I hope you guys enjoy the video! I had fun recording with my friends for this one :D. Let know if you’d change any positions or your thoughts! All of these thoughts are based off of our experiences playing the betas, looking at character kits, and also testing certain things with characters in the game. The list will advance more as time goes on :]
Can't wait for 6 months to a year from now when all the tierlists will look crazy because of one reason for another. Honestly, it's one of my favorite parts of these games. Seeing how characters and the feelings/attitudes towards them change once new info/strategies are figured out
Why tier lists change usually is not because of new found strategies or lore. Its usually the new released op charaxters and old characters getting outpowered from new ones. Its one way to sell new characters i suppose
Zenless looking more appealing as it gets closer to release i think they did really well with the marketing since the livestream a lot of people were disinterested before now i been seeing a lot of opinions change.
One thing I haven't seen anyone answer so far is a Disorder team better than a mono-element team - like say is Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku as mono-ice better than Ellen/Lycaon/Rina as an Ice/Shock Disorder team with res pen? I'd think the Disorder team is best overall, but some confirmation of just how powerful Disorder is vs mono would be fantastic EDIT: plus I just realized that the Disorder team I listed are all in the same faction, so you'd have a team-wide faction bonus as well
Just noticed this but its as if Hoyoverse is listening to its players as of late and adding what we want in other games. For example I remember the rewards complaint in Genshin, as a HSR players I CANNOT deny they give some good rewards out your guranteed a 10 pull every new version just for a login a week. Another example is the loc on enemies, I remember EVERYBODY saying they hated how you would auto lock on enemies in genshin even if you didnt want to, now in ZZZ you can loc on an enemy you want to fight.
billys animations and design are so damn cool its a shame hes a 4 star, or at least its a shame his balance state puts him at the bottom of everyones tier lists🥲🥲 still gonna play him tho
I know the video just came out, but some timestamps would be ideal ^^" nonetheless, great video, it's great to hear all the different opinions, especially when it came to Ben. Since I'll be arriving from Genshin and I have that "shielders take damage away so they're bad" mindset from grinding abyss, but now I'll definitely be giving him a shot when I get him!
Grounded is a really fun survival coop game.Where you get shrunk down and thrown into a garden full insects that are now bigger then you. I had a blast with a bunch of my friends. Defeating bosses and fending off the hordes of insects that come to ransack your base. Highly recommended 🎉
unrelated but i genuinely hope they continue the tradition of adding character expis on zzz as well even though i heard they say they want this game to be outside that universe but i really really pray they add raiden mei later on
I’m so excited for piper, from what I’m aware of she’s gonna be gacha only so I really hope I get her, her, Corin, and rina is my planned team for now!:)
For how long are Rina's puppets on field? As someone who didn't have a chance to play I can't imagine how they work. A1 adds +5,5 seconds to that, that seems solid, but what is the base value? Same thing with Nicoles def% shred, that only lasts 2seconds? Is there a way to have it work for more than just the chain attack then? 2s seems so short.
Name a more iconic combo: Iyo and bad takes... Moon for the win. Rina can easily go over 50% Defense shred, making her evergreen. There will never be a time where Defense doesn't matter, and the only time a team comp won't benefit from her is if there's a power creep version of her that can't stack for some reason (like going over 100% Def shred). Her being the most ara ara oneesan at launch is just two cherries on top.
@@klain9701 if you wouldn't mind, letting me know where those datamines are from? Since I also want to see about the 3 new bangboos, that'll be new on release
There’s nothing wrong with differing opinions when it comes to the characters since we all do have different experiences, look at kits differently, etc. Especially when it’s an earlier on (pre release) tier list :). I personally value rina the way I do because of her kit, as well as playing her already. It seems like the group is pretty set on / agree she is minimum t 0.5, especially for her supportive capabilities.
i couldnt follow who said that ellen isnt number 1 dps early game but i also have another explanation about why zhu yuan is better than ellen: so technically speaking ellens team is 3 ice and 2 victoria which grants her massive buff and she is busted, but zhu yuans team is 2 ether and 2 cunning hares; what im saying is that ellen has 2 extra buffs from ice and victoria but zhu yuan has only one from ether and both teams are busted like ik both solo ellen and solo zhuyuan is really powerful but ellens best team comp adds her more power that can add up to the same power as zhu yuans best team comp early game
I thought the same thing. Soldier 11 is the one I am looking forward to…except for Miyabi. I hope she is next patch, because I might be hoarding pulls.
