Tenpai Field Spell Loop Holes, Yubel Cards, Lies about S:P - Rulings
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- *Corrections*: Congrats on finding the most common mistake (it’s immune in mp1 to your MP1) Change Unchained Anguish to rage and change the turn.
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*Correction* Let’s change unchained soul of anguish to Rage!! And stick with that!
Regarding the effect of I:P Masquerena, can I use effect of I:P to link out unaffected monster by activated card effect to summon Goddess of the underworld? Many people say it's no possible, but I think it is okay because the i:p is not considered activated effect because the effect affect the resolution to link summon.
Also can I activate solemn judgement or solemn strike on the summon of goddess by the I:P effect if this is chain 1 in before chain?
@@r1ckcharged you can link away unaffected monster using I:P by going into underworld goddess! Underworld goddess is one of the best way to clear towers level monsters
@@r1ckcharged and if it is CL1 yes you can activate strike, warning, judgment to negate the summon.
@@MSTTVi have two deck profile request can you build kozmo and gladiator beast for this format please
How does Kurikara Divincarte interact with Tenpai dragon
Thank you, Tom for making this. We need more videos giving us knowledge on how to play this game correctly so many different interactions and certain wording, It’s hard to keep track of it all so I appreciate you! 💯💯
A note about the Unchained Souls linking away. While allowing the opponent's monster to become a Link material IS an effect that needs to apply on the target (so it won't work against "unaffected by activated effects"), the link summon itself is NOT considered removal by a card effect. For example, it won't trigger a Raye in the GY, Nightmare Throne or the Ritual Spell of Voiceless. And in cases like Mirrorjade or the continuous spell of Purrely where they mention "an opponent's card" that opponent's card is not the Unchained Soul monster using its effect but the new link summoned card (Rage + Mirrorjade into SP, the card responsible for making MJ activate is SP)
it does trigger nightmare throne, it says "if a yubel monsters leaves the field"
@@iCasperJay "+ by a card effect" which Unchained soul monsters aren't.
i had that unchained link off ruling come up a LOT during agov format as an unchained player, Obviously the main example about tearlaments names not triggering, But it also came up against sinful spoils R-ace one time, Where that ruling meant that turblance "pop a card if your card leaves the field by card effect" didnt trigger, and that actually was the decider in a super close game that let me take it
Good way to explain, the S:P ruling, some people don't get it. About paidra, I guess the monster are unnafected but their effects are not. No sense but konami and rulings don't make sense most of the times
it's just the targets of S:P are on the field so it will resolve as much as possible, but if one target leaves the field it can't resolve.
Very informative. Still have to create a tenpai and a yubel deck on edo to test them out.
This is why I love these videos: you learn something every time.🧠
I never knew changing the effect of a card doesn't affect that card.
Lair of Darkness beats out the Sangen field spell regardless of any ruling question related to the protection effect as Lair makes every monster on board DARK. Sangen Summoning only protects FIRE dragons
Lol
lair needs support
Something to look out for, its pretty simple but i've seen it happen. If a tenpai's effect to synchro summon is cl2, and on resolution of that chain they summon black rose dragon, they will NOT be able to use its effect in a new chain as its summon was not the last thing to occur in the previous chain.
How are you activating Unchained Soul of Anguish during the opponent’s Main Phase 1? This answer is wrong as the Tenpai Field Spell doesn’t protect Tenpais during the opponent’s turn, which is when Anguish activates.
Came here to say this. Replace Anguish with Rage and then it's correct.
Exact same thing I was going to say, field spell only protects on their main phase one not yours.
Let’s use unchain Soul of Rage
Congrats on catching the most common mistake with the card!
Ok if i understand i can link with tenpai dragon if is my turn (i play yubel) but i can’t link with rage in my ennemies turn, right ?
Another confusing interaction is Sangen Summoning vs D-Barrier. Tenpai player activates Black Rose Dragon with Summoning on the field, opponent chains D-Barrier calling Synchro.
While D-Barrier is a card that activates, its effect is a lingering-continuous effect that will negate Black Rose just like a Skill Drain.
In our regionals Sangen and Yubel rulings where the number 1 pain the entire day.
Doesn't D barrier effect the players, not the cards on the field?
@@TheHoodMVP "affecting players" is typically jargon meaning some actions are just prevented from even being attempted.
Also D-Barrier clearly applies to monsters (it says "negate the effects of all monsters of that type while they are on the field"). For example if you have an unaffected monster like Ultimate Falcon already on the field, it doesn't care about D-Barrier
@@babrad that is false. D barrier still affects a 5 material unaffected noir.
