offence just a joke 😂
Nah you're speaking facts.
@@shawarmaboy4844 not really
well they don't exactly look alike just similar
Jack in 1914 is John's model with Abigail's face and a mustache
You're right
Never mind that he looks almost exactly like John when he’s an adult
True. My first reaction when I saw him as an adult was "oh wow, he's the spitting image of John."
Nah he looks like he got some bean in him. Jack escuella
@@koehler45 umm... inappropriate?
koehler45 yeah because of his mustache
I saw Jack in this thumbnail and fr thought that it was just John with a silly beard. (Haven't played RDR1) Idk why people find this so theory-worthy, he is obviously John's son, in all the ways. The only reason people doubt this is because John is so goddamn stupid that he has to audibly question his son's parentage. John was obviously very much in denial about wanting and having a family, and wanted to excuse himself from it in a cheap way.
It's obviously Gavin.. The resemblance is uncanny.
Gav... Gavin? GAVIIIIN?!
I'm so worried
How do u know what gavin looks like
Voodoo God r/woosh
Oakley Fugate Have you seen Gavin!? Where is he?
The giant in the cave is Jack's real father
Lmao
abigail had a real fun eh
Oh no...
Damn Abigail
YOU EAT BABIES
Since Abigail slept around, I imagine it’s like a build a bear. Different varieties for a unique kid
That’s not how that works
Considering microchimerism is a thing that might actually be the case lol
Maybe that's how it work's in the rdr universe
Jack has John's shifty eyes, he's John's son.
His dad is actually Uncle, Mr.Lumbago himself
L U M B A G O
Uncles real name is Larry, lumbago larry
@@giornogiovanna2382 LARRY! Get to work!
I can't...
*I G O T L U M B A G O*
Hahahahahahshshshshahahaha
Uncle got over the Lumbago long enough to fuck Abigail I guess...
Jacks real father is currently squeezing mangoes in Tahiti
Captain Monroe... Arthur suggests tahiti to him.
@Dutch Van Der Linde I donated a million bucks !!! We didn't need to go to tahiti , we could just have bribed the government , buy mansions in saint Denis and live their!!!! Heck we could have bough the whole goddamn Tahiti!!!!!!
Does this plan have a damn train ? You needs more ? I just donated 10000 dollars more can we now go to Tahiti? Or we are gonna buy Tahiti ?
But why ? Last time hosea and lenny died when we tried to rob a bank this time who will die ? We have enough money !!! Tell me how much more you want ?
@Dutch Van Der Linde okay but what kind of robbery is this ? Train robbery ? Bank robbery ? Ferry robbery ? Charlotte the widdow who lives north of annesburg ?
Jack looks like a little but of everyone because they all raised him in a way. He has Arthur's loyalty, Dutch's and Hosea's poetic/theatric guile, Javier's passion, Johns kindness, even Lenny's intelligence. If we get a game to play as Jack more im sure Uncles sarcastic nonchalantness, and Stauss's business acumen. But the one thing he inherited from the gang was they're collective badassness.
that's not how genetics work
Environment shapes the individual. Mean sure Jack was young but he was still raised in the gang. They all affected him so its not far fetched to say he's got a piece of everyone of the gang in him
I believe that John Marston is Jack’s father, but that it was important for John to process and deal with the doubt; it was a part of his journey to becoming a father, growing into fatherhood.
Well explained
@ thanks!
Can't disagree
mah jack marston is johns father
@@user-rt4og9ci2o lmao
Dutch:"Do you remember what I tell you everyday, Jack?"
Jack:"th-that y-you always have a p-pl-"
*Dutch:"tO hAVe sOME gODdAMN fAITh!!"*
Lmaaaao
Why is he talking like that
He then proceeds to huck a mango at him lol
I laughed so hard and I refuse to like bcuz 420
Have some faith and we'll go to Tahiti
I think Sadie is jacks dad
bruh
I knew it lol
Idk.. he definitely resembles Tilly more
Its lennys
Boi
Starting strangers as John and finishing them as Jack always has the stranger remark about how much he looks like John. Some of them even think he IS John until he corrects them.
