Your videos have been getting more and more polished and slick, aside from your always very detailed reviews, it’s great to see you’ve upped your editing game.
@@PeterPee great video! Hey can I please ask: I recently ordered and received the White Sub Gen 3 (to pair with my Beam 2), and it’s Gloss white. Not Matte white. Does this mean it’s a Sub Gen 2 that they sent me?
@@PeterPee also… I don’t care about my neighbor, (just kidding.. I turned it up 70% volume and went outside near the property line and cannot hear anything hardly).. but the Sub Gen 3 DEFINITELY outclasses that poor little Beam 2… so I’m still in the return window and considering returning to Best Buy and upgrading to the Arc… thoughts??
Holy Cow! I received my Sub Mini yesterday, pairing with Arc, and wow, am I impressed! You were right! In my small apartment, I can't imagine having the Sub Gen 3. The mini at standard levels was incredible! Music especially felt dramatically enhanced. I wanted a system where I could enjoy equally music and movie experience, without overwhelming neighbors, or even my experience!.....Well, the sub mini delivered! Base was clear, deep and precise, in all the right places for both music and movie application. A must buy if you're either in a small place or don't want to be overwhelmed. It's not so mini! That was something I was really afraid would happen, that I would it wouldn't be enough, and I would make a mistake and regret it. I am really impressed and it delivered like I wanted it to. Thanks Peter!
We all know Peter is gonna review the heck out of the Mini and will share information not found elsewhere. Quality content as always, and all the best at your live video this Sunday!
This review was a seller for the mini to my application. Well rounded, small size for a small room, tight response, expensive but still budget accessible to work with the beam gen 2. Super easy to setup with the existing beam g2. The mini greatly enhanced the experience for my applications. Almost to the mind blowing difference that really freed up the beams performance. A huge sell..... Thanks for the review
I just got the Sub Mini and oh boy why didn't I get that way before!? It's one of the best investment I have done to my Sonos system. I have paired to two Play:1 and the music and bass from that system had put a great smile on my face when listening to music. The music just sounds so much better! And the bass is touching! Got damn, so much fun and joy to my ears. Will recommend everybody to get the Sub Mini to really take their Sonos system to the next level!
I just purchased an Arc and found the bass a little lite for both movies and music. Most reviews recommend only using the Gen 3 sub with the Arc, but being a very conscientious neighbor and somewhat frugal, I decided against adding a sub. Your review solved my dilemma with the Mini Sub. Thanks for a very thorough and understandable review.
I pinched the sub mini from my living room setup (beam plus one surrounds) for my cinema room setup (just replaced Panasonic sound bar + Panasonic sub with an Arc) temporarily until I get my Sub Gen 3 (just have to sneak the spend past the wife)- it's a fairly large room - around 5x7 meters with a cathedral roof - but the mini does an admirable job. Fortunately my neighbors are a fair way away so no issues there, so I will definitely go sub gen 3, but for now it's very enjoyable.
Thank you so much for this video! Would love to see how Sonos Arc, Sun Mini and the IKEA Lamp Speakers all go together but so happy found your channel!
Dear Peter, thank you for your advice. I have replaced my YAMAHA RX-V657 AV Receiver - Surround 7.1 with small KEF KHT 1005 speakers for the SONOS ARC - 2x ERA 300 and bought, after 2 weeks, the SUB-mini. (Had to convince my wife LOL) I can only confirm your observation and technical analysis. The SUB-mini fits perfectly and provides the good base sound balance which suits the size of my living room. Greetings from Belgium.
Just got my Sub Mini today to go with my Beam gen 2 and Ikea surrounds. It absolutely booms bass and I can feel it in my bones! Almost got a Sub gen 3 but this is more than enough. Tried with Armageddon, Transformers and Matrix movies. Music improved dramatically too. God Tier!
@@jedlomax100 Defo. I've gone from a large wired higher end solution to a more simple wireless one and I love it. The only downside is I keep thinking someone is at the door with the surrounds ;)
Looks fantastic. Sonos really has a grip on this area of audio. I just wish they would invest a bit more into refining sound quality. These things leave me feeling “cold” with shrill sound. Anyway, as usual, Peter’s reviews are second to none!
Hi Peter! Well done, great review. I bought both the Sub Gen 3 and the Mini, deciding to keep the Gen 3 because it is more performing for watching movies, with more present and thunderous bass. So I returned the Sub Mini. The sub is in a surround system together with Beam 2 and 2 One SL, all in a 25 square meters room. In daily listening I realize that, perhaps due to the small environment, the Gen 3 is very invasive, not so much for watching movies, but especially for listening to music, where sometimes it is almost too present and leads me to lower it by a couple of points. Now I'm thinking of buying a Sub Mini again to retest it properly because it makes no sense to have so much power if I then have to lower it, better than to increase the smoother bass of a Mini, also considering the physical dimensions and the better aesthetics of the smaller sub.
Just got the sub mini and paired with my beam gen 2 and 2 SL Ones's. My room is 12.6 by 20.6 ft. Trying to explain the quality of sound is a little difficult. The bass doesn't take over it just becomes immersive and blends seamlessly with the rest of the speakers to give a sound quality that is truly remarkable. If you want a bass that's going to shake and rattle the walls this is not what you need, get the sub gen 3. But if it's quality sound for movies and music that is just right this is the speaker for you. Many said adding the sub mini makes the beam gen 2 sound even better as it is not trying to put out bass and just worries with the mid-range and highs and they are spot on. This is one of the best purchases I have made to complete the sound with my sonos system.
Yes. What you are describing is like perfect bass/sub integration. Sealed subs are a little easier to integrate. And when well integrated you will find yourself wondering how come all the bass is coming out from the sound bar or speakers. You won’t be able to localised where the sub is.
You are the best Sonos reviewer out there so much good information your channel is extremely valuable. Thank you so much and you have a great way of speaking to make everybody understand.
Great review thanks. I have what may seem like a silly question but here goes………I intend to buy the sub mini soon, but unfortunately my layout means that my tv is in the corner of a square room, so my sub will be in one of those corners also. Would you face the open slot so that as you look through it you can see the corner, or would you have the slot so that each side faces a wall? I am thinking that this could make a big difference to the sound, and just wondered what your thoughts were? (If this makes sense lol).
I purchased Sonos Amp based on your review, it will power KEF R700 Floorstand which a bit bass shy, do you think adding Sub Mini would be enough, or shoud I go with Sub Gen 3 ?. Thanks
Bought it after watching your video. Solid buy, yes. Absolutely. Living room of 20x20ft, paired to a Beam2, there's more than ample bass to go around and my equalizer is only set to+3. Mini? What mini? The bass "boom" is felt at all rooms in the house... and also by my neighbours. I have to turn on night mode after 11pm.
This is something I have been wanting for a while, I am so glad I did not get another Sonos sub. We have multiple Sonos devices and only one sub in the living room. I have wanted another for the bedroom. I even moved our Sonos sub there for a while, but it did not work out well. Too loud if my wife fell asleep, and too pricey to only be used sometimes. My wife also is not thrilled with the size and finish. This seems to check off all the boxes.
In your subwoofer demo part with the graphs, is it correctly understood that the Sub Gen3 maintains a wider range of low frequency and can output these low frequencies at higher dB? So basically even a low volume Sub Gen3 will still output and maintain more of the low ranges than the mini, where with the Mini the low ranges will be lost?
It depends on the room size. If you can spare the cash and the space for the bigger sub the gen 3 is definitely more powerful. Unless you are placing it in a small to average size room.
Peter....You just get better and better. I fall in the group that likes the amount of bass my Gen3 produces. I'm looking forward to adding a second Gen 3 to fill my open-concept room evenly. 🤞
Never seen your videos in my feed before, but in looking for more in-depth reviews for the sub mini your video cames up and I'm really glad I oped it!! Great stuff.
