Porsche 992 GT3 Touring *MANUAL* Drive Review | The Best Modern Sports Car

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  • Опубликовано: 19 янв 2025

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  • @vindevhunta4905
    @vindevhunta4905 23 часа назад +1

    Loooks beautiful all black
    With a dash red on the inside ❤❤❤❤

  • @andyjackson5404
    @andyjackson5404 3 месяца назад +22

    Sold my GT350R when I got an allocation for a GT3 Touring. True - the manual transmission is great. The NA 4.0 is also special. I immediately put an aftermarket exhaust on her - now she Howls like a Wolf. A Visceral experience worth every penny. I love mustangs - however, a Porsche GT3 Manual is a special animal. Pure Adrenaline

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +3

      The Shelby are amazing but lack the refinement and quality the GT3 offers granted a huge price difference between them

    • @boost4breakfast
      @boost4breakfast 3 месяца назад

      which exhaust did you end up going with?

    • @johnsimms3693
      @johnsimms3693 3 месяца назад

      That hurt reading that .. I really Really want a 350 or 350R im willing to rob a bank or 2 😂😂 .. but seriously, I really want that Shelby

    • @andyjackson5404
      @andyjackson5404 3 месяца назад

      @@boost4breakfast Went with a Soul Performance. Looked into Akrapovic too… both sound great. imo. Thanks

    • @andyjackson5404
      @andyjackson5404 3 месяца назад

      @@johnsimms3693 I had a 350 before the 350R. I would recommend a 2012 Boss 302 if you’re trying to save money. Good bang for the buck👍🏻

  • @zepe70
    @zepe70 3 месяца назад +7

    The best spec of any gt3 on RUclips, kudos to owner.

  • @rooneyw2208
    @rooneyw2208 3 месяца назад +2

    Driving these cars you realize how amazing they are, and then they throw something out like the S/T which is even more amazing.

  • @Jb-mp1in
    @Jb-mp1in 3 месяца назад +35

    Porsche went from being upper working class cars doctor dentist to having to be pretty wealthy to buy these cars

    • @yourpalbobbyboi
      @yourpalbobbyboi 3 месяца назад +6

      Nothing like a Porsche but 300k is crazy . My uncle is a CEO of a company . He has a 911 turbo S on order. He drove my g80 m3 recently . Anyways he couldn’t believe it was only 80k 😂. Meanwhile I saved my whole life to pay cash for the car….he could of bought 3 haha.Porsche has become a rich mans world for sure . Hell these people work hard for their money though. Porsche is the pinnacle. I would never even consider the ferrari,lambo, buggati, mclaren world even if I hit the billion dollar powerball lotto .

    • @peterpowder8546
      @peterpowder8546 3 месяца назад +2

      Agree. Entry price is around $100k! What happened to $60k

    • @modelcitizen1977
      @modelcitizen1977 3 месяца назад +2

      This is a GT3 variant. You can still get a brand new 911 for $125k, which is dentist money.

    • @mikebarnard2689
      @mikebarnard2689 3 месяца назад +1

      In UK post Covid... dentists are now very much doing a LOT of private work... 911 easily affordable.
      Mike.. ( retired dentist and Porsche owner 😁).

    • @miguelosterroht
      @miguelosterroht 3 месяца назад

      A used base 911 is still reachable by upper working class. A limited top of the line GTx version was always out of reach for most. In fact more people can afford a Porsche today than 30 years ago.

  • @pete6705
    @pete6705 3 месяца назад +2

    Ya that’s high up there on my list of dream cars

  • @rafiulrasheen4738
    @rafiulrasheen4738 3 месяца назад

    man that front end is like no other, i have never driven a car where its just like point and shoot, wherever you look is where the car goes. totally different than many 911 before it. that double wishbone transformed the car

  • @insightsofmichael
    @insightsofmichael 3 месяца назад +3

    What is the music playing in the background at the end of the video? Does anyone know?

  • @Strawman333
    @Strawman333 3 месяца назад +3

    Holy crap! What a gem!

