Sonos Sub Mini full review and the Sub Gen 3 should be very afraid…
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- At USD429, it is close to half the price of the Sub Gen 3 before this, but the performance is coming so close... it almost feels like a replacement.
Before this, my MVP product from the Sonos line up is either the Sonos Amp or the Sonos Sub. But both of those products cost quite a pretty penny. This comes within striking distance and while they still currently hold their place, the sub mini is now the the MVP of Sonos lineup in terms of value.
For some people, you will still need the Sub Gen 3 because you have a bigger space to cover, but for most of us with an average room, this sealed sub will actually suffice.
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Your videos have been getting more and more polished and slick, aside from your always very detailed reviews, it’s great to see you’ve upped your editing game.
Glad you like them! I really appreciate the feedback!
@@PeterPee Ya, with all the Plug-ins. Nice! From MotionVFX?
@@PeterPee great video! Hey can I please ask: I recently ordered and received the White Sub Gen 3 (to pair with my Beam 2), and it’s Gloss white. Not Matte white. Does this mean it’s a Sub Gen 2 that they sent me?
@@PeterPee also… I don’t care about my neighbor, (just kidding.. I turned it up 70% volume and went outside near the property line and cannot hear anything hardly).. but the Sub Gen 3 DEFINITELY outclasses that poor little Beam 2… so I’m still in the return window and considering returning to Best Buy and upgrading to the Arc… thoughts??
Outstanding work! This video was so comprehensive and so well thought out covering so many setups. You are fantastic at what you do!
Thanks for your compliments!
Never seen your videos in my feed before, but in looking for more in-depth reviews for the sub mini your video cames up and I'm really glad I oped it!! Great stuff.
Thank you for your compliment!
Your channel has grown in quality so much over the years man! Come to you first for any Sonos content. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for your very kind words and support Marian!
We all know Peter is gonna review the heck out of the Mini and will share information not found elsewhere. Quality content as always, and all the best at your live video this Sunday!
Thanks Michael! Always appreciative of your support!
Your videos are very helpful. The most helpful I can find on YT considering Sonos, thanks a lot
Excellent review love your reviews .Well informed and actually learned more about sub woofers than I expected.
Glad I could help!
This is really helpful. I have a playbar at the moment but a speaker has blown so I’ve purchased the arc. Unfortunately I’m wait to get into a new property so can’t set it up yet but the fact that you have done this comparison has definitely made me sway more to the sub mini. Really helpful thanks
Next level of editing prowess. Very slick, Pete. Twenty four minutes of the meaty Sonos details we desire.
Hey Finch! Thanks for this and I appreciate!
This review was a seller for the mini to my application.
Well rounded, small size for a small room, tight response, expensive but still budget accessible to work with the beam gen 2. Super easy to setup with the existing beam g2.
The mini greatly enhanced the experience for my applications. Almost to the mind blowing difference that really freed up the beams performance. A huge sell.....
Thanks for the review
I am glad to have you on board!
Wow super excited for future videos!! I have a Beam Gen 1 and really want this sub so I can't wait to see how that would sound!
I plan to make that video next!
Just found your review on release day having never heard of this new Sub! This is what I was waiting for and I have one here now. It’s perfect for my setup with a Beam and 2 One SLs
Excellent video, thanks!
Subscribed 👍🏼
Thanks for being here! I’m sure you’re enjoying it a ton! I have been relistening to so much of my music and rewatching movies.
You do the best reviews! Just ordered my Sub Mini based on your positive feedback. You are awesome!!!
Hope you enjoy it! I have been really enjoying mine!
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If you wait, you might get a discount for whatever you want to buy from Sonos!
This is one of the best product reviews I've ever seen. Thank you!
Thank you Jim!
One of the most detailed guys in RUclips. It always boggles me why he doesn't have more subscribers
Boggles? Good term. I would go with Bamboozled. Lol
Thanks for review by the time mini sub announced I already fall in love with the design. I will get one.
Good choice! Thanks for your kind support!
