Been waiting years for this bike. Street legal, light enough, capable enough off road and finally efi. no more jet tuning when leaving home at sea level, to ride mtn passes at 13000 ft. 6 speed would have been icing on the cake but im beyond pleased with this update. Hopefully ditching the added exhaust eqt and a tune will help offset the hp loss and added weight..
Exactly dood. 6 spd would have been dope but I’ve been on the fence about getting a DRZ. This one with efi, gear indicator, slipper and ride by wire means aftermarket cruise control possibly!
Well, no Euro5+, ABS, TCS and other regulation sheet on your DRZ. Only the above is maybe more than 15lbs. Add 10lbs for the starter. I prefer raw bikes as well. But Bosch wants to sell millions of ABS units and planet must by saved from nothing.
@@jl4091 I think we have a similar bike.. mine is 2001 400e, full yoshimura, deceleration enriching circuit deleted, and jetted. Non essential plastic pulled off, Baja street kit.. suspension spring & valve. The bike is absolutely sublime, every time I ride it I’m just stunned with how good it is. 24 years old in a month🤘
He's mostly addressing the USA market where it's never stopped selling. I live in the UK and curious if this new model will retail here. The DRZ supermoto has always been one of my favourite bikes but somehow I've still not even riden one
I have owned several DRZ's over the last 20 years. Currently have a 2011 S. And had DR350's before that back in the 1990's, even they had six speeds. Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model and gave it a six speed. I'll keep my well worn 2011 for a while longer 😊
Not sure what you mean by "Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model." The Current DR-Z is 398cc. the new DR-Z4S is also 398cc.
@@salazam haha ur right, its wierd. I also realized that wikipedia and other sources have the whp listed as bhp. It really did lose 2hp. But seems like it gained 20mpg. Good for adv conversions and extended range at least.
@@salazam im just happy i can finally convert a dual sport to a lightweight adv bike. Thats all im looking to do. Just need to make sure the wide ratio 5spd rumors are true. Otherwise can always save some money and spend $2.5k on an aftermarket ACT wide ratio gearset. Efi conversion on the old drz was a more complex project.
I'm anxious to see if we can get 45+ HP out of it with exhaust, intake, tune! I was gonna get the Triumph Scrambler 400 but the Grey DRZ4S is sick and they upgraded a lot more than I expected!
Well, The numbers dont sound appealing, but I wait to see how it adds up. Looks good.. i mostly care about the suspension and chassis feel. Thats really what this thing is all about. Still a sweet bike!!
The drz400 has not been available in my country for about 15 years, so its great to have it back even without a sixth gear. It is probably still more fun than a crf300l
It seems alot of people don't understand horsepower numbers. The outgoing drz400s sold in the US was rated at 39 horsepower at the crank, and that was by Suzuki. Dirt rider magazine ran several on the dyno and got right around 32 horsepower at the rear wheel. This new bike is rated at 37 or 38 horsepower at the crank so it will probably make around 30-31 hp at the rear wheel.
I'm buying one. There's nothing wrong with the '02 DRZ that I've had since 2006, I just want one that's fuel injected so I can ride it from sea level to 13,000' and not have to mess with carb rejetting.
@@NoName-c4y7h Nowhere in one ride. I live at about 2200' and often will ride up to about 6500' on a regular basis. Sometimes I will get as high as 7000' in a normal year. I took my DRZ to SIlverton, Colorado back in 2010 (on a trailer, with a Jeep also on the trailer) and the DRZ was useless above 9000' elevation. Silverton is about 9000' and the riding in the area tops out at 13k or higher.
@@realthing66 really? I currently have Dr.Z and a V-max. I've never had a problem with any of the carbs. Ever. The V-max has eight carbs and 75000+ miles with zero problems.
Be interested to see how the new gearing is improved. Miss my old drz sm and personally always liked the 90's looking headlight (with LED bulb). Once all the components are available perhaps an efi conversion for the old bikes. Biggest annoyance with the old drz is highway riding and the ritual to check oil 😂
I was really excited to see this bike get updated, but waiting until May for the supermoto puts a damper on things. If the price can stay under 8500 I'll probably still get one and just ride an old one until it comes out
I'm sort of happy about the five speed, means they can't go crazy on the price if they expect to sell any. I live in mountains between 5500 to 12000 all within a half hour, EFI matters more in my case.
People talk about this a lot, and your spread is a bit more, but I've not noticed an issue as I range from 4,500' to 9,700' tooling around the mountains in my area with the stock carb and no mods. Same on my TW. Was this more of a thing for much older bikes, or for going from sea level to 10k, or maybe I'd notice it if I were going up another 1k feet?
Because its not needed. At 37hp having 6 gears just means a super close ratio trans. On a street bike that results in just having to shift all the time and lots of short shifting and skipping gears. Iv had both an xr400sm(JDM) that is similar power and 5 speed and a DR350SE that made similar power and was a 6 speed. The 5 speed is way nicer to ride most of the time if the ratios are set right.
6 speed would require an entirely brand new engine, which would make the bike cost even more. As long as the gear ratios are good it isn't the huge issue people on the internet will make it out to be.
I got so stoked seeing the headline... only to be bummed out. I will stay with my old 2012 KTM 350 EXCF SM, fuel injected 47hp, 240lbs. I still prefer the ride quality of the old DRZ400-SM but it was just too slow.
It was already a pork chop, now it's gained another 20 pounds? I was excited until I heard that. These new updated versions of older machines keep gaining weight.....like my 2020 KLX300R which is a porky 280 pounds. The old carb version of the KLX was only 245. When you are in an exhausting ride and u lay one down that extra weight makes a huge difference picking it up and getting going again.
