I think technically she said she was better than Batman because she was there while the actual, real Batman is nowhere to be found, as in trying to fill the hole that Bruce left when he disappeared. Still, doesn't change the fact that she just can't capture Alice for whatever plot reason.
It's so strange, every time Social Justice influenced writing writes "female heroes" they end up as narcissistic callous unempathetic villains. These are the women they identify with? These are villains, and it tells so much both ways.
If you try to write a woman that isn't submissive or motherly or a houswife, but do so with an active contempt for those traits, you wind up with the polar opposite. A selfish bitch who can barely take care of herself or work with others.
I love that she sprayed her 10 million dollar suit with a 5 dollar can of spraypaint. Its a perfect metaphor for this show. Taking an amazingly intricate and well crafted universe and just slap your cheap garbage on it.
In the comics, Thomas Elliot is Hush who is one of Batman's most dangerous and smartest villains; they downright ruined a good character just to have some cheap allegory against rich people
I know. The moment they said his name was Tommy Elliot, I was thinking, "Wait; that's Hush's name! Is that supposed to be Hush?! That's the worst version of Hush I've ever seen!"
In the show beside her sister, has she ever fought crime we have not seen any crime at all cause you know Gotham the most crime infested place in the dc universe.
and the line is completely out of context in the scene, one moment ago she was feeling guilty about her failure, "it is my fault, people died because I put the suit on", and one fucking scene later she claims to be better than batman out of nowhere.
@@TheDarklugia123 This is what bothered me the most. This was clearly a remnant from a different version of the script and how the scene would played out because it doesn't make any fucking sense at all given the scene we actually got. I definitely expected something like this to happen given this is a part of CW, where Supergirl is a better, stronger, more effective hero than fucking Superman (who is constantly telling get so because these women babies need constant gratification), so why wouldn't Batwoman be as well? But given the scene we got, she's blaming herself for putting on the suit and inadvertantly getting people killed BECAUSE she's explicitly not as good as Batman, yet all of the sudden maybe she's better for LITERALLY no reason at all? This is like an all time terrible bit of dialogue because it's a colossal fuck up on every level, from the acting and directing to the writing and editing. This basically had to go through every level of the film/television making process and no one said, "Hey, everybody, I don't think this line makes sense being here, in this scene". You don't even have to remove the line from existence entirely (though you should, Kate Kane Batwoman will never be a superior hero to Batman) from the show, but it absolutely should not have been put here, in that scene, in that context.
@@danieldaw1778 agreed. Also, you can see how fucked up is the writing when you realize that she learned nothing, this was suppose to be an episode where she learns to be more responsible and assumes her own identity, with she failing at the middle and returning for a gran finale,appearing with the red wig and making up for her mistakes (now she has her own identity, she not just Batman's shadow). But as the plot is presented, she is not responsible and has no mistakes to undo, so when she came back nothing change in her besides her appearance,making the whole scene ridiculous.
@@redbigun to be fair jokers does have those moments but its because hes literally insane and goes threw countless diffrent phases sometimes he cares about harley sometimes he sees harley as a tool of violence and nothing more sometimes he sees her as a punching bag and sometimes see her as still his threapist its what makes the joker harley thing actually intresting as its a perfect abusive realtionship example its normally not just straight abuse its peroids of romantic peace followed by bursts of sadism and emotinal or physical violence
My 5 lowlights of this episode: 1. Batwoman treats Alice's murder spree like it isn't a big deal, and then later lets her walk away after she's killed again. 2. The director doesn't understand the physics of elevator crashes, and has people be thrown into the hallway from the impact. 3. Kate outright saying that she's better than Batman 4. Kate and Luke personalizing Bruce's suit further at a time when they should be scrambling to save the people in the elevators. 5. The writers butchering Hush (one of the best newer Batman villains), making him an incompetent idiot with an insane plan.
How to write a Batwoman villain: Make the female ones sassy, hypercapable, plot invulnerable psychopaths. Aka, Mary Sue with a black coat of paint. They cannot display any human emotions or concerns, such as uncertainty, anxiety, guilt, fear, distress, frustration (perhaps that they aren't getting their way immediately), or anything that may blemish the otherwise uber-cool-reassurance vibe an actor maintains because they know their character is untouchable in the scene they're in. Make the men overconfident parodies of the female villains that exude the exact same overconfident reassurance in spades, only to be anticlimactically tossed off the side of a cliff because a lesbian sneezed in their general direction. Even the most intelligent will make stunningly shortsighted life choices at the drop of a hat because the script demands that the villain immediately construct a hostage situation out of thin air.
@@viyhexe131 rich guy is Thomas Elliott a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne in the comics. Eventually Thomas Elliott becomes the supervillain Hush , his goal make Bruce Wayne/ Batman's life a living hell basically. This Thomas Elliott in this tv show is what we call a bitch
I'd like to add that the entire premise of falling elevators is actually not possible. Elevators are fitted with locking mechanisms that snap into teeth on the rail in case the cable snaps. The elevator wouldn't fall more than a few inches. This was perfected in the late 1800s.
Additionally, a runaway elevator would not fall. A runaway elevator would rise. The counterweight is heavier than the actual elevator in order to prevent a fall, as well as to help the elevator to rise in the first place instead of having to spend extra for engines that would be able to do it all on their own. If the counterweight is heavier, all the engines have to be able to do is run it one way (rising and stopping is torque in the same direction).
He also should be a lot smarter and better with guns considering he's Hush; one of Batman's most dangerous foes. When they were kids, he was the one that taught Bruce strategy.
@@FHTV19 The weirdest part is that they did enough research to know that Tommy Elliot/Hush likes quoting Aristotle, but didn't bother using any other part of the character.
@@FHTV19 I agree; I'm just noting that it seems to be a weirdly arbitrary level of laziness. Then again, I suppose it's easier to read a Wikipedia article and then write a bad character than write a good character.
Dusky the Demon Yes, I agree. I think one of the best moments is EFAP 50, looking at all the community work and the reactions to this “shit” makes me happy. Also, 8:00.
Not just genius-level: He's supposed to be skilled in strategy to the point where he taught Bruce strategy when the two of them were childhood friends.
@unga Dunga Yeah; before his parents died, he had two friends: Tommy Elliot and Roman Sionis. Both of them came from rich families that were far more dysfunctional than Bruce Wayne's, and both of them grew up to become villains: Hush and Black Mask, respectively. I honestly think it would be cool if a Batman film had both Hush and Black Mask as villains and explored that part of Bruce Wayne's childhood.
@Goat yep the few that dont have mental damage even if its just ptsd or high stress are normally young characters or joke esk characters like booster gold and even then they eventually do to being heros will see or be involved with something so horrible getting out of it unscathed mentally is nearly impossible
24:35 this has to be the most infuriating scene i have ever seen in a show, She's customizing her batsuit while her family is close to death. Who. Wrote. This.
Hmmm... the Riddler is a Batman villain himself as well... interesting to name the writing error after him considering this is Batwhaman being talked about.
It's the only way to gain enjoyment out of this show, laugh at other people suffering this. Also remember the episode is 45 minutes long so they spared a lot of our brain cells.
A deadly hostage situation is happening, involving her "love" interest and family, but that can wait! Batwoman needs some time to get her hair done first.
When you put it like that it sounds rather stereotypical/misogynistic to come from this female empowerment show. It's almost like proofreading your sequence of events is important.
My god they turned motherfucking Hush into some incompetent asshat who gets tricked easily, has mind boggling horrible plans, and doesn't even know that his stolen Batman killing supergun works better when you shoot the target instead of slap them with it.
The moment they said the guy's name was Tommy Elliot, I was thinking, "Wait; is that supposed to be Hush?! That is the stupidest version of Hush I've ever seen!"
