Contrary to looking ugly, the Defender Star Destroyer is one of the coolest ship designs I've seen period. Very memorable, sleek, and I love the engine fins. Subjectivity am I right?
@@kmarchery Star Destroyers are called Star Destroyers because they're destroyer... in space. Just like a Star Fighter is a fighter jet in space. A destroyer is just a generic class of ship.
When I saw the original artwork for the ships.....'unpleased' was a understatement. I'm SO glad someone took the time to fix their appearance into what we see now.
Some years before WEG got the SW license, GDW released Supplement 9: Fighting Ships for Traveller. To say the artwork was...atrocious...is really an understatement. Paul Jaquays did the art for that supplement and I see a lot of similarities with the art in Cracken's. Back then, the late 70s and 80s, good artwork was a plus and not the reason we bought the products - we bought the products for the text content and pretty much accepted that the art would be substandard unless it came from someone like William H. Keith (in fact, the Marauder from The Bad Batch has a very, very Keith inspired vibe). I think that the level of quality of the supplements - both writing and artwork - would be substantially different today given the internet and CGI. Not better, not worse, just...different. I guess I'm showing my age when I say I prefer the older products - they had heart and soul where the writer poured his all into it. I can't say that about today's products.
See, I think this does drift into "The Star Wars Universe is too small" to an extent, because, why would a universe with so many millions of cultures have the same 4 sensibilities for "aesthetics." Not everything should look like it's made by Kuat, Incom, Mon Cal, Sinear, or Corellia. Not every ship should "look like Star Wars" because then it gets into problems people had with Prequel ship designs. Those didn't "look like Star Wars" either, but they were mostly made by completely different manufacturers and cultures. ...but I'm punching the the Hapan Battle Dragon designer. I'm sorry, that theme park carousel is the goofiest thing and I wish it wasn't in so many mods.
3:15 The Belarus is a very stylised lounge chair from the 90's with a entertainment system and mini fridge built in, and the wheel on the front is to help you move it around.
I remember being a kid, and being excited to get the first edition of The Essential Guide To Vehicles and Vessels, and being really disappointed by the design of the Ssi-Ruuk ships. If you remember that book from years back, then you know.
Depriving us of your voice crack speed cut. Thanks for this, I've been going through your vids for a house game I'm building up. Tabletop Roleplay game, StarWars based and fleet centric, players are ships in a fleet or small wing. The help in your insight and vids has been immeasurable! May the force be with you
I am pretty sure the ship was just called the "Bakuran Destroyer", the term Star Destroyer, had nothing to do with real-world naval classifications of ship types. This is evident in the Dreadnaughts of the Katana Fleet. Ships larger than that were supposed to have their own unique classification system, with Star Destroyer being a generic term for a huge ship (a super star destroyer was a REALLY huge ship). It was much later, post WEG, that the more Military minded fans started retconning things to fit with their known doctrine, and classifications became much more diverse. (Ah, I remember fondly the old Compuserve debates on this from the late 80s....)
I actually kinda think the Republic class isn’t too bad, it’s stylistically a merger between the Mon Cala ships with their space sea cucumber look and the tower & citadel vibe of the old ISD. The lore seems like it could use work, as written it seems overpowered. The Defender looks Ok, but not as a Star Wars ship. It’d be right at home in Gundam though. It’s no beauty queen, though. At least it’s symmetrical? I think the Belarus is supposed to be taking design cues from the Dornean gunship, but makes a bit of a mess with them. Everything else is either unremarkable or ugly as sin!
The Starhome is pretty awesome, much like with the Enterprise-D I love the idea of a ship being its own mobile little world. However, also like the Enterprise, I would be concerned with its abilities in combat given the bulk and the amount of power going to non vital, non combat systems to support non combat personnel.
Defender Star Destroyer (5:13) looks like something from classic era Gundam. What would this be ... late 1980s? Early 1990s? Japanimation nerd artist! Also, D fighter (6:18) is very much like a classic era Gundam Core Fighter. My guess is that the artist was a fan of some stuff like classic Gundam, Gundam 0083, maybe Char's Counterattack ... this stuff wasn't picked up by the english translated anime industry yet, but there were some importers of (untranslated) videos from Japan, as well as grey market video rental places for tapes just plain recorded off of TV in Japan and mailed over ... some early fan translation script stuff ... VERY early fansubs just starting up ...
Quite a few of them feel more 'Gundam' than SW to me. Defender-class looks like a rejected Earth Federation ship from roughly the Zeta Gundam - Char's Counterattack era. The Endurance-class gives me Zeon vibes, like almost a Musai-class but then again not.
@@Chilling_Chilling Yeah, that's why I was guessing inspiration from 0083. I remember watching an early episode at the Cornell anime club ... this was before fansubs, but there was a fan translation being read by a club member out loud along with the shows. A few years later, I saw fansubs of 0083. So this was right around the transition from VERY small obscure anime clubs in the USA to the early fansub community.