I really appreciated this review of yours. I Bought Sub Gen 3 2 years ago and returned it a week later because it simply outputs too much bass for my liking. Your recommendation makes a lot sense to me to go for the Sub mini. I'll visit Best Buy and get one for my home theatre today.
Hi Peter. Excellent video. A quick question. I use a Playbase and 2 x SL surrounds in my medium sized front room, to listen to a mix of music / TV & Films. Would the Mini Sub compliment that well, or do think or do i have to go to the Gen 3 Sub to really feel a difference, do you think? Thanks. Ali.
Hi, great review. At what volume level are you testing frequency response with Arc? I wonder if it falls of with higher volume - my guess would be around 60%.
Thanks for the informative analysis! Inquiry: With the Gen 3 now only $599 ( at least until the end of today) would you still recommend the mini over the Gen 3?
@@gregoryjefferson7647 awesome. I didn’t buy anything yet. I’m in an apartment on the top corner and I don’t know if it’s worth buying yet. Also the space is a larger room (16’ x 14’) open concept with 13ft ceilings. I’m sure it will go on sale again. Please let me know what you think of you can remember. I didn’t want to purchase the mini because I was thinking it wouldn’t be feasible for the space
Peter: I think you may have mentioned this in a prior review; however, am I correct that the new Sub Mini cannot be paired to an existing Sub Gen 3 (or 2 or 1 for that matter)? I would likely add a Sub Mini to my existing system (arc, two SL1s, & a single Sub Gen 3) to round out my bass if that would be possible. If it is not possible now, do anticipate that Sonos will upgrade the Mini to allow for such combination? As always, thanks for all you do for us!
Thank you Peter! I am already convinced! I have the Arc and was worried they would not go well together but this has reassured me! I am the 50/50 category :D Thanks again!
Go for it! The recording was done with an arc! Yes RUclips compresses it and so many recording factors that will deteriorate the sound but you get a good idea of how it sounds relative to each other. And also, the spectrum analyser should give you a good visual indication!
Hands down one of the best Sub mini/ sub gen 3 reviews out there for pairing with the Arc! Thanks for helping me with all the questions and thoughts I had on whether to go with the sub mini or not! I'm in a small apartment and listen 50% music, 50% movies, and you made it easier to decide. I've just purchased the sub-mini and can't wait to hear it in my own environment. Thank you!
This is really helpful. I have a playbar at the moment but a speaker has blown so I’ve purchased the arc. Unfortunately I’m wait to get into a new property so can’t set it up yet but the fact that you have done this comparison has definitely made me sway more to the sub mini. Really helpful thanks
Hey, Peter, new subscriber and also just ordered my first Sonos setup - Arc, 2 One SLs and the Sub-mini. It looks like I made (I’m hoping) the right decision to go with the Sub-mini for my condo. One quick question not really relating to the Sub-mini per se: I want to connect one device to Ethernet. My Arc will be right above the router while the Sub-mini will be about 5 feet away. Would I be better off connecting the Sub-mini to Ethernet to avoid interference? I thank you for all your hard work on the reviews.
No difference there. Connect to the Arc for the cleanest layout. You won't notice any interference as opposed to traditional amps. Most modern audio equipment and receivers are well shielded.
Hi, Peter! Thanks for the review! I’m in a conundrum! I have an L shaped open concept living room and dining area/kitchen combo. The long side is 7,5m and the short side is 5m with the whole L being 3,5m wide. I have my tv at the head of the L and my MLP around 3m from it and dining area behind it in the elbow of the L. I rock the Arc with symfonisk lamps as surrounds and just bought the sub mini to complement the bass. I’m tortured because though the system sounds good, the addition of the mini is so subtle! I don’t really ”feel” the bass. I’m wondering if I shoulda sprung for a refurbished Gen 3 since it’s a mid to large space I believe. It’s an apartment though but on the ground floor and made of concrete but still, I don’t want to disturb my neighbours too much and usually listen at 20-40% volume. 50-50 music and movies/games. How do the gen3 and mini compare at lower volumes with an arc in largish space I wonder. Any thoughts and insights would be appreciated.
Hi there, I would say that your space is large and too open for the Sub Mini. It won't be able to push enough air to pressurise the space so that's why you can barely feel the effects. Try the larger sub.
Already pre-ordered! Can’t wait. I read on another article that said it’s better for movies than music which is good news to me but contradictory to other things I’ve heard about sealed subs.
Nice! I think better or not it’s subjective too. In general sealed subs are better for music. I have also been trying it out in a Sonos play:1 stereo setup and amp paired with Yamaha ceiling speakers and amp paired with NAD 8020 speakers for music. Your experience may vary from mine.
Thanks you for this interesting vidéo .i already have a beam gen 2 in my living room ,and just added a pair of One sl for more surrounding effects .i think i m now going to buy this sub mini that looks so fabulous .Do you think it s possible to add one more pair of SL with the sonos system in a same room .?
Hi Peter, very good video. I've never been satisfied with the Sub G3 (no trueplay since I'm running Android) because the bass (at least for me) is sloppy, slow, and boomy. Do you think the Sub Mini solves this? I paired it with an ARC. Thank you
I think it might depend on your room and placement too. Free the Sub Gen 3 up by allowing it more space around. Move away from the walls and corners. See if that helps before you decide to buy something else to solve it.
Hello, thank you for great work. Is it possible to place the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa (1cm above) or does that limit the bass too much. Alternatively, would it be better to place a Sub-Mini right next to the TV, or would the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa still be more effective?
Dear Peter, thanks for all your reviews. Perhaps I should watch this video a few more times, because there is a lot of information you have analyzed and presented here. Basically I prefer to listen to music. I have a fairly expensive ProAc Response based Hi-Fi stereo system, but I don't listen to it all the time because I have to sit down, select music, turn everything on (and put your phone away) and then enjoy. It takes time and mood, which I don't always have. That's why I listen to Sonos all day and night. Let me describe my Sonos configuration. I have an Arc + 2 Sonos One for the movie in the sittng room. And 2 Fives + Sub Gen 3 for music in another room. I use 2 Fives with Sub Gen 3 and I'm happy with the everyday music and almost happy with the bass, it is deep, powerfool but it's not very dynamic. I also feel that Arc lacks bass a bit when I watch movies. What should I do? Buy Sub Mini and connect with Arc? Or connect Arc with Gen 3, and Fives with Sub Mini? My head is exploding with options. Thank you in advance for your opinion.
maybe maybe. What are your preferences and considerations? I plan to try a closed subwoofer design. I think this bass should be more precise, but less powerful. It will be easier for the neighbors))
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 my living room is 18ft 11 width ( ) and 13ft 6 length. I love blasting music and watching movies but sadly i live in an apartment building so i can not always be blasting music as my neighbors are sensitive to noise 🙄. i wish i lived next to neighbors that are just as noisy as me.
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 yea one day i will own my house and make the best sound system with sound proof walls. But sadly i live in NYC where the houses that are aforable which is around $700,000 suck and aren’t so big. i want to move to a different state and get a bigger house for less.
Amazing video! I got a gen 2 beam and 2 ones as surrounds. I'm debating between the mini and the gen 3 sub. I live in a condo and the size of my living room is 18x10 feet. I only have neighbors on one side and thats not the side my TV is on. Which would should I pick up? Im able to either by the mini from sonos with a 15% discount, or I can buy the gen 3 from a reseller for $540. Thanks Peter!
The Sub Gen 3 sounds like a good deal at $540 so I think you should really get that. It is definitely going to fulfil all your needs for bass. I am also suggesting this because I am assuming you are more into TV and movie content. If you are heavier into music then the Sub mini will be fine for the room size too. But at the price you can get the Sub Gen 3, that's what I am leaning to.
Hi Peter, Great see see the cylinder in the flesh 😃... I have been rocking SUB Gen2 in my living room for years... I then utilize a Gen 3 in the bedroom where the room volume is much smaller. The Gen 3 is still on trial from Sonos. Would you recommend i return and Trade "down" for the mini?? In addtion, have you identified if Trueplay on the mini suffers from the simular DB depreaciation when comparing it in your RTA measurments?