  • @micraw714
    @micraw714 3 месяца назад +1

    These cars are SO good! My max is about 120k to spend so my only options are 981 or 718 GT4, older 991 up to 992 S. One can dream though lol

  • @kpatt2006
    @kpatt2006 2 месяца назад

    I'm glad the CT4V Blackwing gets the Tremec too like the camaro. That seems like a great all-in-one car to have.

  • @CliffNotesAnesthesia
    @CliffNotesAnesthesia 3 месяца назад

    Incredible vehicle, the sound, the plain look. Looks like all the fun in the world

  • @victormanuelplaza1227
    @victormanuelplaza1227 3 месяца назад

    Este Marcos es excelente. Ojalá lo siguiesen produciendo. Es espectacular !!! Solo tendrían que colocarle luces led, pero nada más, no me gustaría que modifiquen ni un centímetro de su carrocería, excepto que lo hagan para mejor. Gracias por este informe, voy a reverlo incontables veces.

  • @daveh98
    @daveh98 3 месяца назад +6

    I used to watch a lot of your 350r videos and liked them and your views. I just saw this in my feed and it's a great car. I have a 350R fury orange 2018 and a 19 papaya spark 720s performance. For me I love this combo. I wonder your views on the shelby vs a 911 GT3 if it's that much different in engagement? For me I see the used 720s being the best used value car buy able. And I'd say that used mclaren 720s is a comparison shopper car for this except for those with manual gearbox desires. mclaren gives the carbon fiber chassis, arguably best in class steering, and 3000lbs and 770hp with active aero at 220k now. The gt3 at 300k I just can't wrap my head around....yet. if I didn't have a 350r though that I loved....it likely would be in my garage. Anyways great video and beautiful customer car.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +5

      Mclaren are incredible machines i like them all check my Artura video from last year. If you desire a manual the GT3 is the upper echelon if you can’t justify the price a GT350R is the ticket

    • @daveh98
      @daveh98 3 месяца назад +1

      @autofanaticcars i gotta catch up on your videos I will check them out. do you miss your shelby gt350r? I think it's one of my favorite cars of all time. I had this orange viper TA in the picture but sadly got rid of it. As a long time viper fanatic, the shelby gt350r is truly better outside of exotic looks. I must give the gt3 a try as I know you loved your shleby and it seems like the gt3 is a big step up. Cheers

    • @SS-oj4en
      @SS-oj4en 3 месяца назад +2

      I think the Porsche GT range is just reliably brilliant with the performance just perfect for the mountain pass runs (road) . The manual certainly offers a heightened experience probably the best driving experience money can buy.
      The 720s has arguably all the right ingredients to be an amazing car however the reliability issues are just hurting the brand and package making the car a real risk to own.

  • @SmoothEZHandDance
    @SmoothEZHandDance 2 месяца назад +1

    Other than power, what are your thoughts on the 718 GTS 4.0 as far as driving dynamics?

  • @rigatoni2210
    @rigatoni2210 3 месяца назад +2

    This car is fire .

  • @RobustArid379
    @RobustArid379 3 месяца назад +2

    “You only need 1st gear rev 9 grand to drive around your roads “ - road and car safety magazine

  • @freemanpd36
    @freemanpd36 3 месяца назад +1

    I’m going to put one of these gt3s in my stable soon 😍

  • @timbrown9731
    @timbrown9731 3 месяца назад +1

    It sounds like they have the DLC coatings dialed in, and no more finger follower issues…

  • @thereissomecoolstuff
    @thereissomecoolstuff 3 месяца назад +1

    At the intro the way you shot the car I had to do a double take. I thought it was an S550. The rear fenders got me.

  • @pottersi
    @pottersi 3 месяца назад +1

    So you're a Lil Peep lover, I see. Good song. I first watched your video on a review of the Stelvio. Your review on it, was the deciding factor in my purchasing a new Stelvio. Now I have a 20' GT350R and a 23' Giulia Quad. 2 cars which I never would have ever considered, or aspired to own, before watching your videos. I guess you've affected my life a fair amount haha!