Republic Class Star Destroyer is actually my favorite EU ship. It is basically Victory class redesigned with Mon Calamari armor built by subcontractor. It was unpopular class for many reasons but there are many reasons to like it as well. Crew did not like the hallways and crew quarters to be utilitarian and not the giant waste of space as we are used to in Star Wars (giant bottomless pits on every ship ring a bell?), but I like the look of it, even if it still has the nice big target on it in the form of the bridge. They took whatever worked previously and made it smaller and more efficient. If it came out in earlier eras everyone would go nuts over them, but they were victim of people being too used to comfort and size of Imperium class and even SSDs. I think the artwork in CTD needed to be run trough continuity checks by Lucasfilm at least ten times before being published so it would look more uniform and they could have used better images than just sketches, but I loved the models the moders put into Thrawn´s Revenge.
Honestly, Eck was very accurate with the title. He probably has a little knowledge on fighting since yeah, the area of the mouth is your general area of target in a fist fight, more specifically between the bottom of the nose and upper lip.
Never aim for the mouth. A friend of mine punched a guy in the mouth, somehow got a cut from a tooth and it went full sepsis because human mouths are filthy. Nose or mandible are preferable.
Great video as usual Ek, thanks so much! EaWX's interpretation of all the NR ships in the dossier is really good I feel, and I love that you included footage from the mod. They do a great job at interpreting and integrating key aesthetics and elements that distinguish the ships in the original illustrations with more logical shapes and a common design language. Even the Republic-class looks pretty cool, although I agree that it needs a little more Star Destroyer DNA present in the design. I do enjoy that it's almost like an Imperial-Mon Cal hybrid though. I also adore EaWX's Defender/Nebula and Endurance designs and how they harken back to the more 'civilized' era of the Clone Wars Republic. I agree with you on the topic of Star Destroyer for sure! In my head cannon I've just viewed ships like the Bakura-class as just a 'destroyer' or 'frigate' classes as they are defined in modern naval terminology i.e. long endurance class of escort warship that is equally fast and maneuverable. Similarly in my own head cannon I also view ships like Defender/Nebula and Endurance as proto-Star Defenders-classkind of felt like they were a steppingstone towards the NR's eventual shift to larger warships post-Black Fleet crisis. Thanks again for your great work!
I'm actually a big fan of the Belarus, not juts because of it's unique name, but the little yo yo at the front helps sell it's complete lack of weaponry at the front and really hammers home I think it's Min max to be a great Line ship at the expense of flexibility. I also love the large gun/sensor antenna that stick out forward and the way it slopes back to the blocky engine section.
I think a lot of em could be sold by less wonky-looking drawings, I always kinda figured they had a pile of stuff from a sketchbook and that was mostly what they had by press time. (In more than one sourcebook, really. )
Thumbnail hilarious *especially* during ads cus it’s just Steve down there 5:55 love when a failed starfighter launch takes out the forward tower of my ship
I absolutely LOVE the WEG sourcebooks. To this day I am still part of a group that plays using modified WEG d6 rules (though in fairness I've not been active in some time). The lore, the factions, the details, the stats for things you never knew you needed, and some absolutely bonkers things thrown in for flavor (like the Charon from otherspace). I unfortunately lost all my hard copies in Hurricane Katrina, but I occasionally catch a sourcebook or an 'essential guide to...' at a thrift store, or find one that's been made into a PDF, and I relive all those roles, all those stories, and all that sense of being lived in that the universe has. Meaning it is not all sterile and clean like Star trek, nor is it over the top dark like 40k. You also learn pretty quickly as a new adventurer that stormtroopers will mess you up, and their armor actually DOES work for something. Anyway, love the sourcebook and lore videos. They're among my favorites.
The republic-class one looks great to me lol, especially that 3d model. It's a good meeting point between Mon cala ships and the older Republic or Imperial classes
I've seen that book around but never got to check it out. After seeing all that, I'm going to put forward another theory: the artist was actually a huge macross fan, who still bitter after the whole harmony gold train wreck, decided to port his ideas over to a galaxy that had enough imperial lawyers that he would never have to worry about it again. (Or so he thought) Side note from the game footage. I had no idea that world devastators had anti collision lights lol. I guess the nigh invincible superweapons didn't want any aviation accidents while they strip the living flesh from doomed worlds. Safety first.
5:13 you know what, I kind of like it. The fore reminds me of an Ancient battleship from STARGATE ATLANTIS, and those baffle fins over the thrusters look kinda like something from a GUNDAM anime. I bet they can thrust-vector to make the ship more maneuverable
The Endurance, I'd almost guess, could have been part of the inspiration for the Andromeda Carrier sub-class for Starblazers: Space Battleship Yamato 2202 that came out in 2017 (the carrier variant of the Andromeda has the carrier deck attached aft of the conning tower).
Scaled down and given a glass canopy the illustration of Bakura class would make a nifty star fighter, so much so that I think that's what it was originally sketched as.
