@@jamespaguip5913 don’t know much about comics or the silver surfer but based off the Marvel movies I’m sure Dr Strange could survive. He could always just portal away when shit gets serious and he pulled of some major magic fuckery in some of the movies.
You do realize Space Marines can perceive things and think faster than literally any biological being in the universe right it wouldn't be a fair fight in melee we're at rains in Space Marines aren't as brain-dead as received they are actually extremely confident Warriors they just prefer to close and personal with their opponents
It’d be funny to see both sides getting so absolutely confused when they call each other heretics. Like “hey wait a minute that’s our word you can’t say that.”
@@Cynidecia The energy sword is a plasma weapon that most elites are trained in to the point of mastery, and it's designed for 1 on 1 melee combat (which I'm presuming this is) If the chain of the chainsword got severed by the plasma of the energy sword then the energy sword would win 9 times out of 10
@@Cynidecia Energy swords are more equivalent to Powerswords but: chainswords have been shown to stand up to (read: not get immediately cut in half by) powerswords in a few stories. They get gnarled up pretty fast and lose teeth with every strike but they'll hold. For a bit.
@@georgekerscher5355 Well unfortunately it would take money and effort to make new models and races for the Tau. You know money and effort they would have to take away from Space Marines...
@@lordduckofquackTruth did a coup in the middle of a flood outbreak on a Halo ring, around which High Charity was orbiting it was a really stupid idea and had predictable results.
Something I kinda liked in the halo games was how outclassed marines were in almost every encounter, I’ve always remembered getting lost in the silent cartographer and seeing all the landing party dead with no enemy corpses it truly made me realise just how the covenant were blitzing through humanity effortlessly barring speed bumps which is what the Spartans were. And remember the flood and various heresy they committed troops to during the war as well.
IIRC, humanity was actually able to fight fairly well against the covenant on the ground, existing at somewhat of a parody. What humanity didn’t have was numbers and orbital control, because it’s in space where humanity got is shit pushed in
@@khaaneph7311 This basically. Humanity were actually able to hold their own relatively well on the ground because the Covenant more so relied on technological superiority and brute force and obviously humanity has a long history of using ground tactics as a species. Doesn't mean they never used tactics (more for their navy then anything else) but humanity did relatively well on their own on the ground.
@@thotslayer9914 Most usually killed in the glassing. They rarely saved a good amount of people. The reason why the Infinity was made originally was to be a life vessel so that humanity could live on.
Why is it that people always get the marines wrong when they make these kinds on comments? The marines kicked PROPER ASS on the ground. Humanity was losing in SPACE.
In reality, the only reason the Covenant “lost” the war was because the Prophets (specifically one Prophet) said to themselves ‘Now seems like a really good time to try to destroy the Elites.’ And launched themselves into a Civil War between the Brutes and Elites when Earth was literally about to fall and Humanity was going to lose.
“Why yes I do think it’s a good idea to kill off almost all of our military commanders in favor of stupid monkeys literally called Brutes during the climax of a 30 year war against another spacefaring civilization known for outsmarting us.” -the prophet of truth.
I felt this realization too. "The Covenant would just win if they didn't purge the Elites" And in actuality, it's a bit more complicated. The Elites joined the Covenant for the same reasons as the other races, but as time went on they started to question some core principals of the religion. The Prophets kept on spouting their religious jargon, but it came to a tipping point. The Prophets made a first strike at the Elites because if they didn't, they'd most likely just mega lose instantly. There was no "Oh if we just hold off 2 years then we can beat the humans and then curb the Elites", it was go time right there right then.
@@tylerbaker6311 Still, they couldn’t have chosen a worse time: Humanity was about to lose the war. They had just found another “holy ring.” The “demon” was still alive and on the ring. The flood was re-appearing, and latter ON High Charity. I mean……could they have not waited like a month or so?
@@bigj1905 Putting it into the context of the time, the Brutes we're very similar to the Elites, but they didn't question the Prophets. And in some ways they even did better than the Elites. They literally slotted in the Brutes over the Elites into their royal guard, and Tartarus was getting things done very well (Boss Brute in Halo 2). I think that they were in a net neutral, if not net positive gain in power for this move. Another thing that happened was the case of the Arbiter. The Arbiter was a tried and true way of eliminating political rivals of the Prophets, while also getting the best Elite warriors to do their bidding. In a way this is kind of a mini-great schism, because they're constantly sending their political rivals into hopeless situations. With these two points, starting the Great Schism and getting rid of the Elites from the Covenant and striking first is 1. In their nature and goes hand in hand with the system of the Arbiter, and 2. Gives them the most power in the situation. Again, think of a world where the Covenant's council is still half Prophets and half Elites. Once they get to the tipping point of "We're not going to take this anymore", they start allocating resources, they make plans to attack high-value targets, etc. If you don't let them get in that mindset, and wipe out all sorts of authority and command structure, then you no longer have a threat. I like to think of it like a Hitler situation. He could have just finished off the Allies and then turned on the Russians, but due to his nature and the way that they had dealt with Communism and political dissidents, they started a 2 front war. He expected Russia to be a pushover, and it wasn't. I think you can apply the same line of thinking here
@@HolyknightVader999 Considering that the Covenant spend 27 years trying to kill the UNSC and still failed, the War with the Tau would take hundreds of years to complete and most likely would end up in a Tau victory.
@@nobleman9393 The Covenant were winning every major battle with mankind, and would have won if half the Covenant didn't quit on them. Even the most heavily-defended planet could barely put up a fight. Also, it only took that long because the Covenant didn't know where the humans were, due to the humans' retreat patterns being randomized to avoid the Covenant figuring out their locations. If the Covvies had a galaxy map of where the human worlds were, the war would have ended in weeks, not years.
The absolute, GREATEST, example of the Sangheili Honor Code comes from the surveillance footage of a squad of Elites breaking into a barrack, instructing the Humans to dress and steel themselves for battle, waits for everyone to gear up and ready themselves... Then activate their Camo technology and massacred everyone inside... Being better, is not dishonorable.
@@KillerOrca nah they really did tear into a spartan in one book, First Strike. Granted he blew her up by firing his brute shot point blank into her stomach. Brutes are one of the physically strongest beings in Halo, with some chieftains even bodying hunters. The high gravity on their planet made it where they needed extremely dense muscle and bones to even walk upright so they are tougher and stronger than they appear.
@@KillerOrca Brutes are not given enough cred in-game. They are easily stronger than a spartan II, like how Atriox essentially dismantled Red Team in Halo War 2, or how Chief got his ass beat by the same dude despite his fancy new armor and experience. If Spartans were made to rival Elite Zealots and other sangheili troops, a brute chieftain could very easily peel the armor off of one like a banana. They are terrifying and I'm surprised more people don't bring up the fact that Spartan IV's were essentially stronger RvB freelancers put up against miniature King Kongs that easily overpower the Demigods that were the II's. If I were to boil it down, Brutes are to Spartan II's what Primaris Space Marines are to maybe Sisters of Battle in terms of pure, physical strength.
@@donatedorb4094 dude I remember hating brutes in halo 2 for their Arsenal… or lack thereof. They had way too much health, berserked when they got pissed and because this is halo 2 not halo 3, unless they had a plasma rifle, they almost always had a brute shot. And even in 3 where they introduced more weapons they’re still a force to be reckoned. The mauler is a revolver shotgun, the brute shot is as mentioned above, insane. Gravity hammers are “shock hammers but better”the spiker is probably the weakest and it’s still shooting super heated crystals at a high fire rate. Then the vehicles. Choppers are giant motorcycles made to tear through other vehicles, not to mention each one is decked out with duel shot cannons that spit out the same stuff that brute shots also fire.
There’s a tragically low amount of fan art as well, all I can find are some pieces with Master Chief as a marine and some admittedly kickass conversions of Marine minis into Spartans. But by god an animation of an Elite vs an Astartes would be tremendous.
@@pancreasnowork9939space marines board a covenant ship, blast through a lot of the weaker species, then the air starts speaking “AAAAAAWUDUBUP” and suddenly a energy sword finds it’s way through a space marine
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 The both of them are also involved in a past rebellion that made them who they are so they've got plenty of things to talk about too
Also! Also! Personal shields are *COMMON EQUIPMENT* in the Covenant. Elites use them universally, and the Brutes were able to engineer their own variants by the time of Halo Infinite. That's a significant advantage at the infantry level.
And all it takes to shatter them is a few hits from weapons like the assault rifle, the imperium classifies those guns as "stubbers" a weapon so prolific and powerless that it is predominantly used by PDF and civilian forces while the imperial guard meatshields get vastly superior lasguns.
@@KT-pv3kl You don't know how powerful an UNSC Assault rifle is. Each and every bullet is an anti armor round that is fully capable of piecing through a thick layer of a titanium alloy that Spartan armor is made of which said armor practically immune to small arms fire . That thing would turn Guardsmen into Swiss cheese. At best the laz gun is equal to an UNSC Assault Rifle if not there inferior in terms of sheer damage. A charged laz shot would be better but that isn't standard. Besides, literally every sci fi in existence is at least this level if not higher. Even the marines from AvP have light armor piercing explosive runds as standard bullets for ammunition.
@@godofallrealities51 small arms include assault rifles and as you clearly stated the spartan armor doesn't even hold up to such small arms. You really need to learn how to construct an argument because in the very halo universe there are a whole host of "small arms" that can puncture spartan armor. It's quite the opposite of "practically immune" to "small arms". Even the Spartans pistol can damage a spartan in armor and that's as small as small arms get in halo! Also I don't disagree that halo assault rifles are effective against mere guardsmen the Imperiums meatshields. The same is true for stubbers hence why they are comparable.
@@KT-pv3kl Because the standard UNSC weapons isn't your standard small arms that a civilian can get their hands on especially when compared to today's small arms. A Halo Magnum uses a 50 caliber semi armor piercing high explosive. The type of bullet meant to damage armored vehicles. Even the small arms of the UNSC is just barely comparable to the traditional small arms of today. So, what I'm saying is that "small arms" as the one's the UNSC don't use can't damage spartan armor while the UNSC standard "small arms" weapons are more then capable because there that much better, so of course their be plenty of UNSC and Covenant weapons that could pierce Spartan armor because all of them are made to be up to UNSC standards or above. Ok barley comparable is a stretch but still there standards are that of higher calibers and almost always simi if not fully armor piercing.
@@KT-pv3kl those assault rifles fire high density titanium cored high power rifle rounds with 100,000 plus psi chamber pressure (double that of 7.62 nato) at 800 rounds per minute with very high accuracy. Think sabot rounds hitting the same spot 13 times a second. These rounds aren't designed to be one shot penetraters but to cause armor to deteriorate until it fails. Thats why even the battle rifle fires in burst. It hits the same spot with three rounds before the recoil impulse throws any of the shots off target
Absolutely this. Remember that master chief didnt even defeat the covenant, he just protected humanity for long enough for the covenant to have a civil war. The idea that grunts can throw 1 shot grenades is terrifying.
@@Peter_Turbo4 eh not really, the covenant were barrelling towards a mass civil conflict ever since Truth, Regret and Mercy realised large chunks of the religion were a lie and that if the elites ever found out about this it would be the end of the san'Shyyum and the covenant. It was that discovery that triggered the genocidal campaign against humanity in the first place so the first domino had already been knocked over well before chief began interfering.
So what you're saying is. The covenant would stand zero chance in 40k since the factions in 40k actually have militaries that would mop the floor with the covenant alright
the covenant would be amazing in 40k. and on the honor of elites keep this in mind. They assaulted a unsc garrison and before the attack warning was even sounded they were already inside. The marines were still getting on armor and getting their weapons in the barracks when the elites entered. The elites stood there and allowed them to continue getting ready for battle before slaughtering them once they were. No one would do that in 40k
One of the reasons I ALWAYS loved the elites in halo. Most of them are very honorable. Key word being most. But legit they could have always been on the side of humanity, their honor and strength made them far and away the backbone of the covenant. They could do anything well. They never needed the covenant, they just agreed with it and chose to follow it. That scared the prophets.
It's very inconsistent in the lore though and very situational. Sure an Elite might wait till you pick up a lead pipe before murdering you but more often they wouldn't and just burn you all to death from orbit (very 40k if you ask me). Elites seem honourable mostly because of aesthetics but they are basically the Imperium lite but with Aliens - which is one reason I like them as a civilisation. And they pack a pretty big punch relative to their size. A lot of sci-fi factions seem very underpowered and wimpy. And while the Covenant do suffer from having pitifully small numbers in some cases (sci-fi authors have no sense of scale) they're still a potent force. Though they would still be a relatively small faction in 40k, given than the Covenant occupy part of the Orion Arm of the Milky Way in Halo and the Imperium has millions of worlds across the Galaxy. But they could certainly be on the level of the Tau or stronger, a potent force in whatever part of the galaxy they were in. But if they suddenly appeared in the orion arm that would be them in the centre of the Segmentum Solar right next to Terra which is about as high on the list as you can get in terms of threats to the Imperium so they'd have a pretty hard time. The Imperium's main asset isn't Astartes or their ships or really any of their tech but the sheer numbers of men and materiel they can muster. Single worlds in the Imperium have a greater population than all of Humanity in the Halo universe. But if the Covenant were in another part of the galaxy the Imperium would have a harder time gathering enough forces to actively destroy them and it wouldn't be an easy fight.
I remeber reading a Halo book that discribes a Needler wound. A marine trys to give his comrade Biofoam to stop the bleeding, but then the needle shard explodes and the sharpnel cuts up everyone in the warthog. Shit gave nightmares.
I read somethint like that, get a needle embedded and it shreds the inside of you around it. Often kills people even if they aren’t hit with an instant kill shot just because it shreds them.
Yeah, Needlers are cute and all in-game but they’d be terrifying razor-spewing death machines IRL, especially if you have no armour. There’s a shot in the Halo TV show where a Marine gets impaled in the chest by a few of them and he fucking _disintegrates_ into a cloud of blood a few seconds later. They didn’t get a lot right in that show but they did the Needler justice.
@@ShawFujikawa yea it’s literally localized shrapnel explosions you can stick in a person. In wh40k that would definitely fuck people up. That stuff even does good damage to armor if it can embed in it
There's some pretty scary stuff in 40K to: Lasguns kill by flash boiling the liquid in your body, causing it to explode violently and blowing a good sized hole in you. Boltguns are basically grenade launchers, and getting hit by one will basically vaporize you. Neuron gauss flayers literally rip you apart on a molecular level, and are so powerful that a basic infantry rifle can kill tanks. Then there's the stuff made by Chaos and the Dark Eldar, but that stuff will definitely get my comment deleted.
Imagining the Raven Guard and a Fleet master joining up to wipe out a orc threat while one segmentum over another fleet master is turning a bunch of black templars into molten glass would be hilarious
They'd be a mirror of Tau and the Imperium. Which might be pretty cool mix honestly. Covenant with actual magic would be lit. Seeing Forerunner crap around would be cool, the ancient human stuff in Halo could literally just be Golden Age Humanity stuff so that tracks. The progenitors could have just been the Old ones etc. It would be stupid easy to slid the Halo universe into 40k with very little jiggering. Necron vs Forerunner knights would funny. My space skeleton is better! No Mine!
Hell even the UNSC could fit in as a less grimdark human faction balancing annihilation from two sides. Cultural annihilation from the Imperium and full on death from the Covenant.
If it's done when the emperor is alive I think he would back the UNSC and use them as a example of what all worlds should be like. If after I think any loyal primarchs would try to protect the UNSC once they join the empirum, seeing it as a way to reach the dream they fought for. The UNSC could be a loss group of human worlds that might be saved near the end of the war.
@@KillerOrca Basically. They would be relieved to get contact with the Imperium only to have a world slapped with a compliance operation and the admech demanding they destroy their abominable intelligence. Which would cause yes amount of freakout especially since the Imperium might be able to bypass the cole protocol.
Also the covenant aren’t afraid to use their enemies weapons on the battlefield. Sure they wouldn’t add it to their arsenal. But imagine a Brute Chieftain ripping a space marines arms off, then using the marine’s Boltor to kill the rest and even keeping it as a trophy of his victory.
@@higrunt9844 yes, and the covenant are quite competent at reverse engineering technology. Most of their tech is reverse engineered from forerunners. If they can get their hands on Necron tech they will add it to their arsenal.
If he rips off a space marines arm, the marine will just pull out a knife and stab him with the other arm, then take his gun back and wield it one handed. Seriously, there are a ton of scenes in the lore where a space marine loses an arm and just keeps on trucking like nothing happened. Heck, I read a story where a space marine kept fighting after losing an arm and being impaled through the gut. He called it a "minor injury"
It's nice to hear a sci-fi 40k crossover video that isn't just 'W40k wins because lowest tier grunt shoots giant rocket machine gun and go up from there.' Fine work and I wish I'd found this sooner.
The lowest tier grunt would still win though, you have to fanboy pretty hard to ignore the ridiculousness of there being rocket machineguns firing tank rounds like the bare minimum.
@@bovineavenger734 You have to fanboy pretty hard and have no clue of actual scale to believe that a Bolter which is .75 caliber or 0.75 caliber aka 19.04mm. Is magically shooting tank rounds. The Bolters caliber is smaller than a Mk19 MGL . Which is a machine gun that shoots 40mm grenades. 40k fan boys hype up the bolter to unrealistic levels then act like babies when you tear down their argument with realism. And actual stated facts.
Yeah but the regular bolter is an HMG in the imperium. The covenant equivalent to this is the phantom's plasma cannon, or maybe even just the normal plasma cannon found on turret mounts and wraiths.
Something about the covenant that reminds me of the dark eldar in a way is their mobility, in the sense that the capital, high charity, and other valuable assets like the shipyard in first strike are all mobile and capable of slipspace travel.
POV: A Covenant Elite zealot walks up to a Dark Angels marine. He slowly approaches the demigod and whispers a single word into his ear. “Heretic” The Space Marine begins to Seethe, then his head turns cherry red and he starts screaming at the xeno while kicking and throwing anything and everything around him like a rag doll.
I mean it seems pretty likely to me that there would have been a couple dozen minor alien species that would refer to them like that every now and then. The crusades would likely call them "roadbumps".
@@Hust91 Actually the Crusdes would consider them incredibly Irritating. Because of sheer numbers and plasma based weapons. And a much better fight than most other xenos at the time. Not a major threat but not a speed bump.