I take my 05 Drz from sealevel to 4500ft all day and ive never once thought the carb was holding me back. Im gonna guess its gonna have flameout issues like the crf450rl and be jumpy off idle because the idle mixture has to be crazy lean to meet emissions.
Yea like others have stated. Weight up, power down, no 6th gear and higher price. I was thinking about getting one, now I might try to catch a deal on a 24 model, especially since there are tons of aftermarket parts for it and probably none for the new bike. I will add that in a year or two there will probably be a programmer for the new bike so might actually make a little more power than the older models then idk.
I guess.... my 2002 DRZE still runs strong...hard to keep up with the jones.....I would rather just own a bike that starts and doesn't break down and has parts when needed..that kind of thing. To each their own in the end....I am a championed enduro rider, veteran now, and my current single track rides are simply great, I am not going to complain....some people can only dream about this type of regular activity. Cost for me owning this bike...lets see...$5000 new, divided by 22 years...well thats $20/month plus wear and tear items......bargain...Still hasn't left me stranded, not once.....and the carb has never been removed or needed to be removed for any reason...runs like a top. Lets face it...its still a DR....5 speed. medium power. affordable...reliable. cult status.
There are a lot of comments whining, completely missing the point of internationalizing the model to keep up with times. Of course some sacrifices will be made, some old feature kept, and additional features tacked on to milk new system (ECU + TBW). While the Americans are whining, Europeans and Australians are kneeling that they FINALLY can get one.
Well, good news for sure....I just changed the oil on my 2002 street legalized (here in Canada) DRZE400, with kick starter option...since new. Ya I have a T7 for a few years now, but hey, single tracking in the B.C. forests on a new set of Pirellis Mt90 trials tires, and geared stock (top speed 95km/hr). What can I say, I veteran rider, championed on a 1983 PE175 back in the day, instructed etc. The DRZE has proven itself as a model line, I would take one around the world...if I could. The DRZE with bigger carb, header, lower gearing, plastic tank etc...is a true enduro bike, by my defintion and era.. The new DRZ4 looks fine fine fine....now how do I fit a DE800 and a new DRZ4 into my stable....Equally loyal to my Yamahas, and my T7 has become part of me as I nearly enter my 60's. I have always known I have been living through the great motorcycle engineering years...gasoline versions. Wish I was younger.....22 years on one bike...that is incredible engineering....and yes..I ride, I wear out tires.....and change the oil a lot.....hence the long life.......Great review....great time to be a motorcyclist.
If the most exciting part of the new bike, is that you can fully turn the new mods off (abs) then im fine with my 2000, had to check my ins. Card for the year, bad ass bike
"waiting for a more modern 6 speed" the first production bike with a 6 speed was the 1965 suzuki hustler 250cc. die hard drz400 fans are happy with a stronger more reliable 5 speed and would be happy if it was just a slightly wider spread. we also know that you cant just add an extra gear on top without making the engine unnecessarily large. die hard drz owners are completely unconcerned about efi, especially the australian drz400E owners that have the fcr39mm 48hp and 29.5lb/ft of torque and a bike that weighs 15kg less.
Interesting!! I'm hanging on to my 2014. I think all the new goodies won't wow me enuff to change. However if I live in the mountains and was dealing with jet changes I would think differently
They are filling a void in the modern market of supermoto/dual sports with this. The 300cc bikes are too underpowered and the 500-700cc bikes are too expensive. However, It would’ve been nice to see a bump in power from the older version. I love mine and will definitely be keeping it. The modern features aren’t enough to switch. I do think this bike will probably sell well if the price is reasonable
It's between this and the KTM 390 for me. I currently own a 390 Adventure, spoked wheel version and i am not thrilled by the thought of less Hp and -1 gear but then again, the Suzuki should be better built and easier to maintain (like ONE oil filter etc :))
Aww no need for the self-flagellation bud! We like you too! At least I do, I came to see you to distract from tonight's hoopla. So thanks for sharing your smile 😉 - as for the bike I'm not a dirt bike guy
That's comparing oranges to apples , Suzuki is a quality manufacturer , no comparison with china manufacturing ktmthings bike Whistles and bells may read better on the china bike
If fifth gear is a true highway overdrive, a five-speed is just fine. But, yeah. No 6th is a bit of a bummer. My guess is that the reduced top end power is compensated for by flatter power delivery across the RPM range, something easily achievable with fuel injection. But we’ll see. Everything else sounds great, and it looks fantastic. And ride by wire? Can you say, cruise control? 😃
Less power (my DR-Z has 50hp), more wight, more complicated mechanics/electronics? And still 5 speed? Well, I think I will take good care of my old DR-Z 400 and stockpile spare parts for the years to come (I allready started) and hopefully it will last until I am too old to drive. Fortunately, I dont have to care if it is street legal - here in Cairo nearly every bike is street legal.
The emissions BS is ridiculous. Motorcycles are not the problem. Factories in the emeging countries are the issue. I have owned 3 drzs. I will get one of these as well.
Not sure why the only 5 gears is such a problem it's the final ratio that counts not the amount of changes You make . I see this being a better option than the CRF 300 Pogo stick and far far better suited to trail riding than the " Unicorn " CFmoto MT450
So they did a little bit of upgrades to the head in the EFI but I bought you the bottom end is still the same and they probably didn't get the wide gear ratio like everybody always does
Finally did what? Without a 6 speed, it's effectively the same bike. Might as well buy a 2001. And 2 fewer HP, that you have to rev higher to reach??? FAIL
@@DirtChainy Yeah, that's fair. And tbh, I don't know if they've changed the gear ratios. A 6-7% increase in the spread would make a big difference on the highway, while still keeping them (the lower 3 anyway) close enough to be useful on the trail.