I'm less concerned with the weird designs but more with the choice of one name, why on earth call a class of ship Belarus? Did the person who came up with the ship blindfolded him/herself and threw an axe at a map, then chose the first name that it hit and said "no one heard of this country, let's roll with this". I find this choice bizzare.
true, I also hate the name. Real country names would work in Star Trek or Halo, but not in SW. I wish there had been a retcon - I would come up with my oen headcanon name, but I haven't found a good one yet. It's a Loronar product and a successor to the Strike cruiser, so something similar to Strike would maybe work
I remember from legend canon that the new republic fleet admirals had to acknowledge that the imperial star destroyer was a perfectly designed warship, however, they could not just go forward building and using them for obvious political reasons. So they tried to design and commission ships that were basically star destroyers but tried their best to hide it, mixing in Mon Calamari design elements. That's the in universe explanation for the distinct ugliness of the New Republic capital ships.
Justin thanks for your videos as always. Weirdly find myself at the Budapest Airport for several hours today and this video was somehow exactly what I needed in the moment.
The Belarus class honestly looks like someone tried to take the classic Swoop design- the same model used in the ANH special edition- and convert it into a starship. I have no idea WHY anyone would want to do such a thing, but the overall flow of the body shape looks so identical to me that it feels like it can't be a coincidence. Fantastic to see some love for the WEG sourcebooks! Really enjoying this series!
6:50 "No one calls a Providence class a 'Star Destroyer'..." I wish that were so! Regrettably, the onlie begetter, Lucas himself, calls it that in the commentary on Episode 3! And honestly some of these look pretty cool- that Republic class really does it for me Totes agree on the endurance and that claw-bottomed thing
The Endurance's saucer section separates and becomes its own vessel. It's an important development in The Imperium's war against the Cylon and the Goa'uld.
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I can see some design reasons for certain features, like the one where the front section spreads out to shield the hanger bays.. The other being style over substance.. they have a certain style to them. With it being design by committee which makes sense, as the new republic was pretty much constantly bickering and getting nothing done because everyone was out for themselves or their species first instead of the republic as a whole. So a bunch of managers pushing for X feature and making compromises is a very good explanation for the designs being a hodgepodge of ideas slapped together... like many modern military designs were
All those ships have the generic 70s Sci-Fi look to them. They probably just hired a couple of sci-fi novel and magazine artists and told them draw us some ships for a RPG, and just stuck them to the descriptions as they saw fit.
Man I haven't thought about those books in forever. I don't remember much from the other two but I recall bits and pieces from Black Fleet Crisis. I remember having difficulty imagining what a K-Wing looked like from the description, for one.
1:40 So, we are actually getting a few High Republic source books such as "The High Republic: The Lightsaber Collection" and "Chronicles of the Jedi: An Illustrated to the Galaxy's Golden Age", which has me really excited.
space pirates stoned on spice sufficiently to actually believe their ugly type starfighters cobbled together from random existing ship designs in a frankenstein manner is state of the art technology.
Star Wars never fails to irritate me with its absurd lack of automation. You have computers that are able to operate completely autonomously and they are able to calculate hyperspace jumps and other complicated mathematical equations with ease. But BALLISTICS is too complicated? BALLISTICS! They can perform 3 dimensional navigation across tens of thousands of lightyears and at millions of times the speed of light with no issue but can't fucking aim?
Honestly, this is never going to not bother me. Why does every single gun require an organic crew to be effective? Why are droid brains inferior to human brains when they have literally NONE of the human requirements for food, water, or sleep? We're talking about fucking robots, here. They don't get tired or distracted or hungry or thirsty. They can't lose feeling in their legs or their asses. They would be the optimal gunnery crews. Supremely accurate, being able to calculate range, time of flight, required lead, and all the other aspects of gunnery in fractions of a second while a human crew would require multiple personnel to achieve the same task. Why the hell we needing 1,000 fucking gunners on a Star Destroyer? All ya need is the Master Guns and that's it. Just let droids aim and fire when you give Weapons Free.
"No one calls a Providence a Star Destroyer." Except Curtis Saxton and his reference books where he insists the ISD is not a battleship, but the equivalent to a Fletcher or Fubuki in WW2. :P
"Stardestroyer" is a type of ship, like a cruiser or a freighter or a dreadnought. Though I get it, the imperal one is very iconic and most people don't care about naval naming conventions
I mean to be fair, they do just call it a "Destroyer" not a Star Destroyer. The term Star Destroyer at that point in history also has alot of negative connotations too so it makes sense they'd just drop the star, plus star destroyer is basically a ship size class too
On the use of the Star Destroyer title, the essential guide to warfare notes that the name was essentially Kuati branding that became synonymous with a particular size classification in the late clone wars/Early Empire. This the providence was really too early to catch this trend and the New Republic largely avoided the term due to the links with the Empire, hence the use of the Star Cruiser and Star Defender instead.