@@Hust91 Yeah like the Tau with their greater good bs. Which are basically a minor version of the Covenant. Which is kind of why the Covenant would fit into 40k in the current setting. Their too large in number for the Imperium to just wipe them out but also not so much of a threat that they themselves could actually win that fight either. So it kind of ends up as a stalemate. The loyalists Astartes would mostly be called demon's not heretics. Of course the Covenant are about as ignorant of what an actual demon is as the Tau are. They might figure it out but would still call Astartes demon's as an insult to the Astartes.
@@John2r1 yeah and its cool that their beliefs would probably manifest in forerunner-based gods as that one comment said, strengthening them further and making them less likely to break them from within since their beliefs are made manifest. They also believed that using the Halo rings would make them ascend, i dont know how that would fit in with this... "lore". Hmmm.. their belief in the forerunners came from them encountering forerunner tech. Which would mean that there would be actual forerunners sometime in this timeline. and if those forerunners are gone because they "ascended" via halo rings, that would bring in the flood too and the precursors... and ancient humanity since they "helped" make the flood grow so much. If that stuff happened i wonder how it fits in with the 40k timeline and how it would merge with some things or change them since they wouldnt really work parallel to each other. I would also like a story where an Elite calls someone from the Imperium a heretic and stuff. Interesting interesting interesting!
When you lay it out like this they sound like better Tau. Also you could slot in the Old Ones for the Forerunners without too much of a retcon. Just say they're a bunch of abandoned Old Ones experiments, their ancestors built a religion around the gods they could barely remember and now they think they're the chosen ones. They even have evidence for it; the Eldar owned themselves, and humanity worships a false god. Crushing humanity is the last test left by the Old Ones before they can ascend to become THE Galactic Race.
@@lolroflroflcakes The capital ships are firing beams that equal the output of a small star, as shown in HALO 3 when they glass chunks of Earth. Humanity's railgun's weren't stronger than the Covenant weapons, the Covenant shields were designed with energy weapons in mind, not hypersonic solid slugs.
@@lolroflroflcakes Better hyperspeed, better weapons and hardware for most levels of engagement, and better utilization of specialized species within the collective. Railguns, markerlights, propaganda, and being related to the much more interesting Q;Orl are the Tau's only redeeming features. The Covenant have answers to everything besides the Q;Orl, and more besides. Plus, they can fight in melee, and have a wonderful chaff Troop choice that you can smile when they meet unfortunate ends.
I could see the Tau being completely integrated into Covenant (a decade or two after being conquered of course) with Crisis Battlesuits being dropped in along with scarab walkers and Elites using Tau drones. So badass
I could totally see the battle suits being used how the empire in star wars used the AT-ST being a “light” scout walker and hitting smaller targets and escorting the big AT-AT’s
Dark Eldar: *tortures grunt slave* Grunt: you big meanie! Dark Eldar: *feels pleasure from torturing grunt* A jackal mercenary working for Dark Eldar: *kicks grunt* Dark Eldar: ah, so you love torture of others too? Jackal mercenary: no I just hate grunts
Problem is actually capturing and transporting a 5ft 5in tall 260 lbs Chimpanzee , Crab , Goblin armored baster with plasma weapons aka the Grunts. Or worst a Grunt veteran /pilot in a Goblin battlesuit. Which given that a Goblin is 13.5 ft tall mech suit that is well heavily armed and the pilot has a shielded cockpit oh and it can fly with thruster's . He kind of down played the Grunts a bit considering these xenos bastards actually stalemated the entire Covenant during a rebellion. Their highest ranking and most respected member of their race is called Yapyap the Destroyer for a reason. The second highest ranking is named Yabda the merciless he's a Unggoly Stormtrooper basically. Third highest ranking but arguably the more intelligent of the 3 is Yayap an intelligent unggoly who distinguished himself during the battle of Instillation 04. So yeah not quite the easiest race to pick on. Considering how heavily armed said race is. A Unggoly is as likely to rip a Dark Eldar's arms off as it is to coward in a corner.
@@John2r1 A Drukhari would just incapacitate a Grunt with a splinter gun or other weapons that are designed to put their victims in a state of complete agony instead of killing them, The DE captured and transported much worse things.
@@nobleman9393 They would have to get through the Grunts body armor and exoskeleton or their thick hide designed to deal with predators on a planet where not getting a meal means your probably going to die of starvation. And that also means getting within firing range of a Grunt whom has astonishingly fast finger reflex speed, as they can fire a plasma pistol at almost the same rate a Sangheili can with a plasma rifle. To put that into perspective the Unggoy can fire a plasma pistol at 540 rounds per minute. That's 8.9 rounds per second. I'm fairly sure that a Drukhari is not immune to plasma weapons fire that is capable of vaporizing a human torso. Oh and Unggoy are not deployed as single units. Ie they are deployed as armies or regiments in large scale combat. The smallest number of Grunts your Drukhari is likely to come across is a file of 5 to 20 of them. And what do you think is going to happen when a Unggoy Imperial which is a veteran who happens to also be a Unggoy Heavy which carries a fuel rod cannon/ gun sees your Drukhari space elf shoot one of his sons . Would it be option A. Retreat and let his kid be killed or captured. Or Option B. Unload all 5 Class-2 38mm radioactive explosive fuel rods into said Drukhari's face. That's not a hard choice for a member of a species that value their children and family ties above their own lives. Now when one shoots back the pack mentality they have will take over as all of them are going on the offensive. Or worst if that Unggoy who got hit and the Drukhari is in the process of loading up has a Unggoy Jockey aka Pnap-pattern Goblin battlesuit pilot as it's father. At which point we'll that Drukhari is going to get smeared across several yards of the battlefield. Why and how? Why because that Unggoy Jockey is a war veteran who knows how to pilot that mech suit better than LeBron James knows how to dribble a basketball. And the how is that mech suit is 13.5m tall , 2.5 tons and armed with the following.. 1x double-barreled heavy needle cannon capable of dealing significant damage to vehicles.The Needler can also be utilized as a multiple-launch system, capable of firing a barrage of blamite shards that can target up to eight different hostiles. 1x Shardstorm launcher, capable of firing entire clouds of blamite needles which are self guided crystalline armor piercing High explosive projectiles. 1x Grenade launcher firing Plasma Grenade. Also has a shielded cockpit, a power fist and can create EMPs by stomping as well as Stablizers and thrusters allowing limited flight. There is also two variants. 1. Eklon'Dal Workshop Goblin a modification of the original. 2. The Beam Goblin. Developed in Balaho by Senior Science Commissioner Gablap and other top Balaho scientists, the Beam Goblin features a focus cannon. The Focus cannon for those who don't know is the Covenant Plasma weapon that fires bolts of superheated plasma in a concentrated beam. The focus cannon is usually reserved for assault platforms like the Sumda'te-pattern Scarab, Deutoros-pattern Scarab, and Shua'ee-pattern Locust. A focus cannon can be used to take down large scale objects, that either may be in the way of infantry objectives, or to excavate an area. If faced with a large military presence assault platforms can use their focus cannon to cut through armor and infantry with ease. The advantages are rather obvious. With units preforming a hunter-killer role, finding infantry and eliminating them. They can also fulfill an anti-armor role, capable of destroying heavy armor if needed. Covenant capital ships also have a weapon similar to the focus cannon, commonly referred to as the energy projector. Effectively a Goblin battlesuit with this is firing a mini energy projector directly into your Drukhari space elfs face. So yeah it's best for the Drukhari to stay far away from the Covenant including the Grunts. Because even the Grunts aren't going to play around with them. They will kill them rather easily given the amout of firepower they lug around.
@@John2r1 Autoguns pierce thier armor, splinter guns and other weapons would have no problem doing the same and things such as fusion pistols are just an overkill. An average Eldar can match Reflexes and speed of Astartes, Peak Eldar can ran circles around them and You think The Drukhari do One-Man Raids or there will thousands to tens of thousands of Dark Eldar with him? When it comes to Goblins The DE have ways of dealing with them(I won't mention all, only few), either destoy them with Desintigration cannons, Heat Cannons, Dark Lances or Melta Weapons or disable the mech with Haywire Blasters, so in other words it gets melted, disintegrated or disabled and the pilot tortured to death. But I think you're right The Unngoy wouldn't be popular among the Drukhari, since they need Methane Gas and supplying large Amounts of it would be a problem, but corpses can still be useful.
@@nobleman9393 Yeah after dumping half a mag of armor piercing ammo into them with an autogun. That's not the point the point is these Grunts outnumber the Drukhari a trillion to one and their all related. Remember these little Grunts stelamated the rest of the Covenant by sheer numbers and tenacity alone. Second thing they have experience dealing with things that move equally as quick as an Astartes . In Halo they are called Spartans. Your average Spartan is capable of running faster than a average Astartes by about 10mph faster . And is more agile with agility being closer to an Eldar. The dark Eldar raiding with thousands vs Trillions of heavily armed and now motivated by the lose of family members whom have either been injured , knocked out or killed by the Dark Eldar is going to get them overran and torn apart by the Unggoy. The rest of the Covenant are just back up at that point. As to the Goblin battlesuits you shoot one they all shoot back. You die from an acute case of crystalline explosive projectiles posing. Ie when the Eldar start getting hit by self guided crystalline armor piercing High explosive projectiles that they can't out run , can't dodge and start exploding into Mist across the battlefield. Which do note the Goblin battlesuits where desiged to be capable of taking on Spartans and larger ,faster and stronger opponents. These things are 13.5m tall , heavily armored mech suits with a shielded cockpit . The material they are made out of can withstand multiple hits from Superheated plasma. So that heat cannon is going to scotch the paint job and piss off the pilot even more. The Desintigration cannon cool a Drukhari just took out one Goblin. There are Trillions of them . And now they know what that weapon does and are calling of artillery and Air support. The Drukhari are about to become un-alived or past tense it's just a matter of what's going to kill them first. The rest of the Goblin battlesuits , the Plasma based Artillery or the Banshee Air/Space Multi role fighters or maybe the bombers . Or are the Grunt Infantry going to get to them and rip them apart and eat them first. Simple reality numbers kill. And the Drukhari don't have numbers on their side. A few Unggoy may die. But their sacrifice will be considered worth it if the Unggoy succeed in killing their attacker. Basically these little bastards are fuel by Methane, Food , Infusions which are various drugs , hate and revenge. They will strap on an extra methane tank , load up on ammo and their version of beef junk and walk until they find you if given a reason. Hence the nickname Grunts. All the Unggoy really want to do is want to do is eat , smoke infusions and take naps . If for some reason an enemy that isn't a 7ft plus tall superhuman that could run through a thousand Eldar messes with them they will kill it. What will happen to the Drukhari will come up in discussion the next time the Asdrubael Vect and the leaders of the Kabal's , Wych Cult's and Coven's have a meeting to discuss things to avoid in real space and how to improve their tactics for success next time. The most Ironic part of this is that if the Drukhari left the Unggoy alone and went after another larger member of the Covenant the Unggoy really wouldn't care. It's simply they have a napoleon complex and simply want to be left alone to do whatever they feel like doing. Their also one of the smartest member species due to possess unburdened neural pathways which allow them to absorb knowledge more freely compared to the other Covenant species. As such, they were often tasked by the Covenant with monitoring space for traces of human communication. In addition, many Unggoy have developed a clear understanding of two or even three human languages. Your human obviously. How many languages are you fluent in ? Unggoy are fluent in their native Unggoy language, Sangheili language, English ,Spanish, Japanese, Chinese , etc. So yeah their actually intelligent. The reason outside of game play that we see them as not being that intelligent is because the Covenant's education system sucks even compared to our modern system. They teach religion and how to do specific jobs that's it. In other worlds if the Drukhari where as smart as their elven suprimist ideology tells them they are they would skip the Grunts and take the larger less numerous species of the Covenant. Then simply leave the Grunts alone. Without a motivation to fight the Grunts will do whatever they need to do to survive. And yes if given the option the Grunts would probably make new weapons and torture devices for the Drukhari. Considering they where forced into the Covenant in the first place. Their defense of the Covenant is a self preservation thing not a love for the other species. The Unggoy are already slave soldiers. If the Drukhari where smart they would avoid fighting them and instead use them to get in close to the other species. But your not thinking stealth your thinking just attacking them would do something and not realizing how tough these Grunts are. The ones currently around where trained for war and deployed from around age 5. Any Grunt who survived the Human-Covenant War is a 35 to 38 years old veteran who's been fighting since he was 5 years old. Not quite the rookies of the Imperial Guard. Whom rarely survive their first year.
about the plasma rant, what makes it funny is that if we compare it the way you said then the strongest Plasma weapon would be in Fallout. Halo Plasma weapons: Melt through a person’s torso, overheats and burns you hand but cools down 40k Plasma Weapon: Melts a person’s torse, Overheats and explodes Fallout’s plasma weapons: Can melt a person in a full suit of power armor into a literal puddle and never overheats.
I think it depends in the weapon and the heat (generally distinguishable with the color that represents the energy according to the spectrum) example the normal plasma pisto shot is not comparable to the overcharge, or the blue plasma granade launcher
@@motivateddad Frankly it also shoves a middle finger up the ass of physics and spins it around. Like over half of Fallout's weapons just do not make sense from a physics standpoint, and many of the weapons a horrifically impractical as well.
Not to mention that they’re apparently really easy to build. I mean look at the laser rifle from Fallout 4, those things are practically stitched together with duct tape and spare parts
So not that anyone cares, but this has inspired me to fan-fic a faction in 40K called “The Coalition”. I’ve actually spent the last 6 weeks writing, designing, and story building races, vehicles, buildings, lore, and all that fun stuff for about a half a dozen separate races that fit into 40k. Most of which have been individually designated in Spore. Again not that anyone will likely care, but heres a little tidbit of lore I’ve built for this faction: Over 15,000 years ago, Humanity was at peace, it saw Xenos species as friends and allies, men of Iron fought wars on distant battle fields, an entire Galaxy away. Then there was the fall, humanity’s great machines turned on them, the Warp let out a scream so loud travel through the realm known as The Warp became unthinkable. During this Age of Strife there was a cluster of planets, in which Humanity lived in harmony with a race known as the Stephonodrites, who helped fight back these men of iron and accepted as many human refugees as could make it to the planet known as Tayloria. The Stephonodrites helped these humans, fed them, clothed them, and protected them. Long necked 4 legged beings stood peacefully and proud to help any in need. Seekers of peace among the stars. For a time there was peace, humanity and Stephonodrites lived in harmony. Until the great Crusade. A god like being known as the primarch Lorgar appeared with his armada singing the songs of the one known as “the Emperor of man” a delegation of humans from the Planet Tayloria were sent to greet these fellow humans, however upon the explanation, that humans from this sector of space had mingled with these “foul Xenos” a terrible purge was launched, humans and Stephonodrites were taken by awe as these “Word Bearers” slaughtered all in droves, swearing any who did not follow the law of the Emperor were Heretic Filth and would be wiped clean. Planet after planet the Stephonodrites fell, attempting to find peace until the end, when at last, they were forced to flee into deep space, their once mighty but peaceful empire, scourged and purged off the face of the Galaxy. And so the Stephonodrites have spent 10,000 years building their forces, finding fellow likeminded species and incorporating them into a faction known as “The Coalition” they bound by hatred of this Xenophobic “Imperium of Man” will stop at nothing to clean this disgrace from the Galaxy. No matter how long it takes… So yeah, theres the opening lore for my faction. Again nobody will ever see this, but hey if you do lemme know, and lemme know where is can post pictures and expand the lore of this faction. Again I’ve designed at least a half a dozen species each with its own unique lore. So yeah idk, cool i guess?
@@IAmAlpharius20 ya know this has been on the back of my mind, but I mostly forgot. Glad someone actually likes my idea. I’ll try to work on it some more.
sounds pretty interesting! a civilization with an actually justified grudge against the Imperium that is (mostly) free of Chaos's influence would be pretty sick.
@@christopherbravo1813 so actually a race in the coalition are called the Baileysaurs, and they actually use null, uncorrupted areas of the warp to heal, put up phykic fields and their grandmasters can even cleans warp infected areas.
I'll be honest, this is the crossover I've always wanted to see. Somehow, if humanity from Halo is also here, I'd love to get their input into this as well. Depending on how things would go I could see a mutual alliance between the UNSC and the Elities (assuming this is post Halo 3) in regards to anything having to deal with Chaos and the Imperium. Also, ONI vs the Inquisition would be a cartoonish level of Spy vs Spy nonsense and I'd love it.
@@Peter_Turbo4 to be fair, ONI was dealing with the extinction of humanity as an almost certain event. If the Imperium was in as much as a shit show as the UEG, the Inquisition would pull no punches.
Honestly, though, ONI might top the Inquisition given the fact they're not afraid to make use AI. The Inquisition is good, sure, but they have their limits.
I read that fan covenant codex. The author(s) even added some nice fan-fiction lore on what they do in the galaxy and how they interact. Apparently Orks and Brutes get along. Because of Chaos, use of Grunt-Deacons is increased and more of them and placed in covenant ground-forces whenever they fight warp-related stuff. Elites enjoy having honorable duels with the Space-Marines and both have a rivalry as a result.
Guardsmen gets hit by hunter Commisar: where is private park? Guardsman: he's gone sir Commisar: that coward! Guardsman: no he's gone, all thats left are his boots.
@@casematecardinal commissar actually where's corporal Johnson? Guardsman he got hit by one of those big monkeys with a hammer his body imploded and his organs disintegrated and his bones are now powder
@@registeredwarcriminal980commisar: what happened to Sargent thomas Private Sams: that weird miget turned him into a pink mist before suicide bombing a baneblade with some weird glowing orbs
@dozergames2395 Commisar: Bloody Hell! Where's the commanding officer?! Guardsmen: "Our Lieutenant was praying next to an enemy computer and was taken by the Omnisiah"
I mean this video just makes me wish the Tau were better. The auxiliary races are so neglected they might as well be non existent. For what is supposed to be a confederation of alien races, it feels like the Imperium has more xeno-diversity.
This makes me want to kitbash a Covenant army out of some Tau. Replace the technical drones with the engineers, fire warriors with Elites. Vespids with drones, etherals with prophets, kroot with jackels and grunts, Krootox with brutes, crisis battle suit with hunters. You could even have humans if you were doing a covenant remnant like the banished.
Honestly some factions I think would be interesting to see show up in W40K would be the factions from Sins of a Solar Empire. Both the TEC and the Advent would make an interesting alternative human faction that could parallel the Imperium and the Vasari work well as planet-looting aliens that aren't a hive mind like the Nids. Nothing that would ever happen of course but it is always fun to speculate.