@DirtChainy they would have me turned it for sure, hey. Sadly, Suzuki has been making their bikes worse, not better for years now. Their only selling point was cheaper prices but I can bet this will cost more than the last one.
Looks like the S model got the same upside down forks as the SM. Looks like most changes are to make it legal in EU. FI and ABS are nice additions. TC is meh. But basically this is the same bike it has always been. If they price it well it should sell atleast as well as the previous, and these changes should allow it to sell in more markets. Not really competitive with the KTM or husky bikes but still more bike than the Kaw or Honda 300 .
for sure. i owned a 300 rally. it was a good bike but it was an underpowered pork chop. this bike honestly doesn’t seem bad. i absolutely hate maintaining carbed bikes
The drz400s made 28-31 horsepower anytime anyone actually put it on the dyno. Im not sure if the 39 was just legend, I suspect it likely came from the offline only 400e horsepower at the crank. This shoudl be a sizeable power increase.
Wonder how it will run without a catalyst, plus an open exhaust and air filter, paired with an ECY remap. Should we see more than 43HP+ (crank) at the top end? If the price is fair, despite the useless electronics, it may be a very nice general use bike. Wonder if they added any balancing shafts and so on for vibrations.
How in the frig did they make it heavier?? My plated 400e lightly modified is only 270lbs.. and that’s with the big clunky shocks & headlight.. AGM battery.
@@qtf897 Euro5+ emission rules which dictate a catalyst plus evaporation canister and SAS kit. This also means lean fuel and lower HP. Then you have ABS and TCS added, also due to regulations, for the former at least. All the above is at least 5 or more kilos extra. Thank god they did not go with the A2 license as well, which would mean minimum 175Kg for the bike when wet.
@ stripped of all non-essential BS it could be a pretty awesome bike, hopefully the ethos of Suzuki historically will pull through and it’ll be easy to flash and mod. If a full emissions delete is possible with an exhaust, couple port plugs, and a flash.. this bike could be unreal if it landed under 300lbs and + 7-10hp.
Hopefully they gave it a better seat, which the stock one is terrible for comfort. Honestly i love my DRZ but its a bit primitive….Needed a lot of changes to make it right, but at least its reliable…
Something doesn’t add up when you say it makes the same peak torque but higher up the rev range, but the peak hp is down. Unless it drops off a torque cliff beyond peak, that’s pretty unlikely.
I will be keeping my older SM. Doesn't need more weight, and less power. Really don't want ABS at all, and maps for riding. Mine is highly modified with much more power. Y'all can keep the electronics. Just saying.
Yeah wright goes up, power down, 5 speed still, and traction control on a bike that doesn’t even make 40 hp? I had two DRZ-400’s with one having a full FMF titanium exhaust and a Dynojet Stage One jet kit and it was okay on power but not great. The second one I had was a totally stock 400S too and to hear they went down on power and up in weight is so disheartening. What are you thinking Suzuki?
What if I wanted to buy the Dual Sport model but still wanted to ride it on the road like a Super Moto? Would that be a huge difference in performance?
In the corners... yes. Huge. But the S will still be fun in the twisties. You could probably throw some pirelli scorpions on it and it would still rail pretty decent though.
@@trevor2830 One problem with 21" on the road is quality of tyres, their geometry, warmup time and rubber stickiness. You will not find tyres for fast road use. I did 7000km, all supermoto style on my KLX 250S this summer. The tyres became triangular. Metzeler Tourance. At the beginning they would hold ok-ish but after many cycles they started cracking. They were always funny when riding on the edge, which they easily reach, but the biggest problem was that traction diminished very quickly and warmup was subpar. Radial behaviour was inexistent as well, which is a much in higher lean angles. I had the fun of my life going 70km/h fully leaned having both tyres drfting at the same time (on less ideal tarmac), but with street tyres i would have extra leaning angle left and much better feel at the end of traction. It is not something that you cannot do, but if supermoto is your thing, go for 17" rims. I also had a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere at night time, it was not fun. So always carry a fast, especially when running tubes. Best thing is to have fun with whatever you happen to ride. 21" gives you the opportunity to drive more reckless, ie. you approach a change from tarmac to dirt road with an obvious step and 100 km/h, with 17" you brake, with 21" you... accelerate!
I certainly don't see the value in upgrading yet. Let suzuki and tuners work this new bike out for a while and then we'll see. Fuel injection is great but so is the carburetion out of a DRZ with a 3x3 mod and a jet kit. Less power, more weight, more cash in exchange for ABS and fuel injection. Drive modes and traction control are pointless when you have 36hp lol.
Wtf @ no 6 speed, owned a drz400s a long time ago but i gave up on suzuki and switched to a ktm 690. Would just buy a crf450rl or 350exc if i wanted smaller displacement.
Heavier, less power, higher revs to get the power, same ol' 5 speed, certainly far higher price, TC & ride-modes on a 40HP bike??? fail in my opinion. i'll keep my 2015.
I think one of the things that's telling with this bike is that they were trying to reuse lots of the old bikes design, that way they wouldn't have to re-tool. So while it will be higher, I think it's going to be around 7500-8500. I think that's one reason they kept the 5 speed. They can change the gear ratios without really re-tooling, and that keeps costs low. While that's disappointing, really the only reason people want a 6sp is for interstate, which can be fixed with better 4 and 5th ratios. The extra weight is from emissions, which can be removed. I think the exhaust is insanely heavy looking as well. Wait and see, I think it's gonna be sick. As for the TC, ride modes, ABS, these are obviously add-ons to comply with markets outside the US. Outside of KTM, Ducati, and other specific niche bikes there isn't really much left like this in like Euro5+ countries. It's a game changer in the market for sure, can't wait to see it in reviews. That being said, I don't think anyone would complain if they kept both models in the US. And hey, maybe give the dr650 an upgrade while keeping the old model too.
