Lore-wise, Slayer should have a stacking buff passive like BH's Job Well Done talent, where he gains attack speed or crit chance for a every X amount of enemies that you kill, elites count as two, specials count as three, Chaos Warriors are five, bosses as twenty. Once you reach a certain threshold, let's say 50 kills or whatever determined threshold, you'll gain a stacking 5%-10% damage buff (or whatever offensive stat chosen in the perk tree) that lasts until the end of the mission. That way, he scales hard the longer the mission goes on and becomes an absolute killing machine similar to how a Slayer in the Warhammer lore becomes an absolute force of nature because they simply kill everything in their path, yet aren't satisfied and continue to seek greater challenges until they die. The unfortunate trade-off is that the meme of the Slayer in your party ulting into a Chaos Warrior patrol will become standard practice.
Even now, its just a natural reflex to ult into patrols. No questions asked from teamate if they are ready or have bombs to burn them. My double axe is enough, my braincell is shut and I crave to do something aside smacking trash mobs.
Seeing the patrol is similar to hearing a lootrat. My hands are shaking, little sweat tear coming down my forehead, my cock is hard, heartbeat over 200, and rubbing the handle of an axe with my tensed finger, eyes wide open, screaming "Gangway!" i fly through the sky to my one and only goal in this universe... And get reported by 3 proposterous manling wazzoks for "ruining their ultimate comfortable gaming experience"
Something I always disliked about the dwarf in melee is that it is harder to score headshots with him given his height. Saltzpyre by comparison naturally scores headshots more easily than any other being the tallest. That doesn't sound like much, but it can be an irritant.
another problem with dwarf is the weapons too. a lot of them favor stagger over dps, which just isnt as strong. your best horde clear as dwarf is dual hammers or maybe dual axes, whereas kruber gets stuff like mace and sword.
regardless of slayer's flaws i like him because 1. he's can be very fast, 2. die within seconds because i got too cocky 3. has the best ult voice lines
Just got my 100 slayer wins done, and I really liked him. 40% damage reduction on charge attack and 2h hammer made him suprisingly tanky. And it was fun seeing ragdolls fly all over the place. Biggest problem was flamethrowers and ratling gunners, cause you had no shield and you had to sacrifice 15% power for the only ranged weapon.
I’ve watched others and myself absolutely carry with slayer. While some of his perks do need a rework he is still incredibly strong and if played correctly can essentially solo anything
Slayer definitely could use some buffs here and there, but he never feels underwhelming to play, there is just something about jumping around and having your whole screen red at all times... I think he's one of the worst classes to play on mid to high ping though
I feel like a little grudges system for slayer could be fun. Probably not team wide buffs, but small buff here or there could add a little flavor and add power spikes.
Imho, slayer is still relevant. The class main attraction is (as mentioned in the beginning of the video) his "braindead" hella-fun gameplay. Slayer Deals tons of damage in CQC (dûh!) and combine great damage increase, extra attack speed, and mobility (mainly with an ult that refresh extra fast) He is also quite decent at clutching thx to his "competitive" ult (crunch!), making a rescue on a friendly easy enough. Having some clutch potential and the ability to make a lot of room for your ranged specialist still makes him viable in a team on High difficulty (up to cata. I don't play moded so I can not argue about it)...). Now the main drawbacks about slayer are (yes, plurial...) that he needs a lot of help with specials, and altho still viable, he is out shined by other more recent careers... Slayer is also quite difficult to master, as the line to deal maximum damage while still being able to survive is quite slim... But he has a few competitiv builds (which i won't go into details in this comment) that still make him able to be among (if not) the top damage dealer(s) in the team. And his straight forward simple gameplay is a nice breath of fresh air. Some of the best slayers I have played with are down right scary (But then again, a great player can make every class looks scary). His talents are indeed "old" and he did not aged as well as, for exemple a Merc who still is very competitive just based on the sheer volume of team support he brings to the table. Yet, he still has a point. This is ofc just my humble opinion, and everyone is free to disagree with me x)
Definitely agree Slayer is fun but some skills are very underwhelming, barge is good if you're surrounded but not only does it only work with the smaller enemies but because they're small you may as well just take them out completely
Slayer can be an insane Mob, Elite and mixed crowd clearer. I used to run Cog hammer with Great Axe, but much prefer Great Hamer + Great Axe. Once you get used to a two handed play style. Talents: 2, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3 (can switch from No Escape to Crunch if you want the extra stagger on Cata) You can go Boon over Barkskin if you prefer (making him play a tiny bit like Zealot from racking up Temp HP). Power attacks on Great hammer have a HUGE sweep and especially after a ULT Jump you've got that added Attack speed buff. One swing against a mob will instantly give you 3 stacks on TH and the cooldown boost on your ULT. You also get that immediate 40% Damage Reduction from Grimnir's Focus. Convocation and Tower of Treachery end fights have become a favourite of mine with Slayer (or Warrior Priest). Swing to stagger and send enemies flying, then quick Q to axe to deal with any Elites. Great hammer on it's own will still 2 shot (1 with headshot) a Storm Vermin and 4-5 lights with it will Squash a Chaos Warrior (on Cata).
I agree with everything and I'd also add: make it so slayer's throwing axe reloads faster and make it so whenever you throw axes at the enemies, the more axes they have stuck on them the more damage the slayer does against that enemy, stuff like 5% then 10% then 20%, give him a talent that actually changes his ult or the way trophy hunter works, maybe make it so trophy hunter becomes a +1% power for 2 minutes and it stacks up to 25 and it only triggers when you kill a elite and it resets the timer every time you kill a elite, or something like grail knights quest but instead of of kill x amount of enemies for a potion it's ''kill x amount to get to x tier of the buff'' that makes him tankier and stronger, also he deserves swirling axes, i don't care we already have double axes, we got sword and flaming sword for sienna, slayer deserves a cool exclusive slayer only weapon that is flashy and crazy and super cool to use and axes with chains is as dope as it gets.
Some perk reworks would be great, but I can't say that hes a bad (under powered) class, he also has the ability to take throwing axes, so not really melee only class, unlike the others. I'd say he has all the potencial to be the highest damage dealer on the team.
in term of damage, GK is unbeatable and he is really really far away better against monster because blessed blade stagger monster for all the team and is the best burst in the game with shade and bounty hunter with faster cooldown he is not bad, but its a "second choice", why take slayer when grail knight can tanking with shield, nuke monster and melt absolutely everything in frontline i think its more grail knight need a nerf of damage, not so much but a little bit, because he is too hight in damage with tanking ability
I like playing the Slayer bc he’s fun. Not the best, but fun. He’s also nice to play on Chaos Wastes when you get Xokha’sDuty; the Slayer gets his ability so often that you can keep filling up everybody else’s ability bar by spamming his.
Slayer is always worth playing. Even if he is the lowest skum, i would still play my beer bellied murdering machine. BUUUUUUUT... i agree he needs a rework. Slayer should be the baddest of the badassest mom humping thingys that violates the enemies.
I would love for his throwing axe to be viable in a build for him, but they lock him out of his two most useful talents. I would love it if either they counted it as one handed or implemented some of the talent changes you suggested to make weapon diversity on him a little less restrictive.
I think the Slayer is undefeated in two aspects: Horde/Elite Slaying and Mobility. His Leap and DPS make him into a mobile blender that shreds through armor and flesh alike. Yes, he doesn't have the burst of the GK, or the utility of WP, but he more than makes up for it by the factors I mentioned above. His Leap can stagger enemies, and as you demonstrated in the video, it can also be used to move through crowds, which comes in handy to rezzing allies. Pair it with the talent for greater cooldown rate at high stacks of Trophy Hunter and you become the dawi-equivalent of the Tasmanian Devil.