I think that, if both the Prophets and Ethereals apply some common sense, they could come to an agreement where the Ethereals, given their brainwashing of the Tau, could convince their people that joining the Covenant would be part of the “Greater Good, and the Covenant could see the Ethereals as other students of the Forerunners, ending in a rather smooth integration of both factions into a rather scary player in the WH lore
The covenent kind of feel an evolution of the tau. Like if the tau went through an age of strife like humanity did, they could end up sort of like the covenant.
Mobility really is the one thing that in almost every verses battle the imperium loses at. And I think that at its heart is what would stop it from ever being able to defeat the covenant even if they beat the covenant in battle. If things look rough the covenant can just jet off because they're Capital City can slip space.
Bruh as a hugeeeeee 40k fan. I love how you basically take a sit down bitch approach. Too many people in my community seem to not use their brains when it comes to power levels. I for one fully agree with most of what you said! Great video!
I agree. Most Warhammer discussions concerning other franchises/universes almost never take into account logistics, which is a nightmare for the Imperium in any versus scenario.
What I appreciate about this fan essay. Is that well meaning counter argument over the Warhammer fanboy elitism of power scaling compared to other franchises.
That would be a cool concept. Slight problem, Chaos will just spawn back in the eye of terror in a few years/decades. So, unless the covenant manages to hold against Chaos in Chaos' home territory long enough to activate the ring and can have enough troops to spawn camp the Chaos after their initial troops get disintegrated by the Halo Ring's blast it won't work. Not only that, but we also need to assume covenant troops can resist the madness that is the eye of terror (both the demons and the maddening effect it has). and it is Chaos territory. i wouldn't be surprised if there IS a hidden halo ring in it, one of the chaos god will find it first before the covenant and mess with it (looking at you Tzeentch).
The Forerunners vs the Necrons would be a very interesting conflict. With enough time both have the capability to life wipe their versions of the Milky Way Galaxy
Good video; good points. I'm a UNSC fan but the Covenant would be a good 'normal' alien faction in 40K. They really do have some badass names for ships. The biggest challenge would be making them feel different from the Imperium, what with them both being aggressive theocracies armed with ancient technology they barely understand- or maybe play up the parallels. Agreed on Space Marines too; the Raven Guard, Raptors, Emperor's Warbringers, Mentor Legion, and especially Deathwatch would be the most effective chapters in most circumstances. My one problem with this video: Don't diss the Brutes. I want more smart monkes.
This is one of those cases where the similarities actually make things more interesting. The fact that a alien faction has strong parallels with the Imperium of Mankind makes for delicious irony and hilarious dialogue between two.
Not exactly, it's like seeing a professional boxer fight a bodybuilder of roughly same size. Sure they both are strong and big but the boxer is more agile and tougher overall, he's gonna wreck the bodybuilder. In space marines case, he's straight up better and a bit shorter in this case.
@@Ialsowriteandread0291 Atriox could beat a Space Marine, but that's Atriox. The average Brute will lose, and a Brute Chieftain would compare to an Astartes. But average Brutes would lose 8 times out of 10.
Something easily forgotten in halo is that the master chief is almost 7 feet tall, the tiny grunts we effortlessly take down are actually the size of a person, as well as covered in an exoskeleton with claws meant for burrowing. If you’ve ever seen the damage an anteaters claws can do, you have some idea of how dangerous they would actually be.
the image of the guardsmen on cadia who say "CADIA STANDS! CADIA LIVES!" and "THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARDSMEN!" just getting fuckin glassed is hilarious to me edit: now that I think about it imagine the long night of solace showing up over your trenches
@@registeredwarcriminal980 space marines probably have enough reaction since they can see bullets travelling and so they can just grab the grenade shove it down the grunts throat and launch it to the closest elite
Honestly I’d be all up for more minor or regional factions in 40k, and for that, ye the covenant work fine. I think it’d be better if you didn’t just transplant them directly into 40k, but more… adjust them for the setting. Like, the whole “not having psykers” thingy, with how 40k works, they probably would get them, eventually at least. Little details like that could make a crossover idea like this work even better, by having the thing transplanted into the setting take on the attributes it’d have in that setting if it were there the whole time.
Another thing, now that I’m thinking about it, would be how they’d react to the galaxy around them. If they’re of the same religion, with the region they start in having halo rings, only to then expand into and encounter the imperium, they’d assume there’s more in Imperial space, which would likely put the covenant into full on holy war mode. They’d be sorta like inverted tau for the setting, instead of moving carefully to avoid retaliation from a bigger power, they’d be aggressively expansionist by necessity.
@@KillerOrca Eh, bit of a special case with them. With the covenant being a coalition of different species I’m sure one fo them would pick it up eventually.
@@erds4113 you'd have to scale their power up quite a bit to make them survive, a good portion of the reason that tau have survived is because their defenses and caution make not not worth the cost to exterminate them
Generally, this is a pretty interesting idea, although one that has been brought up on 1d4chan before. The only real gripe I have is the size comparison discrepancy between Titans and the Scarab. By pretty much all rights, most Titans, except possibly the Warhound, should be much bigger than the Scarab given the city-flattening weapons they have on them. I think this is a symptom of scifi writers, both 40k and Halo, having no sense of scale, once again. Hell, Halo is guilty of having multiple instances of the numbers not being consistent since the first books came out. The most egregious example I can remember is the approximate weights of a UNSC Frigate. Someone did the calculations of the weight and found that it would weigh LIGHTER THAN AIR. Still, the Covenant unit roster can fill out a Codex pretty well, provided you do some scaling. And take the lore of Halo with a grain of salt, the same way as 40k's lore. It's generally all over the place Note: On the matter of plasma, it is also as inconsistent in Halo lore as lasguns are in 40k lore. One book a plasma pistol is vaporizing a human torso, the next Marines are taking hails of plasma rifle fire and not getting instantly melted. So it's very hit or miss. Also, if the UNSC is generally winning on the ground, the technological differences aren't actually that huge. If they were, it would be like comparing a cannon from the 1700s to a Russian 2S19 or BM-21. As for the Space Marine vs Covenant thing, like I say with a lot of other 'Space Marine vs' videos and threads, they are not generally stupid enough to do plain fully frontal charges. The Astartes would've turned into nothing more than a distant memory a long time ago if that were the case. Typically, they have done a crap-ton of preplanning, recon, and battlefield shaping before they come in and do their thing. The whole 'use drop pod assault' is simply one of many preferred methods to _how_ they achieve their objective. Marines aren't stupid. They can't afford to be. They don't live for hundreds of years by being stupid. Even the Wolves and Blood Angels have a certain predatory cunning to their methods.
@@TheSchultinator talking about weight, it could be possible that he means just the air that fills the frigate by volume (when taken the strength of earths gravity) would excede the weight given in the book
How tall is the Scarab? Cus Warhound Titans are about 14 meters tall, and the next smallest Titan(the Reaver) is about 30 meters tall, Warlord Titans are about 40 meters tall and Imperator&Warmong Titans are roughly 55 meters tall
@@bjornthefellhanded5655 the lore says 38.7 meters, already almost as tall as a Warlord. He even shows it in the video at 6:48. Kinda ridiculous considering how it scales in the Halo games vs how the Warlord was portrayed in Space Marine
I think what makes halos factions different is not having the need to port over fantasy races. Halo is good because it's unique, I can't get the feeling of of being Icarus coming too close to the sun from other games. It's the fact that humanity has just gotten out into the stars and is immediately presented with threats immeasurable in their number and horrifically alien. All of halos races have that uniquely alien feel, from the grunts having to wear methane gas masks at all time so they can breathe in other atmospheres, to hunters being gibbering swarms of slugs, or the flood forms and their plant like pustule designs(wait that's just nurlge). Edit: I legitimately did not realize the size differences holy shit.
I remember that /tg made rules for the Covenant in 40k, even suggested good places for models. Honestly I'd love to see the Imperium fight the Covenant.
The thing I hate is that the writers of 40k wouldn't ever do the covenant justice. They're top notch for fulfilling generic alien species, but in 40k that leaves them to the role of being punching bags the human factions attack when the writers need a jobber. Kind of like the eldar are (an the tau.) Look how the writers do the tau. Tau are supposedly the 40k answer to generic alien alliance but instead of being cool they're a minor power in the setting that gets clowned on by anyone who looks at them funny. Outside of the Horus heresy the writers kinda suck imo It would also be cool to see dark age of technology stuff from the imperium go up against the covenant using ancient forunner weaponry
@@KissMy2Moons imo the closest forunner anologue in the setting is actually the necrontyr, before the c'tan tricked them into becoming nearly soulless automata. building galaxy killing halo arrays is fairly comparable to some of the bullshit the necrons have, like the aeonic orbs, or the tesseract vaults.
I’d must admit your explanation of how the covenant could survive and possibly wipe the floor with most space marines gave me a bit more respect for them.
Yeah Covenant in 40K would be pretty fucking awesome. They would actually be able to survive and even thrive under the right circumstances. The only thing I'd disagree on is that Space Marines would be a serious threat to Covenant ground forces. Yeah the Black Templar would go "Die Xenos!" and charge to their deaths (good riddance) but the rest would be like the Spartans but way fucking bigger. I think we also don't appreciate just how damn fast Space Marines are, but 40k books are annoyingly inconsistent in this department. Still anything without shields would get shredded by bolter fire and the Elites' shields wouldn't fare much better against the repeated concussive assault. Regardless the individual chapters wouldn't be able to do too much against a large covenant force, you'd need the old Legions of the Great Crusade days to make a Covenant fleet shit their pants.
ruclips.net/video/7R66Rqe_hrI/видео.html single chapters, save black templars, wouldn't be a major threat, at least not without boarding actions (looking at lower end feats, the average space marine is usually comparable to Spartans in reflexes, killing power, and durability, if not slightly stronger) but it isnt exactly common for space marines to be sent out alone, hence the video.
Yes but the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves all have a doctrine that if the fight is big enough ALL of their gene brethren show up. And since the wolves arent codex complaint.. Thats a lot of wolves.
Saying a space marine is equal to a sparten seems a little unequal considering they are considerably larger on average better armed and have genetic mutations like multiple essential organs and greatly increased blood clotting.
I like to think they were some manipulative xenos that turned the 2nd and 11th primarch against the emperor, alongside their troops. A xenos empire and 2 powerful legions sounds about right
@@bloodangel19 Yeah I agree. My headcanon is that they were a parasite, almost like the Flood, hence why the exterminatused all their worlds and client worlds and the reason why the two primarchs fell.
@@scottdodge6979 nah i don't like that idea, no ofense. I like to think that they made a good point to the primarchs as to how the emperor is a piece of shit and deserves to die, and they made their choice. No chaos, no brain worms, no tricks, just a couple prodigal sons
The most logical theory I've heard on it was that the Rangdan are essentially the threat from The Thing (or the original story that inspired it, Who Goes There?) and corrupted the II legion. This would account for the horrors of the Rangdan Xenocides and why the whole thing was removed from the records. The mere thought that the Legions and even a Primarch could be corrupted like that would be anathema to the GEoM's intentions.
I noticed that the Sangheili prioritize initiative in their battles. It is honorable (for them) to surprise an enemy when you attack them, but it is dishonorable for them not to know an attack is coming, that's why their ships aren't (usually) invisible, but their infantry is.
I would say that, as weird a statement as this is, that the halo plasma isn't as strong as the 40k plasma. Given that it can compare to normal bullet based weaponry that isn't hugely more advanced than the stuff we have today. I realize that. It's against a books vs game thing but the books do also say that the unsc does relatively well on the ground but gets slaughtered in space. But yeah just bump up the covenant numbers a couple trillion and they would fit right in with this shitshow. Forerunners though? That's some war in heaven tier shit.
If I were to make a Covenant codex, I'd probably give a Grunt plasma pistol a similar profile to a Las-pistol, just with the ability to overcharge like a plasma
His bias was clearly blinding him with that one. It's like how people say Star Wars's Empire would beat the Imperium because they have Plasma. I guess all these debates really are a popularity contest over anything else. Everyone wants their favourite franchise to win.
I was going to say don't marines do very well on the ground fighting against all that pLasMA which supposedly according to Pan melts people with a single shot. If it indeed was as powerful as he says you wouldn't need elites, brutes, jackals etc like you do have in halo, you'd just need some derpy grunts walk up to any army and lol as they rub their pea sized nuts all over their faces because they're apparently armed with a super weapon. Plasma. How many shots does it take to destroy a tank in halo with plasma weapons? Hundreds and most of the time they somehow directly damage the pilots health. No, they have dedicated AT weapons like everyone else but 40k's plasma on the other hand can do it overcharged with a few shots. Plasma from 40k is like at least ten times more powerful. I think a rule of thumb is that all technology isn't the same as other universes, just because blasters from starwars, plasma from halo and plasma guns from 40k exist doesn't mean they are all the same. Hand held blasters from starwars don't destroy tanks, bigger blasters designed for armour do. Plasma from halo don't destroy tanks, dedicated AT weapons do. Plasma guns from 40k can at the risk of the operator destroy tanks.
UNSC do better than covenant in ground battles not because covenant weapons are on par, in fact their weaponry obliterate us, but through superior hit and run guerrilla tactics. You notice how extremely mobile the unsc is with a preference for warthogs and dropships able to transport tanks and munitions anywhere, marines will harass the covenant from one side then disengage and move to hit them hard in another weak spot soon after. Combine this with the home turf and that local army forces will supplement the marine forces we aren’t outnumbered either.
In the novels there are several instances of covenant plasma easily burning through both armor and the flesh. But still ceramite is maybe/probably way stronger than titanium.
This was a great video, I’d love to see some more comparisons of different franchises in the 40k universe. I’ve always wondered how the locusts from Gears Of War would do? Gears of War has obviously taken a lot of inspiration from Warhammer, the series is very grimdark with lots of chainsaws. Obviously the Locusts don’t have space travel, but they’re intelligent, brutal, have a hive-mind. They’re essentially a combination or orks and nids. They’ve got the locusts as the standard foot troop, Therons as the elites, Kantus as the support classes, Boomers as the tanks, tickers and wretches are the fodder, plus lots of varying beasties for their vehicles such as corpsers, brumaks and even the gas bags as flying units I’d love to see a 40k style locust army. They’re beyond perfect for 40k.
I was skeptical but you convinced me! Very well made and well thought out Edit: I'm glad I read through some of the comments. The video didn't touch on how effective the covenant personal shield and plasma grenades would be. They really would hold their own in the 40k universe!
The plasma weapon point is an interesting one because you can view it from two angles. 1. The Halo plasma weapons don't overheat as bad because the cooling tech is better 2. The Halo plasma weapons don't overheat as bad because they didn't want to take the risk on the more powerful shots.
The Covenant's Plasma Pistols can be overcharged for significantly more powerful shots, and they have mechanisms to safely discharge excess heat without risk of blowing up, and the Fuel Rod Guns had dead-man-switches that caused them to exploded when their wielder is killed, much like 40k's Plasma weapons explode when they overheat. These two details looked at together means the Covenant's plasma weapons have comparable power to 40k's, but have much better cooling technology.
@@lennardchurch8483 "The Covenant's Plasma Pistols can be overcharged for significantly more powerful shots," Yes, and in doing so, gaining a far slower fire rate. Add garbage range to that, and you have a weapon that'll almost never be used against any armored target. Meanwhile, an Imperial plasma pistol can fire about 2 shots per second if the user can handle the recoil, with each shot capable of one-shotting a shielded multi-las piece and reducing an Astartes to fine ash. When it comes down to it, only fuel rod cannons reliably match imperial plasma in terms of power. Why? Because like their imperial counterparts, they are dedicated anti-armor weapons. Do you see Covenant infantry with plasma pistols and rifles quickly destroying UNSC Scorpion tanks? No, you don't. "risk of blowing up" Said risk really only exists when people decide to supercharge imperial plasma weapons. Perform proper maintenance and don't supercharge, and an Imperial plasma weapon would never detonate in use.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 The Imperium's Plasma Pistol has a higher fire rate, but they're rare, at best usually one to a unit. Covenant Plasma can achieve the same effect of obliterating a Space-Marine-like foe, and it makes up for the lower fire rate of overcharged shots by it being the standard firearm of the Grunts. If you've got 5+ Grunts shooting at you, suddenly that fire rate is almost identical to the Imperium's, and if you kill one of them, the output of their firepower is significantly less reduced than if you hit a Space Marine with plasma in the face. If you read the novels, you'll find that the canonical power of Covenant Plasma Pistols is significantly higher than what's seen in games. The games don't use accurate power-scaling on the weapons because we as players can't accurately control the super-soldier, because we don't have the reflexes to do so, and having the entire game be in bullet-time with auto-aim to simulate the Spartan's actual abilities wouldn't be a fun game. With the limitations of us playing the main character, if the Covenant Plasma were depicted accurately, no one would be able to finish a level.
@@lennardchurch8483 "The Imperium's Plasma Pistol has a higher fire rate, but they're rare, at best usually one to a unit" Common enough that IG officers have the option of one. "Covenant Plasma can achieve the same effect of obliterating a Space-Marine-like foe, and it makes up for the lower fire rate of overcharged shots by it being the standard firearm of the Grunts." The problem is that grunts don't exclusively use overcharge for their plasma pistols, seriously, tell me the last time a Spartan was taken out by an overcharged plasma pistol fired by a grunt. "If you've got 5+ Grunts shooting at you, suddenly that fire rate is almost identical to the Imperium's, and if you kill one of them, the output of their firepower is significantly less reduced than if you hit a Space Marine with plasma in the face." Doesn't matter when they get picked off by Guardsmen 1 Km + away. Even in close range, ODSTs have speed blitzed grunts. "If you read the novels, you'll find that the canonical power of Covenant Plasma Pistols is significantly higher than what's seen in games. The games don't use accurate power-scaling on the weapons because we as players can't accurately control the super-soldier, because we don't have the reflexes to do so, and having the entire game be in bullet-time with auto-aim to simulate the Spartan's actual abilities wouldn't be a fun game. With the limitations of us playing the main character, if the Covenant Plasma were depicted accurately, no one would be able to finish a level." You misunderstand. Covie plasma pistols having 50 meters of range and subsonic, dodgeable bolts isn't gameplay, it's LORE. Covie plasma pistols and rifles are terrible weapons lore-wise. Again, you're overselling the importance of firepower. Yes, firepower is important. But so is rpm, range, and bolt/beam speed. Lasguns can vaporize heads (Fall of Macharius) making them comparable to covie plasma rifles and uncharged plasma pistols. The difference is that they are far superior in basically every other stat. They have: 1 km+ range. 600 rpm. Undodgeable, lightspeed lasers. Each shot can vaporize a man's head. Meanwhile covie plasma rifle: 50 meters of range 300-500 rpm Subsonic, dodgeable plasma bolts. Each shot can vaporize a man's leg and heat up the surrounding area. Which would you pick?