@@stevus23 It'll either be this show or Titans that does that. Given that Jason Todd's already in Titans, it'll probably be that show that does it first. But I wouldn't be surprised if this show ruins Red Hood as well. First, the new Harley Quinn film ruining Black Mask, now this show ruining Hush; why are both villains that were childhood friends of Bruce being ruined by these adaptations?
Thomas Eliot is a Batman Comic villain, Hush, who had an abusive father and a submissive mother. He hated them both and attempted to kill them as a young man, however Thomas Wayne managed to save his mother, resulting in Eliot having a breakdown where he attacked a boy and was sent to Arkam during a time when Scarecrow was a member of staff. In his storyline, Hush teamed up with the RIdler and used his genius level intellect to construct a plot to drive Bruce over the edge, flood him with paranoia of a conspiracy and using various characters from the DC universe to fuck with Batman. On the surface, Thomas was a reflection of Bruce's public persona, but when his identity as Hush is revealed, he's a twisted version of Bruce who resents Bruce for having a simmilar, yet better life then him. This show's generic, whiny rich kid is not Hush.
So Luke says that this “high powered rail gun” was developed by Bruce Wayne to penetrate the Batsuit if the suit falls in the wrong hands. So Batman developed a GUN to KILL someone if they stole the Batsuit.... Also Tommy Elliot when he was first introduced in this episode did a shhhh sound and I bet some writer in the writers room was like: “Yeah let’s have him shhh Kate when she walks in to reference his comic book counterpart, we’re smart.” Also the Bat signal is on top of the GCPD so 100+ cops were downstairs and Kate didn’t get any one of them to arrest Alice?!
Meanwhile, in a good Batman show (Batman Beyond), the failsafe Bruce has in place in case anyone steals the Batsuit is a switch that can remotely disable the Batsuit and make it almost impossible for the person in the suit to move around while in it. It's non-lethal, doesn't involve guns, and fits Bruce Wayne's crazy-preparedness.
The funniest thing is just last episode they established a difibulator inside the batsuit. Surely something simple like knockout gas or the thing used in hospitals to desusatate patients before an operation??
S4ns -- Now, now. Let's be fair. If this show was *truly* 100% woke horseshit, she would have said "I *am* better than Batman." That's she's willing to admit she isn't perfect means she can have a 'character' arc.
This is truly one of the worst shows I've ever seen. I can't believe it's even on TV, let alone will go beyond 1 season...... Soak it in, frens. The Don has surely blessed us with this mess!
"Every time I put on the suit people get hurt." Oh gee, consequences for nicking someone else’s stuff! Wow, pretty meta. What really amazes me is that these writers have no concept of PROFESSIONALISM. They're so far up their own arses, they cannot tell a competent story with real people, hell they don't even know what it looks like. I would love to invite them to my work place, to teach them a few lessons about how people can interact professionally. Men and women judged by what they can do.
Is it weird that I’ve grown to love how bad this show is? I’m so excited for the next season, more excited then I would be for a good show to get another season.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Yeah, I think a lot of us are waiting for that train wreck. I just worry about Drinker's liver and Fringy's sanity. The body and mind can only take so much!
Genuine question: Have we already seen the show's peak or is there something even more genuinely awful yet to come? Would they have the effort to make something that horrible we'll be laughing about it for months on end or will it just be bland shit from here on out we won't remember in a year? And I honestly don't know which would be better or worse. :/
This shit isn't so bad it's good, so I'm guessing it'll be forgotten PDQ after it gets pulled down. The only way this show is even watchable is in the EFAP format, or something like it. On it's own it's not watchable.
i want more next level trainwrecks like The Last Jedi, Game of thrones Season 8 and Ghostbusters 2016. Hopefully batWAHMAN reaches that peak. I FUCKEN LOVE seeing all of my favorite franchises burn down, if the salt could be harnessed we could be living in a post scarcity society and be terraforming mars at this very moment.
@@qaztim11 to reach these levels, you need to start as a strong and beloved property and THEN do horrible stuff. The Last Jedi (and the ST) were that painful because the OT (and even the PT) was a thing. Imagine how meaningless and how nobody would give a shit about TFA, TLJ and TROS if it was a new, independent franchise...
To be honest, I want to see what they will do with her ex-girlfriend now that she's married (omg, can you believe she's married to a mAn ???). I seriously fear that they will try every stupid thing to make her divorce or just get back with Kate in general...
16:47 EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: This version of the batsuit is apparently so advanced that it can take a .50 AE round from about 10 feet away with literally no sign of impact whatsoever, and this is the same suit that doesn't seem to affect her speed or range of motion in the slightest. The plot of this episode revolved around a guy's scheme to steal a special prototype gun specifically because of it's capacity to shoot through the batsuit. I want to be sure we all remember just how ludicrously protective the batsuit is...because now, unless every single foe she fights has a railgun, a lightsaber, a powerfist, etc, there is no goddamn way any part of her body besides her chin should be susceptible to harm. Even Iron Man's early suits could at least get scuffed by bullets.
I hope one episode is good, irrelevant of other episodes just so the crew have to contemplate that the guy who did it has to struggle with adding Batwoman in his resume xD His episode was great but the series is total bull, maybe he'll and "Batwoman SxEx" only
Kate KNOWS that her cousin was Batman, and that he just vanished three years ago. You’d think she’d come to the obvious conclusion that her cousin was killed (because he’s a man and clearly incompetent). Like... That should be her motivation for the whole season, finding the person who killed her cousin, because there’s no way he’s not dead, because if he’s not, the show runners are going to portray him as an awful person despite literally being a super hero who puts his life on the life for justice.
He might not be dead; he could be kidnapped. That was what they used in the animated film Batman: Bad Blood. Of course, that film, while mediocre overall, was a lot better than this show, and it used Batwoman a lot better.
Matthew St. Cyr O.K., but the issue is that he’s gone, he was Batman, and her was her cousin, and Kate hasn’t even thought to ask about what happened to him.
26:15 That grappling hook that stops the falling elevator... It's connected to a wire, connected to the grappling gun and, she's just holding on to that with her bare hands, right?
This just made my morning for coming out. I love how horrible this show is. I don't know how the show keeps getting worse and worse. It's like every episode the writer proudly goes "this is the worst thing I've ever written" and the next writer is like "hold my beer"
I love this new writing style where they cram material that could last 3 episodes, an entire character arc, or a whole season into 1 episode. Repeating this 22 times will surely work out. Truly innovative *I APPLAUD IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT*
Or how she’s such a strong and independent woman who don’t need a man. Except for the part where she comes in and commandeers the entire operation that a man built up on his own, right down to his codename.
@@vnom84 it's a mystery to me how these people can act so high and mighty when they are literal leeches... I guess not learning humility and being treated as special snowflake/princess will do that but damn...
I will point out, in the boxing scene. Yes, she did "beat" him. However, the issue is, this is half the point and also totally wrong. The gloves the guy has on are for practice, you put them on and get someone else to punch them for practice. How you manage to knock the guy over is mind boggling as it means you totally subverted the point of the exercise. So yes, there could only be one "winner", being her. But that's also silly in the same way.
Its funny Ruby Rose can't act because she shows no emotion. The actress playing Alice overacts showing too much emotion. I think they need to find a middle ground.
I can’t even imagine what Bruce would be thinking as this all goes on. They’ve made him a pathetic powerless fool because he’s done nothing to prevent or curtail any of this.
Wait; did you say Tommy Elliot? That's the name of the Batman villain Hush! That guy's supposed to be Hush?! That has to be the stupidest version of Hush that I've ever seen! In the comics, Bruce learned strategy from Tommy Elliot when they were childhood friends. In this show, he's such a joke.
