NEW Porsche 992GTS and five reasons you might take it over the 992GT3
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2022
- Car experts perpetually want to declare which is the best real world Porsche 911. They say the current base Carrera could be more aggressive, the GT3 needs to be less hard and they ask why a Turbo S costs more than the national debt.
And while Porsche sticks to their two year product cycle it seems they listen because they’ve just given us a 911 which both adds and subtracts.
this new 992 GTS has added aggression but has anything been taken away?
And can it be better in any way than the car awarded the title of best drivers car 2022, the new GT3 ?
Well my plan is to compare these two and to offer up 5 reasons why you may just want to take this GTS rather than that GT3.
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Fantastic video Roger, you have outdone yourself in making this video. For me personally the best video you’ve made this year. Great angles and camera work and fantastic subject matter comparing these two cars. Hats off mate!
Wow, thanks Max !
Love your video !
I am a happy 992GTS owner , it is perfect and beyond imagination
Wonderful review. Very balanced and very insightful. Another great video and review RB, very well done and thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you, I really appreciate this and will keep this video in mind one day when I get a job
Diva. Great video Roger. An excellent comparison video of two fantastic cars. One of your best!
glad you liked it x
for me this is the best car review channel on youtube, keep them coming Mr Bailey
Loved the video as always Mr Bailey, and I agree on your findings ! Well done Sir !
Both lovely machines but GT3 is in another league, so much more emotional as you've so well shown us ! GTS is such a great all rounder !
Greetings also to Mrs. B !
Thanks Barry, Mrs B sends her best
excellent!! a Roger Bailey video, time to sit back and be entertained
by far the best youtube channel there is when i comes to car reviews, very skilfully made roger bailey great video
Wow, thanks!
Really enjoy your videos here in Colorado. Drive an M4 Competition, but love Porsches and Corvettes. You always seem to get to the meat of the review clearly. Keep them coming! This one was really fun.
Thanks Michael - Will do!
Great informative video......mine is due in a few weeks, you have put my mind at rest now.....can't wait!!!
I've been waiting for this one, a proper comparison of GTS & GT3 and its by the maestro of Porsche reviewing, excellent job roger
Thanks spook
2nd and 3rd your comments @Spook 1111
Possibly Catchpole the maestro but Roger is right up there as well, in fact Roger is more impressive as I think he works alone so I've heard
Got a 2019 991.2 4 gts and live it! No plans to change to newer.
Agree 💯 Roger! That black example of a GTS is superb! 😎
I went Turbo S and no regrets selling my GT3 as daily driving is my use......unbeatable daily especially on the low end torque being there versus other 911s....
I chose gts and I am satisfied. Actually, it's the same price as gt3 because it's a 4 gts cabriolet, but it's more useful 👍
Waiting on my 23 Carrera 4 GTS Coupe in Averturine Green Metallic to arrive later this month. Getting psyched!
I have both cars a Carrera 4S and a GT3. They are completely different characters. A GTS is for traveling, from a to b, a GT3 is for driving out of your garage, have fun for two hours and drive right back into it. But those two hours are topped by absolutely nothing. A. GT 3 is a complete class by itsself.
you dont have both cars though, you have a 4S, a 4S is not a 992 GTS, its a completely different car, especially in 4 form.
Making any 911 a "4" moves it from "sports car" to "fast commuter" or if you prefer, wanna be rally car. A Carrera S also is almost, but not quite a GTS.
Thank you for the Video comparing both vehicles. I ordered a GTS which will be delivered mid October. Total wait time for it would have been about 1 year. Doing that put me further up on the list with my dealership for a GT3 which is estimated at 3 years away for 992.2 generation car.
Hi bilal you have a great car incoming
My 992 gts is on the boat to United States! I driven both and GTS felt faster in a straight line but cornering was amazing on a GT3.
you have a great car incoming !
Help from 🇺🇸. Very well done review. Ordered my ‘24 911 GTS Coupe last week.
Great review of the GTS, thank you! I’m tempted to order a manual one..
thanks, hope you do so..
Very enjoyable video Roger. Grazie.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice comparison video!
Hi Roger!
Great Video.. I just order a GTS yesterday and I was very happy to watch your Clip, which simply confirms what a complete sports car the GTS is.. now I am having a tough time waiting till delivery in November 😕
Glad it helped !
youre very lucky if you only have to wait until November, In the uk the wait is more like 18-24 months now. ive waited 12 months and mine is due this week.