Honestly I could see part of the Great Crusade involving the Imperium destroying the Covenant with everyone except the Emperor even knowing about the Human-Covenant War from the distant past.
I really liked this honestly. I'm so used to hearing the outlandish horseshit that's attributed to 40k's setting that I honestly just defaulted to "yeah 40k vs anything isn't really fair because apparently 40k just deals with numbers on such a hard brained scale that finding other things in fiction that stacks up is very unlikely" so this was a nice change of mindset.
I also keep forgetting for some reason that Elites, Brutes, and Hunters are literally either the same height as *or taller* then regular Space Marines. Seeing them clash though would be wicked as f**k though and my monkey brain loves seeing big, burly, monster people beating the ever-loving crap out of each other.
Covenant is what Tau should be, but GW leaned too much into the mecha aspect. Like IG they should have 2 ways of playing, hoard with the diverse aliens and heavy machines
I've always believed that Master Chief in all his time could only come right below a space marine in terms of skill. Not because of how badass he is, not because of his honors and career, but simply because of his biology. The Spartans were inspired off the Astartes, but if you look at the history of the Halo franchise and Warhammer respectively, the Astartes has at least a decade of more writing on the Spartans. Both lores on the creations of these super soldiers are awesome (and I'd be remiss if I ignored the Sardaukar O.G.) but Master Chief is the runner up as a super soldier to the Astartes, and he still struggled to take the Covenant down throughout the games. If the Covenant was transferred to 40k, they would probably at least ten times more numerous than what we see in the games/know in the lore. That's my entirely subjective take on it
Second Edition for 40k came out in the kid 90s. Fall of Reach (the first Halo book) was released in 2000. No clue when the first Soace Marine based novel came out but I don’t think it was till later. The game lore was all they had for a while
I've always thought Spartans would be an interesting addition to the Imperium. Much better than a Guardsman, less effective but far cheaper and easier than an Astartes, it would be neat to see how they fit into things.
@@TheSchultinator spartans would be on level with astartes, and even then high tier astartes. It would take a hundred or thousand astartes to board and destroy a ship, but just 3 or 4 spartans using stealth and agility. They could usually not win a fair fight, but then they are smart enough to give themselves the advantage. A spartan is only a bit stronger than an elite, and weaker than a brute, but one spartan can still kill hundreds.
I think the Covenant would be good. Two items I'd adress were I writing a codex for them. One their society is far TOO effective to be placed in 40k; I'd lean more heavily on the infighting we see in the books. (ElitesVsBrutes, JackalsVsGrunts, DronesVsEngineers, ProphetVsProphet). Play that up a bit more to justify Two split them into smaller Codicies(?) like Imperial Guard or SpaceMarines. This would let you have the whole Covenant but you could pick (Particular Justice giving you Thel Vadame, and leaning more on Elites and 'Elite' troop choices, Prophet lead fleets giving you more orbital support forerunner weapon choices)
If you want tabletop Halo, the Combined Army from Infinity skirmish wargame are basically that. You have a combination of different alien races under one leadership, with Morats being basically the halo brutes and Shasvastii being sneaky infiltrators with Arbiter vibes
Some other scifi non-Halo factions I could see surviving the 40k universe: Chimera from Resistance Reapers from Mass Effect Brethren Moons from Dead Space The Hive from Destiny Helghast from Killzone Kirby from Kirby CIS from Star Wars Mind Flayers from D&D Scrin from Command & Conquer
The Helghast would probably be absorbed into the Imperium since there basically human (what ever mutations they do have are tiny compared to other abhumans)
Gotta admit, my initial fanboy brain reaction was "Fuck you," but you did a DAMN good job elaborating on your points in a concise, consistently entertaining manner. Still think they fill the same role as Tau in lore, in a bunch of ways, but they'd be a nice middle ground between hard hitting units, swarm infantry tactics, and vehicle superiority. Honestly I think Covenant battlefield versatility would be on par with Ultrasmurfs. Looking forward to more of this series!
If the possibility of the tau being replaced by the covenant happens, then I will quickly let it happen since I’v been waiting for a faction that uses different alien species with caste specific roles, not sub-species.
My intention is not to make everyone angry with this video but a fun idea I had for two franchises I love. Now that being said, the SEQUEL to this might piss people off. But again it’s all in good fun. And we’ll get to that when we get to that.
well chapters like the space wolves are not just about melee, thing about space marines is they learn & adapt to situations quickly. on top of this a chapter is nearly 1k marines (chapters like black templars & space wolves still maintain the old legion sizes of marines in their command structure, so give or take 10k- 30k marines), that's a lot of bolters/ soldiers. the reason so many people say 40k wins is that they are comparing one universes tech level & military might against the other. in this way 40k does win by a mile, but its dishonest in its assessment if said faction did exist in universe. the covenant would still have problems with tyrranids because they can adapt mutations to neutralize heat & physical based weapons. that & a hive fleets contain an absolute fucking uncountable number of hostile organisms chaos can still fuck with a races technology. imperium would turn their crusade against man into a bloody slog that goes nowhere/ war of attrition necrons would make the covenant a new asshole with their gauss flayers& eldritch technology eldar would do circles around covenant ship formations. long story short the covenant being in forty thousand should not be a who wins scenario or question, it should be can the covenant survive in 40k kind of question
Another plus for the Covenant in 40k is that you also introduce the Goblin (Mecha piloted by Grunts that can jump hundreds of feet in the air & potentially outrace speeders), the Banished and their units (Would make for a nice subfaction that’s similar to the Farsight Enclaves), or the Prelates (Prophet Custodes that can temporarily ignore gravity).
One advantage the covenant has over 40k factions that would help win battles is their ships. Throughout the halo games the Covenant often used ships such as cruisers and corvettes to support the ground troops. Cruisers especially were seen glassing parts of the battlefield. So if the covenant ever felt like they could lose they would be able to call a cruiser or two to glass enemy strongpoints and command structures or could have the ships pound the battleline with plasma bombs
THANK YOU! Genuinely thank ever since I got into 40k this thought has always been knawing in the back of my mind, thank you for putting what some people thought, the Covenant would be an amazing faction in 40k I'd say they'd fit in better than the Tau (don't hate me I do like the Tau but I'd they'd fit more)
Does my guy forget that the “humble lasgun” exterminated every species in the 40k galaxy except for the major factions? The lasgun is said to have hundreds of shots before recharging from an hour in the sun, and each shot can blow flak armor to tiny chunks… Idk just a thought
Problem with that is Flak Armor is one of the worst armors. Lasguns are only good when they're en-masse and you have thousands of them dumping into one enemy that's actually well armored, if not more. Lasers aren't good against any kind of actual armor unless it's made out of paper (like flak) or you have a huge firing line to make sure the thing you want dead is actually dead. Like a wise Chaos Marine once said: Those who do not fear the lasgun have not faced a million of them firing at once
@@artikreven mostly fair but still, the lasgun is about a rough equivalent to a modern .45 caliber rifle methinks Not incredibly powerful by future standards, but en masse as you stated it can do quite a lot
The thought of the Tyranids assimilating the Flood is a terrifying one. Just what the space bugs need - Also being able to turn their victims into zombies on the battlefield...
@@matthewrobinson6091 The Tyranids are impossible to defeat via biological means. The flood is awesome, yeah - But the Tyranids would win. They are endless, as long as there is biomass.
@@matthewrobinson6091I think that they'd welcome each other with open arms. The fight that would ensue would be purely to see what parts are weak and need to be consumed and absorbed and what needs to be kept.
covenant plasma pistols also when charged beyond a simple fire can also produce an emp like effect, i could see that shutting down, at least temporarily with the necrons
I feel like the only problem with this is that their just the Tau on crack. So yeah just replace the tua with the convernent. Also how do I kitbash them into Warhammer I want to do it.
@@KissMy2Moons Hahaaaaaas!!!!!!!! No:- The Tau will stomp the Covenant. The Tau Empire, the smallest faction of 40k, have trillions of troops and millions of Warships. You don't believe me, well here are some quotes about from the Tau Codex:- """""'''The Ethereal Supreme, Aun'wei of the Whispered Wisdom, signals the commencement of the Second Sphere Expansion with 'the nod that launched a million ships'."""""''''' A million ships ranging from kilometre long heavily armed Merchant ships to hulking Carriers. And while not all of those are warships, but it gives an idea of the Tau Industrial capacity. The Covenant at there height only had 100,000 ships, with only a quarter of them being Capital Ships. Make no mistake, the Tau are small, but only by 40k standards. """"""""'Deathwatch Achilus Assault said: [...]the Tau Empire has nevertheless made great advances into Imperial space in recent years, spreading at a rapid rate from a handful of worlds to a coalition of dozens of races all gathered together under the strong leadership of the Tau themselves.""""''' Their empire includes dozens of races. """""""Index: Xenos 2 said: Aun’Va is the Ethereal Supreme, a beloved leader who emboldens trillions of T’au hearts with his inspirational rhetoric.""'''''' The Covenant at their height has billions of troops. While The Tau Empire has Trillions of Tau fire Caste warriors alone. This also doesn't include the hundreds of billions of auxiliaries of other races, such as Kroot and Gue'vesa: """""""""Codex: Tau (8th Edition) said: Of all the different species integrated into the T'au Empire, the Kroot are by far the most common auxiliaries serving alongside the Fire caste, with many billions of their kind armed for war and assigned to the Hunter Cadres of nearly every sept.""""""'' The Tau also regularly bring billions of soldiers to bear: """""""""War Zone Damocles Kauyon said: Billions of warriors follow Aun’Va and O’Shaserra in the war against Mankind, comprising by far the greatest concentration of the Tau Empire’s military might. The Tau view the Emperor’s realm as some vast, aged beast. Its every monstrous swipe can destroy an entire sept, but it is ponderous too, old and tired."""''''''' In terms of planets, well that depends on which period in the Tau's history we are talking about. The move from the First to Second Sphere of Expansion was a jump from 8 to 100 worlds: """"""""""Codex: Tau (4th Edition) said: Though not extensive, it encompasses a region of space some three hundred light years in diameter, with the Tau homeworld at its centre, and just over a hundred settled worlds."""""""" So from above quotes, we can see Tau has trillions of troops and at least a million ships. And this is before the fifth sphere of expansion. So in short they will stomp the Covies.
If what I read is correct, the covenant only had 3-5 super carriers. The Imperium (I believe. I could be wrong) has 2-3 times that many emperor class super ships (example: Maccrages Honor). The Mechanicus has 3-5 of their dark age super ships that can distort space-time. Something that would be interesting would be the Covenant vs the Tau. Their population numbers are more evenly matched for the covenant than any other faction.
Great video, and there other weapons such as needlers that can have slight tracking, to fuel rods for anti-armor, as well as that they have a higher use of energy shielding tech that is capable of recharging extremely fast
14:25 actually i think the main symbol the Tau uses is actually a mildly modified version of the forerunner symbol (more specifically the bungie version (halo 1, 2, 3, and reach features this icon)) which that, combined with their relentless growth would make The Covenant think that the Tau ARE the forerunners (or at least a surviving fragment of the forerunners). That would lead to the covenant flawlessly joining the Tau empire and give the Tau a flat tech boost that would allow them to overpower the imperium easily. Religion with both ends might produce a schism between the two from fully joining the either (the humans that work for the Tau would def get the Covenant a little weary), it wouldn't stop them from being working closely together. Or the Covenant view the Tau as heretical mockery of the forerunners and just glass them, either or is pretty believable.
A good faction, but a small one Kinda like a larger Ta'u Empire mixed with the fanatacism of the Imperium and tech-scavenging of the Mechanicum of Mars
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I have a weird question can pre retcon dr strange survive Warhammer 40k and can dr fate or the silver surfer survive Warhammer 40k?
To be fair warhammer 40k did copied xenorph and Starshiptroopers and dune so calling StarCraft a rip off is a but hypocritical.
@@jamespaguip5913 don’t know much about comics or the silver surfer but based off the Marvel movies I’m sure Dr Strange could survive. He could always just portal away when shit gets serious and he pulled of some major magic fuckery in some of the movies.
Honestly I believe that 40K beats Halo simply due to numbers
You do realize Space Marines can perceive things and think faster than literally any biological being in the universe right it wouldn't be a fair fight in melee we're at rains in Space Marines aren't as brain-dead as received they are actually extremely confident Warriors they just prefer to close and personal with their opponents
A xeno calling a Space Marine a Heretic would result in said space marine having an aneurysm
*heavily armoured tempertantrum
This is the best comment ever made
@@twisted_fo0l 20mm autocannon going off in the background.
to quote Helbrecht from TTS if he ever heard a xeno say that to him or his brothers, "i am crusading...INWARDLY!"
"HERETIC!!"
N-NO IM NOT!! Y-YYOU'RE THE HERETIC!!! YOU!!! * bursts into tears *
"Youre existence is an affront to us all, Heretic."
"YOU HAVE THE GALL TO SAY SUCH TO ME, XENO?"
"Strong words Demon."
*elite calls a guardsmen a heretic*
commissar: thank you for bringing this to my attention xenos filth
*two loud bangs*
It’d be funny to see both sides getting so absolutely confused when they call each other heretics. Like “hey wait a minute that’s our word you can’t say that.”
@@pancreasnowork9939 absolutely. Also energy sword vs chainsword duel.
@@Cynidecia The energy sword is a plasma weapon that most elites are trained in to the point of mastery, and it's designed for 1 on 1 melee combat (which I'm presuming this is)
If the chain of the chainsword got severed by the plasma of the energy sword then the energy sword would win 9 times out of 10
@@Cynidecia Energy swords are more equivalent to Powerswords but: chainswords have been shown to stand up to (read: not get immediately cut in half by) powerswords in a few stories. They get gnarled up pretty fast and lose teeth with every strike but they'll hold. For a bit.
Thinking of the covenant makes me wish the T’au had more aliens in their ranks with table top representation
It honestly sucks GW/Citadel doesn't capitalize on the Tau being a multi-species empire outside of some kroot models and a unit of vespids
@@georgekerscher5355 Well unfortunately it would take money and effort to make new models and races for the Tau. You know money and effort they would have to take away from Space Marines...
@@dazmaz1269 they keep making battlesuits, though, so I guess people not buying the (3 remaining) tau alien models is the problem.
The other aliens would be perfect as hero specialists which are lacking in the tau lineup
@@malloc7108 Are they good in the table top though? Most of the time they just buff the battle suits.
"If the Covenant is so powerful, why didn't they win in the Halo games?"
Well, they had their own version of the Horus Heresy happen to them.
The Great Schism, oh what an adventure that was.
Yeah they did come VERY close to winning.
@@lordduckofquackTruth did a coup in the middle of a flood outbreak on a Halo ring, around which High Charity was orbiting it was a really stupid idea and had predictable results.
@seekingabsolution1907 Truth did a bit of an oopsie and it came back to stab him in the back
@@jmp7278 A very hot stab mind you.
Something I kinda liked in the halo games was how outclassed marines were in almost every encounter, I’ve always remembered getting lost in the silent cartographer and seeing all the landing party dead with no enemy corpses it truly made me realise just how the covenant were blitzing through humanity effortlessly barring speed bumps which is what the Spartans were. And remember the flood and various heresy they committed troops to during the war as well.
IIRC, humanity was actually able to fight fairly well against the covenant on the ground, existing at somewhat of a parody.
What humanity didn’t have was numbers and orbital control, because it’s in space where humanity got is shit pushed in
@@khaaneph7311 This basically. Humanity were actually able to hold their own relatively well on the ground because the Covenant more so relied on technological superiority and brute force and obviously humanity has a long history of using ground tactics as a species. Doesn't mean they never used tactics (more for their navy then anything else) but humanity did relatively well on their own on the ground.
@@thotslayer9914 Most usually killed in the glassing. They rarely saved a good amount of people. The reason why the Infinity was made originally was to be a life vessel so that humanity could live on.
@@thotslayer9914 the UNSC Infinity and Eternity.
Why is it that people always get the marines wrong when they make these kinds on comments?
The marines kicked PROPER ASS on the ground. Humanity was losing in SPACE.
In reality, the only reason the Covenant “lost” the war was because the Prophets (specifically one Prophet) said to themselves
‘Now seems like a really good time to try to destroy the Elites.’
And launched themselves into a Civil War between the Brutes and Elites when Earth was literally about to fall and Humanity was going to lose.
“Why yes I do think it’s a good idea to kill off almost all of our military commanders in favor of stupid monkeys literally called Brutes during the climax of a 30 year war against another spacefaring civilization known for outsmarting us.” -the prophet of truth.
@@pancreasnowork9939 also big green angry primate who keeps blowing up your toys
I felt this realization too.
"The Covenant would just win if they didn't purge the Elites"
And in actuality, it's a bit more complicated. The Elites joined the Covenant for the same reasons as the other races, but as time went on they started to question some core principals of the religion. The Prophets kept on spouting their religious jargon, but it came to a tipping point.
The Prophets made a first strike at the Elites because if they didn't, they'd most likely just mega lose instantly. There was no "Oh if we just hold off 2 years then we can beat the humans and then curb the Elites", it was go time right there right then.
@@tylerbaker6311 Still, they couldn’t have chosen a worse time:
Humanity was about to lose the war.
They had just found another “holy ring.”
The “demon” was still alive and on the ring.
The flood was re-appearing, and latter ON High Charity.
I mean……could they have not waited like a month or so?
@@bigj1905 Putting it into the context of the time, the Brutes we're very similar to the Elites, but they didn't question the Prophets. And in some ways they even did better than the Elites. They literally slotted in the Brutes over the Elites into their royal guard, and Tartarus was getting things done very well (Boss Brute in Halo 2). I think that they were in a net neutral, if not net positive gain in power for this move.
Another thing that happened was the case of the Arbiter. The Arbiter was a tried and true way of eliminating political rivals of the Prophets, while also getting the best Elite warriors to do their bidding. In a way this is kind of a mini-great schism, because they're constantly sending their political rivals into hopeless situations.
With these two points, starting the Great Schism and getting rid of the Elites from the Covenant and striking first is 1. In their nature and goes hand in hand with the system of the Arbiter, and 2. Gives them the most power in the situation.
Again, think of a world where the Covenant's council is still half Prophets and half Elites. Once they get to the tipping point of "We're not going to take this anymore", they start allocating resources, they make plans to attack high-value targets, etc. If you don't let them get in that mindset, and wipe out all sorts of authority and command structure, then you no longer have a threat.