Somehow this video made me realize just how weird star wars must look to somebody who isn't super familiar. For instance, I know little to nothing about Star Trek, but I've noticed how a lot of the ships in there have that distinct round shape, and are just a bunch of variants of the same ship design, but now Ive come to realize star wars is the same way, just with triangle shapes.
A lot of these designs in that particular source book look much more at home in the Wing Commander series than they do Star Wars. Perhaps that's just a byproduct of the era the books were produced in.
I was not expecting to hear “Belarus” in a star wars video. Seems out of place next to ships named after abstract concepts like “Victory” “Endurance” “Defender” etc.
Star Destroyer is a kind of weird nomenclature to adopt: it didn't exactly redefine an entire era of tactics the way something like the Dreadnought did, or even go so far as something like the Dido class, where it at least has a very specific role. The only reason to adopt a similar name would be if a class of ship is more about being a symbol of fear than an actually effective ship, and the Republic has no reason to do that.
Star Wars: Galaxies introduced a number of love- and hate-inducing ship designs. It was frustrating that they didn't use the X-Wing games' ships, but some of the new SWG ships were inspired. The Decimator and Nova Courier were beautiful and appeared in later EU. The Hutt fighters had a consistent grounded style. But the Black Sun fighters were a jumble of consonants and polygons (the Rihkxyrk grew on you and was fun to fly) and Freedom Station is like a Belarus pointed down.
I will say the Republic class star destroyer reminds me of a mon-cal spin on the venator, which was the predecessor to the isd. While it looks funky, I'd say it might be the closest to being an actual star destroyer on this lost
The Nebula is what a SW destroyer should ideally be. Combining the best in both Imperial and Rebel design and can apparently roflstomp Vong ships with ease. (Bioengineering fanatics coping and seething rn)
i always had the impression that the pictures of all the ships are Tiny, basicly the Opposite of a Fractal Sponge Project And well, if you need to scribble a ship on a 5x3cm Square, you need to make the characteristics to stand out
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These ships looks like something 10 year old me would’ve built out of Lego
When you are trying to use every piece you have
I think we could come up with more believable designs. I know I have, to that end I still have them in a container somewhere.
Same! I call it the rebel interceptor blockade cruiser!
Don't insult 10 year old me, my ships were symmetrical even at age 7 … I made a trek ship with quad nacelles.
Great, you’ve made me like them
"Everyone has a ship design till they get punched in the mouth by Eck."
I think this counts as part of the "Bullying bad Star Wars designs" series.
the Republic class is far and away the best design of the bunch ; but no ways near a good design
Although the 2D designs look weird and wacky, you've got to admit those Thrawn's Revenge versions look pretty awesome!
That Defender Class Star Destroyer looks like it was ripped out of the Covenant's scrapped cruiser designs...
Contrary to looking ugly, the Defender Star Destroyer is one of the coolest ship designs I've seen period. Very memorable, sleek, and I love the engine fins. Subjectivity am I right?
Absolutely agree. Bad worldbuilding. Great art.
Would of made sense as a Rindili or Sorosuub design IMO
Good looking
But strange name choice .
Defender star destroyer.
So
It's defensive
But still ment
To destroy stars n end all life nearby .
😉
@@kmarchery I preferred the Majestic-class, myself.
Rather nicer looking.
And of course, the Nebula trumps both.
@@kmarchery Star Destroyers are called Star Destroyers because they're destroyer... in space. Just like a Star Fighter is a fighter jet in space. A destroyer is just a generic class of ship.
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I know 😉
Just playing with the words 😂
Cheers.
When I saw the original artwork for the ships.....'unpleased' was a understatement. I'm SO glad someone took the time to fix their appearance into what we see now.
Some years before WEG got the SW license, GDW released Supplement 9: Fighting Ships for Traveller. To say the artwork was...atrocious...is really an understatement. Paul Jaquays did the art for that supplement and I see a lot of similarities with the art in Cracken's. Back then, the late 70s and 80s, good artwork was a plus and not the reason we bought the products - we bought the products for the text content and pretty much accepted that the art would be substandard unless it came from someone like William H. Keith (in fact, the Marauder from The Bad Batch has a very, very Keith inspired vibe). I think that the level of quality of the supplements - both writing and artwork - would be substantially different today given the internet and CGI. Not better, not worse, just...different. I guess I'm showing my age when I say I prefer the older products - they had heart and soul where the writer poured his all into it. I can't say that about today's products.
I totally understand, just having some fun!
This is one of the star ship designs of all time
it is very indeed
Captain: it's (hyper)spacin' time!
Yeehss the star sip design is of time
See, I think this does drift into "The Star Wars Universe is too small" to an extent, because, why would a universe with so many millions of cultures have the same 4 sensibilities for "aesthetics." Not everything should look like it's made by Kuat, Incom, Mon Cal, Sinear, or Corellia. Not every ship should "look like Star Wars" because then it gets into problems people had with Prequel ship designs. Those didn't "look like Star Wars" either, but they were mostly made by completely different manufacturers and cultures.
...but I'm punching the the Hapan Battle Dragon designer. I'm sorry, that theme park carousel is the goofiest thing and I wish it wasn't in so many mods.
