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It looks like Toyota took a cut in parts quality to pay for advanced tech in the cab. I hope this a one off, considering the hell Top Gear got their Hilux through !
I HATE when someone says "Well, it's the 1st year its to be expected". This is a $45k - $50K truck that is meant for off-roading. Those conditions were no where near abuse. If everyone waited a year or more to buy the 1st redesign of anything then the manufacturers would lose their butts. These should be tested and tested again before any consumer gets their hands on it.
The 1st gen Raptors were toughted by Ford as a great Baja type truck. What started to happen on those trucks? The frame started to bend. I've even read a story about a Jeep Wrangler (maybe even a Gladiator but cant exactly remember) that drove his Jeep through a muddy puddle at a not so fast speed but enough to throw water/mud onto the hood. It lost power due to the alternator getting too much water/mud on it. Jeep DENIED his warranty claim as they claimed it was due to abuse! Tundra's have had, and still do, issues with going from 2HI to 4HI or 4LO not fully engaging. The 4HI/4LO flash nonstop on the cluster and you have to let the truck sit for minutes to literally over night before it finally disenages the partial 2HI to 4HI or 4LO transition. Toyota does nothing about it, even when a customer brings it in. The Tacoma's were a solid performer up until it and it shows. They put in these little turbo 4 bangers (turbo for off roading, ok...) and redesigned the 4wd for it. So good luck to all the 1st generation owners of the new 2024 Tacoma's and these future issues you have from barely off roading them.
@@RN-fx3zl that’s the comment of a jealous hater. Hey, I’m just joking around. I’ll probably upgrade in a year or two. Isn’t going to sway me. This is why you don’t buy first year. And I looked it up. It’s only 22-23s. I’d love to get a brand new axle. Oh well
@@dadventuretv2538 Well damn man you've driven from bottom for south American to the Arctic circle?! How was your trip in Africa? And did you enjoy driving through the Nordic countries?
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Toyota fans often sugarcoat or hide issues. A Prius owner told me his never needed repair. The head gasket blowing was "routine maintenance". 😂
Its their garbage fake limited slip diff wheel braking while on power to hold the wheel from spinning. was ok when tacoma was low torque but the new turbo 4cyl add heaps of low end torque. The scary thing is Toyota won't redesign this until it strands tens of thousands of people enough to make a recall
I’ll tell you exactly what broke this truck. It’s a phenomenon well known in the turbo industry. It’s called dynamic loading. In short the turbo at consistent low RPMs generates a ton of torque. It overloaded the gear train somewhere in the front end and something broke. Based on the behavior I think they ripped out the front ring gear or ripped several teeth off of it by overloading it. The transfer case was still in 4wd but chances are the shaft was just spinning on either a stripped ring or pinion gear. Most transfer cases are chain driven or gear driven with very sturdy gears. Usually it’s the ring and pinion up front that give way.. it’s possible this was a defective part
@@matthewcaughey8898I am not disagreeing with you at all, BUT, I can show you thousands of Honda civic putting out 700-1400 hp on factory transmission. Also look at all the diesel trucks with heavy mods and they are not snapping like this. For a Toyota I am shocked.
I’m 71 and have been driving in snow and 4wheeling since I was 17. First thing l learned DON’T use low range in the snow, use the highest gear it will pull itself, less tire spin!
Well…. That’s how economics work….in this case you put the hard work in and people watch the videos. You tube in turn gives you a portion of their advertising revenue…
I hope we're not entered into what GM tried in the 80's. Cash in on your previous reliable reputation and start making garbage to increase profits. They'll make billions before people figure it out, but you'll never get your reputation back. GM is still paying for that decision.
Probably just because that anemic 3.5L V6 cant break anything below 4000 rpm. Trucks that actually have some power and torque, like the GX470, GX460 and V8 4runner dont have much issue breaking CV's and rear axles
@@Blackhawk556.That "stop sale" order is due to "software "not "hardware." Looks like toyota needs a stop sale order for hardware LOL be honest with yourself, toyota reliability is a thing of the past since they are forced to modernize their engines and transmissions instead of using the same ones from 20 years ago.
This^ go buy a cheap old Toyota jeep ect whatever you prefer and have fun. Don’t have to worry about scratches dents or even making back home with it lol
I have been doing stuff like this, and worse, in my 2010 tacoma for almost 10 years. Never once did i ever feel i was going to break something, and its been 100% reliable. They werent even doing anything to abuse the truck. Spinning the tires on snow? I do that to mine just to exercise the 4wd😂. What a pos this thing is, and sadly has soiled the tacoma name
@@Jimmhout correct. My 3rd Gen 4runner limited was dirt cheap 5 years ago, everything underneath works including the rear locker and I've had tons of fun in northern AZ with it. One day I'll get it painted and redo the interior, but that's all cosmetic.
@@palebeachbum 100%. honda and toyota both built amazing reputations in the 90s to early '00s and theyve been coasting downhill ever since unfortunately.
Look under the hood, and seeing all the hoses, wires and tubes running up over and around and thru....even a city dweller can tell you that these are high maintenance monsters....freeway cruisers and money guzzlers. Want reliability...go fix up and completely rebuild a 1999 unit and put the money NOT spent rebuilding in the bank.
@@str775 not exactly, general consumers are not beta testers. Enthusiasts are beta testers. Except maybe a public beta like FSD Beta is a beta and people complain that it’s not ready. Come on it’s a beta for a reason.
@@Defianthuman Beta is usually for a product not yet available for the public. This garbage is already in the showrooms, meaning it's supposed to be fully "tested" and ready to go.
He should have worn boots. Offroading in snow and not being prepared with the proper gear is beyond me. For a truck guy, he gives mall crawler vibes after describing his "discomfort" with things.
Driveline Engineer here. The conditions when the failure occurred were modest. Very low mu surface, limited alternating mu conditions, no wheel hop, limited wheel spin, lightly loaded, relatively flat ground, stock setup, limited to no steering angle, limited cyclic damage due to new-ish hardware.
A failure under these conditions is abnormal. My assumption is the majority of the damage was done at an earlier point and this is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Making it a fatigue failure. However, I feel like we’ve seen the majority of the obstacles this truck has experienced and nothing has been unreasonable so far. I must wonder if it is a Quality issue. Please let us know what you find!
The truck just came out and it’s already fatigued? Shame how far Toyota has fallen. Guess them moving manufacturing to Mexico didn’t help. 50k truck fail
@@AndyFox22 the chevy didnt blow its transfer case under low load though, so id say chevy came out on top. While i will agree GM cost cuts in certain areas, I have a 2018 Silverado LTZ Z71 and it is perfect, has no issues.
@albion2742 Sure bud! It is a rare day that you see a Tacoma broke down on the side of the road. I've seen Tacoma's do RIDICULOUS things and keep going. I just read an article about a 1.6 million mile 2008 Tacoma. In nearly 30 years of Tacomas, this is the first time I've ever heard of one breaking nearly instantly. This is Toyotas equivalent of Harley's AMF erra. Vehicles that break often and when they do its a fortune to fix. BMW powered Supra, Subaru powered GR86, piss poor turbo charged trucks that are incredibly difficult to work on and a fortune to repair. It's $32k to replace the new Tundra engine and you can't just do it in your back yard.
Felt a bit regret buying my 23 trd off road in March of 2023 just after seeing the new ads of the 24 tacoma but after watching this I am so relieved my money was spent on something that’s been proven reliable. Thanks for the video
As a die hard Toyota guy, I hate to agree with you. But there's no reason that cv should have snapped there. I'm really hoping toyotas quality doesn't fall too far. I gotta say, that Colorado is a sharp truck
@@philiptaylor2567 I actually really like the 2024 Toyota Tacoma. I saw one on display at the last auto show I went to. The great thing for me anyways is Toyota fixed the seating position. Driver knee bend to the brake and throttle are more comfortable. The technology also really impresses. I am sure like all new vehicle releases. The first year is the one to avoid. Manufacturers need time to work out unforeseen real world issues.
@@slamminpotatoes4508I got cruise on my Colorado Trail Boss but don’t even want leather anyways, if it had leather I would still put seat covers on it!
The Tacoma front differential has been trash for a while. I hit the 5-year mark on my powertrain and as soon as I did we started feeling a vibration and hearing noises from the front diff. Dealer (Roseville,CA) saw the vehicle 3-4 times and refused to address the issue w/o a full failure. Said it was cupped tires. Tires only had 3k miles on them. Sure as shit, needle bearing was trashed. But we had to fix it on our own.
Easy to be light hearted about a $50k truck breaking at 3k miles when you are an influencer with a lawyer for a sponsor. Anyone else would be a bit more nervous about the situation. Are repair parts even available at this point?
It’s honestly not a great looking truck, last years looks way much better than this one tbh, I have a trd sport and idk I see it and it’s looks so attractive 😮💨
Happily holding onto my LX 450 gold. Got it for $6500 12 years ago. Now it’s over 260,000 miles. Still runs as good as new. Guess I’ll pass on the “new and improved” Toyotas
33:03 even if they do watch it. You guys are absolutely right. There’s basically no load on the drivetrain in the slippery of terrain. There’s no way anything should have broken in that situation.