In terms of Slayer's talents needing a rework, I absolutely agree. However for chaos wastes and overall performance, he is versatile and doesn't fall short when swapping weapons in CW compared to other classes (if you're well versed in the weapons). Slayer always proves to be a reliable wildcard. When it comes to the one-handed / two-handed talent, it's easy to write him off as inconvenient for chaos wastes. However, it's a slim chance you'll be given the latter talent if you pick for example one-handed. Sure it may appear in shrines and chests as an option but don't need to pick it. As for ranged, if you're not using throwing axes, you can close in on long-range specials using your ult, and by playing it smart. A build I normally run will wield two one-handed (which can count as both dual axe/hammers and throwing axes), but I'll take crit talent, giving me an edge in the early missions, and buying the one-handed attack speed talent as I progress, if it appears. Slayer has no specific main selling point other than being anti-elite which means it's often overlooked with all the new classes and easy trigger careers. Yet the base crowd control: stagger, trash/elite mob mix, mobility, it's all there. And with chaos waste boons on top, it'll handle a monster as well as most careers, not to mention stacked hexed patrols. CW has a factor of luck to it and how your build will come about as you progress. But the fact that slayer performs well without relying on buying extra career talents, shows it's naturally malleable for the mode, and has vanilla chad results. Every other class will be praying for additional career talents, Slayer doesn't depend on it, and frees up more flexibility for chaos boons. Not to mention he's great at jumping the invisible walls, cliffs and all-round tricky terrain, to reach downed allies or in some cases even go back for a chest after death. An original gem that continues to punch 👍🏻
the point of slayer.. it's fun... it's for the memes and for the songs bardin sings as a slayer sometimes. "dudududm durudum dud duuum... wrath and vengence, grudge and strife, we marchin' to the AF TER LIFE!"
Slayer is designed to be the ultimate in horde control and consistency in damage across the board. Slayer gains 30-40% damage increase after 3-4 attacks, while Grail Knight only gains his damage through kills or heavy attacks and WP gains it through fighting extremely specific enemies or heavy attacking after multiple light attacks. Slayer also has baseline attack speed and also attack speed when ulting, and is able to constantly ult through Adrenaline Surge, meaning he can keep that buff up constantly, netting him an extra 7.5% to 37.5% attack speed, or obviously up to 62.5% with swift slaying, which would be incredibly easy to proc with the other attack speed bonuses. He's also accidentally more tanky than the other classes with Oblivious to Pain, halving most damage, although he does lack other means of protecting himself, like stamina regen or shield weapons. I would say the hate for Dawi-Drop (increasing damage mid jump from ulting) is only possible if you actually take that talent...Slayer is much better at fighting hordes and patrols, so its much better to actually use the talents that amplify his ability in his own field of expertise instead of the very slight increase in capability against something he is already lacking against. Crunch increases his ability to control a horde by stunning a large area, and No Escape lets him move around a battlefield getting from one fight to the next faster than any other class. My personal preference is Crunch combined with Adrenaline Surge to allow him to Ult, do a bunch of damage to the downed enemies, and hopefully get to ult again before they even get to stand up right. He does have a weakness against bosses, where only has the "jump damage" level 30 talent to burst damage them, but its not exactly the point of the class anyways, so he shouldn't be faulted for that. Grail Knight is almost solely designed to be a boss fighter, and Warrior Priest debatably does worse against bosses than Slayer does. Slayer's other weakness is that he has no talent or passive that allows him to fight against ranged specials....at which point I have to bring up the elephant in the room...the throwing axes. Everyones most taboo subject...the Throwing Axes....they make a LOT of sense to be balanced as poorly as they are against the Javelins, if they allow Slayer to do what he does normally, while also being capable of fighting at a range. The only reason Throwing Axes get any hate whatsoever, is because they are for some reason allowed to be used by Vet Ranger, and they are just not comparable against "normal" ranged weapons.
Grail knight has a +25% damage to the first enemy hit passive that stacks multiplicatively with virtue of ideal, which is pretty easy to have 100% uptime on. You left that out, it’s a big reason why GK wins over slayer. GK will always have a massive edge on elite and boss killing, and can manage hordes pretty much on par with slayer. Slayers strong point is hordes, but every class in the game can do that. So what’s the point of bringing him
@@karter969 Grail Knight lacks the speed of Slayer. Slayer with Cog hammer kills Chaos Warriors faster than Grail Knight can, and does more consistent stagger damage to crowds all while maintaining a higher movement speed for kiting.
@@taurvanath GK can 1 shot BODY shot a chaos warrior on cata with exe sword and the right talents. GK also has an ult that can 1 shot chaos warriors roughly every 25-30 seconds. So I dunno where you got that idea from. Yeah slayer can move faster, but so what? Move speed is mostly irrelevant in V2, there is a reason you don’t see anyone running +move speed on their trinket, any why most careers with a move speed talent don’t run it in meta builds. Also cog is a fairly weak choice for slayer, it’s a generalist weapon. That’s suboptimal for a career that allows two melee weapons. Edit: slayer will only move faster than GK if the slayer is running ‘no escape’ or ‘impatience’, both of which aren’t great choices. Otherwise GKs +10% move speed passive means he’s faster most of the time
@@karter969 exec sword is too slow after its most recent nerf. Sure you can use it, but it really hinders your ability to respond to threats in an effective way. Movement speed is also paramount for deal with hordes/elites because it's harder for enemies to get a beat on you. Why block or even push when I can just circle strafe a horde while swinging faster than any other class in the game. In addition Cog hammer offers highest damage vs Swing Speed for slayer, whilst the other weapon can be throwing axes or even pickaxe for increased single target DPS. Slayer's movement speed paired with attack speed make it unique, as it's the only class that can do both at such a high rate. If played right his skill comes back in less than 10 seconds and bolsters this feat even more so. Edit: Every 25/30 seconds isn't good enough. Slayer can do it on demand which is the whole point. Charged heavies from Cog come out nearly as fast as normal swings from Exec, making it ideal for dealing with patrols as its ability to thrash armored targets, while still keeping higher uptime on staggering the horde. Again, if played right Slayer doesn't need to block or even push block. Movement speed and attack speed means a fully offensive strategy is viable.
@@taurvanath what difficulty are you playing on? What you are saying about cog hammer makes sense on lower difficulties but zero sense on higher difficulties. Given an optimal setup with 3 stacks of trophy hunter and +10% chaos and it STILL takes 4 body shots to kill a CW on cata.. lol.. and it’s a lot more if you’re not running skill splitter, which you recommended by using throwing axes smh Here’s a tip, if u want to kill CWs so fast, use 2h hammer or greataxe, their light attacks have better super armour damage, and come out *much* faster. You seem to be really in love with the whole movespeed thing. I’ll say it again, it’s effectively useless. Any player worth his salt can get the same effect with dodging. And btw, cog hammer has a huge slow down effect on each light attack, so it kinda undermines you’re whole ‘move speed is king’ thing. Exe sword is slow yes, but GK can bring a second weapon. It nullifies that problem. There is a reason why almost every meta GK build runs it. Also you’re probably the first person I’ve ever heard saying GKs ult isn’t up often enough. People have been saying since release that it’s a bit unfair. GK beats slayer in everything except *maybe* horde control, which is a problem that even ranged classes barely struggle with these days. Slayer is a worse version in every way.
Priest is a support tank, knight is a frontline burst damage dealer, slayer is a frontline tunnel damage dealer. Slayer has better control over patrols and is much better in patrol killing due to his mobility, resists and overall consistensy. No, he is not the worst of three. Since priest is a tank, we compare slayer with grail and they are the same role, but different approach to the task. I agree slayer has limited options in his build but that doesn't make him any worse. Funwise he is VERY fun career to play imho.
Agreed on patrol killing. On Chamption or below I leap behind the patrol and work your my way back to the team. Slayer also tends to help me hit the leaderboard for monster damage.
I think the slayer vs grail knight problem is less of a career issue than it is a dwarf vs Kruber melee weapon issue. You definitely wannna run 2handed build on slayer and while it is incredibly powerful I just don’t think you’re gonna match mace and sword dps potential. I do think a good 2handed slayer build though tears through lots of elites even better than grail knight does. I agree though he does have some perks that I would like changed but to be fair that’s half of the vermintide careers.
I main slayer, and on cata quick play with randoms I see myself usually doing the most damage amd even the most boss damage. While I agree some of his skills need a rework I would still say that hes so much fun to play of you learn to play him well. Also since most of my time playing thiss game are withour a ranged weapon as I dont run throwing axes, it forced me to learn how to deal with most specials. I'd say the reason ive gotten so good at dodging hook rats, leeches, amd assassins is because I had no tmother options as slayer.
i feel like if someone is taking bardin and not a iron breaker his use is limited, OE normally needs baby sitting, slayers most of the time fly into a patrol and die, and ranger i haven't seen in months. with the power of survivability that is ironbreaker it outclasses all his other careers pale in comparison.