This show wasted Tommy Elliot. (Spoilers for the comic Batman: Hush) Tommy Elliot in the comics is an awesome Batman villain called Hush who toyed with and expertly manipulated Batman for months during the Batman: Hush storyline. He nearly kills Batman at the start of the story by sniping his grappling hook in mid air, he manipulates Batman into having to fight Superman, fakes his own death and frames the Joker for the murder, keeps Batman guessing as to what his real identity is, and is overall just a really great antagonist. Tommy Elliot in this show is a complete joke of a villain. He gets easily tricked by Batwoman, has zero tactical or combat skills (doesn't shoot Batwoman and instead tries to hit her with the gun), and gets taken out in one episode. What an absolute waste of this character.
The real movement question is how Alice gets on the rooftop behind Tommy in order to save Kate. The elevators are still nonfunctional/exploded, and we don't see any sort of indication that she has tower-scaling grappling hook or other gear. Yet there she is, unseen and behind Eliot seconds after Batwoman grapples up.
"What happens when your enemies start to kill real people in order to draw you out?" If they wanted to convince us that Kate cares about people that _might_ be killed as a consequence of her actions, then maybe they shouldn't have shown her perfectly willing to let her insane serial-killer sister run free.
Unsurprisingly, elevators are designed to not fall and kill everyone if the cables snap. There have been only three occasions in US history where these safety features failed, and all of them involved crashing a plane into the building.
Wait it just dawned on me Batmans been gone for 3 years. Where did all his rogues go? did they just all decide to up and leave when gotham lost the one person that could stop them?
at least the joker will banish too, joker's motivation is only to figth batman, if batman banish, the joker wont have a motive to do what he do. that happened alredy in a comic xD
@@poijnve3912 I would assume if he was out of Arkham, he would spend a few weeks causing mayhem then just go into depression. But I guess KC, pingu, deadshot, Bane don't exist
@@bipstymcbipste5641 No,that is canon, if there isnt a batman, the joker goes full drepession and stop doing crime, even he would start to have a normal live, so even if he was out of arkham he wouldnt cause mayhem beacuse there isnt a point!, there isnt a batman to fight!
Batman may not have killed people, but he at least beats the shit out of his Rogues Gallery, then ties them up when push comes to shove. Batwoman could get thrown off a bridge into Crocodile and Shark infested waters as civilians around her are being gunned down and still be like "pretty please don't kill people oh please, oh please, oh pretty please."
Tommy Elliot is an extremely important character to Batman and Bruce Wayne's personal life and they shoehorned him into this dumb show. Tommy Elliot knows Bruce Wayne is batman usually, so I guess that is why he is there though doing what he does?
" If you kill someone who has killed, then you are also a killer. Batman’s rule was to never kill anyone. He always wanted to be the bigger man in the room and this quote exemplifies that. It does not matter what someone else does, do not drop down to their level. " ~ Batman
Here's another quote. A hero isn’t always the person who flies through the air and defends against villains. A hero can be any normal person who does the right thing. A hero is someone who puts faith and love in the eyes of the people around them. ~ Batman
Great explanation, though I think an even better one I heard about is that apparently there's a comic book storyline where Superman has a nightmare that Batman finally succumbs and kills the Joker, then turns himself in to the police the next day; leaving Gotham without its defender.
So I just did some research (took like 5 mins). The people in the elevator fell 39 stories. the average height of a story is 10 feet so they fell just shy of 400 feet. In a reference book Trauma Anesthesia, the median lethal fall dist. is about 4 stories which means lethality is about 50/50. It only takes a 7 story fall for lethality to increase to 90%. So yeah, there is no way these people fell over 5x the height that almost guarantees death and live to tell it. Good job at bending the laws of physics to your will for the sake of the plot CW writers.
1. Grappling hook cannot hold anything like this, literally anything, because it tries to hold it with just two points instead of three. So it'll just tilt in the direction of the free claw and whatever it holds (elevator in this case) will slip. 2. The amount of kinetic energy in the falling elevator is: mass times velocity squared. To stop falling elevator you have to negate *ALL* of that energy. Even if the metal cord from that grappling hook and the hook itself are strong enough to do that (in which case they must be made from literal indestructible unobtanium) whatever she attaches her end of that cord must be a solid steel beam or equivalent and whatever she uses to keep the cord attached must be made of yet more indestructible unobtanium.
If Mauler can rightfully complain about Jon's Wolfo not being hugged in season 8, I think its perfectly valid to drive this point home: Why is the Kane family so awful? In this universe, Batwoman and Batman are cousins, and after Bruce's parents were killed, his uncle never thought to invite Bruce to live with him and his family? What the fuck?
20:35 Wait, WHAT?! When Alice ranted in the last episode about how she resented her dad for not looking for her, I assumed she meant for eventually stopping the search and assuming her to be dead. I guess it was dumb for me to assume that, because apparently she thought he has spent _literally_ no time looking for her, and that's why she's an insane murderhobo.
What Elliot was saying is that he arranged for his parents to die in a car crash so that he could claim his inheritance early. His father died, but Thomas Wayne (a doctor) managed to save his mother. So he was stuck caring for her crippled form for years ago instead of becoming rich. That why he hates the Waynes. And he eventually becomes the villain Hush. It’s actually a pretty neat villain story, but MAN does this show not know how to tell stories!!!
If she's crippled to the point he has to wipe drool from her lip wouldn't he gain power of attorney and thus have all the money? Hire a nurse to wipe drool. Ugh this show.
The reason they call him a misogynist even tho there’s no evidence of it is because they assume that all guys are misogynistic unless they grovel at their feet
That grappling hook wouldn't even grip that elevator from that angle, it'd slip because none of the prongs on the arms are actually grabbing corners. If it was shot straight through the roof of the elevator it would have pucker the metal outward and the arms could then extend, then the prongs could then grab something while the arms steadied against the ceiling. They didn't even need CG for this. The movie Descent, a 2005 film, used a rock wall on moving a conveyor belt behind a cage to simulate a descending elevator. What they could have done is filmed her shoot the hook down, and then filmed the hook penetrating the roof. Then they could have taken a wide shot of the elevator and ran a conveyor belt using a matte gray canvas with some bars and beams to simulate an elevator shaft. There was absolutely no need for that to be CG and look that terrible when there was a cheaper and better option available. Another thing is for that wide shot of her standing on the edge of the building, they could have gone anywhere at night to do that. There are no landmarks, buildings, or moving pieces in the shot, it's a clear night sky. Which makes sense since they're on the largest tower in Gotham which would make it the perfect excuse to actually do this. Like, what the fuck are you doing?
Dik Dik Even if it didn't slip (because one of the totally uselessly angled teeth still holds on by chance), it would at least have to angle a little around the metal rail it is attached to as the other claw is not attached to something. But then again, that would be proper representation of physics, and physics is science, and science is a white male construct. Can't have that in a "diverse" show, I guess.
To this show's defense, a woman fell inside an elevator from the Empire State, in the 40s when a bomber crashed, she miraculously survived. Modern elevators have independent brake systems, elevators have 4 times the nescessary wires to withstand the "max weight" they advertise,space between of the shaft of the elevator and the elevator itself pressures air so that it slows itself down, it's like trying to close a syringe really fast, there is so much fluid and so little calibre that it doesn't fall at terminal speed. So either non die, or some hurt but not all dead. But exploded onto the hallway? No, that's bullshit, they'd be a mess of flesh and metal or would be badly hurt but alive.
I have read a decent amount of Aristotle and I know of no such reference to any concept of friends being the same soul in difrent bodys. Aristotle regarded the soul as distinct he belived that self love was the highest love, and that if you cannot recognize yourself as a distinct and separate entity from your loved ones then your love cant be genuine in the first place.
