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I've had a 2020 DR650 for about 4 years now, and I still absolutely love it. It's kind of like the baby bear's porridge in Goldilocks and the three bears, where it's just right in every area. It's not going to blow you away in any respect, but it's an absolute blast and it's reliable as hell. In all the research I've done, I don't think there is a better all-around adventure bike that exists.
I owned a DRZ400, used it as my adventure bike. Many trips to Nevada, camping off the bike. It was excellent, except the lacking on the highway. I bought an EXC 530 after that, very good bike, a notch better on the highway. I will be getting a DR 650 this spring. I feel the best all-around bike for me.
I think, in the future, a DRZ 400 build would be interesting, but before, you have plenty of mods to do on your XR and DR. I have a 14 tooth on my DR and it is happy at 65 - 70 mph and that is all I need. I also have a 4.9 gal IMS tank which I like. It just gives me more range and I don't have to fill it up as often and is a good looking tank. I also have a Seat Concepts seat which I really like. You may want to try lowering the DR by changing the pin in the linkage and dropping the forks in the triple clamps. That was one of my 1st mods and now I can almost flat foot the bike and it costs nothing to do. Great video as always, keep up the good work!
18 year DRZ owner here. I bought a 2002 S model in 2006. During the time I've owned it, I've had a few other bikes: 1. In early 2012 I bought a 2012 KTM 500 EXC. I only rode it for one riding season. I sold it after two years because I moved and didn't ride it the second year I had it. 2. Later in 2012 I bought a 2007 KLR 650. I did two Adventure rides on it, camping off the bike both trips. I realized how much I HATE tent camping. I did a few local rides too, then sold it in early 2020 I think. It become a dust collecting garage ornament 3. In 2019 I bought a new KTM 450 EXC-F (dual sport). I still have it and have a blast riding it on technical single track - it's easier than my DRZ on single track as I get older. 4. In 2022 I bought a T7 with the plan of doing some BDR / ADV riding with it. A year and a half later I concluded it was way too big and top heavy for me. After breaking my wrist in early 2023, I realized a big heavy bike and doing street riding just isn't the type of riding I have any interest doing moving forward, so I sold the T7 in April of this year (2024) I really don't do highway riding, so the DRZ still suits me just fine for most of the riding I do. I trailer the DRZ and KTM (I usually take both when I go camping) to ride. I set up a base camp with my RV you may have seen on my other channel (Delta Bravo here on You Tube)
I'll have to check you out, I've been curious about the ktm dual sports, and the drz. How tall are you and how much do you weigh if you don't mind my asking? I'm a bit taller and heavier than the average rider.
@@JasonRidesmoto It probably comes down to what type of riding you mostly do. Today I did a bunch of single track riding (probably 20-25 miles) with a bunch of dirt roads to get back to camp. Trails are much more fun om the KTM. I've given up riding my DRZ on trails in the PNW - they were fine in my younger years, but too much work nowadays on the DRZ, so the DRZ is my preferred bike for dong an all day, high miles dirt road ride.
Interesting. But I'd like to see an updated DR650, make it lighter with more modern alloys, a solid 40bhp, give adjustability to the suspension, or offer a second tier machine with upgraded suspension.
Bought a ‘06 DRZ400S from a guy who had a shop or dealer put a Yoshimura pipe on it, mod the intake and jets. He sold it to me with only 500 or less miles on it. Holy crap, Batman was that a firecracker in a can! Couldn’t believe the power. It would power wheelie easily in 3rd and I dare say if I kind of dumped the clutch into 4th it was still wheelie-ing. I put a smaller sprocket on and used it to get me going faster on the road. Man did it go. Didn’t hesitate to do 100. But it was tall, loud, and because I mainly roaded it, it was pure bluster in the wind. 2-2.5 hours is all I could take. My ass wanted a break, too. Now I have a Versys 650 which is a helluva great riding bike, but is kind of too heavy still and I do like to ride gravel backroads and it’s not too great for that. I’m highly interested in these new bikes coming out that are 450 twin adventure bikes. If power to weight ratio is right, they could be awesome. Probably will need modification to get the right power out of them.
That's awesome! I'd like to get mine to that point as well, sounds like a blast! The new smaller parallel twins also sound like they should be a good time too, if they aren't too heavy that is...
Wow, we have done exactly the same thing. I had a DRZ400 in exact same colours as yours (mine was an S model) but found it a bit "small" and just wasn't quite what I wanted. And yeah, the DRZ felt "stressed" on the open road. I've now got a DR650, its 20 years old, 43,000kms (I've put 3000 so far) and its the bike I should have bought 10 years ago, fair dinkum. It's amazing. I've been doing heaps of mods and have just gone to 15/43 sprockets which has made it fantastic on the open road. Honestly I feel like I could ride it anywhere. It's the G.O.A.T for sure.
(omitting street bikes I've owned) I've had 2 KLR 650s (2nd gen). They were heavy and hard work offroad. In an attempt to get better at gravel, I bought a DRZ400sm with knobbie tires, as it was really the only thing available at the time and in my budget. I thought it was just a smaller lighter dual sport and I did not understand how much difference wheel size can make. I fell in LOVE w dual sport and also SM! Years later I have bought 2 klx 300s. A klx-DS for trails and a KLX sm for street. The DRZ is an excellent choice. Carb bikes are a deal breaker for me, but I have enjoyed your DR650, and XR650 videos and I will happily enjoy future DRZ400 build videos too! 🍿
Nice! I really need to try out an SM. I've been on plenty of sport bikes and bikes like the Honda 919, but I suspect the combo of smaller, wider wheels/tires, the SM ergos & the light weight of something like a DRZ or KLX would be a blast. I'd also really like to try one with off road tires! The carbs/chokes on my new bikes definitely took some getting used to! Haha. I'm glad your enjoying the videos!!!
Ive had the privilege to ride alot of different dualsport n dirt bikes lately, theres just something great about the drz, once you customized it for you i really think its best all around up to 65mph..
That's probably one of the biggest skills I was lacking back in the day. You can ride a stock dual sport, but it doesn't take to many mods or much money to make them work much, much better for your own riding style and trails! Interesting that you say that. As much as I like the ability to run highway, I would always rather cruise at 55-60mph.
Hey Swanky. I'm glad you made this video! This is probably the hardest decision for intermediate rider to choose: Dr.650, or Dr.Z? Lower seat height vs. better suspension. Gotta choose one or the other, right? Have you considered a Dr.Z 400sm? It's got a 2 inch lower seat height, better components (handlebars, inverted shocks, etc) and slightly taller gearing for road manners. Plus, with the 17" rear, you can run a 19" front rim and keep your full suspension travel - which is in a different solar system compared to the 650 shocks off road. I've had my sm for over a year and put around 8000 miles on it 50/50 riding, and I have yet to bottom out the stock suspension. Plus, they hold their value a little better. It really is kind of the sweet spot between the two. Something to think about. Thanks for all you do. Cheers!
@SwankyCatProductions Sure, but the DR350 benefited from six gears, and they had the DR650 at that time as well. I don't have a DRZ 400 but I have watched easily half a dozen videos where they complain about it being a five-speed, and even more comments in those videos complaining of the same thing. I don't think it can be overstated, be it intentional or not, what a mistake that was. In my opinion.
@@papatorr3669 I agree that they really missed the boat by not putting a six speed in the DRZ but to go a little further I have to say it’s not just the five speed that I dislike, it’s that it’s a five speed with ridiculously close ratios. One can literally go directly from 1st to 5th
@1n2k3v4m I read that somewhere else about the DRZ 400. Then after looking into it I decided that unless you're going to be racing wide ratio transmissions are the way to go. I understand that's where the WR250 got its name. I had a Nighthawk 650sc and a Nighthawk 700s. I ended up keeping the 650 purely because it had a wider range transmission then the 700.
I have a DR650 and it's a great bike both on and off road. I have a 20 litre tank on it and replacement seat and higher fairing. Stronger handle bars and a few mods to the fueling etc. It's a joy to ride.I also made my own silencer and now it sounds like a big single should.
Back when I first learned about dualsports I was watching Everide and a few others from that region of the country and the DRZ was definitely on my short list. What became apparent pretty quickly was that it is pretty one-sided. It seemed that no matter what they did to those bikes the DRZ’s were great off road and sucked on the street. Since there is a distinct lack of trails where I live I ended up going with the KLR, which I thought handled the road just fine at reasonable speeds. I don’t know that the DRZ can really do anything better than modded DR but if you get one I’ll keep watching. The new Himalayan would be interesting choice, but definitely know what you’re getting into. I sold my KLR and wound up getting a Royal Enfield Interceptor. It just made me realize that dualsports are where I belong. I miss that long travel suspension. The point about RE though is that while they have a lot to recommend them they are built to a price, and are extremely heavy compared to the bikes you’ve been riding. Plus dealer support is sporadic at best and RE won’t share the shop manuals of their new models. Ever considered the CRF300l Rally? It’s just recently started to pique my interest since my quest to find an XR650 seems doomed to fail.
The 300L is completely gutless sadly. 0-60 in the 10 second range. No bueno for street use in my experience. Even a fully modded it is in the 7 second range. Stock Dr.Z's in the 5's, in the 4's fully modded. 50% more HP and TQ than team red while being about 20 pounds lighter. Plus better suspension, and Japanese build quality. If you are used to bigger machines, I think you will probably be disappointed with the 300L, especially on the street. If you are mainly riding on road, consider a Dr.Z 400sm and put 50/50 tires on it. I think that may be a great option for ya. It will eat twisties for lunch and still be better off road than the Honda. Cheers!
