I Turned down a 992 GT3 Touring allocation | EP 142
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Janko, I really appreciate hearing a different and intellectual perspective compared to all of the other glowing reviews out there on the 992 GT3 Touring…it’s refreshing and respectable. Wow, I think the biggest shock for me was to hear your sold the 718 Spyder. I have been following you for a very long time and I don’t think I’ve ever seen you smile with that much joy as you did whenever you were in your Spyder. If it is truly the ending of an era for a NA Spyder, it may be the one that got away that you never stop thinking about. Great content as always! Cheers.
Janko didn't review a 992.1 GT3 Touring with a manual transmission and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres, he reviewed a 992.1 GT3 with PDK and Cup 2 tyres(semi-slicks/track tyres).
Thank you Random Hawks, I do miss the Spyder sometimes and it is still one of the best Porsches I’ve driven.
@@gen1c8rs88 fare point but please remember the speed is build from the chassis and both cars has the same setup.
@@JankoLind Yes. I bought a Spyder based on your advice in one of your live RUclips sessions and WOW. I'll never sell it. Thanks for the great content. Enjoy your RUclips 'retirement'
With all due respect, this was 22min of talking yourself out of sleeping with a fashion model for fear you won’t be able to get it up.
Well played sir.
LOL you might be right, but I hope you have listen to my definition of a car collector. Same principle. IF you are not already, please consider subscribing.
lol! The best remark on the internet.
Colin what are you doing on this side of the internet ?
Colion go Easy on him, they aren’t allowed to defend themselves over there, the only weapons they are allowed is there wit.
Janko hit it on the nail. This is exactly the frame of mind I found myself in especially after my Trans-Borneo Tour 2020 in my 993. Back to basics and loving it. I don't care to own a 992 Porsche GT3. I'll cherish the 997.2 GT3 that I have cos that's back to basics for me - total engagement as a driver.
Hi Alex,
At least I need some time to gather my thoughts. Take care Alex.
I sold my 7.2 GT3 for my 981 Spyder, I do miss the GT but the Spyder is 90% there, and topless :)
You make a lot of valid points, there’s absolutely no point in spec’ing a car weight saving mods with weighty options but my understanding and appreciation of the GT3 has always been the race car with excellent road compatibility. A lot of the suggestions you made I feel would be suited for the RS models.
More like a GT3 Cup
(No sun-visors and full fire extinguisher system)
Please take into consideration that it is a huge step from the 992 GT3 to 991.2 GT3. The 992 GT3 is not as much fun to drive on the open road believe me. The problem is not its engineering it is one of a class, but you have to drive 50% faster in corners to experience it in comparison to the 991.2 GT3. And when the speed reaches jail speed I'm out. The car gives you so much more confidence going fast and in addition, it's actually boring to drive at a slow speed. That's why it is a 100% track car, you need a track to experience the 992 GT3, public roads are not good enuff. Therefore the option I listed is much valid. When I read all the comments I understand that all of us takes the old picture of the GT3 and apply it to the 992 GT3. I say, touring, Club Sport, and RS is no longer needed, we only need GT3 a track car.
I think you are confusing the GT3 for a GT3RS. The GT3 is not a race car. It is an extremely track capable street car that drives very well on the streets. It is for those that only have the opportunity to track their cars maybe a few times a year but want to enjoy the benefits of a high revving naturally aspirated manual transmission car throughout the year. And if owners want to make the interior more beautiful by adding deviated stitching and items of that nature, why hate on that? I’m a fan of your channel but this is a bad take. This review would apply very well to the GT3RS, but not the GT3
too expensive to track. center locks also a pain in the ass at any venue
Spot on the GT3 is not a race car it is pinnacle of a great sports-car high revving man etc -
@@02hreblue30 if you can afford a $200k+ weekend car, you can afford $5-10k/year for track expenses (1-3 trips)
@@02hreblue30 You can buy a centerlock removal kit and just leave it in the car in the event you need it at a repair shop.
Well said 👌🏻
Well, the sad Swedish soundtrack finally fits the content.
But, Janko why do you need such a ‘shoe fit’?
The beauty is to feel such sophisticated technology.
To enjoy what it is at any level. Not to necessarily flatter one’s driving skills. I own a 917 and drive it slowly around the track because I am not a fool. It is a ride in Apollo’s chariot. No need to impress the car, myself or anyone. I just enjoy the pure automotive genius. A pleasure which justifies itself. Come back to us!
Hi Jerry,
Well, the "shoe fit" is all about feeling the car. I understand that when you drive your 917, I could imagine (?) the feeling, not only the technology but also the history and legacy, just as I do driving a vintage 911. The 992 GT3 is like driving a BMW M3 until you engage a more active driving and the threshold is in hi-speed. I don't want to buy a 911 and only get the "Porsche thrill" when driving the car on a track. I don't want to be misunderstood, Jerry; 992 GT3 is a pure automotive genius but not on regular roads. Porsche runs through my veins, and I will come back, but I need some time to gather my thoughts. IF I regret not buying the 992 GT3 Touring, I most likely need your help/recommendation when I beg to get back my allocation.
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Thanks Janko.. Another fantastic video as always! Your videos always bring a smile to me and my husband.. My thoughts on this video is that I couldn’t agree more.. The GT3 is overkill for most drivers in almost every situation.. At least for us, the Carrera S is the all around sweet spot in the Porsche lineup.. Just the right amount of power and it’s still offered with a manual transmission.. Keep up the good work! Greetings from northern Kentucky, USA.
Happy to bring a smile to you and your husband. The 992 GT3 is not as much fun to drive on the open road believe me. The problem is not its engineering it is one of a class, but you have to drive 50% faster in corners to experience it in comparison to the 991.2 GT3. And when the speed reaches jail speed I'm out. The car gives you so much more confidence going fast and in addition, it's actually boring to drive at a slow speed. That's why it is a 100% track car, you need a track to experience the 992 GT3, public roads are not good enuff.
