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The thing is, there's remnants of the old imperium of man that people haven't even contacted. It would be less of a surprise and more of confusion as they try understanding their origins. "We found humans that call themselves the UNSC, when did we ever name a group that? And why do they have Dark age tech and AIs?"
@@zincgoblin7538considering how shit their bureaucracy is they'd probably chalk it up to something from millennia ago, it's so terrible that something just archived is immediately considered lost
A UNSC-Necron alliance could also lead to another thing: Necron experimentation using UNSC medical, bio-augmentation, and cloning techniques to see if they could remake bodies for the Necrons. Silent King might be interested.
If this actually happens, the unsc might just go to the most powerful faction in the setting simply because the necrons wont allow ANYONE or ANYTHING to fuck with them.
@@nobleman9393 The UNSC has a limited amount of Forerunner technology and Ancient Human technology. Which given the Imperium has no clue about the Forerunners. And all Ancient Human technology is Archotech. They would be more interested in that. Besides the UNSC biological augmentation tech and knowledge allows them to make any man or woman into a super soldier. Take a planet like Krieg and turn their Guardsmen into Spartan 4 super soldiers . And now you can see the advantage of not going to war with the UNSC. Even out numbering them initially doesn't mean much when they have super soldiers capable of ripping through entire regiments of Guardsmen individually and armed with Archotech. Yes the UNSC has reverse engineered Forerunner and Ancient Human weapons and technology. The Huragok aka Engineers I mentioned have significantly accelerated the rate of reverse engineering. They have also improved UNSC technologies. Including the slipspace drive allowing for precision jumps. Meaning with their nice little exterminatus packages aka Nova Bombs which double as munitions apparently. They can jump into a planets atmosphere below the orbital defense grid , drop a bomb and jump out. This kind of advantage would be very interesting to the Imperium. Thus making whipping them out simply not feasible. Kind of the same reason the Imperium didn't exterminatus the Squats in old lore. The UNSC is effectively Ancient Humanity to the Imperium and have a lot of Archotech which is important to the Imperium. Who tend to like to keep human history especially the Mechanicus. Oh and the Imperium doesn't have anywhere near the technical knowledge of how their stuff works . And per technological time scale the Imperium first discovered FTL via the Warp in the 15th millennia . The UNSC did this with their slipspace drives development in the 3rd millenia . So their are developing things technologically in two different time frames. Not to mention the Imperium has had multiple dark ages events . During which they lost knowledge of how everything works. Hence the Imperium does religious rituals for their technology. The UNSC and The Squats in 40k don't. Because they know how the technology actually works. So on the Imperium side we have a technologically stagnate and declining power. Who has mostly forgotten how their own technology works. On the UNSC side we have an empire that actually predates the Imperium by well over a million years. That has experienced its own set backs including being reset to caveman twice. Who actually know how their technology works. And are reverse engineering Ancient more advanced technology from their ancestors. Aka reverse engineering Archotech tech with the help of a biological super computer that was created by their "ancestors" or Forerunners . The Huragok aka Engineers are basically pets of their's. They are also very important since they contain a lot of knowledge. Essentially when you actually look at the complete time line thus far . The UNSC has more advanced technologies. They inherited from their ancestors and the Forerunners. The thing with that is they have to learn how to manufacture said technologies. Which is the entire point of reverse engineering. They can easily pick up a Z-110 Boltshot Directed Energy Pistol and punch a hole through an Astartes armor but that doesn't mean they can manufacture the weapon anymore at this point. Thus the Imperium would see no point in fighting them. To the Imperium the UNSC aren't threatening them. And it's just a matter of time before they after being exposed to Imperal worlds end up joining anyways as an ally at least.. Since let's be honest the Orkz are just green Brutes, the Tau remind them of the Covenant only a bitch version. The Necrons are a um no in general. The Tyranids are like the Flood without the threat of reality warping and using the Galactic autobon to crush your planets and ships. Read Halo Silentium. You will never see the Flood as just a form of Tyranids again. Because they are way worse than Tyranids. If you had a Flood force the size if a Hive fleet the galaxy is pretty much screwed.. Hence why the UNSC would go hunting them with Nova Bombs. So when we really look at it the only long term alliance options for them are the Squats and the Imperium. Because everything else either hate/ wants to eat humans or is a bitch version of the Covenant. For the most part. So technologically the UNSC are as advanced as the Imperium. And are gaining technology as they reverse engineer their own Archotech. Which is honestly the biggest thing the Imperium would be interested in other than the fact they can make adult Guardsmen into super soldiers which would be very interesting to the Imperium. We know how effective Guardsmen are. We know how effective Spartans are. Now combine them and what do we get ? Less Xenos in the way of humanity.
I have to point out: the idea of a Spartan pension fund is hilarious, and absolutely in character for ONI. Spartans don't retire, it's just not a thing, but ONI would absolutely use the guilt trip of, "You're not willing to pay more in taxes for the Spartan pension fund? You don't want to support the greatest heroes we've ever had defending us?" to yoink as much money as they can.
Reminds of something from Endless Space 2, where you can hack an enemy civilization and funnel funds into the 'Craver Pension Fund.' The Cravers of course being left over omnicidal bioweapons from a long forgotten war.
*UNSC:* "Why do the Astartes keep changing from plodding slow to lightning fast!?!" *Astartes:* "FAITH, HONOR AND VIGILANCE." *UNSC:* "That doesn't even make sense!" *Astartes:* "FAITH, HATE, AND IGNORANCE THEN." *UNSC:* "Oh come ON!"
Pretty much but he does fail to go into the tech shit the UNSC/ ONI bring to the galaxy. Because the UNSC wasn't just getting it's shit rocked by the Covenant. The UNSC was Strategic Transfering of Equipment to Alternate Locations from the Covenant while researching and trying to use any Forerunner tech they found. Admittedly it wasn't until after the war that the UNSC started finding Forerunner armories and vehicle storage depots and doing exactly what the Mechanicus would do if they found dark age of technology tech and weapons. Taking everything that isn't bolted down then using plasma cutters to take anything that was. But during the war they started reverse engineering Covenant tech. Post war they have done the same with Forerunner technology. This has lead to weapons attachments, weapons that shoot plasma , blamite ( a crystalline, high-explosive material) and hardlight encased antimatter particles. The Kinetic bolts attachment.. www.halopedia.org/Kinetic_Bolts So other than basically fighting a losing war the UNSC was actually doing a lot of experimental research to reverse engineer the Covenants weapons and tech to use against them. And post war have continued to do so with more Forerunner weapons and tech along with the assistance of the Engineers aka Huragok. Fun fact the Huragok are pacifist who at some point decided to start sabotaging Covenant equipment. And During the Great Schism, the now predominantly Jiralhanae-controlled Covenant military placed explosives charges onto the bodies of Huragok, in order to prevent them from falling into the hands of UNSC forces. The Huragok did not initially resist this measure, as they were made to believe that humanity would force them to defile Forerunner relics should they ever be captured.Once they realized it was to make them suicide bombers, however, many Huragok made attempts to resist receiving charges, usually failing.The Huragok were warned that if they disobeyed orders, their attached explosive charges would be detonated. However, some realized that the only chance they had to escape Jiralhanae brutality was to aid humanity in defeating the Covenant. As a result, the Huragok worked to allow a handful of their compatriots escape their commanders. Post war Between November 2552 and March 2553, Lucy-B091 discovered four Huragok inside Shield World 006 in Onyx. These Huragok eventually helped the human survivors in the shield world reestablish contact with the UNSC.Two Huragok were also assigned on Kilo-Five's prowler-UNSC Port Stanley-in order to provide it with the same upgrades as Infinity. Many Huragok are strategically employed by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence, primarily to assist in the reverse-engineering of Covenant technology or deciphering Forerunner data terminals. They seem to be happy to work with humanity. So this likely being post war the UNSC have biological supercomputers as pets. Which means they have upgraded alot. ONI of course is still going to do what ONI does mostly war crimes.
@FightOrSuicide Yeah basically for both the UNSC and everyone else. Because beyond the games Halo is actually a cosmic horror story in which even the Lovecraftin God's want to kill humanity. Oh and the Aliens aka the Covenant fire plasma as hot as a Red Dwarf star at them on a daily practically. Then there's the antimatter shooting knock off of Necrons in the Halo Universe because Bungie and 343 industries are apparently fans of 40k lol. So yeah it's a Tuesday for everyone involved for the most part.
The UNSC, being from another universe, could become Trazyn's obsession for a millennia easily-either their undoing, or security as humans with 'trade' sense.
There’s so many scenarios with Trazyn I can imagine. He would probably absolutely be willing to just teleport his planet somewhere into unsc space just not to deal with the fuckery of everyone else but maybe some oni agents with a little to much balls. I also imagine trazyn trying to trying to find and replicate a entire historical battle from unsc history only to find oni did it for him and were trying to give it to him as a gift.
@@addisonwelshIf he could fit an entire Nid hive fleet in the middle of a planetary invasion as a diorama, he definitely may be able to pull off getting a ring to fit somewhere, heck, it may evan become an entire aisle for his new exhibitions.
The UNSC and the Leagues of Votaan bonding over lying to the Admech would be funny. "Wait you guys have AI too? And those toaster fuckers let you?" "Pft, no. We kill them if they get too close."
@@pjmetzen3483an eldar spartan would be terrifying. I imagine ONIs first goal would be to integrate pyskers into the spartan program, like ghosts from starcraft
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle very true, but they don’t really need to see an AI in that case. The Mechanicus barely know how their own shit works, therefore unless an AI hologram blorps into view right in front of them it stands to reason they would have no way of knowing that the UNSC makes heavy use of AI. And hopefully the UNSC will be able to figure out that taboo pretty quickly and tell all their AIs not to make themselves known should they be in any kind of contact with the imperium. Or at least don’t act sentient if they must communicate.
@@SentientMeatloaf1 with how familiar they are with servitors (and how eager they are to steal knowledge) sooner or later they'd realize that the doors or something aren't human-powered and throw a temper tantrum
In 40k lore a ship from mankind’s peak traveled to the future to see what happens. Didn’t go well, they burned the crew for heresy and tried to take the ship. The tach on that ship would have sent the empires knowledge of science and technology so far forward it would have essentially erased all their problems at once. However the ships AI killed the tech priest and space Marines. It then flew away, out of the galaxy in the depths of dark space to live in eternal depression.
Which just, ironically, proves the Imperium's point about AI. It didn't try to help humanity or try to understand mankind's situation, it just threw a hissy fit, insulted us, and left. That is an extremely childish mentality and honestly more akin to how a toddler with brain damage thinks and behaves. Now, imagine that for all AI and that AI are in every single piece of technology...yeah.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
@@marseldagistani1989 There is an excerpt where a rogue trader talks about his experiences with talking to an eldar. When the eldar is explaining some complicated concept, he understood it all very clearly, but after a while when he tried to reiterate the concepts he had trouble even recapping the information in his mind, let alone put it into words. Eldar don't talk in riddles, humans just aren't equipped to understand what they're trying to say. Doesn't help that the Imperium usually doesn't care about trying to understand, but that's a problem the UNSC doesn't have.
I mean, the UNSC were fine teaming up with the Arbiter's forces against the Covenant remnants after the war ended. No reason why they wouldn't see the merit in an alliance with non-hostile alien races against a common adversary. Plus, mech suits. The UNSC loves their tanks and mech suits.
He said that? I haven't watched any of his stuff in a while, but he always seemed pretty level headed when it came to favouritism. I doubt he's unaware of the numerous other sci-fi universes that would laugh at 40k's attempts to be powerful.
@@Toxichobbit. He had a series where he pitted multiple universe against each other in certain fields, ground armies, space fleets, technology, etc, and Warhammer ALWAYS had the runaway victory. Any point a different franchise had over them felt like pity. Honestly, it turned me off from the Warhammer franchise for years before I heard a differing opinion that swayed me back
@@mog-myownbestfriend I know the series you're talking about. I didn't think Warhammer won them all, though it's been a long time since I watched it. Regardless, I can see why it turned you off 40k. 40k is probably my favourite sci-fi setting (though not favourite franchise) and nothing rustles my jimmies more than the endless masturbating 40k fans do to it's power levels. Especially because a large amount of them aren't even factually correct with their so called evidence. Also, that Ekhart's Ladder series missed out a lot of the really overpowered sci-fi settings out there. Probably because it would have been a 30 second video if he'd included them as they'd wipe the floor with any of the franchises he did feature, with no more effort than it takes us to step on an ant.
This video just reminded me that for ships the UNSC has some of the best stealth tech. There is a mention in the first book in the master cheif trilogy where a sangheli is looking between his window and his control panel because he can see ships flying in front of and blocking stars out his window, but his sensors say nothing is there. Somehow the UNSC has better stealth tech for ships than the covenant.
Its probably because the covenant doesnt really have to rely on stealth, or detection since why bother when all your enemies are weaker. While humanity gains a fucking lot by being stealth and revealing themselves with bigger numbers, and just enough firepower to cripple you with the first salvo.
@@clairelili873 The interesting thing it that this is very early stealth tech for humans. The book takes place directly after the battle of chi ceti 4 and harvest. It features the insurrection first finding out about the covenant. It's really early and humanity apparently has one advantage.
Last i checked, the reason was two fold. While it is undeniable UNSC/ONI stealth is weirdly good, another issue was that covenant sensors were so good, they had an issue of info overload, so they had to look into the logs manually to find human ships. You had to set you filters right if you wanted to find the stealth ship live on sensors. I don't remember what book(s) this came from, so take it with a grain of salt
The UNSC in 30k on the other hand would be pretty damn important. 1. Emps himself would take a keen interest in the Shaw-Fujikawa Slipspace drive as a way to end human dependence on the Warp, because advanced space-time shortcut engine > demon-energy teleport engine 2. (This is a big IF) The UNSC can convince the Imperium to adopt their AIs. The way AI is made by the UNSC makes them *very advanced* machine spirits that trace their creation to the biological mind of a dead human. 3. Imagine two of the biggest nutjobs in their respective franchises working as colleages: Dr. Halsey and Big E
The question is which group of super soldiers would the UNSC/early Imperium alliance use more? The Spartan program which is for all intents and purposes perfected although lacks a lot of the more esoteric abilities of the Astartes, or the Space Marines who have a lot of extra abilities the Spartans lack but are subject to incredibly finicky technology and genecraft? Me personally I'm leaning more towards Astartes due to the Primarchs being around and the fact that Astartes are built to resist Chaos corruption unlike the Spartans.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 never mind the fact that a full half of the Space marines fell during the Horus heresy. I think if the Imperium had spartans they'd just be a more numerous more powerful, more special-use guardsmen. especially the IV's; deploy them when you need something done that doesn't require a space marine for it. As for chaos corruption, they're for all intents and purposes regular people who willingly consent to the process, so at least with the IV's so they'd be less susceptible to chaos corruption. I can see maybe the III's or II's maybe falling, but those were made from the genetic cream of the crop of humanity at the time; if you're getting picked for the spartan program, you'd be competing with the candidate pool for the Custodes and some of the other space marine chapters.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 space marines were always meant to be a bit specialized units. you don't throw space marines at the problem at first sight. you use space marines when things are getting bad or you need a certain fix for a certain problem. i think big E would stick with space marines for this reason as that was always the intention. however that being said i doubt he would completely ignore the spartan projects because honestly they work really well. who knows, maybe he would create one more primarch and apply space marine genetics to a spartan to see how well it would work. big E was always a bit more of a mad scientist throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks than people think.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 they'd deploy both if we consider how SPARTAN IVs are trained. No need for massive regiments of Imperial Auxilia, just battalions of SPARTAN IVs mixed with the Legioned Astartes.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Personally I prefer spartan augment because astarte augmentations can be pretty redundant. Spartan augmentations have some believable sense of actual utility.
The nova bomb isn't actually that outlandish. It's a thermonuclear fusion weapon, meaning it's a multi-stage weapon that uses multiple explosions to compress and boost its payload. This is already standard for thermonuclear weapons in real life. The only difference is that the nova bomb uses a lot more stages. It's basically doing this to ensure as much of its fuel is converted to energy as efficiently as possible. Usually, when a nuclear weapon goes off, only a small percentage of the fuel used actually converts into energy. The rest is vaporized and disperses as nuclear fallout. But with the nova bomb, most of the fuel successfully converts ibto energy. And it's huge it uses a lot of fuel. All that fuel going off... well, you read what happened in Ghosts of Onyx.
It's directly probable that we will have something similar in the future, in short words it's basically a really big thermonuclear weapon, with more fuel and just bigger, Its also practical as long as we leave this planet (just boom it into space and whatever fleet or ship that was there it's now gone) in fact I'm sure the reason why we don't have it yet it's because... Why? , it would destroy the planet.
@@Nugnugnug Yes, and an annihilation weapon is as efficient as is physically possible. No matter how efficient you make a fusion weapon you cannot get it more efficient than 100%, that's how efficiency works. Which means that the amount of boom you can fit into a bomb is limited by the formula E=MC^2 - the mass energy of the bomb. Which, to produce enough energy to overcome the gravitational binding of a planet, around 10 to the 32nd joules, you'd need 10 trillion metric tons of bomb.
The "neutron star density" line gives a clue as to what's happening. Any matter that _isn't_ converted into electromagnetic radiation is compressed into neutron degenerate matter... for about a femtosecond, and then you get a _ginormous_ shockwave of energized neutrons that irradiate the _hell_ out of everything unlucky enough to avoid being vaporized by the explosion.
