Don't forget that the b58 is going to weight much less than the 2jz, both improving weight distribution, handling , and acceleration, as this car is lighter than the a80 and packs way more tech and modern safety standards. The new a90 is a far superior design
Not even 200lbs lighter, nothing to write home about. With no backseat, shorter wheelbase and lighter shortblock this car should have topped out at 3100lbs max, not 3351lbs. Regardless the MKIV was a GT car, the new one is a sport car. Comparing the MKIV vs its 90s rivals it was a step ahead. Compare the MKV to those same rivals today, its waay behind and i blame the cheap price and partnership cost cutting measures. I would have paid $70k+ for a Supra with a toyota engine, better interior, and more transmission options. I just hope the aftermarket and the 2nd generation supras will offer better features. And let's stop kidding ourselves, the B58 may be a decent engine but no one is swapping it into other cars.
It can't be lighter all at once but it is not going to produce power like the 2JZ does. That's like saying a 200 horsepower 420a will be just as fast as a 200 horsepower 4g63t no not even close because the engines produce power differently and a 2JZ is far superior
I completely agree. I watched a lot of videos putting down the 2JZ because so many people wanted to see a 3jz instead of the B58 in the new Supra. I think your comment strongly outlines what I was trying to say in this video.
EM6285 1NZ-FE, 2ZZ-GE, 2AZ-FE, 2AR-FE, and 2GR-FE are beautiful small 4 cylinder engines. And I own a 2015 Scion xB with a 2.4L 2AZ-FE. Also don’t forget the sweet ass 2.7L 2TR-FE as well.
@@toyotabrony I think the 2.7L 2TR-FE is close deck engine as it is just an evolution of the 2.7L 3RZ-FE engine block. Both 3RZ and 2TR have the same specs for bore and stroke.
At 1:50 you stated, "Toyota in my history has never made an open deck block...ever." Then I stopped watching your video. Fun fact, almost all of Toyota's engines today are open deck blocks.
@@malcolmross6510 I already did. Just saying, if your going to make a reputable RUclips video on a topic, you should probably do your research first bud.
@@godofdestructiondiecast6756 well then along that mentality, should we call the Lamborghini Huracan an "Audi Huracan"?...or a McLaren F1 a "BMW F1"?....or how about your beloved MKIV Surpa, should we call it a "Yamaha Supra"? Welcome to the real world...take off your brittle-spirited eye glasses.
@@EVDOsmurf what you do know Audi owns Lamborghini the huracan is a rebadged Audi R8 they both have v10 with all-wheel drive systems it's the same car now the McLaren F1 had a BMW engine that's why you see call it a BMW McLaren and that's why this is a BMW Supra
not very good info. b58 makes 700hp on stock intercooler. just needs fuel which people use methanol. stock turbo is good for 480 at the wheels which means over 500hp
@Sandy Lee I just think the guy meant it seems random. Idk, to me it seemed a bit random of a comment in relation to what he said. Or you saying that it can't meet that power? And those were why? Just a lost viewer here lol
I know a guy who's supra made 503 rwhp on stock sequential turbos using an AEM infinity setup, then he built the head and cams and made 1100+ rwhp with sbe. It never failed but he built the motor now and is over 1300 hp
F'ing buy the damn car or DON'T, it's your choice, Toyota aren't holding a gun to your head. I've never seen so many so-called adults be so immature on the one tiny subject.
@@pepeiann extra $15k for something more burnerable to coolant and cooling failture, tell me how is it feel to have an IQ of 160? I don't know but i'll buy the Supra and with those $15k spend it to make a GTR Killer.
@Brad Viviviyal Oh you magnificent idiot, i actually grew up with one MK4 Supra at my reach, hopefully owning it one day, but by that time i would probably own one myself or a 03' IS300 with the GTE conversion (not engine swap), a GTR can get to 700hp with just ECU tuning etc etc, the B58 can also reach that horsepower rating with the same things, but my theory is that the B58 internals hold up to 750hp, the block since is closed deck, can hold a bit more than 1000hp, after that Billet block time, just like the GTR, i bet that the VR38 stock block holds that power also and maybe more since its around 3790cc's aluminum also
@@stellaroid The B58 makes max torque at 1,600 rpm... the new Audi S4 with twin scroll turbo makes peak torque at 1,370 rpm... twin scroll seems to be better for every-day driving to me...
On one of the bmw forums there was this guy back in 2014 he said that toyota was involved in the development of b58 and it was based on the 2jz rather than n54
When the new supra comes out I wouldn’t be surprised to see guys already slapping gigantic turbos on the B58 to see how far this engine can go since it has to live to to the legacy of the 2JZ we’ll see I’m very excited tho
Thank u someone that doesn't hate this engine (no hate on the 2jz but I REALLY want to see some other straight six engine face the 2jz other than the barra)
Pathetic design? 5xs the cooling. N54's have been pushing over 800wheel for years on stock internals. I'm near 700 myself. Silly condescending bias. MHD flashed ecu with my cell phone. Nobody daily's 2k hp. For the average 400-800 range daily drivers the lighter, better cooling, direct injected N54 and B58>2JZ all day.
I own both. i have a 1jzgte head mated up to a stock 2jzgte shortblock that makes 857hp and a fbo b58 that makes 400hp. if i wanna feel like i wanna die i would take the 1.5jz out and if i wanna go fast on the corner with everyday driving the b58 is more fun.
@Φιλιππος Βρεντζος No, please stop, Crank is always higher than wheel horsepower, don't make more of a fool out of yourself. There is something called drivetrain losses, ever heard of those? best case the wheel horsepower is the same as crank horsepower. If a wheel/hub Dyno measures higher than crank the dyno is just plain wrong! That's taking into account the engine is the same throughout both tests.
I'm studying engineering and some aluminum alloys can be just as strong as steel, and that's the reason they use it for planes, because its lighter then steel but just as strong as it in certain instances.
@@TeensierPython you obviously missed the point I made 3 years ago, and ignored what I said, I didn't say all nor did I say most, I said some. No duh that steel has higher tensile strength and toughness compared to aluminum, the properties are chemically bonded I'm such a way by nature and by our human intuitiveness to make it so, my point here was saying that aluminum alloys can be strong as some steel, yet lighter and that's the reason they use for certain applications that steel can't be used for.
Lmao I’ve been at 2jz motors for a decade and you still favored the 2jz like a fanboy. Equal bpu outcomes when the b58 is 12.0:1 and single turbo stock? Lollll too many people are mad that the mk5 is gonna devalue the mk4 the way the mk4 devalued the mk3 🐸🍵
If you seriosuly think the mark 5 will de value the mark 4 your tripping. Mark 4 prices have rocketed since the arrival of the mark 5 and they will continue to rise.
It will ONLY be as good as the 2JZ if the aftermarket support starts to match the 2JZ. But yes, BMW did an excellent job beefing up their motor design to actually handle a fuck ton of power. Its impressive that a lot of the stock internals can handle 1000HP.
Sandy Lee easy on the homophobic comments... but yea.. this guy needs to check his facts before spewing misinformation like it’s going to be overlooked.
@@sleet376 nope im talking about the celica-supra, the mkII supra, the mk3 supra and now the a90, none of these models had 2Js in them, are you referencing Saigos drift supra? That is a pretty sick car i must admit.