Less power, Same number of gears, little bit of tech. Not impressed😊 whatsoever and this was my go-to bike until I got the supermoto idea out of my head and bought a Honda XR650L. Eventually I'll get a set of supermoto wheels for my Honda. Anything over 70 mph with these tires it came with it's pretty squirrely
Had the same idea and changed to a dr650 and had some street wheels made for it. It's a slightly more grown up version of the drz sm I started on but feels more like a motorcycle not so much a toy
So It got less horsepower and more weight 🥴 I mean the fuel injection is nice, new plastics are ok, I still like the old DRZ has a nice classic look now lol I think the new one looks like you’re trying to make an old one modern now, when I see guys try to update their old DRZ kinda looks like the this new bike lmaoo
Heaver, less power, no 6th gear, smaller 2.3gal gas tank and more electronics to fail. I do not think it will do well when it. I have a 2017 DR Z 400s and I will not upgrade to a less powerful unproven design. If I wanted a heaver bike with more electronics I would just get a KTM 690.
5 speed REALLY hamstrings this bike. Trails are getting further away and a 6th gear would make those long roads runs much more relaxed. It's a deal breaker for me.
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Been waiting years for this bike. Street legal, light enough, capable enough off road and finally efi. no more jet tuning when leaving home at sea level, to ride mtn passes at 13000 ft. 6 speed would have been icing on the cake but im beyond pleased with this update. Hopefully ditching the added exhaust eqt and a tune will help offset the hp loss and added weight..
Strong new contender to eventually replace my CRF250L
Exactly dood. 6 spd would have been dope but I’ve been on the fence about getting a DRZ. This one with efi, gear indicator, slipper and ride by wire means aftermarket cruise control possibly!
@@dancarlos1216 oh yeah add on cruise! Dang okay I’m gonna start saving my dollars
if they dont lock the ecu making a tune impossible that is.
@@tindalowos They are almost always cracked I would t worry
My kick start 2001 DRZ makes 41whp on a dyno and weighs 249 lbs.I guess the good old days is a real saying.
Well, no Euro5+, ABS, TCS and other regulation sheet on your DRZ. Only the above is maybe more than 15lbs. Add 10lbs for the starter. I prefer raw bikes as well. But Bosch wants to sell millions of ABS units and planet must by saved from nothing.
@@jl4091 I think we have a similar bike.. mine is 2001 400e, full yoshimura, deceleration enriching circuit deleted, and jetted. Non essential plastic pulled off, Baja street kit.. suspension spring & valve.
The bike is absolutely sublime, every time I ride it I’m just stunned with how good it is. 24 years old in a month🤘
I used to shake my head at old dudes who said 'they dont make things like they used to' now that I'm an old dude and say the same.
It's fuel injected so easy to tune. Pipe and flash it'll get a different beast. Lol smh
You're entirely mising the fact that in many countries, the DRZ400 had simply been discontinued for over a decade.
He's mostly addressing the USA market where it's never stopped selling.
I live in the UK and curious if this new model will retail here. The DRZ supermoto has always been one of my favourite bikes but somehow I've still not even riden one
That's heartbreaking
@@wolfpackpete6408it's in the UK summer 2025. Info on Suzuki UK website 😊 Happy Days!
@@wolfpackpete6408 And Americans are whining too much whenever new bike release are not up their specification.
@victoriazero8869 that is true to an extent. Too many riders are focusing too much on spec sheets and figures instead of how a bike makes them feel
I have owned several DRZ's over the last 20 years. Currently have a 2011 S. And had DR350's before that back in the 1990's, even they had six speeds. Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model and gave it a six speed. I'll keep my well worn 2011 for a while longer 😊
Not sure what you mean by "Suzuki should have bumped up the displacement a bit to at least equal the outgoing model."
The Current DR-Z is 398cc. the new DR-Z4S is also 398cc.
@@deltabravo1257 I believe he means bore and stroke it to make up for the 2 less horsepower and 5% weight gain.
Nothing wrong with 5 speeds if they get the ratios right.
The bad news is more weight less power.
I’m excited to give it a go
@@salazam haha ur right, its wierd. I also realized that wikipedia and other sources have the whp listed as bhp. It really did lose 2hp. But seems like it gained 20mpg. Good for adv conversions and extended range at least.
@@salazam im just happy i can finally convert a dual sport to a lightweight adv bike. Thats all im looking to do. Just need to make sure the wide ratio 5spd rumors are true. Otherwise can always save some money and spend $2.5k on an aftermarket ACT wide ratio gearset. Efi conversion on the old drz was a more complex project.
I'm anxious to see if we can get 45+ HP out of it with exhaust, intake, tune! I was gonna get the Triumph Scrambler 400 but the Grey DRZ4S is sick and they upgraded a lot more than I expected!
I put a deposit on a gray one.
@@DualSportDoug They let you put a deposit down when the MSRP hasn't even been announced yet?
@@TheDfelan Yes, the dealer is taking deposits and has a waiting list going for the new DR-Z4S.
@@salazam I am not lying. I am standing.
Weight goes up, power goes down. No 6th gear? Not selling itself as improving itself.
Facts!!
Yep, major major fail!! I was always a Suzuki fanboy since the 80's, now I just scratch my head thinking wtf...
Don't understand Suzuki's thinking
Looks like its a wider ratio 5spd
Hate the weight....
Well, The numbers dont sound appealing, but I wait to see how it adds up. Looks good.. i mostly care about the suspension and chassis feel. Thats really what this thing is all about. Still a sweet bike!!