I think Lucy can't be slot into any team with the current roster. Firw team ? Lost Koleda/Ben combo Physical with Piper ? No dazer. Electric ? Can't trigger her own passive. Ice? No.
Idk if I agree about Anby/Nicole being T2 and thats simply because of teambuilding standpoint. They might not be the best outright, but lets take a look at this: We have a team we want to make for Zhu, the only Ether dps in the game, so we want to ensure her and everyone's abilities are active. The only unit that can trigger her passive is Nicole, and by that reasoning alone she's already much "better" as not only she's free, she's the only one that's able to enable Zhu to begin with. then we have slot 3, Zhu is a burst unit you having stun unit is ideal here to ensure you can break enemies asap and abuse modifiers. the only unit that fills that role in that comp can be Amby, you could use Lycaon, but Lycaon won't be working at 100% efficiency and he can be used on another team. We have so little units in the game at launch everyone have thier role and use, and I feel like those 2 especially were unjustly put tier lower, simply because if you're going for Zhu, you WILL want to use both of them, and for what we know we might keep doing it for couple of patches if not more depending who will be released over time. I think teambuilding to enabling those passives is too important based on what we've seen.
IIRC, it is purely for RUclips search/discovery algorithm optimisation. The algorithm seems to prefer when a channel is more or less dedicated to one topic / show, rather than just being a smorgasbord of different stuff. An established creator may not care because they have a built-in viewer base, but smaller creators might want to try every bit that helps.
How good is lycon without the ice team ? Like can i play him other two characters which are not ice and clear all content without too much effort? I am a casual and don't wanna play too complex characters and also wanna save my pulls this patch so which free characters the best and easier to play who i can clear content with?
I hope you guys enjoy the video! I had fun recording with my friends for this one :D. Let know if you’d change any positions or your thoughts! All of these thoughts are based off of our experiences playing the betas, looking at character kits, and also testing certain things with characters in the game. The list will advance more as time goes on :]
Can't wait for 6 months to a year from now when all the tierlists will look crazy because of one reason for another. Honestly, it's one of my favorite parts of these games. Seeing how characters and the feelings/attitudes towards them change once new info/strategies are figured out
I agree! It’s cool to see how the game evolves from pre-release / launch to a few patches in.
Between now and 1 year I’m calling it billy will get a huge buff with a great support unit that helps him
Why tier lists change usually is not because of new found strategies or lore. Its usually the new released op charaxters and old characters getting outpowered from new ones. Its one way to sell new characters i suppose
Huhhhh
Zenless looking more appealing as it gets closer to release i think they did really well with the marketing since the livestream a lot of people were disinterested before now i been seeing a lot of opinions change.
Rina's kit seems futureproof ( def ignore is always cracked in hoyo games )
Everybody sleeping on Ben meanwhile I plan on being a Ben main 100%. He's the first hoyoverse character that actually feels like he's made for me
Love love love your sprite/model! It's so pretty and animated, props to the artist
Thank you :]
Huge agree!!!!
Fine, I'll subscribe to the channel, hope we see some cool new ZZZ outfits in the future - Jade look is 🔥
I dont care how good the characters in the virtual idol faction are im pulling for them immediately and maining them
One thing I haven't seen anyone answer so far is a Disorder team better than a mono-element team - like say is Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku as mono-ice better than Ellen/Lycaon/Rina as an Ice/Shock Disorder team with res pen? I'd think the Disorder team is best overall, but some confirmation of just how powerful Disorder is vs mono would be fantastic EDIT: plus I just realized that the Disorder team I listed are all in the same faction, so you'd have a team-wide faction bonus as well
Ice is kind of the top element cuz of just how many effects it has as of beta.
