star trek is kinda good but fuck any other universe. I dont wanna live in a universe with a civil war happening everywhere or a war between ancient humans who are now robots. Or fucking 40k.
Unless you are either one, one of the Chaos gods or two, a daemon Why? Cause For me and my brothers and sister, and fuck all you guys and your anathema, who once crashed a space hulk into one of my crystal gardens
tottaly disagree warhammer 40k isn't about who is stronger. I would say we from the start know a lot about some characters who are over any powerlimits, about gods etc. warhammer 40k main theme is - suffer. it doesn't metter who you are - you will suffer non stop. even primarhson of living god. the normal people litteraly belive that primarh is gods - and still the suffer. the whole races are suffering always close to be destroyed the suffer. even necrons who are race of soulless robots who are overpowered in wh40k universe and the race who killed or slaved their own gods - they are suffering. I would say I do not remmember any big victory in wh40k at all. yes you can win a battle or something like that . even stoping horus herecy doesn't feel like victory at all. every victory more looks like just like complete 1 task at the work . Even Kadia. yes for imperial it is a lost. but for chaos is it victory? it is like more 1rst step. and for some people Kadia fall - make some of them stronger
@@ancientwizard3055 Human: Dying for the emperor isn't suffering. Nurgling: These blessings aren't suffering. Tyrannid: Planet taste good Orc: War fun, haw haw haw haw! Drukhari: What is the difference between suffering and pleasure? T'au: What do you mean "suffering"? I don't know what that is.
@@manictiger human - when you are 100% loyal and mister inqusitor think that there is a small chanse that you are not loyal, and arrest you and start torture and asking a question about things that you didn't know that even exist. like warp chaos, magic. ye man it is suffering. cult mechanicus who degenerate so hard that toaster become great thing at the same time while you are traveling on the huge planet size ship and deep inside you u understand how stupied you are compare to pre horus eresy mechanicus.
@@manictiger chopped on half tau can feel suffer. orc who wasn't fighting like for a month I said a 1 YEAR WITHOUT GREAT WAAGH. Drukhari: we just killed our last slave and white scar is hunting us on the web sad face.
As far as other factions being just as powerful, I love the fact that the primary weakness of the Necrons is that theyre too petty to work together, and as such are preoccupied with 65 million year old feuds between leaders
No, that is not their primary weakness. Their primary weakness is that the vast majority of them are still asleep. If all of them woke up the next day, the tyranids are no longer the scariest thing around.
@@chigchong2805 Nah they have way better cohesion compared to the Necrons, because it actually exists somewhere beneath the beuracracy, machinery, and blood unlike the Necrons.
@@concept5631 ig but they are all spererated with civil skirmishes often breaking out while its to an lesser degree i still think the imperium has the same problem.
Stars wars: Sir we lost over 40000 people in this massive battle. we need to retreat 40k: only 3 billion losses for one small moon, lets add 3 more for good measure
Life is so cheap in 40k that I can actually buy _"lets risk throwing another 3 billion into the meat grinder just to be sure"_ as a viable military tactic.
And yet, there are plenty of military organisations in Star Wars that are far larger than 40k. Just in the core films alone, we have the Galactic Empire and the Separatist Droid Army, which are larger on an order of magnitude.
Funny story about Orks A group of guardsmen and their commisar are holding out against a wave of orks, and eventually they run out of power packs for their lasguns. Unfased, the commisar picks up a guardsman's weapon, points it at an oncoming ork, yells "BANG!", and the ork falls dead. Amazed, the guardsmen follow suit, orks falling left and right. A few minutes later, a group of orks come running towards the position, not dropping to the men's loudest 'bang's; only when they get closer do the guardsmen hear them chanting "I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank!".
He ain't joking when he said every other race is overpowered because there's a race called Necrons and they use gods as double AA batteries and they supernova suns for fun
The easiest way is to say "The Scale". In Star Wars, the Star Destroyer is the mainline Battleship. It would be a Cruiser in 40k. The Super Star Destroyer that is the OP Dreadnaught is the size of standard Battleships in 40k.
An Imperial II Star Destroyer is the size of an Imperial (40k) heavy frigate at 1.6km long. Super Star Destroyers like the Executor-class are actually twice the length of an Imperial battleship.
@@AGrumpyPanda depends on the battleship and the source between 8km to 10km-15km and the bigger battleship class the Gloriana class battleship is around 20km, the biggest battleship of that class is 26km in lenght and it´s the Macragge's Honor The current flagship of the Ultramarine Primarch ,Roboute Guilliman
@@deathtrooper7760the cast vast vast majority of them are on the lower end, and those that are on the higher side aren't really any better, becayse they run into a simple problem, 99% of there guns are on there sides, so if they want to shoot something they have to spend 40 years turning to get a shot off, in which case basically any ship of any size class could have just fled the battlefield in the time it takes to line up a kill shot
When a planet busting event happens: In any sci-fi universe… The inhabitants break before the planet does. In 40 K, the planet breaks before the defenders do.
@@spudnik4305 They're Very reliable. But not infallable. You can drag them through mud, muck, sand, and still fire just fine. But sometimes the machine spirit gets testy and you lose the magazine's charge.
@@johnwillies7861 the necrons in that game are insanely strong. Just... free construction bots, free infantry and you can mass resurrect them forever. Like, I had a game where I got to have 40 full squads of necron warriors.
Starship Troopers Force in form of scenario Where both start on opposite side of galaxi with 100 starting planets can win, by faster and bether FTL, progresiv technology (can produce same byg power armor), fast colonization. In short is Starship Troopers universe like what been before fall of technology.
Castigator Titan : it's the most powerful Titan in the history of mankind and all other titans are mere cheap copies of it- oh and a small squad of gray knights killed it
@@karvenman To be fair, the Gray Knights are no slouches by any sense. There's what, 1 chapter of Gray Knights, and they do a good bit of work for fighting all of Chaos corruption within the Imperium. To say nothing of their Chapter Lord, whose name I forget (forgive the heresy), who's been grinding demons in the Warp by himself for the past couple centuries.
@@panther-nk2hn yeah but at the same time, if they wanted to kill it, they should have used an actually impressive force and not just a small squad of gray knights. They could have Kaldor Draigo pop in for a short amount of time, or maybe necrons and their doomsday weapons, or the Eldar and whatever big ass weapons they have. All the writers had to do was use an impressive force and the death of the castigator Titan would have been fine
Nerdy point on accuracy, the bolter fires a round out the barrel first which then ignites a charge and continues accelerating. So it's technically still a gun, just one that fires highly specialised rounds.
@@nolanmcintire831 Default bolter shells are fused to explode inside the target, on on contact. The goal being to blow open a big crater in the target.
Well. There's worlds with many many billions people. So you'd have even a billion guardsmen right there. But also not every planet has even 50K guardsmen. But most would ans it would. Be in the vast millions at the very least. So it's closer to 500 trillion.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 when the prototype mjolnir shield took an inderect blow from a 120mm superheavy antiarmor missile, this shield being several times worse than the gen1 mjolnir standard shields, which in turn are 'exponentially worse' than mjolnir gen2 shielding. That is to say: more like 150 boltors off of KE alone for gen1 mjolnir, maybe 50 or 60 including explosive. And again, gen2 is "exponentially" better shielded than even that.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 Would you like to see an assault cannon rip that to shreds too? Bigger caliber, 400 round mag. Those shields can't hold out against something with a high rate of fire and massive caliber plus little to no recoil.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 OK, and? I said the shield was about 150x more durable than what you implied minimum, not that its on par with a heavy vehicles durability. As for how well it'd hold up against an assault cannon, depends on actual caliber and rate of fire. If you can give me the actual calibre and fire rate i can do some basic, rough, translation from terms of .75 at 2x SOS to whatever the assault cannon would do. With fire rate i could then give a rough guess of how long it would last. Also, how long would a SM stand up under an assault cannon out of curiosity? My money's on the shields over the SM tbh.
I would add that from a storywriting perspective, 40k really benefits from being set in a 'fallen' or 'post-peak' universe: Each faction (minus the Tau) there *was* much stronger in the distant past, but lives on as a shadow of its former glory. This gives stories two major advantages: you can pull a superweapon into the plot with an easy justification ("ancient archaeotech weapon that was long-forgotten and just recently rediscovered") and just as quickly write it out of any future stories ("It broke and we don't have the schematics/It got possessed by a Daemon/AdMech filed it away on a Forge world for 5,000 years of study before they might let you have it back"). Even when the writers don't explicitly write those explanations in, it lets readers seamlessly fill in the blanks themselves. By comparison, in almost all of the other sci-fi universes mentioned, it's hard to explain why the protagonists (or antagonists) suddenly got their hands on some superweapon/near-magic tech. "How did Scotty/the Empire/ONI just suddenly *have* this technology? When/how did they develop it? Why wasn't it used earlier? Why doesn't it show up in later stories set in this universe?" This helps paper over some of the lore inconsistencies in 40k (and there's quite a few...) and other writing errors, making the universe as a whole feel more believable despite the comedically over-the-top nature of the setting.
Honestly the Primaris are the funniest example of that. In any other universe an improvement of the already superhuman soldiers would come from new technological developments. Imperium? They had whole caches of these guys sitting on ice for thousands of years since the Imperium's Golden Age until Big G would wake up and give them their marching orders. To compare it to Halo this isn't the Spartans being created, this is the Didact returning and bringing the Prometheans with him or the Protoss awakening Spear of Adun and then warriors sleeping on it.
It doesn't help in my opinion. Because if it was as useful as its supposed to be, surely it would be a top priority to find and recover. Like imagine the Death Star just went missing one day. Don't you think that the Empire would be expending every resource to try to find the thing? Because the obvious implication is "oh shit this can and probably will be used against us".
@@OtterTreySSArmy Yeah, but if the Cog Boys took it to study for 5 thousand years, you can't exactly tell them what to do. I mean, what are you gonna do, tell the guys that equip their soldiers with radioactive weapons and lobotomize *trillions* of their own kind, vat grown or otherwise, that 'No, you cannot take this superweapon apart, we need it to kill shit even deader than before'?
Halo and Star Wars have reasons Star Wars : long ago in a galaxy far away not much explanation necessary maybe there is but I’m not very well versed in starwars lore. But halo I think makes sense a lot of the technology they have is currently in very early stages of development and the stuff we don’t have is usually from some other explanation like the for runners. Like where do you think the halos came from? The devices that can wipe out all life in a very very huge area as a last resort to kill the flood.
Exterminatus is a very serious process that is thoroughly considered and will be in application only if the planet is considered irredeemable and regaining will cost more than what it is worth
Honestly I don't think a stormtroopers blaster would do much to a guardsman, their armor and weapons are only shit by the standards of 40k, to everything else their gear is actually really good.
@@Nyghtking their general armour is a slab of layered armour and a steel helmet, even modern ceramics are better protection than that even against lasers.
@@LoneWulfHunter if a lasgun hit like an MBT, you do understand that itd be the boltors being used by regular ground troops right? At that kind of power based on sheer thrust to weight ratios, a Space marine taking a torso shot from a lasgun would go flying several dozen meters like a small car being slammed by a flat nose m1a1 sabot, what your describing is some midling between a lasgun and a lascannon (lascannon is over a 100 megawatt laser, a.k.a. the sheer impact of the laser is a minimum of about 17 modern hand grenades detonating in a single spot similtaneously). Based purely on power consumption when being charged (few hours in fire, a few more in sunlight) a lasgun is in the watt to kilowatt range, or about 1,000 - 10,000 ish times weaker per pulse than a lascannon. The reason things explode when hit by it is that its almost definitely tuned harmonically to water (think of a microwave oven) and thus causes small steam explosions on damp, fleshy, or wet targets. Hence why it rips off unprotected limbs andmoccasionally (not always) detonates on terrain.
@Chaz Hagen lasers are by yheir very nature a beam of high energy electrons that have matched or exceeded the speed of light and are now travelli jg in a superimposed band of particles that also behaves like a wave. Quantum theory 101, light has mass.
Ah yes, glorious Imperial Guard tactics, throw men, ammunition and material at the problem in copious amounts until the problem either disappears or you need something more powerful to make it disappear.
Short answer: The original concept of 40k was born in the 80's, a time where hyper-violence and exageration was big in the media. 40k always wins because it is unapologetically absurd, exagerated to the extreme, and revels in every single moment. Also, Waaaaagh.
My idea of Warhammer 40K is like the quantum physics in particles, but reversed. You test it and looks like a wave, with photons acting like being in two quantum states at the same time (makes no sense), but measure it and bam! It is a particle, with definite quantum state. Imperium of Man, however, is finite and limited. It has a finite power and a finite territory, which does not overlap with the other races and can, maybe, even lose to them. However, measure it and bam! It is suddenly infinite and uncertain, it makes no sense. Where does their power end? Where does their galactic control end? It cannot be infinite because there are other races out there that are even more powerful than they are, but you look at it and the Imperium of Man is *just imesurable.* The number of individual space marines (and only them, not even counting guards and shit) is higher than the total count of quantum particles in the universe. Makes sense? Not at all, it just is. How can the universe even support such insane living power? It can't. It just is. How can a single space marine with barely no magical power be so fucking powerful (like, *infinitely* powerful) yet die so easily (because the enemies are *infinitely* powerful too)? They can't. It just is. It is the joke. *_It just is._*
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 While we are going at it, why not include the Grey Goo from the flash game Tasty Planet? The fabric of reality also became Its meal.
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 The most powerful feats the Grey Goo has shown is from Tasty Planet: Back for seconds where it literally devoured Everything but stops at the turtles of time. What about Galactus highest feats without his herald's?
@@juliancalero8012 um, they do have good tactics and strategy. It's just a stereotype that IG is a meatwave. Sometimes they are because, necrons for example don't give a damn about your tactics.
@@t.va.6611 Necrons:Are most common and least sophisticated small arms can shred your heaviest tank, because fuck you that's why. And a Necron with a sniper is a literal portable halo ring.
To quote Bricky If Space Marine is a super soldier and Grey Knights is super super soldier, then Custodies is the soldiers that call Space Marine cute.
2 important things to also consider is every legion of marines have special genes that make them near immune to disease/ poison, or have werewolf genes that make them extreme hunters. The 2nd is the brain implants that speed up their brain functions so they can process information and think at super speed
“This walker has 4 turbo laser cannons, armor capable of shrugging off fighter weaponry, and space for several dozen troopers.” “So a light patrol vehicle then?”
@@mekhane.broken9678 because they destroyed the darn computers that had the information in them. Going from automated design to paper sounds disastrous lol
Yeah. They destroyed the computers tho because they were afraid that chaos would corrupt it and steal the information and tech written inside (not the whole story but from what i surmise)
@@mekhane.broken9678 but then someone would have to know all of the schematics of the titian (i think thats what they are called) there is only so much someone can see on paper or on stone. you know in the height of the imperium, the factories could probably pump those titans out in a week, or maybe a month
In other scifi, certain tech tends to be nerfed in some way to keep it from being too overpowered. But sometimes the writers might add something else even more powerful, or the same thing but without the nerf. If left unchecked, you might lose a sense of scale for just how powerful the things in that universe really are. WH40k is what happens when everything starts off way too OP because powercreep is the name of the game.
Actually, 40k is reversed powercreep. EVERY factions (Except Tau), is long past their prime or golden age. Nercon used to rule the universe for 60 MILLIONS years. Gods were so scared of them that they had to trick them to give up their body. Orc which is the second most powerful faction right now was once highly intelligent while physically stronger than they are now. Tyranids are literally the Floor in Halo but actually won. It is rumors that outside of the Imperium, there are nothing but Tyranids and Orcs left. Hack, even human are long past their golden age. ALL of human technology were invented back in the "Dark Age of Humanity". In 40k, there was no working competed STC (Standard Template Construct) anymore. They are usually technology that were decoded from pieces of this database. During Age of Technology, EVERY human group of colonists have one of these machine that are able to produce anything and everything. A machine that contain all of human knowledge. AI work side by side with human and ploit interstellar ships through warp. Current Imperium of Men, which is already more overpowered than all their other Sci-Fi setting, is not even 1% of a 1% of Human used to be. Tau is the only exception (Maybe Tyranids too but little is known about them). They are still at the infancy and yet to reach their golden age. But other than them, everyone are "nerfed" to the ground in 40K compared to what the faction once was.
