Why do we need to thank them? The GT products make huge profits for them. How about giving thanks to Porsche when they let regular buyers actually get an allocation.
Believe me, we thank them by buying EVERY SINGLE ONE they make..... and thank the dealers even more by paying huge overages. I paid $40k over for a Touring allocation and actually feel like I got a great deal 🤦🏻♂️
I think I like the Touring more. But if I want a “Touring” I would probably choose the 991.2. Smoother ride, and the extra front end grip and responsiveness from the double wishbone isn’t really needed on the road.
@@samwisee Of course I do or I would not comment, do you?
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Yeah sometimes it’s good to take a step down with tires. We did the same with McLaren 765LT and put Michelin PS4S on. The car became fluid and much more drivable even in wet conditions.
I really liked this video and John's presentation, well done! Beautifully presented with all the right emotions and all the information you'll ever need. And I appreciate the 21:9 ration of the video, I can use all of my screen and it feels even more cinematographic.
The quality of the production, camera work, editing, the host, the entire team, is the reason why I just subscribed. Absolutely amazing job all around.
This was a wonderfully done video and the presenter has a pleasant, and eloquent way about him which is refreshing against other RUclipsrs who throw in silly antics. This video feels like I’m hanging out with a buddy who’s just telling me how it is without bragging. Well done.
Absolutely brilliant, this review. So many people review these cars and never have I seen a guy that sums it up so well and crisp like this gentleman did. This is all what the GT3 is about.
Pzero’s can obviously be fitted to a winged gt3, so this is not a magically better street car. People pretending the touring is inherently different is disingenuous. You didn’t really fall into that trap, like so many other reviewers, so thank you for that.
That's not how you should look at it. They are in fact a bit different. The rear dampers are tuned to be slightly firmer in the SPASM system on the winged car. But the rest is the tyres. They make a MASSIVE difference. Not sure what you mean by "can obviously be fitted". The Pzero is not unique to the Touring. What a winged GT3 gets, solely depends on what's in stock on the day the wheels are fitted at the factory. I have about 6000 km on my Touring by now, and I have quite a bit of seat time in the winged version, and they do feel a bit different.
Looking forward to a GT3 touring in manual! Having driven the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, I do enjoy the increased handling of the 992. However, this difference was really only appreciated to any great extent on track and made more apparent because it was back-to-back. Love the manuals for B-road driving and in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my long desire for a GT3 touring, I would have stopped with the 718 Spyder manual. I actually find the smaller, more nimble Spyder to be the better B-road car!
Great follow up review and focus on the questions buyers have. One suggestion for any later 911 review that addresses ride quality, tires, etc - please speak to the tire pressures being used. 911s are incredibly sensitive to tire pressures and can be set at Porsche’s ‘Comfort Pressure’ setting. I’m always curious if for safety reasons Porsche delivers press cars with very high pressures (just as many dealer demonstrators are) which can make the car ride harshly and feel like it has an entirely different suspension versus the lower pressure rates that most owners actually run their cars at for road use. The difference can be dramatic and it would be great to have some context on that from a thoughtful review like this. Thanks…
As a follow up to this, I have often wondered why tire pressures are not discussed in all videos about all cars-not just 911. Raising the tire pressures to psi above recommended settings does crazy thing to the handling and dynamics of cars that I wish people would discuss. Manufacturers recommended settings are one thing, but all tires have a safe range that you can play with up to max psi, that, if you change it, it really affects the dynamics of the car. And it’s okay to change them, despite what people say. For example, car manufacturers have long known and accounted for the need to raise cold psi to much higher above the manufacturer settings for high speed runs (which is why they probably deliver the tires much more inflated to the press). If you are running 150 mph, you need at least 10 psi above manufacturer’s recommendations. This should be discussed. Thank you for pointing this out.
Oh, at 7:35 seconds, it shows the tire pressures at around 2.6-2.7 bar for the tires. I’m not sure if that is comfort or sport setting for the 911, but there you go.
Great review John, keep them coming. As an owner I appreciate your insight on the two OE tires. You perspective on that topic may go a long way towards explaining the different perspectives on ride/steering between the early reviews of the winged car. Thx
If I could build the touring with old school (1973) “Carrera” side script, offer numerous wheel color choices, manual, PTS paint from the early 1970s, and offer an OEM duck tail, and cease the ridiculous ADMs/limited availability, then I’m all in on the touring. Great review. Cheers/B
"It's a little bit raw" That's exactly why this car is totally exciting. And I plan my next 911 to be a GT3 Touring while my beloved one would prefer a Targa 4S (violet, no less!).