Awe your grandson screaming noisy - now ain’t that your definitive “is it loud” test right there 💯 😂 Good content!
Children say it as it is ! Cheers - Roger
Great Video comparing exactly these 2 cars. I ordered the GTS.
Great video Roger, nice work 👌👏
Thanks Stephen👍
Nice drone footage of West Kirby at the end of the video Roger. GT3 every time for me, but until I win the lotto I'll just make do with my Cayman.
Hi Roger. Congrats for your beautiful GT3 and the video. As far as I understand, it is quite difficult to get a GT3 allocation in the UK. In Italy, my Porsche Zentrum would let me order both GTS and GT3. In this case, there is no discussion in my eyes if you are looking for a “weekend” car, GT3 all day long! Keep the great content.
interesting information thanks Sebastian.
I can see why a GTS will apeal to a broad audiance but for raw thrills I'd take the GT3 all day long, as it happens I haven't got the money needed for either of them.
Hope you have the money one day
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Id pick the GTS coz very seldom ill have the need for a GT3. Im also arguing if the GT3 must be a harscher chassis to ride in towns with, but im guessing Porsche has something like Volkswagens DCC system (Dynamic Chassis Control) so chassis can adapt with push of a button?
@@tredfxman it does , PDCC, but I dont think its available on the GT3, but is on a GTS
I love your videos, Roger. I live in California and I have to say that the 718 Cayman/Boxster base with 6-speed MT may, in fact, be the best car for California roads (including the engaging canyon roads) and traffic situations. Plus, gas mileage is pretty good with the 2.0T engine. Keep up the great work!
thanks and yes that 2.0L 718 is a peach.
Fair. Had a cheap 986 few years ago. I want the lower power as it means more time enjoying it! And roads are so bad in SE UK I sold my M3 CONVERTIBLE on eibachs as too annoying!
I had until recently a 991.2 GTS with PDK and just upgraded to a 991.2 GT3 Touring. The GTS is fantastic, probably faster in a straight line, and comfortable. However, it left me wanting more. The GT3 gives that to me. It’s harder to drive and is a lot less practical and comfortable (bucket seats), but you can’t beat it for raw emotion, if that trade-off is worth it to you. I find the ride to be marginally stiffer and of course it sits lower. The steering is more precise and gives me much more confidence in the corners. Completely different cars and can’t go wrong either way. Btw love your videos. You’re very articulate and knowledgeable. And the rock music is cool.
Agreed, except I think the road noise, suspension, and rpm range of torque usability as a daily driver in the gt3 is not optimal for most people. It is simply too extreme. As far as the comfort factor, ordered my 992 Touring with the 18 way seats and they are great. I love all the road noise, the suspension and rpm range, especially with the third pedal.
If you are into that, the gt3 is awesome! Enjoy your car.
Very very good comparison.. Great review Sir
Glad you liked it!
Hi Roger loved the Thunderbirds countdown (amazing childhood memories as I was T2) - excellent content and editing. For me it’s the GTS all day long. Looks like Oliver had a funday out! 😎
Glad you enjoyed it Robbey, nice seeing you,
Another great video Roger ☺️👍🏼
Hi from over the water 👍🏼
Hello there!
Nice video, and fully agree with your GTS verdict (hence I ordered one.... 18month wait though....)
The 911 is a car that gets under your skin in a way that if ever you own one and then sell it you just know you will want another. There really is one for everyone. The Turbo S just does everything, GT3 is an aural delight. The base Carrera is pure 911 and wonderful. The GTS is the absolute consummate all-rounder. But If I had to choose a body style to turn heads it would be the 992 GTS Targa 4. It might be the heaviest, but it will get you from A to B in style. That folding roof is really handy when you want to pack things in when touring too, it gives great access! If you are fit enough to get in and out, plus you can afford one it will be a car you will not regret buying! The perfect sports car.
Graet video as always Roger!
Totally with you Richard on the Targa 4 GTS - cool factor is off the scale and you don't notice the extra weight. - cheers , Roger
I recently got an allocation for a GTS (yay!!!). Really had my heart set on a Targa non-GTS but that wasn’t about to happen anytime soon so the GTS coupe will just have to ‘do’ until I get a shot at theTarga. Roger, your video definitely convinced me that I will in no way be disappointed with this car. Thanks for your perspective and excellent video! Still won’t be driving it until spring ’23, but I’m even more pumped now after watching.