@@sleet376 yeah could be a common mod but 2j's are getting a bit thin on the ground and pricey now, if u didnt want to go much over 700hp u could easily do it with the b58 i reckon.
Weve made over 900hp with only arp studs and a head gasket!! Same setup for 2 race seasons. No issues except coil packs occasionally lol. Oh btw these are NC race seasons which are damn near year round lol.
I apologize for this statement on the open deck block. I had edited the words forced induction out of the video by accident. Open deck is fine for naturally aspirated engines but not turbocharged. I will make another video about this soon. Thank you for an interesting comment. I like this kind of feedback
Quite a bit of misinformation as some have already stated here. A couple things i caught that no one else stated is first, the 2jzgte (USDM) has 540 not 550 injectors stock. Also the USDM has afm/maf + map and you can actually use 1k resistors to avoid the fuel cut when going BPU. My 98 6 speed currently has a resistor and i run 16lbs of boost via a waste gate shim. BPU on a 2jzgte can be had with very little money. If you are going to talk about power figures, you need to compare the transmissions too because the V160/V161 is a solid tranny and the B58 transmission, well we still don't have a lot of data out because it's a new(er) engine and there just aren't a ton of 700+hp examples out there.
This is so ridiculous....how many people are going over 500hp....really its such a small percentage of people....anyone going 1000 hp has the money to put any engine in the car so whats the difference what engine is in there originally😒
I agree. People who hear stories of the 2JZ think that because it can make 1000 horsepower, means it's cheap and easy to make 1000 horsepower, and then will last forever at 1000 horsepower. Give me 5-600 horsepower any day on the street. I'm not trying to kill myself, go to jail, or go broke.
@LinusFoamTips tell me what percentage of people do you think are trying to hit 1000 hp....you acting like this is common...its not....500 people on 5 supra forums patting a couple handfuls of guys in speedshops on the back....give me a break this is not the first engine to make 1000hp and its not even a toyota engine yamaha had a huge hand in making the 2jz....and by the time you hit 1000hp what parts are even left over from the original engine?
You're nothing but a Jz fanboy I suppose, The only downside of B58s is that the block doesn't allow over 800 horses to be pushed to the flywheel safely due to the fact that it has an aluminum block, I agree... BUT.. as a street car why would you even want to go over 700w/hp?? You want to build a dragster? Use a stroked 2JZ.. or LSx maybe? Wan't a reliable Lamborghini killing street car.. Modify the "Already existing" B58 and you're owning maybe over 80% of street legal vehicles.. I would love to have a 2JZ under my the bonnet no doubt.. But if it already has a B58.. Hell I'm not swapping that out.. This is not an informative video what so ever, hence "2JZ is the ultimate winner".. Maybe change the video title to: My absolute personal opinion on the B58 vs 2JZ. Edit: Kind of reliable Lamborghini killing street car.
Great video! However.... As to the subject of open-deck design, your comments were all wrong. Open deck is indeed less strong, but if it is properly designed [Porsche has done this quite often with no problems], then this works just fine AND it allows far better coolant flow to and from the head.
Honda B and D series are open deck and can handle power fine. Up to 400 then sleeves start to crack. So yes closed deck is better. It's what made the 2jz Iron block closed deck indestructible. You can add a pressed block guard to the honda engines and then they can handle as much as closed deck. There's 1000 whp b series I've seen watch?v=6HiRMq9IsNg. cylindersupportsystem.com/
Ok, its a nice video but i think your trying to give the B58 negative reputation because your a JZ guy, you mentioned the block material as its aluminum and it cant handle power because of the centrifugal force. What do you think of a V6 60 degree aluminum block with +2k HP (VR38DETT) ? what about the cam phasing dont you think if it can be controlled well we can raise the power for higher RPM?, B58 have a small 82mm bore dont you think there is ability to bore the liner? we all know as you do the aluminum is much lighter than iron dose it mean anything ? compare 1991 and 2015 in engineering design !!! . im a V8 guy but im honest when it is about POWER
hussain alhubaishi you cant bore out the B58 block I've heard from BMW guys. When the block goes, its garbage. Closed deck or not, its not going to be as robust as the 2jz. Plus that higher compression worries me and we still dont know the full specs on the transmission, will it be able to handle over 500rwhp? I'm hoping so if its sinilar to the ZF Hellcat transmission
@@shadyshinichi2JZ dear, even aluminum blocks can be honed, even if you asked BMW guys and they said it cant be, there is a manufacturing specification that can help, in the future youll see some rotating kits for it (stroker) .... do you really worry about compression, the thing you can simply control by a head gasket.... i like JZ engine and i had a good power with them and im looking for the newer higher tech engines
@@hussainalhubaishi1720 yeah. Idk why I said that a week ago. Compression ratio is changed by adding or removing matiral from the piston or combustion chamber.
I am not surprised people will continue praising the 2JZ till this day. Yes, it was a great engine but in stock form it wasn’t all that. I drove one that made 500 hp from a single turbo. It was exactly what you said. The turbo spooled up so late that you had to watch out for the power hitting while mid corners. Yeah, I didn’t like the engine with that 500 HP tune at all. For me the new B58 and the new Supra are way better cars then the 90’s Supra was. I know there’ll be some angry people out because of me saying these things. (:
I'd definitely take the new one. I'd rather have 335HP (edit: and if can easily get bumped above 400HP, even better) I can have confident fun with, and especially when it comes to everyday driving.
It doesnt matter what the engine is This car was all about the looks and 90’s Supra was one of the ultimate smoothest works of Japanese art. This newer supra bmw looks like a toy a Miata a 370z a gt86
People have been tuning engines with variable valve timing and lift systems for many, many years. Almost all modern german engines have variable valve timing and many have variable valve lift systems. Also, forged and CNC milled are two completely different things.
Yes they did amazing things with the B58, but they changed everything about the stock platform. Removed the direct injection, removed the intake intercooler etc. it’s a great engine and I’m not trying to criticize it but it LOSERS only in one category of absolute highest HP capacity because of the Aluminium block. It beats the 2JZ everywhere else, I’m not sure why everyone gets so upset, you have to give the 2JZ the respect it deserves, it’s the most swapped engine on the planet for good reason. There are so many BMW’s with 2JZ’s but not many Toyota’s with BMW’swaps
B58 is the New 2JZ, B58 only needs minor mods to get big Hp, the new S58 is the King stock motor, stock transmission only bolts on you can make 1000HP.
@@thatgamertho227 I doubt any head gasket would survive high boost and high compression levels any reasonable amount of time, rods and piston rings also. A lot of these new motors get good torque low end because the turbos are mounted directly to the block, which has an integrated manifold. I'm not certain about this motor, but it is a better design which allows the coolant system to cool the exhaust gasses before entering the turbo. This helps the engine warm up faster, and prevent turbo wear, while shortening the gap the exhaust pressure has to travel to the turbo. Also, water to air intercooling shortens the length of intake piping which reduces initial lag.
@@DaveDuzzit This has a regular turbo manifold, not like some of the new VW's with an integrated manifold in the cylinder head. They are torquey due to good turbo design, lightweight materials and twin scroll turbine housings. Not to mention the amazing variable valve timing that these have on both cams.