I've never ridden a DRZ 400, but my brother owned one. I recall his comments about it was it was a bit too revvy for his liking. Personally I like lugging around the big bore 650 cc single, relying on its low end torque to quietly pull me around.
I've had the same car since 2001 and the same truck since 2013, and really have no intention whatsoever to replace or add to either but I currently own 4 motorcycles and can always justify to myself at least adding another. I've never had the DRZ 400 but would love to see some videos on these as it's another bike I've considered getting for a while now
Haha, yeah I'm the same way! I've had the same rusty old pickup for the last 7 years but am always looking at bikes 🤣. I've seen a few at prices that are almost too good to pass up, so we'll see!
I think content-wise you should go Himalayan, it's hot and new and everyone is curious about it. But as a DRZ owner myself, I'd love to see you revisit it with the current thumper stable for comparison. My honest six year, 36,000 miles of ownership opinion is: If the DRZ was THE ONLY bike I owned, it would only be so-so. But when paired with a street bike, in my case a 1200 Sportster, it's fantastic. On the other hand, if the SHTF and the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow, the DRZ would be one of THE BEST bikes to have in that scenario.
I don't think it makes a huge difference, but I feel like a windshield can actually help smooth out the nervous feeling some bikes get at highway speeds. I swear the one I put on my XR made it feel just a touch more stable at 70. Makes sense I suppose, the shield keeps the wind from whipping my upper body around, which is of course attached to the bars which = less accidental movements?
I own an Australian variant of the DRZ400 (DRZ400E), which I have been told is better than the US DRZ400S. Oil changes are as follows: 600, 4000, 7500, 11000, 15000. I try to avoid blacktop as much as possible with it, so it is not a big issue if you stay dirt. I had considered a DR650 for adventure riding, but I think is more dirt touring. For that I would like the new CFMOTO 450MT, which I think is an IBEX in the US. It appears to be a cross between the DRZ and the DR, but modern and even more dirt touring friendly.
I rode my DR 650 on the prospector trail from Finland MN to Babbit MN the other day and it did great although I was sore afterwards. Lots of 4-6 inch rocks and washouts but sid did great with the kendas.
I had a DRZ S for a couple years, but ditched it when I found a mint E model (more power/lower weight) for a great price. I wasn't happy with the S on the road and wanted something lighter for dirt as well. I subsequently found a DR650 that I heavily modified (including an 18" rear) for ADV use. Suspension mods are a must in my opinion. Got a XCFW500 last year so sadly the E is relegated to trail maintenance days.
Just sold a '22 DRz400e I'd previously owned 2 DR650's but wanted a bike more agile and still be ultra reliable. Honestly probably not my finest move I did purchase the 400 brand new only covered 2200kms (I live in Australia) Don't get me wrong the 400 is a fantastic bike but unless you are doing single track daily and a lot of off road stuff frequently I wouldn't buy one or recommend one. I've just purchased a '21 DR650SE with a rejetted carby and full exhaust and wow I can not believe how good it is. The bike is alive the low down grunt is addictive It does single track, highways, up hills, twisty roads all day with no complaints I can ride everything I could do on the 400 and be comfortable for days in the saddle. I will never go back to a 400!!
Great but if info there, thank you! I'd agree, the 650 is just a hard bike to beat, as it really can do it all very well. Highway, single track, it eats it all up with very little trouble!
@@danejames7098 yeah I didn’t encounter any over heating on technical stuff. I don’t think it’s very heavy but I’ve been riding/racing 37 years. My favorite past time is whopping blokes that ride euro trash while I’m on old Suzukis.
I think people put too much emphasis on the seat height when it comes to confidence. I was definitely one of those people. I am 5'8" 125lbs 30" inseam and I have gotten very comfortable with the 35" seat height on the CRF300L rally. I can only reach the ground with the toes on one foot. It's a trade off with less confidence at a traffic light but more confidence off road. I never doubt that I can climb over something without bottoming out and I never worry about dragging a pegs like I used to on other bikes. Now for cornering speed I can't argue that lower is faster but I actually enjoy the feeling of cornering on a tall bike a lot and that's coming from someone who has a couple thousand miles on a stretched minibike lol.
I don't disagree. A low seat height can certainly make you lazy and cause you to catch yourself by putting your feet down, when you should really be figuring out how to control the bike at low speeds, while standing on the pegs. However, if your brand new and learning on your own like I was, tipping over or worrying about tipping over isn't much fun and can be discouraging. Learning to corner on gravel is also a bit sketchy on a taller bike, where the DR almost does it on it's own. I think a lot of it comes down to personal ambitions and riding terrain though.
@@SwankyCatProductions Figuring out personal ambition is huge. I bought my bike less than 30 days ago and rode about 15 miles on my 5 acre lot to learn low speed control. Never had an off road bike before. I lost count of how many times I fell before I went on the street. I thought I just wanted to explore the back roads and do some remote photography, I never thought I'd be doing single track trails but the thrill got me hooked.
😅 I think people don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the seat height when it comes to confidence. I am 5'3 with a 27-in inseam and for me to get comfortable with a 35-in seat height would be like asking you to get comfortable with a 38-in seat height. 😅
@@papatorr3669 I could be comfortable on a 45" tall seat. The seat height doesn't matter to me anymore. I wouldn't feel embarrassed to dismount the bike at stop lights and if the bike is going down I'm not going to risk breaking my ankle to catch it.
And if you ever get the chance (and actually want to) *buy* a DR350, ProCycle sells a nifty little 440cc big bore kit. That and a bigger carb might be the bike you want. 6 gears, light bike, and a big enough engine.
I have had 2 DR 350s. These are my absolute favorite dirt bikes but not race bikes. I use to race motocross and have had many race bikes and dirt bikes, but for just riding off road I liked the DR 350 best. With the 6-speed I went up 4 teeth on the rear sprocket which made it a goat and it would still do 70 - 75 mph. It has a lower gear then my buddy's XR 400 and about 10 mph more on top and that is with the lower gearing. I never had a problem with the bikes. Why Suzuki did not put a 6-speed trans in their DRZ is beyond me.
@@EricKoch-s5b Torture Test Magazine did a 24 hour endurance race on a dr200 and I think almost won except for a few setbacks. Should go watch his vids on that bike. It's 10% bike and 90% rider, right?
I've been watching for them! If they were still available new I'd be much more excited to build one. But either way, they do seem like an awesome option!
I have a DRZ400s now and am not sure I am totally satisfied. I never feel like i am in the right gear cruising the neighborhood. Dont think I would try a long rode ride with it. I did a tough trail ride on some muddy mountain trails, and it was challenging keeping it upright. The weight and height are not a good combo on tough terrain. I'm 6', 200lb. So I touch the ground ok on it, but can't flat foot. I can take my sons TTR230 and do those same trails all day long no problem. So I am thinking the DR650 might be better for me. At least better for the roads and light trail riding. The lower center of gravity a major plus. And I could pick up a true dirt bike for some of the ATV parks, tough trails, etc. Maybe a KLX300R.
Yeah the DR certainly feels much lighter than it is (due to the lower CG) and while the suspension is rather soft, it does make for a plush ride on the road! That being said, a lower lighter bike does make rough terrain seem much easier to tackle!
I had a DRZ. The only reason I sold it was due to medical bills. When I was ready to buy a new one, that’s when the 300s were released, so I went for that. You can definitely feel the new technology differences. The bikes are practically the same weight but the 300 feels lighter. The fuel injection and 6th gear is what really made me happy with my decision. However, I did have to dump about $2k+ into the 300 before I was completely happy with it. And I’m just an off road guy. I try to avoid Hwy riding at all cost. But if I do have to hit the Hwy I have no problem running 70mph since the bike tops out at 81mph. But as far as off roading goes, I’ll take the 300 over the 400 any day.
I've had a couple of DRZ400s, DR650s, WR250R/Xs, XT250s, EXC500Fs, a CFR450L, a Tenere 700, a KLX 300, and even a XL500. Currently I have a EXC350F. While still not perfect, it is my favorite. Has mildly annoying engine vibration but less than the 500s which were horrible. The seat needs to be replaced if you ever plan on sitting down, it needs the KTM skid plate which is extra, and the rear plastic sub-fender that holds the turn signals on needs its mounting screws drilled and safety wired so it won't fall off, and it needs real hand guards installed. It is incredibly good on dirt. So superior to the bigger heavier bikes on single track. Wish it had a Cush drive for street, but tolerable.
My drz is geared down. I respect an attempt for engine longevity, by not going over 55, and trailering it long distances. Even with stock gearing I had no desire to take it on the highway just because it winds out more than I like.
As nice as it is to be able to run at highway speeds, I honestly would ALWAYS rather take a county road. Less traffic, you can still hear the bike rather than the wind that's constantly tossing you around. Just a much, much more enjoyable experience in my opinion!