22:50 Shouldn't modern elevators have like, breaks that work even in cases where all cables are severed? So not only did they tumble down in an elevator with zero security breaks, they survived it for some reason.
I guess it's too much for this show to ask, but in the Arkham Games, Batman definitely has a DNA Sequenzer, that allows him to seperate Alcohol from the air, analyze it, so he knows it's Gin, and follow the trace and much more.
Hey Mauler, none of you questioned why almost all of the supporting cast were in elevators at the exact same time on the top floor? Was that cut out or did they really just feel like chilling in the vators? Anyway, love the vids, say hi to Fringy and Rags for me!
Thomas Elliot is a Batman villian named Hush (he stole Bruce Wayne's face is in the Arkham games) with a much better backstory, motivation, oh and he's not a complete idiot.
Remember, when in a hurry and under the threat of falling elevators, take time to spray pain a red bat on your shirt, find a wing, and put on some bright red makeup (that will disappear the moment you take off the helmet you're wearing)
I sat there for about 5 minutes afterwards going "Tommy Elliott... Tommy Elliott... I know that name... who was he?" 10 second google search later "THAT WAS HUSH?!?!? THAT WAS HOW THEY WANTED TO REPRESENT HUSH IN LIVE ACTION?!?!"
Their brains are melting with every episode
All our brains are
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"Yes mommy." 😘
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It's an Aristotle thing
This is a new series: EFABA
Every Frame A Brain Aneurysm
It has the plus side of sounding liking you're trying to say EFAP while having a brain aneurysm.
EFABAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
OMG this is fucking brilliant
EFAP could also stand for Every Frame A Pizdets.
no, EFAPA
Every
Frame
A
Phucking
Aneurysm
For someone who claims to be better than Batman, she sure is inept at arresting her own sister.
She really should've just tried to subdue her at the start, there.
I think technically she said she was better than Batman because she was there while the actual, real Batman is nowhere to be found, as in trying to fill the hole that Bruce left when he disappeared. Still, doesn't change the fact that she just can't capture Alice for whatever plot reason.
@Elvick The Hammer Of Justice Is Unisex
I'd rather they actually assassinate Batman than assassinate his character for the sake of putting tits on/in the batsuit.
It's so strange, every time Social Justice influenced writing writes "female heroes" they end up as narcissistic callous unempathetic villains.
These are the women they identify with?
These are villains, and it tells so much both ways.
If you try to write a woman that isn't submissive or motherly or a houswife, but do so with an active contempt for those traits, you wind up with the polar opposite. A selfish bitch who can barely take care of herself or work with others.
@@Yayofangamer16 Feminism was always about female supremacy
But the critics will still say it's fantastic and perfect in every way
But you get to look at whamen.
@The Elven Biker Blaming men for womens shortcomings is what got society into this mess.
The only reason to watch this garbage show is to hear you guys react with laughter.
Yea same over here
Even better knowing that if it continues the downward trend in quality, efap minis will mutate into accidental 24h streams at some point.
@@Gainn You require more vespene gas.
Agree this is the best show ever There reactions are better than the whole show
Yes.
I love that she sprayed her 10 million dollar suit with a 5 dollar can of spraypaint. Its a perfect metaphor for this show. Taking an amazingly intricate and well crafted universe and just slap your cheap garbage on it.
"Alice, no Killing! Alice, no Killing Alice, no Killing!"
-Dora the Batslplorer, 2019
"Awwwww woman!"
Alice: You’re too late!
Co signed by bigideas
But unlike Swiper who listens to Dora instead of ignoring her and stealing her stuff anyway Alice ignores Kate and keeps killing.
In the comics, Thomas Elliot is Hush who is one of Batman's most dangerous and smartest villains; they downright ruined a good character just to have some cheap allegory against rich people
@Blue Jay Did you see the Batman Hush movie, if so what did you think of it?
Oh shit I forgot that guy was Hush...
I didn't know I could hate the show more than I already do, guess my expectations got subverted !
@Blue Jay Yeah it was a bad idea to go into that direction
Just to clarify, Thomas Elliott is Hush in the movie, Riddler is Hush in the orginal comic
I know. The moment they said his name was Tommy Elliot, I was thinking, "Wait; that's Hush's name! Is that supposed to be Hush?! That's the worst version of Hush I've ever seen!"
The fact that Kate spent more time with her costume rather than immediately saving the hostages, shows us how truly screwed Gotham is with her around.
In the show beside her sister, has she ever fought crime we have not seen any crime at all cause you know Gotham the most crime infested place in the dc universe.
Luke was fixing the batsuit and Kate was using that time to customize I think?
batwhaman: "I'm not batman.. maybe I'm better"
me: lol nope
rotten tomatoes: get me out of here
reminds me of the "Batman? You wish." moment from last episode.
I cringed so hard on that line I almost broke my spine.
and the line is completely out of context in the scene, one moment ago she was feeling guilty about her failure, "it is my fault, people died because I put the suit on", and one fucking scene later she claims to be better than batman out of nowhere.
@@TheDarklugia123 This is what bothered me the most. This was clearly a remnant from a different version of the script and how the scene would played out because it doesn't make any fucking sense at all given the scene we actually got.
I definitely expected something like this to happen given this is a part of CW, where Supergirl is a better, stronger, more effective hero than fucking Superman (who is constantly telling get so because these women babies need constant gratification), so why wouldn't Batwoman be as well?
But given the scene we got, she's blaming herself for putting on the suit and inadvertantly getting people killed BECAUSE she's explicitly not as good as Batman, yet all of the sudden maybe she's better for LITERALLY no reason at all?
This is like an all time terrible bit of dialogue because it's a colossal fuck up on every level, from the acting and directing to the writing and editing. This basically had to go through every level of the film/television making process and no one said, "Hey, everybody, I don't think this line makes sense being here, in this scene".
You don't even have to remove the line from existence entirely (though you should, Kate Kane Batwoman will never be a superior hero to Batman) from the show, but it absolutely should not have been put here, in that scene, in that context.
@@danieldaw1778 agreed. Also, you can see how fucked up is the writing when you realize that she learned nothing, this was suppose to be an episode where she learns to be more responsible and assumes her own identity, with she failing at the middle and returning for a gran finale,appearing with the red wig and making up for her mistakes (now she has her own identity, she not just Batman's shadow).
But as the plot is presented, she is not responsible and has no mistakes to undo, so when she came back nothing change in her besides her appearance,making the whole scene ridiculous.
Joker: "Give me back my Girlfriend Batman! I need my Harley"Batman: "oh, ok just don't kill anyone for a few hours."Batwhaman logic....
Wouldn't it be funny if Batman said alright and just brought the Joker a motorcycle?
If this was DCEU Joker or Telltales Joker, that line would be accurate to them.
@@azh698 Joker: Bats I'm ... so proud of you.
@@redbigun to be fair jokers does have those moments but its because hes literally insane and goes threw countless diffrent phases sometimes he cares about harley sometimes he sees harley as a tool of violence and nothing more sometimes he sees her as a punching bag and sometimes see her as still his threapist its what makes the joker harley thing actually intresting as its a perfect abusive realtionship example its normally not just straight abuse its peroids of romantic peace followed by bursts of sadism and emotinal or physical violence
"How are they bankrolling this?", their husband's salary obviously.
Best comment of all time XD
O O F
I bet it legit is so.
Next episode: “You’re just like Batman”
Kate: “Yeah, except I’m not a society”
My 5 lowlights of this episode:
1. Batwoman treats Alice's murder spree like it isn't a big deal, and then later lets her walk away after she's killed again.
