Became a fitter 4 months. Found your channel about 3 months ago and these shaft videos have been helping me making my fittings more precise for the better players when they have specific questions.
Spot on once again! As someone who had never been fitted before I definitely believed that I needed a high launch shaft as I always thought I had a negative AOA and trouble launching the ball. Ironically I found out in my fitting that I'm actually a level to +2 AOA and was fitted into a low launch low spin shaft and I actually hit it a bit higher as the strike point is now much more consistent than it was before. Hopefully people watch this video and learn that nothing is better than a fitting to know what you need. Great job once again gentlemen
A can of foot spray, several shafts with various weights and flexes, and countless buckets of range balls I have figured out my shaft profile for my driver. I also found out exactly what you stress about a shaft not being capable of determining launch and spin alone. What i found out was that a certain shaft profile (heavier weight with an ultra stable tip) produces the best strike location for my swing. Good stuff as always guys.
Love this video. It once again emphasizes how personal fitting the shaft can be, and just how important it is to get fit. I think a lot of people see you guys and Crossfield to be on opposite sides of the fence for shafts, but videos like this really show how similar your views are. The way you explain using the shaft to help a player time the swing is fantastic.
FANTASTIC. Have always wanted to see this comparison and you guys explain it so well. "Right shaft = Right timing" This is the best description ever. I have tried out so many low launch shafts in hope to lower my launch only to find out what I was looking for is the shaft with the right timing for me, which happens to be a high launch shaft (Tour AD IZ). This video is so awesome and everybody should see this video. Thank you so much TXG.
I went from the stock Alta shaft in the ping g400 that weighed 55 grams to an 85 gram shaft and an inch shorter. I’d hit toe strikes every time no matter what I tried with the lighter longer shaft and With the shorter heavier shaft I honestly almost never mis hit the driver anymore. Can’t believe it made that much of a change for me.
Great video, guys. As a club fitter, I find this kind of information invaluable. It gives me more ideas on what to look for, when fitting someone for clubs. Keep up the good work.
I'm on the opposite coast, in San Diego. I recommend doing a Google search for club fitters in your area. That should give you some idea of what's available.
@@stephenmoxley3004 As a fitter, what should I look for and lookout for? Went to Club Champion yesterday, and it was ok. Felt like they were trying to put me in the most expensive equipment on the planet. The guy that worked with me did actually tell me that my existing driver and shaft were the exact thing I needed, but tried to sell me a $850 3W.....
@@bryanduchane2371, I'd want to make sure that your fitter is using a launch monitor to determine your swing speed and ball flight. That's probably why they told you your driver was ok. I can also tell you that, if your swing speed is less than 90-95 MPH, you probably don't even need a 3 wood in your bag. Especially an $850 one! Slower swing speeds cannot effectively hit a 3 wood off the deck. I'd also make sure that the fitter is measuring the loft, lie and length of all your clubs, to make sure your gapping is right. That should get you through the basics.
Ian, coming back to this wormhole I've gone down in shaft characteristics... In terms of stability and dispersion, would 350 vs 335 tips make a difference with the same torque rating? I would think the 350 tip would play more stable and improve dispersion, maybe even timing.?
I just went thru a fitting and found the exact same thing your describing. I could hit my 3W of the deck almost as far as my driver of a tee when I found the right shaft. Actually added loft to the 3W to tame it down......
Excellent and precise explanation. Which I think also leads into different flex, shaft weight etc. The shaft has to match your swing tempo and how you find that is with a fitting with no preconceived ideas about flex or shaft weight.
I always thought soft shafts would make you hook until i got fitted into a TS3 fairway with a M4 TZ 6 shaft. I fight a hook and found the way I load the shaft and the timing keeps the face open just that bit longer. I just don't see how anyone can go get something off the shelf after watching your videos. Great great stuff!
Great video. I’m currently play Diamana Blue Board 63g S circa 2009 with a TM Super Tri (Neutral) Head. Are you able to describe the differences in the new BF. I figured 10 years of tech evolution it might be worth looking at an upgrade!
Another great video (as always)!! As a suggestion for a new video, do you have a client who might serve as an example for a mid-high handicap female player for a fitting? My wife is an avid golfer in her 50s who is just now starting to grasp what differences in equipment can mean - I've tried to show her your videos, but when she sees Matt hitting 8-iron farther than she hits her driver, she has a hard time relating.. Just a thought.
I have a lot of trouble with low spin loft / low spin. I can easily hit 1500 spin consistently even in a 10.5 head. Bought an AD-DJ as it was the "high launch" option I liked the feel of. Went to CC and got fitted into an AD IZ instead. Put the DJ in my 3 wood and picked up 10 yards on both clubs! Crazy what a good fit will do. Able to time the IZ so much better now and getting around 13*/2100 and a much better overall flight.
Hey ian, I noticed Matt isnt getting quite as high in the 170s or even low 180s as he was about a month ago. Is he just going smoother for more consistency or is something else going on? Thanks
spidey.bh1 you may remember he had a pretty bad shoulder injury for a while following the PGA Show. So most of the loss in speed is just swinging a little easier right now as he rehabs the shoulder.
This just saved me a bunch of over-analysis! I would be curious if flex correlates with launch, though, as the stiffer shafts tend to be labeled as low launch and the softer (ladies/seniors) shafts tend to be labeled in the high-launch part of the spectrum
Could you please do a video on spining. I have the spine marked on one of my shafts and we cannot agree on whether the spine should be on the side (i.e. facing the target), below or on top. Also is the spine the axis of least resistance? Are shaft made to work along or across the spine please?