His father is in Tahiti with lumbago
HSJSKNSNS
No it guarma
The dad is Red Harlow
Jack reads books and Arthur reads books. hmmmmmmmm?
Dutch and John can read too --
Jack wanted to be a writer and Arthur was a writer. Hmmm indeed...
So does ynnel !!!!!!!!!
That's why I think it's Dutch, Jack don't look enough like Arthur or Hosea, Go back to RDR1 watch the "father son" interactions not only are they awkward as fuck, but Jack is definitely more intelligent than John. Also think about how Dutch was willing to let John die or rot in prison after the Bronte incident (whom i think Dutch killed as revenge for Jack), why might he do that? Maybe he wants Abigail and Jack to leave the gang so Jack won't be at risk in the crossfire anymore, good way to accomplish that is to let John get killed right? Later he saves him from Micah, why? John is protecting his son, is not with the gang, n is in a safe place, Dutch wants him to live at that point, then he goes back to John one day invites him on a robbery to find out if he is truly done with the gang life, John fails the test n goes with Dutch, Dutch turns on him for the safety of his son, but John survives n his son gets taken by the Pinkertons, at that point Dutch feels he really has to kill John, and make sure he dies, otherwise the Pinkertons will always be pestering his son, making his boy suffer for his choices, and Dutch wouldn't want that, he for sure would have wanted his boy to have a clean slate and freedom to grow, and live on his own terms just like he did. I mean he'd leave the boy without a father, but Dutch did fine without his, he probably thought it'd be better for him that way, help him grow strong. When he realizes he can't kill John, Dutch instead kills himself hoping it will make the Pinkertons suspicious of John for not taking him out, and take him out too just to be safe. Like he said they'll always be looking for a new monster, and as long as they are looking at John, Jack wasn't truly safe. That's my Dutch theory, and why i think he called falling to his own death, a plan.
also look at the first reaction from Dutch when John is free from prison, it was like Arthur fucked up his plan, am telling ya's he wanted Abigail to get pissed over them doing nothing, and take off with Jack, so his son could be away from the gang, and safe.
Jacks Real father is the English man Gavin. That’s why he went missing cause he ain’t trying to pay child support
What a lad
It would make sense if he was black
Gaviiiinn ?
Goku Ultra instintc like Nelson’s dad from the Simpsons
Have you seen my mate Gavin? GAVVVVVV
I'd say since she slept with most of the men (not counting hosea because it be wierd if she saw him as a father if she slept with him) so he's Dutch's, Arthur's, Javiur, and most importantly john's
After many sleepless nights and a ball of yarn, i boiled the suspects down to:
1) John
2)Arthur
3) The White Arabian
4) Saint Denis gunsmith
5) The Legendary Moose
John
And not the vampire of san denis ?
I think its 3
Christian Todorov
Idk... That Legendary moose seems convincing enough.
More like the Gunsmith in Rhodes- he seems like Jack's father.... *WAIT, what if Jack IS his son and the Gunsmith's son died and he stroll across and met Abigail, shagged her and got her pregnant- not know he did and kidnapped that ging?!?!?!*
The one who raised him and loves him is his Father = John Marston.
@Bumbee King everyone fucking knows that everyone just wants to know who the biological dad is
Dutch may have been the boy's father, but he wasnt his daddy
The Bat Anne not at first it was hosea
Andrew Knepp nice reference
That may be true, but curiosity about blood relatives is still something I want to know
Jack Marston: has a mustache/soul patch combo. The internet: Javier, you are the father.
@James Whittemore compare their RDR 1 models and tell me: HOWWW
I do have some sweet ass facial hair
I always assumed that Dutch was trying to get in John’s head when he says Abigail slept with all the gang and that it wasn’t actually the case, just part of his master manipulation playing into Johns own doubts that Dutch knew about from years ago.
Abigail is always crying to Arthur to save the boy or take him fishing..
She only did that one time
She did that, like, once
That’s what I think
AND he literally dies for them.
But during the mission she said his FATHER was useless so that excludes Arthur
Come on guys, its obiously lenny
Leeeenaaaaaaaay
Lenney?
Ohel González so Jack can say the n word now.
Lenny!
