Did Joseph Smith's siblings believe in his prophetic claims? Ep. 195
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- When discussing our church history, it's not very often that we talk about those who would have known Joseph better than anyone else: his own family. Who were Joseph's siblings? What was their involvement in the progress of the Church? And did they sustain their brother as a prophet? Let's talk about it.
Video transcript: saintsunscripted.com/faith-an...
- Suggested reading:
“United by Faith: The Joseph Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith Family,” edited by Kyle R. Walker
“Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses,” by Richard Lloyd Anderson.
- Biography of Lucy Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/41UCPLH
- Biography of Don Carlos Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3yGB5bL
- Biography of Katherine Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3Jrp400
- Biography of William Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3yGBMln
- Biography of Samuel Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3l1si0H
- Biography of Sophronia Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3Zx6EjU
- Biography of Alvin Smith via the Joseph Smith Papers Project: bit.ly/3ZQHwnT
- “Family of Joseph Smith Sr., and Lucy Mack Smith,” via the Church’s website: bit.ly/3SQ6EZO
- “What were Joseph Smith’s sisters like, and what happened to them after the martyrdom?” by Richard Lloyd Anderson, via the Church’s website: bit.ly/3YwHNLG
- “Joseph Smith’s Brothers: Nauvoo and After,” by Richard Lloyd Anderson, via the Church’s website: bit.ly/3F9ZE4t
- “Katharine Smith Salisbury Statements as a Witness” via Witnesses of the Book of Mormon: bit.ly/3IZxMRG
- “Samuel H. Smith: Faithful Brother to Joseph and Hyrum,” via the Church’s website: bit.ly/3L4T2b8
- Jan. 18, 1838 letter from Don Carlos Smith to George A. Smith: bit.ly/3YG34ms
- “Hefted and Handled: Tangible Interactions with Book of Mormon Objects,” by Anthony Sweat (BYU Studies): bit.ly/3lIfoQH
- “The Three Sisters of the Prophet Joseph Smith,” by Mary Salisbury Hancock, in The Saints’ Herald, January 1954 (in three parts): Part I: bit.ly/3FfINgr Part II: bit.ly/3mH3R9h Part III: bit.ly/3ZCdQvd
Notes:
- The Smith family moved to Palmyra, New York in 1816, but it wasn’t until 1818 that they finally had their own farm and had built their own small, two-story log cabin. Joseph lived here when he had his first vision, and when the Angel Moroni visited him in 1823. After building the somewhat rugged cabin, the Smiths set out to build a proper frame home, which many of the Smiths lived in from 1825 to 1829.
-Sadly, only about a week after Don Carlos died, the baby boy of Joseph and Emma (also named Don Carlos) also died.
- It’s worth noting that while Hyrum and Jerusha had six children together, two of them died early on.
- Katherine’s grandson reported that when an injured and exhausted Joseph first brought the covered plates home, 14-year-old Katherine received them and temporarily placed them on the table before attending to Joseph’s injuries. Source: bit.ly/41ZoKNd
- Katherine’s granddaughter reported that Katherine and her sister, Sophronia, on one occasion hid the covered golden plates from a mob by stowing them in their bed and pretending to be asleep. Source: bit.ly/3JqBzbO
- At 19 years old, William Smith was baptized on the same day as Don Carlos, June 9, 1830.
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I'll admit, if one of my siblings said they had prophetic visions I'd doubt then, fortunately I don't doubt his though!
Pretty sure I'd stop having movie night with my brother if he started spouting claims about being a prophet.