Even so. ATRAC shouldn’t break axles. It’s got to be a defective part. I could see ATRAC break an axle in Moab while bouncing at 75% throttle. Not icy conditions. Otherwise every Canadian Tacoma driver should really watch out.
I appreciate that you guys are not trying to cover this up. Toyota better be crapping their pants over this with the following you guys got. And it is absolutely not an excuse to say this is an early truck. I’ve watched your channel off and on quite a bit but after watching this episode, you guys are the real deal.
Was going to say the exact same. So how many into production is it safe to buy? Wait a year? Too bad to those who bought it the first year? The Colorado stop ship ended quickly with a software update but this far into production also disappointing to see.
Correct, this isn’t truck # 3xx, this is Tacoma # xmillion. Unfortunately when they added all this software driven BS they forgot to give the truck a different name. If you want to call it a Tacoma, then give it two sticks on the floor and get rid of all the BS that gets in the way of analog wheelin. Many of us would love to have the trucks produced for third world countries. Why is that? Simplicity.
No they aren't. The last gen Tacomas had all sorts of issues. It was consistently rated the least reliable Toyota model until the last couple model years, and yet people still bought them because they thought all Toyotas were reliable. The new Tundra is one of the least reliable models in the segment and people still buy them because they think they are reliable. Their reputation is going to carry them for a while, but they better get it together because their new products are garbage and people will eventually catch on.
@@dcl97 Fact. I drove my friend’s 3rd Gen Taco with less miles than my 5th Gen 4R. That thing was rattly, junky build, and transmission was shifting weird.
@@TexasVexesI have over 100 thousand miles on mile and still as reliable as it was when new! And affordable! If you keep the maintenance on any vehicle, it will last you a very long time!
@@anibalbabilonia1867 Yeah that's true. People cry Land Rovers are unreliable. But I see the same people driving new and old range Rovers all over my city 🏙️. So I ask myself. If land Rovers are unreliable then why is it that you guys continue to buy them? If land Rovers are really that unreliable. Then why do I see 2003, range Rovers still running on these roads?
It won't be theend for the Tacoma. It's the first year of a new version of the truck. Remember that the 3g Taco had it's issues in the first 2 years of production - and most of those issues were hammered out (the gear hunting issue still exists). Give it a little time, the 4g will be as reliable.
@@joelopez5018exactly. I never buy a car until it has been in production for at least a year. Building a car in the numbers involved in testing and development is entirely different than full production with new and retooled facilities
True, but these issues are more fundamental than just manufacturing glitches. The 4th gen is a completely different vehicle and designed with very different priorities: reliability, durability, longevity, simplicity...not a single one of these was a primary concern. Instead, they only prioritized: make it look cool, more leg room, and reduce emissions as much as humanely possible so the US gov will allow us to stay in business. @@joelopez5018
Boy… after Chevy’s software glitches and the Tacos break I’m feeling pretty good about my decision to go with the Frontier Pro-4X! Two years of on and off-road driving and 35,000 miles later and no issues at all.
Apparently the new ones are holding up well too. Probably due to the remaining V6 high output. That baby can tow like 6.8k pounds! They also keep the trims simple. I hate how Chevy has so many damn variations. Toyota is getting there too now a days.
I got a 2015 v6 4x4 6 speed manual the thing is apsolutely bulletproof. I even tow my camper with it… I’ve always changed the oil since new with full synthetic at 3.5k or 3k burns NO oil, it’s got a catch can to protect the catalytic converters
Drama sells especially with a new Toyota. Pretty talented that he understood the scenario and didn't miss the opportunity to get a quick one out on social media. Brings focus on the main video when it releases.
Go to a concert nowadays. Almost nobody realy listens to the music and enjoys it. Most film it with their phones to show everybody on social media where they are right now.
While I never like TFL to suffer, I do highly appreciate the honest and real exposure of what goes on with all the testing/driving of anything, new or used. Been with you for more years than I can count. When you have issues like this or anything, as Nathan said, it makes it more interesting. One expects a Toyota product under such light duty work to have 0 issues. But this is a whole NEW design and as you said, 1st production run product. Thus, it not only is possible, but has shown it is not bulletproof out of the gate. You had a Brand NEW Jeep Wrangler 2.0 that had a 4WD issue too as I recall. Amongst other vehicles new and used. So, of course, looking forward to the verdict on what happened here. Good luck!
I made a comment some videos back on how nobody truly tests whether the Tacoma is even reliable or capable at all. I thought it would take at least a little more than 31 inch tires and a bit of snow to have a catastrophe...
They don't have to because all the toyota boys live in an echo chamber. Why is it the best? Because we say it is. Over and over. It's like a cult. And they will attack anyone who says otherwise.
@@AnabolicRick915 as a Toyota fan this is disappointing and nothing short of unacceptable. This is just the turbo, what's going to happen with the significantly more powerful hybrid. One thing is forsure, whether your a Toyota guy, Jeep, Rover... whatever your brand, older is better.
Frontiers are so awesome and reliable, it’s hard to believe it’s made by the same company that makes the Altima. I’ve got an 04 Xterra that’s in amazing shape.
@@miniaddict4534 Nissan builds their mid size trucks right. I had a an '03 Nissan Frontier that was still running strong when I sold it with 379k miles on it with little to no major problems with regular scheduled maintenance.
In my 2016 Tacoma I had it in 4L craw control. Switch back to 4H and heard a bang and could not take it out of 4H. Took it to the dealer and they found the transfer case actuator shorted and had to replace actuator in transfer case. The 2024 Tacoma seems to still have the same issue.
18:49 Be safe guys. You should be equipped to self recover safely. I was cringing as he hooked the tow strap to the chain hangers of the Chevy hitch. You are professional car guys going offroading in potentially remote places, and not one of you have a hitch mounted recovery point for the rear? You could rip those chain hangers off or at least bend them. Or worst case break them and have a flying strap. Also I question the Tacoma front recovery point. As I understand, my 2019 has a hook on the passenger side (for recovery) and that loop on the driver side (only to tie down trailering). I don’t know if the driver side loop he tied to is for recovery. Also, did you both try that fully aired up at highway pressures? Dropping your tire pressures would have given you significantly more traction, as is typically done offroading. I figured you guys had a fully equipped support vehicle following you with straps, hitch connections, a winch, and recovery experience. You should get a friend like that to join you. I’ve enjoyed your review videos and hope you guys learn to be prepared and keep safe. I hope the Taco is OK. Can’t wait for the follow-up diagnosis.
My 85,86 4runner, 96 tacoma was indestructible, nowadays even people don't know what gender they are so i dont blame if toyota forgot how to make a reliable truck.
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this is why i like watching your channel. you guys test the vehicle on how an average consumer will when they purchase them. i like it how you guys even showed the recovery. three thumbs up!
6th Gen 4Runner will be the same thing as this 2024 Turd Tacoma. Made cheaper, weaker, but more expensive. Your 5th Gen will be desired more and more. Keep it!
My 24 Tundra Pro has a little over 3k miles too but bought in Oct 2023, at least made it 5 months injury free so far! Had a 2019 SR5 Premium 4Runner, it was bullet proof but wanted back into a Tundra as I missed the open bed.
@@jakemanchester5139 It’s really irrelevant… a bad engine is a ‘bad’ engine and Toyota KNOWS better… Their QC is steadily going down, that why I sold mine in time!
I'll take the broken TACO over the running Colorado anyway. GM recalls, cameras that apply brakes > nope. Blueberry is better than yellow on any truck.These guys are so impressed with the touch screen and button pushing. All that crap will break over time.The broken part appears to be possibly due to the ice, frozen ground, approach angles and obstacles as well as driver errors. The dealer will fix it. BTW, my stock old Honda 4WD or my RWD > 1970 Chevy C10 or our 4WD Nissan pickup would get up that little incline.
Snapped a CV. Thats happens spinning wheels on IFS setups. That did snap really easy. No drive on the other front wheel because of the open front differential. The snapped side just spins, no power goes to the unbroken side. I've changed lots of CVS on the side side of trails that look just like that!
@@John_Redcorn_ that's how open diffs work. The wheel with the least resistance spins. The broken CV is the least resistance no power will go to the unbroken side.
@@drill_fiend1097 that's hard to say there's no doubt it snapped easier than it should have. You don't want to spin your wheels when they are not getting traction but it didn't seem like he was on the gas too hard. Maybe the traction control system was braking the side that snapped. Whatever it was that was that caused it to snap, that is the easiest I've seen a CV break for sure. I would hesitate to condemn the CV build just yet because it could be the way the traction control is setup on a new to market rig.
The reason TFL is the best is that they are 100% honest. If its bad news about Toyotas or Land Rovers or good news about 90's Nissan Hardbody's I know who to trust.
That could be done in 2wd with some power and momentum. Instead they spun both trucks flexed out on a 3 foot tall rock covered in some snow. Bad on the Taco. Absolutely horrendous driving.
@@nevadarandall7184 They were so distracted spitting into their walkie talkies they couldn't multi task??? That's some senile driving they're showing off. Painful to watch. WTH???