Much respect here Janko, you are a deep thinker and clearly an experienced fast driver, however the 992GT3 isn't a race car, its actually good for "rolling in the street" and deleting carpet would be horrendous, this is not a race car rather it's a very capable road car which is excellent for occasional track use. I too don't have the shoes you mention however this GT3 is a perfect companion for an old guy such as me. I'm thinking Janko might you prefer an older 911? a really nice example and to make that car your own. very best wishes - Roger
100% agree with you.. a Singer would be mind blowing.. but also just kept the manual Spyder and get a PDK GT3, both for b-roads should cover all needs IMO. Also all the thing about taking a Touring to the race track doesn't make much sense to me. On the other hand if the Touring would have had the option of add rear seats would have made the absolute perfect b-road car (jus because of being able to share the experience with your kids)
I strongly disagree with you as expected Roger. Driving the 992 GT3 on regular roads is like driving an M3 with a noisier cabin. It is a true race car. The car is asleep under 150 km/h (93 miles/h) and then, wahoo, it wakes up :-)
Not sure what I'm going for Roger, I might regret one day turning down the Touring but time will tell. I don't doubt you will enjoy your GT3 and congratulations on your car, but for me, today, it does not feel right. As always thank you for all the good videos you publish on RUclips.
@@JankoLind lol - fair enough and thank you 😊 much respect & best wishes - Roger
Holly shit, I was thinking this three months ago when I sold my 991.2 Gt3rs and bought something slower and cheaper and find myself having way more fun and using it more often(bmw m2 comp). Bravo mate, you hit it on the head. These cars are just getting to fast to enjoy. Unless you are a track junkie you are getting it to collect or to pose. I have enjoyed Jankos videos for some time but this was hit different. A true modern day car philosopher. I just wish I had the emotional intelligence this guy does to make videos of my feelings
I'm not sure how to respond to such a beautiful comment. Big thank you, Sir. Perhaps you have honored me with your subscription and it is never too late to start your own channel, but remember, you will never earn money today.
Janko’s videos are always insightful, always different than the herd. This one was even more insightful. Damn he is good.
Thanks, Bob, it's my religion and for someone it suits and for someone, it's too off. IF you are not already, please consider subscribing.
There are soooo many Carrera models with a reason. Almost every person can find one that fits his/ her way of driving.
997 Sports classic is the answer
I agree, I say there is a Porsche for everybody. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
I like the video Janko but I think you might regret turning down the Touring. I have the 991 version and it’s my favourite car of all time. I have not driven a 992 GT3 yet but Porsche never go backwards so I’m sure it will be awesome. You don’t need to drive these cars flat out all the time to enjoy them. Just my view.
I understand what you mean and perhaps (?) you are right. But driving this car 10% is no fun at all. I know.
I also have the 991 version and agree with you Mike. That engine mated with the pefect gearbox makes every drive an event. I can’t use the car to its full potential but I don’t care.
@@JankoLind You could drive a "manual" 992.1 GT3 with Michelin Pilot "4S" tyres at 75% of it's "back road" potential while other might be able to get 100% of the "back road" potential while being a safe driver. 10% of it's potential is would be only appropriate for driving in cold wet conditions or driving like the car is a Fiesta ST, and in that case's even a base 911 Carrera is 50% overkill.
That is so spot-on. I thought I might have been the only one who turned down an opportunity to spec a 992 GT3. Short story; shortly after taking delivery of my GT4 last August, I realized it might be all the car I could ever need. I may never be able to consistently drive it to the edge and back. Because every time I get close to where I think the edge is, it seems to move a little further out. The car has a soul.
There is much work remaining for me in the GT4. What a great place to be.
Congratulations to your GT4
I just got an allocation for a GT4. I have always wanted a normally aspirated manual Porsche. The GT3 was always the dream car but you and Janko have made me feel much better about my decision to proceed with the GT4. I feel like I need that car in my life. I am not sure for how long. Eventually I think I will end up in a carerra S. Maybe we could get a T with the GT4 motor some day.
If you like GT4’ s i guess this is not about whats best its about what you love what you feel
Thank you for yet another excellent and intelligent video. When cars get so fast that we can’t truly enjoy them at sensible speeds, their reason is lost for the enthusiast. Some of the most fun I’ve ever had driving a car, was in a lowly gen 1 MX-5. I wasn’t fast at all - but I had a blast!
I feel that pretty much every modern car is “too good” to be properly fun for me on B roads - which is part of the reason why I, most likely, will be returning to motorcycles after a 20 year hiatus. The fact that my dream manual 997 GTS would be more than 10 times the cost of the bike I’m looking at doesn’t hurt either…
You have a point but my taste will move towards the 996 GT3, the 997 is too heavy, in fact, a manual 992 Carrera S is 10 kg lighter than the 997 Carrera. The body is too heavy wish is applied to all 997. But I would consider a 997 as a daily.
It’s a weapon. Matching your safety envelope with your excitement envelope is a risk decision. You show careful understanding of your boundaries. Finding a new alignment will be an interesting step forward for you. I hope.
Finally, someone understands, Nowing your boundaries is a hard thing to find but in the same way making sure you don't stop your development. The 992 GT3 is not as much fun to drive on the open road believe me. The problem is not its engineering it is one of a class, but you have to drive 50% faster in corners to experience it in comparison to the 991.2 GT3. And when the speed reaches jail speed I'm out. The car gives you so much more confidence going fast and in addition, it's actually boring to drive at a slow speed. That's why it is a 100% track car, you need a track to experience the 992 GT3, public roads are not good enuff.
WAIT!! You sold your 992 and Spyder??? Mind blown. I will NEVER sell my 992 (base with 20k in options I selected). Perfect car! Looking forward to seeing what you get next. Honestly, I don't want a huge spoiler on my Porsche/911. That's for the track, I drive daily. Beside, in America, EVERY teenager has a huge spoiler on their 5-10k car. Big spoilers on non-track cars are ridiculous imo.
I put myself in a tricky possession, I know Will.