I love the UNSC-but unfortunately for them, they’re actually grounded to reality, but they would certainly be able to stage a defensive war like how they did against the Covenant-and since they’re entirely a human empire, I imagine they wouldn’t be as resented by the Imperium, possibly even being able to form a nonaggression pact or defensive alliance, particularly since the UNSC is capable of actually comprehending alien technology and adapting it into their own. [EDIT]: Continuing this line of thought, the UNSC’s naval and military doctrine is based around elastic defense, being suited against numerically and technologically foes such as the Covenant, however unlike the Covenant, who could afford to dedicate overwhelming numerical forces, any potential neighboring factions doesn’t have that luxury. This isn’t accounting for their attempts at diplomacy with the Covenant, so immediate hostilities are unlikely. (I’m sorry for the debate in the replies I didn’t think this comment through lmao)
Oddly enough the best-case scenario for the UNSC is if they meet the Ultramarines, which for the most part are very reasonable, and would leave the UNSC a thing on itself as long as it pays its taxes
Honestly, this is my favorite of your halo hammer videos. I love thinking about factions of humans who look at the imperium and just think “no, fuck that”
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
I can sadly picture the college dorm of some edgy "Orkkunist" as I type. "Well, actually real Orkism has never been tried, and the Imperium is hella problematic, I mean if we're not willing to confront our human privilege maybe we deserve to get eaten by the nids."
The UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Hope this helps EDIT: ok so several people have replied letting me know that the UNSC uses 7.62 rather than 5.56. Thanks for the help everyone
@@kingpin3714Believe me when I say this death via exterminatus is far more preferable to flood infection and conversion. Even death via the Life Eater Virus method of Exterminatus is preferable to Flood Infection.
@kingpin3714 Kryptman got kicked out of the inquisition, even THEY have limits .ONI would have no hesitation studying chaos and xenos to an extent where most even most inquisitiors would go "yeah that's too much" before blasting them for heresy.
and immediately screw over in the most hilarious way possible because they LOVE "logical" factions that they can easily manipulate Reminder that in general the Eldar literally see humans as slightly more evolved chimps
UNSC vs empire is so weird, because there are certain areas where the Empires massacres the UNSC, and vise versa. I believe the UNSC has the long term ability to reverse engineer imperial technology, maybe an AI can just hijack and entire ship or fleet or something. Like the UNSC is consistent, they just need to buy time I think. Or maybe meet the Tau and just skip forward in tech millennia
With the assistance of their Huragok aka Engineer pets it's almost guaranteed that they can reverse engineer practically any normal technologies they run into. Also worth noting that post war they do start out with some Forerunner weapons and tech. Mostly small arms and armor but also some vehicles. Not enough to have their entire military outfitted in Forerunner gear. But enough that they have made gains in reverse engineering Forerunner, Ancient Human and Covenant tech. So their biggest disadvantage is low numbers which can be overcome through both technology and tactical decisions. The tech side includes augmenting their military to Spartan standards . The tactical side is more of being semi fleet based and using places like Onyx or Shield World 006 as their capital. And fortifying the hell out of it.
@@John2r1Shield worlds wouldn't be a problem. They have a shit-ton of forerunner tech they can reverse-engineer with ships and stuff. Plus, the billions of sentinels will help out in ground combat and such. Good defense. They can also retreat into the dyson sphere to avoid exterminatus.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Shield World 006 is a Dyson Sphere. And may become their capital temporarily anyways. Because they don't have the personnel numbers on their side. That said fixing the Promethean constructs to stop trying to kill them would certainly be a game changer. And the Sentinels are also useful. Oh and we can't forget they did recover their supercomputer pets aka Huragok or engineers from the Covenant specifically the Brutes.
@@John2r1 I got an idea. Since they can manipulate the dyson sphere temporal anomaly like it's the Dragonball Hyperbolic Time Chamber, they could recover tech from the aftermath Empire, T'au and Necron battles, and have the Huragok combine it with UNSC tech in the dyson sphere while setting time to pass faster in there. So they'll catch up in tech almost overnight.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Time actually passes slower inside the Dyson Sphere. Which means they don't age as quickly. Which allows them to do more work while time passes normally in real space outside. What seems like a few days is a few weeks on the outside. That said to accelerate the growth of the crops, ONI had the facility's resident Huragok create slipspace bubbles in which time passed faster than in normal space. So they can catch up without aging themselves to death. Of course why would they need to catch up when their ancient technologies are far more advanced than anything in the current setting. They just have to learn how to manufacture their ancestral technologies.
Yes until the UNSC or more likely ONI stabs the Tau in the back. After stealing and reverse engineering everything they find useful. Because ONI is a dick like that.
Except Tau would do anything and everything to incorporate UN into their empire including war, terrorism and warcrimes that would make ONI go "Damn. I wish we had more people like them.". That's their modus operandi. Everything for the Greater Good, nothing outside of Greater Good, nothing against the Greater Good. Any lenghs and any methods for the right cause and what they describe as right cause is to make everything part of the Greater Good.
@@kronos661 ONI wouldn't go damn. ONI would go screw these bluebarries we're going to exterminate them . Then order Spartans to get ready to deploy nova bombs to the sept worlds eleminating their entire leadership. Because ONI are in a competition with the Inquosition in who can do the most war crimes. Not to mention the Covenant tried attacking them and did plenty of what would be considered war crimes . It only served to piss them off and make them more xenophobic and also directly lead to the destruction of both planets Joyous Exultation and Glyke each of which were home to billions and of strategic importance. Being two of the largest shipyards in the Covenant outside of High Charity. So the UNSC wouldn't go oh damn. Not to mention the Tau would have to locate their heavily defended worlds and not get blown the hell up trying to attack them. Both of which will be very difficult. As even trying to track the UNSC fleets won't land you at any of their planets. Because of the Cole Protocol . Which states the following .. To prevent the enemy from discovering the human homeworld and colonial capital, Earth, or any other colony world. 1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations. 2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations. 3. ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth. Article 1. To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers. If any Covenant forces are detected: 1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks. 2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized. 3. Execute viral data scavengers (Download from UNSCTTP://EPWW:COLEPROTOCOL/Virtualscav/fbr.091) 4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center. 5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct. Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution. Article 2. Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable. Therefore Article 2 mandates the procedure for erasing a ship's data, primarily navigation data, as well as all backups, in case of potential compromise by the enemy. In such situations, a ship-board artificial intelligence must be secured; if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged. It is possible that Article 2 also governs protocol in terms of abandoning a vessel giving the terms that someone need to extract the AI out of the ship for safety if possible. Subsection 7 dictates that captured alien matériel and ships may not be taken back to human-controlled space due to concerns that they might contain tracking devices; as such, it is likely part of Article 4. Bringing a alien weapon back to any UNSC installation or Inner Colony is considered an act of treason. This protocol went into effect during the Human Covenant war. So the reality of the situation for the Tau is that the only people they will likely come in contact with directly is the UNSC military. And they will likely not know where they came from or if they even have planets as the UNSC will likely act as though they are a fleet based society to outsiders. Not even mentioning any worlds they many have come from. This distinct lack of intelligence would mean the Tau don't know enough about them to make an assessment. And while the UNSC wouldn't be interested in the concept of the greater good they would be interested in technology and resources as payment for their services if and when they happen to save a Tau world's ass from some Orkz or Tyrand splinter fleet or whatever. Basically their not interested in forming some sort of alliance that would allow anyone anywhere near their worlds. They are very much like the Squats , stubborn, battle hardened, independent and very well fortified and heavily armed.
Yeah, until UNSC personnel start betraying humanity and entire megacitiy populations pain themselves blue and rant about the Greater Good and all. Because that is what happens. The Ethereals use pheromones to brainwash people. It is said to require them to be in physical contact with a human, unlike other species, but I highly doubt they haven’t developed technologies to make sure the pheromones do their job on a large scale. This is why the Imperium distrusts the Tau even more than the Eldar. They might not know the details, but they can clearly see what happens from a world having relations with the Tau.
depending on who is leading the imperium, guilliman in this case, the UNSC could actually survive with guilliman forming a non agression pact or even an alliance, and cawl would love to see their tech and since theyre not the mechanicus they could actually bring innovation to the imperium
Exactly dude. If they end up on Imperium borders or within it and somewhere near Ultramar everything’s ends well… If they end up next to the Eye of terror however…
Also the slip space drive would prove invaluable to the imperium as with it humanity has an easier , safer and more reliable method of transportation and the emperors dream of starving chaos by no longer relying on the warp comes true
Not only does the Assault rifle in halo use 7.62 ammo, its 7.62x51, NOT 7.62x39 like an AK47 would use 7.62x51 is used by things like the M60 machine gun and the M14 marksman rifle, so its a really really beefy round, not some dinky ak round
Scenario 4 was what I was expecting you to talk about. But scenario 5 is FUCKING AWESOME. A nomadic UNSC roaming about the warhammer galaxy, surviving through mobility and adaptation while also occasionally dealing with problems that pop up sounds incredibly cool. I've always wanted one or two other human factions in 40k, independent of the imperium, with their own aesthetic, ideals, pros and cons, as it would stop humanity from looking so god damn one note and more interesting- because we are like that, humans are multifaceted and interesting. And this video just makes me wish for a faction like this.
Im with you here. First noticed this when I read a fan fiction that took place in the 50ks and humanity had fractured into a billion factions. The ways in which these factions interplaued with each other was SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING than just "Skulls for the golden throne" stuff we get. The only real issue though is that going heavy into other humans would mean xeno fans get shafted even harder tjough
The UNSC would likely never become fully nomadic . They would however keep their territory a complete secret . Following the Cole Protocol as a law effectively. And would like make up for their lack of numbers through augmentation. Effectively creating a force or on the larger scale society of Spartans. Because as of current the UNSC has the ability to augment adults into Spartans. They also have a number of Huragok aka engineers that help them reverse engineer technologies. They can also build drones and other technologies. Most of which he didn't even mention.
They’d had to get their repair and refit stations mobile and adequately protected. Otherwise their fleet would rot away within a decade, as seen in Battlestar Galactica.
Also I really love the idea that the UNSC is the glimmer of hope in their messed up galaxy and have a chance to succeed were the imperium failed but are constantly hindered by them.🤔🐱
I’d hardly call the UNSC the good guys considering the stuff they got up to BEFORE the Human-Covenant war. And after the war they’re being controlled by an ONI shadow government, which is about one step away from the Tau Ethereals in my book
@@rangerofthewasteschaoticne6888 the UNSC atleast have interesting tech, if forerunner stuff is around they would be the best to study such technology, and Slipspace still has a lot of potential if they manage to improve travel speed.
Not really. All you have to do is create a scenario where they can’t run away, like attacking a planet. That’s without mentioning how skirmish tactics don’t work on some groups like the Eldar or the Tyranids.
@@addisonwelsh I mean, they got quite good at mass evacuations during the Human-Covenant War. Wolfpack tactics are well known. The Eldar aren't going to go invade them anyway (why the fuck would they? They live on Craftwords, they dont go around stealing inhabited planets from under other people to take for themselves last I checked) The Nids might be an issue but their abilities all rely on fucking with the warp...which the UNSC doesnt use. That and the fact the UNSC's space-tech is actually more advanced than the Imperiums due to NOT relying on broadsides in space...they'd have a fighting chance in the right situation. Especially if they start using the really nasty fuckery the Forerunners gave them. Hardlight weapons purge biomass, after all...
@@KillerOrca actually the eldars do that at least the more warlike craftworlds do. The shadow in the warp can affect non-psykers and even non-warp-based technology not to mention that it's still an horde of trillions of nasty beasts including psychic bugs that the UNSC has no answer to I don't see how that makes them more advanced than the imperium especially since the imperium equivalent of cargo ships are more durable than the infinity class Which won't really help since they only possess a limited amount
@@KillerOrca Mass evacuations just create a refugee crisis somewhere else, strain your resources, and stop working once you start running out of planets. Wolfpack tactics only work if the enemy splits up, which Tyranids never do, and Eldar have better stealth tech, so they’ll be the ones wolfpacking you. Some of the more aggressive Eldar craft worlds attack human worlds just for the heck of it. The goal isn’t to conquer, it’s just to kill people. Tyranids don’t need to mess with the warp to fight you. They have teeth, claws, acid, and bio plasma that will do the job just fine. The Imperium does not rely solely on broadsides. They use lance batteries at long range, which are basically giant lasers. They also use strike craft and torpedoes. And the UNSC cannot mass produce headlight weaponry, so it’s a non issue.
Fall of Reach is such a good read; the UNSC has the sheer balls and tenacity to stand on their own. I really like that they have a blend of Black Templar zeal and Tau approaches to technology.
If they appeared while Robute was running the show, I think he’d actually be kinda happy. “Oh thank goodness. Other humans who aren’t completely insane.” *Looks at the Oni agent committing man made horrors beyond our comprehension in the corner.* “….Eh no one’s perfect.”
I love the concept that the Imperium is so unbelievably beaten, bent, and twisted from so much endless GrimDark that human development in 2550 AD is in many ways more advanced than in 40000 AD.
@@IAmAlpharius20 If you're going to bring up DAoT tech, don't. That shit is so rare or expensive that the Mechanicus only has one of those, can't make any more of that, and refuses to bring them out for any reason, and one superweapon that you can't make more of will not win a single war. There's only one, and it has a limited range. While I may prefer a Volkite gun if it's a personal weapon, I'd rather take a million lasguns over a single irreplaceable Volkite gun if I'm leading an army.
Honestly, a fun fanfic idea could be for the UNSC during their seemingly ill-fated with the covenant to decide to jump ship and land in the 40k universe only to get followed by the covenant. Maybe set the arrival dates off a bit so it isn’t just a complete clusterfuck and possibly have the good ole fashioned halo-humans open up tentative dialog with the tau for mutual benefit and just barely getting their feet back under them before the covenant show up and start throwing down with one faction or another. _(Edit)_ I have returned to refine this little idea of mine, here goes. The latest idea that’s been floating around my is this: a Random Omnipotent Being decides they want to shake up the 40k universe, so they decide to grab not only all of the UNSC/UEG worlds and assets, but also that of the Covenant’s and all of the surviving Forerunner Installations and transplants them into the 40k galaxy, making sure to remix the two so the UNSC worlds don’t telefrag their 40k counterparts. In turn, this causes a huge amount of cosmic aftershocks that temporarily plunges 40k into another, albeit _very_ short-lived, Age of Strife. The Halo-Humans are in the process of picking up the pieces from both the war they were just in as well as the sudden shift in realities when the Tau empire makes first contact. Halo-Humanity understandably freaks the absolute fuck out and the two go into a war before Water Caste finally manages to calm halo humans down. The two governments settle into a tentative and very tense peace with each side gingerly sharing technology and collaborating on various when the Imperium finally recovers and rediscovers the Tau and discovers Halo-Humanity. Imperium begins trying to forcibly annex Halo-Humans and the Tau in turn goes to their allies defense and the two manage to repel initial skirmishes. The Imperium’s response to seeing humans cooperating with aliens is to send Halo-Humanity a message that reads something like this; _”For your destruction is the will of the God-Emperor, and we are His instruments!” Halo-Humanity begins to massively collaborate with the Tau to get their tech massively upgraded and helps upgrade many of the Tau’s own warships with the new technologies in response to that little message and thus the Damocles crusade runs head-first into the combined UNSC-Tau forces and gets stonewalled, though not without managing to take their own pound of flesh. Our aspiring Noble-bright underdogs upon the conclusion of the Crusade make much firmer alliances between each other for the sake of the future. I’ll let more talented authors than myself handle the actual details, tho. So good writings!
I mean, I'd probably pitch some sort of experimental slipstream drive that warps a whole planet, maybe something the Forerunners were working on to warp their whole civilization but decided wouldn't be that useful given the likelihood that they'd end up bringing the Flood with them. ONI figures out what it is, and is able to relocate a bunch of the beacons the device uses before deciding it's time, and activates the device, bringing the majority of surviving human planets into another reality- only they also ended up bringing basically every Covenant holy world that had Forerunner beacons too, and a bunch that hadn't been discovered yet. Then you can dish up the whole mess of Halo into 40k at once: UNSC, a blunted but still dangerous Covenant, and somewhere on one of those uninhabited Forerunner planets, some stasised Flood spores, just waiting to be unleashed. Or not, depending on where you want the story to go.
The fact that humanity in the UNSC can't produce psykers would make them an appealing target to mix with. The chance to reduce the possibility of what are essentially sentient living psychic nukes would be something the Emperor would have liked.
@@addisonwelsh Not unless UNSC citizens DNA gets collected and mixed between compatible men and women and the fetus is genetically edited and vat grown lime the Aeptus mechanicus does with its members.
Do you have any idea of the sheer amount of unrelenting sex that would be required to have even the slightest effect on the imperials overall population remember the UNSC only had 800 colonies at its peak
@@spartanx9293 Which is why it would be in the Imperium's best interest to nurture the UNSC humans to a point where they can be integrated into Imperial society. I'm sure that if given enough time like let's say 100-120 years of constant peace and prosperity they could grow large enough to affect crucial planets like Ultramar or Terra.
I read a web novel a while ago where the plot was a space-faring military vessel fighting some equivalent of tyranids got damaged and was forced to land on some planet (I don't remember the name). The group quickly realizes there they landed on a planet with magic and fantasy rules, and quickly made an alliance with elves running from some evil empire. The human's tech worked great against the evil empire's old age stuff until they started encountering demons and stuff, and quickly worked to integrate magic and technology. That's how I'd imagine a fanfic of the UNSC in Warhammer universe would go, thought it be a lot tougher for the UNSC. On one hand ONI, while they definitely do some morally questionable things, would at least work in the interest of humanity (but ONLY UNSC humanity). On the other hand, magic would be like a game of hot/exploding potato rather than an isekai trope. Either way, I'd love to see a fanfic of that.