Yeah, I don't think you guys did anything wrong. You weren't being hard on your equipment, if anything, you guys are always very cautious with the safety of your equipment as well as your participants. Please keep us posted!
Can't believe that they didn't think to look at the CV shafts right away. That would have been the first place I would have looked after hearing a sound like that.
I agree totally a CV and anyone who wheels IFS should know that. I lost some respect with this episode these guys talk about trucks for a living and they don't fully understand how IFS setups and open diffs work.
Came here looking for this comment. Anyone that has been off road for 3 seconds knows that was an axle shaft. Personally I’m impressed that the TCS actually engaged the brake on the spinning side enough to snap the shaft on the traction side. Dont put lockers in these on stock shafts 😂
Just hope your instrument cluster continues to turn on in your Colorado and doesn't put itself in limp mode or drain the battery when it tries to run an OTA update. 😅
@@ryanb8736the Tacoma has to follow all government regulations just like any other brand. This truck isn’t built in Japan and shipped over here like many European cars
Regardless of whether or not it broke because Roman didn't engage one mode before the other, it shouldn't be that easy to break it. I don't want a vehicle that will cost me huge if I get confused and push the wrong button.
I don't see a "switchology" error. The software won't let you engage things incorrectly. He over stressed a part by spinning the wheels like he did. When one of them finally grabbed traction, that instant stoppage broke something. Still shouldn't have broke but I'll put money on all the spinning.
@@Dusdaddyalso, if he had stayed on the gas to begin with he would have made it up and most likely not broke anything...but stuff breaks when you wheel, especially in the snow.
And this is why half of us toyota guys were skeptical about the new tacomas. Seemed to emphasis tech and looks, which will take focus away from quality
I saw the engineer from Toyota going on and on about how great the new motors are. That these turbocharged tiny displacement engines with high horsepower and torque are going to be just fine. I did not believe a word out of his mouth.
You are a smart person. All these people making excuses for poor quality and praising the 4 cylinder turbo engines are shills and probably paid by Toyota. Trusting a chief engineer at Toyota telling you it’s better than the V6….lol….makes me laugh how dumb people are.
Have you not been around? Toyota has been building turbo engines since the 1986 Pickup with the 22RTE. Legendary reliability. The old MR2 and supra engines would go 200k+ without anything more than maintenance. Toyota knows how to make them last. Just follow the maintenance schedule and put premium oil on it. Historically the V6s were the ones with problems. Even the recent generation had problems.
That old joke about using a Jeep/Ford/Chevy to get you in and a Toyota to get you out might need revisiting. Great episode guys - thanks for always staying impartial.
I had a 67 International Scout with a 196 four cylinder that would climb telephone poles. It had All Wheel drive (positraction in the rear, straight axle - no planetaries - in the front). I once crossed this river in the middle of nowhere in Northern Baja in winter that had about 6" of water (at the start) in it and was over 100' wide. It looked flat. The road I was on (dirt) continued on the other side so I figured it was safe to cross. I put it in 4 wheel low, locked the lockers (kids don't even know what those are these days) and proceded to idle across. As I was approaching the other side I noticed the river getting deeper and the 2" lip on the other side was actually 18" to 2' deeper under water. I had no choice but to keep going because if I stopped my car would have been buried in the sand as the river dug out underneath it. I just went straight for that bank, gave it some gas as I hit it straight with my bumber. The thing just plowed through the bank, popped straight up and crawled right out. Never want to do that again! I heard farmers used those things in their fields to rake hay, pull heavy loads, etc. When I rebuilt the engine the mounting bolts to the clutch housing were 3/4" (for reference, a Chevy pickup back then might have 3/8" mounting bolts). I think it's safe to say they don't build vehicles like that anymore.
New Toyotas are a gamble. My 2022 Camry had a mapp sensor failure at highway speed. Downshifted so here we almost left the highway. Faulkner Toyota said it was a rodent chew on the wires. No evidence of wires being chewed on. I suspect the only rodent under the hood was their technician. Excellent way to hide their failures. Charged me for there repair.
Just had my 2012 150k mile xterra pro4x in similar conditions while outside the Alabama Hills near Mt Whitney. Loaded with wife, dog and camping gear. Dug out the snow and ice in 4lo. Then drove home 5 hours back to San Diego. Ready for the next adventure 👍
Ive owned and abused them all. Hands down Chevy and GMC's sucked the most by a mile. They are the ONLY brands of vehicles that have left me stranded on the side of the road repeatedly. I had two Xetrra's that were bullet proof. Rugular maintenance and one rear axle seal in 280,000 miles between the two. Bought them both new. We've had five Toyota's in the last 16 years and NONE of them have been perfect, but nothing has sucked near as bad as a GM product.
Quality control on the new Frontiers is a joke. Plus, the seats are designed for small Asian men, the electronics are problematic, and they still can't get the shift software to work. Nissan is garbage.
Took delivery of my 2024 tacoma trd sport 6 speed manual truck is sitting at the dealer with 2 ,500 miles needing a new transmission which lost 2nd 4th & 6th gear transmission is on a 3 month back order not happy
@@thatoneotherotherguy Honestly, that is more of a selling point for me if it is easier on the wallet, easier to maintain (NA V6 Baybeeeeeee!), more widely available and still retains the reliability of the last gen. I want a midsize truck that acts like a midsize truck, not a midsize truck that acts like a turbo 4 banger sedan on icy uneven surfaces.
@@HotSneks whatever floats your boat. I'm sure the new Tacoma will continue to prove more reliable than the ancient Frontier platform (2005) that got a new body, newer V6 and a pretty questionable 9-speed automatic transmission. Best of luck with the Nissan's reliability and depreciation if you go that route. I've got a V6 better than the old Tacoma or Nissan V6's, the Toyota 4.0L in my '23 4Runner, and I'd rather have the new Toyota 4cyl, as it makes way more torque way lower than any of these N/A 6cyls, and guzzles a lot less fuel doing so.
@@thatoneotherotherguy So because you(and a bunch of other people here) seem to put your faith in a brand for some weird arbitrary reason, here's some common sense for you. As a general rule of thumb, any car or truck that uses forced induction by either exhaust gasses (turbo) or belt driven (supercharger) is going to run hotter. Heat will always play a role in an engine life cycle. Engineers have constantly improved on this but the fact of the matter is, anything that uses forced induction is just going to have a shorter lifespan because of heat. You can not increase the load of an engine and expect it to last as long especially when it's doing things like towing or even harder wheeling. It boils down to physics, "the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long." Take the new V6 Turbo in the Tundra for example and look at how many people have reported their truck grenading before 40k miles. What do you think is going to happen to the new turbocharged I-4s in the Tacomas? Funny how Tacomas (previous gen mind you) and Tundras have both gotten recalls the past week, right? Then then this happens on one of the more popular truck enthusiast channels and people like you seem to deny it. 🤷♀
I've been driving Frontiers since 2008. First a 2000 4x4 and now my 2009 SV 4x4. They've never let me down on off-road trails. I say let the toyota fans keep overpaying for their trucks. My only complaint about the Nissan being less popular is the smaller amount of aftermarket upgrades available.
I bought me a Silverado Trail Boss 2023 almost bought the Colorado ZR2. Either way I'm happy with my new truck I've got 4300 miles on it now. Love TFL truck your reviews are real time .
There’s no worse vehicle to have in the ice than a rear wheel drive pickup truck. A geo metro would have been better at that point. Not a great feeling having the worst tool for the job.
I don't care what anybody says in regards to 4wheel drive, the old manual & turning those hubs were full proof, it worked 100 over 100 compare to this one, more things can go wrong. Bring back the old fashion one, people would buy it guarantee!!!
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It looks like Toyota took a cut in parts quality to pay for advanced tech in the cab. I hope this a one off, considering the hell Top Gear got their Hilux through !
I HATE when someone says "Well, it's the 1st year its to be expected". This is a $45k - $50K truck that is meant for off-roading. Those conditions were no where near abuse. If everyone waited a year or more to buy the 1st redesign of anything then the manufacturers would lose their butts. These should be tested and tested again before any consumer gets their hands on it.
You the consumer are the $50k beta sucker. Just ask Bro Ro.
@@southsidetom Not me. I have a $25k Corolla. Lol
The truck is labled for Off-Roading, not built for Off-Roading.
@@mnwrench6835So the lable is just a lable? We stuck that sticker on the truck for looks, we really don't mean for you to take it off-road? lol
The 1st gen Raptors were toughted by Ford as a great Baja type truck. What started to happen on those trucks? The frame started to bend. I've even read a story about a Jeep Wrangler (maybe even a Gladiator but cant exactly remember) that drove his Jeep through a muddy puddle at a not so fast speed but enough to throw water/mud onto the hood. It lost power due to the alternator getting too much water/mud on it. Jeep DENIED his warranty claim as they claimed it was due to abuse!
Tundra's have had, and still do, issues with going from 2HI to 4HI or 4LO not fully engaging. The 4HI/4LO flash nonstop on the cluster and you have to let the truck sit for minutes to literally over night before it finally disenages the partial 2HI to 4HI or 4LO transition. Toyota does nothing about it, even when a customer brings it in.