“That is just joy” I don’t think truer words about 911 gt3 have ever been spoken, and when I think about it, cars for us petrolheads/gearheads in general...
Porsche could make more of these but have relised that the unattainable creates the perfect buzz around the GT cars and the brand. Yep one day I hope to get one - in the meantime ill watch these great vids and day dream.
great car, great review - but the audio is horrible in this video... I don't know if it's the background music/noise or simple the volume of the speaker.... it's hard to follow and listen...
My guess is the car you drove on track had Porsche's track alignment settings. More camber, zero toe up front, negative toe in the rear. It transforms the car on track but gets to be really darty on the street.
Would be interesting to know what camber Porsche had set up on the GT3 you drove in December, from what I can gather they were set up for Bedford Autodrome Race Track.You were not going fast enough on the road to notice any difference in tyre brands with the Touring.If you gave any Porsche driver the choice of tyre between the Cup2 and Corsa, they would spec the Cup2, they are that good at speed.
Great video. Great engineering. Bad ethics/sales: 1. How they treat people in terms of allocation deserves some shade. 2. The car is a poor street car (see review by Harry Metcalfe). It has gone too hardcore. Simple to fix really...more shock settings and it woudl be perfect...and stock front end rise. Done. Make it 120k. Make normal 911 78k. Make boxter/cayman 45 k. Done. Lots of happy people. Porsche would be just fine.
If I was able to order 1. I would go Touring with a Manual box in Gentian Blue with either Silver or Neodyme alloys to keep it subtle and just under the radar. The perfect road car..
I'd av one. That colour's good too, but still not sure about the black 'shark fin' rear wheel arch protector sticker a la original Turbo, the shape is wrong, kinda looks homemade! Other than that it's good to know about the tire choice making such a huge difference. Perhaps the blue December press car had some susension tweeks? Big difference on down force with/without the wing, could that have an effect on the tram lining issues for road use with the December car? Good review!
Harry Metcalfe also complained about the twitch ones of the front end. His ores car was running Pirellis. Maybe Porsche have adjusted the geometry on the newer cars?
Harry's review was not valid as the tyre pressure of the 992 GT3 he was testing was way too high - as in rock hard high. Pause his video and see for yourself.
Good Video Guys….. I agree on all fronts, including the fact I would buy the GT3, not the touring! But I would for sure wait (if I had the cash and got an allocation) for the GT3RS!
This is the best Drivers Car on this Planet in the Moment. With the Touring Package it´s also the best looking GT3. No big Spoiler at the End it looks amazing.
I'd take the standard GT3. I like the big wing and all the aero bits. This is the first review I have seen where the Pireli P-Zero Corsas are preferred over Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s.
I think there's a few reasons for that. Part of it is basically that some who review these cars, are just drinking the kool aid. I'm not a PZero fan normally, but they are the best road tyres for this car for sure. On a track, both the Goodyears and Michelins spank the Pirelli.
Porsche should offer a storage pack option for the missing rear seats. Would transform practicality. Then owners really could go touring! (I realise this comment is a hanging offence of misplaced priority for of all things, a GT3🤣)
Okay/ drove a GT3 at the experience center LA today and that car is not that big a deal. The instructors I talked with agreed with my conclusion, GT4 is a lot nicer car overall.
"it's a little bit raw, that's the point" what a refreshing perspective
That's what Porsche is all about, 75year without major changes if it's not broke don't fix it!!😎
I thought it was Chris Harris presenting just hearing the voice in the beginning.
Seriously, a big thank you to Porsche, for keeping the GT3 badge alive at the moment when people are moving towards EVS🤗
Why do we need to thank them? The GT products make huge profits for them. How about giving thanks to Porsche when they let regular buyers actually get an allocation.
@@TML34 x 1,000,000 - well said and could not agree more. The current behavior by Porsche is elitist and wrong.
@@jeffreyb.1657 Couldn't agree more! Its hurting the brand.
Believe me, we thank them by buying EVERY SINGLE ONE they make..... and thank the dealers even more by paying huge overages. I paid $40k over for a Touring allocation and actually feel like I got a great deal 🤦🏻♂️
@@jameswillard1 $40k for optional extras?