I can't compare the Trueplay before and after for the Sub Mini. And so far, I have done trueplay on but one setup, which is a Sonos One stereo with sub mini. It seems to be ok.
Just found your review on release day having never heard of this new Sub! This is what I was waiting for and I have one here now. It’s perfect for my setup with a Beam and 2 One SLs Excellent video, thanks! Subscribed 👍🏼
Hi I have an arc paired with 2 era 300’s in a small to medium room would the sub mini be a better choice and would it add to movie emersion…I don’t really need over the top base..thanks
Hi Peter really liked the video, just wanted to ask which Sonos speaker would you recommend for a purely music experience? (I'm into punchy bass music)
Great video Peter! Always a great and detailed review! Thank you for sharing! What do you think if you use the sub mini in a large room? 40m2 with high ceilings?
That's a pretty big space... I am going to recommend you go for the Sub gen 3. Or Sub Gen 2. I am imagining a space of 5m x 8m with 3+M ceiling height... It's too much air for the Sub Mini to pressurise.
Best of your videos to date. Lots of info and I was undecided about getting a sub. Thought about sub gen 3 but it may be to much for how I’m set up. So I waited for the mini but didn’t want a lackluster sub. I have now decided based on your video to buy the Mini. I believe it will be perfect for my system. Thank you
Hi Peter, you keep on mentioning all Sonos bars & speakers with which sub mini will work flawlessly. I have Sonos playbase & I am planning to add sub mini. I just want to know whether sub mini will work with playbase also equally well.
Thnx for putting the graphs side by side for I for one hate going back and forth between the two. Excellent review 👌🏼 Very informative Is it just a sub is it like an all in one solution? Wifi only? No BT? If so which version. Th Mx again :D
I’m looking to purchase a Beam Gen 2, Sub Mini and two Sonos one’s for my theater. With the Beam being voice enabled should I buy One SL’s or one’s? Thanks, been enjoying your videos….
Great review. As an owner of a Sub Gen 2, I must say I am tempted to downgrade to Mini. But, there are two reasons not to. Firstly, I would be able to sell my Sub Gen 2 for less than 350 dollars and would have to add money to buy somewhat a less powerfull Sub. Second, and I think others will agree, Sonos soundbars are not really for music. I use my Sonos in ratio 80% to 20% in favour of movies, TV and TV shows. All of my music is done by surrounds (play 3's) which with Sub gen 2 sound really good. So, switching to Mini would mean less powerfull home theater and slightly better balanced music. I think I should save my money for the switch from Playbar to Arc. But Mini does looks really cool.
Sorry to hijack your comment but just wanted to ask.. you said for music play back is just done by your surrounds, is that the surrounds that are part of your soundbar/sub/surround setup? And if so, can you help me understand how I could do that? Thanks!
@@PeterPee I would only be happy If I could somewhat replace the Playbar and Sub Gen2 with Beam Gen2 and Sub Mini bet in a way I am left over with funds to buy a single Five or a pair of One's. But, i doubt I could get it.
@@lankywardy I'll be glad to. All my Sonos (Playbar, Sub Gen 2 and a pair of Play 3's) are in the same group called Family room, so only one source can be played at a a time. The surrounds are directly behind my seating area, 2,5 metres apart and the Sub is in between them. I basically like background music while playing with the kids but every one in a while I do want some critical listening. I simply go into my Sonos app settings/System/Family Room/Surround Audio. I'll check if my Music Playback is Full and I drag the Music level slider to +15. That really 'mutes' the Playbar and I get stereo Play 3's with the Sub. My only gripe is I have to turn around to face stereo setup properly.
Hi Peter, thanks for the great review, I was awaiting for your review before committing and now I'm convinced, thanks to u! Do you have a coupon code to sweeten the deal? For Singapore usage.
Yes I do! I will be releasing it in the live stream on Sunday 10am! Wait for that! It's not a large amount but probably the best I can negotiate for you guys.
Hi Peter! I have two Fives on stands in my office in the middle of my home. I just listen to music. Mostly indie and rock. Wondering if you think the sub mini would add some more depth to the bottom. I feel like I have to turn the speakers up pretty high to feel the bass. I’m already at +9 bass and +5 treble in the EQ, but it just doesn’t feel full enough near the bottom (with and without Trueplay.) Thanks!!!
Oh, that's cos they are in the middle of the room. If you need more bass, you should move the speakers closer to the rear wall. If you need more omph in the base department in your case, I suspect you will need the Sub Gen 3. If you can wait, I will be doing that test some time down the road.
I have been relatively busy testing out all combinations and also busy at work so haven’t gotten round to trying out every combination. But the trueplay for the sub works on the Sonos play:1 stereo pair. I tested most of the combinations without trueplay for the purpose of making the video.
Hello Peter! Thanks and great video! Are you getting Dolby Atmos from the videos you play at the end of your reviews? When I search for the same Dolby Atmos test videos on youtube I never get Dolby Atmos.... only stereo pcm.
Hi Peter! I found your channel as I'm looking into buying my first Sonos speakers, and your videos are definitely the most informative on RUclips. I might have a strange use case, so was hoping to get your opinion. My wife and I use the same room for music and movies. You've convinced me that a pair of the Fives is the best solution for music, but I'm not sure what to add for movies that doesn't compromise too much. With a pair of Fives in stereo setup, would adding a Beam as the center channel be comparable to an Arc for movies?
It doesn’t really work that way. The beam and the pair of ones will be set as different rooms and while you can group them to play together, the fives will only come up as stereo sum mix. So the surround effect is not going to be as pronounced. But if you pair the fives as surround, it will definitely sound a lot larger than the arc on its own.
Hi Peter - I have the Sonos ARC and quite a medium size room listening to movies only. I don't much like the look of the Sub Gen 3 and was wondering how 2 x Sub Mini's would go insteads vs. a single Sub Gen 3? Not sure if that's possible as I'm new to Sonos. Thank you
Peter!! I was so waiting for this video. You just nailed it. I always gets amazed the way you answer all the questions come to my mind. Ok so I am the user with 2 Play ones as surround and Sonos ARC and was waiting for you to give verdict on sub mini. I am all hands down going for sub mini. Thanks for your recommendation+the RGY response chart and finally my 50-50 usage of music+movies. Truly appreciate your time however needless to say I will surely wait for youe Arc+sub mini combination video. Have a great day!!
I probably covered the important Arc + Sub content in this video but I will want to do one with the trueplay sorted and the surrounds added. I am waiting to get enough funds to buy the stuff now that Sonos has taken back the review units. :)
Hey @Peter Pee, will like to ask you, if worried about disturbing neighbors/babies , and I dont really on my volume loud(Mostly 50-60%), does pairing the sub mini with Arc make economical sense? Assuming $ isn't a problem too, but taking in value for money wise.
@@PeterPee Assuming in a HDB 5Rm, square layout living room, but open concept kitchen. The only things that stop me from the sub gen3 is disturbing the neighbors which live nextdoor (one wall separated from the TV console there). Mini is sufficient at 50-60%?
I subjectively feel that’s the case. I have been listening to it a lot for music. Paired a few speakers with it already, including 3rd party speakers with the Sonos amp. And I truly like the sub mini for music.
I have an ARC and some Ones for rear in my basement with a 77 OLED. Everything sounds good already, but thinking about adding a sub. Just unsure if I should go mini or gen3. Wifey is not a fan of loud booming audio so I never really play loud, but could use some oomph for movies at normal volume. Thinking the mini would be good enough
It truly depends on what you are using it for and if you are already pushing the Sub Gen 2. Between the Gen 2 and Gen 3, it is similar in performance. Slight differences. For the Sub Mini, the bassline is less intrusive and it doesn't sound as big.