Tbh ib is probably the most limited of the 4 classes I mean oe provides amazing burst damage especially with trollhammer can clear hordes incredibly fast and while lacks armor damage trollhammer and cog hammer make up for that. The ability to have basically infinite ammo or consumables for days is incredibly powerful and mwp is really really good and personally I recommend 1h hammer for melee great thp generator as well as good for hordes and ult is really good. And slayer is like a mid between tank,frontliner,and dps.
Of course there's a reason to play Slayer, to have fun. Theres nothing better than looking at a horde of ratties, leaping in, and coming out as the sole survivor drenched in blood
I'd say I enjoy Slayer the most and played it the most(bar Witch Hunter). My go to weapons are the Gog Hammer, with Swift Slaying and Throwing Axes, with Hunter(because I mainly play with Bots and someone has to kill the Specials in a timely manner, plus Hunter also effect melee damage too.)
My longest playtime on slayer maybe like 400-500hrs. Playing him has become a muscle memory for me. I don't panic with him at all. My fav is Coghammer and Thor Axes. And I use Dawi drop, instead of Crunch because Dawi drop helps me one shot CW on Cataclysm even without the stacks. But he sure does have limited options.
I cant wait for you to cover Darktide when it releases, I wont be able play it since I'm on ps5 but when it eventually releases there I hope to have some knowledge from your vids
My problem is idk why two two handed weapons to take. Great hammer and great axe are very similar. And idk why I need two two handed weapons if they both do very similar things. It’s not very versitle. While I usually have to take 5 percent crit chance talent cuz I like great hammer and one handed hammer for blocking
They are slightly different : 2h Hammer main purpose is a horde sweeper. It tosses small enemies around like rag dolls and give a lot of room for team mates. It also generate a lot of THP 2h Axe is best used against armored (counter intuitive there!) by spamming lights attacks (also counter intuitive) A better combo, if you have the engie dlc is to switch 2h Hammer with the kog hammer. Kog can deal with hordes with more ease that the 2H Hammer, as you have to keep chaining heavies with the 2h hammer, which can be interrupted if you mess up... Slayer usually don't block that often x)
I think he deals plenty of damage, with tons of attack speed. His useless perks definitely need to be fixed though. Whether hack and slash and throwing axes are optimal is debatable but I do think they are kind of an unavoidable necessity. You want 2h and 1h weapons? Must take the crit. You want ranged capability (especially important imo because of grail knight and warrior priest being so popular)? Must take the throwing axes. Imagine if Grail Knight got Sister of the Thorn Javelins. You would have to fucking take that shit as secondary, no way. Having your class be melee only doesn't matter 95% of the time but the 5% it does is game losing scenarios. I also feel like the game is balanced around everyone having a ranged weapon, especially on higher difficulties Btw, I've been enjoying these videos alot, short and interesting topics. Usually Vermintide gameplay is a bit too long winded and quiet. These are nice.
If you stack power buffs (enhanced power, the 2 handed talent, power vs chaos + armored on charm, power vs chaos on 2 handed hammer) with high tally slayer becomes insane. For Cataclysm you can switch enhanced power for mainstay, because most foes will require multiple hits.
Nah it is not forgotten at least not by me my main is Slayer and Ironbreaker I bought the game at first week of its release just for the Slayer. Now My Slayer is 35+400 levels unlocked every red item of Slayer. I love my Slayer build it is a Skaven, Rat, Chaos, Lawn Mower. I can pretty much take down two Skaven Hordes by myself. So team will have time to kill ranged enemies
definitely agree that slayer needs some work (particularly with dependency on adrenaline surge and lack of a good horde clear weapon like mace and sword), but i really dont think hack and slash is as bad as people make it out to be. its great with swift slaying and stacked crit chance for a 20% chance to proc ss. it also gives slayer some benefits to running mixed builds, which are generally the most versatile and maybe even the strongest of his options. that being said, i think the only real "point" to playing slayer over other melee careers is the far superior mobility and the ability to control hordes really easily with a greathammer, not that those are super compelling strengths. he also maintains decent dps and survivability, whereas gk and wp only really specialize in one of those.
I’d say the short duration of trophy hunter isn’t much of an issue because it costs no ammo and regenerates the stacks in 2 swings since the damage applies to the hit that generated the stack.
I've only ever seen one effective use for Barge. When using a warpick (heavy attack) its pretty handy to be able to dodge close up attacks and not be body blocked by nearby nasties.
For some buffs (or changes, in the case of the level 20 talents) to slayer's talents, here's a few ideas. I'm gonna try to keep them somewhat to the name of the talent, however. Trophy Hunter: Killing an elite, special or monster grants a stacking damage buff. Elites and specials grant 1 stack, while monsters grant 2 stacks (Hidden: Lords max out your stacks.; You do not have to kill monsters or lords to get stacks from them, you simply have to be close to them and not dead or downed). Increases damage by 10% stacking 5 times. Stacks last until the end of the mission, or until you die. Hack and Slash: Attacks have 50% more cleave (basically double Merc Kruber's ability Hitting the Sweet Spot). While not as good for dealing with monsters or chaos warriors than the other two (a decision I made mainly because the other two restrict your unlocks), it can make you incredibly good at crowd control, especially with the 2H hammer or coghammer. High Tally: Increases maximum stacks of Trophy Hunter by 3 (to a maximum of 8 stacks). Adrenaline Surge: Each stack of Trophy Hunter reduces damage taken by 7.5%. Barge: Fully charged attacks launch man-sized enemies flying. Distance launched depends on the charge time of the weapon (for example, 1H axe has won't send enemies any where near as far as the 2H hammer). Bit of a meme option, but at least it'd be fun to send enemies fucking flying, and even get you some environmental kills. Dawi Drop: Landing on top of or directly next to an enemy with Leap deals massive damage to them. Cooldown of Leap increased by 50%. Of course, I'm not a professional game designer, so these might be a bit overpowered (for example, Adrenaline surge combined with Grimnir's Focus very well could make Bardin a complete tank, and getting Trophy Hunter stacks on elite kills might cause you to max out too easily), so any ideas for tweaks would be appreciated.
I agree ,but he is still decent, consistent in damage,easy to play for new players , AP for days with dual axes and not bad idea to bring throwing ones . there I would love if we could use them like Kerillian uses javelins ; left to light attack ,right plus left to aim and throw . but yes ,just like Sienna's other 2 specs , slayer needs update .
I pretty much agree While i can't say he offers much to the team, I find he is so much more fun than both GK and WP in a personal standpoint. I cant exactly say why Its just hillarious to run into a horde, and he is still perfectly viable on Cata (All careers are,even the Mediocre ones) Just wish he had some changes to his talents as he has some clear "Best in slot" talents (Adrenaline surge for example) and many of the level 30s feel handicapped over using crunch, You loose out on so much Crowd control, although its hillarious to use Dawi Drop with the pickaxe Barge serves really 0 purpose, whats the point of it? As you mentioned, His Lack of build variety hurts him as you are often locked into very specific builds
Sure, but that does defeat the purpose of playing chaos wastes with him. The mode is completely about choice, and you should be able to exchange weapons without getting penalized by your talents.
I feel like both the *Slayer* and*Engineer* are the two dwarf careers that really need their talents and passives buffed/reworked a little bit, I don’t necessarily think they are underpowered but I do believe they have a lot of unnecessary fat that’s gotta be trimmed. Playing as these two careers is a ton of fun but there isn’t a lot of unique builds you can run on higher difficulties. The onslaught balance mod does this already and adds a lot more build viability for the two careers, if something like that became official then I’d be a very happy dawiri.
Of course it worth it! He is much more mobile than other 2 melee only dudes. It's like "u cannot shoot with a weapon, but u can shoot with yourself" Bardins's melee weapon is very good in terms of damage, but bit slower than other classes. And slayer fixs it. Yeah, his buff not lasts too long, but hey, it lasts all time we fightning. His only downside - no support for team, and this is bad, really bad. Specially if we notice how awesome Grail knights quests are, or how strong warrior priest ability. Good horde clean, good elite kill, ok special kill (all but fat windy guy), ok boss kill. In hands of a good player slayer is a true beast and can carry his team But after all... We play for fun, right? I think this is funny to feel like Gotrek (demo-version, but still).
if you get lucky on perks Slayer can be nuts fun to play with thats true on all classes but one game I was getting 30 percent cooldown reduction and the 20 percent buff to attack speed based on your cooldown of your ult. I think we had the 10 percnet cooldown reduction perk as well. when i used my ult it was just a double axe windmill probably 300+ rpm and the zombies were just ragdolling everywhere.
trophy hunter should start slayer at higher than base damage and increase by A LOT based on stacks, to compensate, he should take more damage than normal. This fulfills his berserker fantasy while also making him a skill based melee fighter that has high risk high reward
well, I mainly play slayer with dual hammers and dual axes because I can just spam hit at the speed of light and with the right buff (like the one increasing jump reload by 4% every crit) I can almost jump non stop during fights I use this combination : - slayer's fury - a thousand cut - enhanced power - adrenaline surge - oblivious pain (because I almost solo every monster in this game ... except rat ogre) - and no escape (because I sometime need to save an elf from assassins or other) I did not play in the 2 highests difficulties because ... skill issues, whatever the class, so I can't speak for the slayer's viability in this case. I'm by no mean an expert, I just play like monkey on crack and have a blast everytime I'm slaying.