The drz400 has not been available in my country for about 15 years, so its great to have it back even without a sixth gear. It is probably still more fun than a crf300l
Crf300L is a massively underwhelming bike I bought one new like an idiot and sold it after 2 months
I'm fine with 5 speed so long as the ratios are appropriate.
The drz has been gone for over 15 year's in Europe. Im happy about this new one.
I have a 2002 DRZ and I love it. Seat really sucks after thirty minutes. So a different seat is on the horizon.
It seems alot of people don't understand horsepower numbers. The outgoing drz400s sold in the US was rated at 39 horsepower at the crank, and that was by Suzuki. Dirt rider magazine ran several on the dyno and got right around 32 horsepower at the rear wheel. This new bike is rated at 37 or 38 horsepower at the crank so it will probably make around 30-31 hp at the rear wheel.
That’s exactly what he said in the video ? It’s down 2hp
I sold my DRZ400 and got a Honda XR650L. So glad I made the change!
I'm buying one. There's nothing wrong with the '02 DRZ that I've had since 2006, I just want one that's fuel injected so I can ride it from sea level to 13,000' and not have to mess with carb rejetting.
How much did they ask for the deposit?
Where are you going from sea level, to 13k elevation?
@@NoName-c4y7h Nowhere in one ride. I live at about 2200' and often will ride up to about 6500' on a regular basis. Sometimes I will get as high as 7000' in a normal year.
I took my DRZ to SIlverton, Colorado back in 2010 (on a trailer, with a Jeep also on the trailer) and the DRZ was useless above 9000' elevation. Silverton is about 9000' and the riding in the area tops out at 13k or higher.
@@DualSportDoug I thought I was missing out on a sweet side road.😂 Thanks! 👍
@@Nowhere4u2run$500
Love it. Looks good and god I hate maintaining carbs.
@@realthing66 really? I currently have Dr.Z and a V-max. I've never had a problem with any of the carbs. Ever. The V-max has eight carbs and 75000+ miles with zero problems.
@@salazam Exactly. Bro swallowed the Fuel Injection Kool Aid.
Excellent video young man. Very well delivered.
Be interested to see how the new gearing is improved. Miss my old drz sm and personally always liked the 90's looking headlight (with LED bulb). Once all the components are available perhaps an efi conversion for the old bikes. Biggest annoyance with the old drz is highway riding and the ritual to check oil 😂
yeah I prefer the old retro style headlight (rectangle) hope there will be mods to use the old headlight plastic
@@salazam that's true probably way more trouble and expense than it's worth.. just thinking for those who have the og model and want the efi perks
It looks freaking sick
I was really excited to see this bike get updated, but waiting until May for the supermoto puts a damper on things.
If the price can stay under 8500 I'll probably still get one and just ride an old one until it comes out
I'm sort of happy about the five speed, means they can't go crazy on the price if they expect to sell any. I live in mountains between 5500 to 12000 all within a half hour, EFI matters more in my case.
People talk about this a lot, and your spread is a bit more, but I've not noticed an issue as I range from 4,500' to 9,700' tooling around the mountains in my area with the stock carb and no mods. Same on my TW. Was this more of a thing for much older bikes, or for going from sea level to 10k, or maybe I'd notice it if I were going up another 1k feet?
There must be some kind of technical or financial reason they didn't add a sixth speed. It would be interesting to know why They made that decision.
Probably a bit of both.
Because its not needed. At 37hp having 6 gears just means a super close ratio trans. On a street bike that results in just having to shift all the time and lots of short shifting and skipping gears. Iv had both an xr400sm(JDM) that is similar power and 5 speed and a DR350SE that made similar power and was a 6 speed. The 5 speed is way nicer to ride most of the time if the ratios are set right.
6 speed would require an entirely brand new engine, which would make the bike cost even more. As long as the gear ratios are good it isn't the huge issue people on the internet will make it out to be.
Because Suzuki does not care, and they are lazy. Look at all their other out of date bikes. DR, RMz, Vstrom650
@@burddog0792 I hope for a very wide ratio at least.
How big is the bump in MPG? I would hope it's pretty good, considering the slight drop in horsepower and the change to EFI
I got so stoked seeing the headline... only to be bummed out. I will stay with my old 2012 KTM 350 EXCF SM, fuel injected 47hp, 240lbs. I still prefer the ride quality of the old DRZ400-SM but it was just too slow.
I’ve been dreaming of a new model I wouldn’t be able to resist buying, to each their own but this doesn’t even tempt me and I’m a Suzuki fan.
I had one but hated the carburetor - about time Suzuki pulled their finger out their arse with this, good job!
It was already a pork chop, now it's gained another 20 pounds? I was excited until I heard that. These new updated versions of older machines keep gaining weight.....like my 2020 KLX300R which is a porky 280 pounds. The old carb version of the KLX was only 245. When you are in an exhausting ride and u lay one down that extra weight makes a huge difference picking it up and getting going again.
Weight wise, coming from a T7, I think I'll be juuuust fine 👌
And still no tach
I take my 05 Drz from sealevel to 4500ft all day and ive never once thought the carb was holding me back. Im gonna guess its gonna have flameout issues like the crf450rl and be jumpy off idle because the idle mixture has to be crazy lean to meet emissions.
Yea like others have stated. Weight up, power down, no 6th gear and higher price. I was thinking about getting one, now I might try to catch a deal on a 24 model, especially since there are tons of aftermarket parts for it and probably none for the new bike. I will add that in a year or two there will probably be a programmer for the new bike so might actually make a little more power than the older models then idk.
Guys take it easy its a 5 speed but wide ratio . Its fine for what it is dont expect doing topspeed 100miles pr hr
Where is that stated?
hopefully people will sell their old drz's soo i can pick them up for cheap because this new model looks and sounds mid.
About time!
