Razor Honing on Soft Japanese Natural Stones Whetstones (JNATs) Aiiwatani Tomae Namito Ohira Suita
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I’ve just discovered this site a few weeks ago…and you’ve quadrupled my whetstone knowledge…10X (made up #’s) for JNAT. This is like someone with a sweet tooth stumbling upon an extraordinary bakery. Thank you.
Glad I could help!
@@naturalwhetstones …BTW, I’m expecting delivery any day now of two (Aframes) JNAT you’ve helped refine the buying decision.
@@edwardrutledge2765 Great! Hoping they work out well for your needs Ed!
@@naturalwhetstones …just arrived early 08/20…so far so good. They look terrific. Question; how do you store a JNAT after use? Dry thoroughly…wrap…not wrap…?
Thanks. Appreciate the source information
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just used my Nakayama Awasedo Shohonyama for the first time last week and was finally able to get my mirror polish.
It's my first jnat and I am in love with the velvety grip.
It is such a pleasure to use.
I have some Belgians and now my first jnat, but I think I want to start getting more.
I probably have more use for medium refining and finishing, even though the synthetic low grit stone I have feels gross to use.
It's like I'm scratching my knife against the sidewalk and hoping it'll help it somehow.
Is the velvety feel a typical jnat characteristic?
Why do you say the Green and Black Shadow are not ideal for knives but are good for razors?
What's the difference between knives and razors that you differentiate them altogether?
Another great video, thank you!
You actually bring up a very interesting topic of discussion regarding the use of soft stones. Some people are really sure to this day that soft stones are much better than hard ones and that the Japanese are chasing soft stones, it seems to me that these people are like a sect :) I can tell you from personal experience that I bought a lot of stones from sales from old Japanese hairdressers and they were mostly hard stones, some of them had a maruk print and a saddle-shaped working, but there were also fairly even, almost perfect stones (it was clear that the stones were quite old) this is a bit different from what you said. I can also say that finding a soft stone with a high grid content is much more difficult than a hard one, although they come across from time to time.
Hey Dan, I'm sure with how many different barber shops there are/was in Japan it is difficult to draw a broad answer for all of them. What was happening at the time I made the video is a lot of "old barber" stones had gone up on Buyee or other auction sites with people getting them and being surprised by how soft they are. I generally agree with what you said that, if I am chasing a fine stone I would shoot for something harder to increase the statistical probability I walk away with what I wanted - and I give people the same advise. That doesn't particularly help though if you have one of these softer stones "for razors" as they have to be used a little differently.
I agree as well, it is a pretty polarizing topic regarding hard/soft stones!
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Do you know about Masamotoyama Nakiryumyaku Kyoto?
I see a stone with that label in Japanese but I think the seller doesn't know what it is, and I don't see that word on your site, which is super helpful otherwise.
There is a lot of mistranslation in there. Masamotoyama is a mistranslation of Sho-honyama. Guessing the second one is a mistranslation of Narutaki, the Kyoto area.
@@naturalwhetstones wow, thank you
For the next time when comparing stones you could polish different sections of the knife with different stones to show the difference more clearly.
Great video.
Thanks for sharing this information
That often doesn't work out as well as I would like, I have done it before but it is possible. if I am comparing two I would usually do different sides and flip the knife over to compare.
I will consider adding it in the future!
Problem beeing people nowadays think they can finish on a fine grid stone, but in reality you need to go to the paste strop, not much but just to give the cutting edge it´s final polish. For shure you can shave from the stone straight, but it will never be comfortable. I have done it my self, my stones are fine enough and everything, no need to fiddl hours and hours on the stone for nothing. Barbers did it in the past and they did it for a reason. You wanna nice shave, give the razor a light touch on the cromiumoxid strop (with tape on the spine maybe) and you are good to go!
I always suggest people *try* to shave off the stone just to see the edge it leaves when they are first learning - but I never recommend it as the right way to finish. I would always hit the strop afterwards and wasn't trying to say that you should not in the video (hopefully I did not accidentally imply that). I was more focused on just showing the slurry method of use for the finishing stone "step", just as I didn't cover bevel setting/prefinish/etc.