I'd live to see some buffs and changes but I don't really think he is struggling with the winrate too much. If they ever rework him I think there are just two types of playstyle that seem viable: Leaning into him working up more and more buffs the longer he fights making him the frontliner you want when there is just too much coming at you at once or being that beast slayer who has downtime but then gets his five seconds of fame where he jumps into a mixed horde or on a boss and dismembers it in seconds. Either way I think it's worth leaning into trophy hunter and his ult rather than giving him talents for generic fighting. He could have things like his ultimate getting stronger on consecutive activations and trophy hunter giving a lot weaker but infinetly stacking buff stacks with more consecutive hits on one side and things like massive cleave buffs and additional damage on the first enemy hit during ult, infinite cleave and more damage while jumping and trophy hunter as a stronger but finite ability with charges as his talents. This would give him a very special playstyle with very good strengths but also rather bad weaknesses. One playstyle could become a battlefield god but struggles in the beginning stages of a fight or when the enemies are skirmishing and he can't keep his buffs up. The other could defuse incredibly dangerous situation but needs good timing and has little to offer in his downtime. Maybe there could even be a debuff applied with trophy hunter if it isn't in use to balance things and allow for an even more specialized playstyle.
I think youRe absolutly right. Slayer is fun but sadly he is outclassed in any category: As you mentioned GK can outdamage him and be still valuable for the team, while WP offers more Team Value and Tankyness over raw damage. So whats the point of playing Slayer anyway if anything he does can be done better. If we would at least get a Damage Buff against Monsters or something. However even then. I still think he might be not worth playing. Maybe he gets a rework after Sioennas 4th Class comes out.
most of my hours on this game I put into slayer and though I don't think he's a bad character, some changes to his talents would be appreciated. maybe some to actually make him better at his job.
I like slayer for the ridiculous amount of stagger his small dual axes give under the ultimate. My build for him can stunlock bosses for 10 seconds, then once again after drinking a potion. And yes, it starts with a grenade while jumping.
I think slayer should focus more on getting stronger the closer to death it gets, but not with permanent buffs like the zealot, but with temporary buffs, that lead to some kind of regeneration over time, making it constantly fluctuate, Slayers in lore seek a death they cannot find, it should be reflected on the playstyle in my opinion
1. Trophy Hunter: yeah increase to 6-10 seconds. While 3-4 hits (to ramp to max) is trivial in most fights, against Monsters (where Slayer shouldn't be bad) Slayer will often have to kite without attacking for several seconds and his effectiveness shouldn't be reduced each time this happens. 2. All L10 talents are bad, _because the reality of Bardin's weapons is they aren't interesting if you pair 2H with 2H._ So I'd love to see all of these talents reworked to various flavors of DPS that don't force you into uninteresting weapon combinations. (With the exception of 1H/DW + ThrowingAxe, as in that case you legitimately get some good variety.) 3. Barge's replacement could help with how melee-only teams are worse against Specials. Maybe, _"Leap also reduces damage taken by 50%, and if someone is disabled Leap's cooldown is reset."_ Basically a talent that's pretty good as a defense generally, and really good if someone is disabled.
He's definitely one of the weaker classes in the game, not bad just lackluster in most aspects with no reason to ever run over RV or IB in high difficulty, hopefully they do some reworks for Bardin like they did to Kerillian
@@twixtwix2915 Nah, in high high tier content like onslaught and cata 3 etc. I’ve found IB to be very useful as his horde control can absolutely carry a team Though otherwise he’s useless lol, at least the horde control is a lot more useful than just fast attack speed
You can use Dawi Drop with the war pick's heavy charge attack. The damage is absolutely nuts. I actually just started my legendary playthrough on slayer. I'm absolutely loving it. 2h spec absolutely wrecks everything in sight. I use war pick/2h axe. 2h axe has more than enough cleave and the haste buff makes everything fall before you, while being able to one shot anything with the war pick
Seems like a good career to me, its good for horde control way better than other careers mostly because of dual hammers, and dual axes are good also. Maybe Dual axes should be even better against armoured targets. And yes some talents have little to no use
in good hands - strong class, no fun to play with because he eats everything in mediocre hands - normal playable class with sustainable damage in every situation over GK burst or WP which have slower elite killing in noob hands - ground licker conclusion: the truth about slayer is he is noobtrap... fastest pure melee elite killer and sustainable damage in every situation ...i get the point of the video, i have same opinion about Bounty Hunter, for me he is worst career in entire game and have nothing to offer + he is noobtrap
Slayer is the best only melee class. Pickaxe rules. Every people that think not just have long legs and their brain is not oxygened enough at that altitude.And the Dawi drop is hard to use, but with pickaxe you are a monster. Just get good. Slayer with good build and good gameplay can litteraly obliterate eveything : hordes, elites, monsters, specials.
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Slayer is perfect for when I'm on my last 2 braincells and need to become a small, angry, carpel tunnel-inducing wood chipper for a couple of runs
Yeah, it is a good career for if you are wanting to main as a Felix-less Gotrek.
this sum up well, i play him bc i need a character to vent off my anger
Mah dawri
Jumping into Patrols
I hope this stays as top comment
"My mind's telling me nooo..."
I play Slayer because I once let the lobby down as Ironbreaker so I shaved my head and took the Slayers's Oath
Lore accurate
you just gave me an idea.
Lore-wise, Slayer should have a stacking buff passive like BH's Job Well Done talent, where he gains attack speed or crit chance for a every X amount of enemies that you kill, elites count as two, specials count as three, Chaos Warriors are five, bosses as twenty. Once you reach a certain threshold, let's say 50 kills or whatever determined threshold, you'll gain a stacking 5%-10% damage buff (or whatever offensive stat chosen in the perk tree) that lasts until the end of the mission. That way, he scales hard the longer the mission goes on and becomes an absolute killing machine similar to how a Slayer in the Warhammer lore becomes an absolute force of nature because they simply kill everything in their path, yet aren't satisfied and continue to seek greater challenges until they die.
The unfortunate trade-off is that the meme of the Slayer in your party ulting into a Chaos Warrior patrol will become standard practice.
You act like that isn't how slayers are right now too already.
That meme is based of reality (as a slayer i confirm)
Even now, its just a natural reflex to ult into patrols. No questions asked from teamate if they are ready or have bombs to burn them. My double axe is enough, my braincell is shut and I crave to do something aside smacking trash mobs.
Seeing the patrol is similar to hearing a lootrat. My hands are shaking, little sweat tear coming down my forehead, my cock is hard, heartbeat over 200, and rubbing the handle of an axe with my tensed finger, eyes wide open, screaming "Gangway!" i fly through the sky to my one and only goal in this universe...
And get reported by 3 proposterous manling wazzoks for "ruining their ultimate comfortable gaming experience"
you know its always a spectacle when they DO wipe that chaos patrol completely alone without taking any damage or going down.
Something I always disliked about the dwarf in melee is that it is harder to score headshots with him given his height. Saltzpyre by comparison naturally scores headshots more easily than any other being the tallest. That doesn't sound like much, but it can be an irritant.
We Stan our short kings here
That's just you probably. I hit more headshots with Kruber then Kerillian and then Vic.
But when you have most headshots as dwarf then you feel like gigachad
I go for kneeshots enstead. Flawless :D
another problem with dwarf is the weapons too. a lot of them favor stagger over dps, which just isnt as strong. your best horde clear as dwarf is dual hammers or maybe dual axes, whereas kruber gets stuff like mace and sword.
Slayer fun.