The problem when you try to make a video to have a maximum of clicks is, especially when you rush it, that you can fall flat on your face. First dyno runs of the Supra tend to show that the japanese have published power curves that are incredibly understated. The first dyno's that are now coming out in the US are showing around 390 HP - STOCK. Also, lots of the mods you are talking us about are illegal procedures in nearly all countries I know about. Some few countries are allowing modding your engine in those extents and will still allow you to drive on the streets.
Integral exhaust manifold for 4? ports, Doesn't sound good.. Factory manifolds are badly designed when it comes to outright performance, Efficiency of airflow.. So when modified the two ports are going to be vastly more efficient then the others?
the 2jz you could work on without a bunch of expensive tools the Germans love making complicated shit its got to be complicated to be German nothing is simple with them
@LinusFoamTips it has a ZF transmission that's well known for being extremely reliable and a fast shifting auto and is in multiple models from hellcat to some rolls Royces and other brands. Also there is a manuel in the works already being test and etc by Toyota and maybe released if the sales are well for the mk5.
Toyota makes plenty of open block motors, as well as other manufactures. Probably the majority of motors are open block designs. 2AR, EJ, K24 are just a few common motors from a few manufactures that are tuner friendly.
The 2JZ is superior to this engine in every way when it comes to making power that engine can be the future but anyone that has it is a bitch be a man and go get a 2JZ
The super does not have a B 58 as you mentioned you have a big 58TU which substantially different components to get a regular be 58 you should touch on that there is an entire cam chain missing from the super variant Which is not a design currently use the one that you mention is a 2016 B 58 and it’s not in the supra is the B 58TU is in the supra and they are significant changes
1st of all in my opinion 2JZ motor till this day best motor over all .These other gay b58 shyt etc is just irrelevant to me plus the new ZUPRA its Z -BMW basically calling its self a Supra it's just a joke to me it is what it is ...😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Well they are faster,lighter,and more responsive than a 2j with mods going up to 700hp actually 800. They've even touched the 9s without having to be rebuilt like the 2j has to.
chris phillips - WRONG...you mean the 1jz head was designed by Yamaha. The 2jz was all supra with what they learned from the Yamaha head from the 1jz LOL KIDS these days
🤦♂️ I understand you like old 2jz, it does have it place and respect but B58 engine is better than 2jz! (Hello!!! Toyota make the executive decision by using best engine platform for the new mk5) Don’t let your ignorance to blind you! Get real facts! Plus B58 1200whp build! Now with money that’s easy to accomplish! For the B58 engine!
only 2 exhaust ports on the b58 which means flow is gonna be the limiting problem in the end........... Go on comment??? till ya pass-out but air can only go where its allowed.
Open block engines are not that bad! I owned an 1998 Alfa Romeo 156 V6. That V6 Arese engine has only cylinder sleeves surrounded by coolant. Never made any problems and every car would fall into dust before that engine would give up working. (If maintained right). The trick is that the top of the cylinder sleeves mate with the cylinder head and no movement will ever happen. They never ever blow a head gasket and the electronic is the only downside to the engine. You can even turbo it if you do the right adjustments to it and it will take it like an 2JZ. 2.5-3.2 liter engines but since it uses cylinder sleeves that are easy to replace you can build it how you want to. The thing is it is an fron wheel drive engine that could bother some guys but if you build it into an mid engine car you have an full alloy engine with an fair weight that will handle turbo charged 500 or maybe even 600hp easy with no big modification of the engine (stock is ~190hp from the NA 2.5litre) But make sure you dump the original engine management... Electronics are fair but not that great on the Alfa Romeo cars they like to break and do not let you adjust as much you want to adjust. There are some great open deck engines out there you just need to find them. The Arese V6 is an good looking one too!
Mohammed S See now u write on English. And don’t get all pissy on me. I’m just wondering the response. No biggy. And no I’m too lazy for that after long day at work Old timer
And they make exactly 0 other vehicles that would use an inline 6 engine. It would be ABSURDLY expensive for them to design and manufacture a unique engine for one vehicle. The only vehicles (which would also likely have to be reengineered) that could even use an inline 6 are the few RWD vehicles that Toyota makes (I’m aware that you CAN put an i6 into a transverse set up but it’s very rare and doesn’t make much sense). Lexus IS and LS, and then the trucks they make are really the only vehicles that a new engine COULD fit into (maybe the 86, but they wouldn’t do it)
B58 cons. The Valvetronic system will fail, Direct injection Injectors will follow suit. Cam chains at the Back, so engine Out for maintenance. Turbo is Electronically controlled. BMW Connectors for water pipes are the worst. Bmw endemic Oil separator issues after 150k. Auxillary electric Water pump failure will lead to a catastrophic chain of Events if not picked up early. New Emissions Regs that require particulate filters similar as Diesels. B58 Pros: Leaps and Bounds more efficient and powerful than its predecessors. Toyota input led to it having a CGI closed deck block same as the famous BMW 3.0 TDs. Not cast Aluminium closed deck as this guy assumes (2jz was sort of a diesel block) BMW was not able to cheapen out on cylinder Head parts like they usually do. Toyota was watching and Micro managing the Quality control. The air to water intercooler is a revelation and tuners can get very innovative with this feature. Dual perfomance VVTL-i or vanos. BMW has perfected the inline 6 formula as others Dumped it. So Supra is getting a cutting Edge Engine that has pedigree and Evolution on its side. The DME is so easy to tune but also to fuck it especially during flashing. Am a Qualified BMW Tech I know my Stuff.
@@mrjjthor the Burden of Technology.The Price of Progress. The Calamity of profiteering. This is no Truck motor like that 2jz that can skip service by 20k miles or Gobble up Shit Fuel. As skittish and proud as the Parent Company.
Sure but Toyota did the quality test for all the parts of the b58 and they modified the engine to pass all their conditions, but I am interested, did you saw those problems on the b58 in particular or on others engines ? Becouse I'm not sure that they modified all the b58 or only the Toyota version. Anyway if Toyota had let those things pass their quality tests, it is a shame, they are known for their reliability and if BMW didn't followed the Toyota's direction ( knowing their version have more horsepower so it is possible) it is not smart from them, I think only the time would prove us if your predictions are right or wrong, or maybe a Toyota quality auditor that saw your comment xD
This car will put shame of reliability of toyota car the cons of the car was not worth it man my toyota never get service only regularly change oil with good oil still strong as fuck even 200k and the fuel only use ron90 doesn’t have problems only just low battery
good question. I was wondering the same. I hear only great things about the modern ZF 8 speeds. Will be cool to see people push the stock boxes to their breaking point. I'd bet it's around 800 horsepower, since they're over building them and putting them in just about every big horsepower car nowadays.
Anita Jerkin Sure, ZF makes high torque rated 8-speeds, but they are not all the same. Different models are rated for different levels of torque. Obviously this is not same model as the one used in for example the Challenger Hellcat.
Your talking crap , I know a couple of people running gtx4202 on 2000cc cars and spool before 6k ! I’ve also seen a 140i bmw with a JB that had only done 300miles do nearly 430hp with no other mods on a superflow dyno. So please do some more research!