The Tacoma's were a solid performer up until it and it shows. They put in these little turbo 4 bangers (turbo for off roading, ok...) and redesigned the 4wd for it. So good luck to all the 1st generation owners of the new 2024 Tacoma's and these future issues you have from barely off roading them.
That snap was the most beautiful sound ever. It was the sound of my 2021 going up in value.
😂😂😂
your 2021 tacoma is being recalled for axles falling apart 300k to 500k trucks
@@RN-fx3zl that’s the comment of a jealous hater. Hey, I’m just joking around. I’ll probably upgrade in a year or two. Isn’t going to sway me. This is why you don’t buy first year. And I looked it up. It’s only 22-23s. I’d love to get a brand new axle. Oh well
HAHAHAHAHA!
I just bought my 2021 Tacoma…resale went up
Something tells me this is the stuff we wouldn’t have seen on Expedition Overlands channel. Thanks for staying independent TFL.
I want to like E.O. but I agree they are so biased its hard to see them as anything other than aToyota commercial
Expedition Overland- taking basic shit and making it seem epic.
They are biased as he'll 😂.
The amount of people saying “TFL is so jealous” etc on that first manicured offroad course was truly astounding 😂
@@dadventuretv2538 Well damn man you've driven from bottom for south American to the Arctic circle?! How was your trip in Africa? And did you enjoy driving through the Nordic countries?
Hats off for not hiding this and telling the truth
Why would they hide this? It's a RUclipsr's dream scenario.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Toyota fans often sugarcoat or hide issues. A Prius owner told me his never needed repair. The head gasket blowing was "routine maintenance". 😂
This video will probably get wiped.
@@docmadhattan probably not if it gets a ton of views. Money talks.
There are so many issues , it is impossible to hide. My favorite truck turned pretty sardine can. 😐
I’m glad TFL does testing like this. That wasn’t abusive testing at all, just normal off road stuff.
But how many people actually off-road in the icy mountains
@@Moose-wj8sc Every single hunter and fisherman above the 40th parallel in North America.
@@scotto9712Exactly
@@Moose-wj8sc There are tons of guys up in the mountains by me, right now, logging in the snow and ice.
@@scotto9712 And Loggers, forestry guys, Law enforcement, Oil and gas guys, utilities, ect.
To break the transfer case practically on ice with low traction is alarming. They weren’t abusing or pushing this thing at all.
Its their garbage fake limited slip diff wheel braking while on power to hold the wheel from spinning. was ok when tacoma was low torque but the new turbo 4cyl add heaps of low end torque. The scary thing is Toyota won't redesign this until it strands tens of thousands of people enough to make a recall
That trail isn't even that bad and for the toyota to just broke down just means that the parts weren't built for it.
I’ll tell you exactly what broke this truck. It’s a phenomenon well known in the turbo industry. It’s called dynamic loading. In short the turbo at consistent low RPMs generates a ton of torque. It overloaded the gear train somewhere in the front end and something broke. Based on the behavior I think they ripped out the front ring gear or ripped several teeth off of it by overloading it. The transfer case was still in 4wd but chances are the shaft was just spinning on either a stripped ring or pinion gear. Most transfer cases are chain driven or gear driven with very sturdy gears. Usually it’s the ring and pinion up front that give way.. it’s possible this was a defective part
@@matthewcaughey8898I am not disagreeing with you at all, BUT, I can show you thousands of Honda civic putting out 700-1400 hp on factory transmission. Also look at all the diesel trucks with heavy mods and they are not snapping like this. For a Toyota I am shocked.
@@blocktrain849a Colorado on an ice trail will😂
These guys just convinced most if not all old tacoma and old tundra owners to keep their trucks.
Yep. Hopefully this was just a manufacturing defect... If not, I'll never get rid of my 16 manual transmission
Absolutely keeping my 2005 tundra haha
I've been drooling over these new tacomas lately. I think I'll stick to my trusty 07' with the 3.5" lift, though 170k miles be damned!
I’m keeping my 2020 until they get rid of the electric and go back to a v6
I’m keeping my trd 2021 Tacoma until the new tacomas are flawless again 😂
I’m 71 and have been driving in snow and 4wheeling since I was 17. First thing l learned DON’T use low range in the snow, use the highest gear it will pull itself, less tire spin!
Nailed it
My cars were all rear wheel drive until I bought a 2004 Toyota Corolla. With good winter tires nothing has stopped me.
Won’t there be more wheel spin if your in higher gears??
Can't use lockers in high on the new Tacoma. Sucks!
You must be joking....I'm 98 and know that low gears and low tire pressure are the answer to DEEP snow.....maybe on pavement your way is better.
Respect to tfl. They put their own money down to test things properly and don’t hide the results . Hope Andre is okay!
Who cares?
My 2000 Tundra could make it up that and it's a 2WD
"Their money".....money from RUclips from people watching their videos.
@@Jeff-sp7bgGood for u
Well…. That’s how economics work….in this case you put the hard work in and people watch the videos. You tube in turn gives you a portion of their advertising revenue…
Overbuilding vehicles is history. Underbuilding and overselling is what is happening everywhere.
I hope we're not entered into what GM tried in the 80's. Cash in on your previous reliable reputation and start making garbage to increase profits. They'll make billions before people figure it out, but you'll never get your reputation back. GM is still paying for that decision.
Agreed. Why i have a 2012 4runner (basically early 2000’s truck) and an 01 Camry (imo best Camry ever built) to last me essentially forever.
GM and Ford have actually been getting better recently. Toyota is really the only manufacturer moving backwards.
Yeah it irritates me, they started making tacos in Mexico, and look what happened.
@@cstgx yeah , they are pushing hard on the obsolete hybrid tech and are stuck in the 90s
Everyone’s gen 3 Tacoma just went up in value 20%
Nah them shits have failures too
The IFS in gen 3 toyotas is weak too
@@scotto9712 haven’t broke any yet off-roading. Gen 3 ain’t going up since they are under power and ofc most people don’t off-road
@@joser7894oil starvation too
Probably just because that anemic 3.5L V6 cant break anything below 4000 rpm.
Trucks that actually have some power and torque, like the GX470, GX460 and V8 4runner dont have much issue breaking CV's and rear axles
This is the greatest ad chevy could of ever asked for
Their truck is at “stop sale” so they can’t really use this against Toyota
@Blackhawk556. well my point t is, the chity chevy made it up
And the toyyoda blew a diff...
Yeah in Canada a ZR2 Costs less than a TRD odd road, I was already thinking the ZR2 seemed like a great deal and now it seems even better.
@@GregorBlacksmith yeaa, I wished they would bring back the Dakota but make it look like the 1952 model year dodge truck with the split windows
@@Blackhawk556.That "stop sale" order is due to "software "not "hardware." Looks like toyota needs a stop sale order for hardware LOL be honest with yourself, toyota reliability is a thing of the past since they are forced to modernize their engines and transmissions instead of using the same ones from 20 years ago.
You know what's better than a new pickup off road? An old pickup without payments off road.
This^ go buy a cheap old Toyota jeep ect whatever you prefer and have fun. Don’t have to worry about scratches dents or even making back home with it lol
I have been doing stuff like this, and worse, in my 2010 tacoma for almost 10 years. Never once did i ever feel i was going to break something, and its been 100% reliable. They werent even doing anything to abuse the truck. Spinning the tires on snow? I do that to mine just to exercise the 4wd😂. What a pos this thing is, and sadly has soiled the tacoma name
Any aged pickup without buttons controlling the drivetrain.
Every old pickup used to be a new pickup. If no one buys these new, there won't be any used pickups to buy in 10 years.
@@Jimmhout correct. My 3rd Gen 4runner limited was dirt cheap 5 years ago, everything underneath works including the rear locker and I've had tons of fun in northern AZ with it. One day I'll get it painted and redo the interior, but that's all cosmetic.
Snapped axle shaft? This wasn’t abuse and it’s on small stock tires… what happens when you put 33s? Very sad.
Yep, the lowest friction surface possible and POP. Not good.
funny cuz they said in the first snow for this truck a few videos ago everything was over built including the drive shaft. i guess not
Much rather a Defender!
@@jimmyh6601 for reliability right ?
@@oliverramclam6009 compared to this Toyota yes!
It is honestly scary to see how easy that truck broke!
Seems like the new Toyota is a pavement princess now!!
All the cars, they are pieces of shit@@robqwertyuipp8750
toyota is not what they used to be
I have a fj cruiser, ive broken 3 cv axles, they are pretty weak, and thats whats happened to the taco probably.
@@gustavoanuch890
They weren't even wheeling that thing hard for it to break so quick !
Was that the first time out?
Your local Toyota dealer: "I know its 60k and no heated seats, but you're buying reliability and offroad durability"
Right? Except you're not getting that either. You're basically paying for a badge and a reputation from 30yrs ago.
@@palebeachbum 100%. honda and toyota both built amazing reputations in the 90s to early '00s and theyve been coasting downhill ever since unfortunately.
Look under the hood, and seeing all the hoses, wires and tubes running up over and around and thru....even a city dweller can tell you that these are high maintenance monsters....freeway cruisers and money guzzlers. Want reliability...go fix up and completely rebuild a 1999 unit and put the money NOT spent rebuilding in the bank.