That’s absolute truth! The only “plot nerfs” which are existing in 40K are towards some of the Necrons, because they are technically the most op race in the galaxy who has quantum computers instead of their brains and use fragments of space gods as powerbanks/pokemons, so their leaders forced to be either insane or not being interested in fighting towards most other races. The another one is Magnus the Red after Horus Heresy, who is technically capable of wiping out entire armies by force of single spell, or can blow gigantic titans with mind bolts. But in that case any conflict won’t be interesting with him participating in it, so there is a lot of weird stuff is going on with any plot connected to him…
@@mrginge143 The imperium of man is an absolute shithole, not even taken into account the constant threat of other xenos races. -No wonder why so many people join fucking CHAOS!- -And looking closer, there's literally no setbacks for joining chaos, apart from horrible mutations, hideous diseases, getting fucking MURDERING CRAZY!! and probably getting assraped with a chainsword, but you'll enjoy it anyways- Hehe, but of course is better to die in the light of the EMPRAH than to give in to the ruinous powers of KHEYOSS!! -Can I go now, inquisitor?-
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 Dude, a single xeelee would nuke the entirety of WH40K. A bunch of Xeelee nightfighters would destroy the chaos gods. Time travel is too OP for WH40k to deal with.
If imperiums high command hears a message "we lost billions" they are just going to shoot the messenger for wasting their time with such trivial info. Even trillions are not worth mentioning
@@alyrafsanjani6928 Some planets have a population of 2 trillion people and imperium has over a million planets so the numbers add up pretty big in the end. altho smaller planets have only 100billion people in them
You know how in Rise of Skywalker, when we find out that Palpatine has made a fleet of Star Destroyers that can each destroy a planet? And remember how everyone thought that that was way over the top and stupid? In the 40k universe, it's not just a reasonable idea, it's the Imperium's main fleet.
TBH just listening to the description of the Space Marines and the world of 40K excites me. The most awesome and ridiculous sci-fi lore EVER! Even the frickin LIBRARIAN is insanely powerful!
How about the chaplain? A space marine in full black armor and a skull-styled helmet, with only the shoulderpad bearing the chapter heraldy and colors, that carries a power mace/truncheon/scepter, that is responsible for checking if every space marine in the chapter is devoted to the Imperium and to the God Emperor, and that smashes the face of those who show chaos taint on the spot.
@@matejperec6495 so why was the Death Star such a huge deal - if so many ships could destroy planets? If it was so common, why did Obi-Wan freak out when Alderan was destroyed - if it happened before? The whole reaction to the Death Star disproves your comment. All of that was added later.
@@GKinslayer To be fair, ther eis quite a bit of difference. A fleet of star destroyers can purge the surface of a planet with extended orbital bombardment, but that's somewhat easy to contend with. Your planetary shields can hold back their weapons while your orbital defences fight them off. Even if the star destroyers are in orbit unopposed it'll take them some time to wipe the planet, and the planet itself will still be there after it just lacking any life. The death star can turn a planet into an asteroid field, at range, with little to no warning. No time to evacuate, no options for defence, and very little to return to after the event. That's why it was such a big deal. And just because it could happen, doesn't mean it was common. Even in 40k Exterminatus wasn't common. The ability is there if and when it's needed, but it really is a last resort.
40k quote: "For every planet that falls, ten more are brought into the fold. FEAR US! For WE count the lives of planets NOT men!" - Imperial Inquisitor while ordering an exterminatus
Cept, nowadays, it's the other way around - for every planet brought into the fold, ten more fall. They're losing the Imperium, sacrifice by sacrifice. (And then came 8th edition and the galaxy exploded.)
Yeah, ten more are brought into the fold if you count the Rogue Traders mischieviously gallivanting around and fucking shit up in the galactic fringes while making a fortune from which the Imperium at large likely sees about 0,1 percent of. Heehehe. I love Rogue Traders.
Even how 40k does FTL is absolutely mental. Whereas all the other sci fi stuff has some reasonable 'scientific' way of explaining warping from one point to another, 40k literally goes through space hell. There's also one thing I like about the orks that you don't see anywhere else. I read somewhere that a guardsman managed to steal an ork's gun. When he tried to pull the trigger, it wouldn't fire. When the ork got his gun back, the gun started shooting again. You can give an ork a metal pipe and tell it that its a gun and if he believes its a gun, that pipe will start shooting out bullets.
Let's put it this way: if you sick even the mildest Ork WAAAGH!!! on any other universe (unless it's like Forerunner-era Halo, then you need a proppa WAAAGH!!!) is going to be a bad time for anyone not an Ork. Each one of those reality-warping fuckers generate their own 'WAAAGH!!! field', meaning they're generating their own 'Warp' wherever they go *simply by existing.* The 40k universe is pretty much the only place I can think of where Orks aren't 'OP plz nerf'-tier compared to everything else.
Internet Zen Master But it also works the other way around, you can hold a flashlight and if the Orks believe it to be a gun, perhaps a lasgun, it will kill them. Humans can also tap into that WAAGH energy if they spend enough time around orks. This is particularly shown by a group of gardsmen that they have hunted Orks on their planet of centuries. The WAAGH field is stronger the more orks there are. Many of their weapons work based on the belief that they will work. What's worse is that different colors have different effects on things due to WAGH energy. Yellow= Bigger boom. Red=Faster. Green=better hidin. Ect. You also have to deal with the fact that if an Ork makes it to your planet, you almost have to glass the planet to prevent more orks. See, when an Ork dies it releases spores that GROW MORE ORKS. Many orks have a natural affinity for technology. Ect. The orks are descendants of the Morks which were MADE by the Old ones to fight the war in heaven. They were designed to fight a war where they are outmatched and win! They won't grow tired of combat, in fact, its the opposite. They revel in it. There are accounts of at least on two seperate occasions a ork WAGH making it to the Sol system and nearly destroying Holy Terra itself! The first time the Emperor himself had to step in to stop it. The second one was very interesting lore wise, for you see, they didnt have a single Warboss but an oligarchy of 16 warbosses working together so that their wagh would never fall. It took a primearch DIEING just to kill ONE of the 16 warbosses. They had mobile bases the size of moons that could teleport across the galaxy and end worlds. They had hundreds of those things and parked one above Terra for awhile. In the end, the Orks decided that the Imperium wasn't as fun to fight as something they discovered outside the 40k galaxy itself! So they just up and left! That's the power of the orks for you. P. s. Very rarely does any of them fall to Chaos. Turns out their WAGH energy actually dampens the powers of kaos depending on who you talk to. There are also Ork psykers though those are few and far between and shunned by Orks. XD
2 years late but I think the better comparison is finding a guard regiment dedicated to the topic in question. Space Marines are the "poster child" because GW wants them to sell, but for each space marine battle the guard has fought on hundreds more battle fields across the galaxy. Now to admit my bias, I play guard and I love all the random lore. However, Cadia is the gold standard model and a single planet housing a regiment is the exception not the rule. Cadia, Catachan, Armageddon, Vostroya, Valhalla, Krieg, Atilla, Tallaran, and too many more are not the standard of 40k. In general we should and can divide them into: Fuedal, Penal, specialist, and "standard" (not this is how I like to break down legions it's not really official) Fuedal legions are legions drawn up from worlds which have regressed to resemble the fuedal era of humanity though some retain stronger weapons such as the laslock. They tend to be a bit smaller when drawn from a single world. Penal legions are legions drawn up from a variety of worlds and have criminals who were too bad to return to society but not totally irredeemable (think repentia from the sisters of battle) Specialist legions are ones like Krieg, Armageddon, Catachan, and Tallaran specialize in siege, mechanized, jungle, and desert/ambush warfare respectively. These tend to be from a single world though that is not always the case. "Standard" refers to legions that are close to Cadia but have one or two special characteristic. From being pricks to having an armor or weapon that's only produced on their home world. They may deploy independently or may be a model that's exported to a system or systems. These could be culturally distinct groups, groups that are drawn from gangs, groups that carry unique armors, groups with unique weapons, etc. etc. Additionally they may be entire regiments (which would have to be reduced in size given the size of a 40k regiment) or could be mixed together. How 40k treats the guard is incredibly strange. They are the punching bag of every action, yet they still appear everywhere. Like ants where there is one there's dozens and where a threat appears they fight even if there are no chances of survival. Even when space marines run, when the enemy is mowing them down, and when the planet breaks below their feet. The guard has held the line for 10 thousand years, and they shall continue to hold the line. The planet broke before the guard did, Cadia Stands!
FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS You'd be surprised what not only optimus prime can do in 40k but the average cybertronian big or small Before we talk about Cybertron optimus we must talk about optimus in General transformers has (had its weird)multiversal constants to some degree certain laws that govern transformers lore apply on a multiversal level let's break down a few 1)primus and the matrix:primus as stated is a multiversal lvl primordial god of order good and creation compare this to the parasyte gods of 40k who are a measly galactic(universal at best in case of khorne tseench with his shards gork and mork)now what the matrix does is create a direct link between the Prime possessing It and all previous primes this includes primus himself and can release his energy now that is mostly useless unless used against Unicron the primordial god of chaos basically optimus any point can just pull up to the warp open up the matrix and PURGE the entire warp of chaos bye bye chaos gods 2): cybertronian anatomy:unlike what first impressions would lead you too think Cybertronians aren't (just) robots they are metal based organisms with cells dna(cna)cybertronian anatomy has a funny little property of incorporating materials and technology that means optimus can pull up to a tomb world steal some tech and with a bit of surgery asymilate it into his cna necron tech and materials(necrodermis and Blackstone)alone would make optimus -immune to psychic energy -regenerate -be able too resurrect himself -be able to teleport -be able to phase through matter -be able to mass shift thus giving him FTL both for movement and combat -his natural bio weapons would turn into gauss blasters (and if he got rocket pods from the tau he would have gauss missiles)he could also get the void shield from the Empire (and then his cna will turn it into smth like a gauss shield)and the advanced laser tech from eldar IT GETS WORSE (or better)optimus is a large land vehicle so he can scan other large land vehicles and turn into em like say a doomsday ark winch has the firepower of a supernova And all of that refers to the AVERAGE cybertronian not prime Now if you want more well move in to prime 3)prime power ya see in order to understand Cybertron optimus we have too understand his megatron/Galvatron Cybertron is the third and last series on the Unicron trilogy to put it shortly lets start the timeline with Armada Megatron basically imagine primarch twice as big and completely made out of metal now a Megatron gets powered up by minicons(who all have a part of Unicron's power and becomes Galvatron now in Transformers energon Galvatron feeds in even more of Unicron's power and re becomes Megatron(he died in Armada well kinda)and then he feeds on super energon on Cybertron the divine life blood of primus and re becomes Galvatron then in Cybertron he grafts parts of Unicron's Corps onto himself and re becomes Megatron then he siphons the power of a cyber planet key and becomes Galvatron(and by extension optimus)has is atleast comparable to a daemon Prince one tiny correction if memory serves a planet key alone CST terraform the omegalock is need for that but the matrix can be used to make new autobot life oit of vehicles and a cyber planet key can be used to alter and inhance cybertronian anatomy so optimus can turn himself I to a jet if he wants too basically a fully enhanced Cybertron optimus can pull up to the palace the Emperor and all his primarchs and solo everyone at once not too mention he can just make an army others like him that are loyal to the autobot cause of "freedom is the right of all sentient lifeforms) Also nine of this covers how our boy space robo jesus is a tactician a scholar a politician and a philosopher with a millennia of experience who only ever asked for freedom and peace
All gods in 40k are nothing compared to the powers of Gork and Mork. One being brutally cunning the other being cunningly brutal. If they ever stopped fighting each other the grim dark future of the 41st millennium would end.
The four primary chaos gods are constantly at war with each other. They call it "the great game". Gork and Mork come rolling around is for the chaos gods the equivalent of the cat jumping on the table and messing up the entire board.
The Necrons after the Halo Array is fired: "Where did everyone go? We can't even find the Tyranids." The Necrons after the Forerunners' Guardians show up: "..."
@@MLaak86 Pariah in 40k are essentially just organic beings with no biological connection to the Warp, and this trait causes psychic energies to be destroyed in their presence (including the essence of the Chaos demons). And while it takes special conditions among life that came into existence amid Warp energies for a Pariah to be made, having no biological connection to a dimension that doesn't exist in their universe would be universal among Halo's forces.
@@heocon0541 Not really, The ending shows a new great empire of mankind and through everything they have gone through, They continued to a better future.
The bolter, basically a Grenade launcher with rocket propelled armor piercing explosive tipped fragmenting bullets the size of a soda can, oh and it’s fully automatic.
Star Wars's Death Star or Star Killer was a big deal. Pretty sure some people in the Imperium decided not to use that type of weapon against an all powerful enemy because it was 'no fun'
The death star was a big deal because it completely destroyed a planet, even at it's most powerful extermantus had to happen when the plantery shields were down and even then only could chunk the planet if you used a lot of the most powerful kind of extermantus, which makes it similar to a base delta zero, which is just glossing a planet with a star destroyers main weapons
@@HellsRaven4444 they are way spread all over the world ( sleep like a baby ) 🤣 . It is true that almost impossible to beat catan/necron head on and requires many strategies to defeat it , but there are still some way to defeat them 😫 ..... Yea few or less .... Or maybe ..... I donno
Also they aren't afraid to depict different races that just aren't really the bad guys, but by no stretch of the imagination the good guys ether. Ever race has their own reason to do what they do and no one is actually the good guy ^^
Battleship in Star Wars: suffering from somewhat being touched by a tiny thingy not even in the main parts. Battleship in WH40K: *LITERALLY DESIGNED TO RAM THE ENEMY ON FULL SPEED*
Star Wars: we’ve lost 50,000 in a single day, we’ve got to at the very least, reevaluate our situation 40k: 50,000 in a single day! Somethings going right for us boys!
Only 50k in a day coz we are freezing? Give me a heavy flamer! I take care of the icy weather and you kill the others. Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! cit: Kharn the betrayer . Starting planetary population 6b imperial guards, 10 space marine with a Champion, 2 squads of sisters of battle Starting invading forces 2b warped in demons and 5 squand of Chaos marines leaded by Kharn the betrayer Final results of the day: Only kharn left sitting on an hill made of skulls and w8ing for the next Chapter or exterminatus to return to the warp and claim his bounty xD
No actually those are Grown-ups... That are like a Bunch of Kids in the Circle Going “Well MY Faction can...” Contantly trying to one up each other, it’s great
Starwars: guys! This is horrible! They made a weapon that CAN KILL PLANETS 40K: did somebody say JOINING CHAOS?! uh oooooh! SMASH IT! *exterminatus the whole damn system*
Star wars had planet busting capacities way before the Death Star. What made the deathstar special is that it's a enormous battlstation (so you can't really destroy it in direct fight) and that the destruction was absolutely instant, something even 40k don't have.
@@ziavanzaa.r6335 Exterminatus doesn't destroy planets in a blink of an eye. It's either a massive and long bombardment from several ships , or the use of cyclonic torpedoes, who take a very long time (a few hours at least) to reach the core and destroy a planet (and those are very rarely used in comparison with the bombardment). It's nothing in common with the Deathstar that can pop anywhere in the galaxy and instantly destroy the planet with one laser.
@@thunderstormhd4416 khorne and the chaos gods can't affect the materium, that's why they use their minions and it's the entire premise of how 40k work. He couldn't even snap away a guardsman and have 0 feats by themselves. Fuck, do you even know the setting you are talking about ? Chaos gods can directly intervene in Age of Sigmar (and it's still limited) but that's all.
Honestly it's no contest. Other Sci-fi shows do war as a hobby, a little side part of a plot. 40k there is nothing but War, it's daily life. It's also War on a galactic Scale. To Star Wars the Death star was a big thing, it could blow up Planets! To 40k it's Tuesday.
To add on to the guardsmen population you should also consider the large number of basic civilians who are conscripted should there planet come under attack like we see in during the siege of Terra.