You really dnt need a huge turbo to go 750-900 for a 2j you can use a 6466 which isnt huge even a 6266 will get it up there as well those are not that huge
That's like putting a zr1 vs a hellcat, each one is faster than the other hands down and vice versa. I am absolutely, 120%, positively, without a shred of doubt, almost maybe sure that the 6cyl engine mentioned is better than that other one. Plus in real life i actually drove both cars in a video game so i know what im talking about.
I have no idea why open deck block was ever implemented in an engine, if your engine design is so bad that it will overheat unless there is coolant flowing directly around the combustion part of the sleeve your engine is terrible. When has that even been an issue anyway? It boggles my mind why it was ever a thing
Forged pistons, rods, valve springs, head studs, main studs, slight grind on the cams, To4z turbo, big cooler, custom exhaust and intake manifolds, fuel system, exhaust, catch can, link ecu, dyno tune and you are there. Like mine. 500rwkw.
Wow, not every engine has a closed deck block! Twin scroll will help significantly with spool time all that in the first 1:22 wow, lets see what's next....Never put a restriction on my one when it was stock just a closed loop boost controller, never over boosted! 2J 10k will get you 700HP 500ish KW easy! Gen2 GTX3584R will get you 900Hp with awesome spool...Believe me i know! Rod out the block is very rare with just block wear, more like detonation lol!
Don't forget that the b58 is going to weight much less than the 2jz, both improving weight distribution, handling , and acceleration, as this car is lighter than the a80 and packs way more tech and modern safety standards. The new a90 is a far superior design
meh, maybe 200LBS lighter??
@@dunhillsupramk3 that's alot of weight saved, especially from the front of the car
Sean Hatton Finally, somebody who actually understands why the b58 is better for this application
Not even 200lbs lighter, nothing to write home about. With no backseat, shorter wheelbase and lighter shortblock this car should have topped out at 3100lbs max, not 3351lbs.
Regardless the MKIV was a GT car, the new one is a sport car. Comparing the MKIV vs its 90s rivals it was a step ahead. Compare the MKV to those same rivals today, its waay behind and i blame the cheap price and partnership cost cutting measures.
I would have paid $70k+ for a Supra with a toyota engine, better interior, and more transmission options. I just hope the aftermarket and the 2nd generation supras will offer better features. And let's stop kidding ourselves, the B58 may be a decent engine but no one is swapping it into other cars.
It can't be lighter all at once but it is not going to produce power like the 2JZ does. That's like saying a 200 horsepower 420a will be just as fast as a 200 horsepower 4g63t no not even close because the engines produce power differently and a 2JZ is far superior
I completely agree. I watched a lot of videos putting down the 2JZ because so many people wanted to see a 3jz instead of the B58 in the new Supra.
I think your comment strongly outlines what I was trying to say in this video.
Confucius say, “. 2JZ makes Beyoncé happy.”
HAHAHAHA I'M DYING 🤣🤣🤣
TOYOTA Open-Deck Engines
1NZ-FE
1ZZ-FE
2ZZ-GE
2AZ-FE
2AR-FE
1AR-FE
2GR-FE V6
3UR-FE V8
EM6285 1NZ-FE, 2ZZ-GE, 2AZ-FE, 2AR-FE, and 2GR-FE are beautiful small 4 cylinder engines. And I own a 2015 Scion xB with a 2.4L 2AZ-FE.
Also don’t forget the sweet ass 2.7L 2TR-FE as well.
Also 2zrfe
Jay Kay that too
Exactly. This guy is a tool
@@toyotabrony I think the 2.7L 2TR-FE is close deck engine as it is just an evolution of the 2.7L 3RZ-FE engine block. Both 3RZ and 2TR have the same specs for bore and stroke.
At 1:50 you stated, "Toyota in my history has never made an open deck block...ever." Then I stopped watching your video. Fun fact, almost all of Toyota's engines today are open deck blocks.
SnglTrbo 2JZ so give us the facts smarty pants!!!!
@@malcolmross6510 I already did. Just saying, if your going to make a reputable RUclips video on a topic, you should probably do your research first bud.
People stop calling this a Toyota Supra it is a BMW Supra
@@godofdestructiondiecast6756 well then along that mentality, should we call the Lamborghini Huracan an "Audi Huracan"?...or a McLaren F1 a "BMW F1"?....or how about your beloved MKIV Surpa, should we call it a "Yamaha Supra"? Welcome to the real world...take off your brittle-spirited eye glasses.
@@EVDOsmurf what you do know Audi owns Lamborghini the huracan is a rebadged Audi R8 they both have v10 with all-wheel drive systems it's the same car now the McLaren F1 had a BMW engine that's why you see call it a BMW McLaren and that's why this is a BMW Supra
Not all of us want 600hp plus, a daily driver with better bottom end would suit me fine!
not very good info. b58 makes 700hp on stock intercooler. just needs fuel which people use methanol. stock turbo is good for 480 at the wheels which means over 500hp
@Sandy Lee wtf you ok bro?
@Sandy Lee Holy shit I can't tell if this is a bot or a troll
@Sandy Lee I just think the guy meant it seems random. Idk, to me it seemed a bit random of a comment in relation to what he said. Or you saying that it can't meet that power? And those were why? Just a lost viewer here lol
@Sandy Lee Not trying to offend you, it's just that the way you type feels like something a neural net learning to type would do
You do know if your engine is 480hp your wheels will be 440 ish.
I know a guy who's supra made 503 rwhp on stock sequential turbos using an AEM infinity setup, then he built the head and cams and made 1100+ rwhp with sbe. It never failed but he built the motor now and is over 1300 hp
A80 or A90?
@@yaboiterumi1904 double turbo, so 2jz.
F'ing buy the damn car or DON'T, it's your choice, Toyota aren't holding a gun to your head. I've never seen so many so-called adults be so immature on the one tiny subject.
BUT IZ STILL A Z4, Damn i hate those those comments.
I'd rather buy a z4
@@pepeiann extra $15k for something more burnerable to coolant and cooling failture, tell me how is it feel to have an IQ of 160? I don't know but i'll buy the Supra and with those $15k spend it to make a GTR Killer.
@Brad Viviviyal Oh you magnificent idiot, i actually grew up with one MK4 Supra at my reach, hopefully owning it one day, but by that time i would probably own one myself or a 03' IS300 with the GTE conversion (not engine swap), a GTR can get to 700hp with just ECU tuning etc etc, the B58 can also reach that horsepower rating with the same things, but my theory is that the B58 internals hold up to 750hp, the block since is closed deck, can hold a bit more than 1000hp, after that Billet block time, just like the GTR, i bet that the VR38 stock block holds that power also and maybe more since its around 3790cc's aluminum also
@@h.a.4600 I loved what you said, exactly 100% what I would say to these glorious internet idiots
But it’s still a rebadged z4 minds well just call it a bmw supra
"twin scroll.....nothing really special here..." kay off i go
my 1jz makes max torque at 2-2.5k rpm and is a single scroll
@@stellaroid ikr
@@stellaroid The B58 makes max torque at 1,600 rpm... the new Audi S4 with twin scroll turbo makes peak torque at 1,370 rpm... twin scroll seems to be better for every-day driving to me...