I like to think of it like a Hitler situation. He could have just finished off the Allies and then turned on the Russians, but due to his nature and the way that they had dealt with Communism and political dissidents, they started a 2 front war. He expected Russia to be a pushover, and it wasn't. I think you can apply the same line of thinking here
The Tau are basically the epitome of “we have the Covenant at home”
Truuuuuee
Althoug i love the T’au (i Even collect them) this is true
Not even. The Covenant would eradicate the Tau on their way to a real battle.
@@HolyknightVader999 Considering that the Covenant spend 27 years trying to kill the UNSC and still failed, the War with the Tau would take hundreds of years to complete and most likely would end up in a Tau victory.
@@nobleman9393 The Covenant were winning every major battle with mankind, and would have won if half the Covenant didn't quit on them. Even the most heavily-defended planet could barely put up a fight. Also, it only took that long because the Covenant didn't know where the humans were, due to the humans' retreat patterns being randomized to avoid the Covenant figuring out their locations. If the Covvies had a galaxy map of where the human worlds were, the war would have ended in weeks, not years.
The absolute, GREATEST, example of the Sangheili Honor Code comes from the surveillance footage of a squad of Elites breaking into a barrack, instructing the Humans to dress and steel themselves for battle, waits for everyone to gear up and ready themselves... Then activate their Camo technology and massacred everyone inside... Being better, is not dishonorable.
This was a big misunderstanding. The elites are just uncomfortable with nudity.
Funny thing is, that was actually our good sir Thel Vadamee during the Covenant War before he became the Arbiter
What media was that from? It sounds great
I THINK it comes from the "Fall of Reach" book.@@saphironkindris
@@caesoniasAquaria
The halo 2 anniversary terminals, actually.
Brutes can tear Spartans literally in half, so watching them go one on one against Orks or even Astartes would be insane
Not quite in half. Your thinking of unaugmented humans
@@KillerOrca nah they really did tear into a spartan in one book, First Strike. Granted he blew her up by firing his brute shot point blank into her stomach. Brutes are one of the physically strongest beings in Halo, with some chieftains even bodying hunters. The high gravity on their planet made it where they needed extremely dense muscle and bones to even walk upright so they are tougher and stronger than they appear.
@@clanmclaren6647 That’s a weapon, not the Brute. Brute shots are basically bolters anyway so
@@KillerOrca Brutes are not given enough cred in-game. They are easily stronger than a spartan II, like how Atriox essentially dismantled Red Team in Halo War 2, or how Chief got his ass beat by the same dude despite his fancy new armor and experience. If Spartans were made to rival Elite Zealots and other sangheili troops, a brute chieftain could very easily peel the armor off of one like a banana. They are terrifying and I'm surprised more people don't bring up the fact that Spartan IV's were essentially stronger RvB freelancers put up against miniature King Kongs that easily overpower the Demigods that were the II's.
If I were to boil it down, Brutes are to Spartan II's what Primaris Space Marines are to maybe Sisters of Battle in terms of pure, physical strength.
@@donatedorb4094 dude I remember hating brutes in halo 2 for their Arsenal… or lack thereof.
They had way too much health, berserked when they got pissed and because this is halo 2 not halo 3, unless they had a plasma rifle, they almost always had a brute shot.
And even in 3 where they introduced more weapons they’re still a force to be reckoned. The mauler is a revolver shotgun, the brute shot is as mentioned above, insane. Gravity hammers are “shock hammers but better”the spiker is probably the weakest and it’s still shooting super heated crystals at a high fire rate.
Then the vehicles. Choppers are giant motorcycles made to tear through other vehicles, not to mention each one is decked out with duel shot cannons that spit out the same stuff that brute shots also fire.
Honestly, if someone started making crossover animation or games, then I would just accept the Covenant into 40K
There’s a tragically low amount of fan art as well, all I can find are some pieces with Master Chief as a marine and some admittedly kickass conversions of Marine minis into Spartans.
But by god an animation of an Elite vs an Astartes would be tremendous.
Considering how GW recently nuked the 40K fan animation community…
Can look up mini figures or art of sangheili in tau like armor
wait CSGhost you do WH40K and halo
@@pancreasnowork9939space marines board a covenant ship, blast through a lot of the weaker species, then the air starts speaking “AAAAAAWUDUBUP” and suddenly a energy sword finds it’s way through a space marine
Most grunts are also adolescents so +1 for grimdark points
Krieg mass defects to the Covenant because they’ve been outdone in the child soldier department
But they are just xenos, so -20 for grimdark!
@@pancreasnowork9939
grunts and krieg soldiers can become gasmask buds.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 The both of them are also involved in a past rebellion that made them who they are so they've got plenty of things to talk about too
@@takebacktheholyland9306 You know... before they shell their own position.
Also! Also! Personal shields are *COMMON EQUIPMENT* in the Covenant. Elites use them universally, and the Brutes were able to engineer their own variants by the time of Halo Infinite. That's a significant advantage at the infantry level.
And all it takes to shatter them is a few hits from weapons like the assault rifle, the imperium classifies those guns as "stubbers" a weapon so prolific and powerless that it is predominantly used by PDF and civilian forces while the imperial guard meatshields get vastly superior lasguns.
@@KT-pv3kl
You don't know how powerful an UNSC Assault rifle is. Each and every bullet is an anti armor round that is fully capable of piecing through a thick layer of a titanium alloy that Spartan armor is made of which said armor practically immune to small arms fire . That thing would turn Guardsmen into Swiss cheese. At best the laz gun is equal to an UNSC Assault Rifle if not there inferior in terms of sheer damage. A charged laz shot would be better but that isn't standard.
Besides, literally every sci fi in existence is at least this level if not higher. Even the marines from AvP have light armor piercing explosive runds as standard bullets for ammunition.
@@godofallrealities51 small arms include assault rifles and as you clearly stated the spartan armor doesn't even hold up to such small arms. You really need to learn how to construct an argument because in the very halo universe there are a whole host of "small arms" that can puncture spartan armor. It's quite the opposite of "practically immune" to "small arms". Even the Spartans pistol can damage a spartan in armor and that's as small as small arms get in halo!
Also I don't disagree that halo assault rifles are effective against mere guardsmen the Imperiums meatshields. The same is true for stubbers hence why they are comparable.
@@KT-pv3kl
Because the standard UNSC weapons isn't your standard small arms that a civilian can get their hands on especially when compared to today's small arms.
A Halo Magnum uses a 50 caliber semi armor piercing high explosive. The type of bullet meant to damage armored vehicles. Even the small arms of the UNSC is just barely comparable to the traditional small arms of today. So, what I'm saying is that "small arms" as the one's the UNSC don't use can't damage spartan armor while the UNSC standard "small arms" weapons are more then capable because there that much better, so of course their be plenty of UNSC and Covenant weapons that could pierce Spartan armor because all of them are made to be up to UNSC standards or above.
Ok barley comparable is a stretch but still there standards are that of higher calibers and almost always simi if not fully armor piercing.
@@KT-pv3kl those assault rifles fire high density titanium cored high power rifle rounds with 100,000 plus psi chamber pressure (double that of 7.62 nato) at 800 rounds per minute with very high accuracy. Think sabot rounds hitting the same spot 13 times a second. These rounds aren't designed to be one shot penetraters but to cause armor to deteriorate until it fails. Thats why even the battle rifle fires in burst. It hits the same spot with three rounds before the recoil impulse throws any of the shots off target
Absolutely this. Remember that master chief didnt even defeat the covenant, he just protected humanity for long enough for the covenant to have a civil war. The idea that grunts can throw 1 shot grenades is terrifying.
Not just throw... those will straight up suicide bomb your ass if it comes to it.
Chief’s actions indirectly caused said Civil War in the first place, so he kinda did destroy the covenant
@@Peter_Turbo4 he more sped up a process which was gonna happen. Still credit where credits due.
@@Peter_Turbo4 eh not really, the covenant were barrelling towards a mass civil conflict ever since Truth, Regret and Mercy realised large chunks of the religion were a lie and that if the elites ever found out about this it would be the end of the san'Shyyum and the covenant. It was that discovery that triggered the genocidal campaign against humanity in the first place so the first domino had already been knocked over well before chief began interfering.
So what you're saying is. The covenant would stand zero chance in 40k since the factions in 40k actually have militaries that would mop the floor with the covenant alright
the covenant would be amazing in 40k. and on the honor of elites keep this in mind. They assaulted a unsc garrison and before the attack warning was even sounded they were already inside. The marines were still getting on armor and getting their weapons in the barracks when the elites entered. The elites stood there and allowed them to continue getting ready for battle before slaughtering them once they were. No one would do that in 40k
That group was also lead by Thel Vadamee. So you would expect him to follow the rules of honor!
One of the reasons I ALWAYS loved the elites in halo. Most of them are very honorable. Key word being most. But legit they could have always been on the side of humanity, their honor and strength made them far and away the backbone of the covenant. They could do anything well. They never needed the covenant, they just agreed with it and chose to follow it. That scared the prophets.
The thought that each and every squad of elites out there has it in them to potentially duke it out with a pair of hunters and win is legendary
@@5stargrim I mean, high skill and experience does lead to confidence.
It's very inconsistent in the lore though and very situational. Sure an Elite might wait till you pick up a lead pipe before murdering you but more often they wouldn't and just burn you all to death from orbit (very 40k if you ask me). Elites seem honourable mostly because of aesthetics but they are basically the Imperium lite but with Aliens - which is one reason I like them as a civilisation. And they pack a pretty big punch relative to their size. A lot of sci-fi factions seem very underpowered and wimpy. And while the Covenant do suffer from having pitifully small numbers in some cases (sci-fi authors have no sense of scale) they're still a potent force.
Though they would still be a relatively small faction in 40k, given than the Covenant occupy part of the Orion Arm of the Milky Way in Halo and the Imperium has millions of worlds across the Galaxy.
But they could certainly be on the level of the Tau or stronger, a potent force in whatever part of the galaxy they were in. But if they suddenly appeared in the orion arm that would be them in the centre of the Segmentum Solar right next to Terra which is about as high on the list as you can get in terms of threats to the Imperium so they'd have a pretty hard time. The Imperium's main asset isn't Astartes or their ships or really any of their tech but the sheer numbers of men and materiel they can muster. Single worlds in the Imperium have a greater population than all of Humanity in the Halo universe.
But if the Covenant were in another part of the galaxy the Imperium would have a harder time gathering enough forces to actively destroy them and it wouldn't be an easy fight.
I remeber reading a Halo book that discribes a Needler wound. A marine trys to give his comrade Biofoam to stop the bleeding, but then the needle shard explodes and the sharpnel cuts up everyone in the warthog. Shit gave nightmares.
I read somethint like that, get a needle embedded and it shreds the inside of you around it. Often kills people even if they aren’t hit with an instant kill shot just because it shreds them.
Yeah, Needlers are cute and all in-game but they’d be terrifying razor-spewing death machines IRL, especially if you have no armour.
There’s a shot in the Halo TV show where a Marine gets impaled in the chest by a few of them and he fucking _disintegrates_ into a cloud of blood a few seconds later. They didn’t get a lot right in that show but they did the Needler justice.
@@ShawFujikawa yea it’s literally localized shrapnel explosions you can stick in a person. In wh40k that would definitely fuck people up. That stuff even does good damage to armor if it can embed in it
It's actually from the first Halo book, Fall of Reach
There's some pretty scary stuff in 40K to: Lasguns kill by flash boiling the liquid in your body, causing it to explode violently and blowing a good sized hole in you. Boltguns are basically grenade launchers, and getting hit by one will basically vaporize you. Neuron gauss flayers literally rip you apart on a molecular level, and are so powerful that a basic infantry rifle can kill tanks.
Then there's the stuff made by Chaos and the Dark Eldar, but that stuff will definitely get my comment deleted.
Imagining the Raven Guard and a Fleet master joining up to wipe out a orc threat while one segmentum over another fleet master is turning a bunch of black templars into molten glass would be hilarious
They'd be a mirror of Tau and the Imperium. Which might be pretty cool mix honestly. Covenant with actual magic would be lit.
Seeing Forerunner crap around would be cool, the ancient human stuff in Halo could literally just be Golden Age Humanity stuff so that tracks. The progenitors could have just been the Old ones etc. It would be stupid easy to slid the Halo universe into 40k with very little jiggering.
Necron vs Forerunner knights would funny. My space skeleton is better! No Mine!
Hell even the UNSC could fit in as a less grimdark human faction balancing annihilation from two sides. Cultural annihilation from the Imperium and full on death from the Covenant.
@@redenginner Rational humans jn an irrational universe
If it's done when the emperor is alive I think he would back the UNSC and use them as a example of what all worlds should be like. If after I think any loyal primarchs would try to protect the UNSC once they join the empirum, seeing it as a way to reach the dream they fought for.
The UNSC could be a loss group of human worlds that might be saved near the end of the war.
@@KillerOrca Basically. They would be relieved to get contact with the Imperium only to have a world slapped with a compliance operation and the admech demanding they destroy their abominable intelligence. Which would cause yes amount of freakout especially since the Imperium might be able to bypass the cole protocol.
The unsc could liye literally be just a technocracy separated from the imperium
Also the covenant aren’t afraid to use their enemies weapons on the battlefield. Sure they wouldn’t add it to their arsenal. But imagine a Brute Chieftain ripping a space marines arms off, then using the marine’s Boltor to kill the rest and even keeping it as a trophy of his victory.
They'd be more likely to get a couple 100 boltors from raids and such, and then reverse engineer them to become better
@@higrunt9844 yes, and the covenant are quite competent at reverse engineering technology.
Most of their tech is reverse engineered from forerunners.
If they can get their hands on Necron tech they will add it to their arsenal.
@@zahylon5993 exactly
If he rips off a space marines arm, the marine will just pull out a knife and stab him with the other arm, then take his gun back and wield it one handed.
Seriously, there are a ton of scenes in the lore where a space marine loses an arm and just keeps on trucking like nothing happened. Heck, I read a story where a space marine kept fighting after losing an arm and being impaled through the gut. He called it a "minor injury"
@@addisonwelsh I said arms plural
It's nice to hear a sci-fi 40k crossover video that isn't just 'W40k wins because lowest tier grunt shoots giant rocket machine gun and go up from there.' Fine work and I wish I'd found this sooner.
The lowest tier grunt would still win though, you have to fanboy pretty hard to ignore the ridiculousness of there being rocket machineguns firing tank rounds like the bare minimum.
@@bovineavenger734 Again, stealth. 😱😱😱😱😱
@@bovineavenger734 At least we don't go to Hell every time we warp space. That and ill glass your planet from this corner of my galaxy.
@@bovineavenger734 You have to fanboy pretty hard and have no clue of actual scale to believe that a Bolter which is .75 caliber or 0.75 caliber aka 19.04mm. Is magically shooting tank rounds.
The Bolters caliber is smaller than a Mk19 MGL . Which is a machine gun that shoots 40mm grenades.
40k fan boys hype up the bolter to unrealistic levels then act like babies when you tear down their argument with realism. And actual stated facts.
Yeah but the regular bolter is an HMG in the imperium. The covenant equivalent to this is the phantom's plasma cannon, or maybe even just the normal plasma cannon found on turret mounts and wraiths.
Something about the covenant that reminds me of the dark eldar in a way is their mobility, in the sense that the capital, high charity, and other valuable assets like the shipyard in first strike are all mobile and capable of slipspace travel.
Unyielding Hierophant?
@@Enderguy059 yeah man that's it.
POV: A Covenant Elite zealot walks up to a Dark Angels marine. He slowly approaches the demigod and whispers a single word into his ear.
“Heretic”
The Space Marine begins to Seethe, then his head turns cherry red and he starts screaming at the xeno while kicking and throwing anything and everything around him like a rag doll.
I mean it seems pretty likely to me that there would have been a couple dozen minor alien species that would refer to them like that every now and then.
The crusades would likely call them "roadbumps".
@@Hust91 Actually the Crusdes would consider them incredibly Irritating. Because of sheer numbers and plasma based weapons. And a much better fight than most other xenos at the time.
Not a major threat but not a speed bump.
@@John2r1 I meant the many minor species and factions calling them heretics, not specifically the Covenant.
@@Hust91 Yeah like the Tau with their greater good bs. Which are basically a minor version of the Covenant. Which is kind of why the Covenant would fit into 40k in the current setting.
Their too large in number for the Imperium to just wipe them out but also not so much of a threat that they themselves could actually win that fight either. So it kind of ends up as a stalemate.
The loyalists Astartes would mostly be called demon's not heretics.
Of course the Covenant are about as ignorant of what an actual demon is as the Tau are. They might figure it out but would still call Astartes demon's as an insult to the Astartes.
@@John2r1 yeah and its cool that their beliefs would probably manifest in forerunner-based gods as that one comment said, strengthening them further and making them less likely to break them from within since their beliefs are made manifest. They also believed that using the Halo rings would make them ascend, i dont know how that would fit in with this... "lore". Hmmm.. their belief in the forerunners came from them encountering forerunner tech. Which would mean that there would be actual forerunners sometime in this timeline. and if those forerunners are gone because they "ascended" via halo rings, that would bring in the flood too and the precursors... and ancient humanity since they "helped" make the flood grow so much. If that stuff happened i wonder how it fits in with the 40k timeline and how it would merge with some things or change them since they wouldnt really work parallel to each other. I would also like a story where an Elite calls someone from the Imperium a heretic and stuff. Interesting interesting interesting!
When you lay it out like this they sound like better Tau. Also you could slot in the Old Ones for the Forerunners without too much of a retcon. Just say they're a bunch of abandoned Old Ones experiments, their ancestors built a religion around the gods they could barely remember and now they think they're the chosen ones. They even have evidence for it; the Eldar owned themselves, and humanity worships a false god. Crushing humanity is the last test left by the Old Ones before they can ascend to become THE Galactic Race.
"Better Tau," the better Tau that don't have giant fuck off railguns are still somehow better Tau.
@@lolroflroflcakes I think when every space battle worthy ship fires a massive death beam it makes up for it.
@@JsphCrrll It does not.
@@lolroflroflcakes The capital ships are firing beams that equal the output of a small star, as shown in HALO 3 when they glass chunks of Earth. Humanity's railgun's weren't stronger than the Covenant weapons, the Covenant shields were designed with energy weapons in mind, not hypersonic solid slugs.
@@lolroflroflcakes
Better hyperspeed, better weapons and hardware for most levels of engagement, and better utilization of specialized species within the collective.