First of all, glad to see new Janko content again. This was both surprising and at the same not. It was a very emotional video and therefore brilliant. But looking at your earlier content, perhaps this was in the stars? The 992 GT3 is hitting such high marks these days that the art is perhaps being lost? I am gradually building my pace with the 718 Spyder and very happy it is an open top that enhances all nuances. Perhaps this is the way forward with modern GT-Porsches? Removing the roof enables the enjoyment all the way to the limit, not only at the limit. Anyway, refreshingly surprising video!
You might be on to something Predrag.
After a string of 911 and GT3 I still have the 718 Boxster T , apart from loosing bragging rights to higher status 911’s which I can take it’s still the best driving Porsche I’ve owned
I love hearing owners thoughts on the 718 T. They are always positive. Never like the press state.
Great to hear. I have the same idea but I feel my younger self would hate me if I buy a Cayman T eventhough it is what would fit with the small roads I drive on.
The only Porsche I've ever owned was a 991 GT3RS and it was without question the best car that I have ever owned or driven. It unfortunately died during a major incident on a wet track - I survived. I now have a 718 GT4 on the way which I hope will satisfy my urge to drive another Porsche. She who must be obeyed stipulated that I wasn't to buy another "Racing Porsche". It is my hope that a Carrera White GT4 with no decals and sports buckets meets that stipulation :) I also anticipate that it will be a grand driving experience. Thanks for your comment AL - cheers.
@@ziggyfreud5357 sorry to hear about the RS , ( my GT3 was a 991 amazing at 9k revs ) and amazing on track, but you will have a great time in the GT4 I’ve been on track with a few at Goodwood and Silverstone GP circuit and they are so agile 👍
@@antonylacroix6475 :-)
Hej Janko, I love the stuff you share, truly. I am also in a position to make my car (718 S) a true drivers car, race car a bit. And here is the question: do you have expierience with rear axle stabililizers upgrade. Why? I had this exp that after a few track days my rear axle started to squeak on a teansverso bumps. AD advised to mod this for some third party race elements. Can you advise?
I suspect a lot of those who are turning down allocations for the GT3 , both models, has more to do with the current state of the market and the super high ADM's.
Most are just trying to justify that decision of saying they don't want it when they really do, but are doing the financially responsible thing and waiting this crazy bubble we are in.
No shame in that, but call it as it is, and don't play head games with yourself.
I suspect you’re right
^this
First of all in Sweden we buy our GT cars at the list price. That's how it works in Sweden. How do you mean taking the financially responsible thing... I did sell two cars to buy one? Of course, I would have bought the car if Track days were high on my agenda. But at the end of the day perhaps it was all game in my head to make a mature decision? If you are not already, please consider subscribing to my channel.
Great video Janko….agree that it would definitely be too much car for me. I’ve been daily driving my first ever Porsche, a 992 C2S MT for 4 months, and I’m euphoric just looking at it in my garage like when you were 19! I don’t think I’ll ever need more HP or Torque to put a smile on my face every day.
Wow, you again managed to impress me with your opinion, Janko. A few months ago, I sold my 991 GT3 Touring with 20,000 km on the clock. For similar reasons: I felt I wasn’t filling the shoes with what I did with it: 5 % Autobahn, 5 % City, 90 % backroads, 0 % track. Rarely in a higher gear than fourth. A year ago I had added a 992 non-S, and it gives me a lot of fun on the B roads. Maybe more than the Touring, by now. Guess I’m getting old…
Or do you just understand the Art of Driving?
I think you're spot on Stefan. The base Carrera is perfect for the road. There's no need for more. Ego and ostentation I think makes the base Carrera a no for many.
if you only care about driving, i think the 718 gts 4.0 is much better than the 992s, i found it more fun to drive than the 992 turbo or the 992s. Most will go with the 911 cause the 718 is not a 911
how can you compare base carrera and 9.000 rpm driving in 2nd and 3rd, or downshift from 4th to 2nd, manual ? I really don't get you
I want 992 base model too. Sunroof, PDK, standard wheels, minimal options.
You have officially lost your marbles Janko.
LOL did not know I had them. But J Hardy, the Porsche 992 GT3 is one of a kind. It increases the corner speed by at least 50% in comparison to the 991.2. One part is the technical improvement but also because it gives you much more confidence, and that increases the corner speed. On public roads, you hit jail speed, and I'm out, losing my marbles apparently. You need a track to experience the new 992 GT3 public roads is not good enuff. In fact, the 992 GT3 is boring at slow speeds. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind I am subscribed. I love your videos. You know, you could say the same thing for many cars now days. Sometimes it’s just about knowing what the car can do while going slow and how special it is. Besides, everyone breaks the speed limit every once in a while!
I think the GT3 Touring has a place for those who are after an NA 911. I’m sure many lining up for a GT3 Touring would choose an S or GTS if it came with a NA option.
i think the gts will be the best value 911 model as it will most likely come with NA engine as it does with the 718.
Funny, I love my 4.8 Cayenne GTS and find myself driving it more over time. I’m either getting old or just love the NA sound of a 4.8. Some days my 911s just need to rest. Or perhaps I need to rest?
What made you sell the spyder? I currently drive one as I await a gt3 touring previously 991 gt3 which I wish I’d kept.Spyder gearing maybe spoils the drive ?
Very insightful comment - I turned down GT3 allocation and after thinking about your video have decided to cancel my GT3T order and stick with my 991.1 TTS for now :) - thank you 🙏
Why did you wear watch on left hand before and on the right hand while driving the car ?
I turned one down too. Except my decision was because of the $50k markup!! Haha! 😆
A good reason as any if you ask me.
Next Video: “Why i changed my mind and ordered a GT3 Touring”
LOL well no, the Next video is which Porsche is your first? My recomendation.
Thanks Janko for sharing your honest opinion, refreshing take on the 992 GT3.
I think your comment about superbike driver is all the reason needed to walk away.
At least you have the 928 to spend more time with before the ”next one” comes up.