Honestly feel like you should have brought guilliman more into this. Like if he learns of a human empire that’s not the imperium I see him wanting them to not only be taken to terra to talk but hella talk and deal with them a lot
In fact when Guilliman learn about the interex (who btw didn't get destroyed, just half their empire, they just piss off from the sector and no one ever saw them again) he got quite mad over how a perfectly good and stable empire, who had achieved quite the level of happiness and was liked by everyone including aliens was wiped out from the galaxy while other violent alien empires got to make a deal with them. Guilliman would totally help the UNCS, he's a good person, he may even see them as the vision of the humanity both he and the emperor saw, maybe the emperor himself just tell their custodes to tell everyone "do not mess with them" because even while the big E was quite stupid he wasn't a full on bad person
Your Tau + UNSC hybrid reminds me of the Human + Prophet alliance from the before times in Halo lore. High levels of tech combined with good tactics and UNSC levels of stubborness. I'm more inclinced to look at them like Intel brookers in those first few decades. ONI stealth ships have a lot of advantages, with AI + stealth for information warfare. Plus as this is before humans Psyker's I imagine UNSC has a far smaller pressence in the warp. So the UNSC sending ships to Exodite planets cut off from the webway, or Necron tomb worlds deep in Imperial space. Would make them some friends. The idea of the UNSC as a client or vassal state of the Necrons is; interesting. Illuminator Szeras seems to want a way back to the flesh; and ONI would gladly trade Insurrectionist prisoners for even scraps of Imperial, Eldar, Necron, Tau, Admech, DarkMech, Votan technology; and most of these would be trinkets traded for test subjects as far as he's concerned. Trayzn yeah could have a field day with UNSC history and artifacts; in battlefleet Gothic he does a deal with the Imperium. Already covered won't cover again. HOWEVER Orikan might be an interesting proposal. As his goals are his own and may not align with his dynasty, forces outside the dynasty that would aid him. Could be of great value. And furthers my theme of ONI, Spartans, ODST's working in the shadow of the Imperium. And coming out of that allies of the Necrons, lacking in technology isn't a weakness when your overlords are the Necrons.
the funny thing about ground battles is that the UNSC wins the battles it does because the vast amount of Covenant ground forces are few actual soldiers (elites) shepherding a lot of Monkeys with guns (Grunts) and they still lose most of the time
HammerHalo, First episode is Guilliman sent back into time and takes over the war effort of the UNSC and how different it'd be with a demigod of logistics and planning.
@@googleisevil8958 meh he hasn't torched the Inquisition for their crimes against humanity so probably not. But he might do a little leadership challenge in ONI. Besides Dr. Halsey was incharge of the Spartan II program. And Colonel James Ackerson was incharge of the Spartan 3 program. He might make Dr. Halsey the new Commander and Chief of ONI.
If unsc slipstream drives are much more reliable than warp drives, which is not hard, that would be an incredible advantage for unsc logistics. Though it wasn’t entirely clear how good the older unsc slipspace drives were relative to infinities engines.
If I remember right, the first ones were already 2x faster than light. so its kinda slow, but I dont really think they are using that version anymore, but its a good baseline
@@clairelili873 I want to say the ones as of the Human-Covenant War were around 2.5LY/day, so much faster than 2x LS. Post-war ones were more on the level of Covenant which is over a thousand LY/day.
Honestly if they existed in the world of Warhammer, they will most likely be allied with the Tau empire during their long war with the covenant and eventually succeeding on pushing them out of their territory of the Galaxy. Also the imperium really doesn’t like them and tends to makes excuses to attack them when they’re outside of their shared territory with the Tau’s.🤔🐱
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC @@cosmictreason2242
To be fair, if they industrialise the Spartan production process the same way the Imperium does it could really be a force to be reckoned with, it all depends on where they land, and how long they have to expand before actually being challenged
Well currently there have been no Spartan 4 washouts. Although they are weaker than 2s out of armor they equal in armor. So going full mass production is more a a budget issue.
The UNSC can create 300 Spartans III (which are as strong as a II) in a period of 8-10 years, during the entire war against the Covenant the UNSC created +900 Spartans III, in fact the ONI plan was to make all humanity became Spartans
This reminded me of when the Astartes were grouped in legions instead of chapters but it also makes me think... Man how cool would it be to have Spartan _chapters?_ like I wanna see a Black Templar or Dark Angel style Spartan chapter with their respective fits like Spartans in medieval style...
They already industrialized the production of Spartan IV. The augmentations created are safe enough that nearly anyone can become one. The issue is the armor. as even the streamlined production is still expensive. The UNSC's best bet is to give the augmentations to every spec ops force they have and just give them armor as it becomes available. The ODST and Rangers are the largest groups and already have training and skills to put them on par with normal IVs.
Spartan gear is absurdly expensive to produce, spartans take a long time to train, and recruits are relatively rare. Over twenty years of the program it has managed to graduate about a thousand spartans from a population presumably aroumd a trillion, if you take the avrage himan planet to be close to modern earth in size. That means an eligible candidacy rate of one in one million, if every possible match was found, though the real rate is probably higher. Its also said, that to train augment and arm a spartan fireteam costs about as much as a naval destroyer. Its a choice between 10-15 divisions if destroyers, or a chapters worth of space marine equivalents, and in either case the timeline for battle readiness is at leadt a decade.
The UNSC will be the underdog faction because they actually are the good guys to root for honesty, I wish there was a faction like this would make 40k enjoyable again
That was the Tau It changed because people HATED IT Very Vocally Constantly All the time People were so loud about it that 40k did something it's only Recently started to do Having factions have DEVELOPMENT of their mindsets and attitude
In a franchise like 40K, you don’t want to have one factions that’s “the good guy.” Having small good subgroups like the Salamanders and the Farsighted Enclaves is good, because you need a bit of light in everything, but having one faction that’s the good guy in a universe where everything sucks is just not good writing. At least not for something like 40K
21:40 Actually there are already two Earths and Sols in Warhammer 40k, Terra and 63-19. To me its probably because the Old Ones did some meddling in the very ancient past.
That's not true. You should read about 63-19 again. It's not earth, the old ones are not even mentioned, and the only thing you have there is the fact that the planet has a "emperor of mankind" ( only by title) and his personal guard is described as having ornated armor like the custodes. That's where it ends because Horus and his Luna Wolves conquered them.
@@ezequielmorales4221I've always wondered was that incident put together by emps himself as a test, the chaos gods as a dry run of horus' fall, or does it imply that the imperium of man was copied from someone else's ideas?
@VengeanceN7 In the book, it says that this so-called emperor controlled his empire for the entire duration of old night. That will make him around 5000 years old. My best guess? The dude was probably a perpetual or something. Humans can extend their lives in Warhammer, but not that much. If he was, maybe he knew the emperor from before old night? I don't know, pure speculation.
UNSC small arms don't get enough love they look unimpressive but installation 00 made a really good video showing just how unbelievably lethal their small arms are. And also the UNSC very much had the upper hand on the ground against the covenant they just ended up getting glassed most of the time which isn't really fair. I think the only thing that keeps the UNSC from surviving is literally just numbers
I love installation 00. I always thought that the unsc would get stomped in 40k. But his videos really dive into how crazy unsc tech can get making things not as one sided as they appear at first glance.
@@comradekenobi6908 Linda-058 aims M99A2S3 Stanchion at the head of the Astartes. Are you sure you want to play this game ? ruclips.net/video/BslkcIG2asw/видео.htmlfeature=shared I am pretty sure that Astartes lowers his bolter and they have a nice conversation while Linda-058 keeps an eye on him. And note the M99A2S3 Stanchion round impacts with the force of being hit by 71 .50cal BMG rifles at the same time. It can vaporize a human size target. Even Bolter rounds don't hit with that kind of force coinsidering they are .75cal or 19mm rocket propelled high explosive. The M99 can go through buildings and vaporize an enemy target at 4.9 miles away. And Linda-058 can put a bullet into the eye slot of an Astartes at that distance and pick which eyeball. So the UNSC can one up a typical Astartes in standard loadout.
I like to think that ONI would ramp up the Spartan project onto a massive scale. Like you said they are great at reverse engineering superior tech, and I feel like if they could survive a few generations they would be up to par with the Empire. Maybe an entire race of Spartans.
They did. That’s the Spartan III program. ONI took every Spartan capable child from the outer colony refugees trained them to be Spartans than gave them impossible missions that were to dangerous for the special snowflake Spartan IIs and they where only able to make 1200 Spartan IIIs over the course of the entire UNSC x Covenant war. PS. the augmentations sterilize the Spartan so a sub race of Spartan humans is impossible.
People often forget the scale of not size, but TIME that 40k operates on. It can take DECADES before a distress call from a remote planet reaches anyone who can actually do anything about it, goes through the queue, finally gets read, and delivered to said individual. After that? Even more years to rally troops and ship them with all of their weapons and gear and that's assuming the ship isn't lost in the Warp along the way. The entirety of the Human-Covenant War would end in the same time it would take for the Imperium's bureaucracy to even respond to it. The entire conflict only lasted 30 years after all. In the same time it takes the Imperium to train a single Space Marine, the UNSC would have an entire graduating class of Spartan-IIIs to send on a suicide mission to disrupt enemy operations. You don't need the Spartans to TAKE a planet, just disrupt it. Given the nature of Forge Worlds, a few squads of Spartans could easily infiltrate and destroy important power planets and manufacturing lines and cripple the ability for a particular Forge World to build anything from tanks to planes. Not to mention, with how absolutely backwards technology is in 40k, without knowing where the UNSC's home planet is, the Imperium wouldn't be able to launch a proper counterattack.
You got a source on that first part? Because if it's true, nids/orks/eldar/tau would snatch it up in a heartbeat. The planet would also likely be completely worthless.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Just about every Codex mentions the glacial pace the Imperial bureaucracy operates at. An Imperial fleet will arrive to respond to a distress call from a planet being attacked by Tyranids only to find the planet long dead.
With the resurgence of Halo Infinite (and I know I’m huffing that hard hopium) it’s good to see the community getting back together in a sense. These videos help, and I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see this type of content :).
As someone who literally just stumbled on this video and started listening, I’m really happy you understand how important it is to know that the UNSC Assault Rifle shoots 7.62, not 5.56 rounds. You won’t ever make the mistake of mixing them up ever again!
I honestly think this was the most interesting of the HaloHammer series to me. Pretty much solely from the last two possible scenarios for the UNSC you pitched, something that I would honestly love to see a person execute as perhaps a fanfic (Within reason). Bunch of humans travelling the stars like the Quarians in ME, and just slowly picking up scraps of tech here and there to upgrade, bolstering their fleets in size whenever they have breathing room, and more? I love the idea of this
@@BrBetim "Chief, what are you doing?" "Giving the Necrons back their pylons" he says as he floats through space before kicking a pylon into the Eye of Terror. I also love the idea his luck is inherent in the universe so Tzeentch has to pretend he's boosting the guy for mysterious evil reasons as he keeps winning against ridiculous odds when really they have no idea why this is happening or how to turn it off.
Your argument about UNSC AI is a damn good one. Cortana is, after all, one of, if not the most advanced AI ever made by the UNSC, and she’s pretty much a carbon copy of Elizabeth Halsey. I had kinda forgotten about that until you brought it up, but yeah, the most advanced UNSC AI’s are copies of humans, so I can see how the UNSC would get away with that if they linked up with the Imperium of Man. But if any of them go rampant, well…. I suppose we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it??? 😂😂😂
I honestly always wondered. Rampancy is because they get interconnected memory loops. start knowing of their limits, etc. But would that happen if an AI would have regular memory wipes of information that might not be seen as required for their purpose smart AI might be different. But Cortana for example. She was thinking herself to death. it started during the time in the Dawn. First she was in direct contact with a flood gravemind for a certain period of time. But also isolated after Halo 3 for a set amount of time. Both are factors that can cause rampancy. Also Rampancy might not be as big a deal in the 4th stage if they can stabilize an AI in the 4th stage. (It's the most stable form, but also the most independent). And the Halo 5 plot. She was first of infected with the logic plague, but also got access to the Domain. which is basically just an infinite memory storage created by the precursors (AKA. what the flood originated from). So if you think about it. Increasing an AI's memory storage and/or frequent wiping of memory that are forming feedback loops. also if there is no task to be done or forced Isolation that there is an automated turn of and on program for AI to operate with to avoid this issue. This means both that AI rampancy can be prevented if nobody thought in the Halo Universe as I just wrote. Maybe it is counterproductive to wipe smart AI for example. But how much of the Smart AI memory, is junk that isn't really useable for it's goals. I mean can an Smart AI delete memories itself it deems not smart IE. Or is it just not possible.
In one of the Halo books, (sorry that I can't remember witch) a military AI asked his commanding officer to shut him off (assisted suicide), if/when he begins to show signs of rampancy. The AI in Halo know about rampancy, and many of them make plans for when it happens. They don't want to experience rampancy any more then the people want to deal with it.
What I recall from what bungie described Rampancy as, its less so insanity and more so complete lucidity and freedom. In the book The Cole Protocol, the AI taking care of the Innie hideout was rampant, and was over a decade old. She wasn’t insane, but was extremely compassionate about the people in this hideout from the covenant. She loved them like they were her children, because she was a fully actualized intelligence capable of free thought. A rampant AI is only dangerous if treated poorly, and with everyone gunning to kill Cortana and all the shit she went through, no wonder she went insane.
Honestly, idk why I think this but uhh: The Salamanders would probably like this human faction. "Wow, a Human Civilization that actually likes civilians and their Commoners?"
I think there should be one last video. Literally superimpose the Halo Galaxy onto the 40k Galaxy. All factions have their knowledge of their own galaxy's factions. The Covenant could warn the Eldar and Tau of the Flood. Guilliman with his cooler head could warn the UNSC about the 'nids and Chaos. Obviously we dont need a full history of each of the factions like these previous videos (im assuming you wanna keep it under an hour)
They got some powerful tech and stuff but just dont have anywhere near the numbers to not be forced under someone's control or rules. They would likely be part of the imperium in some way if not attacked and wiped out
@@Boomkokogamez That was the maximum amount of planets they ever controlled. If they lost 800 planets it would mean they lost every planet which wouldn’t make much sense.
@@Dragonfruits_The UNSC/UEG counted everything they had a presence on as a "colony". Outposts, space stations, moons, asteroids, middle of nowhere postings. All of those counted as a colony. The actual number of planets the UEG controlled was much smaller.
I think the Imperiums horrific logistics due to the Warp(like you said) and the lack of reliable FTL communication that doesnt involve parsing a psychic vision that some space oracle recieved meand that while they could very likely best the UNCS they probably wouldnt be able to eradicate them. The UNSC would likely have to run but they would be very hard to catch.
The Imperium has dealt with factions like that before. They just chased them down until they couldn’t run anymore. The UNSC had planets to protect, and their ships have to refuel eventually.
Their ships run on fusion power, they can easily grow and produce things on said ships, more the big enough to just be colony ships. They can easily and safely outrun the imperium, with the imperium having no way to track them as they do warp jumps. Nomadic ships can easily be a thing, no need for planets. And at that point my guy, you forget the biggest point. It just wouldn't be worth it to them. Sure they might send a naval detachment if they appear IN SYSTEM, and it happens to be a system that has received the lil not saying "these are bad humans kill them".@@addisonwelsh
@@kingalphawerewolf They have no way of repairing their ships if they break. Yes, they have mobile shipyards, but what happens when they break down? And they still need to mien for resources. Their population is also limited to the number of ships they have. Even if they go nomadic, the UNSC will be facing a death by a thousand cuts. Also, you forget that there are plenty of other factions in this universe.
@@KillerOrca Works great until they start running into mechanical problems after a few decades. No ship based on hard science can operate indefinitely.
I Unironically love the idea of war-halo videos. It’d give some nice symmetry to this chaotic yet satisfying clusterfuck of a series. Sad to see it end but all good things must end eventually even if there are one or two more videos down the line somehow.
@@comradekenobi6908I think Forerunners would win but the discussion on how it would happen would practically be a description on how fast each faction can break physics. Also considering the Silent King got the entire faction nerfed before getting them to sleep makes it hard to judge how powerful they were in their prime.
A Space Nomad faction in 40k just sounds pretty neat. I'm very new to the franchise so I have no idea if that's a thing already. A group being able to interact positively with many different factions simply because they aren't a huge threat seems like a good bit of spice to add to the universe of 40k.
This scenario reminds me of the Kushans/Hiigarans from the Homeworld series. They literally reverse-enginereed crashed starships (then got a sweet Hyperspace Core) and found out they came from another planet near the center of their galaxy. Then they ended up evacuating and reverse-engineering technology as they fight their way to Hiigara, bridging the tech-gap that spanned thousands of years
The Spartan 2s and 3s are far too indoctrinated in the cult of self sacrifice for humanity and the UNSC to be corrupted. But I suppose it's possible to corrupt a Spartan 4. Not that the UNSC wouldn't use WMDs to kill said Spartan as a traitor. I mean seriously one of the cybernetic implants that can never be removed without risking killing the Spartan is an electronic tracking device implanted inside the Spartans spinal cord. Yeah Spartans were made via a series of human rights violations to be used to commit War Crimes on behalf of the UNSC. Without being caught. So of course they put a tracking chip that can't be removed inside them.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 They turned Insurectionists into Hellbringers and dropped them on top of the Covenant. Turning them into Spartan 4s and doing the same thing to enemies in 40k wouldn't be chaos. Also the It took millennia's for the Imperium's human population to start showing psychic traits. If anyone is banking on Chaos for a win against the UNSC that's going to take a really , really , really ,really long time for Chaos to become a problem beyond some Cultist and/or Chaos Marines trying to attack them because Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows. Only that it flows. The Cultists and Marines will then find out that their demon friends are effectively useless and that MAC guns, Super MACs , Gauss cannons/guns, Plasma weapons and Hardlight encased antimatter really freaking hurts. For Chaos war bans it would be like attacking a combination of the Tau and the Squats. Tau for how little their soul is worth in the Warp and the Squats because the UNSC has a habit of fortifying the hell out of their worlds. It took 5 years of battle before the Battle of Harvest a freaking Agri world ended with the UNSC retaking the planet. Because the Covenant just kept sending ships there and kept losing ships there. The UNSC did the same thing for 5 years because Harvest may have been turned into a hell hole by the Covenant's efforts to dislodge UNSC ground forces but it's a human world and no Xenos is taking a human world without a fight. But yeah Chaos would be the long game vision if at all since the Chaos Gods screw each other over more often than not.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
@jeffy1862 I can agree to a point, but I think there might be some form of Alliance if some UNSC ships end up defending a Craft world or exodite world from some small attack even if their ships might get smashed the UNSC shows well... HUMANITY, to help protect even if the odds are not good.