Bruh lenny joined the gang in 1899 even though ik ur joking
At least it ain't Micah
Spartan 119 Micah came along later in the gang . Jack was born before that and by then Abigail probably stopped being a whore
You cant know..
That would kill me
@@Sewage105 probably? She definitely did.
Nord of Skyrim nahh...it’s Uncle.🤦🏻♂️
"It doesn't matter who Jack Marston's father is!" --The Rock
When I first saw Jack in rdr I thought he was a Mexican looking in John’s graveyard
Brando Martinez 💀💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂he really do look Hispanic tho
omg 😂
Kinda makes sense cuz John was in the Mexican revolution and was the strongest and powerful guy in the Mexican rebel.
Well, if you look at the lighting in some scenes, John even looks Mexican at points. It's not very consistent. I believe Jack is supposed to represent a physical manifestation of most of the gang members because he's really all that's left of the gang.
What if jack is John's father? ??
Jonathan Black What if Uncle is the mother
What if Jack is Abigail mother?
What if the Count (dutch horse) is the father abigail with her little fetish
What if Pearson is the daughter?
What kind of uno reverse card black magic did you pull? Lmao
It's Uncle. He was quite the ladies man before he got lumbago.
It is, after all, a serious condition.
John marston do you believe in reincarnation?
Well uncle did bring her into the gang the old whore monger
That goddamn lumbago
That god darn lumbago buoy
Truth: Bro is a mix of everyone
Even got a little bit of Lenny in him
Group project
They ran a train on her. There's always a goddamn TRAIN!
Jack Collins lol
Some won’t understand this joke, but still 😂
Of course there was, they were trying to make a lot of noise.
😁😁😁😁
I have a plan Arthur you just need to have some faith. Your not going soft on me Arthur are you?
Dutch is probably the father... he had a plan but never a plan b.
The reason plan B didn't work is because Abigail didn't have enough faith (or money).
Smooth Steve I think you mean muneh
@@cptcarrot5455 Yes, that's exactly what I meant. How dare I not spell it right. I appreciate you setting me straight. Next time boah, I'll have a better PLAUHN.
You're okay, boah.
Having john think he is jack's father, but his father actually being Dutch is almost too perfect, explains why he doesn't go after him or try to save him multiple times, cuz if John dies, Dutch knows Abigail will just take off with Jack, suddenly theres no connection to Dutch and Jack, his kid is safe, nobody will go after him to get to Dutch, as Dutch wouldn't even bother to save the kids own "father". Later he saves John from Micah sure, but John had left the gang at that point n was raising his kid in a safe place, in RDR1 yes Dutch tries to kill John, but i think Dutch is a bit pissed at that point, he trusted John to look after his kid n he let the Pinkertons take him hostage, it was fucking up the whole plan, in the end the only way for Dutch to save Jack was to kill himself, cuz he coulden't kill John, if he can't kill John he knows the Pinkertons will never let really Jack go, so he took himself out instead hoping the Pinkertons would just get rid of John for not doing the job himself and leave it at that in the end making his son safe. So that's what he did. Just a theory, but it kinda holds doesn't it? Dutch always has a plan.
also explains why he killed Bronte, they could have used him to sell for ransom or interrogate for info on where to find good money, made no sense for Dutch to waste a resource like that, maybe Dutch was still pissed about the kidnapping of his son and had been bottling it up for so long he just exploded.
It could be Uncle, he could’ve gotten with Abigail. But then again, he has his LUMBAGO so I doubt it.
Well Uncle was the one who introduced Abigail to the gang John says himself so he probably banged her a couple of times then decided to introduce her to the gang she was a prostitute after all and well generally they arent picky
They voices do sound alike come to think of it lmao
Unless... that's how he got his lumbago... 🤔
I got terminal lumbago
Lmfao! This whole thread just killed me! 😂😂😂
@6:20 “Oh, it’s somewhere in the back of my Philosophy books, John.” lmao
Fully grown, Jack and John have almost the exact same character model, I'm genuinely surprised people believe otherwise.
Edit: To those who bring up that John and Arthur have the same character model; they don't. There are many videos covering how John's model is very different from Arthur's (usually they are content restoration videos for epilogue John), but since the devs didn't want to completely re-rig all the animations for the epilogue of 2, they very literally contorted John to be Arthur's size and shape. Before the epilogue, John and Arthur have *very* different builds and looks.