@@saleplainsThis is when it's proudly made in USA slowly put their genes into it.
It shows as in this reality show.
That’s a lot of money to drive to the store.
"We're working as beta testers for the Tacoma"
Consumers should not be the beta testers for auto manufacturers
I wouldn’t call them consumers either. They are enthusiasts. They bought it to test it.
Capitalism baby!
That is the definition of Beta testing. Consumers testing a new product.
@@str775 not exactly, general consumers are not beta testers. Enthusiasts are beta testers. Except maybe a public beta like FSD Beta is a beta and people complain that it’s not ready. Come on it’s a beta for a reason.
@@Defianthuman Beta is usually for a product not yet available for the public. This garbage is already in the showrooms, meaning it's supposed to be fully "tested" and ready to go.
Andre's gonna be calling O’Sullivan Law Firm over that on the job slip and fall 😆
LOL this should be top comment 😂
He should have worn boots. Offroading in snow and not being prepared with the proper gear is beyond me. For a truck guy, he gives mall crawler vibes after describing his "discomfort" with things.
That was a pretty nasty fall, looked like it was right on rock
I thought the kid walking around on the ice w/ his hands in his pockets would be next 😬
This absolutely needs to be the top comment!!! Nice!
I’m still with the fact that if you’re paying that much for a truck it should not have broken under the circumstance.
Don’t thrash it around on the trails and all that and it’ll be fine
That's not thrashing at all.
Agreed this was by far not thrashing. I have put my truck through far worse and still drove it home with functioning parts.
my 30 year old toyota would never break like this on a trail@@slapshotjack9806
This is an OFF ROAD a TRD OFF ROAD and they took it OFF ROAD and it FAILED
Matt's off road recovery is going to love rescuing these new Tacos. $$$$$$
Driveline Engineer here. The conditions when the failure occurred were modest. Very low mu surface, limited alternating mu conditions, no wheel hop, limited wheel spin, lightly loaded, relatively flat ground, stock setup, limited to no steering angle, limited cyclic damage due to new-ish hardware.
A failure under these conditions is abnormal. My assumption is the majority of the damage was done at an earlier point and this is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Making it a fatigue failure. However, I feel like we’ve seen the majority of the obstacles this truck has experienced and nothing has been unreasonable so far. I must wonder if it is a Quality issue.
Please let us know what you find!
The truck just came out and it’s already fatigued? Shame how far Toyota has fallen. Guess them moving manufacturing to Mexico didn’t help. 50k truck fail
Not relatively flat ground though.
@@angelgjr1999Tacomas have been made in Baja since 2004. You’re waaay behind. 😆
please yes
Most likely qualify control.
No cruise control on the Chevy is absolutely insane in today’s day and age.
Even the cheapest cars you can buy today have cruise, typical GM cost cutting 🤣🤣🤣
@@AndyFox22 the chevy didnt blow its transfer case under low load though, so id say chevy came out on top. While i will agree GM cost cuts in certain areas, I have a 2018 Silverado LTZ Z71 and it is perfect, has no issues.
Chevy is a piece of shit
Yeah I would definitely look at an older one I don't like the sound of the new motor either it's noisy .
My 2011 nissan navara/frontier does have it and it's not even a fully optioned version lol
This is the testing we are grateful for! Never thought I’d see Toyota break down in a practical situation like this…
Once in a while. As soon as yota see this issue theyll fix it.
@vikashummer net? Nah they've garbage recently.
Why? I've seen plenty Toyotas left at the side of the road . Man made mechanical things offer break.
@albion2742 Sure bud! It is a rare day that you see a Tacoma broke down on the side of the road. I've seen Tacoma's do RIDICULOUS things and keep going. I just read an article about a 1.6 million mile 2008 Tacoma. In nearly 30 years of Tacomas, this is the first time I've ever heard of one breaking nearly instantly. This is Toyotas equivalent of Harley's AMF erra. Vehicles that break often and when they do its a fortune to fix. BMW powered Supra, Subaru powered GR86, piss poor turbo charged trucks that are incredibly difficult to work on and a fortune to repair. It's $32k to replace the new Tundra engine and you can't just do it in your back yard.
I have a 2012 Toyota Tacoma and it seems to be much stronger then the new one
Felt a bit regret buying my 23 trd off road in March of 2023 just after seeing the new ads of the 24 tacoma but after watching this I am so relieved my money was spent on something that’s been proven reliable. Thanks for the video
And that’s how the 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD PreRunner was invented. 😃
LOL
🤣
What a great commercial for Chevy Trail Boss.🤣
As a die hard Toyota guy, I hate to agree with you. But there's no reason that cv should have snapped there. I'm really hoping toyotas quality doesn't fall too far. I gotta say, that Colorado is a sharp truck
@@philiptaylor2567 I actually really like the 2024 Toyota Tacoma. I saw one on display at the last auto show I went to. The great thing for me anyways is Toyota fixed the seating position. Driver knee bend to the brake and throttle are more comfortable. The technology also really impresses. I am sure like all new vehicle releases. The first year is the one to avoid. Manufacturers need time to work out unforeseen real world issues.
leather seats no cruse control??
@@slamminpotatoes4508I got cruise on my Colorado Trail Boss but don’t even want leather anyways, if it had leather I would still put seat covers on it!
@@slamminpotatoes4508 the vehicle I sat in had adaptive cruise control.
i love how the Tacoma broke and then 2 seconds later a Toyota add appears and says " imagine yourself in a new Toyota !"
In my worst nightmare.
😂🤔😭
Add is short for addition. Ad is short for advertisement.
congrats you support Ukraine and you correct grammatical errors, you surely are a genius @@OMGWTFLOLSMH
I got an ad for GMC lol
The Tacoma front differential has been trash for a while. I hit the 5-year mark on my powertrain and as soon as I did we started feeling a vibration and hearing noises from the front diff. Dealer (Roseville,CA) saw the vehicle 3-4 times and refused to address the issue w/o a full failure. Said it was cupped tires. Tires only had 3k miles on them. Sure as shit, needle bearing was trashed. But we had to fix it on our own.
Glad everyone made it back safe. Looks like Blueberry just earned itself a last name.... Blueberry LEMONade.
Easy to be light hearted about a $50k truck breaking at 3k miles when you are an influencer with a lawyer for a sponsor. Anyone else would be a bit more nervous about the situation. Are repair parts even available at this point?
🤣
there better be a recall for this@@spyder000069
@@spyder000069well it's better they break their Tacoma instead of those without the financial means to potentially handle this.
grow up!
*Loud POP*
This video is about to make TFLoffroad's entire career.
I've been healed from the itch to go buy one! Thanks for the video!
Look for a 2nd gen👍 Last years with an actual truck drivetrain
It’s honestly not a great looking truck, last years looks way much better than this one tbh, I have a trd sport and idk I see it and it’s looks so attractive 😮💨
Happily holding onto my LX 450 gold. Got it for $6500 12 years ago. Now it’s over 260,000 miles. Still runs as good as new. Guess I’ll pass on the “new and improved” Toyotas
Edit. 1997
@@bufordardwhat year and power train would you suggest to buy sir
They don't make Toyotas like they used to. These days Toyota is just going on their past reputation.
They still do. The ugly cousin hilux is pretty much a beast still. This truck with make up(tacoma) kits tho is trash
33:03 even if they do watch it. You guys are absolutely right. There’s basically no load on the drivetrain in the slippery of terrain. There’s no way anything should have broken in that situation.
ATRAC puts load on the drivetrain due to the braking of the spinning wheels.
@@thelandcruiserprojectno atrac on auto Tacoma’s only manual
@@mikem273lol. Um.. You might be totally wrong about that one
Even so. ATRAC shouldn’t break axles. It’s got to be a defective part. I could see ATRAC break an axle in Moab while bouncing at 75% throttle. Not icy conditions. Otherwise every Canadian Tacoma driver should really watch out.
@@thelandcruiserproject my question was ATRAC disengaged and could have led to the able breaking?
I appreciate that you guys are not trying to cover this up. Toyota better be crapping their pants over this with the following you guys got. And it is absolutely not an excuse to say this is an early truck. I’ve watched your channel off and on quite a bit but after watching this episode, you guys are the real deal.
Was going to say the exact same. So how many into production is it safe to buy? Wait a year? Too bad to those who bought it the first year? The Colorado stop ship ended quickly with a software update but this far into production also disappointing to see.
@@stephenzerfas5307
I always wait a year at least
Correct, this isn’t truck # 3xx, this is Tacoma # xmillion. Unfortunately when they added all this software driven BS they forgot to give the truck a different name. If you want to call it a Tacoma, then give it two sticks on the floor and get rid of all the BS that gets in the way of analog wheelin. Many of us would love to have the trucks produced for third world countries. Why is that? Simplicity.
No they aren't. The last gen Tacomas had all sorts of issues. It was consistently rated the least reliable Toyota model until the last couple model years, and yet people still bought them because they thought all Toyotas were reliable. The new Tundra is one of the least reliable models in the segment and people still buy them because they think they are reliable. Their reputation is going to carry them for a while, but they better get it together because their new products are garbage and people will eventually catch on.