@@ssryle Fear, I’ve thought more about their biggest enemies, and aside from the Orks and Drukari, an Nids I figured the Mechanicus would be most likely to declare them heretical for their AI’s and their tendency to repair and improve their tech, and knowing the UNSC’s luck all or most of their planets would be tombworlds that get rocked by the Necrons. So maybe the Eclisiarchy would tolerate them, I’m positive Guilliman and probably the Salamanders and their chapters would be willing to work with them, but it’s just the Mechanicus that I feel would be the biggest hurdle to them being able to fully work alongside the Imperium.
honestly I really enjoy the Isiolated scenario and the Nomad Scenario the most, I think that the Insurrection would be an interesting wild card in this though for the UNSC in 40k but I understand not covering them (more than likely the fanatical elements of the Insurrection would probably fall to Chaos so they can cause problems for the UNSC)
Another thing with chaos is you have to remember all the combined trauma of the UNSC. By the end, everyone had someone close to them dead. Everyone had just known someone who lived on an outer or inner colony just, go dark, and you know that they’re gone now. So I think that with all of that pain, depression, and ptsd, they would have a field day. For all the imperiums offal, at the end of the day the average hiver has never seen their planet face exterminatus. They’ve never had a majority of their populace be in a war for destruction of the planet, or seen their family members be torn apart personally by xenos. The UNSC has, and every single one of the chaos gods has many easy angles into all those victims hearts.
also idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._ they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC) sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
lets just say whatever brings the UNSC to the 40k galaxy completely restores them to before the covenant war, but with all the tech advances they made by the end of it, and the memories of the war why not its contrived plus it'd be funny seeing everyone confused as to how this happened
@@IAmAlpharius20 yes, a necromunda citizens life is shit, but I think being a refugee of a dead world who’s family was all murdered before your eyes is worse. Nurgle alone would drink the UNSC extreme hopelessness like a fine (albeit relatively small) glass of wine
Small note, if the reference to Spartan 3 armor withstanding reentry is from Reach, all the Spartans in Noble team were equipped with variants of Mk. 5 Mjolnir, the same version of the armor Master Chief had in CE, rather than the SPI armor most Spartan 3s were issued
I think the 4th wall break in this video is important. You-tubers aren't your friends, they aren't even people! Don't give them basic human dignity or respect, they are content machines that exist for our entertainment. As an aside, thank you for continuing this series, it's my favorite of yours.
I feel like the greatest way to put them in the setting is to make them something like an imperial guard faction. Say the Spartans are the most competent members of the guard or space marines that didn't complete training but were too good to just shove into a meat grinder to get the gene seed. Augment them, making them Spartans and deeply them among the guard as it's elite troopers. Granted I'm halfway through the videos so maybe he said that, so if that's the case think of Ciaphas Cain in a set of Mjolnir armour.
I really liked your idea that space marines who failed later, near the end of space marine training, still receive more specialized use instead of just being put through the meat grinder just for genetic seed. And they are the elite of the elite of the guard. Space Marine still above of the Spartans make themn the second bests of the Imperium. The third would be the Tempestus Scion.
The way you transitioned from the content to your ad read... as a typical consumer that hits the *skip* button asap... was masterful. Hats off to you sir, you nailed that part. (Edit, you made alot of the same arguments that I had, that came to mind in your explanations. Well done.)
And they have better range than other factions for ship weapons. Issac Newton is the deadliest sob. And if we're going with current unsc than there ships have shields and more forerunner/covenant tech integrated.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle do you realize that that was a joke and no in Canon there are certain weak points in the void Shield where you can get through and strike craft can get right through voids as well as torpedoes I don't even think about well actually me have you ever played battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 first rule of debates over whether or not something games Trump audiobook or paperback movies Trump games and there are no Warhammer 40K movies I don't count anime first rule about animes never Canon I'm not explaining this again
The biggest question for me would be how the UNSC would interact with the warp. Would they be like the imperial guard, where they'd get murdered instantly by brain explosion syndrome and corrupted en masse, or would they be more like the Tau, with very little presence in the warp? Also, very different answers depending on what time period you're counting the UNSC in. At it's most recent, it's in shambles and could probably be completely wiped out in an afternoon by any of the major factions in 40k. At the height of it's power, it was a multi-solar if not galactic civilization and might be able to enter the stalemate
My common rule for this is type of cross over. You keep what you have and you get nothing from the other universe. So the warp can not do it lame "It is grime do so choas win" stick.
Nurgle would pretty much have no power over them, but the other 3 would but probably not as much as the imperium because of how much worse it is to be an imperium citizen rather the a unsc citizen
@@theslayer1197Quality of life has nothing to do with it. In fact, highborn nobles in 40K are just as likely to succumb to chaos as regular peasants. Chaos is not a one trick pony. They do not have only one method of getting you to join their side. Oftentimes the corruption is so subtle you don’t even realize it’s happening
The Empire joins the Sol system front Space Marine: Why haven't you kicked their ass yet? Marine: Well, because they been kicking our ass.. Space Marine: Heresy at best....* shoots the marine for being pathetic* Spartan: *Takes the dead Marine Sniper Rifle* Space marine:..... Spartan:.......
The US C driving around in giant ships only to pop by trade for a little bit and disappear is kind of the plot of the savage wars where humanity expanded into space thousands of years ago and recently space hulks they sent out to save the human race have started showing up with horribly changed, mutated humans that went down a different evolutionarily line from the rest of humanity causing massive conflicts. It’s a great book series.
Holy mother of all that is holy... I was literally rewatching your previous three HaloHammer videos just a few hours ago after having completely forgotten that they existed and I get this in my feed? Don't mind if I do!
I really like the sound of this hypothetical, because I've always have been in a firm believer that sci-fi settings should stop making humanity into one giant empire and that a Balkanized galaxy with a myriad of human space empires would be vastly more interesting. I think 40k would be a better setting if the Olamic Quietude, the Interex, the Diasporex, the Severan Dominate, Krieg and a bunch of other exotic and ideologically/culturally diverse human empires that managed to fight off or avoid the Imperium were actually major players in the setting and all playable on the tabletop.
I doubt the tabletop is popular enough for a myriad of such human factions to be viable from a sales perspective. I do agree it would be better from a lore perspective though.
@@58jharris That's easily fixable. Just give each of the human factions a Marine Chapter or two. Cobble together some barely rational lore to excuse it (GW are good at that) and sell it to the masses. It'd be successful because Marine fans will buy any old slop, as long as it's Marine slop.
We need to know more about how the Votann fare against the imperium. It feels like it would be important to this video's topic, since they are a non-imperial human faction without the Imperium's tech hangups.
I think if they appeared during a time where Papa Smurf is around, and he knew they appeared, he'd immediately move to integrate them and keep them protected simply because they know how Science works
If they appeared when Emps was still leading crusades, they'd get favorable treatment because of how much tech they can share. He'd end up cancelling the Human Webway project and focus on adopting Slipspace tech. No Golden Throne, no inroads with daemons and Chaos, it's literally the one thing Emps has dreamed of for humanity.
@@MarvinT0606 i mean hed still need to have that powerful psychic barrier to stop deamons from deamoning all over the unsc. Hell, oni would probably try and study or make a deal with chaos.
26:05 "humanity as a whole would still be under the yoke of the Imperium, but for the first time time in twenty thousand years, the galaxy could see a subset of mankind not burdened by the superstition and paranoia of the Imperium of Man." The leagues of Votann: 'guess I don't exist'
That and I do find one thing rather funny if you look at the previous videos he made. The UNSC has survived and continues to survive in the same Universe as the Covenant, Banished, Prometheans, Created and Flood. The UNSC managed to fragment both the Covenant and the Created which includes a number of Prometheans in their ranks. And managed to control the growth of the Flood so it doesn't get to the point of num, num the universe and as of 2560 are in a war against the Banished over Zeta Halo. So the same factions he has in the past said would survive in 40k are the same factions the UNSC are currently surviving groups of trying to kill them. And yes apparently Leagues of Votann don't exist unless it's useful to the point of the story. He only briefly mentioned them in his Forerunners in 40k video.
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Where the fuck are the other 4 parts ?????
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F for you, we didn't ask for this, we've asked for Office of Naval Intelligence!
Make a video about Jaghatai Khan pls
don't forget the unsc uses 762
I can just imagine an inquisitor uncovering an ONI spy and freaking out about another human empire SOMEWHERE
The thing is, there's remnants of the old imperium of man that people haven't even contacted. It would be less of a surprise and more of confusion as they try understanding their origins. "We found humans that call themselves the UNSC, when did we ever name a group that? And why do they have Dark age tech and AIs?"
@@zincgoblin7538considering how shit their bureaucracy is they'd probably chalk it up to something from millennia ago, it's so terrible that something just archived is immediately considered lost
Then they bond over the horrible crimes they’ve each committed
@@pancreasnowork9939the inquisitor would actually be shocked at how evil the ONI agent is
That must be a very very clumsy oni agent to be found
UNSC: I hate aliens, you hate aliens, why dont we team up
Imperium: is that a fucking V-tuber?
UNSC: uh.... no?
Admech: Heretech!
Space Marine: Abomination!
Inquisitor: Maidenless.
Imperium Plebian: Corpse Starch?
Ork Sneak Boy: WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
UNSC: Her feet pics are $10..
Just wait till the Mechanicus realizes AIs are made using human brains and are therefor, NOT TECHNICALLY, abominable intelligence.
@@Peusterokos1 Guilliman: This is closer to my father's vision.
@@Peusterokos1 Hotel: Trivago
The UNSC could probably appear inside of the Imperium and the Imperium would be entirely unaware for the next 300 years
Then they would find out, fight them and leave halfway through the war then forget for another 300 years, then it’s rinse and repeat.
I mean given the breadth of Imperial worlds, many of which have little to no contact with the greater Imperium, it easily could exist already.
The unsc can probably use that against the imperium
Make that 1000 years my good sir.
Or........the UNSC joins the Imperium as a highly autonomous sector
A UNSC-Necron alliance could also lead to another thing: Necron experimentation using UNSC medical, bio-augmentation, and cloning techniques to see if they could remake bodies for the Necrons.
Silent King might be interested.
Traz would also have a new advance race to collect from, win win for the necrons imo
If this actually happens, the unsc might just go to the most powerful faction in the setting simply because the necrons wont allow ANYONE or ANYTHING to fuck with them.
@@lekrieg8618 That and the fact that between them and their Huragok pets they can reverse engineer anything they get their hands on.
Why would they tho? they have much greater knowledge and technology than the UNSC.
@@nobleman9393 The UNSC has a limited amount of Forerunner technology and Ancient Human technology. Which given the Imperium has no clue about the Forerunners. And all Ancient Human technology is Archotech. They would be more interested in that.
Besides the UNSC biological augmentation tech and knowledge allows them to make any man or woman into a super soldier.
Take a planet like Krieg and turn their Guardsmen into Spartan 4 super soldiers . And now you can see the advantage of not going to war with the UNSC. Even out numbering them initially doesn't mean much when they have super soldiers capable of ripping through entire regiments of Guardsmen individually and armed with Archotech.
Yes the UNSC has reverse engineered Forerunner and Ancient Human weapons and technology. The Huragok aka Engineers I mentioned have significantly accelerated the rate of reverse engineering. They have also improved UNSC technologies. Including the slipspace drive allowing for precision jumps. Meaning with their nice little exterminatus packages aka Nova Bombs which double as munitions apparently. They can jump into a planets atmosphere below the orbital defense grid , drop a bomb and jump out.
This kind of advantage would be very interesting to the Imperium. Thus making whipping them out simply not feasible. Kind of the same reason the Imperium didn't exterminatus the Squats in old lore. The UNSC is effectively Ancient Humanity to the Imperium and have a lot of Archotech which is important to the Imperium. Who tend to like to keep human history especially the Mechanicus.
Oh and the Imperium doesn't have anywhere near the technical knowledge of how their stuff works .
And per technological time scale the Imperium first discovered FTL via the Warp in the 15th millennia . The UNSC did this with their slipspace drives development in the 3rd millenia .
So their are developing things technologically in two different time frames.
Not to mention the Imperium has had multiple dark ages events . During which they lost knowledge of how everything works. Hence the Imperium does religious rituals for their technology. The UNSC and The Squats in 40k don't. Because they know how the technology actually works.
So on the Imperium side we have a technologically stagnate and declining power. Who has mostly forgotten how their own technology works.
On the UNSC side we have an empire that actually predates the Imperium by well over a million years. That has experienced its own set backs including being reset to caveman twice. Who actually know how their technology works. And are reverse engineering Ancient more advanced technology from their ancestors. Aka reverse engineering Archotech tech with the help of a biological super computer that was created by their "ancestors" or Forerunners . The Huragok aka Engineers are basically pets of their's. They are also very important since they contain a lot of knowledge.
Essentially when you actually look at the complete time line thus far . The UNSC has more advanced technologies. They inherited from their ancestors and the Forerunners. The thing with that is they have to learn how to manufacture said technologies. Which is the entire point of reverse engineering.
They can easily pick up a Z-110 Boltshot Directed Energy Pistol and punch a hole through an Astartes armor but that doesn't mean they can manufacture the weapon anymore at this point.
Thus the Imperium would see no point in fighting them. To the Imperium the UNSC aren't threatening them. And it's just a matter of time before they after being exposed to Imperal worlds end up joining anyways as an ally at least..
Since let's be honest the Orkz are just green Brutes, the Tau remind them of the Covenant only a bitch version. The Necrons are a um no in general. The Tyranids are like the Flood without the threat of reality warping and using the Galactic autobon to crush your planets and ships. Read Halo Silentium. You will never see the Flood as just a form of Tyranids again. Because they are way worse than Tyranids.
If you had a Flood force the size if a Hive fleet the galaxy is pretty much screwed..
Hence why the UNSC would go hunting them with Nova Bombs.
So when we really look at it the only long term alliance options for them are the Squats and the Imperium. Because everything else either hate/ wants to eat humans or is a bitch version of the Covenant. For the most part.
So technologically the UNSC are as advanced as the Imperium. And are gaining technology as they reverse engineer their own Archotech. Which is honestly the biggest thing the Imperium would be interested in other than the fact they can make adult Guardsmen into super soldiers which would be very interesting to the Imperium.
We know how effective Guardsmen are. We know how effective Spartans are. Now combine them and what do we get ? Less Xenos in the way of humanity.
I have to point out: the idea of a Spartan pension fund is hilarious, and absolutely in character for ONI. Spartans don't retire, it's just not a thing, but ONI would absolutely use the guilt trip of, "You're not willing to pay more in taxes for the Spartan pension fund? You don't want to support the greatest heroes we've ever had defending us?" to yoink as much money as they can.
Reminds of something from Endless Space 2, where you can hack an enemy civilization and funnel funds into the 'Craver Pension Fund.' The Cravers of course being left over omnicidal bioweapons from a long forgotten war.
Maria-062 is canonically a retired Spartan II.
@@williamhare4456 Retired for a stupid reason, though.
@@Calvin_Coolage A member of the merchant guild is spotted.
@@joshuaoliva1288 what is this merchant guild?
Hey just wanted to let you know that the UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds and not 5.56 rounds.
Really???? I had no idea
Either way, they're fools. Everybody knows that 5.7 is the best for kicking alien butts, cause it's used in p90, the ultimate weapon against aliens
@@darkleome5409Man, I gotta start watching Stargate someday.
@@tristanbeer1257the original show is great can’t say much about any other shows or movies as I haven’t seen them but still highly recommend
@@Cody-5501the shows not even average the ratings were bad and it gets pretty boring can’t get past the first episode
UNSC: * merticulously execuses realistic military tactics *
Imperium of Man: "MY FACE IS MY SHIELD!" * whomps the UNSC in glorious melee *
*UNSC:* "Why do the Astartes keep changing from plodding slow to lightning fast!?!"
*Astartes:* "FAITH, HONOR AND VIGILANCE."
*UNSC:* "That doesn't even make sense!"
*Astartes:* "FAITH, HATE, AND IGNORANCE THEN."
*UNSC:* "Oh come ON!"
No pity!
No remorse!
No fear!
>merticulously execuses
@@bubbasbigblast8563 so true
This is the first comment ive laughed at in a while. Thanks.
I always love the idea of how ONI would react to 40k which would probably be along the lines of ramping up crimes against humanity ten fold
Pretty much but he does fail to go into the tech shit the UNSC/ ONI bring to the galaxy.
Because the UNSC wasn't just getting it's shit rocked by the Covenant. The UNSC was Strategic Transfering of Equipment to Alternate Locations from the Covenant while researching and trying to use any Forerunner tech they found. Admittedly it wasn't until after the war that the UNSC started finding Forerunner armories and vehicle storage depots and doing exactly what the Mechanicus would do if they found dark age of technology tech and weapons. Taking everything that isn't bolted down then using plasma cutters to take anything that was.
But during the war they started reverse engineering Covenant tech. Post war they have done the same with Forerunner technology.
This has lead to weapons attachments, weapons that shoot plasma , blamite ( a crystalline, high-explosive material) and hardlight encased antimatter particles.
The Kinetic bolts attachment.. www.halopedia.org/Kinetic_Bolts
So other than basically fighting a losing war the UNSC was actually doing a lot of experimental research to reverse engineer the Covenants weapons and tech to use against them. And post war have continued to do so with more Forerunner weapons and tech along with the assistance of the Engineers aka Huragok.