I have an iron shaft test in two days. Keeping my Hogan PTx heads but may change the stiff KBS tour V shafts. At least have a look to see if it worth changing. Feels like I cut the ball giving a slight right path too often. I like to swing my clubs with full swing over a softer/smoother swing. Also - my dispersion is erratic - with my full swing. Once we have felt and viewed the different shafts we may have a look at length of club (play standard but I am 188 cm, or 6:2ish, as well as have a look at lie.). I think it is time after a year of watching THE channel...
I play G.D tour ad Di and tested a Tour AD HD and that shaft is definitely low launch.... so consistent .... never hit a driver with shots landing on top of each other... great shaft as always from graphite design.... I will be going back to dial in the driver head to see if I can optimize it for me because it was just so consistent...
Thanks a lot Ian and Matty for great video...at time 1550, you mentioned a fact that softer shaft left tge face opened for Matt ...thats exactly what I have been experiencing... whenever I went for my good swing (faster) , the faced opened and the ball faded ... but the articles on websites always discouraged me to go for stiffer shaft ...as they claimed that to go for soft shafts with higher torque to cater for fades (snap hooks) ...so much of non sense on websites... Now please recommend me some shafts to try which won't let the face opened when i swing fast ...ill be very very grateful
So, the dynamic loft is higher because the face is open, but those were just the shots blocked left. If you compare shots with the most similar parameters where the face was square at impact with same path, was the peak heights the same? I'm curious what the peak heights are on the similar hit shots. I noticed that the data shown didn't have the peak heights.
Great video as always. Any chance you can dive deeper into EI curve and how stiffness in different sections may impact a player’s timing? Or how does a player/fitter narrow down types of shaft profile to try in a fitting. Thanks you.
A defining moment in simplifying the importance of shaft fitting. Personal experience fairway wood purchase 6days ago. Why is it manufacturers allow distributors to market there product with one manufacturers stock shaft option when advertising 3 different options? Additionally when checking shaft length against a friends club of same club size but different manufacturer his club shaft is 1" shorter?.(standard club no fitting)
I've purchase the f9 and love it. Going to try some weights to look at ball flight and get a little bit of weight into the head for feel/balance. I've found it very difficult to purchase any weights for my driver in Australia at any of my local stores- no we dont sell them ! I called the cobra online store in Australia -no we dont sell them. Cannot purchase from Cobra USA online store they won't deliver to Australia! I just tried Cobra USA online via email, will see how I go! Very frustrating when there's no contacts to help you out.
Great info & Tq . Would like to know does the driver head plays a big roll on the shafts? I mean some Drivers head are designed for low spin and some high spin ...
Did a fitting yesterday at PGA superstore. Didn't get the Ping or Mizuno like I thought I would because of 2-4 degrees up angle of attack couldn't get spin down. Got 10.5 M5 Taylormade Graphite design Tour IZ 6. But the ball flight is flat at 25 yrds (outside). Teeing the ball up with the 10.5 causes balloon effect. So losing distance in TX wins. What would be good for a better ball flight with maybe a different club besides going to 9.5 degree
Great content as always. I would love to see a you guys put out a video that explains the differences between optimal driver and fairway wood shaft. If I've been fitted for my driver, would using the same shaft model in my fairway wood be the right choice? Or do they typically require different shaft profiles? Would love to know. You guys are awesome!
hey guys.great info. was wondering if you guys ever come across where someone gets fitted for a specific shaft and stiffness and when the club and shaft come that the feel and the numbers, spin rates and or just over all feel is not close to the club you just demo and bought. how inconsistent are shafts. you demo a stiff and when came its now a softer feel and now its measures a regular. just wondering how accurate you think a mass production of shafts for amateurs are. the club and shaft you demo seems to always be different feel then the one they send. any thoughts thanks jeff
@ian fraser Do you believe that "one day" when we have the technology to actually breakdown a players "timing" to certain data points, just like we can now with path, AOA, speed, etc... That until that day comes AND those new data points have measurable properties that we can transfer into "information". Then and only then could we begin to start the conversation of how we would "fit" a shaft to a "timing profile". I see this as just undeveloped science, where we could grow the analyzation of a player even further. Just like moving away from the lie board and other preconceptions before we had launch monitors.
Fascinating! I am 63 years old. I play dynamic gold light regular iron shafts but a stiff Fujikura 757 speeder in my driver and usually get a soft draw. Riddle me that one Batman.
Great video and explanation of the EI curve. The timing of everyone swing is like a fingerprint for that individual. With that being said - I know that if you move a shaft from one driver to another you may or may not get the same strike point. Would it help if you were able to create the same swingweight/head weight?
guys 115 to 120 club head speed spinning driver at 6000 changed ball to avx great still need lower spin thinking about tensi white or blue or even flow white or black 70 x in mizuno st driver what you think only need another 1000 revs drop and im dailed in ? should my fairways be x flex to
GC quad must be broken and giving out errorneous data. 6000 spin on a driver at 115-120 chs would give you like 200yd total distance lol That being said, fairway wood and hybrid shafts are heavier than your driver shaft as a progression, so wouldn’t always need to match stiffness as far as flex went. An 80g stiff could feel stouter than a 70g X Flex trust me (ex club fitter, Long Drive competitor). Get out and experiment with the equipment if you can, that’s always gonna be your best bet
Great content gentlemen! I'll be honest...you have educated me to the point where I'm disappointed with the average fitter in my area. I'm at the point where I'm contemplating renting 6 shafts or so and going to my local sim and just pick the best performer. If I can dial the head in to get my desired launch; selecting a shaft that feels the best and I time well, without sacrificing ball speeds may just be my best course of action? I recently tried an Atmos Black and was hitting it super solidly centering it almost every swing...Its low launch selling point steered me away? Tensei Orange, Atmos Black and Tour AD IZ are a definite 3 I'll be testing in the next week. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.