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." That should immediately tell anyone observing that a science fiction universe where life is synonymous with war, their ability to wage war is going to be beyond other universes.
I disagree. WH40k is still too human-centered and afraid to embrace scale. Most importantly, it's barely one galaxy. What about setting in which whole galaxies can be casulties in a war? Or where even whole superclusters of galaxies are used as weapons themselves? WH40k is a bug on the windshield for things like Doctor Who or the Xeelee.
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Entire universes are- well were, subject to total annihilation on a daily biases, and humans were pretty high rank in that universe(to bad they don't talk about anything beyond the Lagann Unit's short part of the story/ not even half of it's story either, just Simon's portion.)
Australia is being ravaged by rats, cats, rabbits and frogs. Its animals are fairly poorly evolved because they spent geological ages in isolation. It has a few scary bugs because humans havnt been there for long to eradicated them.
When you live in a country where an Adder or a weaver fish is the scariest thing you will come across then:- Great Whites, Salt water crocs, that sea snake, deadly spiders in the loo, giant toads , koalas etc.. are very 40K :) www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2013/03/australias-dangerous-animals-the-top-30/
Im not an expert on StarWars but acording to what I remember the Sith Empire fell and rebuild countless times and all of it in just years. The Imperium of Man is 40000 years old and only once a long time ago was the Imperium extremely close to eradication during the Horus herecy, it's so gigantic that even a few planets rebeling is not importend enough to be taken seriously. Warhammer 40K is the turest form of OP or rather UltraOverOP. Like he said it's pretty much lunacy how OP it is.
40k isn't OP. It's just very hyperbolic and written by people who don't know how logistics work. If you actually created the 40k universe and they actually had to produce the food and distribute it to feed everyone, the Imperium would collapse within days, because it doesn't have the infrastructure to actually exist. And that's before you take into account their endless wars that burn through monumental amounts of resources they just don't have. The writers just made up big numbers and hand-waved the specifics to tell stories that sound like 12 year old boys came up with them on the playground trying to one-up each other.
Rule 1 Of Sci-fi: you can't make ALL the races of your universe being op Warhammer 40K: * exists * Halo: wait, thats illegal Edit: Why the fuck this have 1,8 Likes?
@@gracecalis5421 pre flood halo races were far more advanced than anything wh40k. Most races could do what you just mentioned and they were not even the strongest.
@@ianlong1437 The Precursors were straight up just gods. All the events of the Halo franchise began because they were basically playing Minecraft in Creative Mode.
One of the most amusing bits of fluff in 40k is Commissar Yarrick - not only is he a complete badass, but thanks to the Orks latent psychic field which Yarrick has studied and exploited where possible, Yarrick is also potentially immortal now as the entire race of Orks fully believe he's un-killable and will always be around to give them a good fight......
Eye of the Storm you have no idea how much amusement that thought has brought me. Just all the orks shooting at him but the bullets somehow missing and screaming wahhhh! And he’s just in the middle just fucking walking past everybody.
This man got his arm cut off by a 12 foot green monster and his reaction was "Fuck you, you jolly green jackass, you take my arm, I take your power claw". Yarrick has balls of steel (legion hehe).
"This just in, man literally too angry to die!" Commissar Yarrick in a nutshell, "Hold up, an update on the situation... Ok he just charged an entire Ork warband by himself yelling "AVE IMPERATOR!" and has, yep, he has come out unscathed... Somehow that doesn't surprise me Jim.".
I feel like an astartes would be a really tough match up for a Jedi. They are super heavy so I would be hard to force push them, they are also familiar with fighting psychers. They shoot bullets which are almost impossible to deflect with a light saber. And they could probably tank a few lightsaber strikes.
Mass/weight isn't really a factor for properly trained Jedi. They can throw around starfighters, which are significantly more massive than Space Marines. And Space Marine Armor is weak to super-heated plasma, meaning the Lightsabers would likely go through it like butter. Bolter rounds are grenades the size of a roll of quarters, and since a lightsaber is liable to cause the grenade to explode on contact rather than be deflected, which could still result in shards injuring the Jedi. The Jedi's best chance is to use their superior speed and agility to avoid getting shot. I'd say for most matchups the Space Marines would have the advantage, though Force Users with darker impulses might be able to use Force Crush to pulverize Space Marines without a fight.
Technically a Jedi and Sith would be extremely difficult for an Astartes due to the fact that they have similar traits to Psykers and Psykers are notorious to be a pain to deal with.
@@taelorpickel2830 yeah this was before I knew more about warhammer lore and all that. A jedi could probably take an astartes 1v1, depending on who gets the jump on who. Darth Vader vs a Grey Knight could be really interesting.
In short, it's because 40k was balanced via arms race: Imperium: "we have space marines that can fight after losing limbs and survive anything short of concerted anti-tank weaponry" Eldar: "yeah well we have advanced precursor tech that lets us teleport behind you with impossibly sharp swords or mow you down with energy rounds from a distance" Imperium: "ok now we have big mechs controlled by corpses with flamethrowers and miniguns and giant battle claws and laser cannons that can stomp through dozens of your soldiers" Orkz: "yeh well we'z got a zoggin' big army cuz we'z be multiplyin frum sporz in da billyuns! oo carez bout yer dozens yeh smash!?" Eldar: "our race has powerful psykers that can decimate your forces with unnatural power" Imperium: "we have librarians that can do the same and each of our hundreds of thousands of planets conscripts tens of millions of guardsmen, you are no match" Chaos: "we use psychic power as a beacon to locate you and feed from the suffering caused by the deaths of billions of your cannon fodder, our troops are created from the collective fears and emotions of all sentient races, our greater daemons are fragments of our gods" Imperium: "our primarchs are created of our god too and wear armour that is almost indestructible; they are so powerful they can only be killed by eachother. you are no match for our power. and we have huge mechs the size of skyscrapers" Orkz: "yeh well we'z got gubbins loik dat too!" Chaos: "your primarchs cannot survive our temptation and will come to our side, even these demigodlike beings will serve us as puppets" Necrons: "we are space terminators who have been hibernating for millions of years. we are survivors of a galactic conflict orders of magnitude greater than the current one, waging war against an entire race of beings as strong as your emperor" 'Nids: *NOM* Continue ad nauseam.
Hmm Jedi that has potential to learn more and not warriors to begin with.Sith who are constantly learning. At their prime. 40k: A company of Space Wizards idk about training a stuff but they are combat ready. Also those aren't laser they are firing,other that Lasguns/Rifles,those are tank shells they are firing from those bolters. Deflect that.
@@pyerack the average space marine lives for 1000 years. They've got dreadnaughts kicking around for over 10000 years. Hell, there are probably some thunder warriors still alive somewhere, and they were just the prototypes!
@@zikrihelmiamminuddin8240 pretty sure comic book universes have characters who would erase the God Emperor with a thought, and the entire galaxy. Comics are so broken it’s kinda absurd
In Star Wars it’s a really big deal when a galactic military has the ability to destroy a world completely or render it uninhabitable quickly... in 40k that’s kind of a regular occurrence for most of the factions
MyDuck IsOnQauck Planetary Defences can maybe push them back, and it will probably take longer than a day, but yeah, seven Star Destroyers can take out a Planet in Star Wars. Doubt they can take out a Fortress World though.
@@allenrosales9738 They could. An important fortress world like cadia from what i know probably didnt even have a void shield for its city. Without a defending navy several star destroyers would definitely destroy a fortress world.
@@polariser5900 *sigh* Imperial navy: 25,000 imperial star destroyers, over a million and a half smaller warships(based off sector groups), 50+dreadnoughts(around 26 of which are executer classes), a sovereign class(continent/small moon busting laser), the eclipse(continent/small moon) 1000s of other star destroyers/sized ships, sun crusher(star buster, that tanked a death stat laser), 2 death stars, an extra death star prototype with a functional laser, galaxy gun(snipe planets and ships from across the galaxy), the tarken,(planet buster), the conqueror(continent/small moon cracking super laser), metal crystal phase shifters(bypass shields to weaken hull integrity), and dozens of world devastators(can rip apart planets with tractor beam projectors, while tanking shots from capital ships. Can collect materials to upgrade/grow, produce droids, droid fighters, capital ships, and even create new world devastators) It takes seven imperial star destroyers to execute a exsterminatus in under 24 hours. The hapes consortium was a faction in star wars that had a minuscule number of planets compared to that of the empire. Its navy outnumbered its number of planets by 3-7+ to one. This means with just the empire's full memeber world territries they could more than double thier navy or heavily supplement larger capital ships like the Allegiance battlecruiser(2km), or dreadnoughts. Plus there was a plan to include super class star destroyers(8km) in many of the empires sectors. That potentially 100s. There was also the assertor class(15km), bellator(7km), and mandator III(12km). Also even the seperatist alliance had millions of warships(revenge of the sith cross section), and they only held 10,000 to a couple dozen thousand systems.Imperial army: 10s of trillions(Rebellion era campaign guide) Stormtrooper corps: 100s of millions-billions CompForce: 100s of billions(2nd edition sourcebook) Tanks/repulsorcraft: trillions Walkers: 10s of millions The E-11 is the equivalent of a 14.5mm round with enough heat to punch through a lightly armored or unarmered opponent(as seen in multiple canon and legends comics). In a new hope it vaporizes steel bars. Hans blaster can be scaled to a 20mm and chewbaccas bowcaster from canon dishes out 47,000 pounds of force. In legends comics a heavy blaster pistol like hans, was shown to cause a mini grenade like explosion able to knock a human into the air. In the same comic series a few heavy blaster rifles were able to punch through a six inch metal door. In canon a blaster rifle split a stone(some kind of rock) cliff in two. There were also disruptor rifles whicj disintegrated targets. At-At: Has the fire power to destroy a 90 meter transport ship, has shields(battleftont 2 their shields are impenetrable until their taken down) able to tank ground, and speeder based laser cannons(stronger than blaster cannons which are on par or stronger than hans blaster). Their armor had a tensile strength of 60,000- 130,000 psi. By the time palpatine was resurrected in legends at-ats used light turbolasers. Stormtrooper armor: in the 2nd edition sourcebook its stated that slug throwers ineffective against the weakest of modern armor(unless you have a 20mm, or enough blunt force trauma), and in tatooine ghost hypersonic rounds from tusken raiders bounced off stormtrooper armor. The empire had 3 adeptus astartes equivalents(SD9 battle droid, Dark troopers mark 2, and 3). Technically 5 but hazard, and zero g stormtroopers lack firepower. As well 6 adeptus sororitas equivalents in glory class dark troopers, juggernaut combat suit, oppressor-9, purge troopers(dark droid), phase 0 dark trooper, and oppressor-7 dark troopers. The republic had blaze tropers, and the droid army had the FLTCH battle droid. The real galactic threats were Abeloth, Vitiate, and the crimson forever virus.
40k allways struck me asbit of a parody on scifi in general, scifi has the trope of "around every corner is an even badder enemy/ an even more advanced alien empire and even bigger anomaly etc" and 40k took that and it didnt just turn it up to 11 it turned it up to 111. any major plotline in other scifi franchises would be anohter tuesday in 40k. startrek: the borg are here! starwars: space wizzards are attacking us! stargate: religious space priests are attacking and converting us! 40k: well theres several daemon invasions there, there and there, theres 3/4 of an ork waaaagh that way, the hive fleet is in that corner and some guardsmen did a fucky wucky and woke up a couple of tomb worlds all in all its a slow century, casualties have only increased by 15% oh crap, black crusade just hit.. casualties are now up by 120%
40k is like two kids playing a war on the playground "My army is made of 8ft tall super soldiers with automatic rpgs" "Well mine use mechanics with railgun that can destroy your guy." "Well my army has massive robots the size of skyscrapers" "Well mine has a giant amalgamation of scrap metal and self confidence called orkstompa" Just constant oh but my armys has ____ to 1 up eachother
disagree wh40 isn't about powerlevels. wh40k = 100% about suffer. from the start one of the most iconic character of wh40k I would say close to every1 it is first character about whomwe get information is literaly humans god Emperor and he is half dead it is basic info etc. every1 in wh40k suffer whole time. even necron who are overpowered who claim their own gods as a slaves even they are suffer nonstop.
@Miguel Ramos He is. But, the Emperor in 40K is a demi-god. I mean, any Primarch would rip Palpatine to shreds. Magnus wouldn't even have to think about it.
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky and Khorne goes straight for the Klingons. An interesting fight, although HEAVILY one-sided, would be the Borg Collective vs. the Necrons
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky all good. I didn't even get to the part where their BASIC TROOP WEAPON literally separated the molecular bonds of the target, quite literally de-atomising them.
D Garza a better question is "Are the Borg ever going to get a hold of Gauss weaponry?" OR "If they get their hands on Gauss weaponry, how quicky will the Deathmarks be deployed?"
Having been absolutely ADHD obsessed with each of these fandoms at some point I'd say the answer is quite easy: WH40K is actually a lot of fun for a PG-13+ audience. Halo & Star Wars appeal to younger G-PG aged fans and Star Trek a PG (now PG-13 from reboots? version of space travel where everyone talks and space battles are about a few 'pew pews'. WH40K gives me at least the (grim) dark insanity of everything is overwhelming and it's all as meaningful as you want it to be. The characters are caricatures and it's on purpose and beautiful because of it.
It's really not, 40k is by far the most childish out of all them, once you remove the gore and blood, all you get is spectacle, star trek has plenty of moral dilemmas, and starwars has a lot of very creative and very well made characters doing grappling with actions to take, 40k goes grimderp to the point where where orks aren't even allowed to be fun most the times because apparently dark humor takes away from the grimderp they want to sell
@@calebbarnhouse496your point being? While i agree that 40k has it's grimderp moments, comparing 40k's batshit insanity with star treks "moral dilemma" isn't even possible. 40k is dominated by the "rule of cool"
@@alperalyanak9627 maturity, 40k is more childish because it runs off having massive amounts of blood and life sucks, startrek at it's man being beat to death by a rubber alien and shoots him with a cannon made out of a log is more mature then the points where 40k trys to tell a story like there are real stakes
Warhammer 40k always wins because, from the ground up, it's built on this philosophy: "Nothing is OP, because literally everything is OP...therefore the galaxy is a terrible place to live." It's meant to be a universe where everything is on the verge of dying and needs to compensate by pushing their limits to the point that limits no longer exist. I mean, even in the fiction there's a whole realm where if a person believes hard enough, or has enough people to believe, they can make a deity or a powerful force that then acts upon the material world. You can literally belief you are invincible, therefore you will be invincible. It's a hellscape gothic space existential and body horror...everything is possible there
Still seem kinda small when it's only a galaxy, and ya got sci-fi stuff with guys making tech that can and sometimes does accidentally destroys a universe full of galaxies.
There's Lovecraft, in which all of reality is simply the dream of the blind idiot god Azatoth, and beings destroy entire galaxies without even noticing.
@@kulot-ki1tu with the difference, that a space marine with 0 limbs can still kill you by biting off one of your limbs or spit acid into your face (Dorn's kids not counting for the last one tho)
AND the most insane thing about all this is that every faction(aside from chaos) is currently in a weakened, decayed, or a remanent of their golden age. ALL OF THAT OVERPOWEREDNESS is not even 5% compared to the factions when in their prime. The Imperium had the Human federation which was approaching the inter-galactic level, the Eldar has the Aledari Empire, an empire that owned the 40k verse for 60 million years, and the Orks were once the Krork, a 12-meter tall, hyper-intelligent race with a complex society capable of everything the Ork can do, but better 10x in every way. The Necrons in their prime beat literal eldritch gods like the Old Ones and the C'tan, even fighting the Aledari Empire and krorks as well. You can honestly say that Chaos is actually the weakest faction as any of the other factions in their prime could beat its ass in every fight, the only reason Chaos is so dangerous is the corrupting ability and the warp that can always respawn them if they died, if a faction was able to take away/counter those two prime abilities, Chaos is boned beyond description.