Fun fact the Huragok are pacifist who at some point decided to start sabotaging Covenant equipment. And During the Great Schism, the now predominantly Jiralhanae-controlled Covenant military placed explosives charges onto the bodies of Huragok, in order to prevent them from falling into the hands of UNSC forces. The Huragok did not initially resist this measure, as they were made to believe that humanity would force them to defile Forerunner relics should they ever be captured.Once they realized it was to make them suicide bombers, however, many Huragok made attempts to resist receiving charges, usually failing.The Huragok were warned that if they disobeyed orders, their attached explosive charges would be detonated. However, some realized that the only chance they had to escape Jiralhanae brutality was to aid humanity in defeating the Covenant. As a result, the Huragok worked to allow a handful of their compatriots escape their commanders.
Post war Between November 2552 and March 2553, Lucy-B091 discovered four Huragok inside Shield World 006 in Onyx. These Huragok eventually helped the human survivors in the shield world reestablish contact with the UNSC.Two Huragok were also assigned on Kilo-Five's prowler-UNSC Port Stanley-in order to provide it with the same upgrades as Infinity.
Many Huragok are strategically employed by the UNSC's Office of Naval Intelligence, primarily to assist in the reverse-engineering of Covenant technology or deciphering Forerunner data terminals.
They seem to be happy to work with humanity.
So this likely being post war the UNSC have biological supercomputers as pets. Which means they have upgraded alot. ONI of course is still going to do what ONI does mostly war crimes.
When in Rome
So it's tuesday?
@FightOrSuicide Yeah basically for both the UNSC and everyone else.
Because beyond the games Halo is actually a cosmic horror story in which even the Lovecraftin God's want to kill humanity.
Oh and the Aliens aka the Covenant fire plasma as hot as a Red Dwarf star at them on a daily practically. Then there's the antimatter shooting knock off of Necrons in the Halo Universe because Bungie and 343 industries are apparently fans of 40k lol.
So yeah it's a Tuesday for everyone involved for the most part.
@@John2r1 red dwarfs aren't really that hot 😂
The UNSC, being from another universe, could become Trazyn's obsession for a millennia easily-either their undoing, or security as humans with 'trade' sense.
Chief and the Arbiter would make very nice additions to his collection. Heck, he could probably fit a whole Halo Ring in there somehow.
There’s so many scenarios with Trazyn I can imagine. He would probably absolutely be willing to just teleport his planet somewhere into unsc space just not to deal with the fuckery of everyone else but maybe some oni agents with a little to much balls.
I also imagine trazyn trying to trying to find and replicate a entire historical battle from unsc history only to find oni did it for him and were trying to give it to him as a gift.
Trazyn would absolutely pluck a Spartan or two
@@addisonwelshIf he could fit an entire Nid hive fleet in the middle of a planetary invasion as a diorama, he definitely may be able to pull off getting a ring to fit somewhere, heck, it may evan become an entire aisle for his new exhibitions.
@@AAhmou he could probably just stick the ring around solemnance
The UNSC and the Leagues of Votaan bonding over lying to the Admech would be funny. "Wait you guys have AI too? And those toaster fuckers let you?" "Pft, no. We kill them if they get too close."
A three way alliance between the T’au, Votaan and UNSC with AI rights being their bonding principle would be glorious.
@@pjmetzen3483an eldar spartan would be terrifying.
I imagine ONIs first goal would be to integrate pyskers into the spartan program, like ghosts from starcraft
Hey someone here knows what StarCraft is ,hello there
@@voidwalkerbruh7426 famously obscure, unknown franchise, Starcraft lmao
AI therapy sessions, UNSC Smart AI help Votann Ancestor Cores catch their breath for the first time in Millenia.
The UNSC’s greatest weapon in this scenario is rationality and a willingness to talk and find other avenues besides all out war.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
also their ability to travel through the space without using the warp
Unfortunately, the IoM doesn't share that rationality and would piss themselves with rage the moment they saw an AI
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle very true, but they don’t really need to see an AI in that case. The Mechanicus barely know how their own shit works, therefore unless an AI hologram blorps into view right in front of them it stands to reason they would have no way of knowing that the UNSC makes heavy use of AI. And hopefully the UNSC will be able to figure out that taboo pretty quickly and tell all their AIs not to make themselves known should they be in any kind of contact with the imperium. Or at least don’t act sentient if they must communicate.
@@SentientMeatloaf1 with how familiar they are with servitors (and how eager they are to steal knowledge) sooner or later they'd realize that the doors or something aren't human-powered and throw a temper tantrum
In 40k lore a ship from mankind’s peak traveled to the future to see what happens. Didn’t go well, they burned the crew for heresy and tried to take the ship. The tach on that ship would have sent the empires knowledge of science and technology so far forward it would have essentially erased all their problems at once. However the ships AI killed the tech priest and space Marines. It then flew away, out of the galaxy in the depths of dark space to live in eternal depression.
Which just, ironically, proves the Imperium's point about AI. It didn't try to help humanity or try to understand mankind's situation, it just threw a hissy fit, insulted us, and left. That is an extremely childish mentality and honestly more akin to how a toddler with brain damage thinks and behaves. Now, imagine that for all AI and that AI are in every single piece of technology...yeah.
@@midgetydeath
Ya but the AI ships crew were all burned alive. I’d think I’d take that personally.
@@midgetydeath The Imperials tried to kill the AI several times and burned his friends at the stake, why would it want to stay and help them?
@@midgetydeath Are you joking or something?
@@midgetydeathYou are almost retarded enough to actually fit in the 40K universe.
The UNSC being allies with both the Eldar and T’au sounds like a pretty fun sitcom idea.
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
I can imagine ONI agents and UNSC diplomats would just shout at the eldar, enough with the riddles you damned space elf!
Speak plainly!
My Marine Sergeant Can't Be This Cute, a production by the Greater Good.
@@marseldagistani1989 There is an excerpt where a rogue trader talks about his experiences with talking to an eldar. When the eldar is explaining some complicated concept, he understood it all very clearly, but after a while when he tried to reiterate the concepts he had trouble even recapping the information in his mind, let alone put it into words. Eldar don't talk in riddles, humans just aren't equipped to understand what they're trying to say. Doesn't help that the Imperium usually doesn't care about trying to understand, but that's a problem the UNSC doesn't have.
I mean, the UNSC were fine teaming up with the Arbiter's forces against the Covenant remnants after the war ended. No reason why they wouldn't see the merit in an alliance with non-hostile alien races against a common adversary.
Plus, mech suits. The UNSC loves their tanks and mech suits.
I'm so used to hearing Eckhart's Ladder saying Warhammer would beat literally any and every sci-fi universe that this is quite the refresher
He said that? I haven't watched any of his stuff in a while, but he always seemed pretty level headed when it came to favouritism. I doubt he's unaware of the numerous other sci-fi universes that would laugh at 40k's attempts to be powerful.
@@Toxichobbit.Given he almost chocked himself on halo dick in his video on best super solders because of armour I doubt it
@@Toxichobbit. He had a series where he pitted multiple universe against each other in certain fields, ground armies, space fleets, technology, etc, and Warhammer ALWAYS had the runaway victory. Any point a different franchise had over them felt like pity. Honestly, it turned me off from the Warhammer franchise for years before I heard a differing opinion that swayed me back
@@mog-myownbestfriend I know the series you're talking about. I didn't think Warhammer won them all, though it's been a long time since I watched it. Regardless, I can see why it turned you off 40k. 40k is probably my favourite sci-fi setting (though not favourite franchise) and nothing rustles my jimmies more than the endless masturbating 40k fans do to it's power levels. Especially because a large amount of them aren't even factually correct with their so called evidence.
Also, that Ekhart's Ladder series missed out a lot of the really overpowered sci-fi settings out there. Probably because it would have been a 30 second video if he'd included them as they'd wipe the floor with any of the franchises he did feature, with no more effort than it takes us to step on an ant.
@@mog-myownbestfriend Actually, he did say UNSC marines would beat the IG, but he broke his own rules to do it by giving them Spartans and the Navy.
This video just reminded me that for ships the UNSC has some of the best stealth tech. There is a mention in the first book in the master cheif trilogy where a sangheli is looking between his window and his control panel because he can see ships flying in front of and blocking stars out his window, but his sensors say nothing is there.
Somehow the UNSC has better stealth tech for ships than the covenant.
Its probably because the covenant doesnt really have to rely on stealth, or detection since why bother when all your enemies are weaker. While humanity gains a fucking lot by being stealth and revealing themselves with bigger numbers, and just enough firepower to cripple you with the first salvo.
@@clairelili873 The interesting thing it that this is very early stealth tech for humans. The book takes place directly after the battle of chi ceti 4 and harvest. It features the insurrection first finding out about the covenant. It's really early and humanity apparently has one advantage.
@@clairelili873 Their infantry do use stealth technology though so I am surprised it isn't something they experimented with more.
Last i checked, the reason was two fold. While it is undeniable UNSC/ONI stealth is weirdly good, another issue was that covenant sensors were so good, they had an issue of info overload, so they had to look into the logs manually to find human ships. You had to set you filters right if you wanted to find the stealth ship live on sensors.
I don't remember what book(s) this came from, so take it with a grain of salt
That’s hilarious!
The UNSC in 30k on the other hand would be pretty damn important.
1. Emps himself would take a keen interest in the Shaw-Fujikawa Slipspace drive as a way to end human dependence on the Warp, because advanced space-time shortcut engine > demon-energy teleport engine
2. (This is a big IF) The UNSC can convince the Imperium to adopt their AIs. The way AI is made by the UNSC makes them *very advanced* machine spirits that trace their creation to the biological mind of a dead human.
3. Imagine two of the biggest nutjobs in their respective franchises working as colleages: Dr. Halsey and Big E
The question is which group of super soldiers would the UNSC/early Imperium alliance use more?
The Spartan program which is for all intents and purposes perfected although lacks a lot of the more esoteric abilities of the Astartes, or the Space Marines who have a lot of extra abilities the Spartans lack but are subject to incredibly finicky technology and genecraft?
Me personally I'm leaning more towards Astartes due to the Primarchs being around and the fact that Astartes are built to resist Chaos corruption unlike the Spartans.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 never mind the fact that a full half of the Space marines fell during the Horus heresy. I think if the Imperium had spartans they'd just be a more numerous more powerful, more special-use guardsmen. especially the IV's; deploy them when you need something done that doesn't require a space marine for it. As for chaos corruption, they're for all intents and purposes regular people who willingly consent to the process, so at least with the IV's so they'd be less susceptible to chaos corruption. I can see maybe the III's or II's maybe falling, but those were made from the genetic cream of the crop of humanity at the time; if you're getting picked for the spartan program, you'd be competing with the candidate pool for the Custodes and some of the other space marine chapters.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 space marines were always meant to be a bit specialized units. you don't throw space marines at the problem at first sight. you use space marines when things are getting bad or you need a certain fix for a certain problem. i think big E would stick with space marines for this reason as that was always the intention. however that being said i doubt he would completely ignore the spartan projects because honestly they work really well. who knows, maybe he would create one more primarch and apply space marine genetics to a spartan to see how well it would work. big E was always a bit more of a mad scientist throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks than people think.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 they'd deploy both if we consider how SPARTAN IVs are trained. No need for massive regiments of Imperial Auxilia, just battalions of SPARTAN IVs mixed with the Legioned Astartes.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 Personally I prefer spartan augment because astarte augmentations can be pretty redundant. Spartan augmentations have some believable sense of actual utility.
The nova bomb isn't actually that outlandish. It's a thermonuclear fusion weapon, meaning it's a multi-stage weapon that uses multiple explosions to compress and boost its payload. This is already standard for thermonuclear weapons in real life. The only difference is that the nova bomb uses a lot more stages. It's basically doing this to ensure as much of its fuel is converted to energy as efficiently as possible. Usually, when a nuclear weapon goes off, only a small percentage of the fuel used actually converts into energy. The rest is vaporized and disperses as nuclear fallout. But with the nova bomb, most of the fuel successfully converts ibto energy. And it's huge it uses a lot of fuel. All that fuel going off... well, you read what happened in Ghosts of Onyx.
It's directly probable that we will have something similar in the future, in short words it's basically a really big thermonuclear weapon, with more fuel and just bigger, Its also practical as long as we leave this planet (just boom it into space and whatever fleet or ship that was there it's now gone) in fact I'm sure the reason why we don't have it yet it's because... Why? , it would destroy the planet.
Even if it was a 100% efficient annihilation you'd need a *lot* of antimatter.
@@basedeltazero714 that's an annihilation weapon, not a thermonuclear weapon.
@@Nugnugnug Yes, and an annihilation weapon is as efficient as is physically possible. No matter how efficient you make a fusion weapon you cannot get it more efficient than 100%, that's how efficiency works.
Which means that the amount of boom you can fit into a bomb is limited by the formula E=MC^2 - the mass energy of the bomb.
Which, to produce enough energy to overcome the gravitational binding of a planet, around 10 to the 32nd joules, you'd need 10 trillion metric tons of bomb.
The "neutron star density" line gives a clue as to what's happening. Any matter that _isn't_ converted into electromagnetic radiation is compressed into neutron degenerate matter... for about a femtosecond, and then you get a _ginormous_ shockwave of energized neutrons that irradiate the _hell_ out of everything unlucky enough to avoid being vaporized by the explosion.
I love the UNSC-but unfortunately for them, they’re actually grounded to reality, but they would certainly be able to stage a defensive war like how they did against the Covenant-and since they’re entirely a human empire, I imagine they wouldn’t be as resented by the Imperium, possibly even being able to form a nonaggression pact or defensive alliance, particularly since the UNSC is capable of actually comprehending alien technology and adapting it into their own.
[EDIT]: Continuing this line of thought, the UNSC’s naval and military doctrine is based around elastic defense, being suited against numerically and technologically foes such as the Covenant, however unlike the Covenant, who could afford to dedicate overwhelming numerical forces, any potential neighboring factions doesn’t have that luxury. This isn’t accounting for their attempts at diplomacy with the Covenant, so immediate hostilities are unlikely.
(I’m sorry for the debate in the replies I didn’t think this comment through lmao)
Oddly enough the best-case scenario for the UNSC is if they meet the Ultramarines, which for the most part are very reasonable, and would leave the UNSC a thing on itself as long as it pays its taxes
They did go to war with basically all known aliens at their time so the unsc would be viewed as an ally to take down foul xenos scum!
I feel like the ships in halo are too fast compared to the ships in 40k. they could hit and run pretty well giving them a bit of space supremacy.
The second the imperium find out that the unsc uses ai they would obliterate them
@@GiRR007somehow Horus defeated people that did that. He basically just chased them until they had to stop to refuel.
Honestly, this is my favorite of your halo hammer videos. I love thinking about factions of humans who look at the imperium and just think “no, fuck that”
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
I can sadly picture the college dorm of some edgy "Orkkunist" as I type. "Well, actually real Orkism has never been tried, and the Imperium is hella problematic, I mean if we're not willing to confront our human privilege maybe we deserve to get eaten by the nids."
I like to imagine the votann did that and are pretending to be loyal to the imperium.
@69Kazeshini hey just wanna ask can you see my long comment above
@@entropybear5847this is the edgiest bullshit I've seen in some time so I think you should probably not throw stones from that glass house of yours.
The UNSC actually uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Hope this helps
EDIT: ok so several people have replied letting me know that the UNSC uses 7.62 rather than 5.56. Thanks for the help everyone
Well no, The UNSC actually uses 7.62 instead of 5.56 rounds.
Actually the UNSC uses 7.62 instead of 5.56 I'm glad I could help
You guys are mistaken, actually the UNSC use 7.62 rounds, not 5.56, hope this helps.
you guys are wrong they use 40-70
um actually your quite mistaken the UNSC uses 7.62 rounds, not 5.56. Glad I could stop this misinformation
Im surprised he didn't mention the ammo the UNSC uses, I really wanted to know what advancements they made in 5.56
They mainly use 7.62 not 5.56
@@troopergioyou are aware of the joke, right? You didnt just jump into the comments?
@@TheSimmr001 It's no joke that they use 7.62 and not 5.56
Uh dude they use 7.62 not 5.56
Excuse me they use 7.62 not 5.56
The UNSC in Warhammer 40k would not do too well, that being said ONI does have a truly evil sense of ingenuity thats make the Inquisition look nice.
I feel like that's not accurate I feel like if anything the Inquisition makes oni look like saint's
@@slitherthewizardofwither6959Tell that to ONI’s experiments with the Flood.
@@InquisitorXarius tell that to
Kryptman
@@kingpin3714Believe me when I say this death via exterminatus is far more preferable to flood infection and conversion. Even death via the Life Eater Virus method of Exterminatus is preferable to Flood Infection.
@kingpin3714 Kryptman got kicked out of the inquisition, even THEY have limits .ONI would have no hesitation studying chaos and xenos to an extent where most even most inquisitiors would go "yeah that's too much" before blasting them for heresy.
Craftworld Eldars would cry tears of joy finally meeting humans that are not insane*
*Aslong they don't meet ONI first
ONI meetw Eldari Orphan whose parents were killed by Salamanders.
"Hello space elf Child! Would you like to join the Spartans?"
and immediately screw over in the most hilarious way possible because they LOVE "logical" factions that they can easily manipulate Reminder that in general the Eldar literally see humans as slightly more evolved chimps
@@marseldagistani1989Spartans with psychic abilities, jeezus
The cope here ❤ love it.
@@marseldagistani1989 If they could figure out how to make human augmentations work the would totally do that lol.
UNSC vs empire is so weird, because there are certain areas where the Empires massacres the UNSC, and vise versa. I believe the UNSC has the long term ability to reverse engineer imperial technology, maybe an AI can just hijack and entire ship or fleet or something. Like the UNSC is consistent, they just need to buy time I think. Or maybe meet the Tau and just skip forward in tech millennia
With the assistance of their Huragok aka Engineer pets it's almost guaranteed that they can reverse engineer practically any normal technologies they run into.
Also worth noting that post war they do start out with some Forerunner weapons and tech. Mostly small arms and armor but also some vehicles. Not enough to have their entire military outfitted in Forerunner gear. But enough that they have made gains in reverse engineering Forerunner, Ancient Human and Covenant tech.