3:15 The Belarus is a very stylised lounge chair from the 90's with a entertainment system and mini fridge built in, and the wheel on the front is to help you move it around.
Doesn't it's name bother you in a slightest?)
@@senatuspopulusqueromanus2082 The commander of the cruiser Belarus was the famous, mustachioed Admiral Mon-Lukashenko
Jesus. Imagine the ones that didn't make the cut.....
I remember being a kid, and being excited to get the first edition of The Essential Guide To Vehicles and Vessels, and being really disappointed by the design of the Ssi-Ruuk ships. If you remember that book from years back, then you know.
Depriving us of your voice crack speed cut. Thanks for this, I've been going through your vids for a house game I'm building up. Tabletop Roleplay game, StarWars based and fleet centric, players are ships in a fleet or small wing. The help in your insight and vids has been immeasurable! May the force be with you
I've been loving these spicy titles of yours, lol.
0:10 looks like something from gundam specifically something the titans would use
I am pretty sure the ship was just called the "Bakuran Destroyer", the term Star Destroyer, had nothing to do with real-world naval classifications of ship types. This is evident in the Dreadnaughts of the Katana Fleet. Ships larger than that were supposed to have their own unique classification system, with Star Destroyer being a generic term for a huge ship (a super star destroyer was a REALLY huge ship). It was much later, post WEG, that the more Military minded fans started retconning things to fit with their known doctrine, and classifications became much more diverse. (Ah, I remember fondly the old Compuserve debates on this from the late 80s....)
The cloud city flying clown car has some serious competition. Yeh.
I actually kinda think the Republic class isn’t too bad, it’s stylistically a merger between the Mon Cala ships with their space sea cucumber look and the tower & citadel vibe of the old ISD. The lore seems like it could use work, as written it seems overpowered.
The Defender looks Ok, but not as a Star Wars ship. It’d be right at home in Gundam though. It’s no beauty queen, though. At least it’s symmetrical?
I think the Belarus is supposed to be taking design cues from the Dornean gunship, but makes a bit of a mess with them.
Everything else is either unremarkable or ugly as sin!
That mod definitely made the republic class look a lot better and more like it belonged in Star Wars than the original design.
3:12 That front reminds of a Mandalorian helmet.
The Starhome is pretty awesome, much like with the Enterprise-D I love the idea of a ship being its own mobile little world. However, also like the Enterprise, I would be concerned with its abilities in combat given the bulk and the amount of power going to non vital, non combat systems to support non combat personnel.
That Republic Star Destroyer almost looks Romulan...
Defender Star Destroyer (5:13) looks like something from classic era Gundam. What would this be ... late 1980s? Early 1990s? Japanimation nerd artist!
Also, D fighter (6:18) is very much like a classic era Gundam Core Fighter. My guess is that the artist was a fan of some stuff like classic Gundam, Gundam 0083, maybe Char's Counterattack ... this stuff wasn't picked up by the english translated anime industry yet, but there were some importers of (untranslated) videos from Japan, as well as grey market video rental places for tapes just plain recorded off of TV in Japan and mailed over ... some early fan translation script stuff ... VERY early fansubs just starting up ...
Quite a few of them feel more 'Gundam' than SW to me. Defender-class looks like a rejected Earth Federation ship from roughly the Zeta Gundam - Char's Counterattack era. The Endurance-class gives me Zeon vibes, like almost a Musai-class but then again not.
I guess that's why I don't hate them too much?
I like the Albion inspired looking one at 5:12 lol
@@Chilling_Chilling Yeah, that's why I was guessing inspiration from 0083.
I remember watching an early episode at the Cornell anime club ... this was before fansubs, but there was a fan translation being read by a club member out loud along with the shows.
A few years later, I saw fansubs of 0083. So this was right around the transition from VERY small obscure anime clubs in the USA to the early fansub community.
Republic Class Star Destroyer is actually my favorite EU ship. It is basically Victory class redesigned with Mon Calamari armor built by subcontractor. It was unpopular class for many reasons but there are many reasons to like it as well. Crew did not like the hallways and crew quarters to be utilitarian and not the giant waste of space as we are used to in Star Wars (giant bottomless pits on every ship ring a bell?), but I like the look of it, even if it still has the nice big target on it in the form of the bridge. They took whatever worked previously and made it smaller and more efficient. If it came out in earlier eras everyone would go nuts over them, but they were victim of people being too used to comfort and size of Imperium class and even SSDs. I think the artwork in CTD needed to be run trough continuity checks by Lucasfilm at least ten times before being published so it would look more uniform and they could have used better images than just sketches, but I loved the models the moders put into Thrawn´s Revenge.
Honestly, Eck was very accurate with the title. He probably has a little knowledge on fighting since yeah, the area of the mouth is your general area of target in a fist fight, more specifically between the bottom of the nose and upper lip.