Great review peter... currently have a dedicated room with arc,sl's and dual subs. Have been considering putting a simple 2ch setup together. It's nice to have a sealed option now. Iam assuming i will prefer its accuracy and roll off characteristics over the G3 for dedicated music applications. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
@Peter... For me and many more you are the lighthouse that guides us to a good port... For this reason and thinking of all users focused on music I want to ask you for a specific analysis of the SONOS One + sub mini versus 2 five stereo pair. How close are they? At the moment I use my One without trueplay, since I feel that when activating the trueplay all the music loses a lot of presence and body ... Trueplay flattens them.
I have been using the Play:1s with sub mini for a few days. I really love that sound. I think the Ones with Sub is a very close contender for the best stereo music setup against a pair of Fives. I have to test them and measure them though.
I have two room. One with a Beam and one with an Arc. I have a Sub Gen 1 on the Arc. Would the Mini be better paired with the Bream, or could it oust the gen 1 Sub from the Arc?
Black Friday sale sub mini 499 vs sub gen 3, 679 is it worth to go with gen3 for 178 extra or stick to mini? im planning to get 2 of one sl and beam gen2 with sub, i dont have tv will be using it on my macbook and iphone for music and netflix
Hi Peter, I am looking to purchase one of these for my Arc+Ones system. I have an important question. Is the Sub Mini also negatively affected by the new firmware? Or is it only the regular Sub? Thank you for the great review!
Always top notch content!!! I'd love to know if you'd think it's better to add the Sub Mini or two One SLs to the Arc. I'm leaning towards the mini in hopes the ones get upgraded this year. Thoughts???
I have Sonos Beam and 2 Sonos One. I bought Sub Mini and the upgrade is not significant. I barely notice the difference at mid volume. Maybe it’s a difference at high volume but I don’t need high volume. I returned the Sub Mini and considering upgrade to Sonos Arc.
Thanks for the great video. Did you test out any different placement positions for the sub mini? I know the full Subs can be “hidden” behind sofas etc. Is it the same for the mini (albeit I realise the design would prevent hiding it on its side under a sofa or a unit like you can with the full Sub)? Thanks
Can't be placed sideways. The only position is upright and standing on its feet. I have placed it a few different places. Mostly it is pretty forgiving but I found it boomy when I placed it under my desk. After moving it out from under the desk, it definitely tightened up the bass a few notches.
I got the Sub mini to add to my Beam Gen 1 and two Symfonisk bookshelf surround speakers to LG OLED 55C9 in master bedroom. I already had a Gen 3 sub+Gen 1 Beam+2 One SLs in my office and liked the improvement the sub added to the sound quality and extra bass. I just couldn't get the sub mini to stay connected to my system for more than a few minutes. I've tried multiple times troubleshooting in the app, wired/wifi connections, running app diagnostics, and calling Sonos tech support for help. It would work for a little bit and then show "not connected" in the app a few minutes later. Ended up sending the sub mini back after a few days of getting nowhere with it. First time having an issue connecting any Sonos product I have (two Beam Gen 1, One Arc, three Gen 3 Subs, four Symfonisk bookshelf, two Fives, two One SL, two Roams).
@@PeterPee I figured it out. I thought it was an issue with the sub mini; but, I had the same issue when I replaced with a Gen 3 sub. Did the old Google search on Sonos connection issues and it was the Sonos sub being too close to my wireless router causing the issue. Not sure why the Beam Gen 1 can sit 12 inches away wireless from the router without issues; but, the Sonos sub being 2-3 feet away from the Beam would disconnect? Moved the sub 16 feet away near the rear of the room and it has stayed connected.
Glad you enjoyed it! I wonder if they already had the Sub mini planned 2 years ago when they released the sub gen 3. They probably decided to launch the Gen 3 first else no one wants to get the bigger sub. :)
Man I love your videos. As a novice you just taught me that getting a sub (potential this sub) will actually improve the sound coming out of my other sonos speakers.
Your videos have been getting more and more polished and slick, aside from your always very detailed reviews, it’s great to see you’ve upped your editing game.
Glad you like them! I really appreciate the feedback!
@@PeterPee Ya, with all the Plug-ins. Nice! From MotionVFX?
@@PeterPee great video! Hey can I please ask: I recently ordered and received the White Sub Gen 3 (to pair with my Beam 2), and it’s Gloss white. Not Matte white. Does this mean it’s a Sub Gen 2 that they sent me?
@@PeterPee also… I don’t care about my neighbor, (just kidding.. I turned it up 70% volume and went outside near the property line and cannot hear anything hardly).. but the Sub Gen 3 DEFINITELY outclasses that poor little Beam 2… so I’m still in the return window and considering returning to Best Buy and upgrading to the Arc… thoughts??
Holy Cow! I received my Sub Mini yesterday, pairing with Arc, and wow, am I impressed! You were right! In my small apartment, I can't imagine having the Sub Gen 3. The mini at standard levels was incredible! Music especially felt dramatically enhanced. I wanted a system where I could enjoy equally music and movie experience, without overwhelming neighbors, or even my experience!.....Well, the sub mini delivered! Base was clear, deep and precise, in all the right places for both music and movie application. A must buy if you're either in a small place or don't want to be overwhelmed. It's not so mini! That was something I was really afraid would happen, that I would it wouldn't be enough, and I would make a mistake and regret it. I am really impressed and it delivered like I wanted it to. Thanks Peter!
We all know Peter is gonna review the heck out of the Mini and will share information not found elsewhere. Quality content as always, and all the best at your live video this Sunday!
Thanks Michael! Always appreciative of your support!
Your channel has grown in quality so much over the years man! Come to you first for any Sonos content. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for your very kind words and support Marian!
This review was a seller for the mini to my application.
Well rounded, small size for a small room, tight response, expensive but still budget accessible to work with the beam gen 2. Super easy to setup with the existing beam g2.
The mini greatly enhanced the experience for my applications. Almost to the mind blowing difference that really freed up the beams performance. A huge sell.....
Thanks for the review
I am glad to have you on board!
I just got the Sub Mini and oh boy why didn't I get that way before!? It's one of the best investment I have done to my Sonos system. I have paired to two Play:1 and the music and bass from that system had put a great smile on my face when listening to music. The music just sounds so much better! And the bass is touching! Got damn, so much fun and joy to my ears. Will recommend everybody to get the Sub Mini to really take their Sonos system to the next level!
One of the most detailed guys in RUclips. It always boggles me why he doesn't have more subscribers
Boggles? Good term. I would go with Bamboozled. Lol
I just purchased an Arc and found the bass a little lite for both movies and music. Most reviews recommend only using the Gen 3 sub with the Arc, but being a very conscientious neighbor and somewhat frugal, I decided against adding a sub. Your review solved my dilemma with the Mini Sub.
Thanks for a very thorough and understandable review.
I pinched the sub mini from my living room setup (beam plus one surrounds) for my cinema room setup (just replaced Panasonic sound bar + Panasonic sub with an Arc) temporarily until I get my Sub Gen 3 (just have to sneak the spend past the wife)- it's a fairly large room - around 5x7 meters with a cathedral roof - but the mini does an admirable job. Fortunately my neighbors are a fair way away so no issues there, so I will definitely go sub gen 3, but for now it's very enjoyable.
Thank you so much for this video! Would love to see how Sonos Arc, Sun Mini and the IKEA Lamp Speakers all go together but so happy found your channel!
Dear Peter, thank you for your advice. I have replaced my YAMAHA RX-V657 AV Receiver - Surround 7.1 with small KEF KHT 1005 speakers for the SONOS ARC - 2x ERA 300 and bought, after 2 weeks, the SUB-mini. (Had to convince my wife LOL) I can only confirm your observation and technical analysis. The SUB-mini fits perfectly and provides the good base sound balance which suits the size of my living room. Greetings from Belgium.
Considering same setup as yours
@@Pcar_dad6733interessant om te lezen....