I bought a DRZ 350 few years back for 55$ bucks in good shape was just missing few top end bolts , needed a carb witch the DRZ 400 carb was perfect for it bike Was straight seat was great to , sometimes you just catch people at the exact perfect time they don’t need the money it was in the way supposedly. .. I just nodded and agreed thinking wow u gotta be kidding me…
Maintenance intervals is a major consideration for me when I am looking at bikes. I checked multiple sources, and the DRZ-400 has 3500 mile oil change intervals, so not too bad.
Regarding the oil capacity, the 400 is liquid cooled, which means the toll on the oil is significantly less than on the air cooled 650. Basically, the 650 need more of the cooling to come from the oil, and the top end can become much hotter, so the oil degrade quicker. In addition, air cooled engines take longer to heat up the oil, and again cold oil cause more wear than warm oil, which again cause oil contamination.
drz400 oil change interval is 6000km (3728 miles) suzuki recommends half intervals for offroad use so 3000km (1864 miles) this is the exact same recommendation as for the dr650. keep in mind air cooled bikes can be much harder on oil temperature wise. personally i change the oil on my drz400e at half interval 3000km regardless but having the 6000km interval gives me peace of mind if i'm on an adv ride and i have to stretch my interval past the normal 3000km a bit.
DRZ owner here, if you rode a TW200 for thousands of miles before getting your DRZ then you dont mind the buzzy engine at highway speeds, had mine going 90 for miles at a time, pass people no issue, on the other hand the TW is wrapped out full rrrrs and still no power to pass or go over maybe 65 LOL. DR650 was a pass for me because of the weight but i like the lower wider seat for sure. Still think about just getting a DR and keeping all 3 bikes.
Perspective is key! It's been really interesting to hear how others opinions differ on bikes I ride because of the ones they've had experience on beforehand. I think I do owe the DRZ another try and would be really interested to see which feels more comfortable to me at stock height!
I'm in the same boat! Love the TW, but I shy away from highways (where people want to go 65+) and would never dare to get on the Interstate, but I can take the DRZ those places and still go off-road. The extra clearance has gotten me up some deeply rutted singletrack where the TW is dragging foot pegs on the sides, and the HP has run me up stuff my old tired TW can't pull me up. For the rest of the off-road riding though, the TW is just as great as long as I keep it slow. I suspect most of that middle-ground would be fine on the DR650, and I'd be more comfortable getting there.
I've owned both 400sm and 400e. The e was better for me and just hope they add efi, 6th cog, bigger tank and updated dash. Saying that, if price or weight goes up too much for new emmission regs then leave it be. I haven't tried the 650....yet 😉
Yeah, I'm pretty interested to see what they're doing with it! I'm also hoping they do a bit more than just add EFI and new plastics, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see!
The two issues with the Suziki DR650. 1. Air Cooled, I've seen the exhaust pipe glowing red hot while trail riding slow technical mud hole trails with my riding friend on his DR650, he would have to stop and let the DR cool down, at the same time my KLR650 would still be running cool. 2. The gas tank on the DR650 is way too small, after about 3 to 4 hours of trail riding my friend would have to switch to Reserve and head out to go look for a gas station, while on my KLR I can trail ride all day long on one tank of gas. Even though the KLR is a little heavier than the DR650 that is because of the bigger gas tank and the radiator than the DR and the KLR have about the power output and the speeds you can ride are the same, he can't loose me and I can't loose him. Speed your money on tires, tires are the main factor in acceleration / traction and not getting stuck in the mud. The big 650 single cylinder motors chug though the mud like tractors with the right rear tire. Both bikes need the carbs rejetted, and performance mufflers.
Drs are actually oil cooled and stay incredibly cool all the time. XR650Ls areair cooled but drs have a large oil capacity and the oil is routed through the engine like coolant then through an oil cooler. Your buddies had stock jetting probably which is lean and causes the pipe to glow. Once jetted correctly you can beat them through uphill rock gardens while riding the clutch for an hour straight and it will never get too hot.
Suzuki DR’s are AIR Cooled. Just like my Harley Davidson 1880 cc Vtwin is, and like my Harley it also has a large oil capacity 4 qts. and an OIL Cooler also. Both my Harley and your DR are primarily AIR Cooled.
i'm a kawasaki suzuki tech and what ever you saw is in your head , no glowing exhaust , i owed this bike and a drz 400 , the klr is 70 lbs heavier , and is a good bike , but honestly too heavy when compared , change the seat and gear a drz to sm gearing and your good to go , if you need to change the tank , at 120 lbs lighter come on .
Found the opposite true when I crossed the Simpson Desert in Australia with my brother in law. His KLR was getting hot while the DR ran cool. I could touch the exhaust of my DR at the end of a day's riding. Sounds like your friends DR was poorly jetted. They love the DR's out here in Australia because they can handle extreme conditions so well. The KLR's are popular too but less robust with a weak subframe and fairing.
I had a gen1 KLR for 3 years. I had to put new springs because the thing wouldn't like to go fast on dirt no matter I'm a slim guy. It would be a great adventure bike but all I was doing was trail riding and as we all know it's a heavy bike. I sold it and got a brand new ´22 DRZ. I only miss the comfort and torque of the KLR but couldn't be more happy with the swap. I don't think I'll ever be selling the DRZ.
Greetings, As always another brilliant detailed video production 🇺🇲🍾🎉🇺🇲 Keep producing more videos about the DRZ!!!?? I have not decided yet on the drz (I have a 2023DR) I want to try something little lighter DRZ 290lbs after weight reduction.
Ben Leave the DRZ400 , and keep experimenting with the 650's I am a longtime Honda rider and IMO the XR is the better bike and after you dropped it's height I think is still the better steed. A Himalayan is a more soft trail adventure bike and will mot perform as well as the DR but it does have great suspension by all reports. Still suggest to put heavier weight fork oil in the DR and see the difference 15W will make a marked change.
I'll definitely keep the 650s for a while yet. Once they're done though, I want to compare them to some sort of competitor. Either a similar build on a different bike, or something prebuilt for adventure like the Himalayan. I don't doubt that the 650s would be better, but it would be fun to test them and find out. Might also help direct people to bikes like the DR or XR!
I'm actually in the same position with you. I'm considering a drz 434 and a klx 351, for my next project. Mabey with 16/39 sproket and a rekluse clutch. I'll be happy to see those projects. For me, even the drz are still too havey when the trail Gen gnarly... So the 650s are not a consideration...
I feel like DR650’s are like fingerprints. Because of how customizable they are, no two are ever the same. I think I’ve gotten mine to the point where it’s in the Goldilocks zone for me. It would probably feel very different for another rider. P.S. I would keep my eyes peeled for the new KTM adventure that’s coming out. It should be very comparable to a DR as far as capability goes.
Yessir......build it and they will come. I like your perspective. You understand that maybe you didn't give the old drz a fair shake and maybe it's worth revisiting. Although I love the bigger adventure bikes, I think you are making videos for your average every day working man, and these thumpers are ridden by people who've been riding dirtbikes since they were kids. Adventure bikes kinda speak to a different audience because the average working man can't afford that 7 million dollar BMW. Ha. Great video sir. I didn't even cry when you were beating down the drz. Jk.
Thanks! Yeah there's definitely some overlap between dual sport and adventure guys but we are slightly different breeds, and I'm just too cheap to be a real adventure guy haha. Haha, I'm glad I wasn't too hard on the DRZ for you. I think it certainly has its purpose and is an awesome bike... Would definitely be interesting to see what I thought of it now!
Wisconsin sure looks beautiful!! Skip the dated and small DRZ, stick with the 450 MT and Royal enfield...be sure to review all the DR and XR Mods... Overall Suzuki looking like the better all-Rounder...in this size/price range. Lets see what a new set of springs and rear shock does for the DR please~? Don't miss the music at all BTW, like Thumper sounds better ;-)
This is the "why I love the DR650 and had a hard time with the DRZ-400" review/explanation that I've been waiting for. Thank you! You make a lot of great points. I've not ridden a DR650 but I've wondered about many of them. I can take the DR-Z400S on all the highways and interstates around here, but I don't like going 80 and the bike is super buzzy even at 60-65+. Sometimes it is a little tiresome getting my leg over the bike, and in some sketchy places I've nearly had a spill as I struggled to get a foot down but... Could I have done the same sketchy trail with a heavier bike with lower clearance? That is hard to say. Another hit against the DRZ-400S is like the XR650, the weight is higher, and that makes the bike feel heavier when leveraging it up, or holding it up when it is leaning over. At the end of the day, I like being able to ride my motorcycle to the trails and go exploring. I mostly stick to ATV+ roads, and shy away from the more risky trails that really need a light weight dirt bike. I don't do jumps, but I have really appreciated the DR-Z400S suspension eating up some rough spots that I came up on too fast to stop that I'm sure I would have eaten and thrown my TW200. Sure, the fix for that is go slower, but there are some rough forest roads around here that you would have to crawl over with lesser suspension. I don't think I'll swap the DR-Z, it has been such a boost to my exploring range and capability over the TW200 (mostly because I can keep up with traffic pulling up the canyon roads), but maybe someday I can add a DR650 to my garage. It is nice that it falls under 649cc for those who don't have the "any size" endorsement to ride.
If you could ride with someone who has a DRZ-400 and do a back to back swap on road and off-road with them, that would be a great taste without committing to a DRZ-400 build.
I just bought another DRZ after owning loads of other bikes. There’s just no other bike like a DRZ. It’s in a class of its own and the 650’s just can’t compare in terms of its off road potential. My DRZ has 27k miles and cost me $2800 as well.