I said my piece, Wet.
regardless of slayer's flaws i like him because 1. he's can be very fast, 2. die within seconds because i got too cocky 3. has the best ult voice lines
Just got my 100 slayer wins done, and I really liked him. 40% damage reduction on charge attack and 2h hammer made him suprisingly tanky. And it was fun seeing ragdolls fly all over the place. Biggest problem was flamethrowers and ratling gunners, cause you had no shield and you had to sacrifice 15% power for the only ranged weapon.
that bomb should be mine! always find a bomb, it's his only ranged weapon (other than throwing axe) :D
To me there should be a trinity to these three, grail knight should be burst, warrior priest should be utility, slayer should be DPS
I’ve watched others and myself absolutely carry with slayer. While some of his perks do need a rework he is still incredibly strong and if played correctly can essentially solo anything
He can essentially solo anything, if you turn off special spawns
Slayer definitely could use some buffs here and there, but he never feels underwhelming to play, there is just something about jumping around and having your whole screen red at all times...
I think he's one of the worst classes to play on mid to high ping though
Slayer is objectively the best class in the game, you won't change my mind
I’d try to explain why you’re wrong but I don’t have enough time or crayons
GANG WAYYYY!!
@@karter969 elgi moment
@karter969 you must be so bad at this game man
I feel like a little grudges system for slayer could be fun. Probably not team wide buffs, but small buff here or there could add a little flavor and add power spikes.
Imho, slayer is still relevant. The class main attraction is (as mentioned in the beginning of the video) his "braindead" hella-fun gameplay.
Slayer Deals tons of damage in CQC (dûh!) and combine great damage increase, extra attack speed, and mobility (mainly with an ult that refresh extra fast)
He is also quite decent at clutching thx to his "competitive" ult (crunch!), making a rescue on a friendly easy enough. Having some clutch potential and the ability to make a lot of room for your ranged specialist still makes him viable in a team on High difficulty (up to cata. I don't play moded so I can not argue about it)...).
Now the main drawbacks about slayer are (yes, plurial...) that he needs a lot of help with specials, and altho still viable, he is out shined by other more recent careers... Slayer is also quite difficult to master, as the line to deal maximum damage while still being able to survive is quite slim...
But he has a few competitiv builds (which i won't go into details in this comment) that still make him able to be among (if not) the top damage dealer(s) in the team. And his straight forward simple gameplay is a nice breath of fresh air.
Some of the best slayers I have played with are down right scary (But then again, a great player can make every class looks scary). His talents are indeed "old" and he did not aged as well as, for exemple a Merc who still is very competitive just based on the sheer volume of team support he brings to the table. Yet, he still has a point.
This is ofc just my humble opinion, and everyone is free to disagree with me x)
Definitely agree Slayer is fun but some skills are very underwhelming, barge is good if you're surrounded but not only does it only work with the smaller enemies but because they're small you may as well just take them out completely
you must be a Slayer to play a Slayer.
Slayer can be an insane Mob, Elite and mixed crowd clearer.
I used to run Cog hammer with Great Axe, but much prefer Great Hamer + Great Axe.
Once you get used to a two handed play style.
Talents: 2, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3 (can switch from No Escape to Crunch if you want the extra stagger on Cata)
You can go Boon over Barkskin if you prefer (making him play a tiny bit like Zealot from racking up Temp HP). Power attacks on Great hammer have a HUGE sweep and especially after a ULT Jump you've got that added Attack speed buff.
One swing against a mob will instantly give you 3 stacks on TH and the cooldown boost on your ULT. You also get that immediate 40% Damage Reduction from Grimnir's Focus.
Convocation and Tower of Treachery end fights have become a favourite of mine with Slayer (or Warrior Priest).
Swing to stagger and send enemies flying, then quick Q to axe to deal with any Elites.
Great hammer on it's own will still 2 shot (1 with headshot) a Storm Vermin and 4-5 lights with it will Squash a Chaos Warrior (on Cata).
I agree with everything and I'd also add: make it so slayer's throwing axe reloads faster and make it so whenever you throw axes at the enemies, the more axes they have stuck on them the more damage the slayer does against that enemy, stuff like 5% then 10% then 20%, give him a talent that actually changes his ult or the way trophy hunter works, maybe make it so trophy hunter becomes a +1% power for 2 minutes and it stacks up to 25 and it only triggers when you kill a elite and it resets the timer every time you kill a elite, or something like grail knights quest but instead of of kill x amount of enemies for a potion it's ''kill x amount to get to x tier of the buff'' that makes him tankier and stronger, also he deserves swirling axes, i don't care we already have double axes, we got sword and flaming sword for sienna, slayer deserves a cool exclusive slayer only weapon that is flashy and crazy and super cool to use and axes with chains is as dope as it gets.
Some perk reworks would be great, but I can't say that hes a bad (under powered) class, he also has the ability to take throwing axes, so not really melee only class, unlike the others. I'd say he has all the potencial to be the highest damage dealer on the team.
in term of damage, GK is unbeatable
and he is really really far away better against monster because blessed blade stagger monster for all the team and is the best burst in the game with shade and bounty hunter with faster cooldown
he is not bad, but its a "second choice", why take slayer when grail knight can tanking with shield, nuke monster and melt absolutely everything in frontline
i think its more grail knight need a nerf of damage, not so much but a little bit, because he is too hight in damage with tanking ability
@@lolilol3396 gk doesn’t need a nerf he’s fine. Also burst damage is his specialty of course he’s gonna be a lot better at it.
I like playing the Slayer bc he’s fun. Not the best, but fun. He’s also nice to play on Chaos Wastes when you get Xokha’sDuty; the Slayer gets his ability so often that you can keep filling up everybody else’s ability bar by spamming his.
Slayer is always worth playing. Even if he is the lowest skum, i would still play my beer bellied murdering machine. BUUUUUUUT... i agree he needs a rework. Slayer should be the baddest of the badassest mom humping thingys that violates the enemies.
wetmagic did twist mom after i jumped of a cliff as slayer so i would say 10/10 would play again
I would love for his throwing axe to be viable in a build for him, but they lock him out of his two most useful talents. I would love it if either they counted it as one handed or implemented some of the talent changes you suggested to make weapon diversity on him a little less restrictive.
at the moment of comment it should activate 10% attack speed as a 1h weapon
Yeah 1000 cuts works with throwing axes. At least right now it is.
I think the Slayer is undefeated in two aspects: Horde/Elite Slaying and Mobility.
His Leap and DPS make him into a mobile blender that shreds through armor and flesh alike.
Yes, he doesn't have the burst of the GK, or the utility of WP, but he more than makes up for it by the factors I mentioned above.
His Leap can stagger enemies, and as you demonstrated in the video, it can also be used to move through crowds, which comes in handy to rezzing allies.
Pair it with the talent for greater cooldown rate at high stacks of Trophy Hunter and you become the dawi-equivalent of the Tasmanian Devil.
In terms of Slayer's talents needing a rework, I absolutely agree.
However for chaos wastes and overall performance, he is versatile and doesn't fall short when swapping weapons in CW compared to other classes (if you're well versed in the weapons). Slayer always proves to be a reliable wildcard.
When it comes to the one-handed / two-handed talent, it's easy to write him off as inconvenient for chaos wastes. However, it's a slim chance you'll be given the latter talent if you pick for example one-handed. Sure it may appear in shrines and chests as an option but don't need to pick it.
As for ranged, if you're not using throwing axes, you can close in on long-range specials using your ult, and by playing it smart.
A build I normally run will wield two one-handed (which can count as both dual axe/hammers and throwing axes), but I'll take crit talent, giving me an edge in the early missions, and buying the one-handed attack speed talent as I progress, if it appears.
Slayer has no specific main selling point other than being anti-elite which means it's often overlooked with all the new classes and easy trigger careers. Yet the base crowd control: stagger, trash/elite mob mix, mobility, it's all there. And with chaos waste boons on top, it'll handle a monster as well as most careers, not to mention stacked hexed patrols.
CW has a factor of luck to it and how your build will come about as you progress. But the fact that slayer performs well without relying on buying extra career talents, shows it's naturally malleable for the mode, and has vanilla chad results. Every other class will be praying for additional career talents, Slayer doesn't depend on it, and frees up more flexibility for chaos boons.
Not to mention he's great at jumping the invisible walls, cliffs and all-round tricky terrain, to reach downed allies or in some cases even go back for a chest after death.