Great tier list and love that it had so many creators and opinions involved. Also subbed so I can guarantee I get Ellen on the 50/50 :D
Just noticed this but its as if Hoyoverse is listening to its players as of late and adding what we want in other games. For example I remember the rewards complaint in Genshin, as a HSR players I CANNOT deny they give some good rewards out your guranteed a 10 pull every new version just for a login a week. Another example is the loc on enemies, I remember EVERYBODY saying they hated how you would auto lock on enemies in genshin even if you didnt want to, now in ZZZ you can loc on an enemy you want to fight.
billys animations and design are so damn cool its a shame hes a 4 star, or at least its a shame his balance state puts him at the bottom of everyones tier lists🥲🥲 still gonna play him tho
ZZZ really only captivated my attention in the past two weeks, their marketing has been fire. Can’t wait to see how everything plays out on release!
Love the longer video with in depth discussion! I would totally be in favor or doing another tier list after release maybe a month into the game 🙌🏽
Billy.. my reason to play zzz is gone 💔
I know the video just came out, but some timestamps would be ideal ^^" nonetheless, great video, it's great to hear all the different opinions, especially when it came to Ben. Since I'll be arriving from Genshin and I have that "shielders take damage away so they're bad" mindset from grinding abyss, but now I'll definitely be giving him a shot when I get him!
Great coverage Moon! Love your content
I'm not disappointed that Lycaon not the no.1 yet but one of the strongest since I'm now pulling for him
Grounded is a really fun survival coop game.Where you get shrunk down and thrown into a garden full insects that are now bigger then you. I had a blast with a bunch of my friends. Defeating bosses and fending off the hordes of insects that come to ransack your base. Highly recommended 🎉
unrelated but i genuinely hope they continue the tradition of adding character expis on zzz as well even though i heard they say they want this game to be outside that universe but i really really pray they add raiden mei later on
I’m so excited for piper, from what I’m aware of she’s gonna be gacha only so I really hope I get her, her, Corin, and rina is my planned team for now!:)
i may or may not be tearing up cuz ive been waiting for this game since the first trailer came out 2yrs ago😭
I'm actually contemplating on saving all my pulls for future characters. I think we should be able to clear content with the free characters we get.
For how long are Rina's puppets on field? As someone who didn't have a chance to play I can't imagine how they work.
A1 adds +5,5 seconds to that, that seems solid, but what is the base value?
Same thing with Nicoles def% shred, that only lasts 2seconds?
Is there a way to have it work for more than just the chain attack then? 2s seems so short.
My new favorite ZZZ content creator
thank you :]
I DIDNT EVEN KNOW YOU HAD THIS CHANNEL LMAO, I SUBSCRIBED IMMEDIATELY
Name a more iconic combo: Iyo and bad takes...
Moon for the win. Rina can easily go over 50% Defense shred, making her evergreen. There will never be a time where Defense doesn't matter, and the only time a team comp won't benefit from her is if there's a power creep version of her that can't stack for some reason (like going over 100% Def shred). Her being the most ara ara oneesan at launch is just two cherries on top.
how will she get over 50% def shred, when its locked to 35% max?
I'm the bringer of bad news, not only Def shred has a cap, but Rinas Def shred got nerfed by half (datamines) , Rina got done dirty
@@klain9701 if you wouldn't mind, letting me know where those datamines are from? Since I also want to see about the 3 new bangboos, that'll be new on release
There’s nothing wrong with differing opinions when it comes to the characters since we all do have different experiences, look at kits differently, etc. Especially when it’s an earlier on (pre release) tier list :). I personally value rina the way I do because of her kit, as well as playing her already. It seems like the group is pretty set on / agree she is minimum t 0.5, especially for her supportive capabilities.
One of my favorite games is Orc Massage. It has great story and plot.