2. The director doesn't understand the physics of elevator crashes, and has people be thrown into the hallway from the impact.
3. Kate outright saying that she's better than Batman
4. Kate and Luke personalizing Bruce's suit further at a time when they should be scrambling to save the people in the elevators.
5. The writers butchering Hush (one of the best newer Batman villains), making him an incompetent idiot with an insane plan.
How to write a Batwoman villain:
Make the female ones sassy, hypercapable, plot invulnerable psychopaths. Aka, Mary Sue with a black coat of paint. They cannot display any human emotions or concerns, such as uncertainty, anxiety, guilt, fear, distress, frustration (perhaps that they aren't getting their way immediately), or anything that may blemish the otherwise uber-cool-reassurance vibe an actor maintains because they know their character is untouchable in the scene they're in.
Make the men overconfident parodies of the female villains that exude the exact same overconfident reassurance in spades, only to be anticlimactically tossed off the side of a cliff because a lesbian sneezed in their general direction. Even the most intelligent will make stunningly shortsighted life choices at the drop of a hat because the script demands that the villain immediately construct a hostage situation out of thin air.
Facts
Wait, was Rich Guy a pre-existing character?
@@viyhexe131 rich guy is Thomas Elliott a childhood friend of Bruce Wayne in the comics. Eventually Thomas Elliott becomes the supervillain Hush , his goal make Bruce Wayne/ Batman's life a living hell basically. This Thomas Elliott in this tv show is what we call a bitch
@@viyhexe131 Yes, Hush from the Batman comics.
I’m glad this podcast is a thing. Lets me see how trash this show is without actually watching it. It’s great.
You are low key watching it though.
Through them!
I dont have time for no batwoman show, but 10 hour EFAPS, no problem!
But CW isn’t getting ratings, so it doesn’t count.
I honestly didn’t think it would be this terrible. Like, of course it was going be terrible based on the trailer but the writing is next level bad.
I'd like to add that the entire premise of falling elevators is actually not possible. Elevators are fitted with locking mechanisms that snap into teeth on the rail in case the cable snaps. The elevator wouldn't fall more than a few inches. This was perfected in the late 1800s.
Additionally, a runaway elevator would not fall. A runaway elevator would rise. The counterweight is heavier than the actual elevator in order to prevent a fall, as well as to help the elevator to rise in the first place instead of having to spend extra for engines that would be able to do it all on their own. If the counterweight is heavier, all the engines have to be able to do is run it one way (rising and stopping is torque in the same direction).
@@tibetorona3366 so wouldn't you need engines to pull it down then?
@@PolarisFluff yes but only the difference between the two weights.
Tommy was Bruce's childhood friend, Bruce was Batman when Kate was a little girl, Tommy should be a lot older than Kate.
He also should be a lot smarter and better with guns considering he's Hush; one of Batman's most dangerous foes. When they were kids, he was the one that taught Bruce strategy.
These writers have no idea on what's going on or anything about these characters
@@FHTV19 The weirdest part is that they did enough research to know that Tommy Elliot/Hush likes quoting Aristotle, but didn't bother using any other part of the character.
@@matthewmuir8884 I call that being lazy
@@FHTV19 I agree; I'm just noting that it seems to be a weirdly arbitrary level of laziness. Then again, I suppose it's easier to read a Wikipedia article and then write a bad character than write a good character.
This is unironically one of the most wholesome podcasts on RUclips.
Yeah. You're right. We need some Beuwen boobies to return us to our Toxicity. :p
ur right i feel shitty way too much of the time but this podcast always cheers me up
Dusky the Demon Yes, I agree. I think one of the best moments is EFAP 50, looking at all the community work and the reactions to this “shit” makes me happy. Also, 8:00.
Wayne Dunlap Or when Wolf cameoed in 50-2.
not wholesome enough without Wolf, though.
This "criminal mastermind" is meant to have a genius-level intellect. Hush is introduced and ruined all in one episode of this garbage show!
Not just genius-level: He's supposed to be skilled in strategy to the point where he taught Bruce strategy when the two of them were childhood friends.
@unga Dunga Yeah; before his parents died, he had two friends: Tommy Elliot and Roman Sionis. Both of them came from rich families that were far more dysfunctional than Bruce Wayne's, and both of them grew up to become villains: Hush and Black Mask, respectively.
I honestly think it would be cool if a Batman film had both Hush and Black Mask as villains and explored that part of Bruce Wayne's childhood.
@unga Dunga there is an asylum featured heavily in most batmedia.
Also, of course he had friends, he was rich haha.
@Goat yep the few that dont have mental damage even if its just ptsd or high stress are normally young characters or joke esk characters like booster gold and even then they eventually do to being heros will see or be involved with something so horrible getting out of it unscathed mentally is nearly impossible
"But that doesn't necessarily change any of the stupid" - Analysis of just about any movie these last years
24:35 this has to be the most infuriating scene i have ever seen in a show, She's customizing her batsuit while her family is close to death. Who. Wrote. This.
It'll be more perfect if they cut back to Kate with relaxing music in the background
There’s something in writing called Riddler syndrome, basically a villain that can be easily defeated or captured but isn’t for no reason.
The Riddler Factor is the term you're thinking of. The term was coined by comics blogger, Dave Cambell.
Hmmm... the Riddler is a Batman villain himself as well... interesting to name the writing error after him considering this is Batwhaman being talked about.
UltimateAgent25 yes, that’s what I was thinking of, but yeah, Riddler syndrome sounds better as it’s like temporary insanity.
@Bilbous Bagoda Fuck no, factor sounds way better.
@@SPTX. parameter sounds even cooler
"So, you think Bigideas is your ally?" - An Aristotle thing.
It's a Freudian thing..
Ignorance
"It's an Aristotle thing..."
~ Bigideas The Younger
That's fucking brilliant you massive
Excited to watch the EFAP crew suffer through this garbage.
I love how one of the most common defenses is “it’s not as bad as the trailers portrayed it as”.
It's the only way to gain enjoyment out of this show, laugh at other people suffering this.
Also remember the episode is 45 minutes long so they spared a lot of our brain cells.
@@dusky5535 Proper Jeremy ™
@@dusky5535 its legit worse
I move we change the title of this show to "Badwoman."
Badwoman short
A deadly hostage situation is happening, involving her "love" interest and family, but that can wait! Batwoman needs some time to get her hair done first.
Makes sense
When you put it like that it sounds rather stereotypical/misogynistic to come from this female empowerment show.
It's almost like proofreading your sequence of events is important.
To be fair, she does not know her love interest is one of the people in the elevator.
Some people call him a misogynist, I prefer equal opportunity murderer.
Tommy Elliot is a supervillian in the comics, but in this he's just a joke
He is my second favourite Batman villain and you’re right he is a joke in this. Next step: ruining Red Hood
My god they turned motherfucking Hush into some incompetent asshat who gets tricked easily, has mind boggling horrible plans, and doesn't even know that his stolen Batman killing supergun works better when you shoot the target instead of slap them with it.
The moment they said the guy's name was Tommy Elliot, I was thinking, "Wait; is that supposed to be Hush?! That is the stupidest version of Hush I've ever seen!"
@@stevus23 It'll either be this show or Titans that does that. Given that Jason Todd's already in Titans, it'll probably be that show that does it first. But I wouldn't be surprised if this show ruins Red Hood as well.
First, the new Harley Quinn film ruining Black Mask, now this show ruining Hush; why are both villains that were childhood friends of Bruce being ruined by these adaptations?
@@themacewens Remember when Hush was good enough with a gun that Batman thought he was Deadshot?
Their attack on the rich 1% comes off as shallow considering most of the main characters are financially well off.