Can a shaft influence how you swing? Would you ever consider this in a fitting? I feel that some people may adapt to the shaft and not let the shaft work for their natural action.
I live in SC and an looking for a club fitter that has the selection of shafts similar to you. Do you have any recommendations of where to go to find a quality club fitter?? Hitting my 7 degree SIM a mile to high....
Great stuff as usual, fellas. I can hit most shafts decently after a couple of swings (40+ year groove and moderate swing speed...) BUT when one doesn't work, it is obvious. Most recently the Project X LZ handcrafted... I was prepared for glory and... Nightmare
I absolutely love your channel. It’s probably been addressed but load and release are also important variables. I hit low launch iron and wood shafts high and high launch, soft shafts lower. I’ve consistently shoot mid to high 70’s with clubs as customized as possible from a highly respected fitter and lab. My lowest 2 scores came from borrowing my friends clubs on a trip using clubs that were completely different profiles in weight, flex, profile, loft, lie and swing weight. Shot two 71’s.
I hate marketers. So you're saying.....get fit. I was fit at modern golf in Vancouver and we decided on the mizuno 850 forged. Because my equipment is majorly adjusted (I'm 6'7") I've learned to order a single trail club, in this case a 6 iron. It felt nothing like the one I was fitted for, no idea why but it was unplayable for me. That's like 2-3 years ago and I'm still looking, I've got a spare 6 iron and 4 spare 7 irons if anyone needs one😩
I learn so much watching you guys. Would love to come for a fit, but my swing is pure shite right now. I need to commit and put in the time for my swing changes. I might still come to TO to treat you guys to some Rodney's, especially if your Raptors actually do something
Can you do a video comparing swing weight vs actual weight. My fitting yielded a HEAVIER shaft with a LIGHTER swingweight... so the feeling was that my swing was faster and overall felt lighter... yet my dispersion was about 3 yards better and gained more distance. With MORE OVERALL WEIGHT!! TXG you guys are amazing!!!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽⛳🏌🏿♂️
Just fitted for Mizuno clubs . Only prob was launch higish 7 iron 20 deg and spin lowish 5000 swing speed 78 mph . Will angle of attack raise spin and lower launch or go non pen shaft . Or can ball alter . 95 % center strike
Another great video from you guys. How often does a certain swing type suit a certain ei profile? For example, someone who hits down on it suiting a softer tip and someone who hits up on it a lot suiting a stiffer tip. And how often is there complete curve balls to those findings?
Love the channel and all of the content you guys put out. Fun to watch and actually learn a few things along the way! Was curious what you guys know about Veylix shafts. Have been fitted 3 times for the Rome 688. Twice in drivers and once in a 5wood. Tried looking at the main page of Veylix for information on the shaft but there is very little to be had.
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Am I correct in thinking a stiff tip suits Matt and not a soft tip which seems to me to pliable for him. He has much better control with a harder or stiffer tip methinks. I may be completely wrong. Also Matt himself immediately felt more comfortable with the lower launch version of the shaft. He is an awesome striker of a golf ball. I would appreciate some comments on my thoughts. Once again an absolutely fascinating and great insight into shafts from Ian. Incidentally I would be interested in the difference in torque between the two shafts.
What's the advantages or disadvantages of stiff butt or soft butt shaft and the same thing with stiff tip or soft tip shaft.what are the feel characteristics.
Great video guys 👏. Subbed immediately. Can u do a video next where you talk about shaft torque. I've heard opposite explanations by guys in the industry that say 1: torque has an impact on shot disparity during mishits and 2: torque does absolutely nothing except make a driver feel more "boardy"... I would imagine that torque (along with other variables, ex: bulge and roll) can somehow interact with horizontal gear effect in either a positive or negative way depending on any swing.. but I would really love a statistical based explanation of what exactly torque does to a swing, all other variables held equal.. if it does anything at all... Thanks in advance if you consider this idea..
Hi Team TXG massive fan all the way from South Africa and was hoping you could potentially explain what the difference shaft weight would do for the same bend profile. I recently purchased a Ping G410 Plus driver and G410 3 hybrid and both fittings were pretty easy to slot down with the stock Ping Tour 65 Stiff in the driver and the Ping Tour 85 Stiff for the Hybrid. The fairway wood however is posing a bit more of a problem as I did struggle with the Ping Tour 75 Stiff shaft in terms of dispersion which I am sure is also linked to my swing mechanics but was wondering what difference the Ping Tour 65 Stiff shaft would do on the fairway wood compared to the 75.
Finally got round to viewing this video. Thank you! Is there a way of categorising the heads high spin low spin and lofts for speeds at certain AoA ? Also hints on tips that could help optimise AoA ?
Excellent video I watch all your videos and they are very informative I also notice if I swing a regular shaft that's too soft I usually push the ball not hook it interesting now I'm kind of understanding why I do much better with a heavier stiffer shaft even though my club head speeds about 103 with a driver but I have a very quick Tempo at the bottom of my swing with my hands I've experimented my whole life to try to find what works heavier and slightly stiffer works better for me my hybrid shafts are 80 gram stiff I hit that much straighter than a 65 gram lighter regular
Hi guys I love the content, I’m gaming the st190 with the atmos 6s shaft and it’s performing well but the launch could be lower, with the atmos black 6 and 7 tour being so expensive, what other low launch shafts can be mixed with the Mizuno?