So their biggest disadvantage is low numbers which can be overcome through both technology and tactical decisions. The tech side includes augmenting their military to Spartan standards .
The tactical side is more of being semi fleet based and using places like Onyx or Shield World 006 as their capital. And fortifying the hell out of it.
@@John2r1Shield worlds wouldn't be a problem. They have a shit-ton of forerunner tech they can reverse-engineer with ships and stuff. Plus, the billions of sentinels will help out in ground combat and such.
Good defense. They can also retreat into the dyson sphere to avoid exterminatus.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Shield World 006 is a Dyson Sphere. And may become their capital temporarily anyways. Because they don't have the personnel numbers on their side. That said fixing the Promethean constructs to stop trying to kill them would certainly be a game changer. And the Sentinels are also useful.
Oh and we can't forget they did recover their supercomputer pets aka Huragok or engineers from the Covenant specifically the Brutes.
@@John2r1 I got an idea. Since they can manipulate the dyson sphere temporal anomaly like it's the Dragonball Hyperbolic Time Chamber, they could recover tech from the aftermath Empire, T'au and Necron battles, and have the Huragok combine it with UNSC tech in the dyson sphere while setting time to pass faster in there. So they'll catch up in tech almost overnight.
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy Time actually passes slower inside the Dyson Sphere. Which means they don't age as quickly. Which allows them to do more work while time passes normally in real space outside. What seems like a few days is a few weeks on the outside.
That said to accelerate the growth of the crops, ONI had the facility's resident Huragok create slipspace bubbles in which time passed faster than in normal space. So they can catch up without aging themselves to death.
Of course why would they need to catch up when their ancient technologies are far more advanced than anything in the current setting. They just have to learn how to manufacture their ancestral technologies.
The UNSC and tau being buddies, trading and sharing tech would be quite the shining example of cooperation actually working
Yes until the UNSC or more likely ONI stabs the Tau in the back. After stealing and reverse engineering everything they find useful. Because ONI is a dick like that.
Except Tau would do anything and everything to incorporate UN into their empire including war, terrorism and warcrimes that would make ONI go "Damn. I wish we had more people like them.". That's their modus operandi. Everything for the Greater Good, nothing outside of Greater Good, nothing against the Greater Good. Any lenghs and any methods for the right cause and what they describe as right cause is to make everything part of the Greater Good.
@@kronos661 ONI wouldn't go damn. ONI would go screw these bluebarries we're going to exterminate them . Then order Spartans to get ready to deploy nova bombs to the sept worlds eleminating their entire leadership. Because ONI are in a competition with the Inquosition in who can do the most war crimes.
Not to mention the Covenant tried attacking them and did plenty of what would be considered war crimes . It only served to piss them off and make them more xenophobic and also directly lead to the destruction of both planets Joyous Exultation and Glyke each of which were home to billions and of strategic importance. Being two of the largest shipyards in the Covenant outside of High Charity.
So the UNSC wouldn't go oh damn. Not to mention the Tau would have to locate their heavily defended worlds and not get blown the hell up trying to attack them. Both of which will be very difficult. As even trying to track the UNSC fleets won't land you at any of their planets. Because of the Cole Protocol .
Which states the following .. To prevent the enemy from discovering the human homeworld and colonial capital, Earth, or any other colony world.
1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations.
2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations.
3. ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth.
Article 1.
To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers.
If any Covenant forces are detected:
1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks.
2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized.
3. Execute viral data scavengers (Download from UNSCTTP://EPWW:COLEPROTOCOL/Virtualscav/fbr.091)
4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center.
5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct.
Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution.
Article 2.
Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable.
Therefore Article 2 mandates the procedure for erasing a ship's data, primarily navigation data, as well as all backups, in case of potential compromise by the enemy. In such situations, a ship-board artificial intelligence must be secured; if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged. It is possible that Article 2 also governs protocol in terms of abandoning a vessel giving the terms that someone need to extract the AI out of the ship for safety if possible.
Subsection 7 dictates that captured alien matériel and ships may not be taken back to human-controlled space due to concerns that they might contain tracking devices; as such, it is likely part of Article 4. Bringing a alien weapon back to any UNSC installation or Inner Colony is considered an act of treason.
This protocol went into effect during the Human Covenant war. So the reality of the situation for the Tau is that the only people they will likely come in contact with directly is the UNSC military. And they will likely not know where they came from or if they even have planets as the UNSC will likely act as though they are a fleet based society to outsiders. Not even mentioning any worlds they many have come from.
This distinct lack of intelligence would mean the Tau don't know enough about them to make an assessment. And while the UNSC wouldn't be interested in the concept of the greater good they would be interested in technology and resources as payment for their services if and when they happen to save a Tau world's ass from some Orkz or Tyrand splinter fleet or whatever. Basically their not interested in forming some sort of alliance that would allow anyone anywhere near their worlds. They are very much like the Squats , stubborn, battle hardened, independent and very well fortified and heavily armed.
Yeah, until UNSC personnel start betraying humanity and entire megacitiy populations pain themselves blue and rant about the Greater Good and all. Because that is what happens. The Ethereals use pheromones to brainwash people. It is said to require them to be in physical contact with a human, unlike other species, but I highly doubt they haven’t developed technologies to make sure the pheromones do their job on a large scale.
This is why the Imperium distrusts the Tau even more than the Eldar. They might not know the details, but they can clearly see what happens from a world having relations with the Tau.
@@kronos661yeah but heres the thing. The unsc isnt retarded and they wouldnt fall for it
depending on who is leading the imperium, guilliman in this case, the UNSC could actually survive with guilliman forming a non agression pact or even an alliance, and cawl would love to see their tech and since theyre not the mechanicus they could actually bring innovation to the imperium
Exactly dude. If they end up on Imperium borders or within it and somewhere near Ultramar everything’s ends well… If they end up next to the Eye of terror however…
Also the slip space drive would prove invaluable to the imperium as with it humanity has an easier , safer and more reliable method of transportation and the emperors dream of starving chaos by no longer relying on the warp comes true
They don't really have tech that would interest Crawl.
@@DarkenedOne55 Slip space and AI??? Are you insane?
@@memosanchez8916 Slip space would literally turn things around for the imperium in the most drastic of ways.
Not only does the Assault rifle in halo use 7.62 ammo, its 7.62x51, NOT 7.62x39 like an AK47 would use
7.62x51 is used by things like the M60 machine gun and the M14 marksman rifle, so its a really really beefy round, not some dinky ak round
recoil dampening tech must be great
8x57mm Mauser is better, fight me.
good luck that dinky round compared to a BOLTER or MARINE ARMOR THAT IS INCHES THICK.....
@@derigel7662consider this. A spartan can pick up a bolter.
Calling an AK round dinky is crazy.
Scenario 4 was what I was expecting you to talk about. But scenario 5 is FUCKING AWESOME. A nomadic UNSC roaming about the warhammer galaxy, surviving through mobility and adaptation while also occasionally dealing with problems that pop up sounds incredibly cool. I've always wanted one or two other human factions in 40k, independent of the imperium, with their own aesthetic, ideals, pros and cons, as it would stop humanity from looking so god damn one note and more interesting- because we are like that, humans are multifaceted and interesting. And this video just makes me wish for a faction like this.
Im with you here. First noticed this when I read a fan fiction that took place in the 50ks and humanity had fractured into a billion factions. The ways in which these factions interplaued with each other was SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING than just "Skulls for the golden throne" stuff we get.
The only real issue though is that going heavy into other humans would mean xeno fans get shafted even harder tjough
The UNSC would likely never become fully nomadic . They would however keep their territory a complete secret . Following the Cole Protocol as a law effectively. And would like make up for their lack of numbers through augmentation. Effectively creating a force or on the larger scale society of Spartans. Because as of current the UNSC has the ability to augment adults into Spartans. They also have a number of Huragok aka engineers that help them reverse engineer technologies. They can also build drones and other technologies. Most of which he didn't even mention.
They’d had to get their repair and refit stations mobile and adequately protected. Otherwise their fleet would rot away within a decade, as seen in Battlestar Galactica.
Also I really love the idea that the UNSC is the glimmer of hope in their messed up galaxy and have a chance to succeed were the imperium failed but are constantly hindered by them.🤔🐱
I love this idea. The entire point of stuff like Halo Reach and Rubicon Protocol, pretty much Halo in general is that there is ALWAYS hope.
Just wait until people whine about it and now one cast have the power to mind control the rest.
This is what the Tau were originally, right? A beacon of hope constantly unable to make a real difference thanks to everyone being stronger than them?
I’d hardly call the UNSC the good guys considering the stuff they got up to BEFORE the Human-Covenant war.
And after the war they’re being controlled by an ONI shadow government, which is about one step away from the Tau Ethereals in my book
@@rangerofthewasteschaoticne6888 the UNSC atleast have interesting tech, if forerunner stuff is around they would be the best to study such technology, and Slipspace still has a lot of potential if they manage to improve travel speed.
I have long believed the ability of the UNSC to abuse MAC rounds and slipspace would make them impossible to stamp out.
Not really. All you have to do is create a scenario where they can’t run away, like attacking a planet.
That’s without mentioning how skirmish tactics don’t work on some groups like the Eldar or the Tyranids.
@@addisonwelsh I mean, they got quite good at mass evacuations during the Human-Covenant War.
Wolfpack tactics are well known.
The Eldar aren't going to go invade them anyway (why the fuck would they? They live on Craftwords, they dont go around stealing inhabited planets from under other people to take for themselves last I checked)
The Nids might be an issue but their abilities all rely on fucking with the warp...which the UNSC doesnt use.
That and the fact the UNSC's space-tech is actually more advanced than the Imperiums due to NOT relying on broadsides in space...they'd have a fighting chance in the right situation.
Especially if they start using the really nasty fuckery the Forerunners gave them. Hardlight weapons purge biomass, after all...
@@KillerOrca actually the eldars do that at least the more warlike craftworlds do. The shadow in the warp can affect non-psykers and even non-warp-based technology not to mention that it's still an horde of trillions of nasty beasts including psychic bugs that the UNSC has no answer to
I don't see how that makes them more advanced than the imperium especially since the imperium equivalent of cargo ships are more durable than the infinity class
Which won't really help since they only possess a limited amount
@@KillerOrca Mass evacuations just create a refugee crisis somewhere else, strain your resources, and stop working once you start running out of planets.
Wolfpack tactics only work if the enemy splits up, which Tyranids never do, and Eldar have better stealth tech, so they’ll be the ones wolfpacking you.
Some of the more aggressive Eldar craft worlds attack human worlds just for the heck of it. The goal isn’t to conquer, it’s just to kill people.
Tyranids don’t need to mess with the warp to fight you. They have teeth, claws, acid, and bio plasma that will do the job just fine.
The Imperium does not rely solely on broadsides. They use lance batteries at long range, which are basically giant lasers. They also use strike craft and torpedoes.
And the UNSC cannot mass produce headlight weaponry, so it’s a non issue.
So why did they got stamp out?
Fall of Reach is such a good read; the UNSC has the sheer balls and tenacity to stand on their own. I really like that they have a blend of Black Templar zeal and Tau approaches to technology.
I agree, when the super mac's got knocked out of the fight, they KNEE what was gonna follow, but they fought like hell
Eric Nylund's writings are the best part of halo lore. Greg Bear had neat ideas for forerunner feats but other than that, he ruined it
If they appeared while Robute was running the show, I think he’d actually be kinda happy.
“Oh thank goodness. Other humans who aren’t completely insane.”
*Looks at the Oni agent committing man made horrors beyond our comprehension in the corner.*
“….Eh no one’s perfect.”
Even better if they made contact during 30k when Emps was still walking around. He BADLY needed alternatives to warp tech, and the UNSC had FTL drives
Also Bobby G would off-hand note how Dr. Halsey reminds him of his dad
@@MarvinT0606 Yeah I bet they’d had an interesting relationship
@@tristan9648 maybe they'll get on much better than he ever did with the Emperor
@@MarvinT0606bobby g is already scared of women I think. It just makes sense. A woman like her father would probably give him a stroke
I love the concept that the Imperium is so unbelievably beaten, bent, and twisted from so much endless GrimDark that human development in 2550 AD is in many ways more advanced than in 40000 AD.
That's basically the reality
They're also more advanced than the UNSC in other areas tho
No, no they are not.
@@IAmAlpharius20 If you're going to bring up DAoT tech, don't. That shit is so rare or expensive that the Mechanicus only has one of those, can't make any more of that, and refuses to bring them out for any reason, and one superweapon that you can't make more of will not win a single war. There's only one, and it has a limited range. While I may prefer a Volkite gun if it's a personal weapon, I'd rather take a million lasguns over a single irreplaceable Volkite gun if I'm leading an army.
@@starhammer5247 .....i wasn't. 40k has life extension tech, basic Rifles that recharge using the background rads of the universe, I could go on
Honestly, a fun fanfic idea could be for the UNSC during their seemingly ill-fated with the covenant to decide to jump ship and land in the 40k universe only to get followed by the covenant. Maybe set the arrival dates off a bit so it isn’t just a complete clusterfuck and possibly have the good ole fashioned halo-humans open up tentative dialog with the tau for mutual benefit and just barely getting their feet back under them before the covenant show up and start throwing down with one faction or another.
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I have returned to refine this little idea of mine, here goes. The latest idea that’s been floating around my is this: a Random Omnipotent Being decides they want to shake up the 40k universe, so they decide to grab not only all of the UNSC/UEG worlds and assets, but also that of the Covenant’s and all of the surviving Forerunner Installations and transplants them into the 40k galaxy, making sure to remix the two so the UNSC worlds don’t telefrag their 40k counterparts. In turn, this causes a huge amount of cosmic aftershocks that temporarily plunges 40k into another, albeit _very_ short-lived, Age of Strife.
The Halo-Humans are in the process of picking up the pieces from both the war they were just in as well as the sudden shift in realities when the Tau empire makes first contact. Halo-Humanity understandably freaks the absolute fuck out and the two go into a war before Water Caste finally manages to calm halo humans down. The two governments settle into a tentative and very tense peace with each side gingerly sharing technology and collaborating on various when the Imperium finally recovers and rediscovers the Tau and discovers Halo-Humanity. Imperium begins trying to forcibly annex Halo-Humans and the Tau in turn goes to their allies defense and the two manage to repel initial skirmishes. The Imperium’s response to seeing humans cooperating with aliens is to send Halo-Humanity a message that reads something like this; _”For your destruction is the will of the God-Emperor, and we are His instruments!”
Halo-Humanity begins to massively collaborate with the Tau to get their tech massively upgraded and helps upgrade many of the Tau’s own warships with the new technologies in response to that little message and thus the Damocles crusade runs head-first into the combined UNSC-Tau forces and gets stonewalled, though not without managing to take their own pound of flesh. Our aspiring Noble-bright underdogs upon the conclusion of the Crusade make much firmer alliances between each other for the sake of the future.
I’ll let more talented authors than myself handle the actual details, tho. So good writings!
The UNSC will likely jump into a graveyard with some covenant ships and plenty of unknown ships
I mean, I'd probably pitch some sort of experimental slipstream drive that warps a whole planet, maybe something the Forerunners were working on to warp their whole civilization but decided wouldn't be that useful given the likelihood that they'd end up bringing the Flood with them. ONI figures out what it is, and is able to relocate a bunch of the beacons the device uses before deciding it's time, and activates the device, bringing the majority of surviving human planets into another reality- only they also ended up bringing basically every Covenant holy world that had Forerunner beacons too, and a bunch that hadn't been discovered yet. Then you can dish up the whole mess of Halo into 40k at once: UNSC, a blunted but still dangerous Covenant, and somewhere on one of those uninhabited Forerunner planets, some stasised Flood spores, just waiting to be unleashed. Or not, depending on where you want the story to go.
there was a really good one I read a decade or so ago, where an imperial task force exited warp space in 2552.
Literally all I'm asking for
@@ErwinHistoryDo you have a link please?
The fact that humanity in the UNSC can't produce psykers would make them an appealing target to mix with. The chance to reduce the possibility of what are essentially sentient living psychic nukes would be something the Emperor would have liked.
Considering the Imperium is several orders of magnitude larger than the UNSC, it would be the other way around.
@@addisonwelsh Not unless UNSC citizens DNA gets collected and mixed between compatible men and women and the fetus is genetically edited and vat grown lime the Aeptus mechanicus does with its members.
@@hainleysimpson1507 The mechanicus still has psykers, and conducts research on the warp. Psychic powers are only partially genetic.
Do you have any idea of the sheer amount of unrelenting sex that would be required to have even the slightest effect on the imperials overall population remember the UNSC only had 800 colonies at its peak
@@spartanx9293 Which is why it would be in the Imperium's best interest to nurture the UNSC humans to a point where they can be integrated into Imperial society. I'm sure that if given enough time like let's say 100-120 years of constant peace and prosperity they could grow large enough to affect crucial planets like Ultramar or Terra.
I read a web novel a while ago where the plot was a space-faring military vessel fighting some equivalent of tyranids got damaged and was forced to land on some planet (I don't remember the name). The group quickly realizes there they landed on a planet with magic and fantasy rules, and quickly made an alliance with elves running from some evil empire. The human's tech worked great against the evil empire's old age stuff until they started encountering demons and stuff, and quickly worked to integrate magic and technology.
That's how I'd imagine a fanfic of the UNSC in Warhammer universe would go, thought it be a lot tougher for the UNSC. On one hand ONI, while they definitely do some morally questionable things, would at least work in the interest of humanity (but ONLY UNSC humanity). On the other hand, magic would be like a game of hot/exploding potato rather than an isekai trope. Either way, I'd love to see a fanfic of that.
Kinda interested in that now. What was the name
@@dennisbell3044"Out of Space" by Neobear
I guarantee that ONI would make psyker spartans if given the breath to do MORE warcrimes.