I'd probably agree. I just rode my XR & DR on some single track and realized how much better the XR felt. It's kind of the opposite out on the road, which is also what I noticed about the DR vs DRZ.
Dr650s come jetted obscene lean, if you put a 45 pilot and 150 main jet in it, even with the stock exhuast, bin the snorkel, its a diffrent bike, it just sorts it
Fcr39 pumper carb is a must with the drz400. Slip on exhaust and 3x3 mod. Power comes on immediately. Redo the gearing if doing alot of highway. Totally different animal from stock drz
@@MarkSpalding-qc7ym Can’t remove the starter sprag clutch assembly from any E,S, or SM models. 💡2000-2004 DRZ400 base model (kick-start only) had no starter, starter sprag clutch, torque limiter, starter motor, start switch, battery, nor the space to put any of that stuff. The E-start system (on any moto) adds quite a bit of weight to the machine.
There's speculation that maybe a replacement is coming for the DRZ400. Check out the new video from Chronicles of Solid. Also note that a 2025 model year option is MISSING from Suzuki's website, however, a 2025 DR650 IS listed.
Your link for the windshield and GPS mount shows it for a TE 701. Is this the one you have. It's a great idea for the DR. Thank you for your videos I enjoy the reviews.
The DRZ is a really interesting bike. One of the new ones that has grabbed my interest is the CFMoto 450 MT. Again, I'm not a road rider, but if I were... The way you've built that 650, it's pretty much perfect for the type of riding you do. Nice work... it' looks wicked cool too. I think you've mentioned this before, but you do prefer the XR over the DR650 in its current state, right?
I'd really like to try a CF MOTO! Especially the 450, but I'm a little afraid of the backlash for buying a Chinese bike... Hopefully I can get over that someday though lol. Thank you! I'm pretty happy with the DR as well! The XR just has the right sound and snap that makes it feel just a tad more fun. That being said the DR is also an awesome bike with plenty of grunt!
The CFMoto 450 is a road-biased adventure bike with adequate easy off-road performance, it's miles away from being a dual sport. It's sheer weight and size plus the expense of actually throwing it down a rocky hill takes it out of the dual-sport category. I failed miserably to get it around the easiest loop on our local enduro trail which I can easily do on my sons 1996 KMX 125 trail bike. A unicorn it isn't.
I’d love to see you get a DRZ400, and possibly an SM model. Try knobby tires on the 17’s vs. the 18/21 combo, and see if makes sense for how you ride to have one set or the other more. The SM is lower, even with 18/21 wheels, so maybe it would fit you better anyway. I’m seriously looking at getting one myself, and because I can only realistically have one bike at a time, I need it to do everything, even if it isn’t ideal for everything. I’m mostly a street rider, so the SM seems ideal for me, and with some knobbier tires, I think it could be fun for some light off roading as well.
Stick with the 650. Both great, but the 650 is a small bit more versatile and slightly better in most normal day to day work. The 400 is awesome but id take the 650 every time. Suspension on the 400 is a bit better stock, but once you get some EMU's and/or rear shock swap, the dr setup is pretty sweet. The key to the 650 is that low torque, its so damn forgiving. Ive been stuck in some thick $&*% and just chugged through or up it. Plunk plunk plunk and idle your way through almost any slop.
You mention you used to own a Honda XR650L. Do you prefer the DR650 to the XR650? If so, have you made a comparison video on the differences? Great video btw I’ve always wondered what the difference of these 2 Suzukis are.
They're in a few spots, the video description, and also in the top pinned comment from me. Here's the install video I did as well. I ordered it for a 701 Enduro, so it should have come with brackets for a 1 1/8" fat bar, like I have on my modded DR, but they sent me the wrong brackets. I made them work but also let the seller know, and now they sent me the right ones. So if you decide to pick one up, just make sure you pick the right one for your handlebar diameter, and then cross your fingers you get the right size I suppose, haha. ruclips.net/video/y2eK0r5_FPA/видео.htmlsi=Uej6NI3x73jm7ck-
If they bring out the fuel injected drz that is rumoured get on the waitlist early and you will have something to make content with for several years and get good views and ad revenue. Keep on making videos, I enjoy your content.
I have both, 22 dr and 09 drz, love em both. If your gona stay on road and over 65 dr, if you're really dualsporting drz is so much better offroad, suspension and 50 pounds lighter is Hugh difference.
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I've also heard that they're an awesome bike! The DRZ mainly interests me because I want to see if I've got them remembered correctly, but also because they're still available.
@SwankyCatProductions as a DR650 owner whos dropped my bike in the sandy single track a few times, the idea of a DR like bike that only weighs 286 pounds but can still go highway speeds because of a 6th gear is very attractive. If only it still had a lower seat height like the 650
IMO ditch the DRZ, a new one is on the way and a review/build series on the new bike will always generate more clicks. Plus the KTM390 ADV, and possibly Enduro are due soon. No doubt other “unicorn” challengers will be on the near horizon as well. The DR650 is tried and true but out of the box less than what it can be, a build series on it will be fun for you but I doubt you could cover any unique ground. Ultimately you would be playing to the choir, I’m my opinion, I’d still watch but it would probably only appeal to a limited audience. If you do the DR try a 790 swap with a Nova gearbox, that’s a build I’ve love to see.
Hay Ben ! ..... I'ed like to see the Himalayan 450 get under you ! the DRZ400 not so much. simply because they screwed up badly on the DRZ in my opinion. seat height, valve shims and alot of other stuff....and it's price was not completive being several hundreds of dollars more. than the competition. if you would have done a comparison of the CSC RX4 a few years back you would have saved me alot of money..... it's weight and high center of gravity was a major turn off to me I had no idea that they would make a 450cc bike that heavy ! however I found out real fast that it felt as heavy as a VT1100 Honda !!!! Darn near imposable to pick up !.... I sold it and got the XR650L and have never looked back. I would have gotten a DR650 but they are near imposable to find here ! .... and Yes ...when you see a deer SLOW Down because there are 5 more that you don't see I've never hit one but it's been soo close I had one jump over me and my bike doing 70mph ! never hit one yet... but I've had many instances where they made themselves a moving target !!! .....amd at 70mph the paramedics would have a hard time determining which part is human and which part is Deer..... a grizzly thought,... but one you should be aware of riding a motorcycle !
Would be great to compare dr to drz but you need to do the gearing right and fit a lowering bar on the rear suspension on drz. Both engine s are bulletproof but prefer air cooled dr
Back in 2005 I had a 2001 Dr-z 400s It was a complete turd for some reason. I tried to regear it and It just wouldn't be what I wanted it to be, it comes down to personal experience and preference. I prefer my Xr650 over anything else. My biggest complaint is wind protection.
I think it depends where and how hard/fast your riding. I rode my DR next to my XR on some single track and quickly realized how much better the XR handled. Out on the road or at a slower pace, I think it's the exact opposite. I'd assume it'd be pretty similar with the DR & DRZ.
If you ride single track, Your Dr650 isn't comparable to a drz400 ! That is where the Drz400 excels over the bigger 650's by light year's ! Only thing better about the Dr650 an Xr650 is highway speeds ! That's it lol If you are offroading at all, The Suzuki drz400 is better in All area's off pavement. I believe this is the consensus with anyone who has ridden all models.
Why are you putting 91 octane in there? It's a low compression motor. No wonder it doesn't feel snappy to you. Higher octane burns slower as it's meant for high compression motors or forced induction motors. Manual calls for 87...
I have! Not on the W702 Pro version that's on the DR yet, but the original W702 version on my XR is very similar. The pro version just has a few extra features like automatically adjusting the brightness (which seems a tad to bright to me still) a built in compass that can be used without a cellphone, a built in barometer, & the ability to connect two Bluetooth headsets to it for either music sharing or intercom. Carpuride W702 Review: ruclips.net/video/s3Yb7O1Ndlk/видео.html
Leave the DRZ for now. The 450 Himalayan is a hot bike right now, and there are a lot of videos on it out there. I think you should get some videos out upgrading the springs on the DR650 pronto!! I put the tank bag in my cart at Rocky Mountain.
The 450 does seem like a pretty hard bike to beat for the price! Probably not as capable as the 650s but it'd be fun to see what I could make it do! Nice! Thanks for the support!
DRZ owner here. I’m gonna be frank. No comparison between the bikes. Two different machines. Don’t bother with the DRZ, as we’ve just spent the last half hour listening to you selling yourself on the 650, and by way of your riding style, seems the right tool for the job….maybe even a Himalayan or GS. Clearly seeking comfort, and that’s alright. Just that the DRZ is a motocross (not a single track) bike with road lights, powered by the front lung out of a TL1000 sport bike…that masquerades as dual sport by way of its pillion pegs, legit tripmeter and low slung factory handlebars. You want a real eye-opener to contrast the DR650 experience with? Seek out a ‘91 or newer XR250L.
That is a very good point! The DRZ specs and from what I can remember, certainly do make it seem like it's not really the right choice for my trails and riding ambitions. That being said though, as much as I love my DR, and I do! I actually have a lot more fun on my XR650L, and that bike reminds me a bit of the DRZ...
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Do you dig KTM bikes ?