My question is, if you take 4 or 5 shafts with the same ei curves, regardless of make/model, can Matt get the same results with any of these shafts? I guess I should add, what's the chances of any two shafts from different manufactures or even models from the same manufacturer having the same ei curve?
Ah, so just having similar ei curves doesn't mean they'll perform the same then. But I thought that was whole idea of going to an ei curve based system for shafts.
TheBrownViking not if you want to test how different shaft profiles work differently for different players. Influencing the timing of golfer to create better timing is the key to shaft fitting. Unfortunately you can’t influence a robot so it doesn’t teach you much.
@@gearbox1858 a robot would keep all variables equal, and would offer far more controls in an experiment of this type. PING uses one, they must have no idea what they are doing. :-)
TheBrownViking no shit Sherlock. Do you have any idea how much they cost? TXG’s business is custom fitting humans...not robots. Geez...give me ur PayPal address so I can send you some money so you can go buy a clue....
It would be really interesting on these shaft nerd out videos if there was a high-speed camera capturing the shafts and head through the swing from take away to end of the follow through.
So in "Theory" and I know I need to dial it in more, but I struggle with a push/fade with my Driver and it could be the Sim Head I have and I've recently hit the Sim2 Max which is more forgiving with better results overall to me, but I still push it when I miss. Not as much as with the Sim2 Max as apposed to the Original Sim. Same shafts as I have 2 - Should I try a S as I'm in a Project X, R - there very light shaft which is 39 gram and then a UST yellow shaft that is also R - Proforce V2 6 and , my club head speed is 95-105max. I'm a feel player. It's all about feeling the head and timing. With my Irons I use the Nippon 950's R and I love them, but that's with my Irons ;) I have a quick tempo into the ball...so I take it back slower to the top and fire through. Again I know I need to dial it in, but can you give me some options to start with to go hit. I just want to stay in the short grass more. I can scramble, but want to be more consistent. SORRY for the rant...THANKS IN ADVANCE! ;) LOVE YOUR WORK!!!
Awesome,,,,,,,, I did how ever see the tensei orange launch high compared to the blue and spun too high for me when there claim in high launch low spin. Not for me as it spun too high as well. The blue was a fantastic flight and perfect numbers for me. Brilliant again guys and always on the Ball ⛳🏌️♂️
Became a fitter 4 months. Found your channel about 3 months ago and these shaft videos have been helping me making my fittings more precise for the better players when they have specific questions.
4:41 Diamana RF 70X
5:08 Ball Speed 173MPH
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Diamana DF 7-X
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Spot on once again! As someone who had never been fitted before I definitely believed that I needed a high launch shaft as I always thought I had a negative AOA and trouble launching the ball. Ironically I found out in my fitting that I'm actually a level to +2 AOA and was fitted into a low launch low spin shaft and I actually hit it a bit higher as the strike point is now much more consistent than it was before. Hopefully people watch this video and learn that nothing is better than a fitting to know what you need. Great job once again gentlemen
A can of foot spray, several shafts with various weights and flexes, and countless buckets of range balls I have figured out my shaft profile for my driver. I also found out exactly what you stress about a shaft not being capable of determining launch and spin alone. What i found out was that a certain shaft profile (heavier weight with an ultra stable tip) produces the best strike location for my swing. Good stuff as always guys.
I have been golfing since 1982 and you completely debunked the paradigm I have had all these years. Great video.
Love this video. It once again emphasizes how personal fitting the shaft can be, and just how important it is to get fit. I think a lot of people see you guys and Crossfield to be on opposite sides of the fence for shafts, but videos like this really show how similar your views are. The way you explain using the shaft to help a player time the swing is fantastic.
Y'all are the Yodas of golf. Every video like this about equipment myths and truths is a gold mine!
Fascinating master class by Professor Fraser. Always learn a lot. The shaft is just one part of the equation. Well done.
I like to watch TXG videos when it's rainy and I can't go golf lol.
FANTASTIC. Have always wanted to see this comparison and you guys explain it so well. "Right shaft = Right timing" This is the best description ever. I have tried out so many low launch shafts in hope to lower my launch only to find out what I was looking for is the shaft with the right timing for me, which happens to be a high launch shaft (Tour AD IZ). This video is so awesome and everybody should see this video. Thank you so much TXG.
I went from the stock Alta shaft in the ping g400 that weighed 55 grams to an 85 gram shaft and an inch shorter. I’d hit toe strikes every time no matter what I tried with the lighter longer shaft and With the shorter heavier shaft I honestly almost never mis hit the driver anymore. Can’t believe it made that much of a change for me.
Great video, guys. As a club fitter, I find this kind of information invaluable. It gives me more ideas on what to look for, when fitting someone for clubs. Keep up the good work.
Where are you a fitter? Looking for someone in the Myrtle Beach area that's not Club Champion...
I'm on the opposite coast, in San Diego. I recommend doing a Google search for club fitters in your area. That should give you some idea of what's available.
@@stephenmoxley3004 As a fitter, what should I look for and lookout for? Went to Club Champion yesterday, and it was ok. Felt like they were trying to put me in the most expensive equipment on the planet. The guy that worked with me did actually tell me that my existing driver and shaft were the exact thing I needed, but tried to sell me a $850 3W.....
@@bryanduchane2371, I'd want to make sure that your fitter is using a launch monitor to determine your swing speed and ball flight. That's probably why they told you your driver was ok. I can also tell you that, if your swing speed is less than 90-95 MPH, you probably don't even need a 3 wood in your bag. Especially an $850 one! Slower swing speeds cannot effectively hit a 3 wood off the deck. I'd also make sure that the fitter is measuring the loft, lie and length of all your clubs, to make sure your gapping is right. That should get you through the basics.