@@taylor_su man I miss movie nights with my half brother, dang him living two hours away
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great video as always, David! thx for all you do
I want to like this video 1000 times
I love this video! When you got to Don Carlos, it reminded me of my 3rd great grandfather, William Draper Jr. Don Carlos baptized him and when he got to Utah, the city of Draper was named after him. He was the first bishop in the area. I’m so proud that my family line is so rich in church history. 💕
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The Faith and Beliefs segment of Saints Unscripted is the best thing on the internet (maybe). You get my point, though, it is really, really great stuff. Thank you. There are a growing number of solid resources to understand more challenging church history, church doctrine, scriptural challenges, and more but these videos stand in a class of their own because they are so consumable (read: you don't have to pick up a book or even read a long article). Genuinely would like to see more investment on the Faith and Beliefs videos (which basically just means I want more/higher frequency of releases because I love them so much). Huge kudos to those who help prepare these segments (no idea who does most of that), the host (good job David, you've got a great face for Radio as John Bytheway once said to me when I asked him for a picture - but seriously nice hosting), and wonderful editing (a striking balance of up-beat, snappy, silly, and genuine vibe). Is anyone from church headquarters listening? Please send these people money so they can do more of this - this is some of the best marketing/missionary work I can imagine! Call them all to full time missions to do exactly this?
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Wow I'm not sure we're worthy of such high praise but we'll take it haha, thank you for the kind words. In answer to your remark about who prepares these segments: I write/host the videos, while Taylor Yorgason edits them (you've probably seen him hosting many of the videos on the main show). But really we're just the messengers. The reality is that the real researchers/scholars have almost always already put the information out there for the public, we just take it and repackage it to make it a bit more consumable (as you noted). They deserve most of the credit! Thanks for your comment, and for watching!
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@@angermyode that's a fascinating theory! In case, then, that there's any confusion--I highly encourage you to think deeply about the claims I'm making and come to your own conclusions about them. Have a great week.
@@angermyode happy to agree to disagree. In all reality I rarely choose where movie references go, as I am not the person who edits these videos. I will suggest one occasionally if I think it fits well or would be funny, but that's about it. I'm sorry you feel manipulated, though. If you feel that that is my intent, I would encourage you to look elsewhere for content you find more palatable.
Awesome video. It is remarkable that those closest to Joseph all believed he was authentic. That speaks volumes of his credibility. This is evidence that those who want to cast Joseph as a simple con-man gloss over.
And yet I can prove that the BOM teaches false doctrine, and is not of God. People's beliefs are not reliable evidence. you can believe false things, after all. it could just in fact be evidence to the fact Joseph was a con man.
@@sertinduhm6378 thankfully God gave us free will and no belief can be proven. Just like science can't prove i love my family.
@@sertinduhm6378 People's beliefs are indeed not reliable evidence in a court of law or a research lab certainly, but I assure you that your day-to-day life would be miserable if you truly and completely were aware of how little we actually can prove factually while believing that faith is pointless.
Even if it is in the government or science, you are having faith in a lot of things. There's a lot we can prove, but there's *many* more gaps in that knowledge than most people realize.
There is faith and narrative in evolutionary theory for example, because even though we have fossils and DNA, we can only theorize as to why some changes occurred over time, since there are big gaps between fossils.
There is faith and narrative in physics (the building blocks of the material universe) because we don't understand gravity and classic and quantum physics are still divorced because no model has been legitimately proven to fit both.
There is faith in geology in the assumption that the constants used to date rock and sediment are correct and haven't changed for 4 billion years due to the solar system rotating around the milky way and the chaotic nature of space and how that can impact planets in ways that are difficult to understand fully.
The further down any field, even the hard sciences you go, the more you will find that there are countless gaps that even the brightest among us have to exert some kind of faith on. The idea that you can dismiss any and all anecdotal bits of truth is ridiculous, you couldn't even prove that the Armenian genocide ever happened for example, yet we have little reason to believe it didn't happen.
Some people believe anything. 😄
@@clearstonewindows by what do you mean beliefs can't be proven? there are certain claims made that if you put them to the test, do not come out as true. not just physical evidence, but also by way of reasoning. if you have a belief set that says we have 3 rules. rule 1. rules 2 and 3 are 100 percent true. rule 2. The dog will never die. rule 3. The dog will die. we should at least be able to infer that at least two rules of this belief set are false. therefore, the belief set as a whole is not true.