@@Pete133 I think the 1jz vvti is pretty badass for being 20 years old, but max torque at 1,600 rpm is insane
@@stellaroid For sure.. I am impressed that an engine that old can make peak torque at 2k rpm!
On one of the bmw forums there was this guy back in 2014 he said that toyota was involved in the development of b58 and it was based on the 2jz rather than n54
When the new supra comes out I wouldn’t be surprised to see guys already slapping gigantic turbos on the B58 to see how far this engine can go since it has to live to to the legacy of the 2JZ we’ll see I’m very excited tho
Thank u someone that doesn't hate this engine (no hate on the 2jz but I REALLY want to see some other straight six engine face the 2jz other than the barra)
Peder Hansen was former bmw when brought by toyota he was not bmw anymore
@LinusFoamTips the VR38 in the gtrs aluminum and various LS's are also aluminum so wdym?
Pathetic design? 5xs the cooling. N54's have been pushing over 800wheel for years on stock internals. I'm near 700 myself. Silly condescending bias. MHD flashed ecu with my cell phone. Nobody daily's 2k hp. For the average 400-800 range daily drivers the lighter, better cooling, direct injected N54 and B58>2JZ all day.
I own both. i have a 1jzgte head mated up to a stock 2jzgte shortblock that makes 857hp and a fbo b58 that makes 400hp. if i wanna feel like i wanna die i would take the 1.5jz out and if i wanna go fast on the corner with everyday driving the b58 is more fun.
Miss information, miss information everywhere 😂
IKR right from the start hahah
When, where ,and how do you know?
The new Supra is actually around 400 crank when it was dyno'd
Φιλιππος Βρεντζος lol wheel hp can’t be more than crank bruv
@Φιλιππος Βρεντζος No, please stop, Crank is always higher than wheel horsepower, don't make more of a fool out of yourself.
There is something called drivetrain losses, ever heard of those? best case the wheel horsepower is the same as crank horsepower.
If a wheel/hub Dyno measures higher than crank the dyno is just plain wrong! That's taking into account the engine is the same throughout both tests.
Φιλιππος Βρεντζος how the fuck wheel horse power is higher than the crank horse power?
@Φιλιππος Βρεντζος crank output is always higher than the Whp
I'm studying engineering and some aluminum alloys can be just as strong as steel, and that's the reason they use it for planes, because its lighter then steel but just as strong as it in certain instances.
Wow, it took going to school to find that out
Maybe you need to keep studying.
Aluminum is stronger than some very weak steel. Most steel is significantly stronger than aluminum.
@@TeensierPython you obviously missed the point I made 3 years ago, and ignored what I said, I didn't say all nor did I say most, I said some. No duh that steel has higher tensile strength and toughness compared to aluminum, the properties are chemically bonded I'm such a way by nature and by our human intuitiveness to make it so, my point here was saying that aluminum alloys can be strong as some steel, yet lighter and that's the reason they use for certain applications that steel can't be used for.
Lmao I’ve been at 2jz motors for a decade and you still favored the 2jz like a fanboy. Equal bpu outcomes when the b58 is 12.0:1 and single turbo stock? Lollll too many people are mad that the mk5 is gonna devalue the mk4 the way the mk4 devalued the mk3 🐸🍵
Great, then maybe the MK4 will probabaly actually be affordable to you.
U mad bro
Mk3 has a nice body style but the 7mgte engine is trash, the head gasket blown easily.
The recent sales of Supras over $100k American say otherwise.
If you seriosuly think the mark 5 will de value the mark 4 your tripping. Mark 4 prices have rocketed since the arrival of the mark 5 and they will continue to rise.
It will ONLY be as good as the 2JZ if the aftermarket support starts to match the 2JZ.
But yes, BMW did an excellent job beefing up their motor design to actually handle a fuck ton of power.
Its impressive that a lot of the stock internals can handle 1000HP.
Agreed
Apparently the B58 actually makes 400hp, so a chip tune, might just make 500hp
The stock turbo is to small for 500hp
@@zenoZevo777 you can make 500hp with stock turbos I think
@@bruh-ib5hz you certainly can with ethanol
Forged is not the same as CNC'd from billet. Don't spread misinformation.
Sandy Lee easy on the homophobic comments... but yea.. this guy needs to check his facts before spewing misinformation like it’s going to be overlooked.
Forged then machine finished. Also, the more offensive, the better. Fuck off, all you progressive little SJW cucks.
PUERTO RICO 🇵🇷 SUPRA A90 ENGINE B58 STOCK INTERNALS RECORD HOLDER. 🇵🇷
🏁 E.T. 10:20 @ 133 MPH. 🏁
My stock b58 was putting out over 360bhp anyone that has a b58 from stock no they put out way more than 335bhp. Now am at 510bhp 😁🤘
You are very misinformed, I have driven my stock block 2j at 800 whp for years and many others have also done the same
500 to 550hp is plenty for me on a 3300 lb. car
Who would’ve thought that in the future were gonna have to 2j swap a Supra
Well only one version out of 5 has ever had a 2jz in it, why does everyone forget why its called a "mkIV" supra?
@@samc821 are you talking about that vid where a Japanese guy got his hands on the new supra body and put a 2j in it?
@@sleet376 nope im talking about the celica-supra, the mkII supra, the mk3 supra and now the a90, none of these models had 2Js in them, are you referencing Saigos drift supra? That is a pretty sick car i must admit.
@samc821 I meant that people will 2j swap the A90 Supra like daigo saito (I’m not sure that many people will do it)
@@sleet376 yeah could be a common mod but 2j's are getting a bit thin on the ground and pricey now, if u didnt want to go much over 700hp u could easily do it with the b58 i reckon.
Weve made over 900hp with only arp studs and a head gasket!! Same setup for 2 race seasons. No issues except coil packs occasionally lol. Oh btw these are NC race seasons which are damn near year round lol.
Sooo are we talking about the B58 or nah.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 2j
Ppl make 1000hp on a stock internal 2jz
@@donaldgeterjr8180 big cap, 2j can only handle 800 with stock internal, i think you're talking about stock block
@@Payday5 how is it a cap if its been done already? 😑😑😑
I apologize for this statement on the open deck block. I had edited the words forced induction out of the video by accident.
Open deck is fine for naturally aspirated engines but not turbocharged.
I will make another video about this soon. Thank you for an interesting comment. I like this kind of feedback
im sorry but the new one is looking pretty sick!!!
Quite a bit of misinformation as some have already stated here. A couple things i caught that no one else stated is first, the 2jzgte (USDM) has 540 not 550 injectors stock. Also the USDM has afm/maf + map and you can actually use 1k resistors to avoid the fuel cut when going BPU. My 98 6 speed currently has a resistor and i run 16lbs of boost via a waste gate shim. BPU on a 2jzgte can be had with very little money.
If you are going to talk about power figures, you need to compare the transmissions too because the V160/V161 is a solid tranny and the B58 transmission, well we still don't have a lot of data out because it's a new(er) engine and there just aren't a ton of 700+hp examples out there.
Agreed, he got a lot of information wrong about the B58/ZF8 as well. Garbage video.