Thanks, Justin, after the decision, I find it even more peaceful to drive my Porsche 928 S4. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
hey Janko !! what a great video !! this really makes me think 🤔 ive always been set on GT3 but after watching this and thinking would the GT4 or Carrera S be enough or like you would say would these fit better for my ability ? great video thank you
Go look at Shmee150's Cayman GT4, his reasoning and what he has done with it, see if that helps make your decision easier.
@@gen1c8rs88 ore perhaps have a look at my review:
ruclips.net/video/1dhKZ9zn_Vc/видео.html
You have to make a list for yourself how you are going to use your car and then look at the models Porsche offers.
Great video again Janko, and I totally understand what you're saying. I've often thought Porsche should revive the Club Sport package. They came close with the T but not done enough I think. I agree 350 bhp is more than enough for the road, and naturally aspirated too. A narrow bodied 911 with rear seat delete, bucket seats (non-carbon ones to keep the cost down), a short shift low ratio gearbox and an LSD with forged alloys and a suspension setup for B roads would be perfect. (Honestly, I think you need to try and 996 GT3 or maybe a 997.1 or 997.2 GT3.)
I own a base 997.2, I've never felt it needed more power, I've never felt like I'm missing out. While I'd adore a 992 GT3 I know I'd barely tickle the cars ability. I know my license would be gone in no time at all as it's just too fast for the road.
Well put John, I hope Porsche one day understands and builds the car you and I describe. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind subscribed a long time ago. Love your content. None ostentatious and very informative and passionate about Porsche.
Janko thanks for this. This actually helped me a lot. I am in the process of upgrading from a cayman S to a 911. I decided on a Carrera S as I wanted a manual. I keep going back and forth on maybe I should get the PDK. But you said it best. Get the car that suits you and what you will use it for. I’m not a track guy either. I’ll track it but I prefer the B roads as well. I want to engage with the manual. I know the PDK is better but I am realizing it’s what I want and like you said you need to make it your Porsche. Thanks.
I'm happy for you Jason, it's all about making it yours and yours only. There are too many people buying a car for others instead of focusing on themselves.
What a great video, just bucket loads of common sense, as a current 997 and previous 991 GT3 RS owner I do question myself as likewise I am all about the B Roads v Track and the RS is absolutely not a great car for British B Roads. It’s so easy to get caught up in looks, wings, carbon etc when actually it’s all about the drive and how rewarding the drive can be in the right vehicle. I recently drove a 911 R and it was absolutely night and day v my 991 RS, never smiled so much in a car.
Well, there you have it, Royd. Thanks for watching, and if you are not already, please consider subscribing.
Haven’t seen your video in a while… This was solid. You explain your philosophy of the 911 GT3 and find yourself opposite to where Porsche went. The ending was dope! BTW yes, a GT3 Touring with a roll cage and carpet delete would be cool and extremely tasteful!
Welcome back, hollywoodcheremonkey, I've missed you. One big point for me is also that the 992 GT3 is, at least 50% faster in corners in comparison to the 991.2. As a result higher speed. Why on earth would I then select a car with less downforce deleting the rear wing?
I hope you still have your subscription going?
@@JankoLind Yes I’m still subscribed. Thanks for the reply! I’ve just been busy. The biggest issue for the new 911 for me is it’s size. It looks too big. It doesn’t look agile and nimble like a sports car anymore. It’s more like a GT car now.
Thanks for your thoughts Janks. Love your passion. 😎
Thanks Mohamed
Yanko another top video, a very honest review! I came to the same conclusion a few months ago, it would be to hardcore for me. I had waited years to be offered one and was a very hard decision to make. My daily at the moment is a pristine 997.1 Turbo and its fantastic with a real RETRO feel, I prefer it to some of the newer Porsche products I've had. Keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing where you go next with your car journey, new T said to be coming?
Thanks, Midasman 17, thanks for watching. I have decided to take it easy for a couple of months to see whats happens. Yes, the T will arrive in Q4. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind I am and have been subscribed for quite a while! Love your vids, enjoy your break.
Janko - very thoughtful video; you raise some very interesting questions. I understand what you mean about wanting to fill the shoes of the cars you own.
I have a friend who owns a 991 GT2RS. He does probably ten time attack events a year with his car. It has shoes I could never hope to fill as a track machine. When I ride with him on B roads, it feels to me as if the car is wearing a choke collar - the roads so limit what the car can do.
I own a 964 that I’ve had modified quite a bit, including shorter gear ratios, modern adjustable coil-overs (KW, Onix V2), stiffer sway bars, monoball bushings and a manual steering rack (from a 964 RS). My car is an absolute blast on B roads and is always nudging me to become a better driver (incrementally). I’ve also done occasional track days with it - it’s performance is more than enough for my level of skill.
I can’t imagine myself driving the GT2 RS hard - it’s just too big a step in performance - I’d likely get myself killed.
congratulations to your 964, it sounds like an amazing car to drive. IF you are not already, please consider subscribing.
The best 911 would be a 718 Spyder with a 911 badge. Since this is not possible the next best solution is two cars consisting of the 718 Spyder and the 911 Turbo S. It only took me four 911's and two Spyders to figure out the Porsche utopia formula. Now people get so fixated on the journey to find the perfect car they don't realize when they found it until they regret selling it. You did make this mistake in selling your Spyder. Get your 718 back and the 911 turbo and stop making videos about the fear of missing out and focus more the driving ones. The driving videos are what gets the subs instead of the 'I don't know what to do next' ones.