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      Great to hear my content influenced you into buying two incredible cars. I definitely miss my GT350R I plan to buy another soon i still have my 23 QV along with all the other cars

  • @danv8717
    @danv8717 3 месяца назад +1

    One just came up for sale near me and I'm in the process of buying it. Agate Grey with PCCB and a PDK.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      Go for it these cars are incredible. The pdk must also be a blast on the backroads i hope to try one soon to post a video on it

  • @richspies4318
    @richspies4318 2 месяца назад

    Good job. Agree on the seats though they (Andreas P.) say the 992.2 buckets are comfortable. As to the manual vs PDK, it is nice to have both hands on the wheel when you take a rising bumpy curve with a dip at speed. Hold on. Love the Porsche community and now we have the 992.2 to add to the conversation. Price has increased but to me the GT3 is more than a machine, it is art. I can't buy a Monet or Degas, but I can be motivated to work hard for a Porsche. Just wish my wife would let me park in the living room. Thanks again for a great video. RichinHouston. PS. Guards red PDK or the new Oak Green Metallic manual? Both please. Best wishes.

  • @jdjames997
    @jdjames997 21 день назад

    These are amazing cars no doubt. That said, nobody who owns these actually drives them, or puts miles on them. I’m sure there are a few, but watching auctions on them, they all sell with super low miles, both older and newer gens. The car is just too expensive, they end up being garage queens most of them. My guess is they are hard to work on because the engine bay is basically covered, so you have to take them apart to do simple things- so they all go to dealers for service. I had a 997.2 S I drove, all over, and never felt guilty or worried about it, paid right for it with 21k miles on it. I did all the Sevice on it, in my own garage, it was easy to work on. GT3 cars are incredible, but a Lotus, Factory 5 Mark 4, GT350R, or a C8 are also a ton of fun without being stressed about driving it all the time. You could buy a whole garage full of fun sports cars with what these cars go for, this is more like a car you stare at or for bragging rights, about how much money you have. While it’s a drivers car no doubt, I’d much rather have a GT4 at less than half the cost

  • @cormegastarks8815
    @cormegastarks8815 3 месяца назад +1

    Great video I always wanted a Porsche since the 80’s,maybe one day if so this gt3touring would be the one.by the way the intro music is perfect who is that?

  • @Maverick-r9x
    @Maverick-r9x 3 месяца назад +1

    Ha we're neighbors I know 117 very well! Where are you from? FYI, I love the fact you're a manual guy. I couldn't agree more!

  • @Docdug
    @Docdug 2 месяца назад

    Kudos to the owner for getting the interior in red!

  • @georgiosdedes
    @georgiosdedes 3 месяца назад +1

    Agree Phil. We have a few here in Denmark and they are the business. Even in PDK configuration. Absolutely lovely analogue experience. The Rolex of cars. But it comes at a price.
    I would keep my Giulia Quadrifoglio and let go of the AMG instead.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +2

      the AMG GTR is so damn good in it's own right it is one of my favorite cars I ever owned, it is a shame they are not going up in value that does bother me but I still love it. The GT3 Touring is very tempting we will see if I make the switch

  • @klasseact6663
    @klasseact6663 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for years of videos and quality detailing products, BIGGER thanks for not using every video as an infomercial for them, THAT'S the way it's done Phil👍👍

  • @SurviveTheDay
    @SurviveTheDay 19 дней назад

    Porsche sells an experience, and getting it is a hefty price.

  • @coreyegan6751
    @coreyegan6751 3 месяца назад

    2010 me loves this color combo!

  • @MaxNeal-tl9bd
    @MaxNeal-tl9bd 3 месяца назад +1

    Nice Gt3 but I can‘t get into a manual transmission! PDK all day for me. 😊

  • @Porkapine25
    @Porkapine25 День назад

    What about at GT350 vs the 992.2 Carrera T? Not as much of a car as the GT3, but more attainable.