An original gem that continues to punch 👍🏻
Slayer is for when you wanna cosplay as gotrek and rip and tear into enemies
the point of slayer.. it's fun... it's for the memes and for the songs bardin sings as a slayer sometimes.
"dudududm durudum dud duuum... wrath and vengence, grudge and strife, we marchin' to the AF TER LIFE!"
Slayer is designed to be the ultimate in horde control and consistency in damage across the board. Slayer gains 30-40% damage increase after 3-4 attacks, while Grail Knight only gains his damage through kills or heavy attacks and WP gains it through fighting extremely specific enemies or heavy attacking after multiple light attacks. Slayer also has baseline attack speed and also attack speed when ulting, and is able to constantly ult through Adrenaline Surge, meaning he can keep that buff up constantly, netting him an extra 7.5% to 37.5% attack speed, or obviously up to 62.5% with swift slaying, which would be incredibly easy to proc with the other attack speed bonuses. He's also accidentally more tanky than the other classes with Oblivious to Pain, halving most damage, although he does lack other means of protecting himself, like stamina regen or shield weapons.
I would say the hate for Dawi-Drop (increasing damage mid jump from ulting) is only possible if you actually take that talent...Slayer is much better at fighting hordes and patrols, so its much better to actually use the talents that amplify his ability in his own field of expertise instead of the very slight increase in capability against something he is already lacking against. Crunch increases his ability to control a horde by stunning a large area, and No Escape lets him move around a battlefield getting from one fight to the next faster than any other class. My personal preference is Crunch combined with Adrenaline Surge to allow him to Ult, do a bunch of damage to the downed enemies, and hopefully get to ult again before they even get to stand up right.
He does have a weakness against bosses, where only has the "jump damage" level 30 talent to burst damage them, but its not exactly the point of the class anyways, so he shouldn't be faulted for that. Grail Knight is almost solely designed to be a boss fighter, and Warrior Priest debatably does worse against bosses than Slayer does. Slayer's other weakness is that he has no talent or passive that allows him to fight against ranged specials....at which point I have to bring up the elephant in the room...the throwing axes. Everyones most taboo subject...the Throwing Axes....they make a LOT of sense to be balanced as poorly as they are against the Javelins, if they allow Slayer to do what he does normally, while also being capable of fighting at a range. The only reason Throwing Axes get any hate whatsoever, is because they are for some reason allowed to be used by Vet Ranger, and they are just not comparable against "normal" ranged weapons.
Grail knight has a +25% damage to the first enemy hit passive that stacks multiplicatively with virtue of ideal, which is pretty easy to have 100% uptime on. You left that out, it’s a big reason why GK wins over slayer.
GK will always have a massive edge on elite and boss killing, and can manage hordes pretty much on par with slayer. Slayers strong point is hordes, but every class in the game can do that. So what’s the point of bringing him
@@karter969 Grail Knight lacks the speed of Slayer. Slayer with Cog hammer kills Chaos Warriors faster than Grail Knight can, and does more consistent stagger damage to crowds all while maintaining a higher movement speed for kiting.
@@taurvanath GK can 1 shot BODY shot a chaos warrior on cata with exe sword and the right talents. GK also has an ult that can 1 shot chaos warriors roughly every 25-30 seconds. So I dunno where you got that idea from.
Yeah slayer can move faster, but so what? Move speed is mostly irrelevant in V2, there is a reason you don’t see anyone running +move speed on their trinket, any why most careers with a move speed talent don’t run it in meta builds.
Also cog is a fairly weak choice for slayer, it’s a generalist weapon. That’s suboptimal for a career that allows two melee weapons.
Edit: slayer will only move faster than GK if the slayer is running ‘no escape’ or ‘impatience’, both of which aren’t great choices. Otherwise GKs +10% move speed passive means he’s faster most of the time
@@karter969 exec sword is too slow after its most recent nerf. Sure you can use it, but it really hinders your ability to respond to threats in an effective way. Movement speed is also paramount for deal with hordes/elites because it's harder for enemies to get a beat on you. Why block or even push when I can just circle strafe a horde while swinging faster than any other class in the game.
In addition Cog hammer offers highest damage vs Swing Speed for slayer, whilst the other weapon can be throwing axes or even pickaxe for increased single target DPS. Slayer's movement speed paired with attack speed make it unique, as it's the only class that can do both at such a high rate. If played right his skill comes back in less than 10 seconds and bolsters this feat even more so.
Edit: Every 25/30 seconds isn't good enough. Slayer can do it on demand which is the whole point. Charged heavies from Cog come out nearly as fast as normal swings from Exec, making it ideal for dealing with patrols as its ability to thrash armored targets, while still keeping higher uptime on staggering the horde. Again, if played right Slayer doesn't need to block or even push block. Movement speed and attack speed means a fully offensive strategy is viable.
@@taurvanath what difficulty are you playing on? What you are saying about cog hammer makes sense on lower difficulties but zero sense on higher difficulties. Given an optimal setup with 3 stacks of trophy hunter and +10% chaos and it STILL takes 4 body shots to kill a CW on cata.. lol.. and it’s a lot more if you’re not running skill splitter, which you recommended by using throwing axes smh
Here’s a tip, if u want to kill CWs so fast, use 2h hammer or greataxe, their light attacks have better super armour damage, and come out *much* faster.
You seem to be really in love with the whole movespeed thing. I’ll say it again, it’s effectively useless. Any player worth his salt can get the same effect with dodging. And btw, cog hammer has a huge slow down effect on each light attack, so it kinda undermines you’re whole ‘move speed is king’ thing.
Exe sword is slow yes, but GK can bring a second weapon. It nullifies that problem. There is a reason why almost every meta GK build runs it.
Also you’re probably the first person I’ve ever heard saying GKs ult isn’t up often enough. People have been saying since release that it’s a bit unfair.
GK beats slayer in everything except *maybe* horde control, which is a problem that even ranged classes barely struggle with these days. Slayer is a worse version in every way.
The main thing I don’t like about his design is how it pretty much forces you to run 2 single handed or 2 one handed weapons
Priest is a support tank, knight is a frontline burst damage dealer, slayer is a frontline tunnel damage dealer. Slayer has better control over patrols and is much better in patrol killing due to his mobility, resists and overall consistensy. No, he is not the worst of three. Since priest is a tank, we compare slayer with grail and they are the same role, but different approach to the task. I agree slayer has limited options in his build but that doesn't make him any worse. Funwise he is VERY fun career to play imho.
Agreed on patrol killing. On Chamption or below I leap behind the patrol and work your my way back to the team. Slayer also tends to help me hit the leaderboard for monster damage.
I agree with everything you’ve said, but this video is still going in the book
Understandable
I think the slayer vs grail knight problem is less of a career issue than it is a dwarf vs Kruber melee weapon issue. You definitely wannna run 2handed build on slayer and while it is incredibly powerful I just don’t think you’re gonna match mace and sword dps potential. I do think a good 2handed slayer build though tears through lots of elites even better than grail knight does. I agree though he does have some perks that I would like changed but to be fair that’s half of the vermintide careers.
I main slayer, and on cata quick play with randoms I see myself usually doing the most damage amd even the most boss damage. While I agree some of his skills need a rework I would still say that hes so much fun to play of you learn to play him well.
Also since most of my time playing thiss game are withour a ranged weapon as I dont run throwing axes, it forced me to learn how to deal with most specials. I'd say the reason ive gotten so good at dodging hook rats, leeches, amd assassins is because I had no tmother options as slayer.
i feel like if someone is taking bardin and not a iron breaker his use is limited, OE normally needs baby sitting, slayers most of the time fly into a patrol and die, and ranger i haven't seen in months. with the power of survivability that is ironbreaker it outclasses all his other careers pale in comparison.
Tbh ib is probably the most limited of the 4 classes I mean oe provides amazing burst damage especially with trollhammer can clear hordes incredibly fast and while lacks armor damage trollhammer and cog hammer make up for that. The ability to have basically infinite ammo or consumables for days is incredibly powerful and mwp is really really good and personally I recommend 1h hammer for melee great thp generator as well as good for hordes and ult is really good. And slayer is like a mid between tank,frontliner,and dps.
His other careers definitely don’t pale in comparison to ib in fact I’d say it’s the opposite.
Of course there's a reason to play Slayer, to have fun. Theres nothing better than looking at a horde of ratties, leaping in, and coming out as the sole survivor drenched in blood
Slayer is one of my daily basis classes. True, he could use some of rework but i still love him.