What I mean to say is d barrier is effecting the player in his scenario, nothing on his field since he does not control a synchro in the scenario posed.
@@TheHoodMVP ultimate falcon "unaffected by card effects"
Noir "unaffected by ACTIVATED effects"
Please just read before saying someone is false next time.
@@TheHoodMVP also NO, D-Barrier isn't worded like cards such as Mystic Mine that would prevent even Falcon from activating its effect since it directly applies to monsters on the field. And even in that case it doesn't "affect a player", it just prevents an action in the game state.
The only card in the game you'll find "affecting the player" is Mystical Refpanel, but assuming you know the complete bs rulings this card has I believe you understand why "affecting the player" is jargon and never used by judges in any official capacity
My judge at locals told me to activate rise rank up magic force makes me to use two monsters on the field to go into the the new boss monster for Raidraptor
Hey Tom I was at locals last night watching two players; player (a) tenpai player (b) voiceless voice. They were discussing lingering effects on their cards. Player a says the sangenpai trans. Drag. Effect lingers even if it leaves field; Your opponent cannot activate cards or effects during the Battle Phase. Player b says no it doesn’t. Player a says during this weekend judges were ruling it as such. The question is does it linger even after Sangen leaves the field or gets booked? I said it doesn’t after the match but they really believe this the way it works. Next thing that happened, was player b has saffrina ritual using the new blessings of the vv . If the blessing leaves the field does the saffrina keep its battle protection as a lingering effect. I say it doesn’t bc the spell card blessings doesn’t state even after this card leaves the field apply the protect from battle effect. What are your thoughts? Thank you Tom have a safe flight.
Wait how does Sangenpai transcend dragon linger… it’s a continuous effect, clearly someone didn’t read the cards like me.
Blessing’s ritual summon does linger because the entire ritual summon performed has already applied its effect upon that ritual summon via an , and if you do it cannot be destroyed by battle.
The thing is the S:P Little knight ruling only matters if you have a way to not die because otherwise you're doing exactly what the raigeki meant to do and removing your monster so they can kill you.
It also matters when your opponent tries to break your board with SP. If you could protect your monster from SP (e.g eagle booster), SP banishes itself still. This is important cause they lost a potential link 2 to climb with.
Stealth Kragen deals with the field spell, it makes all monsters water atribute
U can also do it with abyss actors to play playhouse and it swap it
Great vid
About Nibiru vs Sangen, how would you rule it if there isn't any non Fire Dragon on the field?
I've seen cases where Nib activates and does nothing, while others say Nib is an illegal activation in the first place.
Due to simulators the first case is very common, but iirc from Super Poly against unaffected monsters the activation is indeed illegal and you can't activate cards doing nothing so i believe this is the correct ruling.
You can activate Nibiru, even if all monsters the opponent controls would be unaffected by it. It's stupid I know, but most things can attempt to affect an unaffected monster. Destruction, Banishment, Negation, Tributing, Using as Link Material, Used as Tribute etc... Just not as used as Fusion Material because Konami hates us and wants to make this game's rules as convoluted as possible.
Sangen summoning shouldn't prevent nightmare pain because it only protects in main phase 1...?
Summoning isn't the card in question with Nightmare Pain, Paidra is
Nightmare pain is continuous effect, not activated effect, so they are still forced to attack
I re watched video and misunderstood. I understand now. Thank you.
Had this at a locals today:
Player A has imperm set
Player B actives Sangen Summoning, then normal summons tenpia Paidra
Player A chains imperm on the summon, targeting paidra
Player A, and the judge at the locals were saying imperm resolves negating the monsters effect. Why is that?
Me and the player it was happening to said it didn't.
It dont yeah
that judge is a drunkard, maybe
Your judge was high.
its so strange that samsara can change the effects but those effects cant be negated by an ash for example.
So would Gossip Shadow workas well? A tenpai dragon if field spell is on field aswell?
Yes, it changes the effect.
I have a question about if Nightmare pain is able to stop Tenpai in a way? Does the forced attack and damage inflicting pose as a problem to Tenpai players?
It can cause problems for them, if it means they would end up killing themselves, only Paidra prevents the battle damage. In all likelihood they would need to remove Nightmare Pain before trying to do anything else.
Why tenpai monster can't activate their effect Vs number 38 @MSTTV
The Unchained Soul of Anguish ruling will always tick me off due to the "immediately after this effect resolves." I'm pretty sure Konami intended for it to be a way to bypass protections, TCG being TCG ruled otherwise.