Wise words that will wake up many who are not really track drivers and only acquire the GT3 for collection and be able to show it to friends! This is one the best review you ever made! EXCELLENT!
the reason i bought the boxster T with 918 bucket seats, is due to you. i only drive on B roads and late night Manhattan and Brooklyn club events. driving in unknown countryside locations with deer and cute rabbits makes drive even slower than my capabilities. all turns are blind in the New York Adirondack and Catskill mountains. i hope the 280 lbs of torque, the 3000 lbs or so of weight, the never before experienced 918 seats, the slick short shifter, all will culminate in a connection with everything. i thank you so much for this video as well. it gives voice to people like me who are highly experienced drivers that also have wisdom about how to continue to be alive :). (my Boxster T arrives October 21 they say)
Here is how to gentrify a 992 GT3:
1. Get Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres(255/35r20 and 315/30r20 are avialable, check for local availability or order a few sets in) for less grip and more fun; equals lower speeds.
2. A manual transmission is .5 seconds slower 0-100kmh(4S tyres will make the GT3 Touring even slower, including slower to accelerate out of corners) and slightly slower when accelerating at higher speeds too because of manual shifting speeds are slower.
Also according to EVO magazine the touring has a little bit more comfortable suspension tuning(mabye this equals less flat cornering so it feels like it's closer to it's limit or if not the 4S tyre's less stiff sidewall will give you that feeling).
Does not matter, It will still need speed to get a performance blast. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
Love the “Janko chat” videos. If you want grown up, mature insight content, this is the place. If you want the “ordering my GT3, collecting my GT3, selling my GT3” series with shouting and lads, well there are other channels…
Thanks, Andrew, I believe you have answered the billion-dollar question, Why do I have few subs. lol 😂
@@JankoLind it’s the quality not the quantity that matters 😎
Not sure about the turbo being the solution to your "serious" Porsche case. Is ir really that different to 911S? Is the extra performance of the turbo really needed and at least a bit usable on the B road? Or are you after the feelings of imense power reserve that you would rarely tap into?
Good commentary Janko. Nice to see an honest assessment of need vs want. I agree 100%.
Thanks Gilbert :-)
U have a point concerning the GT3 even if I don’t agree. But I think the most interesting question is the new GTS model compared with the 992 S and 4 S versions. This new model is an evolution to these models and in a way it cannibalises a whole series of 992 models. A video comparing those will be very interesting.
I totally hear you about the too large shoes! I am also with you ordering a Carrera S and being totally happy with the choices and the outcome of MY car. The front bumper looks weird anyways in the GT3
I appreciate your videos a lot because you seem very similar to me.. just sold my F12 in order to keep my 718 Spyder and take advantage of a November allocation of a manual 911 GTS or a new 911 Turbo (non S). My initial thoughts were to get myself in a position to get a GT3 touring.. but.. my talents are nowhere near the limits of that car, which was the same with the F12.. manual GTS or Turbo look like the pinnacle now for the “normal” B road driver until something else arrives in the lines of a T... thought provoking. Thanks for that!! Hope you don’t feel regret after selling the Spyder..
Good comment and congratulations to your cars, I would go for the 992 Turbo.
@@JankoLind Hi Janko, not sure if you still monitor replies to your channel since you said your goodbyes.. but if you do.. I just watched this video again a year on.. My views of the GT3 haven't changed.. but.. if you've not tried the following car.. it's definitely worth it! This car really took my by surprise.. a Huracan EVO RWD.. I've had one for 9 months now after cancelling my 911 Turbo order.. It's a revelation! (p.s The only 911 I'd want now is the new T.. manual, in Gulf blue, but the Huracan would have to stay!)
@@cowanscott9047 somrtimes I go back to my channel to communicate with all of you sharing thoughts 💭. Something I miss. Have not tested the Lambo but if I get the chance I will. Take care…
Janko, the Spyder and you were one! You were my Spyderman!!! Aweeeee….
OK, someone else will be very happy. I like the message of your video. It makes total sense to me.
Keep defining the art of driving!!!
Timo
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Agreed. He had said multiple times spyder eliminated need for gt3, but then suddenly sells it for a car he turns down. That’s some serious about-facing.
Janko, a man who buys a car to suit his driving abilities (shoe fit) not for bragging or a quick profit. Respect! I remember James Hunt saying when he was young he drove an ordinary old British car to its limit and loved it. He didn't need massive power. His skills and limits of the car were a match. The race to increase HP these days is crazy and unnecessary.
Interesting view point I’m with Porsche on this one, in the face of passion quenching EU regulations I applaud them in producing another true drivers car.
Some therapy will help enjoy the break
For the record, I applaud them too. The Porsche 992 GT3 is one of a kind. It increases the corner speed by at least 50% in comparison to the 991.2. One part is the technical improvement but also because it gives you much more confidence, and that increases the corner speed. On public roads, you hit jail speed, and I'm out. You need a track to experience the new 992 GT3 public roads is not good enuff. In fact, the 992 GT3 is boring at slow speeds. If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
WOW, Thanks for the honest review! I too started at 19, and 33 years later still involved. I have a 993 Turbo and and GT4, just sold my 997 GT3 in prep for a 992 GT3. But. Now the reviews are coming out and I am thinking that I am not a fit for it, am I going to 'USE IT' as a 992 GT3 (I will do track days, but to a 992 level?). And will it give me the drivers experience??? I think not. I think it might be too good. Now I am torn.
The 993 Turbo has and is always harder to drive than my 997 GT3. Should I stick with that. I don't know. I feel your pain.
If you are only going to go on a track day and drive your car back and forth the go for the 992 GT3. IT will make you much faster and you will feel confident driving the car. It is much easier to drive than any other Porsche on the market today. That's why I turned it down, I'm not planning to do track days and on the road, I will end up in jail.
The car is boring to drive at slow speeds.
Really sorry you've sold the 718 Spyder. Hope you'll make a similarly long reflective chat video about what happened. You clearly loved that car. And of what use is all your wonderful driver's knowledge if you let the true love go, and go so soon. (I might add that your Cayman T was similarly loved and similarly short owned. Strange pattern.) Please keep up the excellent videos, always my favorite Porsche channel (which is why I feel your Spyder loss, ppf that made the GT silver look like aluminum, and the little dashboard model car and all).