Of course! When you die your just fulfilling your slayer oath and not failing!
Me: Sees title
Also me: See’s nearby cliff
Need I say more?
The point is yeeting myself directly into the nearest patrol like a 3ft tubby cannonball
I don't think Dawi's drop needs a rework, because it has excellent break point on one-shooting chaos warrior in body. It has its place and use.
Short kings raise up
I'd say I enjoy Slayer the most and played it the most(bar Witch Hunter). My go to weapons are the Gog Hammer, with Swift Slaying and Throwing Axes, with Hunter(because I mainly play with Bots and someone has to kill the Specials in a timely manner, plus Hunter also effect melee damage too.)
My longest playtime on slayer maybe like 400-500hrs. Playing him has become a muscle memory for me.
I don't panic with him at all.
My fav is Coghammer and Thor Axes. And I use Dawi drop, instead of Crunch because Dawi drop helps me one shot CW on Cataclysm even without the stacks.
But he sure does have limited options.
I cant wait for you to cover Darktide when it releases, I wont be able play it since I'm on ps5 but when it eventually releases there I hope to have some knowledge from your vids
My problem is idk why two two handed weapons to take. Great hammer and great axe are very similar. And idk why I need two two handed weapons if they both do very similar things. It’s not very versitle. While I usually have to take 5 percent crit chance talent cuz I like great hammer and one handed hammer for blocking
They are slightly different :
2h Hammer main purpose is a horde sweeper. It tosses small enemies around like rag dolls and give a lot of room for team mates. It also generate a lot of THP
2h Axe is best used against armored (counter intuitive there!) by spamming lights attacks (also counter intuitive)
A better combo, if you have the engie dlc is to switch 2h Hammer with the kog hammer. Kog can deal with hordes with more ease that the 2H Hammer, as you have to keep chaining heavies with the 2h hammer, which can be interrupted if you mess up...
Slayer usually don't block that often x)
@@TeteBruleeFR what would you take with the cog hammer then the two handed axe?
@@jackruby6696 Just run cog hammer and dual axes. All the damage anf mobility you could wish for.
@@sarumane5380 but I like great hammer
I think he deals plenty of damage, with tons of attack speed. His useless perks definitely need to be fixed though. Whether hack and slash and throwing axes are optimal is debatable but I do think they are kind of an unavoidable necessity. You want 2h and 1h weapons? Must take the crit. You want ranged capability (especially important imo because of grail knight and warrior priest being so popular)? Must take the throwing axes.
Imagine if Grail Knight got Sister of the Thorn Javelins. You would have to fucking take that shit as secondary, no way. Having your class be melee only doesn't matter 95% of the time but the 5% it does is game losing scenarios. I also feel like the game is balanced around everyone having a ranged weapon, especially on higher difficulties
Btw, I've been enjoying these videos alot, short and interesting topics. Usually Vermintide gameplay is a bit too long winded and quiet. These are nice.
If you stack power buffs (enhanced power, the 2 handed talent, power vs chaos + armored on charm, power vs chaos on 2 handed hammer) with high tally slayer becomes insane.
For Cataclysm you can switch enhanced power for mainstay, because most foes will require multiple hits.
Yes, it's fun.
Remember, nothing can hurt you, or your team, if everything else is dead
I agree that slayer needs some reworking. The Tourney Balance Mod does an alright job making him feel a bit better.
slayer players are either absolute demons or hard crutches, no in between.
Potion of speed + ability + speed buffs on weapon and jewelry = increadible amount of fun
Nah it is not forgotten at least not by me my main is Slayer and Ironbreaker I bought the game at first week of its release just for the Slayer. Now My Slayer is 35+400 levels unlocked every red item of Slayer. I love my Slayer build it is a Skaven, Rat, Chaos, Lawn Mower. I can pretty much take down two Skaven Hordes by myself. So team will have time to kill ranged enemies
Slayer small , angry , big bonk hammer = funny little dwarf . Me like little funny dwarf
definitely agree that slayer needs some work (particularly with dependency on adrenaline surge and lack of a good horde clear weapon like mace and sword), but i really dont think hack and slash is as bad as people make it out to be. its great with swift slaying and stacked crit chance for a 20% chance to proc ss. it also gives slayer some benefits to running mixed builds, which are generally the most versatile and maybe even the strongest of his options.
that being said, i think the only real "point" to playing slayer over other melee careers is the far superior mobility and the ability to control hordes really easily with a greathammer, not that those are super compelling strengths. he also maintains decent dps and survivability, whereas gk and wp only really specialize in one of those.
I’d say the short duration of trophy hunter isn’t much of an issue because it costs no ammo and regenerates the stacks in 2 swings since the damage applies to the hit that generated the stack.
Where's Klaus when you need him
Slayer is just fine in his role. Which is trying to die in most glorious manner ever. That's all they are good for anyway.
What's worse is it feels like you would either need an autoclicker script or to give yourself carpal tunnel to play him efficiently.
I've only ever seen one effective use for Barge. When using a warpick (heavy attack) its pretty handy to be able to dodge close up attacks and not be body blocked by nearby nasties.
For some buffs (or changes, in the case of the level 20 talents) to slayer's talents, here's a few ideas. I'm gonna try to keep them somewhat to the name of the talent, however.
Trophy Hunter: Killing an elite, special or monster grants a stacking damage buff. Elites and specials grant 1 stack, while monsters grant 2 stacks (Hidden: Lords max out your stacks.; You do not have to kill monsters or lords to get stacks from them, you simply have to be close to them and not dead or downed). Increases damage by 10% stacking 5 times. Stacks last until the end of the mission, or until you die.
Hack and Slash: Attacks have 50% more cleave (basically double Merc Kruber's ability Hitting the Sweet Spot). While not as good for dealing with monsters or chaos warriors than the other two (a decision I made mainly because the other two restrict your unlocks), it can make you incredibly good at crowd control, especially with the 2H hammer or coghammer.
High Tally: Increases maximum stacks of Trophy Hunter by 3 (to a maximum of 8 stacks).
Adrenaline Surge: Each stack of Trophy Hunter reduces damage taken by 7.5%.
Barge: Fully charged attacks launch man-sized enemies flying. Distance launched depends on the charge time of the weapon (for example, 1H axe has won't send enemies any where near as far as the 2H hammer). Bit of a meme option, but at least it'd be fun to send enemies fucking flying, and even get you some environmental kills.
Dawi Drop: Landing on top of or directly next to an enemy with Leap deals massive damage to them. Cooldown of Leap increased by 50%.
Of course, I'm not a professional game designer, so these might be a bit overpowered (for example, Adrenaline surge combined with Grimnir's Focus very well could make Bardin a complete tank, and getting Trophy Hunter stacks on elite kills might cause you to max out too easily), so any ideas for tweaks would be appreciated.
I agree ,but he is still decent, consistent in damage,easy to play for new players , AP for days with dual axes and not bad idea to bring throwing ones . there I would love if we could use them like Kerillian uses javelins ; left to light attack ,right plus left to aim and throw . but yes ,just like Sienna's other 2 specs , slayer needs update .
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2 years later and the slayer (+ bounty hunter) haven't been changed...
I pretty much agree
While i can't say he offers much to the team, I find he is so much more fun than both GK and WP in a personal standpoint. I cant exactly say why
Its just hillarious to run into a horde, and he is still perfectly viable on Cata (All careers are,even the Mediocre ones)
Just wish he had some changes to his talents as he has some clear "Best in slot" talents (Adrenaline surge for example) and many of the level 30s feel handicapped over using crunch, You loose out on so much Crowd control, although its hillarious to use Dawi Drop with the pickaxe
Barge serves really 0 purpose, whats the point of it?
As you mentioned, His Lack of build variety hurts him as you are often locked into very specific builds
Maybe just don't change weapons when you're playing Chaos wastes as a slayer?
Sure, but that does defeat the purpose of playing chaos wastes with him. The mode is completely about choice, and you should be able to exchange weapons without getting penalized by your talents.
I feel like both the *Slayer* and*Engineer* are the two dwarf careers that really need their talents and passives buffed/reworked a little bit, I don’t necessarily think they are underpowered but I do believe they have a lot of unnecessary fat that’s gotta be trimmed. Playing as these two careers is a ton of fun but there isn’t a lot of unique builds you can run on higher difficulties.