Just got my Sub Mini today to go with my Beam gen 2 and Ikea surrounds. It absolutely booms bass and I can feel it in my bones! Almost got a Sub gen 3 but this is more than enough. Tried with Armageddon, Transformers and Matrix movies. Music improved dramatically too. God Tier!
GOD TIER indeed! I really loved that guy if your space doesn't need more.
I am thinking of this exact setup. My room is quite small. So you'd recommend?
@@jedlomax100 Defo. I've gone from a large wired higher end solution to a more simple wireless one and I love it. The only downside is I keep thinking someone is at the door with the surrounds ;)
Next level of editing prowess. Very slick, Pete. Twenty four minutes of the meaty Sonos details we desire.
Hey Finch! Thanks for this and I appreciate!
Looks fantastic. Sonos really has a grip on this area of audio. I just wish they would invest a bit more into refining sound quality. These things leave me feeling “cold” with shrill sound. Anyway, as usual, Peter’s reviews are second to none!
Thanks for your kind support there!
They sound great on cafes I guess :)
@@RennieAsh “sound great on cafes”??……What is your point?
Hi Peter! Well done, great review. I bought both the Sub Gen 3 and the Mini, deciding to keep the Gen 3 because it is more performing for watching movies, with more present and thunderous bass. So I returned the Sub Mini. The sub is in a surround system together with Beam 2 and 2 One SL, all in a 25 square meters room. In daily listening I realize that, perhaps due to the small environment, the Gen 3 is very invasive, not so much for watching movies, but especially for listening to music, where sometimes it is almost too present and leads me to lower it by a couple of points. Now I'm thinking of buying a Sub Mini again to retest it properly because it makes no sense to have so much power if I then have to lower it, better than to increase the smoother bass of a Mini, also considering the physical dimensions and the better aesthetics of the smaller sub.
Thanks for review by the time mini sub announced I already fall in love with the design. I will get one.
Good choice! Thanks for your kind support!
Outstanding work! This video was so comprehensive and so well thought out covering so many setups. You are fantastic at what you do!
Thanks for your compliments!
Just got the sub mini and paired with my beam gen 2 and 2 SL Ones's. My room is 12.6 by 20.6 ft. Trying to explain the quality of sound is a little difficult. The bass doesn't take over it just becomes immersive and blends seamlessly with the rest of the speakers to give a sound quality that is truly remarkable. If you want a bass that's going to shake and rattle the walls this is not what you need, get the sub gen 3. But if it's quality sound for movies and music that is just right this is the speaker for you. Many said adding the sub mini makes the beam gen 2 sound even better as it is not trying to put out bass and just worries with the mid-range and highs and they are spot on. This is one of the best purchases I have made to complete the sound with my sonos system.
Yes. What you are describing is like perfect bass/sub integration. Sealed subs are a little easier to integrate. And when well integrated you will find yourself wondering how come all the bass is coming out from the sound bar or speakers. You won’t be able to localised where the sub is.
You are the best Sonos reviewer out there so much good information your channel is extremely valuable. Thank you so much and you have a great way of speaking to make everybody understand.
Thanks for this Stephen!
i have a sonos arc. should i pair it with the sub mini or the sub gen 3? im wondering if itll make a huge difference or not
Please help!!! Would you pair the sub mini with 2 sonos fives???? Thank you and hi from Mexico. Awesome work!!!
does adding a sub to the Sonos ARC noticeably improve the mids and highs on the ARC by allowing them to work less and cleaner????
Great review thanks. I have what may seem like a silly question but here goes………I intend to buy the sub mini soon, but unfortunately my layout means that my tv is in the corner of a square room, so my sub will be in one of those corners also. Would you face the open slot so that as you look through it you can see the corner, or would you have the slot so that each side faces a wall? I am thinking that this could make a big difference to the sound, and just wondered what your thoughts were? (If this makes sense lol).
I purchased Sonos Amp based on your review, it will power KEF R700 Floorstand which a bit bass shy, do you think adding Sub Mini would be enough, or shoud I go with Sub Gen 3 ?. Thanks
Bought it after watching your video. Solid buy, yes. Absolutely. Living room of 20x20ft, paired to a Beam2, there's more than ample bass to go around and my equalizer is only set to+3. Mini? What mini? The bass "boom" is felt at all rooms in the house... and also by my neighbours. I have to turn on night mode after 11pm.
Amazing video! I almost never comment but this was a super helpful video and love your technical knowledge. Learned many new things.
This is something I have been wanting for a while, I am so glad I did not get another Sonos sub. We have multiple Sonos devices and only one sub in the living room. I have wanted another for the bedroom. I even moved our Sonos sub there for a while, but it did not work out well. Too loud if my wife fell asleep, and too pricey to only be used sometimes. My wife also is not thrilled with the size and finish. This seems to check off all the boxes.
Put a pair of earrings on top. She’ll love it.
In your subwoofer demo part with the graphs, is it correctly understood that the Sub Gen3 maintains a wider range of low frequency and can output these low frequencies at higher dB? So basically even a low volume Sub Gen3 will still output and maintain more of the low ranges than the mini, where with the Mini the low ranges will be lost?
You reassured me and I'm going to get one. They're on sale at the moment here in the U.S.
Peter, thank you for your review! I have ordered the Gen 3 a week ago.. Now i might reconsider my decision..
It depends on the room size. If you can spare the cash and the space for the bigger sub the gen 3 is definitely more powerful. Unless you are placing it in a small to average size room.
Peter....You just get better and better.
I fall in the group that likes the amount of bass my Gen3 produces. I'm looking forward to adding a second Gen 3 to fill my open-concept room evenly. 🤞
Aiyoh, I am so flattered. Thank you!
Never seen your videos in my feed before, but in looking for more in-depth reviews for the sub mini your video cames up and I'm really glad I oped it!! Great stuff.
Thank you for your compliment!
I really appreciated this review of yours. I Bought Sub Gen 3 2 years ago and returned it a week later because it simply outputs too much bass for my liking. Your recommendation makes a lot sense to me to go for the Sub mini. I'll visit Best Buy and get one for my home theatre today.
Oh yes, if the Sub Gen 3 is too much for your room setup then the Sub mini comes in perfectly.
@@PeterPee got it already, works perfectly for me😁
Hi Peter. Excellent video. A quick question. I use a Playbase and 2 x SL surrounds in my medium sized front room, to listen to a mix of music / TV & Films. Would the Mini Sub compliment that well, or do think or do i have to go to the Gen 3 Sub to really feel a difference, do you think? Thanks. Ali.
Is it normal to run the sub level of the sub mini in the sonos app at about +8 or so for movies and music?
Hi, great review. At what volume level are you testing frequency response with Arc? I wonder if it falls of with higher volume - my guess would be around 60%.
YOU ARE SPOT ON! How the heck did you guess that?! I was testing at 60.
Thanks for the informative analysis! Inquiry: With the Gen 3 now only $599 ( at least until the end of today) would you still recommend the mini over the Gen 3?
I have the same question. Especially if you are pairing it with an Arc which I already own.
@@dawls07 I just bit the bullet and ordered the Gen 3 yesterday to keep from losing the sale.
@@gregoryjefferson7647 awesome. I didn’t buy anything yet. I’m in an apartment on the top corner and I don’t know if it’s worth buying yet. Also the space is a larger room (16’ x 14’) open concept with 13ft ceilings. I’m sure it will go on sale again. Please let me know what you think of you can remember. I didn’t want to purchase the mini because I was thinking it wouldn’t be feasible for the space
Peter: I think you may have mentioned this in a prior review; however, am I correct that the new Sub Mini cannot be paired to an existing Sub Gen 3 (or 2 or 1 for that matter)? I would likely add a Sub Mini to my existing system (arc, two SL1s, & a single Sub Gen 3) to round out my bass if that would be possible. If it is not possible now, do anticipate that Sonos will upgrade the Mini to allow for such combination?