Thank you so much for this video! Would love to see how Sonos Arc, Sun Mini and the IKEA Lamp Speakers all go together but so happy found your channel!
Looking forward to receiving mine! Thanks for the review!
You’re welcome and I’m excited for you! 1 more week!
Best of your videos to date. Lots of info and I was undecided about getting a sub. Thought about sub gen 3 but it may be to much for how I’m set up. So I waited for the mini but didn’t want a lackluster sub. I have now decided based on your video to buy the Mini. I believe it will be perfect for my system. Thank you
Fantastic! I am glad that I was able to help!
Peter!! I was so waiting for this video. You just nailed it. I always gets amazed the way you answer all the questions come to my mind.
Ok so I am the user with 2 Play ones as surround and Sonos ARC and was waiting for you to give verdict on sub mini. I am all hands down going for sub mini. Thanks for your recommendation+the RGY response chart and finally my 50-50 usage of music+movies. Truly appreciate your time however needless to say I will surely wait for youe Arc+sub mini combination video. Have a great day!!
I probably covered the important Arc + Sub content in this video but I will want to do one with the trueplay sorted and the surrounds added. I am waiting to get enough funds to buy the stuff now that Sonos has taken back the review units. :)
Big thank you, Peter. Nice review and it was comprehensive!!
Glad it was helpful!
Good Video as always, thanks Peter.
Demonstrates the law of diminishing returns brilliantly!
Glad you enjoyed it! I wonder if they already had the Sub mini planned 2 years ago when they released the sub gen 3. They probably decided to launch the Gen 3 first else no one wants to get the bigger sub. :)
I appreciate the BASS, and your sense of humor. Subbed.
Peter Pee, thank you for your video it is very informative and has reasured me about my pre-order of the Sub Mini. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jon! You'll love it!
Thank you Peter! I am already convinced! I have the Arc and was worried they would not go well together but this has reassured me! I am the 50/50 category :D Thanks again!
Go for it! The recording was done with an arc! Yes RUclips compresses it and so many recording factors that will deteriorate the sound but you get a good idea of how it sounds relative to each other. And also, the spectrum analyser should give you a good visual indication!
Great review - very detailed. I’ve pre ordered for my Arc.
Thanks! Hope you enjoy it! Actually I know you will.
Peter....You just get better and better.
I fall in the group that likes the amount of bass my Gen3 produces. I'm looking forward to adding a second Gen 3 to fill my open-concept room evenly. 🤞
Aiyoh, I am so flattered. Thank you!
Fantastic video!
Thank you for the incredible detail.
This is a superb review. I am super impressed. Great job!
Thanks Sabrina!
Awesome video! I can’t wait to get one!
I think you’ll be pleased with yourself for getting it! After all, it’s Christmas. Around there la.
Hi Peter! Well done, great review. I bought both the Sub Gen 3 and the Mini, deciding to keep the Gen 3 because it is more performing for watching movies, with more present and thunderous bass. So I returned the Sub Mini. The sub is in a surround system together with Beam 2 and 2 One SL, all in a 25 square meters room. In daily listening I realize that, perhaps due to the small environment, the Gen 3 is very invasive, not so much for watching movies, but especially for listening to music, where sometimes it is almost too present and leads me to lower it by a couple of points. Now I'm thinking of buying a Sub Mini again to retest it properly because it makes no sense to have so much power if I then have to lower it, better than to increase the smoother bass of a Mini, also considering the physical dimensions and the better aesthetics of the smaller sub.
Dear Peter, thank you for your advice. I have replaced my YAMAHA RX-V657 AV Receiver - Surround 7.1 with small KEF KHT 1005 speakers for the SONOS ARC - 2x ERA 300 and bought, after 2 weeks, the SUB-mini. (Had to convince my wife LOL) I can only confirm your observation and technical analysis. The SUB-mini fits perfectly and provides the good base sound balance which suits the size of my living room. Greetings from Belgium.
Considering same setup as yours
Excellent review again as usual! Thanks Peter!
Thanks for showing appreciation!
Thank you for sharing your professional expertise.