Great job on this video.. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it :) - Only suggestion I would make by way of correction is that when referring to the RLDS church (currently Community of Christ) which was founded in 1860 by Joseph Smith III and others, a picture of David Hyrum Smith (youngest son of Joseph & Emma) was shown instead of a picture of Joseph Smith III (eldest son of Joseph & Emma). Though David Hyrum Smith was also a prominent member of the RLDS church, it's probably better to show the photo of his elder brother Joseph III rather than his photo. Not a big deal but thought I'd let you know :)
Good one!
This is excellent! Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Who did the different voices of the siblings?
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
Thank you, Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God!
Where can I read his sister’s testimony ???
Hey can you make a video on the sealed portion of the plates why they were sealed and why god didn’t want Joseph smith Or anyone to read or translate them
Kinda hard to die for simply just a clever scam. That’s why I don’t think it could’ve even by a small chance, been a constructed deception.
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Joseph Smiths testimony of his first vision makes perfect sense, and is born out or supported by reality. Even the Bible stands in testimony against the babel of traditional Christianity with its tens of thousands of differing Christs and gospels.
Joseph Smith is a fraud 🤥
My experience is that most Mormons wouldn’t believe in their siblings making claims like, “I can translate ancient languages with my seer stone” or “God himself just descended and verbally spoke to me,” but they readily believe these claims from sources like William Smith about his sibling.
President Monson's brother was in my ward. It tripped me out a bit when he said in a testimony meeting, "I heard my brother say in conference..." I didn't know who his brother was at the time.
I am sure he knew his brother was a prophet in a similar way that I knew his brother was a prophet.
The Holy Ghost can testify of truth.
@@benjamindavis2037 How do you determine what is the Holy Ghost vs. internal emotional responses? Is there a reliable method for doing so?
That's because our experiences as siblings are much different than those who lived in 1800's. With typically larger families, more deaths per capita, and no T.V. children usually have a much more knitted view of eachother. The Smith family was also highly spiritual and open religiously. They were the perfect family to help the gospel of restoration grow. They supported eachother and knew eachother intimately. Families today, LDS included, are not as tight nit and more independent. We typically don't live in the same house or town together for the rest of our lives, and we have far less worries of death of loved ones or sickness that we will visit less frequently than our ancestors. Now do I believe in close knit family relationships and trusting eachother to the death in supporting their endeavors? Absolutely! That's what families are for in supporting good things for eachother collectively. Do I currently have such a family? not yet. Do I trust Joseph Smith had that family? Yes. So yeah I would also trust Samuel Smiths reflection on his brother and his judgement of his character more than I would my own brother. I would believe his relationship was much more sincere and trusting than mine.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 Do you think Joseph’s siblings would have supported him in his claims, even if they didn’t know that his religious claims were true?
@@mikefoxtrot1314 The only person that 'knew' and knows the claims were true was the person who made them. Everyone else had to judge the claim based on who made it. If it was a town vagrant, who was drunk most of the time, even if they were related, they wouldn't have supported him. They would have tried to help his addiction, but not his delusion. Joseph Smith wasn't baptized, didn't pick a church, and wasn't following the norm of his family. Which means he took his faith seriously. He didn't just do what everyone else was doing, he wasn't disrespecting by not going to church and arguing how his siblings were duped in finding faith. He searched diligently. His siblings were likely eagerly waiting for him to join a church and get baptized so he didn't suffer in hell. When he relayed his experience to them, it must have been a confusing revelation, but in order for them not dismiss his revelation as a complete fabrication and attention grabbing stunt, they would have to have had an amazing amount of respect and trust in who Joseph Smith was. Joseph would have had to have shown that he was a man of integrity even in his younger years. Beyond that, the Smith family itself had some of the most praise worthy people in it. Joseph wasn't even the best in character. People thought Hyrum was the prophet at first glance due to his good demeanor. I don't think the Smith family would compromise integrity for covering up their brothers lie. They would have treated Joseph as he would them complete support with integrity intact to tell them when they are wrong or deceived.