Batman: "Joker, stop killing people."
Joker: *Surprised Pikachu*
Joker: *Kills 2 more people.*
Batman: "Nah, it's fine."
Batman: "Bruh."
Thomas Eliot is a Batman Comic villain, Hush, who had an abusive father and a submissive mother. He hated them both and attempted to kill them as a young man, however Thomas Wayne managed to save his mother, resulting in Eliot having a breakdown where he attacked a boy and was sent to Arkam during a time when Scarecrow was a member of staff. In his storyline, Hush teamed up with the RIdler and used his genius level intellect to construct a plot to drive Bruce over the edge, flood him with paranoia of a conspiracy and using various characters from the DC universe to fuck with Batman. On the surface, Thomas was a reflection of Bruce's public persona, but when his identity as Hush is revealed, he's a twisted version of Bruce who resents Bruce for having a simmilar, yet better life then him.
This show's generic, whiny rich kid is not Hush.
So Luke says that this “high powered rail gun” was developed by Bruce Wayne to penetrate the Batsuit if the suit falls in the wrong hands. So Batman developed a GUN to KILL someone if they stole the Batsuit....
Also Tommy Elliot when he was first introduced in this episode did a shhhh sound and I bet some writer in the writers room was like: “Yeah let’s have him shhh Kate when she walks in to reference his comic book counterpart, we’re smart.”
Also the Bat signal is on top of the GCPD so 100+ cops were downstairs and Kate didn’t get any one of them to arrest Alice?!
or neither they went to check by the bat signal was on xD
Oh my god the Shhh really was him hushing her. My god, so dumb.
But the suit also has a defibrilator which would be able to put the Person out of commision
Meanwhile, in a good Batman show (Batman Beyond), the failsafe Bruce has in place in case anyone steals the Batsuit is a switch that can remotely disable the Batsuit and make it almost impossible for the person in the suit to move around while in it. It's non-lethal, doesn't involve guns, and fits Bruce Wayne's crazy-preparedness.
The funniest thing is just last episode they established a difibulator inside the batsuit. Surely something simple like knockout gas or the thing used in hospitals to desusatate patients before an operation??
Tommy Elliot deserve better, he is supposed to be beloved by the people, that is part of his act. and he is supposed to be smart.
"Maybe I'm better"
Wow. The sheer shitshow this has become.
S4ns -- Now, now. Let's be fair. If this show was *truly* 100% woke horseshit, she would have said "I *am* better than Batman." That's she's willing to admit she isn't perfect means she can have a 'character' arc.
@@foxp2483 that is way too much credit you're giving them.
Fritz Philogene II -- Lol. I'm calling this show 99.999% woke horseshit. That 0.001% non-woke, non-horseshit is comprised of a single word.
Become?????
“Just because its bat, doesnt mean its bat” - Dark Knight Tonald Loke
Darkward Punch, Knight of the Caped Crusading Community
which tonald episode of EFAP was that original quote from? it's bugging me and i want to hear it again lmao
This is truly one of the worst shows I've ever seen. I can't believe it's even on TV, let alone will go beyond 1 season......
Soak it in, frens. The Don has surely blessed us with this mess!
@Shadowsafter Can we really imagine what that's like, though? 😆 Just embrace the chaos and enjoy watching it all unfold.
@He Cute Hasn't been renewed yet.
@@MegaSpideyman Damn... why was I thinking it had been? Ah well. Thanks for the correction.
@@hecute4932 No worries, anytime.
Enclave Soldier The Don is far greater than any person.
"Every time I put on the suit people get hurt." Oh gee, consequences for nicking someone else’s stuff! Wow, pretty meta.
What really amazes me is that these writers have no concept of PROFESSIONALISM. They're so far up their own arses, they cannot tell a competent story with real people, hell they don't even know what it looks like. I would love to invite them to my work place, to teach them a few lessons about how people can interact professionally. Men and women judged by what they can do.
Is it weird that I’ve grown to love how bad this show is? I’m so excited for the next season, more excited then I would be for a good show to get another season.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Yeah, I think a lot of us are waiting for that train wreck. I just worry about Drinker's liver and Fringy's sanity. The body and mind can only take so much!
Genuine question:
Have we already seen the show's peak or is there something even more genuinely awful yet to come?
Would they have the effort to make something that horrible we'll be laughing about it for months on end or will it just be bland shit from here on out we won't remember in a year?
And I honestly don't know which would be better or worse. :/
This shit isn't so bad it's good, so I'm guessing it'll be forgotten PDQ after it gets pulled down.
The only way this show is even watchable is in the EFAP format, or something like it. On it's own it's not watchable.
i want more next level trainwrecks like The Last Jedi, Game of thrones Season 8 and Ghostbusters 2016. Hopefully batWAHMAN reaches that peak.
I FUCKEN LOVE seeing all of my favorite franchises burn down, if the salt could be harnessed we could be living in a post scarcity society and be terraforming mars at this very moment.
@@qaztim11 to reach these levels, you need to start as a strong and beloved property and THEN do horrible stuff. The Last Jedi (and the ST) were that painful because the OT (and even the PT) was a thing.
Imagine how meaningless and how nobody would give a shit about TFA, TLJ and TROS if it was a new, independent franchise...
To be honest, I want to see what they will do with her ex-girlfriend now that she's married (omg, can you believe she's married to a mAn ???). I seriously fear that they will try every stupid thing to make her divorce or just get back with Kate in general...
it's CW, there's no bottom to their abyssal depths.
Is it just me or is Ruby Rose’s Adam’s apple getting bigger?
Her heads just getting smaller.
Max Outrage Is it true Hush is going to be in this?
Dusky the Demon
God, I hope not.
@@maxoutrage7270 yup. Savour it.
its just something else she stole from Bruce
We need more Bortman license plates in the gift shop.
I repeat:
We need more Bortman license plates in the gift shop.
hahahah i thought the same thing
Someone explain too the showrunners that the acceleration due to gravity is the same for elevators and the people within them.
@Mi Ke Explain the raft scene. No really, I'm curious.
16:47 EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: This version of the batsuit is apparently so advanced that it can take a .50 AE round from about 10 feet away with literally no sign of impact whatsoever, and this is the same suit that doesn't seem to affect her speed or range of motion in the slightest. The plot of this episode revolved around a guy's scheme to steal a special prototype gun specifically because of it's capacity to shoot through the batsuit.
I want to be sure we all remember just how ludicrously protective the batsuit is...because now, unless every single foe she fights has a railgun, a lightsaber, a powerfist, etc, there is no goddamn way any part of her body besides her chin should be susceptible to harm. Even Iron Man's early suits could at least get scuffed by bullets.
Ya remember when batman loses his adjusted his suit to be less protective but lighter? What a nerd
"Which episode was the worst?" -> The next one. Always the next one. Buckle up.
I hope one episode is good, irrelevant of other episodes just so the crew have to contemplate that the guy who did it has to struggle with adding Batwoman in his resume xD
His episode was great but the series is total bull, maybe he'll and "Batwoman SxEx" only
Sounds about right, I can t wait until episode 4
"Hey-don't-you-dare-to-throw-that-knife-at-me-I-guess-I-could've-moved-but-too-late-now-so-I-guess-I'll-die"
*bleh*
Remember gang,
The critics on Rotten Tomatoes rated *this* higher than *Joker*
Kate KNOWS that her cousin was Batman, and that he just vanished three years ago.
You’d think she’d come to the obvious conclusion that her cousin was killed (because he’s a man and clearly incompetent).
Like... That should be her motivation for the whole season, finding the person who killed her cousin, because there’s no way he’s not dead, because if he’s not, the show runners are going to portray him as an awful person despite literally being a super hero who puts his life on the life for justice.