This is so ridiculous....how many people are going over 500hp....really its such a small percentage of people....anyone going 1000 hp has the money to put any engine in the car so whats the difference what engine is in there originally😒
I agree. People who hear stories of the 2JZ think that because it can make 1000 horsepower, means it's cheap and easy to make 1000 horsepower, and then will last forever at 1000 horsepower. Give me 5-600 horsepower any day on the street. I'm not trying to kill myself, go to jail, or go broke.
@LinusFoamTips tell me what percentage of people do you think are trying to hit 1000 hp....you acting like this is common...its not....500 people on 5 supra forums patting a couple handfuls of guys in speedshops on the back....give me a break this is not the first engine to make 1000hp and its not even a toyota engine yamaha had a huge hand in making the 2jz....and by the time you hit 1000hp what parts are even left over from the original engine?
The cast aluminum block is not the way, but I am glad that the Supra badge will be back on the streets again.
It very well could be though, for people who don't ever want more than 500 horsepower. Past 150k miles though, sure, it's a crap shoot.
Well wait aren't VR38s and most of the LS's have aluminum blocks?
You're nothing but a Jz fanboy I suppose, The only downside of B58s is that the block doesn't allow over 800 horses to be pushed to the flywheel safely due to the fact that it has an aluminum block, I agree... BUT.. as a street car why would you even want to go over 700w/hp?? You want to build a dragster? Use a stroked 2JZ.. or LSx maybe? Wan't a reliable Lamborghini killing street car.. Modify the "Already existing" B58 and you're owning maybe over 80% of street legal vehicles.. I would love to have a 2JZ under my the bonnet no doubt.. But if it already has a B58.. Hell I'm not swapping that out.. This is not an informative video what so ever, hence "2JZ is the ultimate winner".. Maybe change the video title to: My absolute personal opinion on the B58 vs 2JZ.
Edit: Kind of reliable Lamborghini killing street car.
Hey bro can you do some 1jzgte and 1.5 jz tech stuff please? Even a 1jzge + t build if thats possible? Regards Dom
Great video! However....
As to the subject of open-deck design, your comments were all wrong. Open deck is indeed less strong, but if it is properly designed [Porsche has done this quite often with no problems], then this works just fine AND it allows far better coolant flow to and from the head.
Honda B and D series are open deck and can handle power fine. Up to 400 then sleeves start to crack. So yes closed deck is better. It's what made the 2jz Iron block closed deck indestructible. You can add a pressed block guard to the honda engines and then they can handle as much as closed deck. There's 1000 whp b series I've seen watch?v=6HiRMq9IsNg. cylindersupportsystem.com/
closed deck block! that all folks!! now the tuning can be commenced!!
Came here for those “2JZ iS bEst EnGine EvER” and was not disappointed XD
The subtitles are savage lol. “Open Dick Block”
It’s the same in japan as it is America because they underrated it due to the gentleman’s agreement
I’m only making 380hp on 16psi on my rz Supra. Unless that’s the vvti engine????
Specs are power fc
3 inch exhaust & ets intercooler.
Great Video, thank you🙏
There are a lot of open deck engines today, the newest ford Coyote's are open deck.
Ok, its a nice video but i think your trying to give the B58 negative reputation because your a JZ guy, you mentioned the block material as its aluminum and it cant handle power because of the centrifugal force. What do you think of a V6 60 degree aluminum block with +2k HP (VR38DETT) ? what about the cam phasing dont you think if it can be controlled well we can raise the power for higher RPM?, B58 have a small 82mm bore dont you think there is ability to bore the liner? we all know as you do the aluminum is much lighter than iron dose it mean anything ? compare 1991 and 2015 in engineering design !!! . im a V8 guy but im honest when it is about POWER
hussain alhubaishi you cant bore out the B58 block I've heard from BMW guys. When the block goes, its garbage. Closed deck or not, its not going to be as robust as the 2jz. Plus that higher compression worries me and we still dont know the full specs on the transmission, will it be able to handle over 500rwhp? I'm hoping so if its sinilar to the ZF Hellcat transmission
@@shadyshinichi2JZ dear, even aluminum blocks can be honed, even if you asked BMW guys and they said it cant be, there is a manufacturing specification that can help, in the future youll see some rotating kits for it (stroker) .... do you really worry about compression, the thing you can simply control by a head gasket.... i like JZ engine and i had a good power with them and im looking for the newer higher tech engines
@@hussainalhubaishi1720 compresion is controlled through piston rings.
@@asakawolf6382compression ratio will not be changed by piston ring.... ring material, design & end gap will prevent damage occured by heat
@@hussainalhubaishi1720 yeah. Idk why I said that a week ago. Compression ratio is changed by adding or removing matiral from the piston or combustion chamber.
Latest focus rs has an open deck block doesnt it? Great for cooling I guess? Bad for everything else.
samc821 correct and look at the probs the rs and st are having
I am not surprised people will continue praising the 2JZ till this day. Yes, it was a great engine but in stock form it wasn’t all that. I drove one that made 500 hp from a single turbo. It was exactly what you said. The turbo spooled up so late that you had to watch out for the power hitting while mid corners. Yeah, I didn’t like the engine with that 500 HP tune at all.
For me the new B58 and the new Supra are way better cars then the 90’s Supra was. I know there’ll be some angry people out because of me saying these things. (:
I'd definitely take the new one. I'd rather have 335HP (edit: and if can easily get bumped above 400HP, even better) I can have confident fun with, and especially when it comes to everyday driving.
They've already dyno'd the Supra B58 and it's making 400 horse and 500 torque at the crank from the factory.
I would trust that inline 6 from Japan more than any motor made by BMW
I'll take the old MK4 Supra... Looks better and comes with a Targa Top and a manual gearbox
@LinusFoamTips are you asking how opinions work? Perhaps a definition of such?
Toyota all day every day! BMW inlines break constantly! Junk!
It doesnt matter what the engine is
This car was all about the looks and 90’s Supra was one of the ultimate smoothest works of Japanese art.
This newer supra bmw looks like a toy a Miata a 370z a gt86
It's based from legendary toyota 2000gt tho ;)
Please do not insult the370z or the 2000gt...
@@gregpavitt309 I just told him this a90 its based from 2000gt its a beautiful car not like a miata like he said.
2JZ is the winner here!
fan boysssss
NO
@@wildtrack2459 really…?
The B58 is also found in the 340i and X3 m40i. Probably other platforms as well in the BMW lineup.
M G yup! My 340i is running strong!
TheGroovemaker1 - same here. It’s a beautiful daily driver
Pac1fic0 Indeed! I have it up to 500hp crank and it’s still as reliable as ever
440i as well.
B58 in every lineup from 3s to 5s to 7s. To x variants.. to z4. This motor is a beast.
People have been tuning engines with variable valve timing and lift systems for many, many years. Almost all modern german engines have variable valve timing and many have variable valve lift systems. Also, forged and CNC milled are two completely different things.
Go and talk to papadakis racing about what power levels can come out of the new B58.