Railguns, markerlights, propaganda, and being related to the much more interesting Q;Orl are the Tau's only redeeming features. The Covenant have answers to everything besides the Q;Orl, and more besides.
Plus, they can fight in melee, and have a wonderful chaff Troop choice that you can smile when they meet unfortunate ends.
I could see the Tau being completely integrated into Covenant (a decade or two after being conquered of course) with Crisis Battlesuits being dropped in along with scarab walkers and Elites using Tau drones. So badass
With their battlesuits being maintained & repaired by the lekgolo that would be sweet
I could totally see the battle suits being used how the empire in star wars used the AT-ST being a “light” scout walker and hitting smaller targets and escorting the big AT-AT’s
People often forget that tau are fanatics too. If etherials ask tau to kill themselves, they will.
imagine a space marine cracks open a tau suit only to find worms, just so many worms @@KissMy2Moons
Dark Eldar: *tortures grunt slave*
Grunt: you big meanie!
Dark Eldar: *feels pleasure from torturing grunt*
A jackal mercenary working for Dark Eldar: *kicks grunt*
Dark Eldar: ah, so you love torture of others too?
Jackal mercenary: no I just hate grunts
Problem is actually capturing and transporting a 5ft 5in tall 260 lbs Chimpanzee , Crab , Goblin armored baster with plasma weapons aka the Grunts. Or worst a Grunt veteran /pilot in a Goblin battlesuit.
Which given that a Goblin is 13.5 ft tall mech suit that is well heavily armed and the pilot has a shielded cockpit oh and it can fly with thruster's . He kind of down played the Grunts a bit considering these xenos bastards actually stalemated the entire Covenant during a rebellion.
Their highest ranking and most respected member of their race is called Yapyap the Destroyer for a reason. The second highest ranking is named Yabda the merciless he's a Unggoly Stormtrooper basically.
Third highest ranking but arguably the more intelligent of the 3 is Yayap an intelligent unggoly who distinguished himself during the battle of Instillation 04. So yeah not quite the easiest race to pick on. Considering how heavily armed said race is. A Unggoly is as likely to rip a Dark Eldar's arms off as it is to coward in a corner.
@@John2r1 A Drukhari would just incapacitate a Grunt with a splinter gun or other weapons that are designed to put their victims in a state of complete agony instead of killing them, The DE captured and transported much worse things.
@@nobleman9393 They would have to get through the Grunts body armor and exoskeleton or their thick hide designed to deal with predators on a planet where not getting a meal means your probably going to die of starvation. And that also means getting within firing range of a Grunt whom has astonishingly fast finger reflex speed, as they can fire a plasma pistol at almost the same rate a Sangheili can with a plasma rifle.
To put that into perspective the Unggoy can fire a plasma pistol at 540 rounds per minute. That's 8.9 rounds per second. I'm fairly sure that a Drukhari is not immune to plasma weapons fire that is capable of vaporizing a human torso.
Oh and Unggoy are not deployed as single units. Ie they are deployed as armies or regiments in large scale combat. The smallest number of Grunts your Drukhari is likely to come across is a file of 5 to 20 of them. And what do you think is going to happen when a Unggoy Imperial which is a veteran who happens to also be a Unggoy Heavy which carries a fuel rod cannon/ gun sees your Drukhari space elf shoot one of his sons .
Would it be option A. Retreat and let his kid be killed or captured. Or
Option B. Unload all 5 Class-2 38mm radioactive explosive fuel rods into said Drukhari's face.
That's not a hard choice for a member of a species that value their children and family ties above their own lives. Now when one shoots back the pack mentality they have will take over as all of them are going on the offensive.
Or worst if that Unggoy who got hit and the Drukhari is in the process of loading up has a Unggoy Jockey aka Pnap-pattern Goblin battlesuit pilot as it's father. At which point we'll that Drukhari is going to get smeared across several yards of the battlefield.
Why and how?
Why because that Unggoy Jockey is a war veteran who knows how to pilot that mech suit better than LeBron James knows how to dribble a basketball.
And the how is that mech suit is 13.5m tall , 2.5 tons and armed with the following..
1x double-barreled heavy needle cannon capable of dealing significant damage to vehicles.The Needler can also be utilized as a multiple-launch system, capable of firing a barrage of blamite shards that can target up to eight different hostiles.
1x Shardstorm launcher, capable of firing entire clouds of blamite needles which are self guided crystalline armor piercing High explosive projectiles.
1x Grenade launcher firing Plasma Grenade.
Also has a shielded cockpit, a power fist and can create EMPs by stomping as well as Stablizers and thrusters allowing limited flight.
There is also two variants.
1. Eklon'Dal Workshop Goblin a modification of the original.
2. The Beam Goblin. Developed in Balaho by Senior Science Commissioner Gablap and other top Balaho scientists, the Beam Goblin features a focus cannon.
The Focus cannon for those who don't know is the Covenant Plasma weapon that fires bolts of superheated plasma in a concentrated beam. The focus cannon is usually reserved for assault platforms like the Sumda'te-pattern Scarab, Deutoros-pattern Scarab, and Shua'ee-pattern Locust. A focus cannon can be used to take down large scale objects, that either may be in the way of infantry objectives, or to excavate an area. If faced with a large military presence assault platforms can use their focus cannon to cut through armor and infantry with ease.
The advantages are rather obvious. With units preforming a hunter-killer role, finding infantry and eliminating them. They can also fulfill an anti-armor role, capable of destroying heavy armor if needed.
Covenant capital ships also have a weapon similar to the focus cannon, commonly referred to as the energy projector.
Effectively a Goblin battlesuit with this is firing a mini energy projector directly into your Drukhari space elfs face.
So yeah it's best for the Drukhari to stay far away from the Covenant including the Grunts. Because even the Grunts aren't going to play around with them. They will kill them rather easily given the amout of firepower they lug around.
@@John2r1 Autoguns pierce thier armor, splinter guns and other weapons would have no problem doing the same and things such as fusion pistols are just an overkill. An average Eldar can match Reflexes and speed of Astartes, Peak Eldar can ran circles around them and You think The Drukhari do One-Man Raids or there will thousands to tens of thousands of Dark Eldar with him? When it comes to Goblins The DE have ways of dealing with them(I won't mention all, only few), either destoy them with Desintigration cannons, Heat Cannons, Dark Lances or Melta Weapons or disable the mech with Haywire Blasters, so in other words it gets melted, disintegrated or disabled and the pilot tortured to death.
But I think you're right The Unngoy wouldn't be popular among the Drukhari, since they need Methane Gas and supplying large Amounts of it would be a problem, but corpses can still be useful.
@@nobleman9393 Yeah after dumping half a mag of armor piercing ammo into them with an autogun. That's not the point the point is these Grunts outnumber the Drukhari a trillion to one and their all related. Remember these little Grunts stelamated the rest of the Covenant by sheer numbers and tenacity alone.
Second thing they have experience dealing with things that move equally as quick as an Astartes . In Halo they are called Spartans. Your average Spartan is capable of running faster than a average Astartes by about 10mph faster . And is more agile with agility being closer to an Eldar.
The dark Eldar raiding with thousands vs Trillions of heavily armed and now motivated by the lose of family members whom have either been injured , knocked out or killed by the Dark Eldar is going to get them overran and torn apart by the Unggoy. The rest of the Covenant are just back up at that point.
As to the Goblin battlesuits you shoot one they all shoot back. You die from an acute case of crystalline explosive projectiles posing. Ie when the Eldar start getting hit by self guided crystalline armor piercing High explosive projectiles that they can't out run , can't dodge and start exploding into Mist across the battlefield. Which do note the Goblin battlesuits where desiged to be capable of taking on Spartans and larger ,faster and stronger opponents.
These things are 13.5m tall , heavily armored mech suits with a shielded cockpit . The material they are made out of can withstand multiple hits from Superheated plasma. So that heat cannon is going to scotch the paint job and piss off the pilot even more. The Desintigration cannon cool a Drukhari just took out one Goblin. There are Trillions of them . And now they know what that weapon does and are calling of artillery and Air support. The Drukhari are about to become un-alived or past tense it's just a matter of what's going to kill them first. The rest of the Goblin battlesuits , the Plasma based Artillery or the Banshee Air/Space Multi role fighters or maybe the bombers . Or are the Grunt Infantry going to get to them and rip them apart and eat them first. Simple reality numbers kill. And the Drukhari don't have numbers on their side. A few Unggoy may die. But their sacrifice will be considered worth it if the Unggoy succeed in killing their attacker. Basically these little bastards are fuel by Methane, Food , Infusions which are various drugs , hate and revenge. They will strap on an extra methane tank , load up on ammo and their version of beef junk and walk until they find you if given a reason. Hence the nickname Grunts.
All the Unggoy really want to do is want to do is eat , smoke infusions and take naps . If for some reason an enemy that isn't a 7ft plus tall superhuman that could run through a thousand Eldar messes with them they will kill it.
What will happen to the Drukhari will come up in discussion the next time the Asdrubael Vect and the leaders of the Kabal's , Wych Cult's and Coven's have a meeting to discuss things to avoid in real space and how to improve their tactics for success next time.
The most Ironic part of this is that if the Drukhari left the Unggoy alone and went after another larger member of the Covenant the Unggoy really wouldn't care. It's simply they have a napoleon complex and simply want to be left alone to do whatever they feel like doing.
Their also one of the smartest member species due to possess unburdened neural pathways which allow them to absorb knowledge more freely compared to the other Covenant species. As such, they were often tasked by the Covenant with monitoring space for traces of human communication. In addition, many Unggoy have developed a clear understanding of two or even three human languages.
Your human obviously. How many languages are you fluent in ?
Unggoy are fluent in their native Unggoy language, Sangheili language, English ,Spanish, Japanese, Chinese , etc. So yeah their actually intelligent. The reason outside of game play that we see them as not being that intelligent is because the Covenant's education system sucks even compared to our modern system.
They teach religion and how to do specific jobs that's it. In other worlds if the Drukhari where as smart as their elven suprimist ideology tells them they are they would skip the Grunts and take the larger less numerous species of the Covenant. Then simply leave the Grunts alone. Without a motivation to fight the Grunts will do whatever they need to do to survive.
And yes if given the option the Grunts would probably make new weapons and torture devices for the Drukhari. Considering they where forced into the Covenant in the first place. Their defense of the Covenant is a self preservation thing not a love for the other species.
The Unggoy are already slave soldiers. If the Drukhari where smart they would avoid fighting them and instead use them to get in close to the other species. But your not thinking stealth your thinking just attacking them would do something and not realizing how tough these Grunts are. The ones currently around where trained for war and deployed from around age 5. Any Grunt who survived the Human-Covenant War is a 35 to 38 years old veteran who's been fighting since he was 5 years old. Not quite the rookies of the Imperial Guard. Whom rarely survive their first year.
I’ve always thought this. I also just want to paint 1000 grunt minis.
It really sucks Ground Command didn’t go anywhere
@@KillerOrca yes
about the plasma rant, what makes it funny is that if we compare it the way you said then the strongest Plasma weapon would be in Fallout.
Halo Plasma weapons: Melt through a person’s torso, overheats and burns you hand but cools down
40k Plasma Weapon: Melts a person’s torse, Overheats and explodes
Fallout’s plasma weapons: Can melt a person in a full suit of power armor into a literal puddle and never overheats.
I think it depends in the weapon and the heat (generally distinguishable with the color that represents the energy according to the spectrum) example the normal plasma pisto shot is not comparable to the overcharge, or the blue plasma granade launcher
Fallout lore is borderline supernatural back even in the Fallout 2 days.
@@motivateddad Frankly it also shoves a middle finger up the ass of physics and spins it around. Like over half of Fallout's weapons just do not make sense from a physics standpoint, and many of the weapons a horrifically impractical as well.
@@mrbuttocks6772 Fallout was more of a comically loosy goosy kind of science fiction.
Not to mention that they’re apparently really easy to build. I mean look at the laser rifle from Fallout 4, those things are practically stitched together with duct tape and spare parts
So not that anyone cares, but this has inspired me to fan-fic a faction in 40K called “The Coalition”. I’ve actually spent the last 6 weeks writing, designing, and story building races, vehicles, buildings, lore, and all that fun stuff for about a half a dozen separate races that fit into 40k. Most of which have been individually designated in Spore.
Again not that anyone will likely care, but heres a little tidbit of lore I’ve built for this faction:
Over 15,000 years ago, Humanity was at peace, it saw Xenos species as friends and allies, men of Iron fought wars on distant battle fields, an entire Galaxy away. Then there was the fall, humanity’s great machines turned on them, the Warp let out a scream so loud travel through the realm known as The Warp became unthinkable. During this Age of Strife there was a cluster of planets, in which Humanity lived in harmony with a race known as the Stephonodrites, who helped fight back these men of iron and accepted as many human refugees as could make it to the planet known as Tayloria. The Stephonodrites helped these humans, fed them, clothed them, and protected them. Long necked 4 legged beings stood peacefully and proud to help any in need. Seekers of peace among the stars. For a time there was peace, humanity and Stephonodrites lived in harmony. Until the great Crusade. A god like being known as the primarch Lorgar appeared with his armada singing the songs of the one known as “the Emperor of man” a delegation of humans from the Planet Tayloria were sent to greet these fellow humans, however upon the explanation, that humans from this sector of space had mingled with these “foul Xenos” a terrible purge was launched, humans and Stephonodrites were taken by awe as these “Word Bearers” slaughtered all in droves, swearing any who did not follow the law of the Emperor were Heretic Filth and would be wiped clean. Planet after planet the Stephonodrites fell, attempting to find peace until the end, when at last, they were forced to flee into deep space, their once mighty but peaceful empire, scourged and purged off the face of the Galaxy. And so the Stephonodrites have spent 10,000 years building their forces, finding fellow likeminded species and incorporating them into a faction known as “The Coalition” they bound by hatred of this Xenophobic “Imperium of Man” will stop at nothing to clean this disgrace from the Galaxy. No matter how long it takes…
So yeah, theres the opening lore for my faction. Again nobody will ever see this, but hey if you do lemme know, and lemme know where is can post pictures and expand the lore of this faction. Again I’ve designed at least a half a dozen species each with its own unique lore. So yeah idk, cool i guess?
Please make more :)
@@IAmAlpharius20 ya know this has been on the back of my mind, but I mostly forgot. Glad someone actually likes my idea. I’ll try to work on it some more.
sounds pretty interesting! a civilization with an actually justified grudge against the Imperium that is (mostly) free of Chaos's influence would be pretty sick.
@@christopherbravo1813 so actually a race in the coalition are called the Baileysaurs, and they actually use null, uncorrupted areas of the warp to heal, put up phykic fields and their grandmasters can even cleans warp infected areas.
That’s so cool
I'll be honest, this is the crossover I've always wanted to see. Somehow, if humanity from Halo is also here, I'd love to get their input into this as well. Depending on how things would go I could see a mutual alliance between the UNSC and the Elities (assuming this is post Halo 3) in regards to anything having to deal with Chaos and the Imperium. Also, ONI vs the Inquisition would be a cartoonish level of Spy vs Spy nonsense and I'd love it.
Bruh facts oni vs inquisition would be a hilarious sight to see
ONI regularly does shit that’d make the Inquisition stop and go: “Ayo what the fuck!? *WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!??”*
@@Peter_Turbo4 to be fair, ONI was dealing with the extinction of humanity as an almost certain event. If the Imperium was in as much as a shit show as the UEG, the Inquisition would pull no punches.
@@kregler Yeah they would drop all rules and be way more scary in what they do.
Honestly, though, ONI might top the Inquisition given the fact they're not afraid to make use AI. The Inquisition is good, sure, but they have their limits.
The Covenant feel like what the T'au should be, or are going to be if the story ever progresses
Covenant is The tau at The far end of their tech tree.
Also covenant has great melee.
I read that fan covenant codex. The author(s) even added some nice fan-fiction lore on what they do in the galaxy and how they interact. Apparently Orks and Brutes get along. Because of Chaos, use of Grunt-Deacons is increased and more of them and placed in covenant ground-forces whenever they fight warp-related stuff. Elites enjoy having honorable duels with the Space-Marines and both have a rivalry as a result.
Where can I find this? This sounds so fun, even though I’m not a 40k player or much of a fan.
It's just Tau but better and actually fits the setting really well.
Also, Melee
Guardsmen gets hit by hunter
Commisar: where is private park?
Guardsman: he's gone sir
Commisar: that coward!
Guardsman: no he's gone, all thats left are his boots.
@@casematecardinal commissar actually where's corporal Johnson?
Guardsman he got hit by one of those big monkeys with a hammer his body imploded and his organs disintegrated and his bones are now powder
@@registeredwarcriminal980 shit, he was a governor's bastard son. I was supposed to look after him. Im so screwed
@@registeredwarcriminal980commisar: what happened to Sargent thomas
Private Sams: that weird miget turned him into a pink mist before suicide bombing a baneblade with some weird glowing orbs
@dozergames2395 Commisar: Bloody Hell! Where's the commanding officer?!
Guardsmen: "Our Lieutenant was praying next to an enemy computer and was taken by the Omnisiah"
With the covenant wearing all purple explains why they havent been found yet and give them another bounes when fighting and using their stealth tech
This should have more likes
Sneaky gitz.
I mean this video just makes me wish the Tau were better. The auxiliary races are so neglected they might as well be non existent. For what is supposed to be a confederation of alien races, it feels like the Imperium has more xeno-diversity.
This makes me want to kitbash a Covenant army out of some Tau. Replace the technical drones with the engineers, fire warriors with Elites. Vespids with drones, etherals with prophets, kroot with jackels and grunts, Krootox with brutes, crisis battle suit with hunters. You could even have humans if you were doing a covenant remnant like the banished.
Honestly some factions I think would be interesting to see show up in W40K would be the factions from Sins of a Solar Empire. Both the TEC and the Advent would make an interesting alternative human faction that could parallel the Imperium and the Vasari work well as planet-looting aliens that aren't a hive mind like the Nids. Nothing that would ever happen of course but it is always fun to speculate.
I think that, if both the Prophets and Ethereals apply some common sense, they could come to an agreement where the Ethereals, given their brainwashing of the Tau, could convince their people that joining the Covenant would be part of the “Greater Good, and the Covenant could see the Ethereals as other students of the Forerunners, ending in a rather smooth integration of both factions into a rather scary player in the WH lore
More like the covenant would stomp the tau into submission but sure
Common sense out of the Prophets is impossible. Especially the Prophet of Truth who’s the Covenant’s equivalent of Horus.
The covenent kind of feel an evolution of the tau. Like if the tau went through an age of strife like humanity did, they could end up sort of like the covenant.