Never aim for the mouth. A friend of mine punched a guy in the mouth, somehow got a cut from a tooth and it went full sepsis because human mouths are filthy. Nose or mandible are preferable.
@@johansmallberries9874, I specified between upper lip and bottom of the nose. That’s your general target.
@@johansmallberries9874 ear is a good target.
@@Cru128 Just mash the nose in.
Great video as usual Ek, thanks so much!
EaWX's interpretation of all the NR ships in the dossier is really good I feel, and I love that you included footage from the mod.
They do a great job at interpreting and integrating key aesthetics and elements that distinguish the ships in the original illustrations with more logical shapes and a common design language. Even the Republic-class looks pretty cool, although I agree that it needs a little more Star Destroyer DNA present in the design. I do enjoy that it's almost like an Imperial-Mon Cal hybrid though.
I also adore EaWX's Defender/Nebula and Endurance designs and how they harken back to the more 'civilized' era of the Clone Wars Republic.
I agree with you on the topic of Star Destroyer for sure! In my head cannon I've just viewed ships like the Bakura-class as just a 'destroyer' or 'frigate' classes as they are defined in modern naval terminology i.e. long endurance class of escort warship that is equally fast and maneuverable. Similarly in my own head cannon I also view ships like Defender/Nebula and Endurance as proto-Star Defenders-classkind of felt like they were a steppingstone towards the NR's eventual shift to larger warships post-Black Fleet crisis.
Thanks again for your great work!
One point at 6:20 It doesn't say it's a Bakuran Star Destroyer. It's a Bakura-class destroyer.
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Eck’s thumbnails and titles for his videos are on a different level, and I love it.
He's just waking up and choosing violence and I'm all for it.
Belarus class looks like a mobo front wheel pedal bike with the rider.
“No one calls a Providence a Star Destroyer” except George Lucas, but he doesn’t count
I'm actually a big fan of the Belarus, not juts because of it's unique name, but the little yo yo at the front helps sell it's complete lack of weaponry at the front and really hammers home I think it's Min max to be a great Line ship at the expense of flexibility. I also love the large gun/sensor antenna that stick out forward and the way it slopes back to the blocky engine section.
Would love to see EC Henry take a look at the ships shown in the book and show his redesign for all the ships.
oh yes please. With more lore.
I think a lot of em could be sold by less wonky-looking drawings, I always kinda figured they had a pile of stuff from a sketchbook and that was mostly what they had by press time. (In more than one sourcebook, really. )
Thumbnail hilarious *especially* during ads cus it’s just Steve down there
5:55 love when a failed starfighter launch takes out the forward tower of my ship
Fleet battle
Rebel fleet at Endor vs. Cole’s fleet at Cole’s last stand. With each being commanded by their respective admirals.
Is Viperidae present?
The Endurance looks like someone couldn't decide whether they were designing a Star Wars ship or a Star Trek ship.
I absolutely LOVE the WEG sourcebooks. To this day I am still part of a group that plays using modified WEG d6 rules (though in fairness I've not been active in some time). The lore, the factions, the details, the stats for things you never knew you needed, and some absolutely bonkers things thrown in for flavor (like the Charon from otherspace). I unfortunately lost all my hard copies in Hurricane Katrina, but I occasionally catch a sourcebook or an 'essential guide to...' at a thrift store, or find one that's been made into a PDF, and I relive all those roles, all those stories, and all that sense of being lived in that the universe has. Meaning it is not all sterile and clean like Star trek, nor is it over the top dark like 40k. You also learn pretty quickly as a new adventurer that stormtroopers will mess you up, and their armor actually DOES work for something. Anyway, love the sourcebook and lore videos. They're among my favorites.
The republic-class one looks great to me lol, especially that 3d model. It's a good meeting point between Mon cala ships and the older Republic or Imperial classes
I love how the TR devs smooth out all the edges and make these ships look more refined. Warrior is my favorite ship from the Dossier.
A lot of these ships are really cool! They may not fit very well in SW, but they’re still great designs!
I've seen that book around but never got to check it out.
After seeing all that, I'm going to put forward another theory: the artist was actually a huge macross fan, who still bitter after the whole harmony gold train wreck, decided to port his ideas over to a galaxy that had enough imperial lawyers that he would never have to worry about it again. (Or so he thought)
Side note from the game footage. I had no idea that world devastators had anti collision lights lol.
I guess the nigh invincible superweapons didn't want any aviation accidents while they strip the living flesh from doomed worlds. Safety first.
5:13 you know what, I kind of like it. The fore reminds me of an Ancient battleship from STARGATE ATLANTIS, and those baffle fins over the thrusters look kinda like something from a GUNDAM anime. I bet they can thrust-vector to make the ship more maneuverable
The Endurance, I'd almost guess, could have been part of the inspiration for the Andromeda Carrier sub-class for Starblazers: Space Battleship Yamato 2202 that came out in 2017 (the carrier variant of the Andromeda has the carrier deck attached aft of the conning tower).
Scaled down and given a glass canopy the illustration of Bakura class would make a nifty star fighter, so much so that I think that's what it was originally sketched as.