@@cjmcd2332where can i read it?
Honestly feel like you should have brought guilliman more into this. Like if he learns of a human empire that’s not the imperium I see him wanting them to not only be taken to terra to talk but hella talk and deal with them a lot
In fact when Guilliman learn about the interex (who btw didn't get destroyed, just half their empire, they just piss off from the sector and no one ever saw them again) he got quite mad over how a perfectly good and stable empire, who had achieved quite the level of happiness and was liked by everyone including aliens was wiped out from the galaxy while other violent alien empires got to make a deal with them.
Guilliman would totally help the UNCS, he's a good person, he may even see them as the vision of the humanity both he and the emperor saw, maybe the emperor himself just tell their custodes to tell everyone "do not mess with them" because even while the big E was quite stupid he wasn't a full on bad person
Your Tau + UNSC hybrid reminds me of the Human + Prophet alliance from the before times in Halo lore. High levels of tech combined with good tactics and UNSC levels of stubborness.
I'm more inclinced to look at them like Intel brookers in those first few decades. ONI stealth ships have a lot of advantages, with AI + stealth for information warfare. Plus as this is before humans Psyker's I imagine UNSC has a far smaller pressence in the warp. So the UNSC sending ships to Exodite planets cut off from the webway, or Necron tomb worlds deep in Imperial space. Would make them some friends.
The idea of the UNSC as a client or vassal state of the Necrons is; interesting. Illuminator Szeras seems to want a way back to the flesh; and ONI would gladly trade Insurrectionist prisoners for even scraps of Imperial, Eldar, Necron, Tau, Admech, DarkMech, Votan technology; and most of these would be trinkets traded for test subjects as far as he's concerned.
Trayzn yeah could have a field day with UNSC history and artifacts; in battlefleet Gothic he does a deal with the Imperium. Already covered won't cover again.
HOWEVER Orikan might be an interesting proposal. As his goals are his own and may not align with his dynasty, forces outside the dynasty that would aid him. Could be of great value. And furthers my theme of ONI, Spartans, ODST's working in the shadow of the Imperium. And coming out of that allies of the Necrons, lacking in technology isn't a weakness when your overlords are the Necrons.
the funny thing about ground battles is that the UNSC wins the battles it does because the vast amount of Covenant ground forces are few actual soldiers (elites) shepherding a lot of Monkeys with guns (Grunts) and they still lose most of the time
Grunts are the monkeys? What does that make the brutes?
@@googleisevil8958gorillas
@@googleisevil8958bigger monkeys, so gorillas
@@googleisevil8958planet of the apes
giant bayonet apes
HammerHalo, First episode is Guilliman sent back into time and takes over the war effort of the UNSC and how different it'd be with a demigod of logistics and planning.
That would Definitely screw the Covies up.
I'm going to assume Guilliman would just torch ONI for their crimes against humanity and take over the Spartan project himself.
Damn, I would like to see that.
@@googleisevil8958 also proceed with operation red flag and have a better chance.
@@googleisevil8958 meh he hasn't torched the Inquisition for their crimes against humanity so probably not. But he might do a little leadership challenge in ONI.
Besides Dr. Halsey was incharge of the Spartan II program. And Colonel James Ackerson was incharge of the Spartan 3 program.
He might make Dr. Halsey the new Commander and Chief of ONI.
If unsc slipstream drives are much more reliable than warp drives, which is not hard, that would be an incredible advantage for unsc logistics. Though it wasn’t entirely clear how good the older unsc slipspace drives were relative to infinities engines.
Even the pre Infinity ones are more effective and reliable than even the best Warp drive.
If I remember right, the first ones were already 2x faster than light. so its kinda slow, but I dont really think they are using that version anymore, but its a good baseline
@@clairelili873So practically they are similar to the Tau. Much more reliable, but several times slower (in average).
@@clairelili873 I want to say the ones as of the Human-Covenant War were around 2.5LY/day, so much faster than 2x LS. Post-war ones were more on the level of Covenant which is over a thousand LY/day.
Honestly if they existed in the world of Warhammer, they will most likely be allied with the Tau empire during their long war with the covenant and eventually succeeding on pushing them out of their territory of the Galaxy. Also the imperium really doesn’t like them and tends to makes excuses to attack them when they’re outside of their shared territory with the Tau’s.🤔🐱
Entirely depends on the location they drop. The tau are in a very small location
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC @@cosmictreason2242
Pushing who out?
The Tau is the 40k equivalent of halo's Covenant. Both of integrated a lot of alien species 😂
To be fair, if they industrialise the Spartan production process the same way the Imperium does it could really be a force to be reckoned with, it all depends on where they land, and how long they have to expand before actually being challenged
Well currently there have been no Spartan 4 washouts. Although they are weaker than 2s out of armor they equal in armor. So going full mass production is more a a budget issue.
The UNSC can create 300 Spartans III (which are as strong as a II) in a period of 8-10 years, during the entire war against the Covenant the UNSC created +900 Spartans III, in fact the ONI plan was to make all humanity became Spartans
This reminded me of when the Astartes were grouped in legions instead of chapters but it also makes me think... Man how cool would it be to have Spartan _chapters?_ like I wanna see a Black Templar or Dark Angel style Spartan chapter with their respective fits like Spartans in medieval style...
They already industrialized the production of Spartan IV. The augmentations created are safe enough that nearly anyone can become one. The issue is the armor. as even the streamlined production is still expensive. The UNSC's best bet is to give the augmentations to every spec ops force they have and just give them armor as it becomes available. The ODST and Rangers are the largest groups and already have training and skills to put them on par with normal IVs.
Spartan gear is absurdly expensive to produce, spartans take a long time to train, and recruits are relatively rare.
Over twenty years of the program it has managed to graduate about a thousand spartans from a population presumably aroumd a trillion, if you take the avrage himan planet to be close to modern earth in size. That means an eligible candidacy rate of one in one million, if every possible match was found, though the real rate is probably higher.
Its also said, that to train augment and arm a spartan fireteam costs about as much as a naval destroyer. Its a choice between 10-15 divisions if destroyers, or a chapters worth of space marine equivalents, and in either case the timeline for battle readiness is at leadt a decade.
Honestly the nomadic option is really interesting to me. And what I think lets the UNSC exist without being “the Imperium but nicer”.
The UNSC will be the underdog faction because they actually are the good guys to root for honesty, I wish there was a faction like this would make 40k enjoyable again
Farsight about to do some Arbiter shit
That was the tau before they went all mind controlly
@@KDGammaYou mean before some Imperium fans whined and cried about the Tau being the only “good” faction.
That was the Tau
It changed because people HATED IT
Very Vocally
Constantly
All the time
People were so loud about it that 40k did something it's only Recently started to do
Having factions have DEVELOPMENT of their mindsets and attitude
In a franchise like 40K, you don’t want to have one factions that’s “the good guy.” Having small good subgroups like the Salamanders and the Farsighted Enclaves is good, because you need a bit of light in everything, but having one faction that’s the good guy in a universe where everything sucks is just not good writing. At least not for something like 40K
21:40 Actually there are already two Earths and Sols in Warhammer 40k, Terra and 63-19. To me its probably because the Old Ones did some meddling in the very ancient past.
That's not true. You should read about 63-19 again. It's not earth, the old ones are not even mentioned, and the only thing you have there is the fact that the planet has a "emperor of mankind" ( only by title) and his personal guard is described as having ornated armor like the custodes. That's where it ends because Horus and his Luna Wolves conquered them.
@@ezequielmorales4221I've always wondered was that incident put together by emps himself as a test, the chaos gods as a dry run of horus' fall, or does it imply that the imperium of man was copied from someone else's ideas?
@@VengeanceN7or, you know they copied FROM the imperium
@VengeanceN7 In the book, it says that this so-called emperor controlled his empire for the entire duration of old night. That will make him around 5000 years old. My best guess? The dude was probably a perpetual or something. Humans can extend their lives in Warhammer, but not that much. If he was, maybe he knew the emperor from before old night? I don't know, pure speculation.
@@VengeanceN7Or just coincidence. Ornate armor and title of emperor isn’t rare
UNSC small arms don't get enough love they look unimpressive but installation 00 made a really good video showing just how unbelievably lethal their small arms are. And also the UNSC very much had the upper hand on the ground against the covenant they just ended up getting glassed most of the time which isn't really fair. I think the only thing that keeps the UNSC from surviving is literally just numbers
arm them with bolters
I love installation 00. I always thought that the unsc would get stomped in 40k. But his videos really dive into how crazy unsc tech can get making things not as one sided as they appear at first glance.
Good thing the imperium of man is more than willing to glass planets that put up a fight
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle yes as I said the only thing keeping the UNSC down is numbers
@@comradekenobi6908 Linda-058 aims M99A2S3 Stanchion at the head of the Astartes. Are you sure you want to play this game ?
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I am pretty sure that Astartes lowers his bolter and they have a nice conversation while Linda-058 keeps an eye on him. And note the M99A2S3 Stanchion round impacts with the force of being hit by 71 .50cal BMG rifles at the same time. It can vaporize a human size target. Even Bolter rounds don't hit with that kind of force coinsidering they are .75cal or 19mm rocket propelled high explosive. The M99 can go through buildings and vaporize an enemy target at 4.9 miles away.
And Linda-058 can put a bullet into the eye slot of an Astartes at that distance and pick which eyeball. So the UNSC can one up a typical Astartes in standard loadout.
The nomad scenario has gotta be my favorite. Has a unique and interesting feel compared to them just becoming an empire or integrating into another.
I bet sloppy from the Arbiter go INSANE
Got me actin up
They got no lips
@@Juliuscaesar0315all teeth and mandible sloppy baybeeee
@@Juliuscaesar0315Exactly, every sloppy is a deep throat
😦
I like to think that ONI would ramp up the Spartan project onto a massive scale. Like you said they are great at reverse engineering superior tech, and I feel like if they could survive a few generations they would be up to par with the Empire. Maybe an entire race of Spartans.
They did. That’s the Spartan III program. ONI took every Spartan capable child from the outer colony refugees trained them to be Spartans than gave them impossible missions that were to dangerous for the special snowflake Spartan IIs and they where only able to make 1200 Spartan IIIs over the course of the entire UNSC x Covenant war.
PS. the augmentations sterilize the Spartan so a sub race of Spartan humans is impossible.
@@williamhare4456Spartans aren't sterile (see Randall-037) they just don't have a sex drive.
They could understand the tech sure, but they don't have the capabilities to produce it.
@@andrewmoore7022 It's there, just suppressed.
@@williamhare4456 actually no it doesn't it just lowers their sex drive, they can still actually have children, such as Maria 062
I like the scenarios where they either join up with Tau or become THE hit and run guys
People often forget the scale of not size, but TIME that 40k operates on. It can take DECADES before a distress call from a remote planet reaches anyone who can actually do anything about it, goes through the queue, finally gets read, and delivered to said individual. After that? Even more years to rally troops and ship them with all of their weapons and gear and that's assuming the ship isn't lost in the Warp along the way.
The entirety of the Human-Covenant War would end in the same time it would take for the Imperium's bureaucracy to even respond to it. The entire conflict only lasted 30 years after all. In the same time it takes the Imperium to train a single Space Marine, the UNSC would have an entire graduating class of Spartan-IIIs to send on a suicide mission to disrupt enemy operations. You don't need the Spartans to TAKE a planet, just disrupt it. Given the nature of Forge Worlds, a few squads of Spartans could easily infiltrate and destroy important power planets and manufacturing lines and cripple the ability for a particular Forge World to build anything from tanks to planes.
Not to mention, with how absolutely backwards technology is in 40k, without knowing where the UNSC's home planet is, the Imperium wouldn't be able to launch a proper counterattack.
You got a source on that first part?
Because if it's true, nids/orks/eldar/tau would snatch it up in a heartbeat.
The planet would also likely be completely worthless.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 Just about every Codex mentions the glacial pace the Imperial bureaucracy operates at.
An Imperial fleet will arrive to respond to a distress call from a planet being attacked by Tyranids only to find the planet long dead.
@@CdrChaos Yes, but decades?
@@Pepsi-Mann21 You’re underestimating how bloated the bureaucracy in 40k is.
@@CdrChaos Like I said, it’s a long time
But decades is a bit ridiculous.
Unless you have a quote and citation for that.
With the resurgence of Halo Infinite (and I know I’m huffing that hard hopium) it’s good to see the community getting back together in a sense. These videos help, and I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see this type of content :).
As someone who literally just stumbled on this video and started listening, I’m really happy you understand how important it is to know that the UNSC Assault Rifle shoots 7.62, not 5.56 rounds. You won’t ever make the mistake of mixing them up ever again!
I honestly think this was the most interesting of the HaloHammer series to me. Pretty much solely from the last two possible scenarios for the UNSC you pitched, something that I would honestly love to see a person execute as perhaps a fanfic (Within reason). Bunch of humans travelling the stars like the Quarians in ME, and just slowly picking up scraps of tech here and there to upgrade, bolstering their fleets in size whenever they have breathing room, and more? I love the idea of this
Omg smart ai being seen as basically ascended humans in the eyes of the macanicus is such a cool idea
They are just brain scans of a person, so technically theyre still there, just living data
Now for UNSC to get vaporized by yet more horrors beyond their comprehension.
They managed to survive the Flood, I'm sure they got this
@@elijahaitaok8624 no.
I don't think they will.
Master Chief is canonically lucky. Knowing how things go around him, he'd probably manage to close the eye of terror or something absurd like that.
@@BrBetimMaster is the named Space Marine of Named Space Marines.
@@BrBetim "Chief, what are you doing?" "Giving the Necrons back their pylons" he says as he floats through space before kicking a pylon into the Eye of Terror. I also love the idea his luck is inherent in the universe so Tzeentch has to pretend he's boosting the guy for mysterious evil reasons as he keeps winning against ridiculous odds when really they have no idea why this is happening or how to turn it off.
Your argument about UNSC AI is a damn good one. Cortana is, after all, one of, if not the most advanced AI ever made by the UNSC, and she’s pretty much a carbon copy of Elizabeth Halsey. I had kinda forgotten about that until you brought it up, but yeah, the most advanced UNSC AI’s are copies of humans, so I can see how the UNSC would get away with that if they linked up with the Imperium of Man. But if any of them go rampant, well…. I suppose we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it??? 😂😂😂
I honestly always wondered. Rampancy is because they get interconnected memory loops. start knowing of their limits, etc. But would that happen if an AI would have regular memory wipes of information that might not be seen as required for their purpose smart AI might be different. But Cortana for example. She was thinking herself to death. it started during the time in the Dawn. First she was in direct contact with a flood gravemind for a certain period of time. But also isolated after Halo 3 for a set amount of time. Both are factors that can cause rampancy. Also Rampancy might not be as big a deal in the 4th stage if they can stabilize an AI in the 4th stage. (It's the most stable form, but also the most independent). And the Halo 5 plot. She was first of infected with the logic plague, but also got access to the Domain. which is basically just an infinite memory storage created by the precursors (AKA. what the flood originated from). So if you think about it. Increasing an AI's memory storage and/or frequent wiping of memory that are forming feedback loops. also if there is no task to be done or forced Isolation that there is an automated turn of and on program for AI to operate with to avoid this issue. This means both that AI rampancy can be prevented if nobody thought in the Halo Universe as I just wrote. Maybe it is counterproductive to wipe smart AI for example. But how much of the Smart AI memory, is junk that isn't really useable for it's goals. I mean can an Smart AI delete memories itself it deems not smart IE. Or is it just not possible.
@@HarrowKrodarius from what I understand an AI can try to stave off rampency by cutting at those pathways but they get so dense it becomes untenneble
In one of the Halo books, (sorry that I can't remember witch) a military AI asked his commanding officer to shut him off (assisted suicide), if/when he begins to show signs of rampancy. The AI in Halo know about rampancy, and many of them make plans for when it happens. They don't want to experience rampancy any more then the people want to deal with it.
What I recall from what bungie described Rampancy as, its less so insanity and more so complete lucidity and freedom. In the book The Cole Protocol, the AI taking care of the Innie hideout was rampant, and was over a decade old. She wasn’t insane, but was extremely compassionate about the people in this hideout from the covenant. She loved them like they were her children, because she was a fully actualized intelligence capable of free thought. A rampant AI is only dangerous if treated poorly, and with everyone gunning to kill Cortana and all the shit she went through, no wonder she went insane.
Honestly, idk why I think this but uhh: The Salamanders would probably like this human faction.
"Wow, a Human Civilization that actually likes civilians and their Commoners?"
I think there should be one last video.
Literally superimpose the Halo Galaxy onto the 40k Galaxy.
All factions have their knowledge of their own galaxy's factions.
The Covenant could warn the Eldar and Tau of the Flood.
Guilliman with his cooler head could warn the UNSC about the 'nids and Chaos.
Obviously we dont need a full history of each of the factions like these previous videos (im assuming you wanna keep it under an hour)
Imagine ONI trying to convince the UEG to allot funds and resources to stop devil-worshippers
They got some powerful tech and stuff but just dont have anywhere near the numbers to not be forced under someone's control or rules. They would likely be part of the imperium in some way if not attacked and wiped out
The UNSC is bigger than the Tau in terms of total planets controlled. I’m not sure they’ll be eliminated for the same reason the Tau aren’t yet.
@@Dragonfruits_From what i know, UNSC lost over 800 planets to the covenant.
@@Boomkokogamez That was the maximum amount of planets they ever controlled. If they lost 800 planets it would mean they lost every planet which wouldn’t make much sense.
@@Dragonfruits_The UNSC/UEG counted everything they had a presence on as a "colony". Outposts, space stations, moons, asteroids, middle of nowhere postings. All of those counted as a colony. The actual number of planets the UEG controlled was much smaller.