Mobility really is the one thing that in almost every verses battle the imperium loses at. And I think that at its heart is what would stop it from ever being able to defeat the covenant even if they beat the covenant in battle. If things look rough the covenant can just jet off because they're Capital City can slip space.
Bruh as a hugeeeeee 40k fan. I love how you basically take a sit down bitch approach. Too many people in my community seem to not use their brains when it comes to power levels. I for one fully agree with most of what you said! Great video!
I agree. Most Warhammer discussions concerning other franchises/universes almost never take into account logistics, which is a nightmare for the Imperium in any versus scenario.
Nothing in Halo would survive in 40k, pure fact
@@mis8866 Forerunners, Old Humanity, The Flood, The Covenant (who are Tau with better tech), would all survive.
@@theatheistbear3117 It would be difficult if you consider the FTL and the universe rules, but otherwise...YES
@@metaparalysis3441 If we assume Warhammer rules and Halo rules both apply, then the Halo factions are incredibly strong.
What I appreciate about this fan essay. Is that well meaning counter argument over the Warhammer fanboy elitism of power scaling compared to other franchises.
Imagine the covenant fighting tooth and nail into the eye of terror, only to wipe out 90% of chaos with the halo ring hidden there.
Fuckin big brain play
No cap that would be an absolutely incredibly video game to play.
@@phantomsanic3604so true
That would be a cool concept.
Slight problem, Chaos will just spawn back in the eye of terror in a few years/decades.
So, unless the covenant manages to hold against Chaos in Chaos' home territory long enough to activate the ring and can have enough troops to spawn camp the Chaos after their initial troops get disintegrated by the Halo Ring's blast it won't work.
Not only that, but we also need to assume covenant troops can resist the madness that is the eye of terror (both the demons and the maddening effect it has). and it is Chaos territory. i wouldn't be surprised if there IS a hidden halo ring in it, one of the chaos god will find it first before the covenant and mess with it (looking at you Tzeentch).
The Forerunners vs the Necrons would be a very interesting conflict. With enough time both have the capability to life wipe their versions of the Milky Way Galaxy
Good video; good points. I'm a UNSC fan but the Covenant would be a good 'normal' alien faction in 40K. They really do have some badass names for ships. The biggest challenge would be making them feel different from the Imperium, what with them both being aggressive theocracies armed with ancient technology they barely understand- or maybe play up the parallels. Agreed on Space Marines too; the Raven Guard, Raptors, Emperor's Warbringers, Mentor Legion, and especially Deathwatch would be the most effective chapters in most circumstances.
My one problem with this video: Don't diss the Brutes. I want more smart monkes.
Smort monkes 🐒
This is one of those cases where the similarities actually make things more interesting. The fact that a alien faction has strong parallels with the Imperium of Mankind makes for delicious irony and hilarious dialogue between two.
It warms my heart to see the Covenant getting the god damn appreciation they deserve.
Brute vs astartes would be the best thing to see
Not exactly, it's like seeing a professional boxer fight a bodybuilder of roughly same size. Sure they both are strong and big but the boxer is more agile and tougher overall, he's gonna wreck the bodybuilder.
In space marines case, he's straight up better and a bit shorter in this case.
Unarmoured space marine vs a brute would be pretty interesting
@@TheHandofDestiny I'd pay to see that fight.
@@Ialsowriteandread0291 Atriox could beat a Space Marine, but that's Atriox. The average Brute will lose, and a Brute Chieftain would compare to an Astartes. But average Brutes would lose 8 times out of 10.
@@starhammer5247 we don’t mix named characters here, especially named space marines
Something easily forgotten in halo is that the master chief is almost 7 feet tall, the tiny grunts we effortlessly take down are actually the size of a person, as well as covered in an exoskeleton with claws meant for burrowing.
If you’ve ever seen the damage an anteaters claws can do, you have some idea of how dangerous they would actually be.
There was once a Grunt rebellion that legitimately crippled the covenant for over a century and only ended because their home world got glassed
the image of the guardsmen on cadia who say "CADIA STANDS! CADIA LIVES!" and "THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARDSMEN!" just getting fuckin glassed is hilarious to me
edit: now that I think about it imagine the long night of solace showing up over your trenches
Imagine a Space Marine being stickied by a grunt XD
@@KissMy2Moons space marine seconds before death "what is this funny blue rock that is glowing"
@@registeredwarcriminal980 space marines probably have enough reaction since they can see bullets travelling and so they can just grab the grenade shove it down the grunts throat and launch it to the closest elite
@@generaldelasmontanas2699 Yeah, just grab the *sticky* grenade.
@@sermer6659 he sticks it to the grunt and kicks him
Honestly I’d be all up for more minor or regional factions in 40k, and for that, ye the covenant work fine. I think it’d be better if you didn’t just transplant them directly into 40k, but more… adjust them for the setting. Like, the whole “not having psykers” thingy, with how 40k works, they probably would get them, eventually at least. Little details like that could make a crossover idea like this work even better, by having the thing transplanted into the setting take on the attributes it’d have in that setting if it were there the whole time.
Another thing, now that I’m thinking about it, would be how they’d react to the galaxy around them. If they’re of the same religion, with the region they start in having halo rings, only to then expand into and encounter the imperium, they’d assume there’s more in Imperial space, which would likely put the covenant into full on holy war mode. They’d be sorta like inverted tau for the setting, instead of moving carefully to avoid retaliation from a bigger power, they’d be aggressively expansionist by necessity.
Do the Tau have psykers yet?
@@KillerOrca they have psyker worms lmao
@@KillerOrca Eh, bit of a special case with them. With the covenant being a coalition of different species I’m sure one fo them would pick it up eventually.
@@erds4113 you'd have to scale their power up quite a bit to make them survive, a good portion of the reason that tau have survived is because their defenses and caution make not not worth the cost to exterminate them
Generally, this is a pretty interesting idea, although one that has been brought up on 1d4chan before. The only real gripe I have is the size comparison discrepancy between Titans and the Scarab. By pretty much all rights, most Titans, except possibly the Warhound, should be much bigger than the Scarab given the city-flattening weapons they have on them. I think this is a symptom of scifi writers, both 40k and Halo, having no sense of scale, once again. Hell, Halo is guilty of having multiple instances of the numbers not being consistent since the first books came out. The most egregious example I can remember is the approximate weights of a UNSC Frigate. Someone did the calculations of the weight and found that it would weigh LIGHTER THAN AIR.
Still, the Covenant unit roster can fill out a Codex pretty well, provided you do some scaling. And take the lore of Halo with a grain of salt, the same way as 40k's lore. It's generally all over the place
Note: On the matter of plasma, it is also as inconsistent in Halo lore as lasguns are in 40k lore. One book a plasma pistol is vaporizing a human torso, the next Marines are taking hails of plasma rifle fire and not getting instantly melted. So it's very hit or miss. Also, if the UNSC is generally winning on the ground, the technological differences aren't actually that huge. If they were, it would be like comparing a cannon from the 1700s to a Russian 2S19 or BM-21.
As for the Space Marine vs Covenant thing, like I say with a lot of other 'Space Marine vs' videos and threads, they are not generally stupid enough to do plain fully frontal charges. The Astartes would've turned into nothing more than a distant memory a long time ago if that were the case. Typically, they have done a crap-ton of preplanning, recon, and battlefield shaping before they come in and do their thing. The whole 'use drop pod assault' is simply one of many preferred methods to _how_ they achieve their objective. Marines aren't stupid. They can't afford to be. They don't live for hundreds of years by being stupid. Even the Wolves and Blood Angels have a certain predatory cunning to their methods.
Do you mean the ship would be less dense than air?
@@TheSchultinator talking about weight, it could be possible that he means just the air that fills the frigate by volume (when taken the strength of earths gravity) would excede the weight given in the book
How tall is the Scarab?
Cus Warhound Titans are about 14 meters tall, and the next smallest Titan(the Reaver) is about 30 meters tall, Warlord Titans are about 40 meters tall and Imperator&Warmong Titans are roughly 55 meters tall
@@bjornthefellhanded5655 the lore says 38.7 meters, already almost as tall as a Warlord. He even shows it in the video at 6:48. Kinda ridiculous considering how it scales in the Halo games vs how the Warlord was portrayed in Space Marine
@@alexfrost2799 I'd say that's more of a fault with a game over lore. These things are super inconsistent so eh...
I think what makes halos factions different is not having the need to port over fantasy races. Halo is good because it's unique, I can't get the feeling of of being Icarus coming too close to the sun from other games.
It's the fact that humanity has just gotten out into the stars and is immediately presented with threats immeasurable in their number and horrifically alien. All of halos races have that uniquely alien feel, from the grunts having to wear methane gas masks at all time so they can breathe in other atmospheres, to hunters being gibbering swarms of slugs, or the flood forms and their plant like pustule designs(wait that's just nurlge).
Edit:
I legitimately did not realize the size differences holy shit.
I remember that /tg made rules for the Covenant in 40k, even suggested good places for models. Honestly I'd love to see the Imperium fight the Covenant.
The thing I hate is that the writers of 40k wouldn't ever do the covenant justice. They're top notch for fulfilling generic alien species, but in 40k that leaves them to the role of being punching bags the human factions attack when the writers need a jobber. Kind of like the eldar are (an the tau.) Look how the writers do the tau. Tau are supposedly the 40k answer to generic alien alliance but instead of being cool they're a minor power in the setting that gets clowned on by anyone who looks at them funny. Outside of the Horus heresy the writers kinda suck imo
It would also be cool to see dark age of technology stuff from the imperium go up against the covenant using ancient forunner weaponry
maybe the covenant mistakenly worships Daot Humanity as the forerunners, since Daot humanity is already pretty advance
@@KissMy2Moons imo the closest forunner anologue in the setting is actually the necrontyr, before the c'tan tricked them into becoming nearly soulless automata. building galaxy killing halo arrays is fairly comparable to some of the bullshit the necrons have, like the aeonic orbs, or the tesseract vaults.
@@curtisbrown547 But Halo rings have nature on/in them & the Necrons hates organic life because this is the reason why I chose Daot humanity.
It also goes with the Humans = Forerunners thing Halo originally played with.
I’d must admit your explanation of how the covenant could survive and possibly wipe the floor with most space marines gave me a bit more respect for them.
Yeah Covenant in 40K would be pretty fucking awesome. They would actually be able to survive and even thrive under the right circumstances. The only thing I'd disagree on is that Space Marines would be a serious threat to Covenant ground forces. Yeah the Black Templar would go "Die Xenos!" and charge to their deaths (good riddance) but the rest would be like the Spartans but way fucking bigger. I think we also don't appreciate just how damn fast Space Marines are, but 40k books are annoyingly inconsistent in this department. Still anything without shields would get shredded by bolter fire and the Elites' shields wouldn't fare much better against the repeated concussive assault. Regardless the individual chapters wouldn't be able to do too much against a large covenant force, you'd need the old Legions of the Great Crusade days to make a Covenant fleet shit their pants.
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single chapters, save black templars, wouldn't be a major threat, at least not without boarding actions (looking at lower end feats, the average space marine is usually comparable to Spartans in reflexes, killing power, and durability, if not slightly stronger) but it isnt exactly common for space marines to be sent out alone, hence the video.
Yes but the Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Space Wolves all have a doctrine that if the fight is big enough ALL of their gene brethren show up. And since the wolves arent codex complaint.. Thats a lot of wolves.
Saying a space marine is equal to a sparten seems a little unequal considering they are considerably larger on average better armed and have genetic mutations like multiple essential organs and greatly increased blood clotting.
There's only a million of them. And there are millions of Brutes that can literally tear Spartans in half. Also: Hunters
@@HolyknightVader999 An ork can also tear a space marine apart in melee. That uh, doesn't help much.
I wonder what the Rangdan are. Is it basically the Covenant? A terrifying mirror of what the imperium would become? Or just Cthulhu?
I like to think they were some manipulative xenos that turned the 2nd and 11th primarch against the emperor, alongside their troops. A xenos empire and 2 powerful legions sounds about right
@@bloodangel19 Yeah I agree. My headcanon is that they were a parasite, almost like the Flood, hence why the exterminatused all their worlds and client worlds and the reason why the two primarchs fell.
They have ties to the Slaugth, apparently. Which are mentioned. They may *also* have ties to the Yu'vath, but I can't remember where I read that.
@@scottdodge6979 nah i don't like that idea, no ofense. I like to think that they made a good point to the primarchs as to how the emperor is a piece of shit and deserves to die, and they made their choice. No chaos, no brain worms, no tricks, just a couple prodigal sons
The most logical theory I've heard on it was that the Rangdan are essentially the threat from The Thing (or the original story that inspired it, Who Goes There?) and corrupted the II legion. This would account for the horrors of the Rangdan Xenocides and why the whole thing was removed from the records. The mere thought that the Legions and even a Primarch could be corrupted like that would be anathema to the GEoM's intentions.
Covenant would definitely be my faction in 40k. I think their models would be so cool. Now I want to paint a covenant army!
3:57 I also agree that jackal snipers would be the most RAGE inducing units available to Covenant Players
Jackal snipers: Rage inducing, no matter what you put them in.
Just saw the title and I have been literally thinking about this for days!
I noticed that the Sangheili prioritize initiative in their battles. It is honorable (for them) to surprise an enemy when you attack them, but it is dishonorable for them not to know an attack is coming, that's why their ships aren't (usually) invisible, but their infantry is.
The tau need to be more fleshed out
With a knife?
Have you read many Tau books?
Damn, Orks and Brutes would be so fun to watch. Orks would have the time of their life!
So would the Brutes.
I would say that, as weird a statement as this is, that the halo plasma isn't as strong as the 40k plasma. Given that it can compare to normal bullet based weaponry that isn't hugely more advanced than the stuff we have today. I realize that. It's against a books vs game thing but the books do also say that the unsc does relatively well on the ground but gets slaughtered in space. But yeah just bump up the covenant numbers a couple trillion and they would fit right in with this shitshow. Forerunners though? That's some war in heaven tier shit.
If I were to make a Covenant codex, I'd probably give a Grunt plasma pistol a similar profile to a Las-pistol, just with the ability to overcharge like a plasma
His bias was clearly blinding him with that one. It's like how people say Star Wars's Empire would beat the Imperium because they have Plasma.
I guess all these debates really are a popularity contest over anything else. Everyone wants their favourite franchise to win.
I was going to say don't marines do very well on the ground fighting against all that pLasMA which supposedly according to Pan melts people with a single shot. If it indeed was as powerful as he says you wouldn't need elites, brutes, jackals etc like you do have in halo, you'd just need some derpy grunts walk up to any army and lol as they rub their pea sized nuts all over their faces because they're apparently armed with a super weapon. Plasma. How many shots does it take to destroy a tank in halo with plasma weapons? Hundreds and most of the time they somehow directly damage the pilots health. No, they have dedicated AT weapons like everyone else but 40k's plasma on the other hand can do it overcharged with a few shots. Plasma from 40k is like at least ten times more powerful.
I think a rule of thumb is that all technology isn't the same as other universes, just because blasters from starwars, plasma from halo and plasma guns from 40k exist doesn't mean they are all the same. Hand held blasters from starwars don't destroy tanks, bigger blasters designed for armour do. Plasma from halo don't destroy tanks, dedicated AT weapons do. Plasma guns from 40k can at the risk of the operator destroy tanks.
UNSC do better than covenant in ground battles not because covenant weapons are on par, in fact their weaponry obliterate us, but through superior hit and run guerrilla tactics. You notice how extremely mobile the unsc is with a preference for warthogs and dropships able to transport tanks and munitions anywhere, marines will harass the covenant from one side then disengage and move to hit them hard in another weak spot soon after. Combine this with the home turf and that local army forces will supplement the marine forces we aren’t outnumbered either.
In the novels there are several instances of covenant plasma easily burning through both armor and the flesh.
But still ceramite is maybe/probably way stronger than titanium.
I would absolutely love to see the Covenant in 40K. They could definitely hold their own in the universe, but they would not be able to conquer it.
I'd like more cross overs. I kinda want a giant galactic setting with multiple sci-fi/sci-fa settings meshed into the 40k series and see how it goes.
my list for things to be added to this: Halo, Warframe, Destiny and Bionicle
One page Rules, an fangames that allow to play Games Workshop and mantic faction are currently planing to extand their rule to Star War faction.
I’m sorry for this but I must know the sauce
play stellaris tbh
This was a great video, I’d love to see some more comparisons of different franchises in the 40k universe. I’ve always wondered how the locusts from Gears Of War would do? Gears of War has obviously taken a lot of inspiration from Warhammer, the series is very grimdark with lots of chainsaws.
Obviously the Locusts don’t have space travel, but they’re intelligent, brutal, have a hive-mind. They’re essentially a combination or orks and nids.
They’ve got the locusts as the standard foot troop, Therons as the elites, Kantus as the support classes, Boomers as the tanks, tickers and wretches are the fodder, plus lots of varying beasties for their vehicles such as corpsers, brumaks and even the gas bags as flying units
I’d love to see a 40k style locust army. They’re beyond perfect for 40k.
Imperium of Man : “OUR TITANS SHALL CRUSH YOUR PATHETIC XENOS HIDES!!!”
Covenant : *Drops fifty scarabs from low orbit* “Say that again… I dare you”
*Proceeds to melt titan with numerous plasma beams*
Vulcan Mega Bolter Go!
@@nobleman9393
*Laughs in ventral cleansing beam*
@@themightyalpaca313 Go Go Volcano Cannon!
@@nobleman9393I'm a firin my lasa!
I was skeptical but you convinced me! Very well made and well thought out
Edit: I'm glad I read through some of the comments. The video didn't touch on how effective the covenant personal shield and plasma grenades would be. They really would hold their own in the 40k universe!
The plasma weapon point is an interesting one because you can view it from two angles.
1. The Halo plasma weapons don't overheat as bad because the cooling tech is better
2. The Halo plasma weapons don't overheat as bad because they didn't want to take the risk on the more powerful shots.
The Covenant's Plasma Pistols can be overcharged for significantly more powerful shots, and they have mechanisms to safely discharge excess heat without risk of blowing up, and the Fuel Rod Guns had dead-man-switches that caused them to exploded when their wielder is killed, much like 40k's Plasma weapons explode when they overheat. These two details looked at together means the Covenant's plasma weapons have comparable power to 40k's, but have much better cooling technology.
@@lennardchurch8483 "The Covenant's Plasma Pistols can be overcharged for significantly more powerful shots,"
Yes, and in doing so, gaining a far slower fire rate.