Somethings are worth waiting for! 🥂 (800 miles on mine, another 200 & it’s sports plus time).
well worth the wait !
@@silvercat7328 pretty sure the manual says 1600 miles for run in isnt it?
@@davidkn you’re right! Page 15 of the manual; 1,865 miles. Sales dude said 1000 which I passed yesterday & promptly gave it some. I’ll back it off for another 800. Cheers 🥂.
@@silvercat7328 its a lot of miles isnt it, ive never heard of it being so high, pretty sure my 991.2 was only 1000 miles. my 992 GTS arrived at the dealer today, so not long for me, and I'll be working through those miles too!
Another great video - well done
thanks Phil
Great video and quality filming! What are your thoughts re a big spoiler / aerokit on a GTS?
Thanks Derrick, aero kit is not a bad idea, personally I don't think I would, however they do look impressive in the metal - Roger
Another great porsche vid from Sir Roger. Hope we get a review of a gts 2 wheel drive manual. Heard porsche made changes to the gts' manual trans. Please making more videos Sir Roger. More power!
Hey thanks Sir Ruben, nice hearing from you, more cars to come - RB
Thank you for saving me $120k. I almost pulled the plug on getting a GT3 touring to replace my GTS (that looks identical to the one you featured) !!
In my market, a well used 2019 GTS sells for more than the list price of a 2019 GT3. Crazy market dynamics…
Oliver with the cutest of noise reviews
Fantastic comparison Roger. Both are great cars. My friend is locking down his GTS spec at Chester OPC as I type this. Lucky chap! 👍😎
lucky chap indeed
Hello Roger.. thanks for the great video… I want your opinion… is base 992 deserve to spend money for it..?
Another excellent, on point video and all so true. This is the 911 I would recommend to 99% of those looking to own and truly enjoy the entire 911 experience.
brilliant video, best channel out there
Wow, thanks!
Hi Roger I like your review it's great.. For me I am seeing my self in a Gt3 touring but still not sure manual or PDK.. I woned both and live them both
thanks Hamad, theres no wrong choice
Thanks
Great review Roger....makes so much sense. By the way..my Targa 4S gets built next week!
I hope the next few days pass quickly !
Thank you for that reaffirmation- I have just taken delivery of the 992 4GTS- racing yellow. Where do I go after this😂
Great review, Roger. You mention all the points that made my decision on the GTS. I could be wrong but I read somewhere that the torque numbers on the GTS are even higher than the GT3 and 0-60 is only .1 second slower...2.7 GT3 vs 2.8 GTS. Fast enough for me. Just got the email today that my Aventurine Green Metallic Carrera 4 GTS just got put on the boat from Germany....next week will drag by...but getting excited.
Hi Mike, you have a great car incoming ! - Roger
I actually saw one of these recently on the road and thought to myself, jesus Porsche has stepped up. That looks very much like a supercar like any other Lamborghini or Ferrari. The rear side especially.
yes they have road presence
Excellent presentation
Both are beyond my reach but I spent some time in the configurator and found the GTS to be better looking in all black with the aeropackage. Also a simple stage 1 tune will make it faster in a straight line than a GT3. Of course when specking the GTS as I wish it costs close to a Turbo.
Nice comparison Roger. You can now get a GT3 for £160k, so it just proves that with a bit of patience you can avoid all the musical chairs to get an allocation and big £100k overs market, which has now collapsed two years later.
gts in that same spec is my dream car - unless i can get a gt3 touring!
Toppp review 🙌🙌🙌
Hi! Would recommend the manual gearbox on the GTS?
Thank you for the information. But when you spec. out the GT3 and the GTS 4, price difference is only $15,000
Nice Roger! You’ve sold me!
Jeffrey - thats excellent !!
Great video Roger. As a daily driver the GTS is the better car, but for pure driving there is no competition particularly given residuals for the gt3. I’m never selling my 991.2 gt3, just lucky enough to have a 2022 Macan GTS as a daily.
nice collection of cars there!
If only they used the same 4.0 liter NA engine in the Boxster GTS, Spyder, GT4. Shame.
If you configure a GTS with all the lightweight bits (carbon roof, lightweight/noise insulated glass, PCCBs, and full buckets seats/rear seat delete) and the Aerokit, I imagine the performance is damn close to a GT3.
Thanks for the video. Looks awesome in black. My 4 GTS order just locked in PTS Sports Classic Grey, but this spec with the yellow carbons ceramics is making me second guess that choice!
yours sounds awesome, congratulations
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Thank you!