Also: daruma cannon. If no monsters are flipped, you don't have to clear your board
Answer for the unchained is incorrect. Field spell protects during ur turn not ur opponent’s turn. N the unchained link only works enduring ur turn
What about a Dina with a moon mirror shield? Would that stop the dragons? My theory being that nothing I’ve done affects their monsters just the game state and my own monster.
Anything with Moon Mirror Shield stops them, if they can't remove Moon Mirror Shield or the monster it's equipped to (which they probably can).
A ruling that came up for my locals was what happens if player a has chaos angel and player b has ip masquerana and tries to go into underworld goddess. Can player b use chaos angel as one of the materials?
a month late buy yes you can use the opponents chaos angle for underworld goddess.
reason being is that underworld being able to use an opponents monster isn't an activated effect. its actually not even an effect so it gets around monsters with the text "unaffected by card effects."
kaiju's, lava golem, and sphere mode all behave the same way
How is samsara lotus different from ash blossom? Ash negates only the effect, but tenpais are unaffected by ash blossom
Not an effect change
Question 3 : What if we use I:P to link summon goddess? Can we use the opponent monster due to the fact it's a summoning condition.
you can use the opponents monster when using I:P into goddess. reason being is that konami said so.
when goddess first came out there was some argument that you shouldn't be able to because of the same ruling the prevents Decode Talker from tributing an opponents monster it points to. but konami says you can I:P into goddess so you can I:P into goddess, even works that way in master duel.
But is nightmare pain an activated effect? How is summoning disreguarding a continuous effect?
Paidra effect says you take no battle damage
@@EpicKingofFail ahhh, thanks
Tenpai dragons vs nightmare pain's damage effect? Does the tenpai receive damage?
Yes if paidra isn’t on field
Can I use Sauravis to banish an opponents fire dragon synchro under the protection of the field spell?
You can, as the monster is not yet on the field when its summon is negated and is banished.
I thought resolving as much as possible meant, do as many of a sequential list of effects as possible. In the case of sp I don't understand stand how that applies since banshing both is the only effect, I guess what I'm trying to say is , if sp said "banish this card and then banish the other targeted monster till end phase" and I would get it, but it just says banish both which implies at the same time and that both need banished. I guess at the end of the day yugioh card text sucks sometimes and maybe this is just one of those times
Basically you need to have both targets present on resolution for the effect to try to resolve. If they are both on the field, it attempts to resolve the effect, and is able to do so, but only one of those cards ends up banished. If one of the cards was removed before resolution, then the card resolves without effect because it couldn't attempt to "banish both"
Generally when you have an unaffected card, it means you are allowed to apply effects to it, it just changes the result of the resolution. It means that SP's effect can be applied legally to both targets so it resolves, and only then as you're resolving the banishing effect, you then apply Sanger summoning's protection effect. It's similar to texts such as 'if this card leaves the field, banish it instead', you can apply effects to send it to the GY, the effect applies legally, but the card then gets immediately diverted to the banished zone instead.
The same way Escape of the Unchained will destroy only 1 card if you use a protection effect like Balelynx, Dingirsu, or Muck. The "both" keyword mainly cares about not losing its targets and once it reaches resolution, it tries to apply on every possible target then alternative/protection effects kick in.
the s:p one feels unfair and ruled improperly. definetly should be changed. if it says destroy both, you definetly should have to banish both, it’s so dumb that it “resolves as much as possible”
@@clee5791999 this was such a roundabout explanation but as a teacher, I appreciate it and this is what I do daily with my students!
I got all the rulings correct pog
Can Nightmare throne add any fiend with 0 atk?????
it has to be a Fiend monster with exactly 0 ATK and 0 DEF
Yep. Doesn't have to be Yubel related. Can add things like Dark Beckoning Beast.
However, you CANNOT search Nightmare Throne with Nightmare Pain or Spirit of Yubel’s effect.
@@6210classick I just cant understand why because there are cards that specify, "atk and def" as well as cards that specify "atk or def", so i would assume the "/" would mean and/or, for example when adamancipater dragite activates its negate it says "spell/trap which in this case the "/" means OR.. so is this one of those rulings that is just konami said so or is there a precedent here???