This is my ultimate car
I don’t want a Lamborghini or a Ferrari ! I want it
Cheers from San Diego California
This is a great review from this guy , very enjoyable and what a machine he's driving . Thanks guys .
I think I like the Touring more. But if I want a “Touring” I would probably choose the 991.2. Smoother ride, and the extra front end grip and responsiveness from the double wishbone isn’t really needed on the road.
And imo, it looks better. Not that the 992 looks bad, it's just the 991.2 is perfection.
@@HiddenWen As you Know, that’s totally subjective, I personally think that the old car looks dated now
Of course it is needed, not everywhere has a 70 mph national speed limit.People who drive these cars also break speed limits.
@@melreid122 have you driven any GT3s?
@@samwisee Of course I do or I would not comment, do you?
Yeah sometimes it’s good to take a step down with tires. We did the same with McLaren 765LT and put Michelin PS4S on. The car became fluid and much more drivable even in wet conditions.
How does the 765 put its power down with the PS4S’s?
@@jameswillard1 surprisingly good
Great to see Jason Segel loves the GT3 just as much as I do.
It’s amazing that Marshall Erikssen fits in a 911 too
Tony from Hollyoaks clearly likes GT3s too. Great review Pistonheads.
I really liked this video and John's presentation, well done! Beautifully presented with all the right emotions and all the information you'll ever need. And I appreciate the 21:9 ration of the video, I can use all of my screen and it feels even more cinematographic.
The quality of the production, camera work, editing, the host, the entire team, is the reason why I just subscribed.
Absolutely amazing job all around.
This was a wonderfully done video and the presenter has a pleasant, and eloquent way about him which is refreshing against other RUclipsrs who throw in silly antics. This video feels like I’m hanging out with a buddy who’s just telling me how it is without bragging. Well done.
Absolutely brilliant, this review. So many people review these cars and never have I seen a guy that sums it up so well and crisp like this gentleman did.
This is all what the GT3 is about.
Great video. Well done John and PH team. Keep it up and have fun!
With a voice and looks like that, this guy needs to have his own show on prime time TV. Sensational stuff, John. Keep up the great work.
This guy is brilliant. His enthusiasm for driving really shines through. 👍
Great video lads!
I’d go for the the touring version but can’t go wrong with either
lohith : you can't afford this car !!! stop dreaming ! You better watch GR86 or MX-5 videos, they are good affordable sports cars !
First time watching John. I absolutely love this guy! Please, more of him!
Great review - editing, sound, and just great honest commentary. More please!
Porsche certainly know how to make a great car 👏🏻
Pzero’s can obviously be fitted to a winged gt3, so this is not a magically better street car. People pretending the touring is inherently different is disingenuous. You didn’t really fall into that trap, like so many other reviewers, so thank you for that.
That's not how you should look at it. They are in fact a bit different. The rear dampers are tuned to be slightly firmer in the SPASM system on the winged car. But the rest is the tyres. They make a MASSIVE difference. Not sure what you mean by "can obviously be fitted". The Pzero is not unique to the Touring. What a winged GT3 gets, solely depends on what's in stock on the day the wheels are fitted at the factory. I have about 6000 km on my Touring by now, and I have quite a bit of seat time in the winged version, and they do feel a bit different.
Quite agree, would have this over any hypercar. As the for the tyres, you’d no doubt notice even more difference with some Pilot Sport 4S.
Are they even better on dry roads? I heard they were better for mixed conditions.
Looking forward to a GT3 touring in manual! Having driven the 991.2 GT3 and 992 GT3, I do enjoy the increased handling of the 992. However, this difference was really only appreciated to any great extent on track and made more apparent because it was back-to-back. Love the manuals for B-road driving and in all honesty, if it wasn’t for my long desire for a GT3 touring, I would have stopped with the 718 Spyder manual. I actually find the smaller, more nimble Spyder to be the better B-road car!
Beautiful video. What you said at 7:19 really is how I feel about this car.