100% agree Janko, unless you regularly get on a track with a GT3 it is way too much car for the road. It is an amazing vehicle (and I would love one) but overkill if you never regularly get it on to the track to fully exploit it. Most Porsche models are and that is why it is such an aspirational brand. Your points again are a great argument for the people to consider the amazing base 911, especially if you never plan to get on to the track. I loved my 991.2 Carrera T, even that was too much to exploit on the road but amazing on track. Keep up the great work!
I will say...love the video, love the car! In my opinion this is overthought. Janko says this is a Race car and takes issue with the specifications for the road. The problem is that this is not strictly “the Race Car”. You can always go to Porsche and custom order a race car. You can pretty much order anything you want if you pay. The issue is this is THE ROAD CAR version, for the majority of the demographic that will want a race car experience FOR THE ROAD. Thereby putting as much race car bits in as possible, but also add Comfort items as well for those that want it. Lets be honest, NO ONE is going to drive a real RACE CAR on the street with plastic windows and no AC. “Passenger Seat delete”? Well I would imagine if you fear your own ability to not take a passenger when racing on the track, you can always take the seat out. Let not overthink this and get all bunched up in our outrage of what other people want in their cars. If I order a GT3, its because I love and respect is RACE ability and heritage, but I want to drive it on the street, take my wife and Daughter for rides, have some fun, and also have some creature comforts on top as there will be times I want to relax in the car as well. This is nothing different than competitors do, Ferrari, McLaren, whomever. In all those cases, if you really want a pure race car, then go to Porsche and tell them what you want and they will build one for you. Don’t get upset because there are options that exist for the 99 percentile of buyers of this ROAD car with RACE ability and heritage. That’s my 2 cents! But thanks for the video...and as always love the videos ...keep em coming!
Totally agree. It’s a street car that gives you a great track experience if you choose to do so. Granted it’s not close to the most comfortable street car Porsche makes. However, the NA engine, manual, red line, and amazing sound make it something unique.
Hi David,
I love your comment, it makes a lot of sense. What you describe (which I realized when I read it) is my fear of gliding away from Porsche as a brand (not their jet). You put words in written describing where I do not fit in today's automotive business. I still think you should go for a GTS or a Carrera T if you use your car as you describe. GT3 is for the track and driving it back and forth. The 991.2 GT3 was also for B-roads.
@@JankoLind Hi Jako! Yes completely agree. The T would be an excellent car for the street. BTW I totally see where you are coming from by the way and it is a good discussion point. One thing I forgot to mention in my thread, is I'd like a car I could occasionally track as well for some fun. Not just street only. But I wont kid myself, I don't have the space for a dedicated track car. For me, I have to compromise to find the best fit for me. Again, love your vids... I'm a petro Avia head and can't get enough. Keep em coming!
What a great video, I totally understand and agree with you. I had a time slot to order the car in NL, but after the second test drive (partly in Germany) of 4 ours with the GT3 I knew for sure; with this car you have to drive on the track. The new GT3 is comfortable, and you can spec the car even more comfortable, but not for every day use, the car wants to be revved up and cornered, continuously. Do you have enough resources to buy the car next to a CarreraS, and do you want to go on the track at least once a month, BUY THE CAR AND ENJOY!
Dear Janko, I can see you perfectly at home in a Lotus Emira.
Lets be honest this is madness, you will regret turning down that allocation.
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Very mature view of the line up. I have 718 S and it a great daily driver. Gearing is high and the top of second is over NC speed limits. I am looking for a Track car and find most over spec. A Carrera T NA would be perfect.
Do you still want a soft top? How about the new Z4? heard its good and much cheaper too.
Hi
agree, however when money is available everybody wants a GT3…
at least once in a lifetime
Rgs
Not me I own a 992 C2S. GT3 wasn’t for me and I daily drive my 992 S
Would disagree with you on the passenger seat delete or too much racing parts, but in complete agreement that Porsche over the last decade has steadily migrated to premium segment, both increasing prices, moving models upmarket and made the sports car range unnecessary luxurious and thus much less relevant to drivers, not posers...
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Why you are not going for a Carerra S manual, future 992 Carerra T or even a base model Carerra?
Solid and very good! Entertaining and with sound reasoning! Less is more here, (much of the time).
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I remember watching the Tom Neel and Jorge video, before i watched this video, and being just totally stunned and massively confused by it. This video, and i've watched it a few times now, has always resonated with me. I completely agree with everything you said here. I think the 992 GT3 coming with leather and beauty options is totally in conflict with what the car was engineered to do.
well we are some people understanding the preps of a GT-car.
Totally agree Janko. I know my personal driving limits and a 992 S is “reasonable” for me. Likely more power than I will ever need and yes, my car may be “bored and yawning at times.” However it is safe for me and more importantly others around me on B roads or even a track. To own and push a GT3 would require hours of additional track instruction. Perhaps I could gain the skill and competency - but life is short with many priorities. Pelle Lindbergh was a friend and fellow hockey player. I have never gotten over his untimely death at 26. You are correct about the passenger seat delete. Unfortunately Pelle had two passengers at the time.
Good points but don’t agree that it is a race car, GT3 is not a race car it is a fantastic street car capable on the track, What would be great is a rear seat option. 🥳
What you are talking about is a Cup car and that is available. Now I do agree if you are not ready for racing and just want to do track days with it then it would make sense to have the options to make it really light/raw. 👍
I think options for the owner to spec it in any direction is great😎.
Do fully agree that many of the modern Porsches have to much grip in the corners, not just a GT3 issue, if you like to play with the rear end you have to go stupid fast.
Now a narrow body 991.2 with Litchfield 600hp tune that both revs and have torque sounds very appealing in my book.
Janko GT 3's have always been track cars retuned for road use. I raced 996 GT 3 Cup and GT 3 997 Cup cars and my buddies did track days with their GT 3 road cars.
At Sebring International the Cup cars were about 12 -15 seconds per lap faster . That shows there is a huge difference between the race car and the road car.
No doubt that applies also to the 992 GT 3.
When you feel not safe because you feel the car masters you rather than the other way around just leave it alone . However that doesn't mean you should turn your back to Porsche.