  • @Bankroll_2times
    @Bankroll_2times 3 месяца назад +1

    My dream spec

  • @honkongho5927
    @honkongho5927 3 месяца назад +1

    How this GT3 Touring feel compared to your client’s 911R? Which is better?

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      The 911R is incredible I recall it being more twitchy to irregular roads now there so valuable nobody really drives them much

  • @amac8487
    @amac8487 3 месяца назад +3

    I’ve gotta ask man…. How come you don’t have one? Hahahs
    Been following you since the gt350 (I too have one). Just recently got a 992S as well and kept the Shelby. Such fun cars!

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +3

      I love these Porsche GT cars always have but i would hate trashing one daily on our NY roads plus i don’t need added stress of parking a $300k car doing daily life stuff. I do see one of these in my very near future.

  • @bige7186
    @bige7186 2 месяца назад

    Correct me if im wrong but the Honda s2000 is believed to be the best 6 speed manual transmission to date to come out the factory

  • @carfan3762
    @carfan3762 Месяц назад

    Excellent review 🙏👍

  • @raldyjimenez3319
    @raldyjimenez3319 3 месяца назад +1

    AMG GTR is an awesome car

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      Oh yes I absolutely love mine every single drive puts a huge smile on my face

  • @till9097
    @till9097 3 месяца назад

    It's jet black metalic or uni black?

  • @GOOGLM3_NY
    @GOOGLM3_NY 3 месяца назад +2

    Tell me how you really feel Phil!

  • @genetung8590
    @genetung8590 3 месяца назад +2

    The black hides the distinguishing exterior characteristics of the GT3

    • @c5jp904
      @c5jp904 3 месяца назад

      Agree, not sure the infatuation with black cars. All the great colors available that really show the lines better. I’ve got a guards red ‘88 Carrera w/aero package that just brings out the 👍 from admirers.

  • @timbrown9731
    @timbrown9731 3 месяца назад +8

    Honestly, I don’t think you need CCBR, unless you’re heavily tracking the car🤔

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +3

      Definitely don’t i just prefer less brake dust because the front wheel barrel cant be cleaned well due to calipers clearance. Overall this car blew me away

    • @markm-c6u
      @markm-c6u 3 месяца назад +1

      nobody tracks with CCB . People get CCB because they want them and not because they need them lol. Got them on my QV and bought them for my 07 TT...

    • @FreshLaces
      @FreshLaces 3 месяца назад +1

      Even if tracking it I still would option the steels, gets pricey to replace carbon ceramic pads and rotors if you’re tracking it weekly
      On the other hand, would option carbon ceramics if it’s my weekend toy as it’ll definitely help for resale and the lack of brake dust is always a nice bonus

    • @basketball798
      @basketball798 3 месяца назад

      Complete opposite for the track most of us get steel brakes. You don't want ccb for track YES you read that correctly

    • @krzzzy19
      @krzzzy19 3 месяца назад

      Most people don't track with carbon ceramic rotors because it's too expensive to replace.

  • @KickingTires
    @KickingTires 3 месяца назад +2

    This might be the perfect car...

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +2

      It’s seriously awesome nothing to nit pick here

  • @fskof
    @fskof 3 месяца назад

    Great video!
    Is that the stock factory exhaust on it? Because it sounds great even on video.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад

      Factory exhaust I would love to hear one modified

  • @joevecchio4687
    @joevecchio4687 12 дней назад

    Everyone can make fun of me but I just got my first sports car
    2025 boxster S manual
    Gentian blue with full red leather and carbon fiber
    To my 70YO ass it’s a monster
    I don’t have the skills to justify more car and I’m loving this car
    👋

  • @tonywilliams4302
    @tonywilliams4302 3 месяца назад +5

    Idk brother. I don’t see these $300k collector grade cars being driven much. 5 years from now, this ‘drivers car’ prob won’t have 5,000 miles on it. I would rather track my 981 gt4 and cop a spyder rs for $100k less, albeit sans manual. Beautiful car though!!!!

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      The GT4 and Spyder are both excellent cars I came close to buying both many times and special ordered a ah mega spec 2020 GT4 that I let go to get my F355 which was more special and rare to obtain at the time.