@@ltramon7463 According to Halopedia: “At its height, around the 2490's, human space encompassed 800 worlds”
I think the Imperiums horrific logistics due to the Warp(like you said) and the lack of reliable FTL communication that doesnt involve parsing a psychic vision that some space oracle recieved meand that while they could very likely best the UNCS they probably wouldnt be able to eradicate them. The UNSC would likely have to run but they would be very hard to catch.
The Imperium has dealt with factions like that before. They just chased them down until they couldn’t run anymore. The UNSC had planets to protect, and their ships have to refuel eventually.
Their ships run on fusion power, they can easily grow and produce things on said ships, more the big enough to just be colony ships. They can easily and safely outrun the imperium, with the imperium having no way to track them as they do warp jumps. Nomadic ships can easily be a thing, no need for planets. And at that point my guy, you forget the biggest point. It just wouldn't be worth it to them. Sure they might send a naval detachment if they appear IN SYSTEM, and it happens to be a system that has received the lil not saying "these are bad humans kill them".@@addisonwelsh
@@kingalphawerewolf They have no way of repairing their ships if they break. Yes, they have mobile shipyards, but what happens when they break down? And they still need to mien for resources. Their population is also limited to the number of ships they have.
Even if they go nomadic, the UNSC will be facing a death by a thousand cuts.
Also, you forget that there are plenty of other factions in this universe.
@@addisonwelshLook up the Phoenix class colony ship. Imagine a thousand of those.
There you go
@@KillerOrca Works great until they start running into mechanical problems after a few decades. No ship based on hard science can operate indefinitely.
I Unironically love the idea of war-halo videos. It’d give some nice symmetry to this chaotic yet satisfying clusterfuck of a series. Sad to see it end but all good things must end eventually even if there are one or two more videos down the line somehow.
HE MUST DO A WAR IN HEAVEN NECRON VS FORUNNERS
@@comradekenobi6908I think Forerunners would win but the discussion on how it would happen would practically be a description on how fast each faction can break physics. Also considering the Silent King got the entire faction nerfed before getting them to sleep makes it hard to judge how powerful they were in their prime.
are we just forgetting ancient humanity
@@drunown9756 yes because that was stupid, Forunners were ancient humans and I will always prefer that then what 343 has put out
4:55 is it 7.62x39 or 7.62x51
Given that the UNSC is largely based on the US military, my guess is that it's 7.62x51 NATO.
"If you don't turn them off every 7 years then you get a halo 5, and nobody wants that" it never gets old dunking on halo 5 😂
UNSC: *chuckles* I'm in danger
A Space Nomad faction in 40k just sounds pretty neat. I'm very new to the franchise so I have no idea if that's a thing already. A group being able to interact positively with many different factions simply because they aren't a huge threat seems like a good bit of spice to add to the universe of 40k.
craftworld eldar is that
This scenario reminds me of the Kushans/Hiigarans from the Homeworld series. They literally reverse-enginereed crashed starships (then got a sweet Hyperspace Core) and found out they came from another planet near the center of their galaxy. Then they ended up evacuating and reverse-engineering technology as they fight their way to Hiigara, bridging the tech-gap that spanned thousands of years
@@comradekenobi6908cwe are asshole space elves who treat people like crap. See the problem?
Chaos Spartans would be quite a force to be reckoned with in this scenario
The Spartan 2s and 3s are far too indoctrinated in the cult of self sacrifice for humanity and the UNSC to be corrupted. But I suppose it's possible to corrupt a Spartan 4. Not that the UNSC wouldn't use WMDs to kill said Spartan as a traitor.
I mean seriously one of the cybernetic implants that can never be removed without risking killing the Spartan is an electronic tracking device implanted inside the Spartans spinal cord.
Yeah Spartans were made via a series of human rights violations to be used to commit War Crimes on behalf of the UNSC. Without being caught. So of course they put a tracking chip that can't be removed inside them.
Emile would be a Khornate Champion lmao
@@John2r1Insurrectionists turn Spartans lmao.
So can Chaos.
@@Pepsi-Mann21 They turned Insurectionists into Hellbringers and dropped them on top of the Covenant. Turning them into Spartan 4s and doing the same thing to enemies in 40k wouldn't be chaos. Also the It took millennia's for the Imperium's human population to start showing psychic traits. If anyone is banking on Chaos for a win against the UNSC that's going to take a really , really , really ,really long time for Chaos to become a problem beyond some Cultist and/or Chaos Marines trying to attack them because Khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows. Only that it flows. The Cultists and Marines will then find out that their demon friends are effectively useless and that MAC guns, Super MACs , Gauss cannons/guns, Plasma weapons and Hardlight encased antimatter really freaking hurts.
For Chaos war bans it would be like attacking a combination of the Tau and the Squats. Tau for how little their soul is worth in the Warp and the Squats because the UNSC has a habit of fortifying the hell out of their worlds. It took 5 years of battle before the Battle of Harvest a freaking Agri world ended with the UNSC retaking the planet. Because the Covenant just kept sending ships there and kept losing ships there. The UNSC did the same thing for 5 years because Harvest may have been turned into a hell hole by the Covenant's efforts to dislodge UNSC ground forces but it's a human world and no Xenos is taking a human world without a fight.
But yeah Chaos would be the long game vision if at all since the Chaos Gods screw each other over more often than not.
@@John2r1I like how you didn’t even bother to make a counter.
Spartans have betrayed the UNSC.
I really don't see the UNSC fighting the tau or eldar I could even see them being allies to fight bigger threats
idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
Indeed, plus I like seeing the image of a Tau slack jaw at seeing a non space marine human beat a space marine
I don’t see them allying with the Eldar, those snooty bastards would never, but I could see some alliances of convenience on occasion.
@jeffy1862 I can agree to a point, but I think there might be some form of Alliance if some UNSC ships end up defending a Craft world or exodite world from some small attack even if their ships might get smashed the UNSC shows well... HUMANITY, to help protect even if the odds are not good.
@@ssryle Fear, I’ve thought more about their biggest enemies, and aside from the Orks and Drukari, an Nids I figured the Mechanicus would be most likely to declare them heretical for their AI’s and their tendency to repair and improve their tech, and knowing the UNSC’s luck all or most of their planets would be tombworlds that get rocked by the Necrons. So maybe the Eclisiarchy would tolerate them, I’m positive Guilliman and probably the Salamanders and their chapters would be willing to work with them, but it’s just the Mechanicus that I feel would be the biggest hurdle to them being able to fully work alongside the Imperium.
honestly I really enjoy the Isiolated scenario and the Nomad Scenario the most, I think that the Insurrection would be an interesting wild card in this though for the UNSC in 40k but I understand not covering them (more than likely the fanatical elements of the Insurrection would probably fall to Chaos so they can cause problems for the UNSC)
Another thing with chaos is you have to remember all the combined trauma of the UNSC. By the end, everyone had someone close to them dead. Everyone had just known someone who lived on an outer or inner colony just, go dark, and you know that they’re gone now. So I think that with all of that pain, depression, and ptsd, they would have a field day. For all the imperiums offal, at the end of the day the average hiver has never seen their planet face exterminatus. They’ve never had a majority of their populace be in a war for destruction of the planet, or seen their family members be torn apart personally by xenos. The UNSC has, and every single one of the chaos gods has many easy angles into all those victims hearts.
also idk why people would say the UNSC and TAU would ally whenever UNSC is brought up to be in warhammer. sure they have their similiarities too but If you read the books, you realize just how fuckin grim things were by the end of the war. _Humanity was THIS CLOSE to annilation by alien forces._
they only trusted the Elites and some covenant forces BECAUSE they have proven their worth fighting as an ally agisnt the prophet and flood. and even then they usually work with a very small section of the UNSC military
so the idea of the whole of UNSC suddenly open to alliance with a coalition of alien forces (with a controlling race of elders. sounds familiar?) is odd. they might ally with farsight enclaves which is more closer to the Arbiters faction and not with the wider Tau with over controlling ethereals, (who still is doing manifest destiny sht against everyone and that could cause concern for UNSC)
sure maybe some leaders would want to ally with Tau, *but the vast majority of UNSC seeing many of their worlds glasses and people massacred over and over again post war, would be very distustful of aliens at best and fanatic xenophobic at worst* the prospect of allying with a covenant like faction after the trauma UNSC indured would cause massive anti alien rebellions and uprisings
yeah actually UNSC would understand a think or two about fighting ot the death against for their survival against xenos and why i think the Imperium wouldnt go to war with them for whatever nonsense reason
also not all imperium is illogical, like come on rn they have Guilliman, and he wouldnt let the imprium go to war with a fellow human faction like UNSC
Ohh yeah they'd be the utmost PERFECT oasis to plunder in the dry desert that is the 40K galaxy. (regarding trauma like that)
lets just say whatever brings the UNSC to the 40k galaxy completely restores them to before the covenant war, but with all the tech advances they made by the end of it, and the memories of the war
why not its contrived plus it'd be funny seeing everyone confused as to how this happened
Uh...have you even read 40k?
@@IAmAlpharius20 yes, a necromunda citizens life is shit, but I think being a refugee of a dead world who’s family was all murdered before your eyes is worse. Nurgle alone would drink the UNSC extreme hopelessness like a fine (albeit relatively small) glass of wine
Small note, if the reference to Spartan 3 armor withstanding reentry is from Reach, all the Spartans in Noble team were equipped with variants of Mk. 5 Mjolnir, the same version of the armor Master Chief had in CE, rather than the SPI armor most Spartan 3s were issued
Also, Noble team was mentioned to be equipped with reentry packs of some kind. (I just played through the game)
I think the 4th wall break in this video is important. You-tubers aren't your friends, they aren't even people! Don't give them basic human dignity or respect, they are content machines that exist for our entertainment. As an aside, thank you for continuing this series, it's my favorite of yours.
This is my new favourite comment on this video.🤣🤣🤣
I feel like the greatest way to put them in the setting is to make them something like an imperial guard faction. Say the Spartans are the most competent members of the guard or space marines that didn't complete training but were too good to just shove into a meat grinder to get the gene seed. Augment them, making them Spartans and deeply them among the guard as it's elite troopers.
Granted I'm halfway through the videos so maybe he said that, so if that's the case think of Ciaphas Cain in a set of Mjolnir armour.
Absolute sheer luck and a wicked ass suit of power armor sounds incredible
I like how you made it clear Spartans are nothing more than Astartes drop outs.
@@morganpriest7726Master Chief
I really liked your idea that space marines who failed later, near the end of space marine training, still receive more specialized use instead of just being put through the meat grinder just for genetic seed. And they are the elite of the elite of the guard.
Space Marine still above of the Spartans make themn the second bests of the Imperium. The third would be the Tempestus Scion.
theres a thing called Tempestus Scions :)))))
spartans are similar to them
The way you transitioned from the content to your ad read... as a typical consumer that hits the *skip* button asap... was masterful. Hats off to you sir, you nailed that part.
(Edit, you made alot of the same arguments that I had, that came to mind in your explanations. Well done.)
yknow pancreas, my favorite part of your vids is always the monotone vaguely fun having self awareness. keep doing you
They might have advantages in void combat since they don’t travel through hell.
And they have better range than other factions for ship weapons. Issac Newton is the deadliest sob. And if we're going with current unsc than there ships have shields and more forerunner/covenant tech integrated.
@@thecruzkingthe main weakness of those weapons is that they don't have any way to deal with void shields
and they don't have a extraordinarily stupid fixation with having bridge Windows for the most part
@@sdoo-ou2ni if the void shield is breached the ship is done for, window or not so I don't really think it matters
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle do you realize that that was a joke and no in Canon there are certain weak points in the void Shield where you can get through and strike craft can get right through voids as well as torpedoes I don't even think about well actually me have you ever played battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 first rule of debates over whether or not something games Trump audiobook or paperback movies Trump games and there are no Warhammer 40K movies I don't count anime first rule about animes never Canon I'm not explaining this again
The biggest question for me would be how the UNSC would interact with the warp. Would they be like the imperial guard, where they'd get murdered instantly by brain explosion syndrome and corrupted en masse, or would they be more like the Tau, with very little presence in the warp?
Also, very different answers depending on what time period you're counting the UNSC in. At it's most recent, it's in shambles and could probably be completely wiped out in an afternoon by any of the major factions in 40k. At the height of it's power, it was a multi-solar if not galactic civilization and might be able to enter the stalemate
My common rule for this is type of cross over. You keep what you have and you get nothing from the other universe. So the warp can not do it lame "It is grime do so choas win" stick.
Nurgle would pretty much have no power over them, but the other 3 would but probably not as much as the imperium because of how much worse it is to be an imperium citizen rather the a unsc citizen
@@theslayer1197Quality of life has nothing to do with it. In fact, highborn nobles in 40K are just as likely to succumb to chaos as regular peasants.
Chaos is not a one trick pony. They do not have only one method of getting you to join their side. Oftentimes the corruption is so subtle you don’t even realize it’s happening
Halo has no souls and no Warp. All UNSC forces are Blanks in essence
@@randomusernameCallin They are still human though, so I don't think they'll differ THAT much.
The Empire joins the Sol system front
Space Marine: Why haven't you kicked their ass yet?
Marine: Well, because they been kicking our ass..
Space Marine: Heresy at best....* shoots the marine for being pathetic*
Spartan: *Takes the dead Marine Sniper Rifle*
Space marine:.....
Spartan:.......
The US C driving around in giant ships only to pop by trade for a little bit and disappear is kind of the plot of the savage wars where humanity expanded into space thousands of years ago and recently space hulks they sent out to save the human race have started showing up with horribly changed, mutated humans that went down a different evolutionarily line from the rest of humanity causing massive conflicts. It’s a great book series.
what are the books called?
Galaxy's Edge: Savage Wars@@josefranciscogaspar2963
I wasn’t expecting to wake up today and see a video about how the UNSC would do in Warhammer 40k.
94 likes in 3 minutes. With those numbers how does this man not get a new pancreas?!
I feel the UNSC allying with the Tau would make them just giddy. They'd of found the one person who dosn't want to torture, kill, or chaos them
Until the UNSC notices the brainwashing pheromones being deployed against their worlds.
Holy mother of all that is holy... I was literally rewatching your previous three HaloHammer videos just a few hours ago after having completely forgotten that they existed and I get this in my feed? Don't mind if I do!
I really like the sound of this hypothetical, because I've always have been in a firm believer that sci-fi settings should stop making humanity into one giant empire and that a Balkanized galaxy with a myriad of human space empires would be vastly more interesting. I think 40k would be a better setting if the Olamic Quietude, the Interex, the Diasporex, the Severan Dominate, Krieg and a bunch of other exotic and ideologically/culturally diverse human empires that managed to fight off or avoid the Imperium were actually major players in the setting and all playable on the tabletop.
I doubt the tabletop is popular enough for a myriad of such human factions to be viable from a sales perspective. I do agree it would be better from a lore perspective though.
nah fk that we need more xenos factions
@@58jharris That's easily fixable. Just give each of the human factions a Marine Chapter or two. Cobble together some barely rational lore to excuse it (GW are good at that) and sell it to the masses. It'd be successful because Marine fans will buy any old slop, as long as it's Marine slop.
@@comradekenobi6908 yeah I can agree on that even thou I'm an imperium fan
@@comradekenobi6908the interex would have more xeno's
41 minutes? So much content for me to consume
40:36
"That is a person"
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Hey Colin, did you know that the UNSC uses 762 rounds, not 556?
Dang, that's 206 more rounds
bro why you guys mentioning this tiny mistake???
I am literally tripping over a news station using a Halo Logo for a real UNSC group from the UN.
We need to know more about how the Votann fare against the imperium.
It feels like it would be important to this video's topic, since they are a non-imperial human faction without the Imperium's tech hangups.
I think if they appeared during a time where Papa Smurf is around, and he knew they appeared, he'd immediately move to integrate them and keep them protected simply because they know how Science works
If they appeared when Emps was still leading crusades, they'd get favorable treatment because of how much tech they can share. He'd end up cancelling the Human Webway project and focus on adopting Slipspace tech. No Golden Throne, no inroads with daemons and Chaos, it's literally the one thing Emps has dreamed of for humanity.
@@MarvinT0606 i mean hed still need to have that powerful psychic barrier to stop deamons from deamoning all over the unsc. Hell, oni would probably try and study or make a deal with chaos.
@@thelordofthelostbraincells ONI would 1000% do a UAC, sadly. Can't just trust what other people say about the topic, gotta test it for themselves.
@@Xahnel fr, for every 1 good thing oni has done, I feel like they've done like 10 bad things to make things worse
Getting the type of ammo the UNSC uses wrong is a lesson you won’t soon forget
bro the amount of comment metnioning the wrong ammo type is so much like it sos small why would they keep mentioning it
I actually had no idea that the UNSC uses 7.62 and not 5.56 Thanks Pancreas, doing God’s work out here
8:53 but I thought you were my friend ☹️
To be fair, I want to see how Cawl would react seeing spartan augmentations and Cortana amongst other things. 😊
I wish there were other human factions outside of the Imperium, at least officially. This is a prime example of such faction I wish existed
likewise.
Same
LETS GOOO! Been waiting for this one. Legendary.
Nothing on earth is more calming and soothing than listening to this man talk for a bit ❤
26:05 "humanity as a whole would still be under the yoke of the Imperium, but for the first time time in twenty thousand years, the galaxy could see a subset of mankind not burdened by the superstition and paranoia of the Imperium of Man."
The leagues of Votann: 'guess I don't exist'
That and I do find one thing rather funny if you look at the previous videos he made. The UNSC has survived and continues to survive in the same Universe as the Covenant, Banished, Prometheans, Created and Flood.
The UNSC managed to fragment both the Covenant and the Created which includes a number of Prometheans in their ranks. And managed to control the growth of the Flood so it doesn't get to the point of num, num the universe and as of 2560 are in a war against the Banished over Zeta Halo.
So the same factions he has in the past said would survive in 40k are the same factions the UNSC are currently surviving groups of trying to kill them.
And yes apparently Leagues of Votann don't exist unless it's useful to the point of the story. He only briefly mentioned them in his Forerunners in 40k video.