On public roads you can't do anything fast anyway and certainly not in Sweden without getting into trouble with the law.
A nice new for road use is the VW Golf R maybe that is an option ( lol) ???
Interesting, I have gone the same as you ended with a 997 turbo. Was out of the Porsche community for 10 years and then bought a 911 Carrera 3.2 -86 which just make me happy and are hilarious on B roads.
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I think what you are looking for Janko is a classic 911 something well sorted, upgraded suspension, pre-power assisted anything, light as a feather with say 200hp.
Way too much horsepower in modern Porsche's and way more capable than us mortal drivers. With the money for a GT3 you could find a beauty i'm sure.
Good luck with the dilemma!
I've still got my Carrera T. I can't think what else suits me better as a road car!
Same here, my manual T is a real sweet spot for most and GT3 is overkill for 90%+ owners.
Same same. T Army for life (my driving life, at least...)
Love my 2018 T and my 2021 Spyder. The perfect combo. Thanks for all the fantastic videos!
I also pulled the plug on a GT3 allocation recently. They wanted 30k dealer markup just to get in line. Happy I didn’t pull the trigger. I totally realized I would have way more fun with the T also being a B road only driver.
@@TheEmpiredown love the T…seems to be forever the sweet spot. T army 3 years going!
I don't own a Porsche but I can still relate to this. I currently have a car that I can drive at 7/10:th and I also feel like it has too much "luxury" and it's a bit heavy for a drivers car. Then, the other day I tried a cheaper, lighter, and less powerful car and I could drive it at 9/10:th from the first minute. It was so much fun. I most likely will sell my current 7/10:th car and go with this 9/10:th car.
Well, put Mikael, well put!
Great video and I couldn’t agree more with all your points.
Thanks :-)
Very honest view. Many people buying these will be in same position as you but buy just because it’s a GT product. Personally I get more enjoyment from older models.
Drivning old models is a bless, thanks for watching.
Hmm spyder RS? Can't find any info that the spyder will come out in RS format
I slipped my tongue
Totally agree Janko. Well said man. The GT series IS too powerful and geared to high for daily driving. Would I want one just to have it and stare at it-- yes! But my 992 C4S with PDK just had NO joy. It was soul-less. I LOVE the interior and the beauty of the 992. But the way the motors and turbos are now. You have to truly work to find a road you can even enjoy it on. A C2S with a stick is truly one of the best ways to enjoy a modern Carrera.
Just my opinion. Cheers.
Wow another banger janko!! It’s unbelievable how you manage to excite me again and again with your uncompromising passion and non conformist ideals! Way to go!
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@@JankoLind subscribed already of course ☺️☺️ also on your insta💪🏼
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I would of taken the Gt3 touring purely on the basis of the engine and the look of the vehicle, which I adore, but I’ve recently sold my 992c2s and purchased a megane trophy R and installed a CAE quick shift box. It is a revelation against the 992. The car is so much more enjoyable than the 992 . For the first time in a very long time I am enjoying getting up early and going for a drive. The 992 with pdk was so accomplished but it’s simply too much for our uk roads. I can’t see the point in the new 992 GtS and I’m slightly bitter with Porsche that I can’t order a 992 GT3 but like you I would never get near it’s potential. So I wait to see what the new 992 T will be like with just a manual box , bucket seats and hopefully a naturally aspirated engine.
Pdk is boring apples with apples
I believe every person (understand petrolhead) wants to earn more money, and as you mentioned the costs of track days through out the year, i don't understand why you didn't took the dammed car and profit from it! Move your sofa of the living room and park the jewel just to contemplate it while its value grows and when you had it, sell it. The looks of the car are just amazing! Big regards from Colombia!
Race car, B road car, there is another type owner... “just to show off” car. Sadly this group has the most money and is the biggest market.
I'm crying with you Chris.
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The real problem as you've alluded to is the lack of NA option for non GT cars. That's a great shame. The GT3s are now so far ahead in terms of being out and out race cars that the NA power train is no longer easily accessible even if the bank balance is.
Janko this is a great video I fully agree with you, I suggest that it’s time for you to jump ship and come on the BMW M GmbH one 😊😉
I hear you, and I like your videos, but this time I disagree with your comments. I sold my 2018 Touring a few months ago, best car I have ever driven, on any kind of road, never took it on a track. I have now ordered a manual 992 Touring and I hope it’s exactly what I am looking for, a luxurious race car that I can enjoy on the road.
Perfect you and I are whom the car is designed for its about appreciating the engineering and enjoying the car knowing its ability for the road see the cookie jar over flowing. Its what turns you on at the end if the day. Enjoy your 992 Touring
finally someone rational.
Hi Mainardo de nardis,
I was on the exact page where you are right now. But the 992 GT3 is not as much fun to drive on the open road believe me. The problem is not its engineering it is one of a class, but you have to drive 50% faster in corners to experience it in comparison to the 991.2 GT3. And when the speed reaches jail speed I'm out. The car gives you so much more confidence going fast and in addition, it's actually boring to drive at a slow speed. That's why it is a 100% track car, you need a track to experience the 992 GT3, public roads is not good enuff. If you are not already, please consider subscribning.
@@JankoLind thank you for further explanation. Just in case, what someone as me could do as I love new cars and with new gt3...I don't now...my blubbering mouth.
@@JankoLind Janko, are you really saying that I or everyone else should get 991 GT3 instead ? I am not looking for high speed and I do not intend to go to track with my Porsche.
I love Porsche for manual transmission and sound from 9k rpm. I cant get it in any other Porsche if I am right ?
Love your honesty and staying true to yourself.
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@@JankoLind I am officially subscribed. I am a loyal fan of your work.
Did you mention Spyder RS Janko? tell us more about that!
New subscriber here. What a good exploration of the two camps Porsche is trying to please: rich dudes and drivers. I think kiwi nick talks about this, too.