Hardly la. You speak highly of me and I am humbled. I only share what I feel and experience. I thank you for your faith in me!
Hands down one of the best Sub mini/ sub gen 3 reviews out there for pairing with the Arc! Thanks for helping me with all the questions and thoughts I had on whether to go with the sub mini or not! I'm in a small apartment and listen 50% music, 50% movies, and you made it easier to decide. I've just purchased the sub-mini and can't wait to hear it in my own environment. Thank you!
With music, you will feel that it is better. :)
What’s your experience and opinion on the arc + sub mini combo?
great video. very detailed and great quality in content.
Much appreciated and thanks for showing it!
You have the BEST reviews!! Everyone should watch you!
Thanks Jeff!
Keep up the good work mate!
Peter, thank you for your review! I have ordered the Gen 3 a week ago.. Now i might reconsider my decision..
It depends on the room size. If you can spare the cash and the space for the bigger sub the gen 3 is definitely more powerful. Unless you are placing it in a small to average size room.
Hey Peter, your video was really helpful. Because of it I bought the sub mini along with my arc. And so far I am quite satisfied with the sound. 💥💥💥
Great to hear!
You are the best Sonos reviewer out there so much good information your channel is extremely valuable. Thank you so much and you have a great way of speaking to make everybody understand.
Thanks for this Stephen!
Great video brother. Thank you for this!!!!!
My pleasure!
Already pre-ordered! Can’t wait. I read on another article that said it’s better for movies than music which is good news to me but contradictory to other things I’ve heard about sealed subs.
Nice! I think better or not it’s subjective too. In general sealed subs are better for music. I have also been trying it out in a Sonos play:1 stereo setup and amp paired with Yamaha ceiling speakers and amp paired with NAD 8020 speakers for music. Your experience may vary from mine.
Great review as usual sir. Thank you!
My pleasure!
Really good video as always from you 🎉
Thanks bro!
Looks fantastic. Sonos really has a grip on this area of audio. I just wish they would invest a bit more into refining sound quality. These things leave me feeling “cold” with shrill sound. Anyway, as usual, Peter’s reviews are second to none!
Thanks for your kind support there!
They sound great on cafes I guess :)
@@RennieAsh “sound great on cafes”??……What is your point?
My bass needs to be tight! Awesome review, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Great video!
I was desperately waiting for this review
I was desperately waiting to release it!
Just got my Sub Mini today to go with my Beam gen 2 and Ikea surrounds. It absolutely booms bass and I can feel it in my bones! Almost got a Sub gen 3 but this is more than enough. Tried with Armageddon, Transformers and Matrix movies. Music improved dramatically too. God Tier!
GOD TIER indeed! I really loved that guy if your space doesn't need more.
I am thinking of this exact setup. My room is quite small. So you'd recommend?
@@jedlomax100 Defo. I've gone from a large wired higher end solution to a more simple wireless one and I love it. The only downside is I keep thinking someone is at the door with the surrounds ;)
this really impressive work. well done and thank you
Thanks for the help. I have arc already. So finger crossed. Let’s preorder
Fingers crossed! You won't be disappointed!
Preorder in and ready for the arrival next weekend. Should be a fun weekend crank up the movies and tunes. 👍👍
I had sleepless nights since....
Great review. Thanks.
Can’t wait for all your in depth videos..
I have so many planned up I think I need to take unpaid leave to do it all.
@@PeterPee ^__^= but it will be worth it.. your very passionate and no one goes to town like you do.. hence why your on Sonos radar 😊 and well deserved too.
Got a sub mini with a gen2 beam, ones at rear, eq base setting 4 and treble 5, sub output plus 6 and it sounds awesome I love it, great video peter your the man
Thanks Robert!
Man I love your videos. As a novice you just taught me that getting a sub (potential this sub) will actually improve the sound coming out of my other sonos speakers.
Great! Happy to have shared something useful!
If you look at the video I am launching later, you will notice how much of an improvement adding a sub can bring to the other speakers!