Ian, coming back to this wormhole I've gone down in shaft characteristics... In terms of stability and dispersion, would 350 vs 335 tips make a difference with the same torque rating? I would think the 350 tip would play more stable and improve dispersion, maybe even timing.?
From my experience a shaft can play a bigger role in the launch of a 3 wood than a driver. Do you also find this in your fittings?
I just went thru a fitting and found the exact same thing your describing. I could hit my 3W of the deck almost as far as my driver of a tee when I found the right shaft. Actually added loft to the 3W to tame it down......
Excellent and precise explanation. Which I think also leads into different flex, shaft weight etc. The shaft has to match your swing tempo and how you find that is with a fitting with no preconceived ideas about flex or shaft weight.
I always thought soft shafts would make you hook until i got fitted into a TS3 fairway with a M4 TZ 6 shaft. I fight a hook and found the way I load the shaft and the timing keeps the face open just that bit longer. I just don't see how anyone can go get something off the shelf after watching your videos. Great great stuff!
Great video. I’m currently play Diamana Blue Board 63g S circa 2009 with a TM Super Tri (Neutral) Head. Are you able to describe the differences in the new BF. I figured 10 years of tech evolution it might be worth looking at an upgrade!
One of your best videos. Learned alot off this one.
Another great video (as always)!! As a suggestion for a new video, do you have a client who might serve as an example for a mid-high handicap female player for a fitting? My wife is an avid golfer in her 50s who is just now starting to grasp what differences in equipment can mean - I've tried to show her your videos, but when she sees Matt hitting 8-iron farther than she hits her driver, she has a hard time relating.. Just a thought.
I have a lot of trouble with low spin loft / low spin. I can easily hit 1500 spin consistently even in a 10.5 head. Bought an AD-DJ as it was the "high launch" option I liked the feel of. Went to CC and got fitted into an AD IZ instead. Put the DJ in my 3 wood and picked up 10 yards on both clubs! Crazy what a good fit will do. Able to time the IZ so much better now and getting around 13*/2100 and a much better overall flight.
What is Matt’s Weight configuration on the F9? Is it 6g in the back and 18g in the front?
Timothy Willett 14g front 6g back
Hey ian,
I noticed Matt isnt getting quite as high in the 170s or even low 180s as he was about a month ago. Is he just going smoother for more consistency or is something else going on?
Thanks
spidey.bh1 you may remember he had a pretty bad shoulder injury for a while following the PGA Show. So most of the loss in speed is just swinging a little easier right now as he rehabs the shoulder.
@@ianfrasergolf Such a shame he has to put up with a 335 yard drive :)
This just saved me a bunch of over-analysis! I would be curious if flex correlates with launch, though, as the stiffer shafts tend to be labeled as low launch and the softer (ladies/seniors) shafts tend to be labeled in the high-launch part of the spectrum
Could you please do a video on spining. I have the spine marked on one of my shafts and we cannot agree on whether the spine should be on the side (i.e. facing the target), below or on top. Also is the spine the axis of least resistance? Are shaft made to work along or across the spine please?
I have an iron shaft test in two days. Keeping my Hogan PTx heads but may change the stiff KBS tour V shafts. At least have a look to see if it worth changing. Feels like I cut the ball giving a slight right path too often. I like to swing my clubs with full swing over a softer/smoother swing. Also - my dispersion is erratic - with my full swing.
Once we have felt and viewed the different shafts we may have a look at length of club (play standard but I am 188 cm, or 6:2ish, as well as have a look at lie.).
I think it is time after a year of watching THE channel...
I play G.D tour ad Di and tested a Tour AD HD and that shaft is definitely low launch.... so consistent .... never hit a driver with shots landing on top of each other... great shaft as always from graphite design.... I will be going back to dial in the driver head to see if I can optimize it for me because it was just so consistent...
Thanks a lot Ian and Matty for great video...at time 1550, you mentioned a fact that softer shaft left tge face opened for Matt ...thats exactly what I have been experiencing... whenever I went for my good swing (faster) , the faced opened and the ball faded ... but the articles on websites always discouraged me to go for stiffer shaft ...as they claimed that to go for soft shafts with higher torque to cater for fades (snap hooks) ...so much of non sense on websites...
Now please recommend me some shafts to try which won't let the face opened when i swing fast ...ill be very very grateful
So, the dynamic loft is higher because the face is open, but those were just the shots blocked left. If you compare shots with the most similar parameters where the face was square at impact with same path, was the peak heights the same? I'm curious what the peak heights are on the similar hit shots. I noticed that the data shown didn't have the peak heights.
Great video as always. Any chance you can dive deeper into EI curve and how stiffness in different sections may impact a player’s timing? Or how does a player/fitter narrow down types of shaft profile to try in a fitting. Thanks you.
So wish I could just fly over to you guys & just get fitted for a full bag & be done with equipment for the next 10 years 😂👌 Quality as always guys
A defining moment in simplifying the importance of shaft fitting.
Personal experience fairway wood purchase 6days ago.
Why is it manufacturers allow distributors to market there product with one manufacturers stock shaft option when advertising 3 different options?
Additionally when checking shaft length against a friends club of same club size but different manufacturer his club shaft is 1" shorter?.(standard club no fitting)
Hi Ian can you tell me what weight configuration you had in the f9 driver?
blueheelerheath1 std loft setting 9deg, 14g in front 6g at the back.