The onslaught balance mod does this already and adds a lot more build viability for the two careers, if something like that became official then I’d be a very happy dawiri.
Its fun what other reason do you neeed?
Of course it worth it!
He is much more mobile than other 2 melee only dudes. It's like "u cannot shoot with a weapon, but u can shoot with yourself"
Bardins's melee weapon is very good in terms of damage, but bit slower than other classes. And slayer fixs it.
Yeah, his buff not lasts too long, but hey, it lasts all time we fightning.
His only downside - no support for team, and this is bad, really bad. Specially if we notice how awesome Grail knights quests are, or how strong warrior priest ability.
Good horde clean, good elite kill, ok special kill (all but fat windy guy), ok boss kill. In hands of a good player slayer is a true beast and can carry his team
But after all... We play for fun, right? I think this is funny to feel like Gotrek (demo-version, but still).
I feel all this micro managing is ruing the feel of the game...
Nice to se a fellow gotrek fan.
If I'm using the Dwarf Slot there's no way I'm not using Ironbreaker or Engineer.
IB with Coghammer is ultimate smoothbrain fun mode.
if you get lucky on perks Slayer can be nuts fun to play with thats true on all classes but one game I was getting 30 percent cooldown reduction and the 20 percent buff to attack speed based on your cooldown of your ult. I think we had the 10 percnet cooldown reduction perk as well. when i used my ult it was just a double axe windmill probably 300+ rpm and the zombies were just ragdolling everywhere.
trophy hunter should start slayer at higher than base damage and increase by A LOT based on stacks, to compensate, he should take more damage than normal. This fulfills his berserker fantasy while also making him a skill based melee fighter that has high risk high reward
well, I mainly play slayer with dual hammers and dual axes because I can just spam hit at the speed of light
and with the right buff (like the one increasing jump reload by 4% every crit) I can almost jump non stop during fights
I use this combination :
- slayer's fury
- a thousand cut
- enhanced power
- adrenaline surge
- oblivious pain (because I almost solo every monster in this game ... except rat ogre)
- and no escape (because I sometime need to save an elf from assassins or other)
I did not play in the 2 highests difficulties because ... skill issues, whatever the class, so I can't speak for the slayer's viability in this case.
I'm by no mean an expert, I just play like monkey on crack and have a blast everytime I'm slaying.
Slayer preforms just like its total warhammer counterpart, give em a 2handed axe and have him kill bosses
Dawi drop is literally used for charge attack for something like pickaxe.
I disagree saying there isn’t a point to slayer he’s an amazing frontliner and he’s pretty tanky making him a very useful ally.
I'd live to see some buffs and changes but I don't really think he is struggling with the winrate too much.
If they ever rework him I think there are just two types of playstyle that seem viable:
Leaning into him working up more and more buffs the longer he fights making him the frontliner you want when there is just too much coming at you at once or being that beast slayer who has downtime but then gets his five seconds of fame where he jumps into a mixed horde or on a boss and dismembers it in seconds.
Either way I think it's worth leaning into trophy hunter and his ult rather than giving him talents for generic fighting.
He could have things like his ultimate getting stronger on consecutive activations and
trophy hunter giving a lot weaker but infinetly stacking buff stacks with more consecutive hits on one side
and things like massive cleave buffs and additional damage on the first enemy hit during ult, infinite cleave and more damage while jumping and trophy hunter as a stronger but finite ability with charges as his talents.
This would give him a very special playstyle with very good strengths but also rather bad weaknesses.
One playstyle could become a battlefield god but struggles in the beginning stages of a fight or when the enemies are skirmishing and he can't keep his buffs up.
The other could defuse incredibly dangerous situation but needs good timing and has little to offer in his downtime.
Maybe there could even be a debuff applied with trophy hunter if it isn't in use to balance things and allow for an even more specialized playstyle.
You play him for the fun and the love.
Why play small angry dawi when you can remove half of a monsters health with two keypresses? (F+hold m1)
I think youRe absolutly right. Slayer is fun but sadly he is outclassed in any category: As you mentioned GK can outdamage him and be still valuable for the team, while WP offers more Team Value and Tankyness over raw damage. So whats the point of playing Slayer anyway if anything he does can be done better. If we would at least get a Damage Buff against Monsters or something. However even then. I still think he might be not worth playing.
Maybe he gets a rework after Sioennas 4th Class comes out.
Having an anti monster perk would definitely suit Slayer.
most of my hours on this game I put into slayer and though I don't think he's a bad character, some changes to his talents would be appreciated. maybe some to actually make him better at his job.
I ran slayer for three hours in pubs last night 🤭
This video just put you in the book
Ive been running him with axehammer and 2-h axe both in normal and CW legend and cata, almost too good stuff.
Thats brave coming from someone who’s within dawi-drop range
What's the point of slayers secondary weapon?
I like slayer for the ridiculous amount of stagger his small dual axes give under the ultimate. My build for him can stunlock bosses for 10 seconds, then once again after drinking a potion. And yes, it starts with a grenade while jumping.
I think slayer should focus more on getting stronger the closer to death it gets, but not with permanent buffs like the zealot, but with temporary buffs, that lead to some kind of regeneration over time, making it constantly fluctuate, Slayers in lore seek a death they cannot find, it should be reflected on the playstyle in my opinion
1. Trophy Hunter: yeah increase to 6-10 seconds. While 3-4 hits (to ramp to max) is trivial in most fights, against Monsters (where Slayer shouldn't be bad) Slayer will often have to kite without attacking for several seconds and his effectiveness shouldn't be reduced each time this happens.
2. All L10 talents are bad, _because the reality of Bardin's weapons is they aren't interesting if you pair 2H with 2H._ So I'd love to see all of these talents reworked to various flavors of DPS that don't force you into uninteresting weapon combinations. (With the exception of 1H/DW + ThrowingAxe, as in that case you legitimately get some good variety.)
3. Barge's replacement could help with how melee-only teams are worse against Specials. Maybe, _"Leap also reduces damage taken by 50%, and if someone is disabled Leap's cooldown is reset."_ Basically a talent that's pretty good as a defense generally, and really good if someone is disabled.
He's definitely one of the weaker classes in the game, not bad just lackluster in most aspects with no reason to ever run over RV or IB in high difficulty, hopefully they do some reworks for Bardin like they did to Kerillian
I mean ib doesn’t actually offer more than slayer if anything he offers less. Although rv is an extremely powerful career so I agree there.
@@twixtwix2915 Nah, in high high tier content like onslaught and cata 3 etc. I’ve found IB to be very useful as his horde control can absolutely carry a team
Though otherwise he’s useless lol, at least the horde control is a lot more useful than just fast attack speed
@@rumbling9879 the attack speed makes some weapons op. Like 2h hammer. His horde clear is what he’s best at.
Surface level arguments that doesn't take potions or synergy from team buffs into account, blocked out of my algorithm for lazy content
The reason why I don't play slayer is that I want to save my mouse.
You can use Dawi Drop with the war pick's heavy charge attack. The damage is absolutely nuts.
I actually just started my legendary playthrough on slayer. I'm absolutely loving it. 2h spec absolutely wrecks everything in sight. I use war pick/2h axe. 2h axe has more than enough cleave and the haste buff makes everything fall before you, while being able to one shot anything with the war pick
Seems like a good career to me, its good for horde control way better than other careers mostly because of dual hammers, and dual axes are good also.
Maybe Dual axes should be even better against armoured targets.
And yes some talents have little to no use
THATS GOIN IN THE BOOK
in good hands - strong class, no fun to play with because he eats everything
in mediocre hands - normal playable class with sustainable damage in every situation over GK burst or WP which have slower elite killing
in noob hands - ground licker
conclusion:
the truth about slayer is he is noobtrap...
fastest pure melee elite killer and sustainable damage in every situation
...i get the point of the video, i have same opinion about Bounty Hunter, for me he is worst career in entire game and have nothing to offer + he is noobtrap
+1 This guy gets it.
maybe the double axes could get another move set.
ABCs boys.
Always Be Chopping
Slayer is the best only melee class. Pickaxe rules. Every people that think not just have long legs and their brain is not oxygened enough at that altitude.And the Dawi drop is hard to use, but with pickaxe you are a monster. Just get good.
Slayer with good build and good gameplay can litteraly obliterate eveything : hordes, elites, monsters, specials.
100% agree and wierd I was thinking the same fucking thing as you upload the video funny