The Tau are the only race that really advances technologically, because they have a fraction of the population of the other factions. They're only able to stand a chance because they have railguns as their default weapon
The Tyranids and the T'au would also be on their best time right now wouldn't they? I mean they can improve, but they are not the remnants of a glorious past, at least not yet
@@elalto3492 Tau are too young and not anywhere large enough to be considered in overall galactic threats. The Imperium can drown them in numbers, the necrons could turn them to atoms, they use AI and all sorts of corruptable tech, so chaos will fck them up, the Eldar would use them to oblivion, Orks don't even need a justification, Tyranids will eventually overrun the entire galaxy. I feel bad for the tau, they came into the galaxy when the galaxy is in it's twilight years, only a few millennia away from being destroyed.
@@elalto3492 But the Tau have two distinct advantages over the other races. First is that they have a very dim light in the warp which makes them near invisible for chaos and thus they have very little to fear from chaos. The second is that they are actually able to innovate and they innovate quickly. They have not yet reached the peak of their power, mainly because they are hemmed in by the imperium on one side and the orks on the other. The Tau are still in ascension while the peak has already passed for the other races. As for the nids, the nids aren't a civilized species, they have no technology and no culture. So saying they have some kind of golden age or some past or present glory is not really applicable here. They are intelliegnt, yes, but they don't think as the other races do. They are a 'merely' a hyperadvanced predator.
@@tranquilthoughts7233Well they aren’t civilized in the same way as the rest of the galaxy. They’re very clearly a hive mind intelligence that has no real need for culture or anything of the sort.
A good, simple phrase to explain the power levels in 40k comes from The Incredibles. Syndrome's quote "When everyone is super, no one will be," is the concept that what everyone in one universe would call overpowered, 40k would call normal or even WEAK.
Keep in mind... That the lasguns are the epitome of reliable weaponry. Easily manufactured and maintained to the point where every guardsman is issued one and can maintain it easily without much especialized tool, not to mention it's solar powered so you don't need to manufacture ammunition for it, no bullet dropoff and minimal to nonexistent recoil so any misses are mostly from human error, and the "projectile" can absolutely melt lightly armored targets. And it's considered a flashlight in 40k... Think about that.
@@jando5980 The power packs can be charged by leaving them out in the sun, all be it, slowly. They can also be charged in a fire, at a much faster rate, but it damages the life cycle of the power pack. These options means it is possible to change a Lasgun, in the field, so the out power, as long as you have time and sunlight. And emergency charge them in a fire if you have no Goethe choice. This last option is for emergencies only. When your fighting an endless, galaxy wide, war, such soft, logistic friendly features, are ignite more important then hard factors like the weapons power, range, etc. The Astartes have bolt guns, because they get a lot more resources per solider and there are a lot less of them, so they get the fancy RPG-grenade launcher hybrid, while the Imperial Guard get the “flashlight”. A weapon mocked for its low power, but is still powerful enough to blow fist sized holes clean through people in a single hit at long ranges. In any other setting, O.P. In Warhammer 40k? Laughably inadequate.
@@Erakius323 couldn't agree more with your statement. I think the "weak" reputation comes from tabletop. I'd add that the lasgun's most common target is probably humans, which it is probably very adequate for. Lots of civil war and heresy going on between the million worlds of the Imperium.
@@Dredrick”Q exists” And is essentially a Warp entity. You know how many ways there are to sever and nullify psychic and warp powers and kill a Pysker? Not to mention the fact that the Warp is perfunctorily malignant and would warp the Q into being Daemon Princes and Chaos Champions in service to the True Gods of the Ruinous Powers. Though I could totally see them being Tzeentch aligned regardless.
@@mrfigaloopierre9610hilariously wrong opinion, but have it anyway. The Federation would be crippled by the minor forces of Daemon spawn alone. They have no response for the Chaos Gods or the Warp.
@@SomaCruz500 Their weapons are better, their citizens are less vulnerable to chaos corruption, and they have a surprisingly amount of experience with unusual phenomena.
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Star Trek fans want to live in star trek.
Star Wars fans want to live in star wars.
40k fans DON'T want to live in 40k.
KommissarKek accurate
star trek is kinda good but fuck any other universe. I dont wanna live in a universe with a civil war happening everywhere or a war between ancient humans who are now robots. Or fucking 40k.
I would hate lo live in any of them
KommissarKek speak for yourself I want to be a space Marine
Unless you are either one, one of the Chaos gods or two, a daemon
Why? Cause For me and my brothers and sister, and fuck all you guys and your anathema, who once crashed a space hulk into one of my crystal gardens
Warhammer 40k is like the cartoon were two guys keep pulling out bigger guns and it never ends.
tottaly disagree warhammer 40k isn't about who is stronger. I would say we from the start know a lot about some characters who are over any powerlimits, about gods etc. warhammer 40k main theme is - suffer. it doesn't metter who you are - you will suffer non stop. even primarhson of living god. the normal people litteraly belive that primarh is gods - and still the suffer. the whole races are suffering always close to be destroyed the suffer. even necrons who are race of soulless robots who are overpowered in wh40k universe and the race who killed or slaved their own gods - they are suffering. I would say I do not remmember any big victory in wh40k at all. yes you can win a battle or something like that . even stoping horus herecy doesn't feel like victory at all. every victory more looks like just like complete 1 task at the work . Even Kadia. yes for imperial it is a lost. but for chaos is it victory? it is like more 1rst step. and for some people Kadia fall - make some of them stronger
@ancient wizard *pulls out bigger gun*
@@ancientwizard3055
Human: Dying for the emperor isn't suffering.
Nurgling: These blessings aren't suffering.
Tyrannid: Planet taste good
Orc: War fun, haw haw haw haw!
Drukhari: What is the difference between suffering and pleasure?
T'au: What do you mean "suffering"? I don't know what that is.
@@manictiger human - when you are 100% loyal and mister inqusitor think that there is a small chanse that you are not loyal, and arrest you and start torture and asking a question about things that you didn't know that even exist. like warp chaos, magic. ye man it is suffering.
cult mechanicus who degenerate so hard that toaster become great thing at the same time while you are traveling on the huge planet size ship and deep inside you u understand how stupied you are compare to pre horus eresy mechanicus.
@@manictiger chopped on half tau can feel suffer.
orc who wasn't fighting like for a month I said a 1 YEAR WITHOUT GREAT WAAGH.
Drukhari: we just killed our last slave and white scar is hunting us on the web sad face.
*How do you travel the universe?*
Star Trek: We use warp speed
Star Wars: We use hyperspace
Halo: We use slipspace
Warhammer 40K: We go through hell
The tyranids use magnetism to bend reality.
Minecraft: We go through hell too
Doom: You guys too?
TheVerendus warhammer was inspired by minecraft confirmed
Doctor who: We use tardises and the time vortex
As far as other factions being just as powerful, I love the fact that the primary weakness of the Necrons is that theyre too petty to work together, and as such are preoccupied with 65 million year old feuds between leaders
No, that is not their primary weakness. Their primary weakness is that the vast majority of them are still asleep. If all of them woke up the next day, the tyranids are no longer the scariest thing around.
@@Rurik_Luci At least you have a chance of negotiating with a Necron.
the imperium has same problem
@@chigchong2805 Nah they have way better cohesion compared to the Necrons, because it actually exists somewhere beneath the beuracracy, machinery, and blood unlike the Necrons.
@@concept5631 ig but they are all spererated with civil skirmishes often breaking out while its to an lesser degree i still think the imperium has the same problem.
Stars wars: Sir we lost over 40000 people in this massive battle. we need to retreat
40k: only 3 billion losses for one small moon, lets add 3 more for good measure
Life is so cheap in 40k that I can actually buy _"lets risk throwing another 3 billion into the meat grinder just to be sure"_ as a viable military tactic.
@@kana22693 When in doubt, drown them in a sea of peasant blood.
Only three? I smell heresy...
And yet, there are plenty of military organisations in Star Wars that are far larger than 40k. Just in the core films alone, we have the Galactic Empire and the Separatist Droid Army, which are larger on an order of magnitude.
70 million casualties
HAH THAT'S A ROOKIE NUMBER
Funny story about Orks
A group of guardsmen and their commisar are holding out against a wave of orks, and eventually they run out of power packs for their lasguns. Unfased, the commisar picks up a guardsman's weapon, points it at an oncoming ork, yells "BANG!", and the ork falls dead. Amazed, the guardsmen follow suit, orks falling left and right. A few minutes later, a group of orks come running towards the position, not dropping to the men's loudest 'bang's; only when they get closer do the guardsmen hear them chanting "I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank!".
OJNixon w-w whahahababababababahahahahahahahhahahahahahha Jeeeezzzzzzummm
OJNixon
Please tell me this is cannon
It would seem that the only way to defeat an Ork is to play on their level
Orks are the ultimate example of the power of belief
NGMK it could well be. belief is power in the warp and no other species demonstrates that bettar than the orkz
He ain't joking when he said every other race is overpowered because there's a race called Necrons and they use gods as double AA batteries and they supernova suns for fun
Not really that powerful although the comedic content of your comment is respectable 😂
@@detonater7441 HERESY!............. wait a min
Imagine if there were as many marines as guardsmen no one could stop the imperium
the prometheans from halo are essentially necron lychguard but you get to feel how annoying and near unkillable they are
@@HighSchoolHacks1 just weaker versions of necrons essentially
The easiest way is to say "The Scale". In Star Wars, the Star Destroyer is the mainline Battleship. It would be a Cruiser in 40k. The Super Star Destroyer that is the OP Dreadnaught is the size of standard Battleships in 40k.
Which is a shame for 40k, because they really aren't producing a lot of cruisers anymore.
40k has space hulks which are so massive they generate their own gravity and even have their own atmosphere
An Imperial II Star Destroyer is the size of an Imperial (40k) heavy frigate at 1.6km long. Super Star Destroyers like the Executor-class are actually twice the length of an Imperial battleship.
@@AGrumpyPanda depends on the battleship and the source between 8km to 10km-15km and the bigger battleship class the Gloriana class battleship is around 20km, the biggest battleship of that class is 26km in lenght and it´s the Macragge's Honor The current flagship of the Ultramarine Primarch ,Roboute Guilliman
@@deathtrooper7760the cast vast vast majority of them are on the lower end, and those that are on the higher side aren't really any better, becayse they run into a simple problem, 99% of there guns are on there sides, so if they want to shoot something they have to spend 40 years turning to get a shot off, in which case basically any ship of any size class could have just fled the battlefield in the time it takes to line up a kill shot
As a counterpoint, if a space marine tried to board a Star Trek or Star Wars ship they'd just be stuck in a tiny hallway.
They probably get stuck in a door not the hallway
if the hallway or door is too small, they rip open a dozen new doors and shoot anything in sight
Send in the kriegsmen
I dont know why, but I'm just imagining an astartes "Austin Powers"ing himself lol
@@rz7282 AVENGE ME BROTHER!!
Its hard to beat a universe that is balanced through an arm's race between each of the writers favorite armies
Not particularly, WH40k is low mid tier
@sneedfeedandseed2410ragon would do horrible, a psyker just needs to rupture the heart of a Saiyan or the blood vessels in their head
Because the point of 40k is that no one faction has any actual advantage.
@@detonater7441the warp.
That is literally how it started out.
When a planet busting event happens:
In any sci-fi universe… The inhabitants break before the planet does.
In 40 K, the planet breaks before the defenders do.
Cadia still stands in our hearts
@@kilmindaro3 noo, stop, im gonna cry ; - ;
*cries in cadian
The 42th Guardian regiment of the Kyros system (my own army, nerdy I know but meh!) will honor the memory of Cadia and HOLD THE LINE!
The planet broke before the guard.
A star wars laser rifle equivalent in 40k, the lasgun is seen as a flashlight relative to the threats they face, that just goes to show the scale
A lasgun can blow a person's head apart with a single shot too
@@M4421-Oif i recall, it also NEVER JAMS (although i could be wrong).
@@spudnik4305 They're Very reliable. But not infallable. You can drag them through mud, muck, sand, and still fire just fine. But sometimes the machine spirit gets testy and you lose the magazine's charge.
a star wars blaster is not a laser weapon. ;)
No, the Lasgun is similar in power to an autogun, and star wars lasers are more powerful than that.
Starwars: Open your mind and feel the force around you WarHammer40K: “and open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded”
the force is magic, and magic is heresy
Nice quote there from the 40k rules book.
Neutral View aha ty bro
Hey! Dawn of War's librarian says it too!
Open your mind with the fist of a space marine
Necrons: ancient, soulless robots who destroyed their gods and now use them as pokemon
That's the best description I've ever heard! 😂😂
True! play dawn of war soul storm you will know why
@@johnwillies7861 the necrons in that game are insanely strong. Just... free construction bots, free infantry and you can mass resurrect them forever. Like, I had a game where I got to have 40 full squads of necron warriors.
And kind of immortal
@@picklesandnori
With enough buffs and effects they will not go down easily and they will not stay down when they do.
The philosophy of 40K is “If everything overpowered, nothing is overpowered”
Except if it's the Ultramarines.
DOTA balancing is this supposedly
exc for the poor poor ig
"when everyone is super, no now will be"
And that’s f*cking true !!!
My favorite shorthand way to describe why space marines are nuts: “Something that big shouldn’t move that fast.”
"Long time ago, galaxy far far away"/"Space, the final frontier" vs.
*In the grim darkness of the far future, THERE IS ONLY WAR*
WH40k is military by its genre. SW and ST are not
Starcraft?!
@@jasonarthur5487 Start Trek. Starcraft is ussualy shortened to SC
Starship Troopers Force in form of scenario Where both start on opposite side of galaxi with 100 starting planets can win, by faster and bether FTL, progresiv technology (can produce same byg power armor), fast colonization. In short is Starship Troopers universe like what been before fall of technology.
@@iglidor Everyone in the Star Trek universe is a fucking pushover, bunch of heretics
It's a never-ending cycle of "that's way too stro- oh no, it's dead" - best 40k summary ever!
Castigator Titan : it's the most powerful Titan in the history of mankind and all other titans are mere cheap copies of it- oh and a small squad of gray knights killed it
@@karvenman To be fair, the Gray Knights are no slouches by any sense. There's what, 1 chapter of Gray Knights, and they do a good bit of work for fighting all of Chaos corruption within the Imperium. To say nothing of their Chapter Lord, whose name I forget (forgive the heresy), who's been grinding demons in the Warp by himself for the past couple centuries.
@@panther-nk2hn yeah but at the same time, if they wanted to kill it, they should have used an actually impressive force and not just a small squad of gray knights.
They could have Kaldor Draigo pop in for a short amount of time, or maybe necrons and their doomsday weapons, or the Eldar and whatever big ass weapons they have.
All the writers had to do was use an impressive force and the death of the castigator Titan would have been fine
@@panther-nk2hnahhh, good old Kaldor Draigo, Commander of the Ordo Draigo.
@@karvenman Yeah, that's why getting a demon to posses you is a straight downgrade.
"Librarians can project visions of an enemies worst fears"
Darth Vader: Sand...SAND EVERYWHERE!!!!!
Vader: I've got sand, in my NOOOOOOOOOOSE
It’s corse and rough and irritating.
Librarian is standing on the high ground.
@@許進曾 Librarian IS the high ground
But my high ground!!!
Nerdy point on accuracy, the bolter fires a round out the barrel first which then ignites a charge and continues accelerating. So it's technically still a gun, just one that fires highly specialised rounds.
gyrojett be like
@@deadoger2934 mixture of both
It's called a rocket assisted projectile, he use them in artillery guns.
The round then explodes when it hits the target, which is why it's more like a rocket
@@nolanmcintire831 Default bolter shells are fused to explode inside the target, on on contact. The goal being to blow open a big crater in the target.
By his estimate, there are are 50 trillion guardsmen.
Most call that overkill, 40k calls it inadequate
yeah I think that that estimate because most hive worlds have a few hundred billion inhabitants, not 6 XD
Well. There's worlds with many many billions people. So you'd have even a billion guardsmen right there. But also not every planet has even 50K guardsmen. But most would ans it would. Be in the vast millions at the very least. So it's closer to 500 trillion.
"Most of you will die, but this is a sacrifice I am willing to make"
That number seems low for some reason
@@kriss3d Armatura alone had a garrison of 1 billion guardsmen.