I guess.... my 2002 DRZE still runs strong...hard to keep up with the jones.....I would rather just own a bike that starts and doesn't break down and has parts when needed..that kind of thing. To each their own in the end....I am a championed enduro rider, veteran now, and my current single track rides are simply great, I am not going to complain....some people can only dream about this type of regular activity. Cost for me owning this bike...lets see...$5000 new, divided by 22 years...well thats $20/month plus wear and tear items......bargain...Still hasn't left me stranded, not once.....and the carb has never been removed or needed to be removed for any reason...runs like a top. Lets face it...its still a DR....5 speed. medium power. affordable...reliable. cult status.
Omg alex mica yay 😂 your the best we love you proud of you every day.
TFL, hasnt anyone noticed the commercial was filmed in Denver, by the convention center and up into the Colorado mountains?
And now, it's time for Yamaha to update their dual sport
A WR300R would feed families
@@DStabs720 yeah I'd love an updated wr250r in a 300 or 400 variant.
There are a lot of comments whining, completely missing the point of internationalizing the model to keep up with times. Of course some sacrifices will be made, some old feature kept, and additional features tacked on to milk new system (ECU + TBW). While the Americans are whining, Europeans and Australians are kneeling that they FINALLY can get one.
Well, good news for sure....I just changed the oil on my 2002 street legalized (here in Canada) DRZE400, with kick starter option...since new. Ya I have a T7 for a few years now, but hey, single tracking in the B.C. forests on a new set of Pirellis Mt90 trials tires, and geared stock (top speed 95km/hr). What can I say, I veteran rider, championed on a 1983 PE175 back in the day, instructed etc. The DRZE has proven itself as a model line, I would take one around the world...if I could. The DRZE with bigger carb, header, lower gearing, plastic tank etc...is a true enduro bike, by my defintion and era.. The new DRZ4 looks fine fine fine....now how do I fit a DE800 and a new DRZ4 into my stable....Equally loyal to my Yamahas, and my T7 has become part of me as I nearly enter my 60's. I have always known I have been living through the great motorcycle engineering years...gasoline versions. Wish I was younger.....22 years on one bike...that is incredible engineering....and yes..I ride, I wear out tires.....and change the oil a lot.....hence the long life.......Great review....great time to be a motorcyclist.
If the most exciting part of the new bike, is that you can fully turn the new mods off (abs) then im fine with my 2000, had to check my ins. Card for the year, bad ass bike
"waiting for a more modern 6 speed" the first production bike with a 6 speed was the 1965 suzuki hustler 250cc. die hard drz400 fans are happy with a stronger more reliable 5 speed and would be happy if it was just a slightly wider spread. we also know that you cant just add an extra gear on top without making the engine unnecessarily large.
die hard drz owners are completely unconcerned about efi, especially the australian drz400E owners that have the fcr39mm 48hp and 29.5lb/ft of torque and a bike that weighs 15kg less.
Die hard DRZ fans deserve this toad. 🐸
^^^ THIS !!! :)
Interesting!! I'm hanging on to my 2014. I think all the new goodies won't wow me enuff to change. However if I live in the mountains and was dealing with jet changes I would think differently
I'm all in first bike and it's got a gear indicator let's go!
They are filling a void in the modern market of supermoto/dual sports with this. The 300cc bikes are too underpowered and the 500-700cc bikes are too expensive. However, It would’ve been nice to see a bump in power from the older version. I love mine and will definitely be keeping it. The modern features aren’t enough to switch. I do think this bike will probably sell well if the price is reasonable
Exhaust + tune will get that 2hp back and then some.
It's between this and the KTM 390 for me. I currently own a 390 Adventure, spoked wheel version and i am not thrilled by the thought of less Hp and -1 gear but then again, the Suzuki should be better built and easier to maintain (like ONE oil filter etc :))
It will be interesting to see how much power can be pulled out of it with a tune, and how much weight can be left in the workshop bin.
People buy Suzuki s for the long run. This bike will have a long presence in the market, just like its predecessor.
To me, Suzuki hit it just right.
I'll be sticking with my current one.
Looks like the spark plug is now accessible on the side of the cylinder. I like it, no need to remove the tank anymore
There's two spark plugs now. The other one is still under the tank :(
@leighhill9185 Yeah, I saw that later... I was wondering what they meant by "dual ignition"
Aww no need for the self-flagellation bud! We like you too! At least I do, I came to see you to distract from tonight's hoopla. So thanks for sharing your smile 😉 - as for the bike I'm not a dirt bike guy
Sooo EXCITED!
Some nice updates. Excited to learn more and compare to the ktm 390. If the ratios on the 5speed do not change, then not for me though.
There will be a KTM 390 sumo next year as well.
That's comparing oranges to apples , Suzuki is a quality manufacturer , no comparison with china manufacturing ktmthings bike Whistles and bells may read better on the china bike
@@motozz8258 I think the KTM 390 bikes are made in India, not China. Don't know which is worse.
1:31 “diehard” fans can swap carburetor jets on the side of the road . This bike is for the new fans
If fifth gear is a true highway overdrive, a five-speed is just fine. But, yeah. No 6th is a bit of a bummer. My guess is that the reduced top end power is compensated for by flatter power delivery across the RPM range, something easily achievable with fuel injection. But we’ll see. Everything else sounds great, and it looks fantastic. And ride by wire? Can you say, cruise control? 😃
This bike is a dual sport and does not need 6 speed - it has enough power to do everything it needs to do with the 5 gearbox
The extra weight and no 6th gear doesn't make me feel like it's an upgrade from my 2018 400sm
Less power (my DR-Z has 50hp), more wight, more complicated mechanics/electronics? And still 5 speed? Well, I think I will take good care of my old DR-Z 400 and stockpile spare parts for the years to come (I allready started) and hopefully it will last until I am too old to drive. Fortunately, I dont have to care if it is street legal - here in Cairo nearly every bike is street legal.