I've had a 2020 DR650 for about 4 years now, and I still absolutely love it. It's kind of like the baby bear's porridge in Goldilocks and the three bears, where it's just right in every area. It's not going to blow you away in any respect, but it's an absolute blast and it's reliable as hell. In all the research I've done, I don't think there is a better all-around adventure bike that exists.
Got my Drz for 2500$, 6 years later its taken me over mountains and sand dunes all over the country, best bike ever made🤟
That's awesome!!! I do wish I'd kept mine...
I had both bikes at the same time. I pretty much always went for the DR650 and ended up losing interest in the DRZ.
I owned a DRZ400, used it as my adventure bike. Many trips to Nevada, camping off the bike. It was excellent, except the lacking on the highway. I bought an EXC 530 after that, very good bike, a notch better on the highway. I will be getting a DR 650 this spring. I feel the best all-around bike for me.
I think, in the future, a DRZ 400 build would be interesting, but before, you have plenty of mods to do on your XR and DR. I have a 14 tooth on my DR and it is happy at 65 - 70 mph and that is all I need. I also have a 4.9 gal IMS tank which I like. It just gives me more range and I don't have to fill it up as often and is a good looking tank. I also have a Seat Concepts seat which I really like. You may want to try lowering the DR by changing the pin in the linkage and dropping the forks in the triple clamps. That was one of my 1st mods and now I can almost flat foot the bike and it costs nothing to do. Great video as always, keep up the good work!
18 year DRZ owner here. I bought a 2002 S model in 2006. During the time I've owned it, I've had a few other bikes:
1. In early 2012 I bought a 2012 KTM 500 EXC. I only rode it for one riding season. I sold it after two years because I moved and didn't ride it the second year I had it.
2. Later in 2012 I bought a 2007 KLR 650. I did two Adventure rides on it, camping off the bike both trips. I realized how much I HATE tent camping. I did a few local rides too, then sold it in early 2020 I think. It become a dust collecting garage ornament
3. In 2019 I bought a new KTM 450 EXC-F (dual sport). I still have it and have a blast riding it on technical single track - it's easier than my DRZ on single track as I get older.
4. In 2022 I bought a T7 with the plan of doing some BDR / ADV riding with it. A year and a half later I concluded it was way too big and top heavy for me. After breaking my wrist in early 2023, I realized a big heavy bike and doing street riding just isn't the type of riding I have any interest doing moving forward, so I sold the T7 in April of this year (2024)
I really don't do highway riding, so the DRZ still suits me just fine for most of the riding I do. I trailer the DRZ and KTM (I usually take both when I go camping) to ride. I set up a base camp with my RV you may have seen on my other channel (Delta Bravo here on You Tube)
I'll have to check you out, I've been curious about the ktm dual sports, and the drz. How tall are you and how much do you weigh if you don't mind my asking? I'm a bit taller and heavier than the average rider.
I'm torn between a $7k KTM EXC-F 450 or a $4k DRZ 400S
@@JasonRidesmoto It probably comes down to what type of riding you mostly do.
Today I did a bunch of single track riding (probably 20-25 miles) with a bunch of dirt roads to get back to camp. Trails are much more fun om the KTM. I've given up riding my DRZ on trails in the PNW - they were fine in my younger years, but too much work nowadays on the DRZ, so the DRZ is my preferred bike for dong an all day, high miles dirt road ride.
Suzuki filed patents for an updated DRZ with FI recently. Looking forward to you hopefully getting one of those when they come out.
We'll see how soon I'm ready for a new build, and when they finally come out, but what would be awesome!!!
Interesting. But I'd like to see an updated DR650, make it lighter with more modern alloys, a solid 40bhp, give adjustability to the suspension, or offer a second tier machine with upgraded suspension.
@@SwankyCatProductions The New DRZ-4s comes out April 2025.
I rode a DRZ400 for about a year, and really enjoyed it. I traded it in for a DR650 and I really like it too. Both bikes are amazing.
Bought a ‘06 DRZ400S from a guy who had a shop or dealer put a Yoshimura pipe on it, mod the intake and jets. He sold it to me with only 500 or less miles on it. Holy crap, Batman was that a firecracker in a can! Couldn’t believe the power. It would power wheelie easily in 3rd and I dare say if I kind of dumped the clutch into 4th it was still wheelie-ing. I put a smaller sprocket on and used it to get me going faster on the road. Man did it go. Didn’t hesitate to do 100. But it was tall, loud, and because I mainly roaded it, it was pure bluster in the wind. 2-2.5 hours is all I could take. My ass wanted a break, too. Now I have a Versys 650 which is a helluva great riding bike, but is kind of too heavy still and I do like to ride gravel backroads and it’s not too great for that. I’m highly interested in these new bikes coming out that are 450 twin adventure bikes. If power to weight ratio is right, they could be awesome. Probably will need modification to get the right power out of them.
That's awesome! I'd like to get mine to that point as well, sounds like a blast! The new smaller parallel twins also sound like they should be a good time too, if they aren't too heavy that is...
Wow, we have done exactly the same thing. I had a DRZ400 in exact same colours as yours (mine was an S model) but found it a bit "small" and just wasn't quite what I wanted. And yeah, the DRZ felt "stressed" on the open road. I've now got a DR650, its 20 years old, 43,000kms (I've put 3000 so far) and its the bike I should have bought 10 years ago, fair dinkum. It's amazing. I've been doing heaps of mods and have just gone to 15/43 sprockets which has made it fantastic on the open road. Honestly I feel like I could ride it anywhere. It's the G.O.A.T for sure.
I'd totally enjoy seeing you get another DRZ and outfit it.
(omitting street bikes I've owned) I've had 2 KLR 650s (2nd gen). They were heavy and hard work offroad. In an attempt to get better at gravel, I bought a DRZ400sm with knobbie tires, as it was really the only thing available at the time and in my budget. I thought it was just a smaller lighter dual sport and I did not understand how much difference wheel size can make. I fell in LOVE w dual sport and also SM! Years later I have bought 2 klx 300s. A klx-DS for trails and a KLX sm for street. The DRZ is an excellent choice. Carb bikes are a deal breaker for me, but I have enjoyed your DR650, and XR650 videos and I will happily enjoy future DRZ400 build videos too! 🍿
Nice! I really need to try out an SM. I've been on plenty of sport bikes and bikes like the Honda 919, but I suspect the combo of smaller, wider wheels/tires, the SM ergos & the light weight of something like a DRZ or KLX would be a blast. I'd also really like to try one with off road tires! The carbs/chokes on my new bikes definitely took some getting used to! Haha. I'm glad your enjoying the videos!!!
@@SwankyCatProductions All roads eventually lead to SM.
Ive had the privilege to ride alot of different dualsport n dirt bikes lately, theres just something great about the drz, once you customized it for you i really think its best all around up to 65mph..
That's probably one of the biggest skills I was lacking back in the day. You can ride a stock dual sport, but it doesn't take to many mods or much money to make them work much, much better for your own riding style and trails! Interesting that you say that. As much as I like the ability to run highway, I would always rather cruise at 55-60mph.
Hey Swanky. I'm glad you made this video! This is probably the hardest decision for intermediate rider to choose: Dr.650, or Dr.Z?
Lower seat height vs. better suspension. Gotta choose one or the other, right?
Have you considered a Dr.Z 400sm? It's got a 2 inch lower seat height, better components (handlebars, inverted shocks, etc) and slightly taller gearing for road manners. Plus, with the 17" rear, you can run a 19" front rim and keep your full suspension travel - which is in a different solar system compared to the 650 shocks off road. I've had my sm for over a year and put around 8000 miles on it 50/50 riding, and I have yet to bottom out the stock suspension. Plus, they hold their value a little better.
It really is kind of the sweet spot between the two. Something to think about. Thanks for all you do.
Cheers!
It can not be overstated how Suzuki missed the gravy train by dropping the sixth gear when they replaced the DR 350 with the DRZ 400.
I think that was probably intentional. They figured the 650 is for the hwy and the 400 is for the trails.
@SwankyCatProductions Sure, but the DR350 benefited from six gears, and they had the DR650 at that time as well. I don't have a DRZ 400 but I have watched easily half a dozen videos where they complain about it being a five-speed, and even more comments in those videos complaining of the same thing. I don't think it can be overstated, be it intentional or not, what a mistake that was. In my opinion.
@@papatorr3669 I agree that they really missed the boat by not putting a six speed in the DRZ but to go a little further I have to say it’s not just the five speed that I dislike, it’s that it’s a five speed with ridiculously close ratios. One can literally go directly from 1st to 5th
@1n2k3v4m I read that somewhere else about the DRZ 400. Then after looking into it I decided that unless you're going to be racing wide ratio transmissions are the way to go. I understand that's where the WR250 got its name. I had a Nighthawk 650sc and a Nighthawk 700s. I ended up keeping the 650 purely because it had a wider range transmission then the 700.
@@papatorr3669errore gravissimo, non so se nella nuova 4s abbiano risolto il problema allungando la quinta e accorciando la prima
I have a DR650 and it's a great bike both on and off road. I have a 20 litre tank on it and replacement seat and higher fairing. Stronger handle bars and a few mods to the fueling etc. It's a joy to ride.I also made my own silencer and now it sounds like a big single should.