@@dcl97 Fact. I drove my friend’s 3rd Gen Taco with less miles than my 5th Gen 4R. That thing was rattly, junky build, and transmission was shifting weird.
TFL is the best ! Real world no BS testing with honest results !
Toyota quality has drastically decreased. They still haven’t addressed why the new sequoias and tundras vibrate so much. Smdh
Crazy to see German cars becoming more reliable recently… Especially BMW and Audi/VW and Honda and Toyota falling of the deep end
@@dneptune3I’ve been noticing the trend.
@@dneptune3BMW has a similar reliability rating to Honda now after a huge decline in reliability between the late 90s to 2018
Jeep dudes gonna have a field day with this one
As they should.
Jeeps are superior off roaders, no doubt. But have fun maintaining one past 100k miles.
Roman at 0:38 thought it was a Toyota so it won't break lol lol.😂😂
@@TexasVexesI have over 100 thousand miles on mile and still as reliable as it was when new! And affordable! If you keep the maintenance on any vehicle, it will last you a very long time!
@@anibalbabilonia1867 Yeah that's true. People cry Land Rovers are unreliable. But I see the same people driving new and old range Rovers all over my city 🏙️. So I ask myself. If land Rovers are unreliable then why is it that you guys continue to buy them? If land Rovers are really that unreliable. Then why do I see 2003, range Rovers still running on these roads?
Andre should’ve said “Good thing the Tacoma has cruise control to help it get off the mountain”
🎙️ 😂
The Toyota tax and resale value will surely help.
Why is Roman wearing his pants like that? Does he think he's in prison or something? WTF
Exactly what I was thinking 😂
End of an era. RIP Tacoma, first 3 generations were awesome at least.
It won't be theend for the Tacoma. It's the first year of a new version of the truck. Remember that the 3g Taco had it's issues in the first 2 years of production - and most of those issues were hammered out (the gear hunting issue still exists). Give it a little time, the 4g will be as reliable.
Always avoid the first gen of a new model. This goes for even Tacomas.
@@joelopez5018exactly. I never buy a car until it has been in production for at least a year. Building a car in the numbers involved in testing and development is entirely different than full production with new and retooled facilities
True, but these issues are more fundamental than just manufacturing glitches. The 4th gen is a completely different vehicle and designed with very different priorities: reliability, durability, longevity, simplicity...not a single one of these was a primary concern. Instead, they only prioritized: make it look cool, more leg room, and reduce emissions as much as humanely possible so the US gov will allow us to stay in business.
@@joelopez5018
Unfortunately, it didn't have big problems like gen 4 Tacoma. Lol@@UltimatePostman
These guys never cease to amaze me. How have they been doing this so long and still have zero idea what they are doing/talking about?
They sure can read a brochure though.
omfg yes, how has no one else noticed.
Half a million views in 7 days. I’d say they know exactly what they’re doing. It’s all about the $. The content doesn’t have to make sense.
What exactly did they do thats so wrong
Just trolls and hater’s!
"Oh that wasn't good, I wonder what that was?" - That is the sound of Toyota's Quality, Durability & Reliability leaving the building...
Exactly and not uncommon
....and headed to the cantina in Mexico
Made In Mexico with care and quality !
It is a first year car/truck.. expect problems.. recalls and surprise... thats why I never buy a first year production car/truck.
@@mikem4432this is a sorry excuse in 2024
I think many people have been too quick to grant the new Tacoma the midsize truck crown.
In my option the Frontier has that so far, but only time will tell with all these new refreshes.
Tacoma or Frontier the truck king…no way! Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon will be truck king!
So far my 3rd gen Frontier has been a beast. Love it.
@@davewilson8308 the frontier is higher on my list this year with that NA engine
@@davewilson8308 👀🍿
Boy… after Chevy’s software glitches and the Tacos break I’m feeling pretty good about my decision to go with the Frontier Pro-4X! Two years of on and off-road driving and 35,000 miles later and no issues at all.
You are not wrong my friend.
Titan is the most reliable truck made since the tundra died in 2021.
I have a 22 Titan Pro4x too that's been issue free for 25k with plenty of off roading in the sierras.
Yeah but didn’t Nissan discontinue that truck for ‘24?
Same here!
this is why I'm keeping my 2019 Nissan frontier simple, Been the same for 20 years. Not a lot of electronics. Tough. Never breaks down
Apparently the new ones are holding up well too. Probably due to the remaining V6 high output. That baby can tow like 6.8k pounds! They also keep the trims simple. I hate how Chevy has so many damn variations. Toyota is getting there too now a days.
Contrary to the beliefs that all nissans have junk CVT transmissions, I heard that the 5 speed was actually very good in these.
I have a 2019 P4X Frontier and I adore the thing. Such a great truck.
I got a 2015 v6 4x4 6 speed manual the thing is apsolutely bulletproof. I even tow my camper with it… I’ve always changed the oil since new with full synthetic at 3.5k or 3k burns NO oil, it’s got a catch can to protect the catalytic converters
I find so much comedy in Alex’s shameless promo in the middle of Roman struggling 😂
Drama sells especially with a new Toyota. Pretty talented that he understood the scenario and didn't miss the opportunity to get a quick one out on social media. Brings focus on the main video when it releases.
A true PR move.
Funny times we live in😂 everyone is like TMZ reporters now
Go to a concert nowadays. Almost nobody realy listens to the music and enjoys it. Most film it with their phones to show everybody on social media where they are right now.
Alex "Tune in next week folks!"
Roman "someone tell me if I'm gonna hit a tree!"
While I never like TFL to suffer, I do highly appreciate the honest and real exposure of what goes on with all the testing/driving of anything, new or used. Been with you for more years than I can count. When you have issues like this or anything, as Nathan said, it makes it more interesting. One expects a Toyota product under such light duty work to have 0 issues. But this is a whole NEW design and as you said, 1st production run product. Thus, it not only is possible, but has shown it is not bulletproof out of the gate. You had a Brand NEW Jeep Wrangler 2.0 that had a 4WD issue too as I recall. Amongst other vehicles new and used. So, of course, looking forward to the verdict on what happened here. Good luck!
What was the outcome when taken to the dealer for warranty? Please put up that video. We need to know ASAP!!
This video makes me miss my '89 f250 7.3 manual 4x4; it just burbled through snow and mud, no hysterics.
I need to get one of that vintage again.
I made a comment some videos back on how nobody truly tests whether the Tacoma is even reliable or capable at all. I thought it would take at least a little more than 31 inch tires and a bit of snow to have a catastrophe...
They don't have to because all the toyota boys live in an echo chamber. Why is it the best? Because we say it is. Over and over. It's like a cult. And they will attack anyone who says otherwise.
I think personally he shouldn’t have been behind the wheel
@@kc.47 Classic Toyota fans always coping and quick to excuses when their God bleeds.
@@kc.47Yeah and he obviously didn't keep on maintenance. He should have changed the CV's every 1000 miles
@@AnabolicRick915 as a Toyota fan this is disappointing and nothing short of unacceptable. This is just the turbo, what's going to happen with the significantly more powerful hybrid. One thing is forsure, whether your a Toyota guy, Jeep, Rover... whatever your brand, older is better.
Went with the Pro-4x, saved money and still have my transfer case.
Buddy, smart choice. I've had nothing but nissan and never had a problem. I'm on my second frontier and these things are bullet proof.
Frontiers are so awesome and reliable, it’s hard to believe it’s made by the same company that makes the Altima. I’ve got an 04 Xterra that’s in amazing shape.
Ditto, zero issues with my 2023 p4x.
And!!!! You also have a V-6!!!
@@miniaddict4534 Nissan builds their mid size trucks right. I had a an '03 Nissan Frontier that was still running strong when I sold it with 379k miles on it with little to no major problems with regular scheduled maintenance.
In my 2016 Tacoma I had it in 4L craw control. Switch back to 4H and heard a bang and could not take it out of 4H. Took it to the dealer and they found the transfer case actuator shorted and had to replace actuator in transfer case. The 2024 Tacoma seems to still have the same issue.
Andrey took it out from 4H just fine in this video.
That was the best hint I read so far. 👍🏼
Almost as if electronically controlled transfer cases aren't a great idea... 🤔
What'll it take for engineers to start removing some of the excessive electronics? An EMP event?!
TFL out there exposing the new car industry and end of civilization one car review at a time
George Soros designed this car lol
18:49 Be safe guys. You should be equipped to self recover safely. I was cringing as he hooked the tow strap to the chain hangers of the Chevy hitch. You are professional car guys going offroading in potentially remote places, and not one of you have a hitch mounted recovery point for the rear? You could rip those chain hangers off or at least bend them. Or worst case break them and have a flying strap. Also I question the Tacoma front recovery point. As I understand, my 2019 has a hook on the passenger side (for recovery) and that loop on the driver side (only to tie down trailering). I don’t know if the driver side loop he tied to is for recovery. Also, did you both try that fully aired up at highway pressures? Dropping your tire pressures would have given you significantly more traction, as is typically done offroading. I figured you guys had a fully equipped support vehicle following you with straps, hitch connections, a winch, and recovery experience. You should get a friend like that to join you.