I've purchase the f9 and love it. Going to try some weights to look at ball flight and get a little bit of weight into the head for feel/balance.
I've found it very difficult to purchase any weights for my driver in Australia at any of my local stores- no we dont sell them ! I called the cobra online store in Australia -no we dont sell them. Cannot purchase from Cobra USA online store they won't deliver to Australia! I just tried Cobra USA online via email, will see how I go! Very frustrating when there's no contacts to help you out.
blueheelerheath1 that’s not so good!! We’ll let us know if you’re struggling, we can always sell you some and send them over.
@@ianfrasergolf Thanks Ian. I'll keep you posted.🤞
Great info & Tq .
Would like to know does the driver head plays a big roll on the shafts?
I mean some Drivers head are designed for low spin and some high spin ...
When do you guys think the video explaining the adjustable shaft sleeve will go live?
Did a fitting yesterday at PGA superstore. Didn't get the Ping or Mizuno like I thought I would because of 2-4 degrees up angle of attack couldn't get spin down. Got 10.5 M5 Taylormade Graphite design Tour IZ 6. But the ball flight is flat at 25 yrds (outside). Teeing the ball up with the 10.5 causes balloon effect. So losing distance in TX wins. What would be good for a better ball flight with maybe a different club besides going to 9.5 degree
Enlightening video guys. Can we add a sidenote- how ridiculously good the F9 is!!
What grip is on the clubs ? Test is very interesting
Great content as always. I would love to see a you guys put out a video that explains the differences between optimal driver and fairway wood shaft. If I've been fitted for my driver, would using the same shaft model in my fairway wood be the right choice? Or do they typically require different shaft profiles? Would love to know.
You guys are awesome!
Txg how do you go albu fitting a driver for someone that has a 2 way miss off the tee ?
Aaron___ it's not the equipment.
mmbaines doesn’t mean equipment can’t help.
Aaron___ you establish a one way miss. By creating a dominant ball flight the fairway becomes significantly wider.
hey guys.great info. was wondering if you guys ever come across where someone gets fitted for a specific shaft and stiffness and when the club and shaft come that the feel and the numbers, spin rates and or just over all feel is not close to the club you just demo and bought. how inconsistent are shafts. you demo a stiff and when came its now a softer feel and now its measures a regular. just wondering how accurate you think a mass production of shafts for amateurs are. the club and shaft you demo seems to always be different feel then the one they send. any thoughts thanks jeff
@ian fraser Do you believe that "one day" when we have the technology to actually breakdown a players "timing" to certain data points, just like we can now with path, AOA, speed, etc... That until that day comes AND those new data points have measurable properties that we can transfer into "information". Then and only then could we begin to start the conversation of how we would "fit" a shaft to a "timing profile". I see this as just undeveloped science, where we could grow the analyzation of a player even further. Just like moving away from the lie board and other preconceptions before we had launch monitors.
michael larimore I believe that day is closer than people may think Michael and the technology may already be available.
Great insights as always! Could you do a test/review of the Taylormade mini driver one of these days?
misteragony coming this week actually!!
Fascinating! I am 63 years old. I play dynamic gold light regular iron shafts but a stiff Fujikura 757 speeder in my driver and usually get a soft draw. Riddle me that one Batman.
Great video and explanation of the EI curve. The timing of everyone swing is like a fingerprint for that individual. With that being said - I know that if you move a shaft from one driver to another you may or may not get the same strike point. Would it help if you were able to create the same swingweight/head weight?
I could watch this guy hit golf balls all day long
Dream swing! Dream ball flight
Great video thanks for all the info, what profile will be comparable to a tour ad bb-7 stiff?
I noticed y’all had the weights with both the 14g on front and back.. what’s the benefit?
B james Penrod we had 14g front and 6g in the back. It’s just that they are both red.
Ian Fraser thanks, keep up the great vids..
Dr. Ian strikes again!!! Love the info and presentation!!!
guys 115 to 120 club head speed spinning driver at 6000 changed ball to avx great still need lower spin thinking about tensi white or blue or even flow white or black 70 x in mizuno st driver what you think only need another 1000 revs drop and im dailed in ? should my fairways be x flex to
Ross Wayne Driver at 6000??? 😳
yes ian ben ross veo r kuro silver 60 stiff 6000 on gc quad @@ianfrasergolf
GC quad must be broken and giving out errorneous data. 6000 spin on a driver at 115-120 chs would give you like 200yd total distance lol That being said, fairway wood and hybrid shafts are heavier than your driver shaft as a progression, so wouldn’t always need to match stiffness as far as flex went. An 80g stiff could feel stouter than a 70g X Flex trust me (ex club fitter, Long Drive competitor). Get out and experiment with the equipment if you can, that’s always gonna be your best bet
Unless you have a 25 or 30 degree driver head, it's virtually impossible to get that kind of spin off a standard driver loft. Machine is not accurate.
@@johnnypenso9574 well it is the truth thats what it was swear on my girls life no bs
Can you recommend an affordable high/mid launch shaft that pairs well with the sim ti 3 wood?
Great content gentlemen! I'll be honest...you have educated me to the point where I'm disappointed with the average fitter in my area. I'm at the point where I'm contemplating renting 6 shafts or so and going to my local sim and just pick the best performer. If I can dial the head in to get my desired launch; selecting a shaft that feels the best and I time well, without sacrificing ball speeds may just be my best course of action? I recently tried an Atmos Black and was hitting it super solidly centering it almost every swing...Its low launch selling point steered me away? Tensei Orange, Atmos Black and Tour AD IZ are a definite 3 I'll be testing in the next week. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.