I'm less concerned with the weird designs but more with the choice of one name, why on earth call a class of ship Belarus? Did the person who came up with the ship blindfolded him/herself and threw an axe at a map, then chose the first name that it hit and said "no one heard of this country, let's roll with this". I find this choice bizzare.
true, I also hate the name. Real country names would work in Star Trek or Halo, but not in SW. I wish there had been a retcon - I would come up with my oen headcanon name, but I haven't found a good one yet. It's a Loronar product and a successor to the Strike cruiser, so something similar to Strike would maybe work
I remember from legend canon that the new republic fleet admirals had to acknowledge that the imperial star destroyer was a perfectly designed warship, however, they could not just go forward building and using them for obvious political reasons. So they tried to design and commission ships that were basically star destroyers but tried their best to hide it, mixing in Mon Calamari design elements. That's the in universe explanation for the distinct ugliness of the New Republic capital ships.
"You won´t catch me dead in that big nosed ship"
Ngl, if I was a new republic admiral, why would I choose anything but a Nebula as a flagship?
You killed me with the extra clip at the end. LMAO
The cover of Cracken’s Threat Dossier looks like a shitpost.
Justin thanks for your videos as always. Weirdly find myself at the Budapest Airport for several hours today and this video was somehow exactly what I needed in the moment.
The Belarus class honestly looks like someone tried to take the classic Swoop design- the same model used in the ANH special edition- and convert it into a starship. I have no idea WHY anyone would want to do such a thing, but the overall flow of the body shape looks so identical to me that it feels like it can't be a coincidence.
Fantastic to see some love for the WEG sourcebooks! Really enjoying this series!
6:50 "No one calls a Providence class a 'Star Destroyer'..." I wish that were so! Regrettably, the onlie begetter, Lucas himself, calls it that in the commentary on Episode 3! And honestly some of these look pretty cool- that Republic class really does it for me Totes agree on the endurance and that claw-bottomed thing
That Bakura class destroyer looks more like a Zeon ship from Mobile Suit Gundam than something from Star Wars
Also the Republic class Star Destroyer reminds me a lot of Zeon's Musai light cruiser...
The Endurance's saucer section separates and becomes its own vessel. It's an important development in The Imperium's war against the Cylon and the Goa'uld.
5:41: Letting the szie differnce beside. Blood hell, looks like a YT-freighter crashed into the superstructure of a Venator
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so sick
A few of the ships look like an AI art program was given Rebel ship art and sneezed halfway through generation.
I can see some design reasons for certain features, like the one where the front section spreads out to shield the hanger bays.. The other being style over substance.. they have a certain style to them. With it being design by committee which makes sense, as the new republic was pretty much constantly bickering and getting nothing done because everyone was out for themselves or their species first instead of the republic as a whole. So a bunch of managers pushing for X feature and making compromises is a very good explanation for the designs being a hodgepodge of ideas slapped together... like many modern military designs were
The Belarus ship is obviously a Soviet style... old, outgunned, terrible in basically every way.
All those ships have the generic 70s Sci-Fi look to them. They probably just hired a couple of sci-fi novel and magazine artists and told them draw us some ships for a RPG, and just stuck them to the descriptions as they saw fit.
Man I haven't thought about those books in forever. I don't remember much from the other two but I recall bits and pieces from Black Fleet Crisis. I remember having difficulty imagining what a K-Wing looked like from the description, for one.
The Star Destroyer designation is so much used thst it just loses it's meaning
1:40 So, we are actually getting a few High Republic source books such as "The High Republic: The Lightsaber Collection" and "Chronicles of the Jedi: An Illustrated to the Galaxy's Golden Age", which has me really excited.
space pirates stoned on spice sufficiently to actually believe their ugly type starfighters cobbled together from random existing ship designs in a frankenstein manner is state of the art technology.
Star Wars never fails to irritate me with its absurd lack of automation. You have computers that are able to operate completely autonomously and they are able to calculate hyperspace jumps and other complicated mathematical equations with ease. But BALLISTICS is too complicated? BALLISTICS! They can perform 3 dimensional navigation across tens of thousands of lightyears and at millions of times the speed of light with no issue but can't fucking aim?
Honestly, this is never going to not bother me. Why does every single gun require an organic crew to be effective? Why are droid brains inferior to human brains when they have literally NONE of the human requirements for food, water, or sleep? We're talking about fucking robots, here. They don't get tired or distracted or hungry or thirsty. They can't lose feeling in their legs or their asses. They would be the optimal gunnery crews. Supremely accurate, being able to calculate range, time of flight, required lead, and all the other aspects of gunnery in fractions of a second while a human crew would require multiple personnel to achieve the same task.
Why the hell we needing 1,000 fucking gunners on a Star Destroyer? All ya need is the Master Guns and that's it. Just let droids aim and fire when you give Weapons Free.
"No one calls a Providence a Star Destroyer."