As always, thanks for all you do for us!
Cannot pair sub mini in dual sub config. It might be years before they allow that...
Thank you Peter! I am already convinced! I have the Arc and was worried they would not go well together but this has reassured me! I am the 50/50 category :D Thanks again!
Go for it! The recording was done with an arc! Yes RUclips compresses it and so many recording factors that will deteriorate the sound but you get a good idea of how it sounds relative to each other. And also, the spectrum analyser should give you a good visual indication!
Hands down one of the best Sub mini/ sub gen 3 reviews out there for pairing with the Arc! Thanks for helping me with all the questions and thoughts I had on whether to go with the sub mini or not! I'm in a small apartment and listen 50% music, 50% movies, and you made it easier to decide. I've just purchased the sub-mini and can't wait to hear it in my own environment. Thank you!
With music, you will feel that it is better. :)
What’s your experience and opinion on the arc + sub mini combo?
Your videos are very helpful. The most helpful I can find on YT considering Sonos, thanks a lot
This is really helpful. I have a playbar at the moment but a speaker has blown so I’ve purchased the arc. Unfortunately I’m wait to get into a new property so can’t set it up yet but the fact that you have done this comparison has definitely made me sway more to the sub mini. Really helpful thanks
Hey, Peter, new subscriber and also just ordered my first Sonos setup - Arc, 2 One SLs and the Sub-mini. It looks like I made (I’m hoping) the right decision to go with the Sub-mini for my condo. One quick question not really relating to the Sub-mini per se: I want to connect one device to Ethernet. My Arc will be right above the router while the Sub-mini will be about 5 feet away. Would I be better off connecting the Sub-mini to Ethernet to avoid interference? I thank you for all your hard work on the reviews.
No difference there. Connect to the Arc for the cleanest layout. You won't notice any interference as opposed to traditional amps. Most modern audio equipment and receivers are well shielded.
Hi, Peter! Thanks for the review! I’m in a conundrum! I have an L shaped open concept living room and dining area/kitchen combo. The long side is 7,5m and the short side is 5m with the whole L being 3,5m wide. I have my tv at the head of the L and my MLP around 3m from it and dining area behind it in the elbow of the L. I rock the Arc with symfonisk lamps as surrounds and just bought the sub mini to complement the bass. I’m tortured because though the system sounds good, the addition of the mini is so subtle! I don’t really ”feel” the bass. I’m wondering if I shoulda sprung for a refurbished Gen 3 since it’s a mid to large space I believe. It’s an apartment though but on the ground floor and made of concrete but still, I don’t want to disturb my neighbours too much and usually listen at 20-40% volume. 50-50 music and movies/games. How do the gen3 and mini compare at lower volumes with an arc in largish space I wonder. Any thoughts and insights would be appreciated.
Hi there, I would say that your space is large and too open for the Sub Mini. It won't be able to push enough air to pressurise the space so that's why you can barely feel the effects. Try the larger sub.
Already pre-ordered! Can’t wait. I read on another article that said it’s better for movies than music which is good news to me but contradictory to other things I’ve heard about sealed subs.
Nice! I think better or not it’s subjective too. In general sealed subs are better for music. I have also been trying it out in a Sonos play:1 stereo setup and amp paired with Yamaha ceiling speakers and amp paired with NAD 8020 speakers for music. Your experience may vary from mine.
I have a pair of Ones and I'm thinking to buy the mini for listening to music.
Thank you for your excellent video.
I have been listening to that combo! Although with the play:1s. Sonically quite similar though.
And I love it. For music.
Thank you for your response, greetings from Greece!
Can't wait to listen to it, already pre-ordered.
Thanks you for this interesting vidéo .i already have a beam gen 2 in my living room ,and just added a pair of One sl for more surrounding effects .i think i m now going to buy this sub mini that looks so fabulous .Do you think it s possible to add one more pair of SL with the sonos system in a same room .?
This is one of the best product reviews I've ever seen. Thank you!
Thank you Jim!
Have a Sonos beam gen 2. Would you recommend the sub mini or one of the new era products to compliment it?
Hi Peter, very good video. I've never been satisfied with the Sub G3 (no trueplay since I'm running Android) because the bass (at least for me) is sloppy, slow, and boomy. Do you think the Sub Mini solves this? I paired it with an ARC. Thank you
I think it might depend on your room and placement too. Free the Sub Gen 3 up by allowing it more space around. Move away from the walls and corners. See if that helps before you decide to buy something else to solve it.
@@PeterPee Thank you, will try your suggestion.
Wow super excited for future videos!! I have a Beam Gen 1 and really want this sub so I can't wait to see how that would sound!
I plan to make that video next!
Hello, thank you for great work. Is it possible to place the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa (1cm above) or does that limit the bass too much. Alternatively, would it be better to place a Sub-Mini right next to the TV, or would the Sub Gen. 3 under the sofa still be more effective?
Dear Peter, thanks for all your reviews. Perhaps I should watch this video a few more times, because there is a lot of information you have analyzed and presented here. Basically I prefer to listen to music.
I have a fairly expensive ProAc Response based Hi-Fi stereo system, but I don't listen to it all the time because I have to sit down, select music, turn everything on (and put your phone away) and then enjoy. It takes time and mood, which I don't always have.
That's why I listen to Sonos all day and night.
Let me describe my Sonos configuration. I have an Arc + 2 Sonos One for the movie in the sittng room. And 2 Fives + Sub Gen 3 for music in another room. I use 2 Fives with Sub Gen 3 and I'm happy with the everyday music and almost happy with the bass, it is deep, powerfool but it's not very dynamic. I also feel that Arc lacks bass a bit when I watch movies. What should I do? Buy Sub Mini and connect with Arc? Or connect Arc with Gen 3, and Fives with Sub Mini?
My head is exploding with options.
Thank you in advance for your opinion.
im in the same boat as you man. This sub mini looks nice and i also have an arc + 2 SL one speakers
maybe maybe. What are your preferences and considerations? I plan to try a closed subwoofer design. I think this bass should be more precise, but less powerful. It will be easier for the neighbors))
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 my living room is 18ft 11 width ( ) and 13ft 6 length. I love blasting music and watching movies but sadly i live in an apartment building so i can not always be blasting music as my neighbors are sensitive to noise 🙄. i wish i lived next to neighbors that are just as noisy as me.
@@kevinortiz28 Wish you to have your own big house and two Sub Gen3 for movies and 5 Sub Mini +Sonos Five in each room 🤑
@@vladislavgaitukaev3919 yea one day i will own my house and make the best sound system with sound proof walls. But sadly i live in NYC where the houses that are aforable which is around $700,000 suck and aren’t so big. i want to move to a different state and get a bigger house for less.
Amazing video! I got a gen 2 beam and 2 ones as surrounds. I'm debating between the mini and the gen 3 sub. I live in a condo and the size of my living room is 18x10 feet. I only have neighbors on one side and thats not the side my TV is on. Which would should I pick up? Im able to either by the mini from sonos with a 15% discount, or I can buy the gen 3 from a reseller for $540. Thanks Peter!
The Sub Gen 3 sounds like a good deal at $540 so I think you should really get that. It is definitely going to fulfil all your needs for bass. I am also suggesting this because I am assuming you are more into TV and movie content. If you are heavier into music then the Sub mini will be fine for the room size too. But at the price you can get the Sub Gen 3, that's what I am leaning to.
You have the BEST reviews!! Everyone should watch you!
Thanks Jeff!
Hi Peter, Great see see the cylinder in the flesh 😃... I have been rocking SUB Gen2 in my living room for years... I then utilize a Gen 3 in the bedroom where the room volume is much smaller. The Gen 3 is still on trial from Sonos. Would you recommend i return and Trade "down" for the mini?? In addtion, have you identified if Trueplay on the mini suffers from the simular DB depreaciation when comparing it in your RTA measurments?