I’ve enjoyed your review videos and hope you guys learn to be prepared and keep safe.
I hope the Taco is OK. Can’t wait for the follow-up diagnosis.
Yeah this was a frantic mess, which is surprising for these guys. Now we know where Tommy gets it.
I was hoping for a hitch mounted d-ring point. Couldn’t believe it when he threw that shackle through the safety chain point.
I was disappointed at their recovery gear too . . . could have used soft shackles and multiple kinetic ropes too . . . 👀
For sure, they looked like total newbs. Kind of disappointing to watch that cluster, going on.
Toyota are not some kind of indestructible force of god, despite what fanboys think. They DO break down and have issues just like any other brand.
To be fair it is a brand new design, there are bound to be issues
Just a lot less issues.
My 85,86 4runner, 96 tacoma was indestructible, nowadays even people don't know what gender they are so i dont blame if toyota forgot how to make a reliable truck.
@@freedomisntfree_44 depends what you're comparing it to
If I compare our 4 Toyotas to GM/FORD...Toyota is light years ahead. I have owned Ford and GM..all junk.
"Mechanical loss or four wheel drive in an attempt to maneuver the all new 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD off-road over a small obstacle covered by a dusting of snow is THE PEAK OF TOYOTA'S LEGENDARY REPUTATION OF DURABILITY AND RELIABILITY! Get yours today!"
After watching this, I'm keeping my 2020 taco trd offroad (manual) forever.
A huge dealer market adjustment could have prevented this 🤷🏻♂️
or maybe a bigger screen, and more cup holders
Yeh I agree !
I'm a 36 yr Toyota truck owner, I will think long and hard b4 buying a new one.
Yeah, but real entertainment value, this was a great video.
They obviously didn't buy the door guards ,paint protection and nitro gas for the tires , all could have been prevented lol
@@marketpapi Next it will be battery conditioning, charge port cleaning, new framus rod, sneeter pin, etc.
lmao got a tacoma ad while watching this
😂
Me too
Yep
Chevrolet pulling itself and the Toyota .
Great commercial for Chevrolet.
Taco bro, "Never leave home without a Colorado".
this is why i like watching your channel. you guys test the vehicle on how an average consumer will when they purchase them. i like it how you guys even showed the recovery. three thumbs up!
5th gen 4Runner guys just eating popcorn and being amused 😂
6th Gen 4Runner will be the same thing as this 2024 Turd Tacoma. Made cheaper, weaker, but more expensive. Your 5th Gen will be desired more and more. Keep it!
And 3rd gen Tacoma owner. I own a 2021 5th gen 4 runner as well.
My 24 Tundra Pro has a little over 3k miles too but bought in Oct 2023, at least made it 5 months injury free so far! Had a 2019 SR5 Premium 4Runner, it was bullet proof but wanted back into a Tundra as I missed the open bed.
2nd gen Tacoma and 5th gen 4 runner here. This is sad to see.
@@Nvp8985 the rise and fall of a great company.
The new V-6 Twin turbos in the Tundras are blowing up. Toyota quality!🤣🤣
Incorrect! Not the Turbos; the engines themselves from machining debris insufficiency. Not the turbos...
@@AXNJXN1 Tell that to the owner of the new $65,000 Truck
@@jakemanchester5139 It’s really irrelevant… a bad engine is a ‘bad’ engine and Toyota KNOWS better… Their QC is steadily going down, that why I sold mine in time!
No argument there.
I drive an 06’ Tacoma Off Road with a V6 4.0 and I think I’ll keep it. 😂
Me too. I’ll keep my 2006 till the frame is toast.
They will go up in value from videos like this. 90’s and 00’s Toyota was peak..
They never miss an opportunity to dig at André for his Colorado not having cruise control and I'm here for it.
I'll take the broken TACO over the running Colorado anyway. GM recalls, cameras that apply brakes > nope. Blueberry is better than yellow on any truck.These guys are so impressed with the touch screen and button pushing. All that crap will break over time.The broken part appears to be possibly due to the ice, frozen ground, approach angles and obstacles as well as driver errors. The dealer will fix it. BTW, my stock old Honda 4WD or my RWD > 1970 Chevy C10 or our 4WD Nissan pickup would get up that little incline.
@@chefgiovannicope.
That video when he realized his 2024 $46k truck did not have cruise control was hilarious
Idk why his doesn’t I have a 2023 Colorado trail boss and mine has cruise control, lane keep assist,and auto braking. Mine was also cheaper at 38k.
@@chefgiovanniim just gonna remind you a base trail boss just pulled out your TRD after it blew a diff on a trail that they bring mom suvs on😂
Snapped a CV. Thats happens spinning wheels on IFS setups. That did snap really easy. No drive on the other front wheel because of the open front differential. The snapped side just spins, no power goes to the unbroken side. I've changed lots of CVS on the side side of trails that look just like that!
Neither wheel was getting power. Something in the front diff broke.
@@John_Redcorn_ that's how open diffs work. The wheel with the least resistance spins. The broken CV is the least resistance no power will go to the unbroken side.
Do you think this situation would be a QA issue from Toyota's end regarding CV, or pretty common across the aisle?
@@drill_fiend1097 that's hard to say there's no doubt it snapped easier than it should have. You don't want to spin your wheels when they are not getting traction but it didn't seem like he was on the gas too hard. Maybe the traction control system was braking the side that snapped. Whatever it was that was that caused it to snap, that is the easiest I've seen a CV break for sure. I would hesitate to condemn the CV build just yet because it could be the way the traction control is setup on a new to market rig.
Nope. It's the diff.
Tacoma fans saying it’s just a beta testing . Hilarious. 😅
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The reason TFL is the best is that they are 100% honest. If its bad news about Toyotas or Land Rovers or good news about 90's Nissan Hardbody's I know who to trust.
You guys set the Internet on fire with that breakdown.
I've never seen so many comments under any of their videos like this ❕️
29:30 In order to use the 4WD system, you have to attend a dealership seminar and use a check list like an airline pilot does before take-off?
"Old men in new trucks struggle up a 10ft hill" should be the title
That could be done in 2wd with some power and momentum. Instead they spun both trucks flexed out on a 3 foot tall rock covered in some snow. Bad on the Taco. Absolutely horrendous driving.
@@nevadarandall7184 They were so distracted spitting into their walkie talkies they couldn't multi task??? That's some senile driving they're showing off. Painful to watch. WTH???
@@nevadarandall7184 I also wonder why they never lower tire pressures
😂😂😂 yes!
Yeah, I don't think you guys did anything wrong. You weren't being hard on your equipment, if anything, you guys are always very cautious with the safety of your equipment as well as your participants. Please keep us posted!
2:50 I love how he says Toyota may have a tougher transfer case…
Can't believe that they didn't think to look at the CV shafts right away. That would have been the first place I would have looked after hearing a sound like that.
I think that they know what failed but don't want to be responsible for Toyota loosing sales. 😂 you can see that the front axle failed.
They snapped a cv shaft. Guarantee
I agree they either snapped the cv actually or it just popped out I've had that happen
I agree totally a CV and anyone who wheels IFS should know that. I lost some respect with this episode these guys talk about trucks for a living and they don't fully understand how IFS setups and open diffs work.
Came here looking for this comment. Anyone that has been off road for 3 seconds knows that was an axle shaft.
Personally I’m impressed that the TCS actually engaged the brake on the spinning side enough to snap the shaft on the traction side.
Dont put lockers in these on stock shafts 😂
Alex filming shorts and social media clips while this happens was hilarious 😅
Nice to see the Chevy being “like a rock” for the Tacoma lol
Too bad GM can shut that truck down immediately by signal. GM is government motors.
@@ryanb8736Foil hat😂
Just hope your instrument cluster continues to turn on in your Colorado and doesn't put itself in limp mode or drain the battery when it tries to run an OTA update. 😅
@@ryanb8736the Tacoma has to follow all government regulations just like any other brand. This truck isn’t built in Japan and shipped over here like many European cars
@@ryanb8736 You do realize that Toyota can also do that, so can Ford, Nissan.... What's your point?
Regardless of whether or not it broke because Roman didn't engage one mode before the other, it shouldn't be that easy to break it. I don't want a vehicle that will cost me huge if I get confused and push the wrong button.
They were talking about that in order to get it out of 4L in order to limp the truck back home. It had zero to do with the failure itself.
I don't see a "switchology" error. The software won't let you engage things incorrectly. He over stressed a part by spinning the wheels like he did. When one of them finally grabbed traction, that instant stoppage broke something. Still shouldn't have broke but I'll put money on all the spinning.
That had absolutely nothing to do with it...they should have edited that part out, because it makes ppl think that.
@@Dusdaddyalso, if he had stayed on the gas to begin with he would have made it up and most likely not broke anything...but stuff breaks when you wheel, especially in the snow.
@@leeward6762 Yep, he even said it earlier, "Apply the Nathan method"
And this is why half of us toyota guys were skeptical about the new tacomas. Seemed to emphasis tech and looks, which will take focus away from quality
I saw the engineer from Toyota going on and on about how great the new motors are. That these turbocharged tiny displacement engines with high horsepower and torque are going to be just fine. I did not believe a word out of his mouth.