Yes they did amazing things with the B58, but they changed everything about the stock platform. Removed the direct injection, removed the intake intercooler etc. it’s a great engine and I’m not trying to criticize it but it LOSERS only in one category of absolute highest HP capacity because of the Aluminium block. It beats the 2JZ everywhere else, I’m not sure why everyone gets so upset, you have to give the 2JZ the respect it deserves, it’s the most swapped engine on the planet for good reason. There are so many BMW’s with 2JZ’s but not many Toyota’s with BMW’swaps
Think u will find most engines are not are closed block mate due to expense this is why the focus rs engine has had so many issues
Nice comparison
good breakdown 🤘
B58 is the New 2JZ, B58 only needs minor mods to get big Hp, the new S58 is the King stock motor, stock transmission only bolts on you can make 1000HP.
Yes engine blocks can dail, but is it not a reason to use cylinder sleeves?.. And piston of the block?... sure you not mean rods? .
The B58s block is pretty much made from the same material as the VR38s and coyotes so it's more thsn likely that it can be sleeved
The reason why the b58 has torque low down because it is a 12:1 compression
yeah wouldnt you need to change the pistons or the gasket in order to push more boost on it because of the high compression?
@@thatgamertho227 dont know. Haven't seen one of them popped open. Just that the reason for the torrque is because of the compression.
What?
@@thatgamertho227 I doubt any head gasket would survive high boost and high compression levels any reasonable amount of time, rods and piston rings also. A lot of these new motors get good torque low end because the turbos are mounted directly to the block, which has an integrated manifold. I'm not certain about this motor, but it is a better design which allows the coolant system to cool the exhaust gasses before entering the turbo. This helps the engine warm up faster, and prevent turbo wear, while shortening the gap the exhaust pressure has to travel to the turbo. Also, water to air intercooling shortens the length of intake piping which reduces initial lag.
@@DaveDuzzit This has a regular turbo manifold, not like some of the new VW's with an integrated manifold in the cylinder head.
They are torquey due to good turbo design, lightweight materials and twin scroll turbine housings. Not to mention the amazing variable valve timing that these have on both cams.
The problem when you try to make a video to have a maximum of clicks is, especially when you rush it, that you can fall flat on your face.
First dyno runs of the Supra tend to show that the japanese have published power curves that are incredibly understated. The first dyno's that are now coming out in the US are showing around 390 HP - STOCK.
Also, lots of the mods you are talking us about are illegal procedures in nearly all countries I know about. Some few countries are allowing modding your engine in those extents and will still allow you to drive on the streets.
I’m talking about race engines as well.
There must be advantages to both closed and open deck designs....??
Savvy spender definitely
Open deck is better for cooling the engine however it has shown problems with long term reliability when comboed with higher boost engines.
Integral exhaust manifold for 4? ports, Doesn't sound good.. Factory manifolds are badly designed when it comes to outright performance, Efficiency of airflow.. So when modified the two ports are going to be vastly more efficient then the others?
Another well thought out video Cl8STA 👍 All the talk of mods is giving me flash backs of the engine building process 😮
the 2jz you could work on without a bunch of expensive tools the Germans love making complicated shit its got to be complicated to be German nothing is simple with them
Honda's K20 is an open deck design
H22 also. No head gasket problems
@@zeppelin926 H22 is a closed deck isn't it?
@@skaterockerstar the h22a1 is in the 4th gen prelude. The later ones and h23a are all open
@@zeppelin926 Gotcha👌
What about the Transmission?, the whole drivetrain? how will that hold up?
Well thank God it's a video about the engine and nothing else
@LinusFoamTips it has a ZF transmission that's well known for being extremely reliable and a fast shifting auto and is in multiple models from hellcat to some rolls Royces and other brands. Also there is a manuel in the works already being test and etc by Toyota and maybe released if the sales are well for the mk5.
Great content!
2000 HP costs 100,000$ lol...go buy 2 brand new supras ...
2JZGTE is the greatest tuner engine in the history of mankind, no doubt!!!
Guess you’ve never heard of a small block Chevy? Even the Ford small block is more “tunable” and popular than the stupid overhyped 2jz.
Lots of engines are open deck. Usually 4 cylinder .
Is the 2jzgte vvti the same block end
2JZ came out in 19909091?
Fantastic video 💯🤘🏻
Toyota makes plenty of open block motors, as well as other manufactures. Probably the majority of motors are open block designs. 2AR, EJ, K24 are just a few common motors from a few manufactures that are tuner friendly.
B58 the future is now. Get over it. 😄🤣
The 2JZ is superior to this engine in every way when it comes to making power that engine can be the future but anyone that has it is a bitch be a man and go get a 2JZ
too bad the 2jz will see much more of the future than any b58 ever will.
@@10xyourlife65 I own a 2jz gte vvti and can honestly say from 300-1000 the B58 is proving better does that mean I'm swapping to B58... Nahhh
No stop it
Barry Allen that maybe true and it will be. But it’s a very outdated engine.
The super does not have a B 58 as you mentioned you have a big 58TU which substantially different components to get a regular be 58 you should touch on that there is an entire cam chain missing from the super variant Which is not a design currently use the one that you mention is a 2016 B 58 and it’s not in the supra is the B 58TU is in the supra and they are significant changes
1st of all in my opinion 2JZ motor till this day best motor over all .These other gay b58 shyt etc is just irrelevant to me plus the new ZUPRA its Z -BMW basically calling its self a Supra it's just a joke to me it is what it is ...😂😂🤦🏾♂️
Well they are faster,lighter,and more responsive than a 2j with mods going up to 700hp actually 800. They've even touched the 9s without having to be rebuilt like the 2j has to.
2jz was designed by yamaha btw. Good video though
chris phillips - WRONG...you mean the 1jz head was designed by Yamaha. The 2jz was all supra with what they learned from the Yamaha head from the 1jz LOL KIDS these days
@@Mr.Saephan503 "all supra" Lol it debuted 2 years before supra you fucking banana slug
The 1jz was designed by Yamaha, then Toyota re designed the 2jz from the 1jz. literally the 2jz is a stolen project.
Yamaha did not design the 2JZ they developed the 1JZ in the MKIII. Yamaha also made the 2UR-GSE and 1LR-GUE for Lexus.
@@skyu777ayala2 its not a stolen project because toyota had rights to the engine.
🤦♂️ I understand you like old 2jz, it does have it place and respect but B58 engine is better than 2jz! (Hello!!! Toyota make the executive decision by using best engine platform for the new mk5) Don’t let your ignorance to blind you! Get real facts! Plus B58 1200whp build! Now with money that’s easy to accomplish! For the B58 engine!
only 2 exhaust ports on the b58 which means flow is gonna be the limiting problem in the end...........
Go on comment??? till ya pass-out but air can only go where its allowed.
Open block engines are not that bad! I owned an 1998 Alfa Romeo 156 V6. That V6 Arese engine has only cylinder sleeves surrounded by coolant. Never made any problems and every car would fall into dust before that engine would give up working. (If maintained right). The trick is that the top of the cylinder sleeves mate with the cylinder head and no movement will ever happen. They never ever blow a head gasket and the electronic is the only downside to the engine. You can even turbo it if you do the right adjustments to it and it will take it like an 2JZ. 2.5-3.2 liter engines but since it uses cylinder sleeves that are easy to replace you can build it how you want to. The thing is it is an fron wheel drive engine that could bother some guys but if you build it into an mid engine car you have an full alloy engine with an fair weight that will handle turbo charged 500 or maybe even 600hp easy with no big modification of the engine (stock is ~190hp from the NA 2.5litre) But make sure you dump the original engine management... Electronics are fair but not that great on the Alfa Romeo cars they like to break and do not let you adjust as much you want to adjust. There are some great open deck engines out there you just need to find them. The Arese V6 is an good looking one too!