Can a shaft influence how you swing? Would you ever consider this in a fitting? I feel that some people may adapt to the shaft and not let the shaft work for their natural action.
Deang97 absolutely it will.
I live in SC and an looking for a club fitter that has the selection of shafts similar to you. Do you have any recommendations of where to go to find a quality club fitter?? Hitting my 7 degree SIM a mile to high....
One of your best videos!
I think it was Mark Crossfield testing the F9 and found that high toe lost a lot of ball speed. Have you found that?
bkirkwd52 I did speak to Mark about that. I don’t think we’ve seen worse results with F9 than other heads when struck in the toe.
And first time ever fitted . Thanks for advice . Could not believe difference in shafts . Could not hit modus 105 r but pured kbs 90 a tour
Great stuff as usual, fellas. I can hit most shafts decently after a couple of swings (40+ year groove and moderate swing speed...) BUT when one doesn't work, it is obvious. Most recently the Project X LZ handcrafted... I was prepared for glory and... Nightmare
I absolutely love your channel. It’s probably been addressed but load and release are also important variables. I hit low launch iron and wood shafts high and high launch, soft shafts lower. I’ve consistently shoot mid to high 70’s with clubs as customized as possible from a highly respected fitter and lab. My lowest 2 scores came from borrowing my friends clubs on a trip using clubs that were completely different profiles in weight, flex, profile, loft, lie and swing weight. Shot two 71’s.
I hate marketers. So you're saying.....get fit. I was fit at modern golf in Vancouver and we decided on the mizuno 850 forged. Because my equipment is majorly adjusted (I'm 6'7") I've learned to order a single trail club, in this case a 6 iron. It felt nothing like the one I was fitted for, no idea why but it was unplayable for me. That's like 2-3 years ago and I'm still looking, I've got a spare 6 iron and 4 spare 7 irons if anyone needs one😩
Noticing a lot more forearm rotation in your takeaway, Matt. Slightly faster tempo too? What are you going for? Looks great, of course.
Your golf swing is crazy sick! Why are you not on tour!
Another Great Video, for guys like me always tinkering with shafts, swing and bag set-Ups, exactly what i needed to hear.
I learn so much watching you guys. Would love to come for a fit, but my swing is pure shite right now. I need to commit and put in the time for my swing changes. I might still come to TO to treat you guys to some Rodney's, especially if your Raptors actually do something
Can you do a video comparing swing weight vs actual weight. My fitting yielded a HEAVIER shaft with a LIGHTER swingweight... so the feeling was that my swing was faster and overall felt lighter... yet my dispersion was about 3 yards better and gained more distance. With MORE OVERALL WEIGHT!! TXG you guys are amazing!!!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽⛳🏌🏿♂️
Just fitted for Mizuno clubs . Only prob was launch higish 7 iron 20 deg and spin lowish 5000 swing speed 78 mph . Will angle of attack raise spin and lower launch or go non pen shaft . Or can ball alter . 95 % center strike
Hi there guys do you spine or flow your shafts
Brilliant stuff Ian 👏
I love videos like this! Keep it coming
16:30....best idiot proof explanation of shaft timing I’ve heard from anyone. Great video guys.
Another great video from you guys. How often does a certain swing type suit a certain ei profile? For example, someone who hits down on it suiting a softer tip and someone who hits up on it a lot suiting a stiffer tip. And how often is there complete curve balls to those findings?
I have the Tour AD IZ, must admit struggling to time it and get a consistent strike
Testing a Tour AD IZ-6 in S and X in a couple days if I like it maybe I'll take it off your hands?
@@duanemari11 where r u based?
Craig Berry Virginia
@@duanemari11 northern Ireland lol
Craig Berry lol! Have Rory bring it with him on his next trip over the pond!
Love the channel and all of the content you guys put out. Fun to watch and actually learn a few things along the way! Was curious what you guys know about Veylix shafts. Have been fitted 3 times for the Rome 688. Twice in drivers and once in a 5wood. Tried looking at the main page of Veylix for information on the shaft but there is very little to be had.
Am I correct in thinking a stiff tip suits Matt and not a soft tip which seems to me to pliable for him. He has much better control with a harder or stiffer tip methinks. I may be completely wrong. Also Matt himself immediately felt more comfortable with the lower launch version of the shaft. He is an awesome striker of a golf ball. I would appreciate some comments on my thoughts. Once again an absolutely fascinating and great insight into shafts from Ian. Incidentally I would be interested in the difference in torque between the two shafts.
Are you gaming the f9 or the ping mat
Nick Millar he hasn’t decided yet Nick.
Ian Fraser me either. I bought the f9, m5, and epic. Still deciding
Nick Millar I’d grab a few more. You should really have 7-10 different brands when deciding
Shawn Allen I have the r1,r11, m1 2016, m1 2017, 2017 epic, m3, m2 , that I still play. And all 3,5and hybrids that go with them.
Nick Millar awesome. You must use a huge golf bag.....
What's the advantages or disadvantages of stiff butt or soft butt shaft and the same thing with stiff tip or soft tip shaft.what are the feel characteristics.
Aaron Mccardie it’s all about having energy where you need it and stability where you need it.
Great video guys 👏. Subbed immediately. Can u do a video next where you talk about shaft torque. I've heard opposite explanations by guys in the industry that say 1: torque has an impact on shot disparity during mishits and 2: torque does absolutely nothing except make a driver feel more "boardy"...