In Star Wars Clone War was the largest conflict in millenia...
In Warhammer 40k the call it "Tuesday".
Then doctor who comes in with the time war and makes both franchises look insignificant when it comes to war
Imagine mondays
@@rosesarered675 not well versed in Doctor Who lore, but please, do tell me the details of the Time War.
@@rosesarered675 lol the War in Heaven would have a word with you
😂👍
6:04
"You could take a heavy bolter, which is like a bolter but heavier."
-KiriothTV
Malivamar and able to purge Xenos in more explosions
A bolter can punch through most shields in Halo in two or less bullets. Imagine what an Assault Cannon will do.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 when the prototype mjolnir shield took an inderect blow from a 120mm superheavy antiarmor missile, this shield being several times worse than the gen1 mjolnir standard shields, which in turn are 'exponentially worse' than mjolnir gen2 shielding. That is to say: more like 150 boltors off of KE alone for gen1 mjolnir, maybe 50 or 60 including explosive. And again, gen2 is "exponentially" better shielded than even that.
@@thesocialistsarecoming8565 Would you like to see an assault cannon rip that to shreds too? Bigger caliber, 400 round mag. Those shields can't hold out against something with a high rate of fire and massive caliber plus little to no recoil.
@@kevinyasutomi9790 OK, and? I said the shield was about 150x more durable than what you implied minimum, not that its on par with a heavy vehicles durability. As for how well it'd hold up against an assault cannon, depends on actual caliber and rate of fire. If you can give me the actual calibre and fire rate i can do some basic, rough, translation from terms of .75 at 2x SOS to whatever the assault cannon would do. With fire rate i could then give a rough guess of how long it would last. Also, how long would a SM stand up under an assault cannon out of curiosity? My money's on the shields over the SM tbh.
I would add that from a storywriting perspective, 40k really benefits from being set in a 'fallen' or 'post-peak' universe: Each faction (minus the Tau) there *was* much stronger in the distant past, but lives on as a shadow of its former glory. This gives stories two major advantages: you can pull a superweapon into the plot with an easy justification ("ancient archaeotech weapon that was long-forgotten and just recently rediscovered") and just as quickly write it out of any future stories ("It broke and we don't have the schematics/It got possessed by a Daemon/AdMech filed it away on a Forge world for 5,000 years of study before they might let you have it back").
Even when the writers don't explicitly write those explanations in, it lets readers seamlessly fill in the blanks themselves. By comparison, in almost all of the other sci-fi universes mentioned, it's hard to explain why the protagonists (or antagonists) suddenly got their hands on some superweapon/near-magic tech. "How did Scotty/the Empire/ONI just suddenly *have* this technology? When/how did they develop it? Why wasn't it used earlier? Why doesn't it show up in later stories set in this universe?"
This helps paper over some of the lore inconsistencies in 40k (and there's quite a few...) and other writing errors, making the universe as a whole feel more believable despite the comedically over-the-top nature of the setting.
“Hey what happened to that ancient spaceship that used time travel as a weapon?”
“I think it just kinda dipped out of the galaxy.”
Honestly the Primaris are the funniest example of that. In any other universe an improvement of the already superhuman soldiers would come from new technological developments. Imperium? They had whole caches of these guys sitting on ice for thousands of years since the Imperium's Golden Age until Big G would wake up and give them their marching orders.
To compare it to Halo this isn't the Spartans being created, this is the Didact returning and bringing the Prometheans with him or the Protoss awakening Spear of Adun and then warriors sleeping on it.
It doesn't help in my opinion. Because if it was as useful as its supposed to be, surely it would be a top priority to find and recover.
Like imagine the Death Star just went missing one day. Don't you think that the Empire would be expending every resource to try to find the thing? Because the obvious implication is "oh shit this can and probably will be used against us".
@@OtterTreySSArmy
Yeah, but if the Cog Boys took it to study for 5 thousand years, you can't exactly tell them what to do.
I mean, what are you gonna do, tell the guys that equip their soldiers with radioactive weapons and lobotomize *trillions* of their own kind, vat grown or otherwise, that 'No, you cannot take this superweapon apart, we need it to kill shit even deader than before'?
Halo and Star Wars have reasons Star Wars : long ago in a galaxy far away not much explanation necessary maybe there is but I’m not very well versed in starwars lore. But halo I think makes sense a lot of the technology they have is currently in very early stages of development and the stuff we don’t have is usually from some other explanation like the for runners. Like where do you think the halos came from? The devices that can wipe out all life in a very very huge area as a last resort to kill the flood.
Star wars: the planet has been overun, we need to retreat.
Imperium: hehe exterminatus goes *VROOOOOM*
Exterminatus is a very serious process that is thoroughly considered and will be in application only if the planet is considered irredeemable and regaining will cost more than what it is worth
@@random40kfan57 inqusitors be like: wanna see me press this button again? and again?
@@gergokerekes4550 space wolves be life wanna get a 1v1 rematch
Throw a few billion guardsmen at it, then call it a loss. Gotta be sure.
i am your 666th like
Stormtrooper: *misses*
Imperial Guardsmen: *dies anyway*
Honestly I don't think a stormtroopers blaster would do much to a guardsman, their armor and weapons are only shit by the standards of 40k, to everything else their gear is actually really good.
@@Nyghtking their general armour is a slab of layered armour and a steel helmet, even modern ceramics are better protection than that even against lasers.
Imperial Guards Lasgun/flashlight has current modern day MBT devestation power.. its just everything else there is OP
@@LoneWulfHunter if a lasgun hit like an MBT, you do understand that itd be the boltors being used by regular ground troops right? At that kind of power based on sheer thrust to weight ratios, a Space marine taking a torso shot from a lasgun would go flying several dozen meters like a small car being slammed by a flat nose m1a1 sabot, what your describing is some midling between a lasgun and a lascannon (lascannon is over a 100 megawatt laser, a.k.a. the sheer impact of the laser is a minimum of about 17 modern hand grenades detonating in a single spot similtaneously). Based purely on power consumption when being charged (few hours in fire, a few more in sunlight) a lasgun is in the watt to kilowatt range, or about 1,000 - 10,000 ish times weaker per pulse than a lascannon. The reason things explode when hit by it is that its almost definitely tuned harmonically to water (think of a microwave oven) and thus causes small steam explosions on damp, fleshy, or wet targets. Hence why it rips off unprotected limbs andmoccasionally (not always) detonates on terrain.
@Chaz Hagen lasers are by yheir very nature a beam of high energy electrons that have matched or exceeded the speed of light and are now travelli jg in a superimposed band of particles that also behaves like a wave. Quantum theory 101, light has mass.
40k is just the dark souls “YOU DIED” screen indefinitely
Or the Finish Him screen of MK
Oh God that's perfect
I want Dark Souls kind of game but in 40K.
I fuckin want it
Yup
@@masterzoroark6664 Not happening, buddy. Don't get your hopes up.
As one honorable space marine once said: "Abandon reason, know only war." That pretty much sums up the whole point.
I think I speak for the other imperial guard players, if we can not kill our enemies, we will drown them in our blood.
Death Korps of Krieg Soldier: "Did somebody say die for the Emperor?!" *fixes bayonet*
Well, you know. If clogging the meat grinder is all you got.
I PREFER ARTILLERY SHELLS.
"BY THE EMPEROR, They are numberless... But so are we, CHARGE!"
Ah yes, glorious Imperial Guard tactics, throw men, ammunition and material at the problem in copious amounts until the problem either disappears or you need something more powerful to make it disappear.
Short answer: The original concept of 40k was born in the 80's, a time where hyper-violence and exageration was big in the media. 40k always wins because it is unapologetically absurd, exagerated to the extreme, and revels in every single moment.
Also, Waaaaagh.
waaaaaagh indeed
Get the flamer. *THE. HEAVY. FLAMER.*
And thats why its sooooo gooooooooooood uhmmmmm
My idea of Warhammer 40K is like the quantum physics in particles, but reversed.
You test it and looks like a wave, with photons acting like being in two quantum states at the same time (makes no sense), but measure it and bam! It is a particle, with definite quantum state.
Imperium of Man, however, is finite and limited. It has a finite power and a finite territory, which does not overlap with the other races and can, maybe, even lose to them. However, measure it and bam! It is suddenly infinite and uncertain, it makes no sense. Where does their power end? Where does their galactic control end? It cannot be infinite because there are other races out there that are even more powerful than they are, but you look at it and the Imperium of Man is *just imesurable.*
The number of individual space marines (and only them, not even counting guards and shit) is higher than the total count of quantum particles in the universe. Makes sense? Not at all, it just is.
How can the universe even support such insane living power? It can't.
It just is.
How can a single space marine with barely no magical power be so fucking powerful (like, *infinitely* powerful) yet die so easily (because the enemies are *infinitely* powerful too)? They can't.
It just is.
It is the joke.
*_It just is._*
The Emperor Of Man hey a fellow Russian badger fan.
Orks : gets force choked by a sith.
Other Orks : " If wez just hol' hand like such, wez can chokes people."
Rip the entirety of the galaxy
@Johan Åkesson SO05b just make sure other orks believe that
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?
I really wish that there was a "lol" reaction to this comment. Best thing I've read in ages!
Oh dear god, you just created orks with the force
In other settings killing entire planets is relatively rare. Where as killing planets happens on the regular in 40k.
Not nearly as common in 40k's canon as its fans pretend it is. If it were, the Imperium would have run out of planets thousands of years ago.
No it doesn't but sure I guess.
Why Warhammer 40k always win you say?
*Because its the Emperor's will and anything else is pure heresy.*
Xeelee sequence.
Just try throwing your Battle incantations at the god-like race called the Xeelee.
The EMPEROR protects!
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 While we are going at it, why not include the Grey Goo from the flash game Tasty Planet?
The fabric of reality also became Its meal.
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 The most powerful feats the Grey Goo has shown is from Tasty Planet: Back for seconds where it literally devoured Everything but stops at the turtles of time.
What about Galactus highest feats without his herald's?
Well, it seems that I have just enough fire to purge this heresy
There's one category that Warhammer40k loses in pretty spectacularly in against all the others:
Which universe would be the most pleasant to live in?
IoM's Paradise and Pleasure worlds would want a word with you.
And average troop quality tactics wise
@@juliancalero8012 um, they do have good tactics and strategy. It's just a stereotype that IG is a meatwave. Sometimes they are because, necrons for example don't give a damn about your tactics.
@@t.va.6611 ikr
@@t.va.6611 Necrons:Are most common and least sophisticated small arms can shred your heaviest tank, because fuck you that's why.
And a Necron with a sniper is a literal portable halo ring.
To quote Bricky
If Space Marine is a super soldier and Grey Knights is super super soldier, then Custodies is the soldiers that call Space Marine cute.
Literally.
A custodes to a space marine is what a space marine is to a normal man
@@crinjal_mrp IT was
Why 40k wins:
Blue is the luckiest colour.
Gold plated banana.
2 important things to also consider is every legion of marines have special genes that make them near immune to disease/ poison, or have werewolf genes that make them extreme hunters.
The 2nd is the brain implants that speed up their brain functions so they can process information and think at super speed
Clone wars: Oh the horror, hundreds of billions are dead!
The Imperium of Man: Those are rookie numbers! Gotta get those numbers up!
Yuuzhan vong war mate. Over 300 trillion dead in four years.
MyDuck IsOnQauck a normal day in the imperium as well
@@voxpopuli7910 I can't believe that this isn't a lie.
It's not a fudgin lie... Why is this not a fudging lie?!
@@danielawesome36 he is joking, not even the horus heresy had that many casualties
@@myduckisonqauck7227 yeh but the heresy was mainly between astartes and was a lot shorter than the zuuzhan vong invasion
SW: "We have AT-AT's."
40K: "We have churches that walk."
SW: "What?!"
40K: "what?"
“This walker has 4 turbo laser cannons, armor capable of shrugging off fighter weaponry, and space for several dozen troopers.”
“So a light patrol vehicle then?”
*cough* apocalypse class titan was able to be seen from orbit *cough*
@@mekhane.broken9678 because they destroyed the darn computers that had the information in them.
Going from automated design to paper sounds disastrous lol
Yeah. They destroyed the computers tho because they were afraid that chaos would corrupt it and steal the information and tech written inside (not the whole story but from what i surmise)
@@mekhane.broken9678 but then someone would have to know all of the schematics of the titian (i think thats what they are called)
there is only so much someone can see on paper or on stone.
you know in the height of the imperium, the factories could probably pump those titans out in a week, or maybe a month
Well you see, in Warhammer, people ride in tanks just to go up to other tanks, and hit them with a sword.
This made me lol so much. Its so true.
Get closer I want to hit them with my sword.
Yep it's style lol
Oh and great comment
@@boneythelynx8884 yeah it was a funny meme too. XD
"I can't slice the shit out of you without getting closer."
In other scifi, certain tech tends to be nerfed in some way to keep it from being too overpowered. But sometimes the writers might add something else even more powerful, or the same thing but without the nerf. If left unchecked, you might lose a sense of scale for just how powerful the things in that universe really are.
WH40k is what happens when everything starts off way too OP because powercreep is the name of the game.
Also that's somewhat because most sci-fi settings take place like 200-500 years in the future at most, 40K on the other hand... Yeah
Actually, 40k is reversed powercreep.
EVERY factions (Except Tau), is long past their prime or golden age. Nercon used to rule the universe for 60 MILLIONS years. Gods were so scared of them that they had to trick them to give up their body. Orc which is the second most powerful faction right now was once highly intelligent while physically stronger than they are now. Tyranids are literally the Floor in Halo but actually won. It is rumors that outside of the Imperium, there are nothing but Tyranids and Orcs left.
Hack, even human are long past their golden age. ALL of human technology were invented back in the "Dark Age of Humanity". In 40k, there was no working competed STC (Standard Template Construct) anymore. They are usually technology that were decoded from pieces of this database. During Age of Technology, EVERY human group of colonists have one of these machine that are able to produce anything and everything. A machine that contain all of human knowledge. AI work side by side with human and ploit interstellar ships through warp. Current Imperium of Men, which is already more overpowered than all their other Sci-Fi setting, is not even 1% of a 1% of Human used to be.
Tau is the only exception (Maybe Tyranids too but little is known about them). They are still at the infancy and yet to reach their golden age. But other than them, everyone are "nerfed" to the ground in 40K compared to what the faction once was.
@@ghosthin3012its powercreep in terms of each new lore development, which usually goes backwards in time
That’s absolute truth!
The only “plot nerfs” which are existing in 40K are towards some of the Necrons, because they are technically the most op race in the galaxy who has quantum computers instead of their brains and use fragments of space gods as powerbanks/pokemons, so their leaders forced to be either insane or not being interested in fighting towards most other races.
The another one is Magnus the Red after Horus Heresy, who is technically capable of wiping out entire armies by force of single spell, or can blow gigantic titans with mind bolts. But in that case any conflict won’t be interesting with him participating in it, so there is a lot of weird stuff is going on with any plot connected to him…
Warhammer 40K always wins because 40K can't survive 40K.
The worst enemy of 40k is 40k itself
Peasant oh I hate tau, and I hate the tyranids, and I hate the imperium of man, damn the imperium of man... they ruined the imperium of man
@@mrginge143 The imperium of man is an absolute shithole, not even taken into account the constant threat of other xenos races. -No wonder why so many people join fucking CHAOS!-
-And looking closer, there's literally no setbacks for joining chaos, apart from horrible mutations, hideous diseases, getting fucking MURDERING CRAZY!! and probably getting assraped with a chainsword, but you'll enjoy it anyways-
Hehe, but of course is better to die in the light of the EMPRAH than to give in to the ruinous powers of KHEYOSS!! -Can I go now, inquisitor?-
@@elijahmanaghaya6038 Dude, a single xeelee would nuke the entirety of WH40K.
A bunch of Xeelee nightfighters would destroy the chaos gods.
Time travel is too OP for WH40k to deal with.