Not at all
@@YBAM They do though, the devs literally copy pasted John's model and made slight tweaks to the facial features, Jack looks just like John.
@Ben J no
Same with Arthur and John in the second game, johns face was not that big in rdr1
He's John's model with Abigail's face and a mustache
Honestly you gotta remember Abigail. There’s always a chance you will inherit your mother’s facial features more than your fathers. And when Jack was a teenager he actually looks like John, same with when he’s an adult. It’s only the beard that makes him look like Javier.
When he was a kid he looked like a morgan lol
@@croxymoc3254 morgen had mary
Yep he does :)
Your* dumbass.
I look like my Milkman!
He’s definitely John’s son
SNGaming definitely. John is a beloved character. Throwing invalid doubt on jacks lineage only emphasizes the themes of redemption.
Btw, I can't recall exactly in which particular mission, but Arthur (and maybe Hosea too, if I'm not wrong) emphasize Jack IS John's son, even though John himself may have doubted. I guess it's that mission in chapter 3 or 2 where Arthur says John he must choose one life or another instead of living two different lives and says something like "the boy IS yours, you know..."
No it Jim Milton
@@succ9147 Name's John..- JIM MILTON
@@succ9147 Rip Van Winkle
Plot twist- Jack is a 47-like clone of the combined dna of every member of the Van Der Linde gang.
*Rockstar: "Don't you move an inch, stay right where you are."*
🤦🤦🤦
Oh I'm not the only who got this joke
F B I O P E N U P
In reality, Rockstar would not only offer you a job for that idea, they’d automatically promote you to head of the storyboard. 😂
@@giornogiovanna2382 *Y O U S H O U L D H A V E D O U B L E S P A C E S*
When jack kills someone he'll shout out "Im john marston's boy!"
And when he skins an animal he says "Just Like you tought me PA"
WORK YA DAMN NAG
John marstons BOAh?
i remember that, he also said "IM JACK MARSTON!"
I heard that if he kills a dog he says
" Guess I just miss my Rufus "
Feel like it’s Jack’s choice of moustache style that mostly resembles Javier and therefore throws people off more than anything as opposed to any biological traits.
Also damn Dutch. Ms Grimshaw, Annabelle, Abigail and Molly. He doesn’t pause for a second does he.
And Mary-Beth would almost be next.
why say "choice of moustache style" like he is a real person that can shape his own facial hair
What about how the faces under the beards. They both have gaunt faces, the noses are similar as well as the mouth nose eye placement. The jawline is way more javier than john.
And mexicans come in more shades than brown
......and if you notice they're all dead-
What a player
John :- *YOU EAT BABIES*
Jack :- *YOU KILLED HIM*
he is uncle's child because i think jack said something about lumbago
@Bad Cattitude SWEEEET HOME ALABAMA!
Where the skies are so blue!.......
@Bad Cattitude He's not actually his uncle, everyone just calls him, "Uncle."
@@chimblemasterofchimney4771 It Was a joke Man...
@Kheops The same reason people like you exist.
Maury: John Marston, when it comes to little boy Jack. You are NOT the father.
Abigail: *breaks down in tears*
John: *gets up and starts dancing the Carlton*
Prof. Genki Abigail runs back stage and falls to the ground
Camera man chases her
I love how black people say Maurys name on his show.. Murry... lol
*John shoots up the building and kills everyone*
@@mooseboombastic8175 Why?
Bruh
easy you damn nag
@@seamuswbiggerarmalite3379 oh that sentence
Hey Jack
Who is your dad
JOHN, WHEN IT COMES TO 6 YR OLD JACK...
*YOU ARE THE FATHER!!*
Me after playing rdr2 - “Mom, can a black haired girl and a black haired guy have a blonde child?”
Mom - “No.”
Me - ಠ_ಠ
They can if one of their parents has blond hair but the change is slim but possible
@Assam Khan you sure do have a point Mr. Khan
Every reference to Cersei’s sons in GOT is purely casual
Recessive genes means it's possible, but unlikely.