I can't compare the Trueplay before and after for the Sub Mini. And so far, I have done trueplay on but one setup, which is a Sonos One stereo with sub mini. It seems to be ok.
And I think you should return the Sub Gen 3 and get the Sub Mini for the smaller room.
Just found your review on release day having never heard of this new Sub! This is what I was waiting for and I have one here now. It’s perfect for my setup with a Beam and 2 One SLs
Excellent video, thanks!
Subscribed 👍🏼
Thanks for being here! I’m sure you’re enjoying it a ton! I have been relistening to so much of my music and rewatching movies.
I appreciate the BASS, and your sense of humor. Subbed.
Hi I have an arc paired with 2 era 300’s in a small to medium room would the sub mini be a better choice and would it add to movie emersion…I don’t really need over the top base..thanks
Hi Peter really liked the video, just wanted to ask which Sonos speaker would you recommend for a purely music experience? (I'm into punchy bass music)
Fives.
Nice video)) so one more time if i have Arc and want to buy sub than should i go with gen3 or mini?) if money doesn't matter, only sound quality
If only sound quality matters then the sub. You will have more headroom. Use the money to buy headroom.
great review. Question: Should I get another Sonos 5 or get a sub mini to enhance my experience?
I am assuming you are already on a single Five? If so, get another five! Don't need the sub mini!
Great video Peter! Always a great and detailed review! Thank you for sharing! What do you think if you use the sub mini in a large room? 40m2 with high ceilings?
That's a pretty big space... I am going to recommend you go for the Sub gen 3. Or Sub Gen 2. I am imagining a space of 5m x 8m with 3+M ceiling height... It's too much air for the Sub Mini to pressurise.
Best of your videos to date. Lots of info and I was undecided about getting a sub. Thought about sub gen 3 but it may be to much for how I’m set up. So I waited for the mini but didn’t want a lackluster sub. I have now decided based on your video to buy the Mini. I believe it will be perfect for my system. Thank you
Fantastic! I am glad that I was able to help!
Hi Peter, you keep on mentioning all Sonos bars & speakers with which sub mini will work flawlessly. I have Sonos playbase & I am planning to add sub mini. I just want to know whether sub mini will work with playbase also equally well.
Will work together. But how it sounds I can’t comment cos I haven’t heard it personally myself. I don’t have the play base.
Thnx for putting the graphs side by side for I for one hate going back and forth between the two.
Excellent review 👌🏼
Very informative
Is it just a sub is it like an all in one solution?
Wifi only? No BT? If so which version. Th Mx again :D
This is just for the sub. For Sonos you will need either a soundbar or speaker (except the portable ones)
I’m looking to purchase a Beam Gen 2, Sub Mini and two Sonos one’s for my theater. With the Beam being voice enabled should I buy One SL’s or one’s? Thanks, been enjoying your videos….
Save $20 x 2 and buy the One SLs. The Beam can handle the voice commands already.
Can it make a ceiling shake or vibrate a bit, can u actually feel it.
Compare the mini with JBL 2.1, which 1 is powerful.
Great review. As an owner of a Sub Gen 2, I must say I am tempted to downgrade to Mini. But, there are two reasons not to. Firstly, I would be able to sell my Sub Gen 2 for less than 350 dollars and would have to add money to buy somewhat a less powerfull Sub. Second, and I think others will agree, Sonos soundbars are not really for music. I use my Sonos in ratio 80% to 20% in favour of movies, TV and TV shows. All of my music is done by surrounds (play 3's) which with Sub gen 2 sound really good. So, switching to Mini would mean less powerfull home theater and slightly better balanced music. I think I should save my money for the switch from Playbar to Arc. But Mini does looks really cool.
I second your line of thoughts. Good analysis. The sub mini will not be as powerful as the sub gen 2.
Sorry to hijack your comment but just wanted to ask.. you said for music play back is just done by your surrounds, is that the surrounds that are part of your soundbar/sub/surround setup? And if so, can you help me understand how I could do that? Thanks!
@@PeterPee I would only be happy If I could somewhat replace the Playbar and Sub Gen2 with Beam Gen2 and Sub Mini bet in a way I am left over with funds to buy a single Five or a pair of One's. But, i doubt I could get it.
@@lankywardy I'll be glad to. All my Sonos (Playbar, Sub Gen 2 and a pair of Play 3's) are in the same group called Family room, so only one source can be played at a a time. The surrounds are directly behind my seating area, 2,5 metres apart and the Sub is in between them. I basically like background music while playing with the kids but every one in a while I do want some critical listening. I simply go into my Sonos app settings/System/Family Room/Surround Audio. I'll check if my Music Playback is Full and I drag the Music level slider to +15. That really 'mutes' the Playbar and I get stereo Play 3's with the Sub. My only gripe is I have to turn around to face stereo setup properly.
@@nevenmiskulin Absolute legend mate, thanks for confirming!
I have never said this before for any RUclips producer. I am putting you in my 2022 budget
Hi Peter, thanks for the great review, I was awaiting for your review before committing and now I'm convinced, thanks to u! Do you have a coupon code to sweeten the deal? For Singapore usage.
Yes I do! I will be releasing it in the live stream on Sunday 10am! Wait for that! It's not a large amount but probably the best I can negotiate for you guys.
You do the best reviews! Just ordered my Sub Mini based on your positive feedback. You are awesome!!!
Hope you enjoy it! I have been really enjoying mine!
Hi Peter! I have two Fives on stands in my office in the middle of my home. I just listen to music. Mostly indie and rock. Wondering if you think the sub mini would add some more depth to the bottom. I feel like I have to turn the speakers up pretty high to feel the bass. I’m already at +9 bass and +5 treble in the EQ, but it just doesn’t feel full enough near the bottom (with and without Trueplay.)
Thanks!!!
Oh, that's cos they are in the middle of the room. If you need more bass, you should move the speakers closer to the rear wall. If you need more omph in the base department in your case, I suspect you will need the Sub Gen 3. If you can wait, I will be doing that test some time down the road.
@@PeterPee Thank you!!
Hi Peter. Great video. Do Trueplay works correct with the SUB mini and Arc? Or is it just horrible like the SUB gen 3 disaster?
I have been relatively busy testing out all combinations and also busy at work so haven’t gotten round to trying out every combination. But the trueplay for the sub works on the Sonos play:1 stereo pair. I tested most of the combinations without trueplay for the purpose of making the video.
@@PeterPee Thanks Peter for quick response. I Hope you have time to do a lot more tests 🙂
Hello Peter! Thanks and great video!
Are you getting Dolby Atmos from the videos you play at the end of your reviews? When I search for the same Dolby Atmos test videos on youtube I never get Dolby Atmos.... only stereo pcm.
RUclips won't give you Atmos. Use this to play directly from your TV. If the player on the TV supports this. www.peterpee.com/demo
Hi Peter! I found your channel as I'm looking into buying my first Sonos speakers, and your videos are definitely the most informative on RUclips. I might have a strange use case, so was hoping to get your opinion. My wife and I use the same room for music and movies. You've convinced me that a pair of the Fives is the best solution for music, but I'm not sure what to add for movies that doesn't compromise too much. With a pair of Fives in stereo setup, would adding a Beam as the center channel be comparable to an Arc for movies?
It doesn’t really work that way. The beam and the pair of ones will be set as different rooms and while you can group them to play together, the fives will only come up as stereo sum mix. So the surround effect is not going to be as pronounced.
But if you pair the fives as surround, it will definitely sound a lot larger than the arc on its own.
Excellent review love your reviews .Well informed and actually learned more about sub woofers than I expected.
Glad I could help!
Thanks pete , Can i use dual sub mini with a Beam Gen2?
Hey Peter, your video was really helpful. Because of it I bought the sub mini along with my arc. And so far I am quite satisfied with the sound. 💥💥💥
Great to hear!
Hello my friend, and thank you for the review. Have you tried it with the ikea frames yet, any issues? did it sound balanced? Thank you.