There may be a market for your silencer
Swanky Swanky. Haven’t seen you in a while. Like watching your videos. Keep it up. Stay safe
Back when I first learned about dualsports I was watching Everide and a few others from that region of the country and the DRZ was definitely on my short list. What became apparent pretty quickly was that it is pretty one-sided. It seemed that no matter what they did to those bikes the DRZ’s were great off road and sucked on the street. Since there is a distinct lack of trails where I live I ended up going with the KLR, which I thought handled the road just fine at reasonable speeds. I don’t know that the DRZ can really do anything better than modded DR but if you get one I’ll keep watching.
The new Himalayan would be interesting choice, but definitely know what you’re getting into. I sold my KLR and wound up getting a Royal Enfield Interceptor. It just made me realize that dualsports are where I belong. I miss that long travel suspension. The point about RE though is that while they have a lot to recommend them they are built to a price, and are extremely heavy compared to the bikes you’ve been riding. Plus dealer support is sporadic at best and RE won’t share the shop manuals of their new models.
Ever considered the CRF300l Rally? It’s just recently started to pique my interest since my quest to find an XR650 seems doomed to fail.
The 300L is completely gutless sadly. 0-60 in the 10 second range. No bueno for street use in my experience. Even a fully modded it is in the 7 second range. Stock Dr.Z's in the 5's, in the 4's fully modded. 50% more HP and TQ than team red while being about 20 pounds lighter. Plus better suspension, and Japanese build quality. If you are used to bigger machines, I think you will probably be disappointed with the 300L, especially on the street.
If you are mainly riding on road, consider a Dr.Z 400sm and put 50/50 tires on it. I think that may be a great option for ya. It will eat twisties for lunch and still be better off road than the Honda.
Cheers!
I've never ridden a DRZ 400, but my brother owned one. I recall his comments about it was it was a bit too revvy for his liking. Personally I like lugging around the big bore 650 cc single, relying on its low end torque to quietly pull me around.
I've had the same car since 2001 and the same truck since 2013, and really have no intention whatsoever to replace or add to either but I currently own 4 motorcycles and can always justify to myself at least adding another. I've never had the DRZ 400 but would love to see some videos on these as it's another bike I've considered getting for a while now
Haha, yeah I'm the same way! I've had the same rusty old pickup for the last 7 years but am always looking at bikes 🤣. I've seen a few at prices that are almost too good to pass up, so we'll see!
Ti sconsiglio la 400. I rapporti del cambio sono osceni e ti faranno passare la voglia di usarla...
I think content-wise you should go Himalayan, it's hot and new and everyone is curious about it. But as a DRZ owner myself, I'd love to see you revisit it with the current thumper stable for comparison. My honest six year, 36,000 miles of ownership opinion is: If the DRZ was THE ONLY bike I owned, it would only be so-so. But when paired with a street bike, in my case a 1200 Sportster, it's fantastic. On the other hand, if the SHTF and the zombie apocalypse happened tomorrow, the DRZ would be one of THE BEST bikes to have in that scenario.
I have a DRZ, with a windscreen and Seat Concepts seat it's not too bad for highway riding.
I don't think it makes a huge difference, but I feel like a windshield can actually help smooth out the nervous feeling some bikes get at highway speeds. I swear the one I put on my XR made it feel just a touch more stable at 70. Makes sense I suppose, the shield keeps the wind from whipping my upper body around, which is of course attached to the bars which = less accidental movements?
Had a dirt pig for years, but never did the whole set of modifications. My advice would be to do the mods, because the basic platform is really good.
I own an Australian variant of the DRZ400 (DRZ400E), which I have been told is better than the US DRZ400S. Oil changes are as follows: 600, 4000, 7500, 11000, 15000. I try to avoid blacktop as much as possible with it, so it is not a big issue if you stay dirt.
I had considered a DR650 for adventure riding, but I think is more dirt touring. For that I would like the new CFMOTO 450MT, which I think is an IBEX in the US. It appears to be a cross between the DRZ and the DR, but modern and even more dirt touring friendly.
Very nice this windshield!! Good bike. O had a DR350 in Brasil. Good tarde Mark. Dont broke. Only put petrol and oil to enjoy😃
I rode my DR 650 on the prospector trail from Finland MN to Babbit MN the other day and it did great although I was sore afterwards. Lots of 4-6 inch rocks and washouts but sid did great with the kendas.
The Kenda K270s ?
@@edfeten4724257 classic. Pretty much a standard old knobby.
I had a DRZ S for a couple years, but ditched it when I found a mint E model (more power/lower weight) for a great price. I wasn't happy with the S on the road and wanted something lighter for dirt as well.
I subsequently found a DR650 that I heavily modified (including an 18" rear) for ADV use. Suspension mods are a must in my opinion.
Got a XCFW500 last year so sadly the E is relegated to trail maintenance days.
Nice! Yeah the DR definitely requires some upgrades, but can make for a one of a kind dual sport ADV!
Just sold a '22 DRz400e I'd previously owned 2 DR650's but wanted a bike more agile and still be ultra reliable. Honestly probably not my finest move I did purchase the 400 brand new only covered 2200kms (I live in Australia) Don't get me wrong the 400 is a fantastic bike but unless you are doing single track daily and a lot of off road stuff frequently I wouldn't buy one or recommend one. I've just purchased a '21 DR650SE with a rejetted carby and full exhaust and wow I can not believe how good it is. The bike is alive the low down grunt is addictive It does single track, highways, up hills, twisty roads all day with no complaints I can ride everything I could do on the 400 and be comfortable for days in the saddle. I will never go back to a 400!!
Great but if info there, thank you! I'd agree, the 650 is just a hard bike to beat, as it really can do it all very well. Highway, single track, it eats it all up with very little trouble!
@@danejames7098 yeah I didn’t encounter any over heating on technical stuff. I don’t think it’s very heavy but I’ve been riding/racing 37 years. My favorite past time is whopping blokes that ride euro trash while I’m on old Suzukis.
I think people put too much emphasis on the seat height when it comes to confidence. I was definitely one of those people. I am 5'8" 125lbs 30" inseam and I have gotten very comfortable with the 35" seat height on the CRF300L rally. I can only reach the ground with the toes on one foot. It's a trade off with less confidence at a traffic light but more confidence off road. I never doubt that I can climb over something without bottoming out and I never worry about dragging a pegs like I used to on other bikes.
Now for cornering speed I can't argue that lower is faster but I actually enjoy the feeling of cornering on a tall bike a lot and that's coming from someone who has a couple thousand miles on a stretched minibike lol.
I don't disagree. A low seat height can certainly make you lazy and cause you to catch yourself by putting your feet down, when you should really be figuring out how to control the bike at low speeds, while standing on the pegs. However, if your brand new and learning on your own like I was, tipping over or worrying about tipping over isn't much fun and can be discouraging. Learning to corner on gravel is also a bit sketchy on a taller bike, where the DR almost does it on it's own. I think a lot of it comes down to personal ambitions and riding terrain though.
@@SwankyCatProductions Figuring out personal ambition is huge. I bought my bike less than 30 days ago and rode about 15 miles on my 5 acre lot to learn low speed control. Never had an off road bike before. I lost count of how many times I fell before I went on the street. I thought I just wanted to explore the back roads and do some remote photography, I never thought I'd be doing single track trails but the thrill got me hooked.
😅 I think people don't put ENOUGH emphasis on the seat height when it comes to confidence. I am 5'3 with a 27-in inseam and for me to get comfortable with a 35-in seat height would be like asking you to get comfortable with a 38-in seat height. 😅
@@papatorr3669 I could be comfortable on a 45" tall seat. The seat height doesn't matter to me anymore. I wouldn't feel embarrassed to dismount the bike at stop lights and if the bike is going down I'm not going to risk breaking my ankle to catch it.
If you can get your hands on a DR350 for a test ride, you totally should do it. It had 6 gears!
And if you ever get the chance (and actually want to) *buy* a DR350, ProCycle sells a nifty little 440cc big bore kit. That and a bigger carb might be the bike you want. 6 gears, light bike, and a big enough engine.
I made a kdx200 light adv has same hp tq as the 400 but weighs 245 lbs
I have had 2 DR 350s. These are my absolute favorite dirt bikes but not race bikes. I use to race motocross and have had many race bikes and dirt bikes, but for just riding off road I liked the DR 350 best. With the 6-speed I went up 4 teeth on the rear sprocket which made it a goat and it would still do 70 - 75 mph. It has a lower gear then my buddy's XR 400 and about 10 mph more on top and that is with the lower gearing. I never had a problem with the bikes. Why Suzuki did not put a 6-speed trans in their DRZ is beyond me.
@@EricKoch-s5b Torture Test Magazine did a 24 hour endurance race on a dr200 and I think almost won except for a few setbacks. Should go watch his vids on that bike. It's 10% bike and 90% rider, right?
I've been watching for them! If they were still available new I'd be much more excited to build one. But either way, they do seem like an awesome option!
I have a DRZ400s now and am not sure I am totally satisfied. I never feel like i am in the right gear cruising the neighborhood. Dont think I would try a long rode ride with it. I did a tough trail ride on some muddy mountain trails, and it was challenging keeping it upright. The weight and height are not a good combo on tough terrain. I'm 6', 200lb. So I touch the ground ok on it, but can't flat foot. I can take my sons TTR230 and do those same trails all day long no problem.
So I am thinking the DR650 might be better for me. At least better for the roads and light trail riding. The lower center of gravity a major plus. And I could pick up a true dirt bike for some of the ATV parks, tough trails, etc. Maybe a KLX300R.