Great follow up review and focus on the questions buyers have. One suggestion for any later 911 review that addresses ride quality, tires, etc - please speak to the tire pressures being used. 911s are incredibly sensitive to tire pressures and can be set at Porsche’s ‘Comfort Pressure’ setting. I’m always curious if for safety reasons Porsche delivers press cars with very high pressures (just as many dealer demonstrators are) which can make the car ride harshly and feel like it has an entirely different suspension versus the lower pressure rates that most owners actually run their cars at for road use. The difference can be dramatic and it would be great to have some context on that from a thoughtful review like this. Thanks…
As a follow up to this, I have often wondered why tire pressures are not discussed in all videos about all cars-not just 911. Raising the tire pressures to psi above recommended settings does crazy thing to the handling and dynamics of cars that I wish people would discuss. Manufacturers recommended settings are one thing, but all tires have a safe range that you can play with up to max psi, that, if you change it, it really affects the dynamics of the car. And it’s okay to change them, despite what people say. For example, car manufacturers have long known and accounted for the need to raise cold psi to much higher above the manufacturer settings for high speed runs (which is why they probably deliver the tires much more inflated to the press). If you are running 150 mph, you need at least 10 psi above manufacturer’s recommendations. This should be discussed. Thank you for pointing this out.
Oh, at 7:35 seconds, it shows the tire pressures at around 2.6-2.7 bar for the tires. I’m not sure if that is comfort or sport setting for the 911, but there you go.
Great review John, keep them coming. As an owner I appreciate your insight on the two OE tires. You perspective on that topic may go a long way towards explaining the different perspectives on ride/steering between the early reviews of the winged car. Thx
Good video and good reviewer. Never seen this chap but he’s good.
If I could build the touring with old school (1973) “Carrera” side script, offer numerous wheel color choices, manual, PTS paint from the early 1970s, and offer an OEM duck tail, and cease the ridiculous ADMs/limited availability, then I’m all in on the touring. Great review. Cheers/B
This guy is very good. Excellent delivery, no pretentiousness.
first time i've seen a review from john howell. brilliant. excellent reviewer. one of the best.
my favourite 992 GT3 review so far!
This GT3 Touring with this color is the most beautiful to me. Just gorgeous.
Definitely the best thing you've done since leaving Hollyoaks 👍🏻
This is a Tony Hutchinson joke yeah?
Absolutely Exceptional. Hands Down 💯
Brilliant video John and Harry, well done gents.
What a video. So connecting. Legendary car! Thanks for such a wonderful compilation 🙏🏻🌺
"It's a little bit raw"
That's exactly why this car is totally exciting.
And I plan my next 911 to be a GT3 Touring while my beloved one would prefer a Targa 4S (violet, no less!).
Great video. I’d like see more reviews from this guy.
A really good review. Well played.
Actually the best review I have seen
“That is just joy”
I don’t think truer words about 911 gt3 have ever been spoken, and when I think about it, cars for us petrolheads/gearheads in general...
Absolute perfection from Porsche...take my money!
terrence : you can't afford this car !!! stop dreaming ! You better watch GR86 or MX-5 videos, they are good affordable sports cars !
Porsche could make more of these but have relised that the unattainable creates the perfect buzz around the GT cars and the brand. Yep one day I hope to get one - in the meantime ill watch these great vids and day dream.
Not against the wing, but removing it and replacing it with a hidden wing is dumb. It should be a duck tail. Simpler and less weight.
Agree, but I hope you mean the duck tail 😂
Lovely detailed and informative review, thanks.
I'd go for the big wing (and the manual gearbox), but this Touring is almost every bit as perfect as that... 🤩
Wow wow wow. What. A. Car. Stunning in silver, such an under rated colour. This lads superb as well
What a fantastic video. That was really enjoyable.
Ça déglingue ta vidéo mec..un grand bravo from France👍🏼
great car, great review - but the audio is horrible in this video... I don't know if it's the background music/noise or simple the volume of the speaker.... it's hard to follow and listen...
Brilliant review John,
Really enjoyable and informative.
My guess is the car you drove on track had Porsche's track alignment settings. More camber, zero toe up front, negative toe in the rear. It transforms the car on track but gets to be really darty on the street.
Great review John!👍🏼🚗
“If I won the lottery” same here. Excellent review.
Great respectable review..well done!!
Would be interesting to know what camber Porsche had set up on the GT3 you drove in December, from what I can gather they were set up for Bedford Autodrome Race Track.You were not going fast enough on the road to notice any difference in tyre brands with the Touring.If you gave any Porsche driver the choice of tyre between the Cup2 and Corsa, they would spec the Cup2, they are that good at speed.
GT3 Touring. Such a beautiful spec on this car.
Love tony from Hollyoakes doing the review
Loving your videos.
I have 992 GT3 finished in shark blue and it’s my daily car.. 💙💙
I will definitely go for the GT3 manual transmission . Great video and awesome review!!!
dwight : you can't afford this car !!! stop dreaming ! You better watch GR86 or MX-5 videos, they are good affordable sports cars !
