Latter-day Saints at war: The Church during the Civil War. Ep. 187
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2023
- On April 12, 1861, the United States entered the bloodiest war its ever been engaged in - the American Civil War. But with the vast majority of Latter-day Saints safely behind the Rocky Mountains, did they ever fight in the war? What side were they on? Were they for or against slavery? Let's talk about it.
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- “Civil War Saints,” cia BYU Studies (this is an entire book full of essays about the Church during the Civil War - all available online): bit.ly/3gwwcMD
- “Abraham Lincoln and the Mormons,” by Mary Jane Woodger (BYU Studies): bit.ly/3tKajMN
- “The Lot Smith Cavalry Company: Utah Goes to War,” by Kenneth L. Alford & Joseph R. Stuart: bit.ly/3EGExqn
- “Slavery and Abolition,” via the Church’s website: bit.ly/3UbdmJ3
- “The True Policy for Utah: Servitude, Slavery, and ‘An Act in Relation to Service,” by Christopher Rich (Utah Historical Quarterly): bit.ly/3tKArrb
- “Life and journals of John Henry Standifird, 1831-1924,” see pgs. xxii-xxiv (John Strandifird was a member of the Utah Cavalry. These pages contain what he wrote about his experience): bit.ly/3GlGxFT
- A list of the men in Lot Smith’s “Utah Cavalry”: bit.ly/3gcra8a
- Here’s a newspaper account (Union Vedette, March 3, 1865) of Utahns celebrating Union Victories, Abraham Lincoln, and the Emancipation Proclamation: bit.ly/3EfgnBY
Notes:
- This source (bit.ly/3hUdRtd) records the following promise from Brigham Young, given to Lot Smith’s company:
“...although you are United States soldiers you are still members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and while you have sworn allegiance to the constitution and government of our country, and we have vowed to preserve the Union, the best way to accomplish this high purpose is to shun all evil. . . Remember your prayers . . . establish peace with the Indians . . . [and] always give ready obedience to the orders of your commanding officers. If you will do this I promise you, as a servant of the Lord, that not one of you shall fall by the hand of an enemy."
I think this promise is cool, and probably true. However, I haven’t been able to track it back farther than the source already mentioned. Since that author did not cite where she got her information from, I’ve left it out of this episode. If anyone knows of an earlier source, please let me know!
- “Although most Mormons were from the North and Midwest and therefore favored the North, Church leadership took a neutral position.” Source: bit.ly/3tKajMN
- “As William H. Hooper, Utah’s territorial delegate to Congress, noted in a letter to George Q. Cannon, ‘We show our loyalty by trying to get in while others are trying to get out.’” Source: bit.ly/3EPCHUl
- “The federal census of 1850 reported 24 free persons of color in Utah, and 26 slaves.” Source: bit.ly/3GzorjO
- “During the 1850s, there were about 100 black slaves in Utah.” I’m not sure, though, if this is referring to the amount of slaves at any single given time, or accumulated over the entire decade. Source: bit.ly/3UbdmJ3
- A Twitter thread from author/scholar W. Paul Reeve about Utah’s “Juneteenth”: bit.ly/3XAiJEu This is the only Utah newspaper I could find that wrote about the end of slavery (and only briefly): bit.ly/3tSnpaV Why didn’t it make headlines? I’m not sure. Perhaps it was because the practice already applied to so few people in the territory.
- Latter-day Saint Colonel Robert T. Burton also led a Utah cavalry unit during the Civil War, but it was not a federal unit. It was a territorial unit.
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Ok, you hooked me. This seems like a fair, historical representation of the topic. I first saw you on the Hello Saints page. Even though I don't ascribe to the LDS religious beliefs, I am interested in its history. Too often I see extremely biased stories coming from both LDS and from anti-LDS advocates. It's clear you are advocating for your faith, but at the same time willing to look at the realities of human beings doing human being things (if that makes sense). I'll look at your other videos.
Thanks for watching Brian! We hope you enjoy our other episodes as well.
Love the content you guys put put, keep it up!
Thank you, we're glad you like what we do!
It would be cool to have you do a video on those Saints
Most excellent! Thanks for posting!
Party on dude! Thanks for watching.
Always wanted to comment on something first ;) y’all are awesome :)
You did it!