He might not be dead; he could be kidnapped. That was what they used in the animated film Batman: Bad Blood. Of course, that film, while mediocre overall, was a lot better than this show, and it used Batwoman a lot better.
Matthew St. Cyr
O.K., but the issue is that he’s gone, he was Batman, and her was her cousin, and Kate hasn’t even thought to ask about what happened to him.
@@Laxhoop Oh; I completely agree with you there. I'm just saying that him not being dead, but kidnapped is another thing they could've used.
26:15 That grappling hook that stops the falling elevator... It's connected to a wire, connected to the grappling gun and, she's just holding on to that with her bare hands, right?
That grappling hook should not be able to hold the elevator at all, half of it is not even attached to anything.
@@paleface171 that bothered the hell out of me
This just made my morning for coming out. I love how horrible this show is. I don't know how the show keeps getting worse and worse. It's like every episode the writer proudly goes "this is the worst thing I've ever written" and the next writer is like "hold my beer"
"Sanity is so pedestrian"
*murders many people*
"Oh no feel bad for me I'm having nightmares"
I love this new writing style where they cram material that could last 3 episodes, an entire character arc, or a whole season into 1 episode. Repeating this 22 times will surely work out.
Truly innovative *I APPLAUD IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT*
"Ok Gotham, We need a name for her"
(Pans upwards) "TheFemOppressor"
Harrison Hurd redwig
The She-er terrHer.
The Cate CrusadeHer.
The D*ke Knight.
I like how the show wants to have a indepentent Batwahman as the protagonist but all they talk about the whole time is Batman...
Probably because he's a much more interesting character.
Or how she’s such a strong and independent woman who don’t need a man. Except for the part where she comes in and commandeers the entire operation that a man built up on his own, right down to his codename.
@@vnom84 it's a mystery to me how these people can act so high and mighty when they are literal leeches...
I guess not learning humility and being treated as special snowflake/princess will do that but damn...
Most of the time it's to shit on him, poison the well so that even if Batwoman is shitty, she still looks good in comparison to Batman...
I will point out, in the boxing scene. Yes, she did "beat" him. However, the issue is, this is half the point and also totally wrong. The gloves the guy has on are for practice, you put them on and get someone else to punch them for practice. How you manage to knock the guy over is mind boggling as it means you totally subverted the point of the exercise. So yes, there could only be one "winner", being her. But that's also silly in the same way.
Its funny Ruby Rose can't act because she shows no emotion. The actress playing Alice overacts showing too much emotion. I think they need to find a middle ground.
Why are you talking about Batwoman? Rise's leaks are out!
Disney is cracking down on the leaks with DMCA's and stuff, if you wanna see those check twitter or try discord
Damn
Yeah but the leaks aren't as good as you think it do.
They have been out.
I can’t even imagine what Bruce would be thinking as this all goes on. They’ve made him a pathetic powerless fool because he’s done nothing to prevent or curtail any of this.
He left Gotham to ensure he wouldn't be in this show
Wait; did you say Tommy Elliot? That's the name of the Batman villain Hush! That guy's supposed to be Hush?! That has to be the stupidest version of Hush that I've ever seen!
In the comics, Bruce learned strategy from Tommy Elliot when they were childhood friends. In this show, he's such a joke.
This show wasted Tommy Elliot.
(Spoilers for the comic Batman: Hush)
Tommy Elliot in the comics is an awesome Batman villain called Hush who toyed with and expertly manipulated Batman for months during the Batman: Hush storyline. He nearly kills Batman at the start of the story by sniping his grappling hook in mid air, he manipulates Batman into having to fight Superman, fakes his own death and frames the Joker for the murder, keeps Batman guessing as to what his real identity is, and is overall just a really great antagonist.
Tommy Elliot in this show is a complete joke of a villain. He gets easily tricked by Batwoman, has zero tactical or combat skills (doesn't shoot Batwoman and instead tries to hit her with the gun), and gets taken out in one episode. What an absolute waste of this character.
The real movement question is how Alice gets on the rooftop behind Tommy in order to save Kate. The elevators are still nonfunctional/exploded, and we don't see any sort of indication that she has tower-scaling grappling hook or other gear. Yet there she is, unseen and behind Eliot seconds after Batwoman grapples up.
"What happens when your enemies start to kill real people in order to draw you out?" If they wanted to convince us that Kate cares about people that _might_ be killed as a consequence of her actions, then maybe they shouldn't have shown her perfectly willing to let her insane serial-killer sister run free.
Unsurprisingly, elevators are designed to not fall and kill everyone if the cables snap. There have been only three occasions in US history where these safety features failed, and all of them involved crashing a plane into the building.
LOL
Wait it just dawned on me Batmans been gone for 3 years. Where did all his rogues go? did they just all decide to up and leave when gotham lost the one person that could stop them?
He's been gone three years!? Bullshit his rogues would be ont that shit in 3 days
at least the joker will banish too, joker's motivation is only to figth batman, if batman banish, the joker wont have a motive to do what he do. that happened alredy in a comic xD
@@poijnve3912 I would assume if he was out of Arkham, he would spend a few weeks causing mayhem then just go into depression. But I guess KC, pingu, deadshot, Bane don't exist
@@bipstymcbipste5641 No,that is canon, if there isnt a batman, the joker goes full drepession and stop doing crime, even he would start to have a normal live, so even if he was out of arkham he wouldnt cause mayhem beacuse there isnt a point!, there isnt a batman to fight!
@@poijnve3912 doesn't it depend on which one.
Tommy Eliot is the Batman villian Hush and to be as fair as possible I will say this is a poor interpretation of the character.
I knew once they dumped exposition about how high the elevator was going that the elevator was going to be a point of danger. It was so obvious.
Batman may not have killed people, but he at least beats the shit out of his Rogues Gallery, then ties them up when push comes to shove.
Batwoman could get thrown off a bridge into Crocodile and Shark infested waters as civilians around her are being gunned down and still be like "pretty please don't kill people oh please, oh please, oh pretty please."
When I saw a new Efap Batwoman reaction. I CLAAAAAAAPED!!!
ATST ATST!!!!!!
Remember B a T w O m A n?
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!
Tommy Elliot is an extremely important character to Batman and Bruce Wayne's personal life and they shoehorned him into this dumb show.
Tommy Elliot knows Bruce Wayne is batman usually, so I guess that is why he is there though doing what he does?
" If you kill someone who has killed, then you are also a killer. Batman’s rule was to never kill anyone. He always wanted to be the bigger man in the room and this quote exemplifies that. It does not matter what someone else does, do not drop down to their level. " ~ Batman
I found this quote through a quick Google search. I clearly, put in more effort than the writers.
Here's another quote.
A hero isn’t always the person who flies through the air and defends against villains. A hero can be any normal person who does the right thing. A hero is someone who puts faith and love in the eyes of the people around them. ~ Batman
"Look, just because it's bad doesn't mean it's bad." - Lord Captain Tonald Loke, Fearless Leader and Founder of the Intellectual Gaming Community.
@@zachgilbert3815 Slice and dice, brother.
Great explanation, though I think an even better one I heard about is that apparently there's a comic book storyline where Superman has a nightmare that Batman finally succumbs and kills the Joker, then turns himself in to the police the next day; leaving Gotham without its defender.
23:58 I literally screamed NO walking on my way to class that someone thought I was receiving bad news.
To be fair, you were
They are trying for HUSH but are impossibly incompetent.
I just love how you guys slowly lose sanity throught the whole episode LOL
Let's hope we won't lose another host of EFAP. One is too much!