Don't let anyone fool you, this is the best car in the world. (Also, the new presenter did a very good job! :o)
It is far from the best car in the world. I know, I own one.
Great video. Great engineering.
Bad ethics/sales:
1. How they treat people in terms of allocation deserves some shade.
2. The car is a poor street car (see review by Harry Metcalfe). It has gone too hardcore. Simple to fix really...more shock settings and it woudl be perfect...and stock front end rise.
Done. Make it 120k. Make normal 911 78k. Make boxter/cayman 45 k. Done.
Lots of happy people. Porsche would be just fine.
Great video and great reviewer!
Lovely stuff as always from pistonheads
Great review, spot on about the beauty of a high revving NA motor.
If I was able to order 1. I would go Touring with a Manual box in Gentian Blue with either Silver or Neodyme alloys to keep it subtle and just under the radar. The perfect road car..
I'd av one. That colour's good too, but still not sure about the black 'shark fin' rear wheel arch protector sticker a la original Turbo, the shape is wrong, kinda looks homemade! Other than that it's good to know about the tire choice making such a huge difference. Perhaps the blue December press car had some susension tweeks? Big difference on down force with/without the wing, could that have an effect on the tram lining issues for road use with the December car? Good review!
Harry Metcalfe also complained about the twitch ones of the front end. His ores car was running Pirellis. Maybe Porsche have adjusted the geometry on the newer cars?
Harry's review was not valid as the tyre pressure of the 992 GT3 he was testing was way too high - as in rock hard high. Pause his video and see for yourself.
I would be prepared to try either and see how it goes....
What a great review!
When you say raw compared to a late eighties 911 it’s probably quite refined!
John! You've improved since your WC? Awards filming :D
Don't get me wrong I love this version of the 911GT3 but does the number plate OPR 911 stand for old persons rear 911GT3
Great car, great review. Definitely has a passion
Looking at the scenery, I assume this Is Somerset, Wiltshire, or Dorset....
Do you test any other brand PistonHeads?
Beautiful car and beautiful review.
wingless perfection
Fantastic video, really and truly was 👌
Great review 👍
Good Video Guys….. I agree on all fronts, including the fact I would buy the GT3, not the touring!
But I would for sure wait (if I had the cash and got an allocation) for the GT3RS!
Great video!😊
Great video
GT3 Touring with PDK in Midnight purple and Yellow Brake calipers, plz.
So well presented 👍
this guy sounds exactly like Chris Harris... commentary is very enjoyable
Brilliant video !!!!! Excellent comments!!!!
This is the best Drivers Car on this Planet in the Moment. With the Touring Package it´s also the best looking GT3. No big Spoiler at the End it looks amazing.
Lotus has the best steering in the world. And also the Elise has double wishbones in the mid-90s. Would still love a Touring tho’.
Since the GT3 front end became that aggressive and sharp, it only makes sense to go for the coming 992 GT3RS.
His voice is like the one from chris harris 😳
Yeah, when I heard the voiceover at the start I was like “Is that Chris”?
I would say even better, because Chris is already too much over the cars - if can understand me ;) Chris is already missing the authenticity
@@CandyX1979 No, I can’t. Sorry.
@@jryalls me too 😂
@@CandyX1979 no i wouldn't say that
Can u guys do a fiesta st vs miata maybe even an alpine
Nice review.
Great video 👌
I'd take the standard GT3. I like the big wing and all the aero bits.
This is the first review I have seen where the Pireli P-Zero Corsas are preferred over Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s.
I think there's a few reasons for that. Part of it is basically that some who review these cars, are just drinking the kool aid. I'm not a PZero fan normally, but they are the best road tyres for this car for sure. On a track, both the Goodyears and Michelins spank the Pirelli.
Wondered what the guy from Holyoaks was up too!
Good job 👍. For the 992, I’d buy the GT3 interestingly since I would’ve bought a 991.2 GT3 touring.
GT3 touring it’s a dream
3 pedal Touring all day, every day. Signal orange.
Porsche should offer a storage pack option for the missing rear seats. Would transform practicality. Then owners really could go touring! (I realise this comment is a hanging offence of misplaced priority for of all things, a GT3🤣)
Okay/ drove a GT3 at the experience center LA today and that car is not that big a deal. The instructors I talked with agreed with my conclusion, GT4 is a lot nicer car overall.