Yes, I tried. It sounded very good. Although I had to keep moving on and I listened to it for only a few songs.
@@PeterPee Thanks for the response. Hopefully they make an appearance together in a future video :-)
Hi Peter - I have the Sonos ARC and quite a medium size room listening to movies only. I don't much like the look of the Sub Gen 3 and was wondering how 2 x Sub Mini's would go insteads vs. a single Sub Gen 3? Not sure if that's possible as I'm new to Sonos. Thank you
Unfortunately the sub minis cannot be paired up. At least not supported by Sonos directly.
Peter!! I was so waiting for this video. You just nailed it. I always gets amazed the way you answer all the questions come to my mind.
Ok so I am the user with 2 Play ones as surround and Sonos ARC and was waiting for you to give verdict on sub mini. I am all hands down going for sub mini. Thanks for your recommendation+the RGY response chart and finally my 50-50 usage of music+movies. Truly appreciate your time however needless to say I will surely wait for youe Arc+sub mini combination video. Have a great day!!
I probably covered the important Arc + Sub content in this video but I will want to do one with the trueplay sorted and the surrounds added. I am waiting to get enough funds to buy the stuff now that Sonos has taken back the review units. :)
Hi Peter. Did u pair the mini sub with the ones? Hope to hear your comments on tis pairing. Thank you.
Yes I did pair that way. It was very good.
Hey @Peter Pee, will like to ask you, if worried about disturbing neighbors/babies , and I dont really on my volume loud(Mostly 50-60%), does pairing the sub mini with Arc make economical sense? Assuming $ isn't a problem too, but taking in value for money wise.
Yes, at 50-60% volume, the Sub mini really kicks in. But hey, 50-60% on a sonos system is LOUD!
@@PeterPee Assuming in a HDB 5Rm, square layout living room, but open concept kitchen. The only things that stop me from the sub gen3 is disturbing the neighbors which live nextdoor (one wall separated from the TV console there). Mini is sufficient at 50-60%?
Thanks for the video. How is your honest opinion regarding music? Is the sub mini really more musical than the regular sub…?
I subjectively feel that’s the case. I have been listening to it a lot for music. Paired a few speakers with it already, including 3rd party speakers with the Sonos amp. And I truly like the sub mini for music.
@@PeterPee thank you. Cant wait to try it myself ;-)
I have an ARC and some Ones for rear in my basement with a 77 OLED. Everything sounds good already, but thinking about adding a sub. Just unsure if I should go mini or gen3. Wifey is not a fan of loud booming audio so I never really play loud, but could use some oomph for movies at normal volume. Thinking the mini would be good enough
Great video, how would the Sub Gen 2 compare to the Mini when using with the Arc? would it be a downgrade?
It truly depends on what you are using it for and if you are already pushing the Sub Gen 2. Between the Gen 2 and Gen 3, it is similar in performance. Slight differences. For the Sub Mini, the bassline is less intrusive and it doesn't sound as big.
@@PeterPee Thanks Peter, appreciate the prompt reply! clearly looking for a reason to justify a mini purchase here :)
Great review peter... currently have a dedicated room with arc,sl's and dual subs. Have been considering putting a simple 2ch setup together. It's nice to have a sealed option now. Iam assuming i will prefer its accuracy and roll off characteristics over the G3 for dedicated music applications. Looking forward to getting my hands on one.
I love the sub mini for that exact reason. I have been listening to the sub mini a lot for music paired with the Play:1s and Amp!
@Peter...
For me and many more you are the lighthouse that guides us to a good port...
For this reason and thinking of all users focused on music I want to ask you for a specific analysis of the SONOS One + sub mini versus 2 five stereo pair.
How close are they?
At the moment I use my One without trueplay, since I feel that when activating the trueplay all the music loses a lot of presence and body ... Trueplay flattens them.
I have been using the Play:1s with sub mini for a few days. I really love that sound. I think the Ones with Sub is a very close contender for the best stereo music setup against a pair of Fives. I have to test them and measure them though.
I have two room. One with a Beam and one with an Arc. I have a Sub Gen 1 on the Arc. Would the Mini be better paired with the Bream, or could it oust the gen 1 Sub from the Arc?
Keep the Sub G1 with the Arc and Sub Mini for the Beam. :)
Black Friday sale sub mini 499 vs sub gen 3, 679 is it worth to go with gen3 for 178 extra or stick to mini? im planning to get 2 of one sl and beam gen2 with sub, i dont have tv will be using it on my macbook and iphone for music and netflix
Hi Peter, I am looking to purchase one of these for my Arc+Ones system. I have an important question. Is the Sub Mini also negatively affected by the new firmware? Or is it only the regular Sub? Thank you for the great review!
It seems to be ok but to caveat it, I have only tested trueplay on the Play:1s with the sub mini.
Always top notch content!!! I'd love to know if you'd think it's better to add the Sub Mini or two One SLs to the Arc. I'm leaning towards the mini in hopes the ones get upgraded this year. Thoughts???
So, for an audio only space, do I get a pair of 5s, pair of era-300s, or pair of ones with this sub!?
I have Sonos Beam and 2 Sonos One. I bought Sub Mini and the upgrade is not significant. I barely notice the difference at mid volume. Maybe it’s a difference at high volume but I don’t need high volume. I returned the Sub Mini and considering upgrade to Sonos Arc.
If I really want the best music sound do you recommend a Beam or two Sonos 1 speakers
Thanks for the great video. Did you test out any different placement positions for the sub mini? I know the full Subs can be “hidden” behind sofas etc. Is it the same for the mini (albeit I realise the design would prevent hiding it on its side under a sofa or a unit like you can with the full Sub)? Thanks
Yeah I'm curious to know if the Sub mini can be placed sideways too. Thanks in advance.
Can't be placed sideways. The only position is upright and standing on its feet. I have placed it a few different places. Mostly it is pretty forgiving but I found it boomy when I placed it under my desk. After moving it out from under the desk, it definitely tightened up the bass a few notches.
I got the Sub mini to add to my Beam Gen 1 and two Symfonisk bookshelf surround speakers to LG OLED 55C9 in master bedroom. I already had a Gen 3 sub+Gen 1 Beam+2 One SLs in my office and liked the improvement the sub added to the sound quality and extra bass. I just couldn't get the sub mini to stay connected to my system for more than a few minutes. I've tried multiple times troubleshooting in the app, wired/wifi connections, running app diagnostics, and calling Sonos tech support for help. It would work for a little bit and then show "not connected" in the app a few minutes later. Ended up sending the sub mini back after a few days of getting nowhere with it. First time having an issue connecting any Sonos product I have (two Beam Gen 1, One Arc, three Gen 3 Subs, four Symfonisk bookshelf, two Fives, two One SL, two Roams).
Hmmm.. that's strange. I have two sub minis and both are stable with their connection.
@@PeterPee I figured it out. I thought it was an issue with the sub mini; but, I had the same issue when I replaced with a Gen 3 sub. Did the old Google search on Sonos connection issues and it was the Sonos sub being too close to my wireless router causing the issue. Not sure why the Beam Gen 1 can sit 12 inches away wireless from the router without issues; but, the Sonos sub being 2-3 feet away from the Beam would disconnect? Moved the sub 16 feet away near the rear of the room and it has stayed connected.
Hello, I do have a question, should I buy sonos sub mini if I allready have 2xsonos five and one beam? Thank you
Good Video as always, thanks Peter.
Demonstrates the law of diminishing returns brilliantly!
Glad you enjoyed it! I wonder if they already had the Sub mini planned 2 years ago when they released the sub gen 3. They probably decided to launch the Gen 3 first else no one wants to get the bigger sub. :)
Man I love your videos. As a novice you just taught me that getting a sub (potential this sub) will actually improve the sound coming out of my other sonos speakers.
Great! Happy to have shared something useful!
If you look at the video I am launching later, you will notice how much of an improvement adding a sub can bring to the other speakers!