And I have Tusk Dsports on the DRZ. So not a tire issue for the trail rides.
Yeah the DR certainly feels much lighter than it is (due to the lower CG) and while the suspension is rather soft, it does make for a plush ride on the road! That being said, a lower lighter bike does make rough terrain seem much easier to tackle!
I had a DRZ. The only reason I sold it was due to medical bills. When I was ready to buy a new one, that’s when the 300s were released, so I went for that. You can definitely feel the new technology differences. The bikes are practically the same weight but the 300 feels lighter. The fuel injection and 6th gear is what really made me happy with my decision. However, I did have to dump about $2k+ into the 300 before I was completely happy with it. And I’m just an off road guy. I try to avoid Hwy riding at all cost. But if I do have to hit the Hwy I have no problem running 70mph since the bike tops out at 81mph. But as far as off roading goes, I’ll take the 300 over the 400 any day.
i have a dr650 full modded! love it. but i did buy a 2002 drz400e street legal'd project. fcr39 slant is not easy to rebuild
I've had a couple of DRZ400s, DR650s, WR250R/Xs, XT250s, EXC500Fs, a CFR450L, a Tenere 700, a KLX 300, and even a XL500. Currently I have a EXC350F. While still not perfect, it is my favorite. Has mildly annoying engine vibration but less than the 500s which were horrible. The seat needs to be replaced if you ever plan on sitting down, it needs the KTM skid plate which is extra, and the rear plastic sub-fender that holds the turn signals on needs its mounting screws drilled and safety wired so it won't fall off, and it needs real hand guards installed. It is incredibly good on dirt. So superior to the bigger heavier bikes on single track. Wish it had a Cush drive for street, but tolerable.
My drz is geared down. I respect an attempt for engine longevity, by not going over 55, and trailering it long distances. Even with stock gearing I had no desire to take it on the highway just because it winds out more than I like.
As nice as it is to be able to run at highway speeds, I honestly would ALWAYS rather take a county road. Less traffic, you can still hear the bike rather than the wind that's constantly tossing you around. Just a much, much more enjoyable experience in my opinion!
You would be surprised the abuse that little motor can withstand.
I bought a DRZ 350 few years back for 55$ bucks in good shape was just missing few top end bolts , needed a carb witch the DRZ 400 carb was perfect for it bike Was straight seat was great to , sometimes you just catch people at the exact perfect time they don’t need the money it was in the way supposedly. .. I just nodded and agreed thinking wow u gotta be kidding me…
Hell yea. Great video.
Thank you!
Maintenance intervals is a major consideration for me when I am looking at bikes. I checked multiple sources, and the DRZ-400 has 3500 mile oil change intervals, so not too bad.
Regarding the oil capacity, the 400 is liquid cooled, which means the toll on the oil is significantly less than on the air cooled 650. Basically, the 650 need more of the cooling to come from the oil, and the top end can become much hotter, so the oil degrade quicker. In addition, air cooled engines take longer to heat up the oil, and again cold oil cause more wear than warm oil, which again cause oil contamination.
Makes sense!
drz400 oil change interval is 6000km (3728 miles) suzuki recommends half intervals for offroad use so 3000km (1864 miles) this is the exact same recommendation as for the dr650.
keep in mind air cooled bikes can be much harder on oil temperature wise.
personally i change the oil on my drz400e at half interval 3000km regardless but having the 6000km interval gives me peace of mind if i'm on an adv ride and i have to stretch my interval past the normal 3000km a bit.
Just bought a 2016 xr650l. The torque is amazing.
Awesome bike enjoy
I wish Yamaha made a WR350R
DRZ owner here, if you rode a TW200 for thousands of miles before getting your DRZ then you dont mind the buzzy engine at highway speeds, had mine going 90 for miles at a time, pass people no issue, on the other hand the TW is wrapped out full rrrrs and still no power to pass or go over maybe 65 LOL. DR650 was a pass for me because of the weight but i like the lower wider seat for sure. Still think about just getting a DR and keeping all 3 bikes.
Perspective is key! It's been really interesting to hear how others opinions differ on bikes I ride because of the ones they've had experience on beforehand. I think I do owe the DRZ another try and would be really interested to see which feels more comfortable to me at stock height!
I'm in the same boat! Love the TW, but I shy away from highways (where people want to go 65+) and would never dare to get on the Interstate, but I can take the DRZ those places and still go off-road. The extra clearance has gotten me up some deeply rutted singletrack where the TW is dragging foot pegs on the sides, and the HP has run me up stuff my old tired TW can't pull me up. For the rest of the off-road riding though, the TW is just as great as long as I keep it slow. I suspect most of that middle-ground would be fine on the DR650, and I'd be more comfortable getting there.
I've owned both 400sm and 400e. The e was better for me and just hope they add efi, 6th cog, bigger tank and updated dash.
Saying that, if price or weight goes up too much for new emmission regs then leave it be. I haven't tried the 650....yet 😉
Yeah, I'm pretty interested to see what they're doing with it! I'm also hoping they do a bit more than just add EFI and new plastics, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see!
The two issues with the Suziki DR650. 1. Air Cooled, I've seen the exhaust pipe glowing red hot while trail riding slow technical mud hole trails with my riding friend on his DR650, he would have to stop and let the DR cool down, at the same time my KLR650 would still be running cool. 2. The gas tank on the DR650 is way too small, after about 3 to 4 hours of trail riding my friend would have to switch to Reserve and head out to go look for a gas station, while on my KLR I can trail ride all day long on one tank of gas. Even though the KLR is a little heavier than the DR650 that is because of the bigger gas tank and the radiator than the DR and the KLR have about the power output and the speeds you can ride are the same, he can't loose me and I can't loose him. Speed your money on tires, tires are the main factor in acceleration / traction and not getting stuck in the mud. The big 650 single cylinder motors chug though the mud like tractors with the right rear tire. Both bikes need the carbs rejetted, and performance mufflers.
Drs are actually oil cooled and stay incredibly cool all the time. XR650Ls areair cooled but drs have a large oil capacity and the oil is routed through the engine like coolant then through an oil cooler. Your buddies had stock jetting probably which is lean and causes the pipe to glow. Once jetted correctly you can beat them through uphill rock gardens while riding the clutch for an hour straight and it will never get too hot.
Suzuki DR’s are AIR Cooled. Just like my Harley Davidson 1880 cc Vtwin is, and like my Harley it also has a large oil capacity 4 qts. and an OIL Cooler also.
Both my Harley and your DR are primarily AIR Cooled.
i'm a kawasaki suzuki tech and what ever you saw is in your head , no glowing exhaust , i owed this bike and a drz 400 , the klr is 70 lbs heavier , and is a good bike , but honestly too heavy when compared , change the seat and gear a drz to sm gearing and your good to go , if you need to change the tank , at 120 lbs lighter come on .
Found the opposite true when I crossed the Simpson Desert in Australia with my brother in law. His KLR was getting hot while the DR ran cool. I could touch the exhaust of my DR at the end of a day's riding. Sounds like your friends DR was poorly jetted. They love the DR's out here in Australia because they can handle extreme conditions so well. The KLR's are popular too but less robust with a weak subframe and fairing.
I had a gen1 KLR for 3 years. I had to put new springs because the thing wouldn't like to go fast on dirt no matter I'm a slim guy. It would be a great adventure bike but all I was doing was trail riding and as we all know it's a heavy bike. I sold it and got a brand new ´22 DRZ. I only miss the comfort and torque of the KLR but couldn't be more happy with the swap. I don't think I'll ever be selling the DRZ.
Greetings,
As always another brilliant detailed video production 🇺🇲🍾🎉🇺🇲
Keep producing more videos about the DRZ!!!??
I have not decided yet on the drz (I have a 2023DR) I want to try something little lighter DRZ 290lbs after weight reduction.
Ben
Leave the DRZ400 , and keep experimenting with the 650's
I am a longtime Honda rider and IMO the XR is the better bike and after you dropped it's height I think is still the better steed.
A Himalayan is a more soft trail adventure bike and will mot perform as well as the DR but it does have great suspension by all reports.
Still suggest to put heavier weight fork oil in the DR and see the difference 15W will make a marked change.
I'll definitely keep the 650s for a while yet. Once they're done though, I want to compare them to some sort of competitor. Either a similar build on a different bike, or something prebuilt for adventure like the Himalayan. I don't doubt that the 650s would be better, but it would be fun to test them and find out. Might also help direct people to bikes like the DR or XR!
I'm actually in the same position with you.
I'm considering a drz 434 and a klx 351, for my next project. Mabey with 16/39 sproket and a rekluse clutch.
I'll be happy to see those projects.
For me, even the drz are still too havey when the trail Gen gnarly...
So the 650s are not a consideration...
I feel like DR650’s are like fingerprints. Because of how customizable they are, no two are ever the same. I think I’ve gotten mine to the point where it’s in the Goldilocks zone for me. It would probably feel very different for another rider. P.S. I would keep my eyes peeled for the new KTM adventure that’s coming out. It should be very comparable to a DR as far as capability goes.
Yeah they certainly are great bikes to mold into something that fits your specific needs! The KTM 390 ADV? Or something else?
@@SwankyCatProductions yep, the next gen ktm 390 adv is supposed to be more off-road focused! The spy shots look pretty good.