Peter Pee ! master of knowledge ,Great review Sir.
Thanks for the praise!
Great video! 👍
Always top notch content!!! I'd love to know if you'd think it's better to add the Sub Mini or two One SLs to the Arc. I'm leaning towards the mini in hopes the ones get upgraded this year. Thoughts???
You reassured me and I'm going to get one. They're on sale at the moment here in the U.S.
Great review peter... currently have a dedicated room with arc,sl's and dual subs. Have been considering putting a simple 2ch setup together. It's nice to have a sealed option now. Iam assuming i will prefer its accuracy and roll off characteristics over the G3 for dedicated music applications. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
I love the sub mini for that exact reason. I have been listening to the sub mini a lot for music paired with the Play:1s and Amp!
Holy Cow! I received my Sub Mini yesterday, pairing with Arc, and wow, am I impressed! You were right! In my small apartment, I can't imagine having the Sub Gen 3. The mini at standard levels was incredible! Music especially felt dramatically enhanced. I wanted a system where I could enjoy equally music and movie experience, without overwhelming neighbors, or even my experience!.....Well, the sub mini delivered! Base was clear, deep and precise, in all the right places for both music and movie application. A must buy if you're either in a small place or don't want to be overwhelmed. It's not so mini! That was something I was really afraid would happen, that I would it wouldn't be enough, and I would make a mistake and regret it. I am really impressed and it delivered like I wanted it to. Thanks Peter!
Great sonos information always.
Glad you like them!
Well done!
I just purchased an Arc and found the bass a little lite for both movies and music. Most reviews recommend only using the Gen 3 sub with the Arc, but being a very conscientious neighbor and somewhat frugal, I decided against adding a sub. Your review solved my dilemma with the Mini Sub.
Thanks for a very thorough and understandable review.
I pinched the sub mini from my living room setup (beam plus one surrounds) for my cinema room setup (just replaced Panasonic sound bar + Panasonic sub with an Arc) temporarily until I get my Sub Gen 3 (just have to sneak the spend past the wife)- it's a fairly large room - around 5x7 meters with a cathedral roof - but the mini does an admirable job. Fortunately my neighbors are a fair way away so no issues there, so I will definitely go sub gen 3, but for now it's very enjoyable.
I just got the Sub Mini and oh boy why didn't I get that way before!? It's one of the best investment I have done to my Sonos system. I have paired to two Play:1 and the music and bass from that system had put a great smile on my face when listening to music. The music just sounds so much better! And the bass is touching! Got damn, so much fun and joy to my ears. Will recommend everybody to get the Sub Mini to really take their Sonos system to the next level!
Great video Peter! Always a great and detailed review! Thank you for sharing! What do you think if you use the sub mini in a large room? 40m2 with high ceilings?
That's a pretty big space... I am going to recommend you go for the Sub gen 3. Or Sub Gen 2. I am imagining a space of 5m x 8m with 3+M ceiling height... It's too much air for the Sub Mini to pressurise.
Remains to fix the possibility to pile the subs Mini to achieve a total experience ! Thanks for this wonderfull project and study.
Yeah. You can hack it today even if it’s not supported natively. But let me play around with they first.
As always, an amazing Video Peter! Keep Up the Good Work. I was wondering about the correct orientation of Sub-Mini and the slot. It is Advertised (At Least Most Photos) with the slot facing toward to the listener, but the connect button on all sonos are at the back. Does this means that the slots are facing sideways and not at front? Did you manage to play around with different directions and if so, does it have different impact to acoustics?
There is definitely a difference. I am trying to get enough time to make a video on that. Please be patient. For now, just use what you feel sounds ok to you. In most product shots, they have to show the slot. If not it looks really bland and plain. The sub mini is almost featureless on most sides.
Thnx for putting the graphs side by side for I for one hate going back and forth between the two.
Excellent review 👌🏼
Very informative
Is it just a sub is it like an all in one solution?
Wifi only? No BT? If so which version. Th Mx again :D
This is just for the sub. For Sonos you will need either a soundbar or speaker (except the portable ones)
Peter thx for saving some money, you are so fantastic thx keep up the excellent work!