Add garbage range to that, and you have a weapon that'll almost never be used against any armored target.
Meanwhile, an Imperial plasma pistol can fire about 2 shots per second if the user can handle the recoil, with each shot capable of one-shotting a shielded multi-las piece and reducing an Astartes to fine ash.
When it comes down to it, only fuel rod cannons reliably match imperial plasma in terms of power.
Why? Because like their imperial counterparts, they are dedicated anti-armor weapons.
Do you see Covenant infantry with plasma pistols and rifles quickly destroying UNSC Scorpion tanks? No, you don't.
"risk of blowing up"
Said risk really only exists when people decide to supercharge imperial plasma weapons.
Perform proper maintenance and don't supercharge, and an Imperial plasma weapon would never detonate in use.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 The Imperium's Plasma Pistol has a higher fire rate, but they're rare, at best usually one to a unit. Covenant Plasma can achieve the same effect of obliterating a Space-Marine-like foe, and it makes up for the lower fire rate of overcharged shots by it being the standard firearm of the Grunts. If you've got 5+ Grunts shooting at you, suddenly that fire rate is almost identical to the Imperium's, and if you kill one of them, the output of their firepower is significantly less reduced than if you hit a Space Marine with plasma in the face.
If you read the novels, you'll find that the canonical power of Covenant Plasma Pistols is significantly higher than what's seen in games. The games don't use accurate power-scaling on the weapons because we as players can't accurately control the super-soldier, because we don't have the reflexes to do so, and having the entire game be in bullet-time with auto-aim to simulate the Spartan's actual abilities wouldn't be a fun game. With the limitations of us playing the main character, if the Covenant Plasma were depicted accurately, no one would be able to finish a level.
@@lennardchurch8483 "The Imperium's Plasma Pistol has a higher fire rate, but they're rare, at best usually one to a unit"
Common enough that IG officers have the option of one.
"Covenant Plasma can achieve the same effect of obliterating a Space-Marine-like foe, and it makes up for the lower fire rate of overcharged shots by it being the standard firearm of the Grunts."
The problem is that grunts don't exclusively use overcharge for their plasma pistols, seriously, tell me the last time a Spartan was taken out by an overcharged plasma pistol fired by a grunt.
"If you've got 5+ Grunts shooting at you, suddenly that fire rate is almost identical to the Imperium's, and if you kill one of them, the output of their firepower is significantly less reduced than if you hit a Space Marine with plasma in the face."
Doesn't matter when they get picked off by Guardsmen 1 Km + away.
Even in close range, ODSTs have speed blitzed grunts.
"If you read the novels, you'll find that the canonical power of Covenant Plasma Pistols is significantly higher than what's seen in games. The games don't use accurate power-scaling on the weapons because we as players can't accurately control the super-soldier, because we don't have the reflexes to do so, and having the entire game be in bullet-time with auto-aim to simulate the Spartan's actual abilities wouldn't be a fun game. With the limitations of us playing the main character, if the Covenant Plasma were depicted accurately, no one would be able to finish a level."
You misunderstand.
Covie plasma pistols having 50 meters of range and subsonic, dodgeable bolts isn't gameplay, it's LORE.
Covie plasma pistols and rifles are terrible weapons lore-wise.
Again, you're overselling the importance of firepower.
Yes, firepower is important.
But so is rpm, range, and bolt/beam speed.
Lasguns can vaporize heads (Fall of Macharius) making them comparable to covie plasma rifles and uncharged plasma pistols.
The difference is that they are far superior in basically every other stat.
They have:
1 km+ range.
600 rpm.
Undodgeable, lightspeed lasers.
Each shot can vaporize a man's head.
Meanwhile covie plasma rifle:
50 meters of range
300-500 rpm
Subsonic, dodgeable plasma bolts.
Each shot can vaporize a man's leg and heat up the surrounding area.
Which would you pick?
Honestly I could see part of the Great Crusade involving the Imperium destroying the Covenant with everyone except the Emperor even knowing about the Human-Covenant War from the distant past.
Now in addition to Orks invading the Star Wars galaxy, I am going to fantasize about the Covenant going to the 40k galaxy. Thanks!
Imagine an ork jedi. He knows not Light side, or the Dark side of the force. He only knows DA GREEN SIDE UV DA WAAAARGH!!!
@Dr. Fail Red lightsabers spin faster, but what about green ones??
@@UGNAvalon deyz da best cuz deyz green ya silly git!
Imagine explaining the WAAAAAGH to Yoda 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ....but then again, they might look at Yoda as an elevated Grot.
I really liked this honestly. I'm so used to hearing the outlandish horseshit that's attributed to 40k's setting that I honestly just defaulted to "yeah 40k vs anything isn't really fair because apparently 40k just deals with numbers on such a hard brained scale that finding other things in fiction that stacks up is very unlikely" so this was a nice change of mindset.
the funny thing is that 40k is just mid tier in sci fi
Making people who are so incredibly defensive about their favorite property angry brings me shameful amounts of joy
It can get tiring sometimes how people overexaggerate 40K (and given 40K is intended to be super over the top? That is quite the accomplishment).
I also keep forgetting for some reason that Elites, Brutes, and Hunters are literally either the same height as *or taller* then regular Space Marines.
Seeing them clash though would be wicked as f**k though and my monkey brain loves seeing big, burly, monster people beating the ever-loving crap out of each other.
Covenant is what Tau should be, but GW leaned too much into the mecha aspect. Like IG they should have 2 ways of playing, hoard with the diverse aliens and heavy machines
I've always believed that Master Chief in all his time could only come right below a space marine in terms of skill. Not because of how badass he is, not because of his honors and career, but simply because of his biology. The Spartans were inspired off the Astartes, but if you look at the history of the Halo franchise and Warhammer respectively, the Astartes has at least a decade of more writing on the Spartans. Both lores on the creations of these super soldiers are awesome (and I'd be remiss if I ignored the Sardaukar O.G.) but Master Chief is the runner up as a super soldier to the Astartes, and he still struggled to take the Covenant down throughout the games. If the Covenant was transferred to 40k, they would probably at least ten times more numerous than what we see in the games/know in the lore. That's my entirely subjective take on it
Second Edition for 40k came out in the kid 90s. Fall of Reach (the first Halo book) was released in 2000. No clue when the first Soace Marine based novel came out but I don’t think it was till later. The game lore was all they had for a while
I've always thought Spartans would be an interesting addition to the Imperium. Much better than a Guardsman, less effective but far cheaper and easier than an Astartes, it would be neat to see how they fit into things.
@@TheSchultinator look into the Afriel Strain. Not quite Astartes, superior to a Guardsman and even a stormtrooper. But it uh... comes at a cost.
@@TheSchultinator spartans would be on level with astartes, and even then high tier astartes. It would take a hundred or thousand astartes to board and destroy a ship, but just 3 or 4 spartans using stealth and agility. They could usually not win a fair fight, but then they are smart enough to give themselves the advantage. A spartan is only a bit stronger than an elite, and weaker than a brute, but one spartan can still kill hundreds.
@@quenter1392 In terms of speed, strength, and agility a Spartan is a match for an Astartes.
I think the Covenant would be good. Two items I'd adress were I writing a codex for them.
One their society is far TOO effective to be placed in 40k; I'd lean more heavily on the infighting we see in the books. (ElitesVsBrutes, JackalsVsGrunts, DronesVsEngineers, ProphetVsProphet). Play that up a bit more to justify
Two split them into smaller Codicies(?) like Imperial Guard or SpaceMarines. This would let you have the whole Covenant but you could pick (Particular Justice giving you Thel Vadame, and leaning more on Elites and 'Elite' troop choices, Prophet lead fleets giving you more orbital support forerunner weapon choices)
there's also the banished faction run by atriox and the brutes.
You've won me over. I was skeptical at first, but I think I'm gonna have to agree with you on this one
My favorite quote about Human/Covenant war is “The Covenant didn't lose to the humans. They lost to themselves.”
If you want tabletop Halo, the Combined Army from Infinity skirmish wargame are basically that. You have a combination of different alien races under one leadership, with Morats being basically the halo brutes and Shasvastii being sneaky infiltrators with Arbiter vibes
On a larger scale you can easily proxy Halo factions in Drop Fleet, my PHR are all painted to be Covenant.
Some other scifi non-Halo factions I could see surviving the 40k universe:
Chimera from Resistance
Reapers from Mass Effect
Brethren Moons from Dead Space
The Hive from Destiny
Helghast from Killzone
Kirby from Kirby
CIS from Star Wars
Mind Flayers from D&D
Scrin from Command & Conquer
Protoss
The Helghast would probably be absorbed into the Imperium since there basically human (what ever mutations they do have are tiny compared to other abhumans)
Reapers with their puny kiloton weapons will be fu**** by even minor races. No way they are serving 40k.
Scrin throwing Tiberium on every planet and harvesting them is something i personally want to see . Spicy Icor .
The covenant and the Tau would either fight each other or merge either way it would be kinda cool
As somebody who's mildly into Halo (I played my older brother's copy of Halo 3) this sounds fucking awesome
Gotta admit, my initial fanboy brain reaction was "Fuck you," but you did a DAMN good job elaborating on your points in a concise, consistently entertaining manner. Still think they fill the same role as Tau in lore, in a bunch of ways, but they'd be a nice middle ground between hard hitting units, swarm infantry tactics, and vehicle superiority. Honestly I think Covenant battlefield versatility would be on par with Ultrasmurfs. Looking forward to more of this series!
If the possibility of the tau being replaced by the covenant happens, then I will quickly let it happen since I’v been waiting for a faction that uses different alien species with caste specific roles, not sub-species.
My intention is not to make everyone angry with this video but a fun idea I had for two franchises I love.
Now that being said, the SEQUEL to this might piss people off. But again it’s all in good fun. And we’ll get to that when we get to that.
well chapters like the space wolves are not just about melee, thing about space marines is they learn & adapt to situations quickly.
on top of this a chapter is nearly 1k marines
(chapters like black templars & space wolves still maintain the old legion sizes of marines in their command structure, so give or take 10k- 30k marines), that's a lot of bolters/ soldiers.
the reason so many people say 40k wins is that they are comparing one universes tech level & military might against the other.
in this way 40k does win by a mile, but its dishonest in its assessment if said faction did exist in universe.
the covenant would still have problems with tyrranids because they can adapt mutations to neutralize heat & physical based weapons.
that & a hive fleets contain an absolute fucking uncountable number of hostile organisms
chaos can still fuck with a races technology.
imperium would turn their crusade against man into a bloody slog that goes nowhere/ war of attrition
necrons would make the covenant a new asshole with their gauss flayers& eldritch technology
eldar would do circles around covenant ship formations.
long story short the covenant being in forty thousand should not be a who wins scenario or question, it should be can the covenant survive in 40k kind of question
@Sleeping Coldhands geez who shit in your cornflakes.
@Sleeping Coldhands Well, you're a right arse, aren't ya?
Another plus for the Covenant in 40k is that you also introduce the Goblin (Mecha piloted by Grunts that can jump hundreds of feet in the air & potentially outrace speeders), the Banished and their units (Would make for a nice subfaction that’s similar to the Farsight Enclaves), or the Prelates (Prophet Custodes that can temporarily ignore gravity).
One advantage the covenant has over 40k factions that would help win battles is their ships. Throughout the halo games the Covenant often used ships such as cruisers and corvettes to support the ground troops. Cruisers especially were seen glassing parts of the battlefield. So if the covenant ever felt like they could lose they would be able to call a cruiser or two to glass enemy strongpoints and command structures or could have the ships pound the battleline with plasma bombs
40k factions can literally do the same thing.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 But don't do that often, since ground based Anti-Orbital defenses exist, unlike in Halo.
Surprised you did it bring up the Banished. They would make a great sub-faction.
Hey, neat. They have their own Farsight Enclaves!
THANK YOU! Genuinely thank ever since I got into 40k this thought has always been knawing in the back of my mind, thank you for putting what some people thought, the Covenant would be an amazing faction in 40k I'd say they'd fit in better than the Tau (don't hate me I do like the Tau but I'd they'd fit more)
Does my guy forget that the “humble lasgun” exterminated every species in the 40k galaxy except for the major factions? The lasgun is said to have hundreds of shots before recharging from an hour in the sun, and each shot can blow flak armor to tiny chunks…
Idk just a thought
Problem with that is Flak Armor is one of the worst armors. Lasguns are only good when they're en-masse and you have thousands of them dumping into one enemy that's actually well armored, if not more. Lasers aren't good against any kind of actual armor unless it's made out of paper (like flak) or you have a huge firing line to make sure the thing you want dead is actually dead.
Like a wise Chaos Marine once said: Those who do not fear the lasgun have not faced a million of them firing at once
@@artikreven mostly fair but still, the lasgun is about a rough equivalent to a modern .45 caliber rifle methinks
Not incredibly powerful by future standards, but en masse as you stated it can do quite a lot
The thought of the Tyranids assimilating the Flood is a terrifying one. Just what the space bugs need - Also being able to turn their victims into zombies on the battlefield...
I personally don't think the Tyranids would assimilate the flood I think the flood would assimilate the tyranids.
@@matthewrobinson6091 The Tyranids are impossible to defeat via biological means. The flood is awesome, yeah - But the Tyranids would win. They are endless, as long as there is biomass.
@@matthewrobinson6091I think that they'd welcome each other with open arms. The fight that would ensue would be purely to see what parts are weak and need to be consumed and absorbed and what needs to be kept.
covenant plasma pistols also when charged beyond a simple fire can also produce an emp like effect, i could see that shutting down, at least temporarily with the necrons
I feel like the only problem with this is that their just the Tau on crack. So yeah just replace the tua with the convernent. Also how do I kitbash them into Warhammer I want to do it.
The covenant are a better version of the tau
@@TheHandofDestiny Yeah, pretty much
@@KissMy2Moons Hahaaaaaas!!!!!!!!
No:-
The Tau will stomp the Covenant. The Tau Empire, the smallest faction of 40k, have trillions of troops and millions of Warships.
You don't believe me, well here are some quotes about from the Tau Codex:-
"""""'''The Ethereal Supreme, Aun'wei of the Whispered Wisdom, signals the commencement of the Second Sphere Expansion with 'the nod that launched a million ships'."""""'''''
A million ships ranging from kilometre long heavily armed Merchant ships to hulking Carriers. And while not all of those are warships, but it gives an idea of the Tau Industrial capacity. The Covenant at there height only had 100,000 ships, with only a quarter of them being Capital Ships.
Make no mistake, the Tau are small, but only by 40k standards.
""""""""'Deathwatch Achilus Assault said:
[...]the Tau Empire has nevertheless made great advances into Imperial space in recent years, spreading at a rapid rate from a handful of worlds to a coalition of dozens of races all gathered together under the strong leadership of the Tau themselves.""""'''
Their empire includes dozens of races.
"""""""Index: Xenos 2 said:
Aun’Va is the Ethereal Supreme, a beloved leader who emboldens trillions of T’au hearts with his inspirational rhetoric.""''''''
The Covenant at their height has billions of troops. While The Tau Empire has Trillions of Tau fire Caste warriors alone.
This also doesn't include the hundreds of billions of auxiliaries of other races, such as Kroot and Gue'vesa:
"""""""""Codex: Tau (8th Edition) said:
Of all the different species integrated into the T'au Empire, the Kroot are by far the most common auxiliaries serving alongside the Fire caste, with many billions of their kind armed for war and assigned to the Hunter Cadres of nearly every sept.""""""''
The Tau also regularly bring billions of soldiers to bear:
"""""""""War Zone Damocles Kauyon said:
Billions of warriors follow Aun’Va and O’Shaserra in the war against Mankind, comprising by far the greatest concentration of the Tau Empire’s military might. The Tau view the Emperor’s realm as some vast, aged beast. Its every monstrous swipe can destroy an entire sept, but it is ponderous too, old and tired."""'''''''
In terms of planets, well that depends on which period in the Tau's history we are talking about. The move from the First to Second Sphere of Expansion was a jump from 8 to 100 worlds:
""""""""""Codex: Tau (4th Edition) said:
Though not extensive, it encompasses a region of space some three hundred light years in diameter, with the Tau homeworld at its centre, and just over a hundred settled worlds.""""""""
So from above quotes, we can see Tau has trillions of troops and at least a million ships. And this is before the fifth sphere of expansion.
So in short they will stomp the Covies.
@@TheHandofDestiny And most importantly they are good in melee
Fact - Tyranids are wusses compared to the flood, and will never be as terrifying.
This video made me imagine a space marine trying to take on a hunter and getting vaporized immediately
If what I read is correct, the covenant only had 3-5 super carriers. The Imperium (I believe. I could be wrong) has 2-3 times that many emperor class super ships (example: Maccrages Honor). The Mechanicus has 3-5 of their dark age super ships that can distort space-time.
Something that would be interesting would be the Covenant vs the Tau. Their population numbers are more evenly matched for the covenant than any other faction.
Great video, and there other weapons such as needlers that can have slight tracking, to fuel rods for anti-armor, as well as that they have a higher use of energy shielding tech that is capable of recharging extremely fast
14:25 actually i think the main symbol the Tau uses is actually a mildly modified version of the forerunner symbol (more specifically the bungie version (halo 1, 2, 3, and reach features this icon)) which that, combined with their relentless growth would make The Covenant think that the Tau ARE the forerunners (or at least a surviving fragment of the forerunners). That would lead to the covenant flawlessly joining the Tau empire and give the Tau a flat tech boost that would allow them to overpower the imperium easily. Religion with both ends might produce a schism between the two from fully joining the either (the humans that work for the Tau would def get the Covenant a little weary), it wouldn't stop them from being working closely together.
Or the Covenant view the Tau as heretical mockery of the forerunners and just glass them, either or is pretty believable.
Tau railgun: who are you?
Legendary Jackal Sniper - I'm the original bad boy!
This made me realize that the Covenant are basically the Tau had they gone the path of the Imperium.
Imma be honest, I zoned to the music while you talked. Marty is probably one of the best composers ever.
Really hope there'll be a Flood video in this vein as well, especially considering the shit they were able to pull during the Forerunner Flood War.
Don’t you worry, the Forerunners and Flood are part 2.
@@pancreasnowork9939 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
@@pancreasnowork9939 It's video will just only focus on Halo or do you intend to explore other sci-fi universe ?
@@MrSafior halo focused
@@pancreasnowork9939 So you stop believing that Star War was real?
A good faction, but a small one
Kinda like a larger Ta'u Empire mixed with the fanatacism of the Imperium and tech-scavenging of the Mechanicum of Mars