Except Curtis Saxton and his reference books where he insists the ISD is not a battleship, but the equivalent to a Fletcher or Fubuki in WW2. :P
These titles are getting lit over time
"Stardestroyer" is a type of ship, like a cruiser or a freighter or a dreadnought. Though I get it, the imperal one is very iconic and most people don't care about naval naming conventions
I mean to be fair, they do just call it a "Destroyer" not a Star Destroyer. The term Star Destroyer at that point in history also has alot of negative connotations too so it makes sense they'd just drop the star, plus star destroyer is basically a ship size class too
Reminds me of Gundam series ships. As well other Japanese anime Sci fi ships from 70s-80s. Granted there are differences, though pretty similar.
On the use of the Star Destroyer title, the essential guide to warfare notes that the name was essentially Kuati branding that became synonymous with a particular size classification in the late clone wars/Early Empire.
This the providence was really too early to catch this trend and the New Republic largely avoided the term due to the links with the Empire, hence the use of the Star Cruiser and Star Defender instead.
From Star Wars to Battletech, old, weirdly bad designs getting a modernization to something artfully better made is always a great thing.
Type-D honestly reminds me of 3 irl aircraft. The Kyushu J7W1 Interceptor. The Draken and Mirage 2000C
The Bakura-class absolutely looks like a retooled Musai Final Production Type from Gundam 0080
Thrawn's revenge mod is basically its own game at this point. So cool
Somehow this video made me realize just how weird star wars must look to somebody who isn't super familiar. For instance, I know little to nothing about Star Trek, but I've noticed how a lot of the ships in there have that distinct round shape, and are just a bunch of variants of the same ship design, but now Ive come to realize star wars is the same way, just with triangle shapes.
That version of the Endurance looks like someone got Mon Cala and the Dezarium together to design a ship
A lot of these designs in that particular source book look much more at home in the Wing Commander series than they do Star Wars. Perhaps that's just a byproduct of the era the books were produced in.
come for the Star Wars content, stay for the Ship trash-talk, LIVE for the voice crack montage. LUL
Why is that first ugly ship called the "Belarus" Class? That's so distracting because it's an actual RL country.
I'm so glad I didn't skip the outtro
The Majestic, D-Fighter, and Defender all look like they could've stepped out of a UC Gundam show, and that's not a bad thing
*changes 'guy' in the title to 'rebel'* We all know rebels are scum, not people. and it is good to see eck remember this
Those drawn ones looks like something out of the concept art phase for Homeworlds
I was not expecting to hear “Belarus” in a star wars video. Seems out of place next to ships named after abstract concepts like “Victory” “Endurance” “Defender” etc.
Eck you’re killing me with these titles🤣
I'm pretty sure the Queen Ta'a Chume traveled in the giant castle ship, so several scenes were on the Star Home.
omg that Bakuran thing just looks like a scaled up turret fighter!
I always choose to believe it's 20% more firepower BY DISPLACEMENT.
Never understood how this collection of scribbles got a stamp of approval, lol.
Star Destroyer is a kind of weird nomenclature to adopt: it didn't exactly redefine an entire era of tactics the way something like the Dreadnought did, or even go so far as something like the Dido class, where it at least has a very specific role.
The only reason to adopt a similar name would be if a class of ship is more about being a symbol of fear than an actually effective ship, and the Republic has no reason to do that.
4:40 I kinda like how this one combines standard and mon cala designs
Star Wars: Galaxies introduced a number of love- and hate-inducing ship designs. It was frustrating that they didn't use the X-Wing games' ships, but some of the new SWG ships were inspired. The Decimator and Nova Courier were beautiful and appeared in later EU. The Hutt fighters had a consistent grounded style. But the Black Sun fighters were a jumble of consonants and polygons (the Rihkxyrk grew on you and was fun to fly) and Freedom Station is like a Belarus pointed down.
I will say the Republic class star destroyer reminds me of a mon-cal spin on the venator, which was the predecessor to the isd. While it looks funky, I'd say it might be the closest to being an actual star destroyer on this lost
Feels good hearing you speak all these truths Ecks.
The only New Republic Star Defender designs I really liked are the Nebula Class Star Destroyer and the Endurance Class Fleet Carrier
I love the Nebula, one of my favorite rebel ships.
The nebula looks great in my opinion
The Nebula is what a SW destroyer should ideally be. Combining the best in both Imperial and Rebel design and can apparently roflstomp Vong ships with ease. (Bioengineering fanatics coping and seething rn)
This is what happens when they DON'T steal fan art!
These ship designs look like something that was made for Macross or Star Fox.
exactly! looks like Macross/Robotech inspired, some from the Zentran ships, and some from the Robotech's 3rd gen ships (Mospeada)
I prefer to think that Cracken was bad at drawing but too proud to hire a better illustrator.
i always had the impression that the pictures of all the ships are Tiny, basicly the Opposite of a Fractal Sponge Project
And well, if you need to scribble a ship on a 5x3cm Square, you need to make the characteristics to stand out