Thank you Janko - excellent philosophy - I agree. We should buy the car that suits our personality and purpose. "Fast cars go in a straight line. Fast drivers go around corners" I bought the GT3RS to track it regularly which I have done until recently. Now I have a more sedate white 718 GT4 on order which I will mainly B road and occasionally track (if I get permission from my family).
Below my note to Antony Lacroix FYI :
The only Porsche I've ever owned was a 991 GT3RS and it was without question the best car that I have ever owned or driven. It unfortunately died during a major incident on a wet track - I survived. I now have a 718 GT4 on the way which I hope will satisfy my urge to drive another Porsche. She who must be obeyed stipulated that I wasn't to buy another "Racing Porsche". It is my hope that a Carrera White GT4 with no decals and sports buckets meets that stipulation :) I also anticipate that it will be a grand driving experience. Thanks for your comment AL - cheers.
I was offered an allocation for the touring but the dealer wanted 30k over list, I don’t care how great a car is….I will not subsidize greed
I AGREE!
Janko brilliant review and I understand you. I am the gentleman Porsche 991.1 Carrera s driver who believes that the 911 is a daily sports car with great engineering and passion. 99% of drivers do not go religiously to tracks to reach their.limits and the cars limits. There is also a responsibility on public roads for your safety and others. Your decision is brilliant. I have kept mine for 3 years and see myself keeping my manual 991.1 for another 3 years. Good luck
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@@JankoLind already subscribed love your channel. Keep it up thank you
Janko, are you interested in the rumoured 992 911ST (911R replacement)
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Did you test the Alpine A110 ?
Never tested it!
Porsche started more or less as a slightly tuned vw beetle. They should try to move back to the roots. Imagine a 911, shrinked 25%, narrow body, 1100 kg, small displacement low torque B6 revving to 10k, max 300 hp. Free from all electronics, GPS, soundsystem etc. Laps Nordschleife in no one cares.
That would be amazing!
Do you switch your underwear as frequently as you do with what arm you wear your watch on?
Hi Mark,
I've answered this question several times. When I produce, from time to time, I'm having problems getting a sean right. To get back on track I switch the arm I'm wearing my watch. If you need to know, in "normal mode" I wear my watch on my left arm.
@@JankoLind Hey Janko, only just started enjoying your take on Porsches and the 1st two things I notice about people are their shoes and watches. Adding that to your knowledge and insights, you pass that test in style!
@@markgregorek9981 Must admit, it was more luck than style. Please take care and if you are not already, please consider subscribing.
Greetings from Munich in Germany, a country with beautiful roads. I agree completely. I grew up „luftgekühlt“ with my first 911 SC in 1979. I was privileged to crown this dream with a 993 C4 X51 in 1997, which I will give to my son, when my “inner child“ will have gotten too tired . I also love my 992S C2, but i believe he marks the border area between enough and too much ! ….and by the way. A few years ago, Walter Röhrl, the „God Father of curves“ was asked, which Porsche he prefers to drive on public roads ? He answered: „My Porsche 356 SC with a little optimized (105 hp) motor“ !
Hello Munich!
Well put, but I'm afraid your inner child will never get tired. If you ar not already, please consider subscribing.
lol.... why did you sell the cayman t again?
but 14:50 carrera s will never give you the joy while manual shifting between 4-9 rpm. That is for me buying point when it comes to GT3. None of other 911 have that. For example, I would never buy turbo with that terrible washing machine noise.
Respectfully, I think you have it all wrong Janko. The direction of Porsche on this model is brilliant. This is the age of “I want to have it all”. If you want a pure pure track car, the GT3 RS/GT2 RS is the ones to get. If you want to drive the car more track, some road -> GT3. If you want to drive the car some track, more road -> GT3 Touring. If you want the “Gentleman’s” ultimate sports car -> Turbo/Turbo S. You made it clear you don’t want track days, and you want just for the road -> Carrera S/Carrera GTS. The beautiful thing about Porsche is their brilliant model options. I’ve owned many 911’s and found the Carrera S/GTS quite boring compared to other sports cars I’ve owned. But Porsche GT cars are brilliant. Put a decent after market exhaust on the Turbo S and it’s a strong possibility for a car that does everything. When you accelerated in the GT3 to pass that car, THAT’S what I want. We cannot deny the smile that throaty exhaust puts on your face. My current daily driver is a 2021 Cayman GT4…..but I have my eyes on adding a GT3 Touring.
The "rules" you play I agree up to the 991.2. They are not valid anymore and please excuse me if I'm wrong, but you have not driven the 992 GT3. The Porsche 992 GT3 is one of a kind. It increases the corner speed by at least 50% in comparison to the 991.2. One part is the technical improvement but also because it gives you much more confidence, and that increases the corner speed. On public roads, you hit jail speed, and I'm out. You need a track to experience the new 992 GT3 public roads is not good enuff. In fact, the 992 GT3 is boring at slow speeds. Important, if you increases the corner speed by 50% why would you then decrease downforce by removing the rear wing on a Touring? If you are not already, please consider subscribing.
@@JankoLind all good points Janko, but respectfully, maybe you’ve changed. Maybe you’ve reached a stage where you just don’t crave the thrill, the screaming flat 6, the rawness of a GT car. That’s ok! You used the term “Gentleman’s car” many times. My local Porsche sales rep does too when he’s trying to explain differences to folks. Maybe a little more boring and a little more comfort is for you. My GT4 is more raw than the standard S or GTS and I love that. I have four other cars all with the latest comfy rides and gizmo’s and gadgets and even massage seats. I love that the GT4 is a proper sports car without all that nonsense.
Janko, I hear you and understand your point, but I believe you are missing the main point on 992 S vs GT3x .. and that is the Turbo engine vs N/A engine (sugmotor), noise, revs and all..
Yes I agree, my old 964 or even 997 S had more than enough punch , that does not still mean that I wouldnt like 992 with N/A engine..
Go with 991 T 👍
You have a great sense of humor, I was laughing the whole time. Carpet delete? Too good.
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