Emma smith left The church.
I have found something simple, at the end of the first 7 words of Bible,
in different languages, the last 7 letters are either 1 or 2 whole words!
New King James Version, the normal Ukrainian Bible and the English Transliteration of the Hebrew :
"b'reshit bara elohim et hashamayim v'et ha'aretz" !!!
Go check for yourself, and compare with ordinary books.
Ivan Panin 1855-1942 found many more patterns of 7, among the Hebrew and Greek ancient Scriptures,
but the possible results from the extra information, has meant that none of the Intelligent Design advocates will show this!
Because they think it will disturb their control and management of their parent Churches!
The Seventh Day Sabbath is Saturday as recognised by the Jews, and when the end times come, ignoring this fact,
will be the Mark of the Beast, as the Power of the Sunday Churches comes back with machines taking too much of Humans work.
The actual Hebrew, has many more patterns.
Jesus in Matthew 5:18, said not a single letter would be missing for ever,
which suggests that there could be more information, than only the meaning of the words!
God sent angel's to 🌎 Earth throughout time in the world's history, it's written in the Bible! God is in charge and he can choose anyone he wants to be a prophet of God if he chooses!
God uses imperfect people to do his will, on Earth 🌍! The Book of Mormon is simply a history of ancient people, with many life lessons to be learned throughout the book! The Book 📖 of Mormon has been demonized by other churches, without probable cause!
The Book of Mormon is a book of truth and God's wisdom! I'm forever greatful to be a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, and to be a Temple worker every Friday evening! I'm also greatful for truth at a time, when lie's are being presented as truth! The church has only been a blessing to me and my life.💕💜💕🙏🏻🕊️📖
Guess they knew JS was a prophet but none were able to follow Brigham young. Majority of the apostles also followed other churches so I guess one can’t blame them.
Thank you for your research and this presentation. I am curious as to Hyrum Smith, (I love that man) did he ever written down his testimony and how he got it?
So should we follow in the footsteps of Joseph Smith’s siblings and join the Community of Christ fka the RLDS? 🤔🧐
😂👍 if you want to share your husband with other wife's 😂😂😂
@@greggsutton3363 I am single, my friend 🥳
@@Maryel_R_R_Palmer are you trying to flirt with me 😏 😉
@@greggsutton3363 not if I have to share you with other wives. Ha! 🤪 But in all seriousness, the church I was referring to, Community of Christ, is a separate church from the LDS “mormon” church. None of Joseph’s immediate family actually followed Brigham Young to Utah, so I found it strange that this video in some ways promoted a different church. 🤔 A church that staunchly opposed polygamy btw.
@@Maryel_R_R_Palmer yes true I noticed that as well in the video I lived 45 Minutes away from the FLDS Church they also practice polygamy I never knew of the RLDS the split before heading to Utah I guess
I’ve never understood how, since a number of JS’s prophecies turned out to be false, & the Bible mentions what false prophets are, how that contradiction is OK w Mormon believers.
I know some believe in the Book of Mormon instead; which is fine. Since both books speak of different “Christs” though, I think it is disingenuous to use both books regardless………:/
Joesph Smith was a prophet of God ❤
There is not a single believable thing about Joseph smith
But you believe all the accusations?
@Julius Andrada how can you quote the Bible when you don't believe in it or as far as it's Translated Correctly did you drop James 1 in your hat 🤠 and get the correct translation
@@greggsutton3363 dont forget the part where the transcriber told Smith he lost all the writing and he would need to transcribe again...........Im sure the excuse for the differences can be explained......
Paul Gregersen debunked the arrogant Egyptologists, how do you respond?
@@Davidrcobb 😂👍