I will usually tell people if they want to get really good on the stone to avoid paste at first and work to get a really great edge off just the stone and a leather strop. That setup will show you any faults in your technique, as the paste is in some ways kind of fool proof and may hide some bad habits during the honing process.
If you can get a wicked edge without paste, and then you add paste back in, you will not only have the best edge possible but be able to really identify how you want it to *feel* from there, having conquered the proper methods to getting to a maximum level of keen.
Just my two cents at least. :)
@@naturalwhetstones Nothing to add, no you didn´t imply "that". Good you answeard in that manner. It´s the way to go! Greetings
personally its enough for me to take the final whetstone slurry, wipe it on my palm and then use the palm strop method.
but I do have a stone that finishes fine enough that a strop makes no difference, the important part is that as you work your way up the grits, that you really did get rid of all the marks of the previous whetstone.
@@thedazzlingape2006 Yeah every stone is going to impact the apex a little differently, and that isn't taking into account how each razor will reach uniquely with different tempering and metals. Trial and error is the key for sure. I think the majority of stones though, especially softer ones, benefit from post-stone stropping.
@@thedazzlingape2006 Why would you do that? I can imagine, in a hurry without strops at hand, thats a smart move, but... Shure, we should make our progression in the way that no previous marks are under the finishers, no question about it. Propper sharpening must be provided. I think we all have got a fine enough stone sooner or later. I know it´s gives some romantic feeling shaving without the use of other abrassives. And someone would ask him self why shuold I progress so far when the edge is an artifcial (paste) in the end. Answear would be, comfourt. At least for me, and I don´t have a strong beard at all. It took some time and a few stones to make this sacrifice.
Between Shobudani tomae, aiwatani tomae and iromono which is easier to use in your opinion?
It doesn't really work like your question suggests.
First, the "Iromono" term is not a mine but instead a color of the stone - usually mixing of multiple bright colors like red/purple/orange/etc. Iromono stones have no quality innately besides the coloring - there can be soft/hard/coarser/finer Iromono stones. For instance, many Tomae stones are Iromono coloring - making the question you posed even more confused.
Shoubudani and Aiiwatani are obviously two different mines, but each stone from the different mines are unto themselves. Not all Shoubu stones or all Aiiwatani stones have the same qualities about them - each stone must be evaluated on it's own.
We can draw inferences of the mines at a level where you were reaching into a random box full of many different Shoubu stones, and many different Aiiwatani stones, and say probabilities. Shoubu is likely to be softer (compared to the Aiiwatani), Aiiwatani harder and finer. Aiiwatani is more likely to have an inclusion than Shoubu if you are grabbing a random stone from a box of them.
However, you are almost never just reaching into a random box of raw stone - you are looking at a stone a vendor is offering or someone else has and evaluating. The stone has been finished and you can see details. You can get idea of hardness and fineness, etc. As such - stones are to be compared by those qualities and not the mine they come from.
I very much like Aiiwatani stones, I think they are good for the money because the Aiiwatani mine name does not carry any increase in value to it. Shoubu/Nakayama/Okudo/Shinden for example often get marked up some by nature of just having a famous named attached to it. All mines can produce equally good stones, but the statistical probability that you get a really good stone from a random selection of stock from the mine is usually where the reputation came from. Because we are never dealing in that manner now adays - it is not as useful to take these reputations into full account broadly.
@@naturalwhetstones I am a sushi chef recently really got into sharpening knife. The one that I saw is Nakayama iromono...I think I would get the aiwatani...do you it is worth the pay extra buck for a smaller suita than getting a tomae... thanks for your reply
@@bidin5253 I would need to see the stones to let you know. Generally speaking I actually think more people will be happier with Tomae stone - but I need to see them still. Shoot me a message here so I can get more details to help: naturalwhetstones.com/contact-me/
@@naturalwhetstones cannot put pictures there...do you have Facebook or Instagram that I can follow
@@bidin5253 Once you shoot me a message on the contact form it will create an email chain between us. Just wait for my reply and you can do it that way please.