You are a smart person. All these people making excuses for poor quality and praising the 4 cylinder turbo engines are shills and probably paid by Toyota. Trusting a chief engineer at Toyota telling you it’s better than the V6….lol….makes me laugh how dumb people are.
To me, turbos are just extra stuff to break. They have their place, but I don't want one anywhere near my truck.
They’re actually not really new. They’ve been using them in Lexus SUV’s for a few years
Have you not been around? Toyota has been building turbo engines since the 1986 Pickup with the 22RTE. Legendary reliability. The old MR2 and supra engines would go 200k+ without anything more than maintenance. Toyota knows how to make them last. Just follow the maintenance schedule and put premium oil on it.
Historically the V6s were the ones with problems. Even the recent generation had problems.
Wow....that wasn't even out of the blocks really before it went. Modern Toyota selling product on the reputation of the old Toyota.
I have a 91 Toyota it is a piece of junk just like the new ones 🤣🤣🤣
That old joke about using a Jeep/Ford/Chevy to get you in and a Toyota to get you out might need revisiting. Great episode guys - thanks for always staying impartial.
I had a 67 International Scout with a 196 four cylinder that would climb telephone poles. It had All Wheel drive (positraction in the rear, straight axle - no planetaries - in the front). I once crossed this river in the middle of nowhere in Northern Baja in winter that had about 6" of water (at the start) in it and was over 100' wide. It looked flat. The road I was on (dirt) continued on the other side so I figured it was safe to cross. I put it in 4 wheel low, locked the lockers (kids don't even know what those are these days) and proceded to idle across. As I was approaching the other side I noticed the river getting deeper and the 2" lip on the other side was actually 18" to 2' deeper under water. I had no choice but to keep going because if I stopped my car would have been buried in the sand as the river dug out underneath it. I just went straight for that bank, gave it some gas as I hit it straight with my bumber. The thing just plowed through the bank, popped straight up and crawled right out. Never want to do that again! I heard farmers used those things in their fields to rake hay, pull heavy loads, etc. When I rebuilt the engine the mounting bolts to the clutch housing were 3/4" (for reference, a Chevy pickup back then might have 3/8" mounting bolts). I think it's safe to say they don't build vehicles like that anymore.
TFL doesn't even know what lockers are haha. The Tacoma HAS a locker in the rear and they weren't even using it until after the mechanical.
New Toyotas are a gamble. My 2022 Camry had a mapp sensor failure at highway speed. Downshifted so here we almost left the highway. Faulkner Toyota said it was a rodent chew on the wires. No evidence of wires being chewed on. I suspect the only rodent under the hood was their technician. Excellent way to hide their failures. Charged me for there repair.
"Early production model": At what number do you think is justification for a major part failure?
To me, the key word is "production". A production TRD off-road should have been tested and refined enough to handle light off-roading.
That's why I will keep my 2023 TRD off Road , Manual for a Long time Thank you guys
Ya me too. 2020 TRD off road. Manual 4x4. My old uncle told me that I would appreciate manual one day out on the trail. 4Runner
I have a 2021 off road 6 speed manual. K&N intake and ov tune.
It's like watching a three legged cat try to bury turd on a frozen pond.
Comment of the day right here. 👍🏻
three legged cat with 2 turbos thats over priced built in mexico
LMAO
My cat takes offense and she says she would have never attempted that.
@@Dankcatvacs I thought the new Taco only had one turbo?
You've just convinced me to keep driving my 1984 Chevy K20 Scottsdale that I drove new off the lot.
Just had my 2012 150k mile xterra pro4x in similar conditions while outside the Alabama Hills near Mt Whitney. Loaded with wife, dog and camping gear. Dug out the snow and ice in 4lo. Then drove home 5 hours back to San Diego. Ready for the next adventure 👍
Nissan Frontier owners chilln and eating chips right now....
*CRUNCH CRUNCHY MMMMM
Nissan pick up trucks are dead. The reign of Chevrolet just commenced
@@mbukukanyauCracked Head Every Valve Rattles Leaks Oil Every Time....Chevrolet
@@carbonking53 says a Nissan fan.. I mean, Nissan, the industry's joke 😃
Ive owned and abused them all. Hands down Chevy and GMC's sucked the most by a mile. They are the ONLY brands of vehicles that have left me stranded on the side of the road repeatedly. I had two Xetrra's that were bullet proof. Rugular maintenance and one rear axle seal in 280,000 miles between the two. Bought them both new.
We've had five Toyota's in the last 16 years and NONE of them have been perfect, but nothing has sucked near as bad as a GM product.
Quality control on the new Frontiers is a joke. Plus, the seats are designed for small Asian men, the electronics are problematic, and they still can't get the shift software to work. Nissan is garbage.
Favorite car until it leave you stranded.
Ford drivers favorite phrase
@@ReelNewwtbut ford does leave you stranded 😂😂
Took delivery of my 2024 tacoma trd sport 6 speed manual truck is sitting at the dealer with 2 ,500 miles needing a new transmission which lost 2nd 4th & 6th gear transmission is on a 3 month back order not happy
2nd gen tacoma owner here. I had a feeling the new ones were way to good to be true...
These guys are dumb as shit.
I went from a 2006 Tacoma 6 speed manual. To a 2015 automatic to a 21 6 speed manual. In my 21 I have a k&N intake and ov tune.
Looks like I'm settling for a '24 Frontier Pro-4x. Thanks TFL!!
Should be able to get several thousand off MSRP if that's what you want, since they're pretty uncompetitive and not selling well for Nissan at all.
@@thatoneotherotherguy Honestly, that is more of a selling point for me if it is easier on the wallet, easier to maintain (NA V6 Baybeeeeeee!), more widely available and still retains the reliability of the last gen. I want a midsize truck that acts like a midsize truck, not a midsize truck that acts like a turbo 4 banger sedan on icy uneven surfaces.
@@HotSneks whatever floats your boat. I'm sure the new Tacoma will continue to prove more reliable than the ancient Frontier platform (2005) that got a new body, newer V6 and a pretty questionable 9-speed automatic transmission. Best of luck with the Nissan's reliability and depreciation if you go that route. I've got a V6 better than the old Tacoma or Nissan V6's, the Toyota 4.0L in my '23 4Runner, and I'd rather have the new Toyota 4cyl, as it makes way more torque way lower than any of these N/A 6cyls, and guzzles a lot less fuel doing so.
@@thatoneotherotherguy So because you(and a bunch of other people here) seem to put your faith in a brand for some weird arbitrary reason, here's some common sense for you.
As a general rule of thumb, any car or truck that uses forced induction by either exhaust gasses (turbo) or belt driven (supercharger) is going to run hotter. Heat will always play a role in an engine life cycle. Engineers have constantly improved on this but the fact of the matter is, anything that uses forced induction is just going to have a shorter lifespan because of heat. You can not increase the load of an engine and expect it to last as long especially when it's doing things like towing or even harder wheeling. It boils down to physics, "the candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long."
Take the new V6 Turbo in the Tundra for example and look at how many people have reported their truck grenading before 40k miles. What do you think is going to happen to the new turbocharged I-4s in the Tacomas?
Funny how Tacomas (previous gen mind you) and Tundras have both gotten recalls the past week, right? Then then this happens on one of the more popular truck enthusiast channels and people like you seem to deny it. 🤷♀
I've been driving Frontiers since 2008. First a 2000 4x4 and now my 2009 SV 4x4. They've never let me down on off-road trails. I say let the toyota fans keep overpaying for their trucks. My only complaint about the Nissan being less popular is the smaller amount of aftermarket upgrades available.
Still driving my 1998 Toyota Tacoma SR5 V6 4x4 that I bought new the only I replace was starter, radiator, timing belt, water pump brakes and rotors.
Ever take it off road?
I bought me a Silverado Trail Boss 2023 almost bought the Colorado ZR2. Either way I'm happy with my new truck I've got 4300 miles on it now. Love TFL truck your reviews are real time .
Man, these videos are really making me appreciate my PRO-4x
Hell, my 2009 Frontier SV has gone through way more without falling apart.
And this is exactly why I was thinking of buying a new Pro4X over the Tacoma. Finally sat in over at the car show and freaking loved it
That's what I would get.
This video just immediately vindicates my choice to get my frontier. 2020 with the new v6 and 9 speed and 4x4. Zero issues in and off-road so far… 😂
Wish the Titan was staying in line-up.
Right after the pop seems like you all went into shock or something. Like you were not able to think or talk properly.
I couldnt help but laugh
There’s no worse vehicle to have in the ice than a rear wheel drive pickup truck. A geo metro would have been better at that point. Not a great feeling having the worst tool for the job.
@@foellerd It wouldnt have hurt to air down immediately in this situation
@@youngblood23rb yes, and always carry chains just in case. I do the same in my SUV, even in mud chains can be a game changer.
I hope they do an update to this video and find out what happened and what got done to get it fixed.
I don't care what anybody says in regards to 4wheel drive, the old manual & turning those hubs were full proof, it worked 100 over 100 compare to this one, more things can go wrong.
Bring back the old fashion one, people would buy it guarantee!!!