7:39 "You just blew a dogwhistle that you can't unblow"
Hehe, silly Batwoman, always getting in trouble because she can't unblow things
Thank god she got blown up in season 2.
"You got a headache" is probably the biggest understatement anyone has ever said to someone who's just been in an elevator that crashed to the ground.
Man: Commits crime
Batwoman: *teleports behind him with batarang* "Its nothing personal kid"
"This is completely personal you cis white male"
@@mpw26 personnel*
So I just did some research (took like 5 mins). The people in the elevator fell 39 stories. the average height of a story is 10 feet so they fell just shy of 400 feet. In a reference book Trauma Anesthesia, the median lethal fall dist. is about 4 stories which means lethality is about 50/50. It only takes a 7 story fall for lethality to increase to 90%. So yeah, there is no way these people fell over 5x the height that almost guarantees death and live to tell it. Good job at bending the laws of physics to your will for the sake of the plot CW writers.
Don't forget that they also shoot through the door and into the alway
1. Grappling hook cannot hold anything like this, literally anything, because it tries to hold it with just two points instead of three. So it'll just tilt in the direction of the free claw and whatever it holds (elevator in this case) will slip.
2. The amount of kinetic energy in the falling elevator is: mass times velocity squared. To stop falling elevator you have to negate *ALL* of that energy. Even if the metal cord from that grappling hook and the hook itself are strong enough to do that (in which case they must be made from literal indestructible unobtanium) whatever she attaches her end of that cord must be a solid steel beam or equivalent and whatever she uses to keep the cord attached must be made of yet more indestructible unobtanium.
Don't elevators have gravity brakes so that if they start to free fall they automatically stop?
Yes, but only those built after 1853.
If Mauler can rightfully complain about Jon's Wolfo not being hugged in season 8, I think its perfectly valid to drive this point home:
Why is the Kane family so awful? In this universe, Batwoman and Batman are cousins, and after Bruce's parents were killed, his uncle never thought to invite Bruce to live with him and his family? What the fuck?
20:35 Wait, WHAT?! When Alice ranted in the last episode about how she resented her dad for not looking for her, I assumed she meant for eventually stopping the search and assuming her to be dead. I guess it was dumb for me to assume that, because apparently she thought he has spent _literally_ no time looking for her, and that's why she's an insane murderhobo.
I’ve seen PR0N with more subtle dialogue
C. Stokely as Batwoman > Ruby Rose
"My radiant wife"
What Elliot was saying is that he arranged for his parents to die in a car crash so that he could claim his inheritance early. His father died, but Thomas Wayne (a doctor) managed to save his mother. So he was stuck caring for her crippled form for years ago instead of becoming rich. That why he hates the Waynes. And he eventually becomes the villain Hush.
It’s actually a pretty neat villain story, but MAN does this show not know how to tell stories!!!
If she's crippled to the point he has to wipe drool from her lip wouldn't he gain power of attorney and thus have all the money? Hire a nurse to wipe drool. Ugh this show.
Please look up the hush storyline to truly know the full extent of how bad this episode is
The reason they call him a misogynist even tho there’s no evidence of it is because they assume that all guys are misogynistic unless they grovel at their feet
That grappling hook wouldn't even grip that elevator from that angle, it'd slip because none of the prongs on the arms are actually grabbing corners. If it was shot straight through the roof of the elevator it would have pucker the metal outward and the arms could then extend, then the prongs could then grab something while the arms steadied against the ceiling.
They didn't even need CG for this. The movie Descent, a 2005 film, used a rock wall on moving a conveyor belt behind a cage to simulate a descending elevator. What they could have done is filmed her shoot the hook down, and then filmed the hook penetrating the roof. Then they could have taken a wide shot of the elevator and ran a conveyor belt using a matte gray canvas with some bars and beams to simulate an elevator shaft. There was absolutely no need for that to be CG and look that terrible when there was a cheaper and better option available.
Another thing is for that wide shot of her standing on the edge of the building, they could have gone anywhere at night to do that. There are no landmarks, buildings, or moving pieces in the shot, it's a clear night sky. Which makes sense since they're on the largest tower in Gotham which would make it the perfect excuse to actually do this.
Like, what the fuck are you doing?
I appreciate how much detail/effort you put here, i wouldn'tve thought of that. Good on ya. C'mon, try harder to make sense CW!
Dik Dik Even if it didn't slip (because one of the totally uselessly angled teeth still holds on by chance), it would at least have to angle a little around the metal rail it is attached to as the other claw is not attached to something.
But then again, that would be proper representation of physics, and physics is science, and science is a white male construct. Can't have that in a "diverse" show, I guess.
To this show's defense, a woman fell inside an elevator from the Empire State, in the 40s when a bomber crashed, she miraculously survived.
Modern elevators have independent brake systems, elevators have 4 times the nescessary wires to withstand the "max weight" they advertise,space between of the shaft of the elevator and the elevator itself pressures air so that it slows itself down, it's like trying to close a syringe really fast, there is so much fluid and so little calibre that it doesn't fall at terminal speed. So either non die, or some hurt but not all dead. But exploded onto the hallway? No, that's bullshit, they'd be a mess of flesh and metal or would be badly hurt but alive.
"What is this pacing mumbo jumbo you're talking about?"
- The writers of Batwoman
I guess the writers for Batwoman went to the Game of Thrones school of continuity.
She should get vanity plates for her bike of "NTBTWMN" and she can cover the NT when she's in that batsuit.
25:40 Hit her with the gun? You massives, he's obviously trying to pull a James McAvoy and curve the projectile Wanted-style
Except that that at least has a semi-plausible basis in theoretical physics.
I have read a decent amount of Aristotle and I know of no such reference to any concept of friends being the same soul in difrent bodys. Aristotle regarded the soul as distinct he belived that self love was the highest love, and that if you cannot recognize yourself as a distinct and separate entity from your loved ones then your love cant be genuine in the first place.
22:50 Shouldn't modern elevators have like, breaks that work even in cases where all cables are severed?
So not only did they tumble down in an elevator with zero security breaks, they survived it for some reason.
Brakes*
And yes. They have counterweights, too so they pretty much never fall
16:09
I mean that's clearly a dummy, right?
it's also the actual batsuit for the show ..
The Efap "mini" keeps getting longer and longer. More middle for me to enjoy is definetely a win
I guess it's too much for this show to ask, but in the Arkham Games, Batman definitely has a DNA Sequenzer, that allows him to seperate Alcohol from the air, analyze it, so he knows it's Gin, and follow the trace and much more.
The writing in Batwoman is almost like a self aware parody with how dumb it is. This is like the tv show version of The Room.
Hey Mauler, none of you questioned why almost all of the supporting cast were in elevators at the exact same time on the top floor? Was that cut out or did they really just feel like chilling in the vators? Anyway, love the vids, say hi to Fringy and Rags for me!
Thomas Elliot is a Batman villian named Hush (he stole Bruce Wayne's face is in the Arkham games) with a much better backstory, motivation, oh and he's not a complete idiot.
This and the new batman hush animated film really mess up hush's character and backstory
Haven't seen that yet. Just had a feeling.
@@vetrais7965 Oh well, the twist in the movie is horrible
Remember, when in a hurry and under the threat of falling elevators, take time to spray pain a red bat on your shirt, find a wing, and put on some bright red makeup (that will disappear the moment you take off the helmet you're wearing)
I sat there for about 5 minutes afterwards going "Tommy Elliott... Tommy Elliott... I know that name... who was he?"
10 second google search later
"THAT WAS HUSH?!?!? THAT WAS HOW THEY WANTED TO REPRESENT HUSH IN LIVE ACTION?!?!"
I hear you. The moment I heard it was Tommy Elliot, I immediately recognized the name and had almost the same reaction when I did.