The emissions BS is ridiculous. Motorcycles are not the problem. Factories in the emeging countries are the issue.
I have owned 3 drzs. I will get one of these as well.
Not sure why the only 5 gears is such a problem it's the final ratio that counts not the amount of changes You make .
I see this being a better option than the CRF 300 Pogo stick and far far better suited to trail riding than the " Unicorn " CFmoto MT450
So they did a little bit of upgrades to the head in the EFI but I bought you the bottom end is still the same and they probably didn't get the wide gear ratio like everybody always does
Finally did what? Without a 6 speed, it's effectively the same bike. Might as well buy a 2001.
And 2 fewer HP, that you have to rev higher to reach??? FAIL
If someone is riding big changes in elevation, like here in CO, EFI is big
Edit: but you’re not wrong that same transmission is disappointing
@@DirtChainy Yeah, that's fair. And tbh, I don't know if they've changed the gear ratios. A 6-7% increase in the spread would make a big difference on the highway, while still keeping them (the lower 3 anyway) close enough to be useful on the trail.
@ that’s my hope too, but you think they would be happy to brag about increased ratios. I guess we’ll see. Ride safe homie
@DirtChainy they would have me turned it for sure, hey. Sadly, Suzuki has been making their bikes worse, not better for years now. Their only selling point was cheaper prices but I can bet this will cost more than the last one.
@@ausforce1 I’m sure you’re right about that
Looks like the S model got the same upside down forks as the SM.
Looks like most changes are to make it legal in EU. FI and ABS are nice additions. TC is meh. But basically this is the same bike it has always been. If they price it well it should sell atleast as well as the previous, and these changes should allow it to sell in more markets.
Not really competitive with the KTM or husky bikes but still more bike than the Kaw or Honda 300 .
I suspect it will continue to fill that gap.
for sure. i owned a 300 rally. it was a good bike but it was an underpowered pork chop. this bike honestly doesn’t seem bad. i absolutely hate maintaining carbed bikes
The drz400s made 28-31 horsepower anytime anyone actually put it on the dyno. Im not sure if the 39 was just legend, I suspect it likely came from the offline only 400e horsepower at the crank. This shoudl be a sizeable power increase.
Wonder how it will run without a catalyst, plus an open exhaust and air filter, paired with an ECY remap. Should we see more than 43HP+ (crank) at the top end? If the price is fair, despite the useless electronics, it may be a very nice general use bike. Wonder if they added any balancing shafts and so on for vibrations.
EFI = I’ll finally buy one 😂
I hope the DR650SE will be the next!!
How in the frig did they make it heavier?? My plated 400e lightly modified is only 270lbs.. and that’s with the big clunky shocks & headlight.. AGM battery.
@@qtf897 Euro5+ emission rules which dictate a catalyst plus evaporation canister and SAS kit. This also means lean fuel and lower HP. Then you have ABS and TCS added, also due to regulations, for the former at least. All the above is at least 5 or more kilos extra. Thank god they did not go with the A2 license as well, which would mean minimum 175Kg for the bike when wet.
@ stripped of all non-essential BS it could be a pretty awesome bike, hopefully the ethos of Suzuki historically will pull through and it’ll be easy to flash and mod. If a full emissions delete is possible with an exhaust, couple port plugs, and a flash.. this bike could be unreal if it landed under 300lbs and + 7-10hp.
Does it come with a radiator fan? The old one didn't have a fan, which was a problem in slow technical trails
Hopefully they gave it a better seat, which the stock one is terrible for comfort. Honestly i love my DRZ but its a bit primitive….Needed a lot of changes to make it right, but at least its reliable…
It does look nice, but I'll be keeping my 2016 Australian E model thanks 🤣🤣🤣
Something doesn’t add up when you say it makes the same peak torque but higher up the rev range, but the peak hp is down. Unless it drops off a torque cliff beyond peak, that’s pretty unlikely.
Good bean-counting. Heavier bikes wear out just a little bit faster, especially brakes and tires.
I’m definitely thinking the CRF300L for sure now
Why? Underpowered, undersprung. Not made in Japan.
@ it is 30+ lbs lighter, holds more fuel, $2000 cheaper.
That headlight looks like an eBay cheap aftermarket strap on.
Guaranteed if they take all that choked up exhaust it’ll wake it up
forgot to mention the catalytic converter
So you got electronic fuel injection but you don't get different power mode you get a real basic display
Great news but why still 5 speed??!! My 230 KLXSM has 6 speed bwahahaha ill pass!
I will be keeping my older SM. Doesn't need more weight, and less power. Really don't want ABS at all, and maps for riding. Mine is highly modified with much more power. Y'all can keep the electronics. Just saying.
When the parts hit the market, watch out. The old bikes will start getting upgrades 😂
Bummer, 5spd, heavier, less power. All the electronics to add complexity.
Where's the updated DR650?
Yeah wright goes up, power down, 5 speed still, and traction control on a bike that doesn’t even make 40 hp? I had two DRZ-400’s with one having a full FMF titanium exhaust and a Dynojet Stage One jet kit and it was okay on power but not great. The second one I had was a totally stock 400S too and to hear they went down on power and up in weight is so disheartening. What are you thinking Suzuki?
What if I wanted to buy the Dual Sport model but still wanted to ride it on the road like a Super Moto? Would that be a huge difference in performance?
In the corners... yes. Huge. But the S will still be fun in the twisties. You could probably throw some pirelli scorpions on it and it would still rail pretty decent though.