Well black hair is a stupid thing because John has brown hair in red dead redemption 1 but in rdr2 he has black hair
That's why jack has brown hair
Jack’s real father is Colm O’Driscoll.
Damn O'Driscoll
@@duck-mh979 damnit you beat me to it
Oh god no
It's Ross. Abigail decided to take a day off and met Ross.
Jack killed his real father.
At least one sane person here
Eh, Ross was gay anyway
that would make two Marstons to say "I've come for you ross"
@@ApolloStratis fuck me that was good
Leon Vanderlinden lol no.
**someone gets headshoted **
"I'm John Marston's boy!"
I TOLD YOU
Headshoted
Is that a reference or something? Or you just got it wrong twice?
Javier cant be his dad, he joined a year after jack was born
Actually he joined in 1895, 4 years before the story takes place, and that also happens to be the year jack is born. My source is the red dead wiki.
His father is the Legendary Alligator
well it fucked me a few times, so its possible
Luke Stanley yeah same
Luke Stanley yeah same
"we need to find out who jack's real father is"
dutch: *I HAVE A PLAN*
You gotta have *Faith* , Arthur! Listen; there's this train coming our way. It has all the answers on board.
'' BUT WE NEED MONEY ! ''
One more time, and we're all done.
Arthur. You left me for DEAD
Dutch. ... I did what i had to DO ...
Uncle: LUMBAGO
1 am: one more video
3 am: *who is Jack Marston's real father?*
Yellothazine 4:10am for me but I’m on the boat. 😐
More like 5 am for me
6am
Lmao its 3 am rn
3:50 am This is dead on
Plot twist john marston is actually jacks mother
Arthur and John: I insist.
Dutch: oH *rEaLlY*
He iNsISt
I must implore
Munro Steel Implore? you always were one for fancy words John
@@munrosteel2443 you implore me you we're always one for fancy words
@@buildawall5803
I implores you
John
Sorted Flyer me
gavin
Sly Marbo
Sorted Flyer lmao jack looks exactly like john😂😂
Tahiti
Jacks real father died of lumbago
Joel Holme jacks real father is lumbago
Jack is L U M B A G O
Real sad but true;(
Lumbago is not deadly
Sean Macguire r/wooosh
He literally looks like John with a spray tan
I always thought jack looked too latino to be a marston. Maybe Javier afterall? I remember thinking this back in 2010-2011
@@JG-xt7yg all i remember is that john is from far up north birthwise
@Tyson Denny Dorsia is a chicks restaurant.
He was born in Chicago, his Dad was a Scot fresh off the boat and died when John was 8. He left and never looked back after
Not really. What is Latino though? There are full white ones and mixes of others. Pretty sure both of Johns parents are Europeans.
Rhaenyra Targaryen which is where the Spanish came from to eventually create the mixed race goodness we have today. Latino/a 😂
It's Lenny. If you notice in the epilogue when jack is driving a wagon he yells "yuh" which is rapper slang
Raspy Potato it can’t be because Lenny joined the gang in 1899 and Jack was born in 1895
R/woosh
Bruh I can just imagine jack coming out black. That would be fucking hilarious!
TheLivvy1x bruh
@@lerombus6020 well even if lenny was the dad that doesn't mean he would come out black
Uncle? Oh, god... Well, if Jack ever develops terminal lumbago, I guess we'll know for sure...
If you compare they're facial structures with a computer software (I did this with my dad after watching this) you find that Jacks face is shockingly closer to arthur's than john OR abigail. But then in the first red dead, jack looks like john. So idk. It seems like they couldn't make up they're mind on weather or not they wanted to make such a huge change.
I think they just reused assests for jack
John is the father, ‘nough said. John was just very insecure about falling in love with the former camp whore, no wonder he had his doubts. Jack was most definitely unplanned though.
unexpected kids happened alot more back then becuase condoms werent a thing yet so if john didnt pull out fast enough he would have gotten her pregnant all it takes is on sperm to fertilize an egg
Stop puting a package on another mans responsibility.
There is sperm in the precum and that leaks out continually, so there is actually no such thing as the "pull-out-method".
True even if john pulled out before he ejaculated Abigail would still get pregnant because the woman can still get pregnant with the pre cum