    • @tonywilliams4302
      @tonywilliams4302 3 месяца назад +1

      @@autofanaticcars the Ferrari is definitely a special car. I’ll prob always hold on to the gt4 because I love every aspect of it. Not sure if I’ll love the top down spyder with the pdk, but I think it’s worth a purchase!

  • @TGCREken
    @TGCREken 3 месяца назад

    For less than half the price, the GT4 and Spyder are peak Porsche. For the money.

  • @gbcautoworks
    @gbcautoworks 2 месяца назад

    My dream car

  • @Mike_Spina
    @Mike_Spina 3 месяца назад +1

    Do you still have the 355?

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +2

      Sure do along with a full shop of other awesome Ferraris including a 575M factory 6sp

  • @AllenL2R
    @AllenL2R 3 месяца назад

    What’s the title of the track at the end?

  • @bdmiley
    @bdmiley 2 месяца назад

    What is that song in the outro?

  • @Nervedraz
    @Nervedraz 2 месяца назад

    Porsche offers the best daily exotic driver

  • @jrs997
    @jrs997 3 месяца назад +3

    I think with the rate of inflation and increasing scarcity for high end porsches, we will be probably see these cars going for $500,000 at some point lol.

  • @G-MieInternational
    @G-MieInternational 3 месяца назад

    Great car

  • @mikechung7757
    @mikechung7757 2 месяца назад

    So beautiful

  • @ZBYCHU__
    @ZBYCHU__ 3 месяца назад +1

    Recently I was wondering when the new movie would be released

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      Ive been so busy at the new shop a full shop tour is coming soon stay tuned👍

    • @timbrown9731
      @timbrown9731 3 месяца назад +1

      991.2 in sapphire blue is my favorite….

  • @Vendettalecce
    @Vendettalecce 3 месяца назад

    whats the song called in the intro

  • @stevek758
    @stevek758 3 месяца назад +1

    Absolute Beauty

  • @mustafadurrani3182
    @mustafadurrani3182 Месяц назад

    Love it

  • @albertomarino242
    @albertomarino242 2 месяца назад

    2024 zo6 rear wheel rear wheel n/a 674hp …to answer your question if there is a car with this kind of power ….

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  2 месяца назад

      Yes there is but it doesn't have a manual trans, or the analog driving experience that a 992 GT3 offers.

  • @tkx86
    @tkx86 3 месяца назад

    Extremely sexy cars. How ever I would still pick a Lotus Exige any day.

  • @StickNclutch
    @StickNclutch 3 месяца назад +1

    The sexiest car ever made hands down..I've been searching for a Cayenne GTS because that's probably the closest I'll get to owning a gt3

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      I really love the 911 without a rear wing unless it’s an older 930

  • @MicrochipMD
    @MicrochipMD Месяц назад

    My 2024 BMW M2 has comparable performance and is 1/3 price. 6 speed manual too

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  Месяц назад +1

      The new M2 are awesome cars I’ve built several already.

  • @brianhimmelman420
    @brianhimmelman420 3 месяца назад +1

    GT3 with comfort seats and a fire extinguisher LOL 😂

  • @ejcubing3622
    @ejcubing3622 3 месяца назад

    Can't wait to buy this in 20 years!

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      if the market goes nuts like it is currently on older Porsche cars these might be unobtainable in 20 years time like a Carrera GT is now and 918 Spyder

  • @trigganometry168
    @trigganometry168 3 месяца назад +1

    Why are you crossing the double yellow on a blind left bender @ 13:27? Great review btw

  • @TurboThrottleTherapy
    @TurboThrottleTherapy 3 месяца назад

    This looks like Connecticut

  • @johnsimms3693
    @johnsimms3693 3 месяца назад

    My stable will all be MANUAL transmissions ..