The 2J will always be a legend, but the B58 has the edge all the way to 650bhp. Swap in an S58 block then rice the fuck out of it!
Great material ! Thank you
Do a video just like this comparing between the 3RZ-FE and the 2TR-FE
هذه مكنتين حق وش؟
Mohammed S English man.
Yahya Alghamdi 2TR-FE is a gorgeous 2.7L
@@toyotabrony
When RUclips is yours so you can say what you want
Go and play with something boy
Mohammed S See now u write on English. And don’t get all pissy on me. I’m just wondering the response. No biggy. And no I’m too lazy for that after long day at work
Old timer
Why not just reenginer the 2jz gte with all the modern tech these days im dissatisfied with Toyota working with BMW
Yes
Not as simple as that. They’d have to reengineer pretty much everything. 2jz wouldn’t pass fuel economy regulations these days
@@stefan_4508 true true
And they make exactly 0 other vehicles that would use an inline 6 engine. It would be ABSURDLY expensive for them to design and manufacture a unique engine for one vehicle. The only vehicles (which would also likely have to be reengineered) that could even use an inline 6 are the few RWD vehicles that Toyota makes (I’m aware that you CAN put an i6 into a transverse set up but it’s very rare and doesn’t make much sense). Lexus IS and LS, and then the trucks they make are really the only vehicles that a new engine COULD fit into (maybe the 86, but they wouldn’t do it)
Mylen Anders why bmw makes amazing inline 6 engines? It makes perfect sense they would go to them
B58 cons.
The Valvetronic system will fail, Direct injection Injectors will follow suit. Cam chains at the Back, so engine Out for maintenance.
Turbo is Electronically controlled.
BMW Connectors for water pipes are the worst.
Bmw endemic Oil separator issues after 150k.
Auxillary electric Water pump failure will lead to a catastrophic chain of Events if not picked up early.
New Emissions Regs that require particulate filters similar as Diesels.
B58 Pros:
Leaps and Bounds more efficient and powerful than its predecessors.
Toyota input led to it having a CGI closed deck block same as the famous BMW 3.0 TDs. Not cast Aluminium closed deck as this guy assumes (2jz was sort of a diesel block)
BMW was not able to cheapen out on cylinder Head parts like they usually do. Toyota was watching and Micro managing the Quality control.
The air to water intercooler is a revelation and tuners can get very innovative with this feature.
Dual perfomance VVTL-i or vanos.
BMW has perfected the inline 6 formula as others Dumped it. So Supra is getting a cutting Edge Engine that has pedigree and Evolution on its side.
The DME is so easy to tune but also to fuck it especially during flashing.
Am a Qualified BMW Tech I know my Stuff.
Those are some scary cons. Toyota didn't catch that?
@@mrjjthor the Burden of Technology.The Price of Progress. The Calamity of profiteering.
This is no Truck motor like that 2jz that can skip service by 20k miles or Gobble up Shit Fuel.
As skittish and proud as the Parent Company.
Sure but Toyota did the quality test for all the parts of the b58 and they modified the engine to pass all their conditions, but I am interested, did you saw those problems on the b58 in particular or on others engines ? Becouse I'm not sure that they modified all the b58 or only the Toyota version. Anyway if Toyota had let those things pass their quality tests, it is a shame, they are known for their reliability and if BMW didn't followed the Toyota's direction ( knowing their version have more horsepower so it is possible) it is not smart from them, I think only the time would prove us if your predictions are right or wrong, or maybe a Toyota quality auditor that saw your comment xD
This car will put shame of reliability of toyota car the cons of the car was not worth it man my toyota never get service only regularly change oil with good oil still strong as fuck even 200k and the fuel only use ron90 doesn’t have problems only just low battery
The question how good the gearbox will handle say 700hp in the b58?
It's the same gearbox in some super cars...
@Peder Hansen en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission
good question. I was wondering the same. I hear only great things about the modern ZF 8 speeds. Will be cool to see people push the stock boxes to their breaking point. I'd bet it's around 800 horsepower, since they're over building them and putting them in just about every big horsepower car nowadays.
Anita Jerkin Sure, ZF makes high torque rated 8-speeds, but they are not all the same. Different models are rated for different levels of torque. Obviously this is not same model as the one used in for example the Challenger Hellcat.
@@threepac So, you think BMW wouldn't stick an 8HP70 in this car? I'm gonna file your comment under the "No shiet. Sherlock!" category.
Your talking crap , I know a couple of people running gtx4202 on 2000cc cars and spool before 6k !
I’ve also seen a 140i bmw with a JB that had only done 300miles do nearly 430hp with no other mods on a superflow dyno.
So please do some more research!
Dont speak engineering if ur not one
Ok compared them b58 370 hp stock 2jz 280 hp stock b58 wins every single time fanboys
2JZ ftw!!!
That's funny because that BMW engineer must have worked for Yamaha😂
Hats off sir can't wait to see you drive it.
Judah Maine ,off.
Have you finished the body yet Mike?
Yeah man just need the 4 speed Jericho box and ready to go.
B58 already making 711whp stage 3 turbo, E85 ,stock internals, stock fuel system. Getting close to 1000hp already.
@@X1xRiGox3X do you have a link to this claim
@@paulgrossett1291 it's all over IG. Just search B58 and you'll see a page dedicated to the cars that have that engine.
Equal outcomes with air to water intercooling vs an fmic? Dreaming
You really dnt need a huge turbo to go 750-900 for a 2j you can use a 6466 which isnt huge even a 6266 will get it up there as well those are not that huge
Road and track magazine but new supra on dyno the result is 339 whp and 427 wtq so we talk about 390 bhp and 490 tq
That's like putting a zr1 vs a hellcat, each one is faster than the other hands down and vice versa. I am absolutely, 120%, positively, without a shred of doubt, almost maybe sure that the 6cyl engine mentioned is better than that other one. Plus in real life i actually drove both cars in a video game so i know what im talking about.
I have no idea why open deck block was ever implemented in an engine, if your engine design is so bad that it will overheat unless there is coolant flowing directly around the combustion part of the sleeve your engine is terrible. When has that even been an issue anyway? It boggles my mind why it was ever a thing
Fak I like this guy!!! now -please do a video on how to make 600bhp Vg30dett for Z32's
Forged pistons, rods, valve springs, head studs, main studs, slight grind on the cams, To4z turbo, big cooler, custom exhaust and intake manifolds, fuel system, exhaust, catch can, link ecu, dyno tune and you are there. Like mine. 500rwkw.
All Supra owners know that the Japanese engine is much better and more reliable in the long run than BMW engines
Wow, not every engine has a closed deck block! Twin scroll will help significantly with spool time all that in the first 1:22 wow, lets see what's next....Never put a restriction on my one when it was stock just a closed loop boost controller, never over boosted! 2J 10k will get you 700HP 500ish KW easy! Gen2 GTX3584R will get you 900Hp with awesome spool...Believe me i know! Rod out the block is very rare with just block wear, more like detonation lol!