That's a sad reality of 40k
Give it few thousand years and they will collapse under pressure of many xeno scum
Star Wars: *Billions Dead*
Imperium of Man: *PUMP THOSE ROOKIE NUMBERS KID!*
If imperiums high command hears a message "we lost billions" they are just going to shoot the messenger for wasting their time with such trivial info. Even trillions are not worth mentioning
@@Jebu911 thats sad,ridiculous,horrible,and awesome at the same time
the BIGGEST war in star wars legends had a death toll of 300+ trillion. that still doesn't compare tho
Wow is human population in 40k really that big? real question
@@alyrafsanjani6928 Some planets have a population of 2 trillion people and imperium has over a million planets so the numbers add up pretty big in the end. altho smaller planets have only 100billion people in them
You know how in Rise of Skywalker, when we find out that Palpatine has made a fleet of Star Destroyers that can each destroy a planet? And remember how everyone thought that that was way over the top and stupid? In the 40k universe, it's not just a reasonable idea, it's the Imperium's main fleet.
That's not even the main fleet. That's a small scouting party.
This is what got me into 40k
The problem of that fleet is that it just renders the Death Star as a stupid little ball, the fleet is bullshit in the context of Star wars
It is just a regular fleet
Last time I remember, the imperium of man only need 1 ship to destroy a planet, the rest of the ship are just escort fleet.
TBH just listening to the description of the Space Marines and the world of 40K excites me. The most awesome and ridiculous sci-fi lore EVER! Even the frickin LIBRARIAN is insanely powerful!
Are you not familiar with 40k?
How about the chaplain?
A space marine in full black armor and a skull-styled helmet, with only the shoulderpad bearing the chapter heraldy and colors, that carries a power mace/truncheon/scepter, that is responsible for checking if every space marine in the chapter is devoted to the Imperium and to the God Emperor, and that smashes the face of those who show chaos taint on the spot.
Storm Trooper; "We have a death star"
Imperial Inquisitor; "That's cute"
Orks Moon Ships from War of the Beast < Da boyz coming>
40K: Kills stars.
You do know that star destroyers can also execute something similar to exterminatus i.e. orbital bombing
@@matejperec6495 so why was the Death Star such a huge deal - if so many ships could destroy planets? If it was so common, why did Obi-Wan freak out when Alderan was destroyed - if it happened before? The whole reaction to the Death Star disproves your comment. All of that was added later.
@@GKinslayer To be fair, ther eis quite a bit of difference. A fleet of star destroyers can purge the surface of a planet with extended orbital bombardment, but that's somewhat easy to contend with. Your planetary shields can hold back their weapons while your orbital defences fight them off. Even if the star destroyers are in orbit unopposed it'll take them some time to wipe the planet, and the planet itself will still be there after it just lacking any life.
The death star can turn a planet into an asteroid field, at range, with little to no warning. No time to evacuate, no options for defence, and very little to return to after the event. That's why it was such a big deal.
And just because it could happen, doesn't mean it was common. Even in 40k Exterminatus wasn't common. The ability is there if and when it's needed, but it really is a last resort.
40k quote: "For every planet that falls, ten more are brought into the fold. FEAR US! For WE count the lives of planets NOT men!" - Imperial Inquisitor while ordering an exterminatus
wipe out whole sector because you can.
Cept, nowadays, it's the other way around - for every planet brought into the fold, ten more fall. They're losing the Imperium, sacrifice by sacrifice.
(And then came 8th edition and the galaxy exploded.)
And people wonder why I stopped caring with 5E.
Yeah, ten more are brought into the fold if you count the Rogue Traders mischieviously gallivanting around and fucking shit up in the galactic fringes while making a fortune from which the Imperium at large likely sees about 0,1 percent of.
Heehehe. I love Rogue Traders.
The Imperium is so huge, they themselves don't know how huge they are :D
Even how 40k does FTL is absolutely mental. Whereas all the other sci fi stuff has some reasonable 'scientific' way of explaining warping from one point to another, 40k literally goes through space hell.
There's also one thing I like about the orks that you don't see anywhere else. I read somewhere that a guardsman managed to steal an ork's gun. When he tried to pull the trigger, it wouldn't fire. When the ork got his gun back, the gun started shooting again. You can give an ork a metal pipe and tell it that its a gun and if he believes its a gun, that pipe will start shooting out bullets.
Let's put it this way: if you sick even the mildest Ork WAAAGH!!! on any other universe (unless it's like Forerunner-era Halo, then you need a proppa WAAAGH!!!) is going to be a bad time for anyone not an Ork. Each one of those reality-warping fuckers generate their own 'WAAAGH!!! field', meaning they're generating their own 'Warp' wherever they go *simply by existing.* The 40k universe is pretty much the only place I can think of where Orks aren't 'OP plz nerf'-tier compared to everything else.
When you really think about stuff like that, it makes WH40k seem all that more bat-shit crazy and insanely awesome at the same time.
OUR IP CAN'T REPEL OP OF THAT MAGNITUDE!
Internet Zen Master But it also works the other way around, you can hold a flashlight and if the Orks believe it to be a gun, perhaps a lasgun, it will kill them. Humans can also tap into that WAAGH energy if they spend enough time around orks. This is particularly shown by a group of gardsmen that they have hunted Orks on their planet of centuries. The WAAGH field is stronger the more orks there are. Many of their weapons work based on the belief that they will work. What's worse is that different colors have different effects on things due to WAGH energy. Yellow= Bigger boom. Red=Faster. Green=better hidin. Ect. You also have to deal with the fact that if an Ork makes it to your planet, you almost have to glass the planet to prevent more orks. See, when an Ork dies it releases spores that GROW MORE ORKS. Many orks have a natural affinity for technology. Ect. The orks are descendants of the Morks which were MADE by the Old ones to fight the war in heaven. They were designed to fight a war where they are outmatched and win! They won't grow tired of combat, in fact, its the opposite. They revel in it. There are accounts of at least on two seperate occasions a ork WAGH making it to the Sol system and nearly destroying Holy Terra itself! The first time the Emperor himself had to step in to stop it. The second one was very interesting lore wise, for you see, they didnt have a single Warboss but an oligarchy of 16 warbosses working together so that their wagh would never fall. It took a primearch DIEING just to kill ONE of the 16 warbosses. They had mobile bases the size of moons that could teleport across the galaxy and end worlds. They had hundreds of those things and parked one above Terra for awhile. In the end, the Orks decided that the Imperium wasn't as fun to fight as something they discovered outside the 40k galaxy itself! So they just up and left! That's the power of the orks for you. P. s. Very rarely does any of them fall to Chaos. Turns out their WAGH energy actually dampens the powers of kaos depending on who you talk to. There are also Ork psykers though those are few and far between and shunned by Orks. XD
i heard the Imperium took apart an Ork vehicle once, the "engine" was a box with the word engine written on it, possibly misspelled
2 years late but I think the better comparison is finding a guard regiment dedicated to the topic in question. Space Marines are the "poster child" because GW wants them to sell, but for each space marine battle the guard has fought on hundreds more battle fields across the galaxy. Now to admit my bias, I play guard and I love all the random lore. However, Cadia is the gold standard model and a single planet housing a regiment is the exception not the rule. Cadia, Catachan, Armageddon, Vostroya, Valhalla, Krieg, Atilla, Tallaran, and too many more are not the standard of 40k. In general we should and can divide them into: Fuedal, Penal, specialist, and "standard" (not this is how I like to break down legions it's not really official)
Fuedal legions are legions drawn up from worlds which have regressed to resemble the fuedal era of humanity though some retain stronger weapons such as the laslock. They tend to be a bit smaller when drawn from a single world.
Penal legions are legions drawn up from a variety of worlds and have criminals who were too bad to return to society but not totally irredeemable (think repentia from the sisters of battle)
Specialist legions are ones like Krieg, Armageddon, Catachan, and Tallaran specialize in siege, mechanized, jungle, and desert/ambush warfare respectively. These tend to be from a single world though that is not always the case.
"Standard" refers to legions that are close to Cadia but have one or two special characteristic. From being pricks to having an armor or weapon that's only produced on their home world. They may deploy independently or may be a model that's exported to a system or systems. These could be culturally distinct groups, groups that are drawn from gangs, groups that carry unique armors, groups with unique weapons, etc. etc. Additionally they may be entire regiments (which would have to be reduced in size given the size of a 40k regiment) or could be mixed together.
How 40k treats the guard is incredibly strange. They are the punching bag of every action, yet they still appear everywhere. Like ants where there is one there's dozens and where a threat appears they fight even if there are no chances of survival. Even when space marines run, when the enemy is mowing them down, and when the planet breaks below their feet. The guard has held the line for 10 thousand years, and they shall continue to hold the line.
The planet broke before the guard did, Cadia Stands!
That quote alone explains 40k
"That's way too strong-oh no it's dead"
15:11 gosh its so right
It's a beautiful quote that sums it up so perfectly
FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS
You'd be surprised what not only optimus prime can do in 40k but the average cybertronian big or small
Before we talk about Cybertron optimus we must talk about optimus in General transformers has (had its weird)multiversal constants to some degree certain laws that govern transformers lore apply on a multiversal level let's break down a few
1)primus and the matrix:primus as stated is a multiversal lvl primordial god of order good and creation compare this to the parasyte gods of 40k who are a measly galactic(universal at best in case of khorne tseench with his shards gork and mork)now what the matrix does is create a direct link between the Prime possessing It and all previous primes this includes primus himself and can release his energy now that is mostly useless unless used against Unicron the primordial god of chaos basically optimus any point can just pull up to the warp open up the matrix and PURGE the entire warp of chaos bye bye chaos gods
2): cybertronian anatomy:unlike what first impressions would lead you too think Cybertronians aren't (just) robots they are metal based organisms with cells dna(cna)cybertronian anatomy has a funny little property of incorporating materials and technology that means optimus can pull up to a tomb world steal some tech and with a bit of surgery asymilate it into his cna necron tech and materials(necrodermis and Blackstone)alone would make optimus
-immune to psychic energy
-regenerate
-be able too resurrect himself
-be able to teleport
-be able to phase through matter
-be able to mass shift thus giving him FTL both for movement and combat
-his natural bio weapons would turn into gauss blasters (and if he got rocket pods from the tau he would have gauss missiles)he could also get the void shield from the Empire (and then his cna will turn it into smth like a gauss shield)and the advanced laser tech from eldar
IT GETS WORSE (or better)optimus is a large land vehicle so he can scan other large land vehicles and turn into em like say a doomsday ark winch has the firepower of a supernova
And all of that refers to the AVERAGE cybertronian not prime
Now if you want more well move in to prime
3)prime power ya see in order to understand Cybertron optimus we have too understand his megatron/Galvatron Cybertron is the third and last series on the Unicron trilogy to put it shortly lets start the timeline with Armada Megatron basically imagine primarch twice as big and completely made out of metal now a Megatron gets powered up by minicons(who all have a part of Unicron's power and becomes Galvatron now in Transformers energon Galvatron feeds in even more of Unicron's power and re becomes Megatron(he died in Armada well kinda)and then he feeds on super energon on Cybertron the divine life blood of primus and re becomes Galvatron then in Cybertron he grafts parts of Unicron's Corps onto himself and re becomes Megatron then he siphons the power of a cyber planet key and becomes Galvatron(and by extension optimus)has is atleast comparable to a daemon Prince one tiny correction if memory serves a planet key alone CST terraform the omegalock is need for that but the matrix can be used to make new autobot life oit of vehicles and a cyber planet key can be used to alter and inhance cybertronian anatomy so optimus can turn himself I to a jet if he wants too basically a fully enhanced Cybertron optimus can pull up to the palace the Emperor and all his primarchs and solo everyone at once not too mention he can just make an army others like him that are loyal to the autobot cause of "freedom is the right of all sentient lifeforms)
Also nine of this covers how our boy space robo jesus is a tactician a scholar a politician and a philosopher with a millennia of experience who only ever asked for freedom and peace
Plonks a Warlord titan on the tabletop, only to realise your opponent can take 5500 points worth of anti tank weapons.
@@cockypocky590 the Mechanicus would tear him and his chrome-covered followers to scrap for being xenos tech-heresy
All gods in 40k are nothing compared to the powers of Gork and Mork.
One being brutally cunning the other being cunningly brutal.
If they ever stopped fighting each other the grim dark future of the 41st millennium would end.
they also beat khorne because he interrupted them
@@DonKrieg-382 And Khorne İs still pissed about to it . To this fucking day
The four primary chaos gods are constantly at war with each other. They call it "the great game". Gork and Mork come rolling around is for the chaos gods the equivalent of the cat jumping on the table and messing up the entire board.
All fun until the old ones arrive
Heresy!!
My friend described 40K perfectly
"Everything is so overpowered that nothing is overpowered"
"When everyone's super; no one will be."
Isaac Martin That Incredibles reference is perfect.
just like a 10x tf2 server
Just like DotA
That is the perfect description.
Warhammer 40k where every gun has the description of cutting through space marine armor like butter except for the standard guard laser gun.
Literally any other sci fi universe: “But like this army is super strong and-“
40k: “shhhhhhhh... Tyranids”
The Necrons after the Halo Array is fired: "Where did everyone go? We can't even find the Tyranids."
The Necrons after the Forerunners' Guardians show up: "..."
@@lennardchurch8483 Get ready to be emped!!
@@lennardchurch8483 that would be a great way to kill the gods of chaos
@@ericsmith1517 heavily weaken at any rate... kill, errrrr that’s not assured, which tells you everything about the universe’s power level
@@MLaak86 Pariah in 40k are essentially just organic beings with no biological connection to the Warp, and this trait causes psychic energies to be destroyed in their presence (including the essence of the Chaos demons). And while it takes special conditions among life that came into existence amid Warp energies for a Pariah to be made, having no biological connection to a dimension that doesn't exist in their universe would be universal among Halo's forces.
40k is the answer to the question-
"What is the worst/most awesome bad ending humanity could achieve?"
Xeelee sequence
Bad? That's heresy. The Imperium is good. Glory to the God Emperor
The Foundation would like to speak to you.
I think all tomorrow’s got the worst ending for humanity
@@heocon0541 Not really, The ending shows a new great empire of mankind and through everything they have gone through, They continued to a better future.
The bolter, basically a Grenade launcher with rocket propelled armor piercing explosive tipped fragmenting bullets the size of a soda can, oh and it’s fully automatic.
Makes it even crazier that's not even the best guns if 40k
*And that's the standard issued assault rifle for the Adeptes Astartes*
Yep the fully automatic Rocket Propelled Grenade launcher assault rifle that is a standard issue weapon
@@jameshill9325 yeah but astartes are pretty rare and the bulk of the imperium are guardsmen with use las weapons which...Are pretty terrible
@@kyodairiker I know
Star Wars's Death Star or Star Killer was a big deal. Pretty sure some people in the Imperium decided not to use that type of weapon against an all powerful enemy because it was 'no fun'
They have exterminatus, thats good enough, why waste effort to blow up the planet itself?
You mean exterminatus??
@@Niwona112 no, the necron star destroying ipad
@@guymanhumanperson he said imperium not necrons
The death star was a big deal because it completely destroyed a planet, even at it's most powerful extermantus had to happen when the plantery shields were down and even then only could chunk the planet if you used a lot of the most powerful kind of extermantus, which makes it similar to a base delta zero, which is just glossing a planet with a star destroyers main weapons
Warhammer 40k: "You can't be OP if everybody is OP."
to be honest all got a major nerf after the war in heaven tho ... yeah its pretty much the stone age now :)
To be fair that's kinda the point of the Necrons. To be even more OP in an already OP universe.
@@HellsRaven4444 they are way spread all over the world ( sleep like a baby ) 🤣 .
It is true that almost impossible to beat catan/necron head on and requires many strategies to defeat it , but there are still some way to defeat them 😫 ..... Yea few or less .... Or maybe ..... I donno
Helian so underrated yo dude, who's that girl in your profile pic?
@@PCRouter Helian from Girls' Frontline
"That's way too stro- oh wait it's dead." That's the most perfect summary of 40k I've ever heard.
What about:
WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
Vincent Rees A typical Friday night, honestly.
Warhammer is a universe where they created war, then built the universe around war.
Other sci-fi created universes that happened to go to war.