I considered a PTS color for my 4 GTS. Save your money unless you are optioning a uniquely eye popping PTS color, which Sports Classic Grey is not.
@@TuvingtonD To each their own, I suppose!
@@TuvingtonD im with you, no point in ordering grey for PTS personally, my 991.2 GTS was viper green, and ive gone for Signal yellow this time :)
gts has a newer 8 speed pdk and is more torquey wouldnt be surprised if its a bit faster too. I think most people that want a gt3 actually want a gts and dont know it
Give the GTS a stage 1 ECU tune file, it will be significantly faster than the NA GT3.
Always GT3!! I just got my new 992 GT3 last Sunday and was very happy to own the latest generation of Porsche flat six 4.0L NA engine...hope to enjoy high rev sound after 1500 km engine run in..
congratulations and welcome to the party !
Great review. So big question is 2 or 4wd? Also do you think GTS is better for a daily driver that gets 4 or 5 track days a year?
Hi Michael, Personally I'd always take 2wd. The GTS a near perfect daily driver and is also very capable on track.
Well put together and narrated Roger, well done!
For me it comes down to 2 things. Do you really need 4 seats? And do you want a 911 engine turbo engine or a Race Breed NA engine? It was a no brainer for me....3 all the way. But I do understand if you want 4 seats. I'd change the spoiler on it though, to a duck tail or even the GT3 lower lip (smaller ducktail).
Cheers
thanks, good points made here
dyou' know I'd probably take the GTS given the choice. Excellent comparison review Roger
there's no wrong choice
Thank you!
You're welcome!
How did you attach a baby seat to the buckets?
The Thunderbirds! Love it!
In tbdd ex real world the higher torque available sooner makes a huge difference in favor of the gts. Sometimes I think the gt3 could be turbocharged with shorter gear ratio then it will burn anything
Do you recommend going for the rear wheel steering and 10 mm lowered suspension? Does the latter greatly impact the ride compliancy?
Hi Deepak, 10mm lowered suspension is hard to detect in real life so I'd have little worry there, the rear wheel steer is excellent and worth having in my opinion - Roger
Perfect video. I'm trading my gt3 for the gts.
Nice 👍
Hi Roger How do I get hold of a front number plate like that on the GT3?
pro plates
In brief, we need one of both!
correct
Thank you, Roger. How does the cabin noise of the GTS compare to the next step down, like a 4S? I've read rumors that it's louder, but can't compare where I live.
GTS & 4S cabin sound levels are indistinguishable, the GTS makes more induction noise once you really get on it
@@RogerBaileyOnCars Much appreciated. Love your channel.
well judged entertaining comparison, the main reason of course is number one
thanks and good point
Having a new 4 GTS, I can say that what makes it a better daily drive is the torque, more relaxed steering, and the helper springs which give excellent body control at high speeds.
Downsides include numerous rattles and buzzes from the interior that can’t really be pinpointed and fixed.
sorry to hear of those rattles and buzzes
I'm new to the Porsche family; I just picked up a '23 Cayenne GTS last November. It's exceptional. But I really want a new 911 before they go electric/hybrid, so I put a deposit to be on the waitlist for the next generation 992.2 GTS. It will give me a few years to live with the Cayenne before I trade it in. Likely going with the Coupe, RWD, PDK, Black Jet Metallic.
it'll likely be well worth the wait.
The 718 GTS 4.0 seems the most desireable as far as a high performance everyday useable Porsches go. What it has ahead of the 992 GTS is the NA engine, which I don't need to explain, and the more compact dimensions, which makes it much more suited for regular (back) roads.
After driving one for over a year I think you might be correct. It does everything that you need if your not intending to track.
i like the gt3 touring. all of the 992's are perfect
Dear Roger , please comment on the comparison between a 2022 718 GTS 4.0 ( naturally aspirated , love the sound ) cab that I now own vs the 2023 992 GTS Cab with rear wheel steering , which would choose ? My 911 comes in at end of Oct 22 , I came up on the list a bit to my surprise early July . Both cars are made to my order White with red tops & Bordeaux red interiors, pdks , Great videos . By the way I’ve driven a few GT 3 ‘s including track laps in a 2019 Gt3 RS ( loved it ) , my GTS is at MSRP . Thanks Doc Steve
Hi Steve, while the 718GTS4.0 is a sensational sports car, personally I'd take the 992GTS for its more modern appointments, that said there isn't a wrong choice ! - Roger
Roger , thank you for the reply . Keep up the great reviews 👍🏻Steve
Drop a detuned GT3 NA engine in the GTS’ softer platform and that’s the sweet spot IMO. GTS too similar to the S version
GT3 Touring? Duh
@@trentcardwell8620 Duh, cheese and chalk my guy. GT3 platform a long way from a commuter car
I still think the S is the best spot. A tune in the S will make the same power as a gts. Save that money
I personally have a GTS and for those who say its the same as the C S. Well clearly they either have never pushed both or have never driven one. The 0-100 sprint against the GT3 is very interesting.