Never heard about this or the war of utah before. informative video
I'd like to see a video about the supposed Transfiguration of Brigham Young, previous videos about the Church succession crisis didn't mention it
I’ll do a whole video in one comment:
It didn’t happen and that dude constantly fabricated unsubstantiated miracles from the past when he wanted to make himself look like God’s chosen prophet.
Thanks for the suggestion! In the meantime, this article might be informative: byustudies.byu.edu/article/the-mantle-of-the-prophet-joseph-passes-to-brother-brigham-a-collective-spiritual-witness/
@@davidsnell2605 excellent resource!
thank you for this video, great informer
Amazing video! I just wanted to ask at 4:41 what movie is that?
I have two great great grandfathers who were in Lot Smiths Company.
I love all your videos, and I love history thank you 👍👍
Thank you for watching them!
@@SaintsUnscripted pp0pp
Love y'all!
Were there no saints during the civil war that advocated for their own form of secession from the United States?
I would have imagined the number would have been really high and it always shocked me the saints never tried to leave during the civil war sense that would have been there best time for them to do so if they wanted.
In my research I didn't come across any indication that any Saints wanted to secede from the Union. On the contrary, they considered the Constitution inspired and wanted official statehood. Sounds like a good alternate-history book premise, though!
Lincoln is so awesome.
You are very deceived. He was an evil tyrant and warmonger. Hundreds of thousands of people died horrible violent deaths because of him.
@@nonrepublicrat you are very twisted. Good luck.
In what way?
@@Colin-Fenix I like that Lincoln basically said, “I don’t understand you people, so as long as you don’t cause any trouble, you can do whatever you want.” Obviously that’s just a basic look at it and it’s a lot more complex than that, but I feel like Lincoln was a lot more chill than a lot of people.
I personally don't like him
Is it just me or does David sound a little different in this one?
The audio edit was slightly different than past episode, but I probably was also getting over a cold or something at the time. My family and I have been sick *a lot* over the past 6 months.
What movie is, “ I hate you” quote from 😂
That is from Mouse Hunt.
@@SaintsUnscripted I thought so. Thank you.
Do you have a cold, David? Sound just a little bit off.
The audio edit was slightly different than past episode, but I probably was also getting over a cold or something at the time. My family and I have been sick a lot over the past 6 months.
I must comment on behalf of the slaves who suffered under the pain of slavery and who suffered under two centuries of slavery only to have yet another religious organization to not only refuse to stand for truth but advocated historical that blacks had in their skin color the mark of Cain. (Though the doctrine was changed because of social and political pressure) Early Mormon theology clearly depicted blacks as inferior because of their supposed cowardice in not choosing sides when Satan rebelled against God. This negative religious stigma held until the well into the 20th century and truly answers why the main reason Mormons did not fight for truth because they did not want to see the moral implications of taking a stand against slavery because according to early Mormon theology they are inferior . If the Saints were truly saints and not people of their times they would have risked life and limb for the truth of God. Meadow Mountain Massacre is yet another example of the Latter Day Saints failure to truly represent Gods values. I could also go into specifics concerning the reliability of the Mormon canon and the other claims of Joseph Smith but the refusal of Mormons to be Gods agent during trying times for a downtrodden people is yet a huge reason why I could never be a Mormon not today, tomorrow or ever. Yes the same could be said of other Christians but shining example such as Harriet Beecher Stowe, Dietrich Bonnoffer, Fredrick Douglas, Olaudah Equiano give examples of people that stood for the truth of God in tremendous circumstances. The slaves needed the church to stand for truth and their prejudice and outright racism perpetuated racism and schisms even within your faith.
Fact:
Abraham Lincoln is 40 times the man Brigham Young was
Fact:
The opposite is true.
@@nonrepublicrat Fact: Lincoln outlawed slavery. Brigham Young legislated FOR slavery in pro-slavery Utah. You’re not gonna win the history battle with me man.
bruh, they are actually very similar nation-building men.
@@TheSwedishHistorian one built the nation while preserving human rights. The other fled the nation in order to deprive human rights. He didn’t do any nation building unless you mean his own kingdom.
This is framed so contrary to history, its insane.
What part is framed and to what end?
explain, this is basically what happened. We mostly minded our own business but cooperated with the rest of the US Union