Also they aren't afraid to depict different races that just aren't really the bad guys, but by no stretch of the imagination the good guys ether. Ever race has their own reason to do what they do and no one is actually the good guy ^^
The Black Baron just like real life :v
Wh40k: created around Waaa--- a tabletop game.
Other Universes: happen to go to war in a way that makes sense given technology in the universe.
@@theblackbaron4119 Every Sci-Fi / Fantasy Universe does the same thing.
I basically got into Warhammer cause of this video. Just bought my first army.
Battleship in Star Wars: suffering from somewhat being touched by a tiny thingy not even in the main parts.
Battleship in WH40K: *LITERALLY DESIGNED TO RAM THE ENEMY ON FULL SPEED*
And sometimes they actually fly away after ramming because in 40k, ships are made out of rocks, magic concrete, and super metals.
@@JimJamTheAdmin The giant, armoured ramming prow at the front certainly doesn't hurt either. Particularly when it has a built in power field.
Ork ships are the ones known for ramming out of nowhere
Battleship in Star Wars: Literal Small Moon can one shoot planets
WH40k: Fliying Cathadrels
@@kraker0279 Are you calling the Deathstar a battleship? Wut? It was a war moon at most.
Star Wars: we’ve lost 50,000 in a single day, we’ve got to at the very least, reevaluate our situation
40k: 50,000 in a single day! Somethings going right for us boys!
SHOVEL NOISES INTENSIFIES
Only 50k in a day coz we are freezing? Give me a heavy flamer! I take care of the icy weather and you kill the others. Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne! cit: Kharn the betrayer .
Starting planetary population 6b imperial guards, 10 space marine with a Champion, 2 squads of sisters of battle
Starting invading forces 2b warped in demons and 5 squand of Chaos marines leaded by Kharn the betrayer
Final results of the day: Only kharn left sitting on an hill made of skulls and w8ing for the next Chapter or exterminatus to return to the warp and claim his bounty xD
throw in 50K more for good measure
Кубрик Чинков одобряет, товарищ! Цистерны с Крига ещё нарожают! Хахаха!
I think it's more like: "Only 50 thousand casualties? It's awfully low... Be cautious men, enemy is plotting something"
The 40k universe is like a bunch of kids in a circle going "Well MY faction can..." constantly trying to one up each other. It's great.
one kid says "Your factions are dead!"
No actually those are Grown-ups... That are like a Bunch of Kids in the Circle Going “Well MY Faction can...” Contantly trying to one up each other, it’s great
Orc's the faction made by the kid who joined last second and had to power scale FAST
@@phantomaviator1318 And another one responds, "Well fine, but they're still fighting!" Thus born were the Nekrons.
@@colinsmith1495 everyone gangsta til one kid says "MY FACTION IS GOD"
Darth vader: fighting a librarian
Librarian: plants an image of white beaches and flowing dunes into his mind
40k also has the legend: Sly Marbo.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
LILITHS TITS!
Commissar Smith don't forget Kaldor Draigo! (btw, have you seen his sword?)
I think 40k vs starwars can be best summarized like this:
You place a wookie and an orc in a room together, the orc now has some cash and a blanket
and teeth for his teeth collection
All within 30 seconds.
Sorry, not realistic enough. 2 seconds.
@@pandagamer-hg5be the teeth is the cash lol
@@ryanbailey3176 its lord of the rings
@@ryanbailey3176 It's Yo Mama
Starwars: guys! This is horrible! They made a weapon that CAN KILL PLANETS
40K: did somebody say JOINING CHAOS?! uh oooooh! SMASH IT! *exterminatus the whole damn system*
Star wars had planet busting capacities way before the Death Star. What made the deathstar special is that it's a enormous battlstation (so you can't really destroy it in direct fight) and that the destruction was absolutely instant, something even 40k don't have.
@@scarocci7333 it's called exterminatus, and it does destroy planets in the blink of an eye
@@ziavanzaa.r6335 Exterminatus doesn't destroy planets in a blink of an eye. It's either a massive and long bombardment from several ships , or the use of cyclonic torpedoes, who take a very long time (a few hours at least) to reach the core and destroy a planet (and those are very rarely used in comparison with the bombardment). It's nothing in common with the Deathstar that can pop anywhere in the galaxy and instantly destroy the planet with one laser.
*khorne snaps**galaxy burns btw*
@@thunderstormhd4416 khorne and the chaos gods can't affect the materium, that's why they use their minions and it's the entire premise of how 40k work. He couldn't even snap away a guardsman and have 0 feats by themselves. Fuck, do you even know the setting you are talking about ? Chaos gods can directly intervene in Age of Sigmar (and it's still limited) but that's all.
Everybody gangsta until the church starts walking
Well I'm not an imperator class but I'm a close second
40K always wins because the Emperor protects.
Also there is no stun setting on a Bolter.
Unless you smack that thing unto a poor tau's skull
But it would give him a concussion instead of stunning him
@@frankenwaifu8092
Tau: "yeah we suck at Melee. Too bad tho that you never get that near."
Ha Ha Funny!
@@BeatmasterAC " Too bad you'll never get close enough. " Me: " STEEL REHN! YES! *WE'LL SEND MORE.* "
@@BeatmasterAC we have more men then you have ammunition, fix bayonets
My favorite comparison;
Star Wars: blowing up a planet is a big deal and the center point of most galactic conflict
40k: that’s Tuesday,
Also there is the war in heaven: a war so vast it belittles the great crusade and current 40k as much as 40k belittles other sci-fi universes
I think that war killed hundreds of quintillions of people
And yet mankind didn't even notice.
That was 60 Million years ago
Explains why we can't find aliens, because they all died in the War of Heaven!
Which is more than the Trillions that died in the Yuuzhan Vong War in Star Wars EU
Honestly it's no contest. Other Sci-fi shows do war as a hobby, a little side part of a plot. 40k there is nothing but War, it's daily life. It's also War on a galactic Scale. To Star Wars the Death star was a big thing, it could blow up Planets! To 40k it's Tuesday.
Even then 40K is a joke to some insane factions like the xeelee and downstreamers.Humans have quite a bit of imagination.
Tuesday morning before 9 am
more like 5PM
Sometimes it's not even Tuesday, it's just a footnote.
It wasn't a big thing. Death Star was small in scale compared to other super weapons, so I don't really know what you mean.
To add on to the guardsmen population you should also consider the large number of basic civilians who are conscripted should there planet come under attack like we see in during the siege of Terra.
If a librarian summoned Darth Vader's worst fear, he would see an endless stream of sand
space marines make sand castles while darth vader hyperventilates.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Rogal Dorn making a sand Castle and Saying YESSSSS
*sand obtains high ground!*
I was actually about to comment that. God dammit. XD
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." That should immediately tell anyone observing that a science fiction universe where life is synonymous with war, their ability to wage war is going to be beyond other universes.
Waging war is what gentlemen in 40k do. Constant mass genocide and torture is the norm.
I disagree. WH40k is still too human-centered and afraid to embrace scale. Most importantly, it's barely one galaxy. What about setting in which whole galaxies can be casulties in a war? Or where even whole superclusters of galaxies are used as weapons themselves? WH40k is a bug on the windshield for things like Doctor Who or the Xeelee.
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann? Entire universes are- well were, subject to total annihilation on a daily biases, and humans were pretty high rank in that universe(to bad they don't talk about anything beyond the Lagann Unit's short part of the story/ not even half of it's story either, just Simon's portion.)
Chaos would corrupt TTGL, starting with Simon
Try telling that to a Trekkie.
40K is the Australia of SF universes, everything is designed to kill you and what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
The most accurate description of Warhammer 40k I've ever seen. XD
Australia is being ravaged by rats, cats, rabbits and frogs. Its animals are fairly poorly evolved because they spent geological ages in isolation. It has a few scary bugs because humans havnt been there for long to eradicated them.
When you live in a country where an Adder or a weaver fish is the scariest thing you will come across then:-
Great Whites, Salt water crocs, that sea snake, deadly spiders in the loo, giant toads , koalas etc.. are very 40K :)
www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2013/03/australias-dangerous-animals-the-top-30/
RUclips red back spider biting snake.
Seen it happen a number of times with my own eyes.
This is the universe with a toad that explodes when threatened (killing everything around it including plants and machines).
Im not an expert on StarWars but acording to what I remember the Sith Empire fell and rebuild countless times and all of it in just years. The Imperium of Man is 40000 years old and only once a long time ago was the Imperium extremely close to eradication during the Horus herecy, it's so gigantic that even a few planets rebeling is not importend enough to be taken seriously. Warhammer 40K is the turest form of OP or rather UltraOverOP. Like he said it's pretty much lunacy how OP it is.
40k isn't OP. It's just very hyperbolic and written by people who don't know how logistics work. If you actually created the 40k universe and they actually had to produce the food and distribute it to feed everyone, the Imperium would collapse within days, because it doesn't have the infrastructure to actually exist. And that's before you take into account their endless wars that burn through monumental amounts of resources they just don't have. The writers just made up big numbers and hand-waved the specifics to tell stories that sound like 12 year old boys came up with them on the playground trying to one-up each other.
@@lennardchurch8483me when agro world and suspension of disbelief
Rule 1 Of Sci-fi: you can't make ALL the races of your universe being op
Warhammer 40K: * exists *
Halo: wait, thats illegal
Edit: Why the fuck this have 1,8 Likes?
Tbf, at one point literally all races in Halo were WH40k levels of ghastly overpowered. Forerunners tilted the goddamn galaxy just to flex.
@@gracecalis5421 pre flood halo races were far more advanced than anything wh40k. Most races could do what you just mentioned and they were not even the strongest.
@@ianlong1437 The Precursors were straight up just gods. All the events of the Halo franchise began because they were basically playing Minecraft in Creative Mode.
Except all of the 40k races are relatively weak compared to the higher tiers of sci fi factions
@@rosesarered675 tell that to 40k fanboys lol
Most Scifi fractions were made to tell a story.
40k factions were made to win.
And yet no one ever does
@@npc6817 if everything is op there is balance
@@npc6817 Orks always win, coz if they lose it don't count.
@@boxtupos7718 fair enough
@@boxtupos7718 lmao
One of the most amusing bits of fluff in 40k is Commissar Yarrick - not only is he a complete badass, but thanks to the Orks latent psychic field which Yarrick has studied and exploited where possible, Yarrick is also potentially immortal now as the entire race of Orks fully believe he's un-killable and will always be around to give them a good fight......
Eye of the Storm you have no idea how much amusement that thought has brought me. Just all the orks shooting at him but the bullets somehow missing and screaming wahhhh! And he’s just in the middle just fucking walking past everybody.
Orks with pistols have better accuracy than the 501st Stormtroopers
THINK about that!
Christian Dauz of course. You can't shoot a gun and miss, that'd be a waste of perfectly good Dakka, and you can't waste Dakka
This man got his arm cut off by a 12 foot green monster and his reaction was "Fuck you, you jolly green jackass, you take my arm, I take your power claw". Yarrick has balls of steel (legion hehe).
"This just in, man literally too angry to die!" Commissar Yarrick in a nutshell, "Hold up, an update on the situation... Ok he just charged an entire Ork warband by himself yelling "AVE IMPERATOR!" and has, yep, he has come out unscathed... Somehow that doesn't surprise me Jim.".
I feel like an astartes would be a really tough match up for a Jedi. They are super heavy so I would be hard to force push them, they are also familiar with fighting psychers. They shoot bullets which are almost impossible to deflect with a light saber. And they could probably tank a few lightsaber strikes.
Mass/weight isn't really a factor for properly trained Jedi. They can throw around starfighters, which are significantly more massive than Space Marines.
And Space Marine Armor is weak to super-heated plasma, meaning the Lightsabers would likely go through it like butter.
Bolter rounds are grenades the size of a roll of quarters, and since a lightsaber is liable to cause the grenade to explode on contact rather than be deflected, which could still result in shards injuring the Jedi. The Jedi's best chance is to use their superior speed and agility to avoid getting shot.
I'd say for most matchups the Space Marines would have the advantage, though Force Users with darker impulses might be able to use Force Crush to pulverize Space Marines without a fight.
@@lennardchurch8483 all valid points I hadn't thought about.
Technically a Jedi and Sith would be extremely difficult for an Astartes due to the fact that they have similar traits to Psykers and Psykers are notorious to be a pain to deal with.
@@taelorpickel2830 yeah this was before I knew more about warhammer lore and all that. A jedi could probably take an astartes 1v1, depending on who gets the jump on who. Darth Vader vs a Grey Knight could be really interesting.
Star Wars: "Sir we lost 10k of men.. we need to retreat!"
Emperor of Mankind: "We sacrifice 10k's of men a day.. to keep me alive"
Necrons “just wait a minute they’ll get up any second now”
And not just any men but psykers, which are rare.
I think you mean 10k men per minute
Don’t you mean 10 billion? Lol
@@BL-bg1fj He means 10k psykers killed each day to power up the golden throne.
In short, it's because 40k was balanced via arms race:
Imperium: "we have space marines that can fight after losing limbs and survive anything short of concerted anti-tank weaponry"
Eldar: "yeah well we have advanced precursor tech that lets us teleport behind you with impossibly sharp swords or mow you down with energy rounds from a distance"
Imperium: "ok now we have big mechs controlled by corpses with flamethrowers and miniguns and giant battle claws and laser cannons that can stomp through dozens of your soldiers"
Orkz: "yeh well we'z got a zoggin' big army cuz we'z be multiplyin frum sporz in da billyuns! oo carez bout yer dozens yeh smash!?"
Eldar: "our race has powerful psykers that can decimate your forces with unnatural power"
Imperium: "we have librarians that can do the same and each of our hundreds of thousands of planets conscripts tens of millions of guardsmen, you are no match"
Chaos: "we use psychic power as a beacon to locate you and feed from the suffering caused by the deaths of billions of your cannon fodder, our troops are created from the collective fears and emotions of all sentient races, our greater daemons are fragments of our gods"
Imperium: "our primarchs are created of our god too and wear armour that is almost indestructible; they are so powerful they can only be killed by eachother. you are no match for our power. and we have huge mechs the size of skyscrapers"
Orkz: "yeh well we'z got gubbins loik dat too!"
Chaos: "your primarchs cannot survive our temptation and will come to our side, even these demigodlike beings will serve us as puppets"
Necrons: "we are space terminators who have been hibernating for millions of years. we are survivors of a galactic conflict orders of magnitude greater than the current one, waging war against an entire race of beings as strong as your emperor"
'Nids: *NOM*
Continue ad nauseam.
Haha thats too accurate xD
I love how the only thing the Nids have to contribute to the argument is NOM
I laughed at the *NOM* way more than i should.
Tau: "I have some cool mech-"
Everyone: "SHUT IT WEEB!!"
Tau: **cries*
Tyranids: (In flemy voice) Feeed.
“Why don’t we take all them at there peak” yeah in 30k there’s mention of a gun firing black holes... good luck with that
Hmm Jedi that has potential to learn more and not warriors to begin with.Sith who are constantly learning.
At their prime.
40k: A company of Space Wizards idk about training a stuff but they are combat ready.
Also those aren't laser they are firing,other that Lasguns/Rifles,those are tank shells they are firing from those bolters. Deflect that.
Destiny 2 Gravaton Lance has that
Fun to laugh at
@@pyerack the average space marine lives for 1000 years. They've got dreadnaughts kicking around for over 10000 years. Hell, there are probably some thunder warriors still alive somewhere, and they were just the prototypes!
Xeelee night fighter - "am I a joke to you?"
Zhangeldy I admit the Xeelee, or the timelords are one of the few sci-fi civilizations that could best the IoM or 40k in general.
I made the fatal mistake of reading ONE warhammer short story...and I haven't been able to escape the warhammer universe since...it's been 3 years now
Video: " *Why does warhammer 40k always win?* "
Me: " *Because to think otherwise is heresy and is punishable by death* "
This is a bolter.
Your argument is invalid.
DEATH TO HERETICS!!!!!!!