Billy will get his redemption arc
i couldnt follow who said that ellen isnt number 1 dps early game but i also have another explanation about why zhu yuan is better than ellen: so technically speaking ellens team is 3 ice and 2 victoria which grants her massive buff and she is busted, but zhu yuans team is 2 ether and 2 cunning hares; what im saying is that ellen has 2 extra buffs from ice and victoria but zhu yuan has only one from ether and both teams are busted like ik both solo ellen and solo zhuyuan is really powerful but ellens best team comp adds her more power that can add up to the same power as zhu yuans best team comp early game
wait where is soldier 11
her icon was missing so we used the miyabi icon as a place holder
I thought the same thing. Soldier 11 is the one I am looking forward to…except for Miyabi. I hope she is next patch, because I might be hoarding pulls.
My reason for planning to pull for Zhu Yuan, so I can use Nicole
Did they all forget about soldier 11?
The list didn’t have her icon, we used miyabis as a placeholder.
Even if Billy is the worst, I'll main him. He's my pookie fr
Also want Nekomata and Rina
Kirby Super Star Ultra is so valid
I think Lucy can't be slot into any team with the current roster.
Firw team ? Lost Koleda/Ben combo
Physical with Piper ? No dazer.
Electric ? Can't trigger her own passive.
Ice? No.
Idk if I agree about Anby/Nicole being T2 and thats simply because of teambuilding standpoint.
They might not be the best outright, but lets take a look at this:
We have a team we want to make for Zhu, the only Ether dps in the game, so we want to ensure her and everyone's abilities are active.
The only unit that can trigger her passive is Nicole, and by that reasoning alone she's already much "better" as not only she's free, she's the only one that's able to enable Zhu to begin with.
then we have slot 3, Zhu is a burst unit you having stun unit is ideal here to ensure you can break enemies asap and abuse modifiers.
the only unit that fills that role in that comp can be Amby, you could use Lycaon, but Lycaon won't be working at 100% efficiency and he can be used on another team.
We have so little units in the game at launch everyone have thier role and use, and I feel like those 2 especially were unjustly put tier lower, simply because if you're going for Zhu, you WILL want to use both of them, and for what we know we might keep doing it for couple of patches if not more depending who will be released over time.
I think teambuilding to enabling those passives is too important based on what we've seen.
At last, someone with courage has given their opinion.
I was hoping Ellen would be good ever since I saw her disgusted face in the launcher 😂
BILLY NO I WANNA MAIN HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I think he could potentially be moved up a bit, but once the game is out we’ll reassess and see where we place him after :)
same😭😭😭
Go for it champ
why do you all make seperate channels for zzz?
IIRC, it is purely for RUclips search/discovery algorithm optimisation. The algorithm seems to prefer when a channel is more or less dedicated to one topic / show, rather than just being a smorgasbord of different stuff. An established creator may not care because they have a built-in viewer base, but smaller creators might want to try every bit that helps.
Are there any viable ways to build a team without an attacker at this early stage? Like two supports and a stun, or support stun anomaly?
Do we have a guild system? If so are you going to share it ?
I totally agree with Rinas placement
Please more husbandos
How good is lycon without the ice team ? Like can i play him other two characters which are not ice and clear all content without too much effort? I am a casual and don't wanna play too complex characters and also wanna save my pulls this patch so which free characters the best and easier to play who i can clear content with?
Yes he still offers his role as a Stun unit
@@thetruestar6348But is that it than ?
That was fast!
Sadly they changed plenty of chars in prerelease or so it seems from datamine.
Justice for Gotham.
i recommend ( pgr ) and ( epic seven ) to you guys, these games are underrated .
Im glad the sexc dog is meta 😌
Should I pull for Ellen or wait for miysbi?
I recommend the Kingdom Hearts series 🙃
can't wait to make fun of this 3 months in when we learn it's WRONG 😏
uhoh
W video
The game is 24 gb. Hopefully it’ll be worth keeping. I’m optimistic for it. Rerolling for a Rina or Grace with Ellen account.
How is there already a tier list…
We have all played the previous betas and experienced the characters so we got together to discuss each character for a pre-release tier list.
God i wish i could play, the characters all look so fun
Hello, omg first xd
Hi :)
@@zenlessmoon still grinding?
Ben is T0
hai
Why does this game look like it came out in 2010.