@@ReDragon8700 you're over thinking it, the card is meant to search Yubel, her other forms and any related cards which all happen to be 0/0 Fiend
Are you saying Lair of Darkness is Anti-Meta? 😮 👀
Question3 answer b , can’t be used link
Like I know you are right at 3:00 but Yu Gi Oh ruilings are so inconsistent because you can't negate the effects of unaffected monsters. So why can you alter the effects of unaffected monsters.
If they made a floodgate that said something like "Change all monsters on the fields effects to "This card loses 1000 attack" while they remain face-up on the field" by this logic would that then be able to replace the effects of unaffected monsters? Because by this logic set by Konami you can just blank unaffected monsters by having a card that just replaces their effect box.
Think of it this way. You are essentially changing the text on the card when you change a monsters effect. When you try to negate a monsters effect you’re trying to do something to that monster.
Yeah but you are still applying an effect to an unaffected monster. It logically makes 0 sense. There should be nothing in the game that can interact with a card that has "unaffected" on its card text.
@@gubigubigubigubiYu-Gi-Oh rulings are bad we all know xD
I was saying this earlier! I saw a post on the judges lounge on Facebook regarding Rising Rebellion Falcon and Skill Drain and apparently RRFs effect will resolve “negated” if Skill Drain was already face up when it was summoned, so said multiple people on the post. Which I thought was absolutely ridiculous, but that’s Konami for you!
Just a thing to note. Sangen summoning says it protects against your opponents ACTIVATED effects. So in your example of the floodgate, that would be a blanket effect, and I believe it would work in changing the tenpais effects. Blanket effects and activated effects work differently (I could be wrong and sorry if I am, but I think I'm right lol)
Sp should be coming to master duel very soon.
In the second scenario SP resolves by removing Paidra and herself. This is easy, your opponent cannot activate raigeki on your turn, it must be on his turn, the field only protects you during your Main Phase I, so in itself the fire dragons can be affected without problem because it is your opponent's Main Phase I.
Question 2 answer c
Resolve with effect pt 1
My own version of this: if you activate soul crossing attempting to tribute monsters unaffected by card effects or activated effects, does it tribute the monster or no?
Answer…it DOES tribute it! Why? Because you’re not summoning a monster, you’re summoning a god!
If you want a proper ruling instead of a meme, the real reason is due to the fact the tributing is not part of the card effect. You will see this in every similar card always having that part in a separate sentence from the main effect.
For example, let's take Unchained linking away monsters. It can't use unaffected monsters. Its effect is:
You can target 1 face-up Special Summoned monster your opponent controls; immediately after this effect resolves, Link Summon 1 DARK Link Monster, except "Unchained Soul of Rage", by using only that opponent's monster and this card you control as material.
How would this work if Unchained were gods....emm... i mean if they could affect unaffected monsters? Something like this:
You can target 1 face-up Special Summoned monster your opponent controls; immediately after this effect resolves, Link Summon 1 DARK Link Monster, except "Unchained Soul of Rage", by using only this card you control as material. When you do, you can also use the opponent's monster targeted by this card's effect.
@@babrad chill, it was meant to be a semi joke. Soul crossing’s wording is identical to stormforth. This is not like summoning an underworld goddess if that’s what you’re implying. Goddess is summoning condition while soul crossing and stormforth apply an effect on the monster. Stormforth, unexplored winds, and lair of darkness do not work against unaffected monsters. Soul crossing based on those other cards shouldn’t work either but it does. Now memes aside, for the actual reason why, I was under the impression that it’s just because Konami said so.
@@vparsa87 it is not identical to Stormforth, that is the entire point.
@@vparsa87 also I'm chill because I like this joke. I just thought it was a good idea to give some insight about the actual rulings.
Another example is Soul Exchange. The original card cannot work against unaffected monsters. But the retrain "Spell Card: Soul Exchange" does in the exact same fashion as Soul Crossing.
PSCT is consistent with that ruling by separating the part that can affect even unaffected monsters in a different sentence.
That's why I gave you an example of how Unchained Souls would be worded if they could also link away unaffected monsters.
In TCG we typically use "Konami said so" to separate Continuous effects from Conditions unfortunately, but thankfully in the OCG every effect (except conditions) is numbered.
@@babradbeen waiting 25 years for the TCG to get behind the 1, 2, 3 theme of showing activated affects of the OCG cards. Makes it MUCH easier to see what is activated. Also easier to word which effects are HOPT versus not.
😂-first
Further proving yugioh is a stupid game with very little consistency between rulings and the reasons ANY rulings exist is simply because konami says so and not because it makes logical sense.
you need to be a freaking lawyer to play this game in any serious level ffs