Cool! :)
Great Video
I'm just waiting for your test of the Mini paired with 2 x Five's. For playing only music.That will be the main reason to purchase the Mini for me!
I don't think it will add a lot though.
I have never said this before for any RUclips producer. I am putting you in my 2022 budget
Great review man. That’s my only concern I’m living in a 12 unit apartment complex. Currently have a sonos arc.
Assuming you are living in the middle, you are at most pissing 4 others off. :D
This is something I have been wanting for a while, I am so glad I did not get another Sonos sub. We have multiple Sonos devices and only one sub in the living room. I have wanted another for the bedroom. I even moved our Sonos sub there for a while, but it did not work out well. Too loud if my wife fell asleep, and too pricey to only be used sometimes. My wife also is not thrilled with the size and finish. This seems to check off all the boxes.
Put a pair of earrings on top. She’ll love it.
Just got the sub mini and paired with my beam gen 2 and 2 SL Ones's. My room is 12.6 by 20.6 ft. Trying to explain the quality of sound is a little difficult. The bass doesn't take over it just becomes immersive and blends seamlessly with the rest of the speakers to give a sound quality that is truly remarkable. If you want a bass that's going to shake and rattle the walls this is not what you need, get the sub gen 3. But if it's quality sound for movies and music that is just right this is the speaker for you. Many said adding the sub mini makes the beam gen 2 sound even better as it is not trying to put out bass and just worries with the mid-range and highs and they are spot on. This is one of the best purchases I have made to complete the sound with my sonos system.
Yes. What you are describing is like perfect bass/sub integration. Sealed subs are a little easier to integrate. And when well integrated you will find yourself wondering how come all the bass is coming out from the sound bar or speakers. You won’t be able to localised where the sub is.
It's decided, thank you for the review! The thing you said about there might be too much bass in the Gen3 convinced me I should buy the Mini. My neighbours wouldn't like that and I'm more into music than movies
Cool! Glad that I was able to help you reach a decision!
Thanks your very much Peter! Great video ❤
Welcome and I love this video myself!
Hi Peter, thanks for the great review, I was awaiting for your review before committing and now I'm convinced, thanks to u! Do you have a coupon code to sweeten the deal? For Singapore usage.
Yes I do! I will be releasing it in the live stream on Sunday 10am! Wait for that! It's not a large amount but probably the best I can negotiate for you guys.
I really appreciated this review of yours. I Bought Sub Gen 3 2 years ago and returned it a week later because it simply outputs too much bass for my liking. Your recommendation makes a lot sense to me to go for the Sub mini. I'll visit Best Buy and get one for my home theatre today.
Oh yes, if the Sub Gen 3 is too much for your room setup then the Sub mini comes in perfectly.
@@PeterPee got it already, works perfectly for me😁
Excellent video , I have absolutely no qualms about paring it with my arc and two ones now. Thank you peter
Cool! Before you get your hands on it, you can listen to the demo tracks at the end of the video a few more times! :)
Bought it after watching your video. Solid buy, yes. Absolutely. Living room of 20x20ft, paired to a Beam2, there's more than ample bass to go around and my equalizer is only set to+3. Mini? What mini? The bass "boom" is felt at all rooms in the house... and also by my neighbours. I have to turn on night mode after 11pm.
Already pre-ordered mine and hopefully, I'll get it in a couple weeks. :D
I think stock levels are ok. So you should get them around 6 Oct?
@@PeterPee Not sure Peter, the info I got back from Sonos was around the 13th Oct but if it comes earlier I'll be happy :)
Great review! I knew if you liked it I’d buy it! 😂
I love it! And I have been listening to music on and on and on with the sub! I just hacked some tiny satellite speakers to work with the amp and I am stoked when I paired it with the sub mini!
@@PeterPee I have the Arc and 2 surround Sonos one's, I have a small living room, I assume the sub mini would be a good addition in my situation?