@@rogeritt88 i saw a direct comparison here on RUclips and there was no big difference. With the fact that the mechanical components of the engine are absolute the same, I would choose a Carrera S.
I would take the GTS so I didn’t have to kneel down and beg to a OPC Salesman ! Great video Mr B.
good point Martin
Your guest presenter is refreshingly honest :-)
I have a GTS coupe coming in in late October.
Ordered with Normal PASM.
Don't need an overly stiff ride in normal mode.
Did I do the right thing?
Hi Gordon, did you mean PASM vs PDCC? you have to buy rear steering to get PDCC so it gets expensive and in the real world only improves things by a small amount, real wheel steer is worth going for in my opinion, that said there isn't really a wrong set up here just slight variations of an excellent theme- Roger
Would had been funny to see the reaction of your grandson in the GTS (boring, let's go back to the GT3 😉).
Interesting video, but to me both cars doesn't really compare to eachother, because the purpose for both is different. The one is basically a race car (even the 992 touring as many complain) that you buy for weekend fun, while the other is more aimed to be a fast daily driver. I don't think anyone would take the GTS for track driving, if he had the chance to get a GT3 instead. So when you look at it from the purpose perspective, the comparison between GTS and Turbo/Turbo S might be better, since they also are meant to be daily drivers.
Good points here thanks
Which GTS model would you recommend. GTS, GTS4, GTS4 Targa, or the GTS Cab? Would you get it in manual or PDK? What is the weight difference between them?
Targa 4 GTS with PDK would get my money, GTS coupe is 200kg lighter and feels nimbler but the difference is only slight, they are all excellent and there is no wrong choice.
I would be more inclined to go for a 7 speed manual? PDK is quicker of the mark but wouldn't manual still be more engaging 🤔
Manual vs PDK I don’t believe there’s a wrong choice
I'm facing this choice. I've driven stick my entire life and I love the engagement, but the PDK is so precise. And I think I'm done using my left leg so much in a daily. I'm ready to relax while I'm driving "spirited".
The *_911 GTS...._* _Mmmmmmmm...._ *Very, very nice.*
However. I wasn't expecting to see Tracy Island with this Thunderbirds themed video, but I'd have thought the _Blonde Stalker_ would have made a *Jilly Island* out of loo rolls, carboard boxes and sticky backed tape! 🤔😶😁 So, so dissappointed Mr. B. 8-((...
From what I've read and watched about the GTS for the last 6 or more months, it certainly seems to hit the spot.
Not too powerful and not to average either for a 911. If there ever was an _"average"_ 911?
Great video again Mr. B.
And still Your No1 Stalker ;-))...
Jilly’s obsession with Mr Tracy finally made it into a video, next up will be her full size model of thunderbird one! Nice you stopped by again TZ keep stalking :-)
@@RogerBaileyOnCars I'm going to hold you to this.
Your next video title, "Jilly's full size model of Thunderbird One" ;-))...
Hi Roger. I am thinking about getting a GTS Cab by trading in my AMG GTR. Do you think that I will feel a short of performance with GTS?
A bit probably, GTS is more civilised than a GTR & any small short fall in acceleration is made up by the GTS being able to put it down better, GTS a more accurate steer.
I think this customer history, allocation thing is unique to British dealerships,as a 992 GT3 fanboy I scour the internet for reviews and it doesn’t seem to be the case overseas🤔
I have to be frank - specifying non-centerlock wheels on a GTS is kind of sacrilege in my book.
Have you been able to drive the new Emira* and if so how does it compare to the near priced Porsche offerings?
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*S/C V6 400 HP/310 TQ
What about the Cayman GTS? It is lighter and comes with the 4 litre NA engine. So you can use more of the performance more of the time and has some of the sound of a GT3/4. If you were to use the extra performance of the GTS over the standard S you would lose your licence anywhere except the autobahn.
great car the 718 four litre, good point