“I will convince you of my point of view using factual arguments-“
“and this heavy Bolter”
@@zikrihelmiamminuddin8240 pretty sure comic book universes have characters who would erase the God Emperor with a thought, and the entire galaxy. Comics are so broken it’s kinda absurd
@@anatoldenevers237 idk I get why your think that but the emperor can literally erase you from existence with a beam lol
They always win, because *THE EMPEROR PROTECTS*
Say that to the thousands sons
@@patrickb8276 I believe they are heretics
Gabriel Angelos why protect heretics
I was about to post this but you beat me by 4 months
The lasguns and bolters also help.
In Star Wars it’s a really big deal when a galactic military has the ability to destroy a world completely or render it uninhabitable quickly... in 40k that’s kind of a regular occurrence for most of the factions
7 star destroyers can exsterminatus in a day.
MyDuck IsOnQauck Planetary Defences can maybe push them back, and it will probably take longer than a day, but yeah, seven Star Destroyers can take out a Planet in Star Wars. Doubt they can take out a Fortress World though.
@@allenrosales9738 They could. An important fortress world like cadia from what i know probably didnt even have a void shield for its city. Without a defending navy several star destroyers would definitely destroy a fortress world.
In Star Wars, something like a Death Star is a galactic threat
*In Warhammer it's just Tuesday*
@@polariser5900 *sigh*
Imperial navy: 25,000 imperial star destroyers, over a million and a half smaller warships(based off sector groups), 50+dreadnoughts(around 26 of which are executer classes), a sovereign class(continent/small moon busting laser), the eclipse(continent/small moon) 1000s of other star destroyers/sized ships, sun crusher(star buster, that tanked a death stat laser), 2 death stars, an extra death star prototype with a functional laser, galaxy gun(snipe planets and ships from across the galaxy), the tarken,(planet buster), the conqueror(continent/small moon cracking super laser), metal crystal phase shifters(bypass shields to weaken hull integrity), and dozens of world devastators(can rip apart planets with tractor beam projectors, while tanking shots from capital ships. Can collect materials to upgrade/grow, produce droids, droid fighters, capital ships, and even create new world devastators)
It takes seven imperial star destroyers to execute a exsterminatus in under 24 hours.
The hapes consortium was a faction in star wars that had a minuscule number of planets compared to that of the empire. Its navy outnumbered its number of planets by 3-7+ to one. This means with just the empire's full memeber world territries they could more than double thier navy or heavily supplement larger capital ships like the Allegiance battlecruiser(2km), or dreadnoughts.
Plus there was a plan to include super class star destroyers(8km) in many of the empires sectors. That potentially 100s. There was also the assertor class(15km), bellator(7km), and mandator III(12km).
Also even the seperatist alliance had millions of warships(revenge of the sith cross section), and they only held 10,000 to a couple dozen thousand systems.Imperial army: 10s of trillions(Rebellion era campaign guide)
Stormtrooper corps: 100s of millions-billions
CompForce: 100s of billions(2nd edition sourcebook)
Tanks/repulsorcraft: trillions
Walkers: 10s of millions
The E-11 is the equivalent of a 14.5mm round with enough heat to punch through a lightly armored or unarmered opponent(as seen in multiple canon and legends comics). In a new hope it vaporizes steel bars. Hans blaster can be scaled to a 20mm and chewbaccas bowcaster from canon dishes out 47,000 pounds of force. In legends comics a heavy blaster pistol like hans, was shown to cause a mini grenade like explosion able to knock a human into the air. In the same comic series a few heavy blaster rifles were able to punch through a six inch metal door. In canon a blaster rifle split a stone(some kind of rock) cliff in two. There were also disruptor rifles whicj disintegrated targets.
At-At: Has the fire power to destroy a 90 meter transport ship, has shields(battleftont 2 their shields are impenetrable until their taken down) able to tank ground, and speeder based laser cannons(stronger than blaster cannons which are on par or stronger than hans blaster). Their armor had a tensile strength of 60,000- 130,000 psi. By the time palpatine was resurrected in legends at-ats used light turbolasers.
Stormtrooper armor: in the 2nd edition sourcebook its stated that slug throwers ineffective against the weakest of modern armor(unless you have a 20mm, or enough blunt force trauma), and in tatooine ghost hypersonic rounds from tusken raiders bounced off stormtrooper armor.
The empire had 3 adeptus astartes equivalents(SD9 battle droid, Dark troopers mark 2, and 3). Technically 5 but hazard, and zero g stormtroopers lack firepower. As well 6 adeptus sororitas equivalents in glory class dark troopers, juggernaut combat suit, oppressor-9, purge troopers(dark droid), phase 0 dark trooper, and oppressor-7 dark troopers.
The republic had blaze tropers, and the droid army had the FLTCH battle droid.
The real galactic threats were Abeloth, Vitiate, and the crimson forever virus.
40k allways struck me asbit of a parody on scifi in general, scifi has the trope of "around every corner is an even badder enemy/ an even more advanced alien empire and even bigger anomaly etc" and 40k took that and it didnt just turn it up to 11 it turned it up to 111. any major plotline in other scifi franchises would be anohter tuesday in 40k.
startrek: the borg are here!
starwars: space wizzards are attacking us!
stargate: religious space priests are attacking and converting us!
40k: well theres several daemon invasions there, there and there, theres 3/4 of an ork waaaagh that way, the hive fleet is in that corner and some guardsmen did a fucky wucky and woke up a couple of tomb worlds all in all its a slow century, casualties have only increased by 15% oh crap, black crusade just hit.. casualties are now up by 120%
40k is like two kids playing a war on the playground
"My army is made of 8ft tall super soldiers with automatic rpgs"
"Well mine use mechanics with railgun that can destroy your guy."
"Well my army has massive robots the size of skyscrapers"
"Well mine has a giant amalgamation of scrap metal and self confidence called orkstompa"
Just constant oh but my armys has ____ to 1 up eachother
Then you start to get into infinites and times i finities
disagree wh40 isn't about powerlevels. wh40k = 100% about suffer. from the start one of the most iconic character of wh40k I would say close to every1 it is first character about whomwe get information is literaly humans god Emperor and he is half dead it is basic info etc. every1 in wh40k suffer whole time. even necron who are overpowered who claim their own gods as a slaves even they are suffer nonstop.
More dakka.
“Well mine is just a bunch of dudes with laser guns, tanks and artillery.”
Wait.
best and most accurate reply, hands down.
Warhammer: *For the Emperor*
Star Wars: Emperor Palpatine??
Warhammer: kill the heretic!!
Star Wars: wait what?!
And even if it was a Sith Lord, they are dead today. And their planet is destroyed...today. The heretic.
@Miguel Ramos im sure lord sidious can conquer multiple planet at same time. Not.
Just send in the Black Templar's.
@Miguel Ramos He is. But, the Emperor in 40K is a demi-god. I mean, any Primarch would rip Palpatine to shreds. Magnus wouldn't even have to think about it.
Magnus teleported his planet from the hell to the reality.
The Imperial Army
Imperial Guard
Astra Militarum
*THE WALL OF GUNS*
Adeptus Titanicus
Adeptus Astartes
Adeptus Custodes
Adepta Sororitas
INQUISITION...
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky and Khorne goes straight for the Klingons. An interesting fight, although HEAVILY one-sided, would be the Borg Collective vs. the Necrons
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky erm, the group who shattered and enslaved their gods. Read the title of the video again......
ivan ivanovitch ivanovsky all good. I didn't even get to the part where their BASIC TROOP WEAPON literally separated the molecular bonds of the target, quite literally de-atomising them.
D Garza a better question is "Are the Borg ever going to get a hold of Gauss weaponry?" OR "If they get their hands on Gauss weaponry, how quicky will the Deathmarks be deployed?"
Having been absolutely ADHD obsessed with each of these fandoms at some point I'd say the answer is quite easy: WH40K is actually a lot of fun for a PG-13+ audience. Halo & Star Wars appeal to younger G-PG aged fans and Star Trek a PG (now PG-13 from reboots? version of space travel where everyone talks and space battles are about a few 'pew pews'. WH40K gives me at least the (grim) dark insanity of everything is overwhelming and it's all as meaningful as you want it to be. The characters are caricatures and it's on purpose and beautiful because of it.
It's really not, 40k is by far the most childish out of all them, once you remove the gore and blood, all you get is spectacle, star trek has plenty of moral dilemmas, and starwars has a lot of very creative and very well made characters doing grappling with actions to take, 40k goes grimderp to the point where where orks aren't even allowed to be fun most the times because apparently dark humor takes away from the grimderp they want to sell
@@calebbarnhouse496your point being?
While i agree that 40k has it's grimderp moments, comparing 40k's batshit insanity with star treks "moral dilemma" isn't even possible. 40k is dominated by the "rule of cool"
@@alperalyanak9627 maturity, 40k is more childish because it runs off having massive amounts of blood and life sucks, startrek at it's man being beat to death by a rubber alien and shoots him with a cannon made out of a log is more mature then the points where 40k trys to tell a story like there are real stakes
Read any of the Flood novels, and you'll take back the statement that Halo is a PG rated franchise.
Warhammer 40k always wins because, from the ground up, it's built on this philosophy:
"Nothing is OP, because literally everything is OP...therefore the galaxy is a terrible place to live."
It's meant to be a universe where everything is on the verge of dying and needs to compensate by pushing their limits to the point that limits no longer exist. I mean, even in the fiction there's a whole realm where if a person believes hard enough, or has enough people to believe, they can make a deity or a powerful force that then acts upon the material world.
You can literally belief you are invincible, therefore you will be invincible. It's a hellscape gothic space existential and body horror...everything is possible there
there was a really OP big daddy who created other OP big daddies and gave them thousands of little less OP daddies to control. - the great crusade.
Still seem kinda small when it's only a galaxy, and ya got sci-fi stuff with guys making tech that can and sometimes does accidentally destroys a universe full of galaxies.
The Ones from Star Wars, the Halos from Halo, and the many "gods" in comic book/superhero stories can kill the 40K factions quite easily.
There's Lovecraft, in which all of reality is simply the dream of the blind idiot god Azatoth, and beings destroy entire galaxies without even noticing.
NumbingDisasterAnon and this is why it should never be compared to any other science fiction. Too much room for massive plot holes.
Space Marine gets an arm and heart blown out:
"Tis but a flesh wound"
Every space marine is basically the dark knight in monthy pythons holy grail
@@kulot-ki1tu with the difference, that a space marine with 0 limbs can still kill you by biting off one of your limbs or spit acid into your face (Dorn's kids not counting for the last one tho)
Good thing they have two hearts and only need one arm to fire a bolter
They gets modified inside a Dreadnought.
arab guy speaks arab this is my favorite new comparison for spess mahrens, thanks so much :D
AND the most insane thing about all this is that every faction(aside from chaos) is currently in a weakened, decayed, or a remanent of their golden age. ALL OF THAT OVERPOWEREDNESS is not even 5% compared to the factions when in their prime. The Imperium had the Human federation which was approaching the inter-galactic level, the Eldar has the Aledari Empire, an empire that owned the 40k verse for 60 million years, and the Orks were once the Krork, a 12-meter tall, hyper-intelligent race with a complex society capable of everything the Ork can do, but better 10x in every way. The Necrons in their prime beat literal eldritch gods like the Old Ones and the C'tan, even fighting the Aledari Empire and krorks as well. You can honestly say that Chaos is actually the weakest faction as any of the other factions in their prime could beat its ass in every fight, the only reason Chaos is so dangerous is the corrupting ability and the warp that can always respawn them if they died, if a faction was able to take away/counter those two prime abilities, Chaos is boned beyond description.
The Tau are the only race that really advances technologically, because they have a fraction of the population of the other factions.
They're only able to stand a chance because they have railguns as their default weapon
The Tyranids and the T'au would also be on their best time right now wouldn't they? I mean they can improve, but they are not the remnants of a glorious past, at least not yet
@@elalto3492 Tau are too young and not anywhere large enough to be considered in overall galactic threats. The Imperium can drown them in numbers, the necrons could turn them to atoms, they use AI and all sorts of corruptable tech, so chaos will fck them up, the Eldar would use them to oblivion, Orks don't even need a justification, Tyranids will eventually overrun the entire galaxy. I feel bad for the tau, they came into the galaxy when the galaxy is in it's twilight years, only a few millennia away from being destroyed.
@@elalto3492 But the Tau have two distinct advantages over the other races. First is that they have a very dim light in the warp which makes them near invisible for chaos and thus they have very little to fear from chaos. The second is that they are actually able to innovate and they innovate quickly. They have not yet reached the peak of their power, mainly because they are hemmed in by the imperium on one side and the orks on the other. The Tau are still in ascension while the peak has already passed for the other races. As for the nids, the nids aren't a civilized species, they have no technology and no culture. So saying they have some kind of golden age or some past or present glory is not really applicable here. They are intelliegnt, yes, but they don't think as the other races do. They are a 'merely' a hyperadvanced predator.
@@tranquilthoughts7233Well they aren’t civilized in the same way as the rest of the galaxy. They’re very clearly a hive mind intelligence that has no real need for culture or anything of the sort.
With 10th edition now out, and this is still the best description on how nuts 40k is vs (insert favorite army here)
A good, simple phrase to explain the power levels in 40k comes from The Incredibles. Syndrome's quote "When everyone is super, no one will be," is the concept that what everyone in one universe would call overpowered, 40k would call normal or even WEAK.
Great reference!
Damn, now I understand Warhammer 40k.
I thought of that too great analogy
4 miles damn I didn’t know that tau engages in close combat
Ha. A fine jest, brother.
I think they meant infantry weapons probably
Bro if a Tau shoots you from across a planet they were feeling a little risky that day
@@anonymousdolan4862 Even infantries would think attacking from the next city a bit too close
hahahahahhahahaha smooth!! laughing from my Mon'tka XV88 hahahahhaahhaha
Keep in mind... That the lasguns are the epitome of reliable weaponry. Easily manufactured and maintained to the point where every guardsman is issued one and can maintain it easily without much especialized tool, not to mention it's solar powered so you don't need to manufacture ammunition for it, no bullet dropoff and minimal to nonexistent recoil so any misses are mostly from human error, and the "projectile" can absolutely melt lightly armored targets.
And it's considered a flashlight in 40k... Think about that.
also, babies can be taught how to put it together
Solarpowered?
@Noot Noot Wants Noose Noose "any cadian who can't field-strip a lasgun by age 10 was born on the wrong planet"
@@jando5980 The power packs can be charged by leaving them out in the sun, all be it, slowly. They can also be charged in a fire, at a much faster rate, but it damages the life cycle of the power pack. These options means it is possible to change a Lasgun, in the field, so the out power, as long as you have time and sunlight. And emergency charge them in a fire if you have no Goethe choice. This last option is for emergencies only. When your fighting an endless, galaxy wide, war, such soft, logistic friendly features, are ignite more important then hard factors like the weapons power, range, etc. The Astartes have bolt guns, because they get a lot more resources per solider and there are a lot less of them, so they get the fancy RPG-grenade launcher hybrid, while the Imperial Guard get the “flashlight”. A weapon mocked for its low power, but is still powerful enough to blow fist sized holes clean through people in a single hit at long ranges. In any other setting, O.P. In Warhammer 40k? Laughably inadequate.
@@Erakius323 couldn't agree more with your statement. I think the "weak" reputation comes from tabletop. I'd add that the lasgun's most common target is probably humans, which it is probably very adequate for. Lots of civil war and heresy going on between the million worlds of the Imperium.
Fun fact: Warhammer does in fact not always win.
They somehow manage to lose to Star Trek
@@mrfigaloopierre9610Yeah. Q exists.
@@Dredrick”Q exists”
And is essentially a Warp entity. You know how many ways there are to sever and nullify psychic and warp powers and kill a Pysker?
Not to mention the fact that the Warp is perfunctorily malignant and would warp the Q into being Daemon Princes and Chaos Champions in service to the True Gods of the Ruinous Powers. Though I could totally see them being Tzeentch aligned regardless.
@@mrfigaloopierre9610hilariously wrong opinion, but have it anyway. The Federation would be crippled by the minor forces of Daemon spawn alone. They have no response for the Chaos Gods or the Warp.
@@SomaCruz500 Their weapons are better, their citizens are less vulnerable to chaos corruption, and they have a surprisingly amount of experience with unusual phenomena.