  • @NicholasZak
    @NicholasZak 3 месяца назад +1

    My only complaint about this car, all GT3's and well todays cars in general are the Giant chariot sized rims and oh how can we forget the wonderful price for tires. No Need to have wheels bigger than 18's on a performance car! Its all a marketing ploy and floss status for the cars and coffee crew who park their cars nice and hard.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      I think it’s definitely done for visual and proportions because these new 911 are massive compared to older 993/964 versions. Absolute killer car’s overall omg

  • @vab120
    @vab120 3 месяца назад

    I don’t get the point of paying more than a Carrera to look like a Carrera. It’s a lot of money to get the 4.0 with almost a 10y.o. tuning from Porsche.

  • @hollaz2
    @hollaz2 Месяц назад

    I hope whoever buys these things puts a lot of miles on them like the manufacturer intended. Life's too short to spend 300k on a 'driver's car' and only do 4k miles a year.

  • @Hmmm313
    @Hmmm313 3 месяца назад +1

    Manual is history…

  • @rabayl01
    @rabayl01 3 месяца назад

    I hope that that manual transmission is the best as it is the only car that offers a manual at that price point. Moreover, that car is the most expensive manual you can get in 2024

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      I think the new 911 ST is like a few hundred k more if you can get one

  • @sky96moony07
    @sky96moony07 3 месяца назад +2

    Realizing the same car with ceramic breaks is just floating somewhere in the see😂

  • @rlsedition
    @rlsedition 3 месяца назад

    And only $300k! They'll sell a (few) of them.

  • @mikedgodwin
    @mikedgodwin 2 месяца назад

    give me a Z06

  • @Electra-xm7lu
    @Electra-xm7lu Месяц назад

    5:55 Because in the real world manuals are annoying, tiresome, and a dual-clutch transition makes them archaic. You can play with your stick and clutch all you want, your gear changes will never be faster than with paddle shifters or newer automatics.

  • @chintetshing1668
    @chintetshing1668 12 дней назад

    🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤

  • @jbspec4507
    @jbspec4507 3 месяца назад

    Turbo S is the best overall, check all the boxes

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +3

      No manual and way to fast for most backroads

  • @JWL-UK
    @JWL-UK 3 месяца назад

    Gotta love a manual transmission ❤️. You should try the road-focused, theatrical F-type V6 RWD manual. Don't get fooled by it's 3L 340 stock HP and 450nm of torque. That thing is amazing and sounds sublime. I got 1 of 188 built for the UK market. You can pick up one in the States for under 50Gs which is insane value.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +1

      I almost bought one in 2017 my issue was my fist kept hitting radio hvac my arms are too long for the ergonomic it’s too small inside for me. Awesome cars though the new awd F types suck they ruined the car

    • @JWL-UK
      @JWL-UK 3 месяца назад

      @@autofanaticcars good to know! Did you test drive a manual? They're so rare I just can't find anyone who's ever driven one 😊. They're perfect for twisty roads which happens to be my commute to work!

  • @Jb-mp1in
    @Jb-mp1in 3 месяца назад

    Turbo s for me these cars inflated way too much in value

  • @jshim100
    @jshim100 3 месяца назад

    Needs ceramic brakes, don't care what happened to the boat.

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад

      Good luck finding one most don’t have ccb due to carbon allocation shortages in Europe

  • @basketball798
    @basketball798 3 месяца назад

    In my opinion the AMG GTR is much special even though it's a lot cheaper used. GT3 touring and AMG GTR can be owned at the same time that's how different they are!

    • @autofanaticcars
      @autofanaticcars  3 месяца назад +2

      I love my AMG GTR it’s so special the GT3 is awesome as well just a different experience

  • @amirmurray9916
    @amirmurray9916 3 месяца назад

    Beautiful car and the fact that its manual..awesome!!!...but for 250 k plus....i wud pass😂😂...now ofcourse im not rich..but dor that money i could a wrx sti, a bobber, and an oldeer porsche😂😂...to each its own tho😂

  • @WDLC1911
    @WDLC1911 3 месяца назад +1

    Very nice but not worth the money - especially in today’s global political instability.

  • @Hmmm313
    @Hmmm313 3 месяца назад

    You lose money on porsche….