I would imagine that torque (along with other variables, ex: bulge and roll) can somehow interact with horizontal gear effect in either a positive or negative way depending on any swing.. but I would really love a statistical based explanation of what exactly torque does to a swing, all other variables held equal.. if it does anything at all... Thanks in advance if you consider this idea..
I noticed the new Lamkin Sonar grips on a lot of the shafts Matt has been testing... Curious about any comments/feedback on those?
Is it bad for a slower swing to use stiff shafts? I'm around 90mph.
Love the vid almost as much as Ian's shirt.
Another great video. Could you all do the same test with steel iron shafts from say dynamic gold?
Hi Team TXG massive fan all the way from South Africa and was hoping you could potentially explain what the difference shaft weight would do for the same bend profile. I recently purchased a Ping G410 Plus driver and G410 3 hybrid and both fittings were pretty easy to slot down with the stock Ping Tour 65 Stiff in the driver and the Ping Tour 85 Stiff for the Hybrid. The fairway wood however is posing a bit more of a problem as I did struggle with the Ping Tour 75 Stiff shaft in terms of dispersion which I am sure is also linked to my swing mechanics but was wondering what difference the Ping Tour 65 Stiff shaft would do on the fairway wood compared to the 75.
Finally got round to viewing this video. Thank you! Is there a way of categorising the heads high spin low spin and lofts for speeds at certain AoA ? Also hints on tips that could help optimise AoA ?
Great stuff guys 👍 looks like Matt is starting to eliminate the right side of the fairway, at least in this video.
What weight where in the f9 looks like 2 red ?
Ian Bowley 14g front 6g in the back.
Apart from adding weight what does the added weight do the the characteristics of the head. Does it still promote lower spin with increased CG?
Ian Bowley not really Ian, you need a lot more than the 4grams we used here to relocate CG location.
@@ianfrasergolf so what benefits using the 6g over the 2g. Have u tried 18 and 6. And does the different weights have any effects on ball flight. ?
Excellent video I watch all your videos and they are very informative I also notice if I swing a regular shaft that's too soft I usually push the ball not hook it interesting now I'm kind of understanding why I do much better with a heavier stiffer shaft even though my club head speeds about 103 with a driver but I have a very quick Tempo at the bottom of my swing with my hands I've experimented my whole life to try to find what works heavier and slightly stiffer works better for me my hybrid shafts are 80 gram stiff I hit that much straighter than a 65 gram lighter regular
Hi guys I love the content, I’m gaming the st190 with the atmos 6s shaft and it’s performing well but the launch could be lower, with the atmos black 6 and 7 tour being so expensive, what other low launch shafts can be mixed with the Mizuno?
Awesome boys thanks so much!!! Who woulda guessed they were so similiar...
My question is, if you take 4 or 5 shafts with the same ei curves, regardless of make/model, can Matt get the same results with any of these shafts? I guess I should add, what's the chances of any two shafts from different manufactures or even models from the same manufacturer having the same ei curve?
walter shaft manufacturers will often produce similar EI curves. Depends on other design characteristics how similar they truly are.
Ah, so just having similar ei curves doesn't mean they'll perform the same then. But I thought that was whole idea of going to an ei curve based system for shafts.
ive been trying a few new drivers lately now while im not as good as matty even i can see a massive difference in shaft performance
How is your club speed 122mph when it looks so slow?
Nice video always so helpful
Would testing not be the most consistent off a robot? Cheers. Love the channel.
TheBrownViking not if you want to test how different shaft profiles work differently for different players. Influencing the timing of golfer to create better timing is the key to shaft fitting. Unfortunately you can’t influence a robot so it doesn’t teach you much.
If you have an extra robot kicking around I’m sure they would take it 🤦♂️
@@gearbox1858 a robot would keep all variables equal, and would offer far more controls in an experiment of this type. PING uses one, they must have no idea what they are doing. :-)
TheBrownViking no shit Sherlock. Do you have any idea how much they cost? TXG’s business is custom fitting humans...not robots. Geez...give me ur PayPal address so I can send you some money so you can go buy a clue....
As always very good video.
What an awesome vlog,, keep up the great work 😉🏌️⛳️🍻
Absolutely love this test and video thank you 🙏 ❤
It would be really interesting on these shaft nerd out videos if there was a high-speed camera capturing the shafts and head through the swing from take away to end of the follow through.
So in "Theory" and I know I need to dial it in more, but I struggle with a push/fade with my Driver and it could be the Sim Head I have and I've recently hit the Sim2 Max which is more forgiving with better results overall to me, but I still push it when I miss. Not as much as with the Sim2 Max as apposed to the Original Sim.
Same shafts as I have 2 - Should I try a S as I'm in a Project X, R - there very light shaft which is 39 gram and then a UST yellow shaft that is also R - Proforce V2 6 and , my club head speed is 95-105max.
I'm a feel player. It's all about feeling the head and timing. With my Irons I use the Nippon 950's R and I love them, but that's with my Irons ;) I have a quick tempo into the ball...so I take it back slower to the top and fire through. Again I know I need to dial it in, but can you give me some options to start with to go hit.
I just want to stay in the short grass more. I can scramble, but want to be more consistent. SORRY for the rant...THANKS IN ADVANCE! ;)
LOVE YOUR WORK!!!
Awesome,,,,,,,,
I did how ever see the tensei orange launch high compared to the blue and spun too high for me when there claim in high launch low spin. Not for me as it spun too high as well.
The blue was a fantastic flight and perfect numbers for me.
Brilliant again guys and always on the Ball ⛳🏌️♂️
another interesting video. thanks for discussing the EI curve!!
Great Video guys. Very interesting stuff that nobody else is really doing. I need to get a better fitter.