@@TheDfelan I truly appreciate that since I want to do both
Just buy a 17" front rim and swap it out for road use. Keep a gnarly knobby on the 21" for the dirt.
@@machupikachu1085 Nice one! Any suggestions for the knobby?
@@trevor2830 One problem with 21" on the road is quality of tyres, their geometry, warmup time and rubber stickiness. You will not find tyres for fast road use. I did 7000km, all supermoto style on my KLX 250S this summer. The tyres became triangular. Metzeler Tourance. At the beginning they would hold ok-ish but after many cycles they started cracking. They were always funny when riding on the edge, which they easily reach, but the biggest problem was that traction diminished very quickly and warmup was subpar. Radial behaviour was inexistent as well, which is a much in higher lean angles. I had the fun of my life going 70km/h fully leaned having both tyres drfting at the same time (on less ideal tarmac), but with street tyres i would have extra leaning angle left and much better feel at the end of traction. It is not something that you cannot do, but if supermoto is your thing, go for 17" rims. I also had a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere at night time, it was not fun. So always carry a fast, especially when running tubes. Best thing is to have fun with whatever you happen to ride. 21" gives you the opportunity to drive more reckless, ie. you approach a change from tarmac to dirt road with an obvious step and 100 km/h, with 17" you brake, with 21" you... accelerate!
No comments on a DR400 Zee, have some opinions on the DR400 Zed.......
@@salazam 🤣 Excellent!
I certainly don't see the value in upgrading yet. Let suzuki and tuners work this new bike out for a while and then we'll see. Fuel injection is great but so is the carburetion out of a DRZ with a 3x3 mod and a jet kit.
Less power, more weight, more cash in exchange for ABS and fuel injection. Drive modes and traction control are pointless when you have 36hp lol.
Wtf @ no 6 speed, owned a drz400s a long time ago but i gave up on suzuki and switched to a ktm 690. Would just buy a crf450rl or 350exc if i wanted smaller displacement.
and more maintenance.
The only thing I don't like is the seat height..damn!😅 I wish they offered a low version for the dualsport model.
Get the SM and put knobbies on it. That's what I did.
@salazam ah, the classic Troll
@ripmax333 I have the Pirelli MT16 on my 21" front currently. The Motoz stuff is great as well.
It's EFI. IT IS F%@#%@KING EFI! After decades, now my bucket list is crossed!
[Live long enough to see DR-Z gets EFI] -> Done!
Now to buy one.
Heavier, less power, higher revs to get the power, same ol' 5 speed, certainly far higher price, TC & ride-modes on a 40HP bike??? fail in my opinion. i'll keep my 2015.
Tc ride modes and abs are bullshit on any bike just more unneeded shit to break
lower revs due to likely wide ratio 5spd (based highlighted engine diagram, needs to be proven). Ill get the new one.
I think one of the things that's telling with this bike is that they were trying to reuse lots of the old bikes design, that way they wouldn't have to re-tool. So while it will be higher, I think it's going to be around 7500-8500. I think that's one reason they kept the 5 speed. They can change the gear ratios without really re-tooling, and that keeps costs low. While that's disappointing, really the only reason people want a 6sp is for interstate, which can be fixed with better 4 and 5th ratios. The extra weight is from emissions, which can be removed. I think the exhaust is insanely heavy looking as well. Wait and see, I think it's gonna be sick.
As for the TC, ride modes, ABS, these are obviously add-ons to comply with markets outside the US. Outside of KTM, Ducati, and other specific niche bikes there isn't really much left like this in like Euro5+ countries. It's a game changer in the market for sure, can't wait to see it in reviews.
That being said, I don't think anyone would complain if they kept both models in the US. And hey, maybe give the dr650 an upgrade while keeping the old model too.
More weight, less power, much harder to work on. What a loss of opportunity.
Buy the current model then 😂
Weight (probably) easily dropped, likely more power (but hidden behind emission regs), and less things that need to be worked on.
Less power, Same number of gears, little bit of tech. Not impressed😊 whatsoever and this was my go-to bike until I got the supermoto idea out of my head and bought a Honda XR650L. Eventually I'll get a set of supermoto wheels for my Honda. Anything over 70 mph with these tires it came with it's pretty squirrely
Had the same idea and changed to a dr650 and had some street wheels made for it. It's a slightly more grown up version of the drz sm I started on but feels more like a motorcycle not so much a toy
Do on the 390 smcr. I would like to get ur opinion on it.
It's overpriced junk with cams made of chocolate.
You're welcome. 😋
So It got less horsepower and more weight 🥴 I mean the fuel injection is nice, new plastics are ok, I still like the old DRZ has a nice classic look now lol I think the new one looks like you’re trying to make an old one modern now, when I see guys try to update their old DRZ kinda looks like the this new bike lmaoo
Heaver, less power, no 6th gear, smaller 2.3gal gas tank and more electronics to fail. I do not think it will do well when it. I have a 2017 DR Z 400s and I will not upgrade to a less powerful unproven design. If I wanted a heaver bike with more electronics I would just get a KTM 690.
So it weighs more and makes less HP than the older model. Not much of an upgrade
It makes more power. TFL is clueless.
How did it get heavier and less hp than the current one. I’ve never had a issue with carbs. I always empty the gas if I let it sit.
It's actually up 4 hp. TFL clearly does not know Dr.Z's. With the weight gain, performance will be similar.
Or just add a shut off.
Stick with the older model. Less to go wrong.
Big disappointment. No six speed no $ from me.
Who cares as long as its a wide ratio 5
5 speed REALLY hamstrings this bike. Trails are getting further away and a 6th gear would make those long roads runs much more relaxed. It's a deal breaker for me.
I had a 2002 drz. Probably would have kept it if it had a 6th gear.