Great review, I'm using a Samsung q600b with 9200s rears, and feel the bass sounds smoother thru Bluetooth, for music, but eArc sounds better for movies, albeit a bit more harsh than Bluetooth. But the air movement is more noticeable than with BT.
Yeeees!!! Thank you Peter!
*bow* you’re welcome!
Ese subwoofer sería la pareja ideal para mi Sonos Five.
¡Estoy de acuerdo!
Hello, thank you for great work. Is it possible to place the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa (1cm above) or does that limit the bass too much. Alternatively, would it be better to place a Sub-Mini right next to the TV, or would the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa still be more effective?
Great review Peter, i've been waiting for a more affordable and compact sub option from Sonos. Looks like the wait is over. I am curious if you have the dimensions to the box? Am planning to get it during my visit to Australia soon and hand carry it back.
Box dimensions as follow
Height 44cm. Base is 31cm x 31cm.
Thanks for this 🍻
Any time!
Hi, great review. At what volume level are you testing frequency response with Arc? I wonder if it falls of with higher volume - my guess would be around 60%.
YOU ARE SPOT ON! How the heck did you guess that?! I was testing at 60.
I have a pair of Ones and I'm thinking to buy the mini for listening to music.
Thank you for your excellent video.
I have been listening to that combo! Although with the play:1s. Sonically quite similar though.
And I love it. For music.
Thank you for your response, greetings from Greece!
Can't wait to listen to it, already pre-ordered.
Hi Peter. Excellent video. A quick question. I use a Playbase and 2 x SL surrounds in my medium sized front room, to listen to a mix of music / TV & Films. Would the Mini Sub compliment that well, or do think or do i have to go to the Gen 3 Sub to really feel a difference, do you think? Thanks. Ali.
Sub Gen 4 coming and it’s gunna be a BANGER.
Great review thanks. I have what may seem like a silly question but here goes………I intend to buy the sub mini soon, but unfortunately my layout means that my tv is in the corner of a square room, so my sub will be in one of those corners also. Would you face the open slot so that as you look through it you can see the corner, or would you have the slot so that each side faces a wall? I am thinking that this could make a big difference to the sound, and just wondered what your thoughts were? (If this makes sense lol).
I just bought a Sonos Beam Gen 2. I’m happy with the performance but definitely would like more bass. So happy this was released. Went on ahead and preordered. I’ll add the Sonos One SL’s by Christmas. Should be a decent setup for a smaller living room.
I think you just opted for the best value Sonos setup available at the moment.
Same set up for me .i started with the beam2 ,later a pair of One sl ,and i m going now to buy this mini sub .( That looks not so mini 😁.)
@@46ASM I just bought the One’s this past week. So I have the full setup now. It’s great. The sub mini isn’t earth shaking but it’s enough to give movies and music more punch. If/when I move to our next house I plan to keep this set for the living room. And then have a main movie room with the arc and regular sub.
Hi Peter! I found your channel as I'm looking into buying my first Sonos speakers, and your videos are definitely the most informative on RUclips. I might have a strange use case, so was hoping to get your opinion. My wife and I use the same room for music and movies. You've convinced me that a pair of the Fives is the best solution for music, but I'm not sure what to add for movies that doesn't compromise too much. With a pair of Fives in stereo setup, would adding a Beam as the center channel be comparable to an Arc for movies?
It doesn’t really work that way. The beam and the pair of ones will be set as different rooms and while you can group them to play together, the fives will only come up as stereo sum mix. So the surround effect is not going to be as pronounced.
But if you pair the fives as surround, it will definitely sound a lot larger than the arc on its own.
Hey Peter great video, I have a sonos arc paired with two sonos ones sl and sub gen 3 and was thinking of adding a sub mini to my set up, do you think it’s worth it or should I add it to my sonos move in the bedroom? Keep up the good work, love the transitions hopefully you can start adding sections in your videos to find the parts easier.
Sorry but You can't
Cannot. Sub mini cannot pair in dual sub mode.
Had to cut and paste this response. :D
I used to add sections but got lazy :P