Yessir......build it and they will come. I like your perspective. You understand that maybe you didn't give the old drz a fair shake and maybe it's worth revisiting. Although I love the bigger adventure bikes, I think you are making videos for your average every day working man, and these thumpers are ridden by people who've been riding dirtbikes since they were kids. Adventure bikes kinda speak to a different audience because the average working man can't afford that 7 million dollar BMW. Ha. Great video sir. I didn't even cry when you were beating down the drz. Jk.
Thanks! Yeah there's definitely some overlap between dual sport and adventure guys but we are slightly different breeds, and I'm just too cheap to be a real adventure guy haha. Haha, I'm glad I wasn't too hard on the DRZ for you. I think it certainly has its purpose and is an awesome bike... Would definitely be interesting to see what I thought of it now!
Gday Swanky Cat, love my DR 650 was wondering where you got your front sceen set up?
Wisconsin sure looks beautiful!! Skip the dated and small DRZ, stick with the 450 MT and Royal enfield...be sure to review all the DR and XR Mods...
Overall Suzuki looking like the better all-Rounder...in this size/price range. Lets see what a new set of springs and rear shock does for the DR please~? Don't miss the music at all BTW, like Thumper sounds better ;-)
This is the "why I love the DR650 and had a hard time with the DRZ-400" review/explanation that I've been waiting for. Thank you!
You make a lot of great points. I've not ridden a DR650 but I've wondered about many of them.
I can take the DR-Z400S on all the highways and interstates around here, but I don't like going 80 and the bike is super buzzy even at 60-65+. Sometimes it is a little tiresome getting my leg over the bike, and in some sketchy places I've nearly had a spill as I struggled to get a foot down but... Could I have done the same sketchy trail with a heavier bike with lower clearance? That is hard to say.
Another hit against the DRZ-400S is like the XR650, the weight is higher, and that makes the bike feel heavier when leveraging it up, or holding it up when it is leaning over.
At the end of the day, I like being able to ride my motorcycle to the trails and go exploring. I mostly stick to ATV+ roads, and shy away from the more risky trails that really need a light weight dirt bike. I don't do jumps, but I have really appreciated the DR-Z400S suspension eating up some rough spots that I came up on too fast to stop that I'm sure I would have eaten and thrown my TW200. Sure, the fix for that is go slower, but there are some rough forest roads around here that you would have to crawl over with lesser suspension.
I don't think I'll swap the DR-Z, it has been such a boost to my exploring range and capability over the TW200 (mostly because I can keep up with traffic pulling up the canyon roads), but maybe someday I can add a DR650 to my garage. It is nice that it falls under 649cc for those who don't have the "any size" endorsement to ride.
If you could ride with someone who has a DRZ-400 and do a back to back swap on road and off-road with them, that would be a great taste without committing to a DRZ-400 build.
I just bought another DRZ after owning loads of other bikes.
There’s just no other bike like a DRZ. It’s in a class of its own and the 650’s just can’t compare in terms of its off road potential. My DRZ has 27k miles and cost me $2800 as well.
You and I both brother. Klx's, CRF's, WR's and a few adventure bikes and I just picked up a 22 Drz and couldn't be happier. This one will stay.
I'd probably agree. I just rode my XR & DR on some single track and realized how much better the XR felt. It's kind of the opposite out on the road, which is also what I noticed about the DR vs DRZ.
SR650 with EFI and switchable ABS would be perfect and I would buy one tomorrow !!!
Yeah!
Dr650s come jetted obscene lean, if you put a 45 pilot and 150 main jet in it, even with the stock exhuast, bin the snorkel, its a diffrent bike, it just sorts it
Fcr39 pumper carb is a must with the drz400. Slip on exhaust and 3x3 mod. Power comes on immediately. Redo the gearing if doing alot of highway.
Totally different animal from stock drz
Sounds like I need to try one!
A 2000 DRZ400 kick-start only would save all that work. Finding one in good mechanical condition would be a unicorn.
@@T.S.-eo7myyou can add a Kickstart to any drz400
@@MarkSpalding-qc7ym OP is talking about the 400E model with hotter cams and about 20% more stock horsepower.
@@MarkSpalding-qc7ym Can’t remove the starter sprag clutch assembly from any E,S, or SM models. 💡2000-2004 DRZ400 base model (kick-start only) had no starter, starter sprag clutch, torque limiter, starter motor, start switch, battery, nor the space to put any of that stuff. The E-start system (on any moto) adds quite a bit of weight to the machine.
Did you have to pay extra for that yellow headlight?
There's speculation that maybe a replacement is coming for the DRZ400. Check out the new video from Chronicles of Solid.
Also note that a 2025 model year option is MISSING from Suzuki's website, however, a 2025 DR650 IS listed.
Do the 400. Round out the comparison
Seems like there's some interest!
my DRZ400sm would bang out on the highway @ 80 all day. had all the mods tho. only replaced it with a 701sm cuz it got stolen
Never tap the fuel nozzle, could cause a spark in a place you don’t want one. A shake and a wipe is safer.
Huh, yeah I suppose that's a good point!
on the oil, had a dr650 for years, every oil change dump it replace filter and add 2 quarts and your done.
Nice! Thanks for the data!!!
Your link for the windshield and GPS mount shows it for a TE 701. Is this the one you have. It's a great idea for the DR. Thank you for your videos I enjoy the reviews.
Never mind I click on the wrong link!
The DRZ has roots in competition bikes. The 650 is made from the ground up as a dualsport.
The DRZ is a really interesting bike. One of the new ones that has grabbed my interest is the CFMoto 450 MT. Again, I'm not a road rider, but if I were...
The way you've built that 650, it's pretty much perfect for the type of riding you do. Nice work... it' looks wicked cool too. I think you've mentioned this before, but you do prefer the XR over the DR650 in its current state, right?
I'd really like to try a CF MOTO! Especially the 450, but I'm a little afraid of the backlash for buying a Chinese bike... Hopefully I can get over that someday though lol.
Thank you! I'm pretty happy with the DR as well! The XR just has the right sound and snap that makes it feel just a tad more fun. That being said the DR is also an awesome bike with plenty of grunt!
The CFMoto 450 is a road-biased adventure bike with adequate easy off-road performance, it's miles away from being a dual sport. It's sheer weight and size plus the expense of actually throwing it down a rocky hill takes it out of the dual-sport category. I failed miserably to get it around the easiest loop on our local enduro trail which I can easily do on my sons 1996 KMX 125 trail bike. A unicorn it isn't.
@@jimtitt3571 I've not ridden one... nor have I seen one in the wild. Thanks for your info... Good to know.
I’d love to see you get a DRZ400, and possibly an SM model. Try knobby tires on the 17’s vs. the 18/21 combo, and see if makes sense for how you ride to have one set or the other more. The SM is lower, even with 18/21 wheels, so maybe it would fit you better anyway. I’m seriously looking at getting one myself, and because I can only realistically have one bike at a time, I need it to do everything, even if it isn’t ideal for everything. I’m mostly a street rider, so the SM seems ideal for me, and with some knobbier tires, I think it could be fun for some light off roading as well.
Stick with the 650. Both great, but the 650 is a small bit more versatile and slightly better in most normal day to day work. The 400 is awesome but id take the 650 every time. Suspension on the 400 is a bit better stock, but once you get some EMU's and/or rear shock swap, the dr setup is pretty sweet. The key to the 650 is that low torque, its so damn forgiving. Ive been stuck in some thick $&*% and just chugged through or up it. Plunk plunk plunk and idle your way through almost any slop.
You mention you used to own a Honda XR650L. Do you prefer the DR650 to the XR650? If so, have you made a comparison video on the differences? Great video btw I’ve always wondered what the difference of these 2 Suzukis are.
Hey mate, where did you get the mount for the tablet.
They're in a few spots, the video description, and also in the top pinned comment from me. Here's the install video I did as well. I ordered it for a 701 Enduro, so it should have come with brackets for a 1 1/8" fat bar, like I have on my modded DR, but they sent me the wrong brackets. I made them work but also let the seller know, and now they sent me the right ones. So if you decide to pick one up, just make sure you pick the right one for your handlebar diameter, and then cross your fingers you get the right size I suppose, haha.
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If they bring out the fuel injected drz that is rumoured get on the waitlist early and you will have something to make content with for several years and get good views and ad revenue. Keep on making videos, I enjoy your content.
Please do the build and comparison with the DRZ-400 and the DR650!
I have both, 22 dr and 09 drz, love em both. If your gona stay on road and over 65 dr, if you're really dualsporting drz is so much better offroad, suspension and 50 pounds lighter is Hugh difference.
It seems like there's definitely some interest!
Former KLX400 owner here - a green DRZ 🙂 I like your handlebar-mounted GPS mount. Can you provide a link to that item?
Nice!!! I've always wanted one of those, but have only seen one or two over the years. Thanks! Me too! Here's affiliate links to one for a stock 7/8" handlebar and another for a 1 1/8" fat handlebar.
Windshield for 1 1/8" Handlebars: amzn.to/3Tkd1WS
Windshield for 7/8 Handlebars: amzn.to/3z010yT
Why not pick up a DRZ350se? I have heard many people prefer them to the DRZ400. the later years even have a 6th gear that the 650 desperately needs.
I've also heard that they're an awesome bike! The DRZ mainly interests me because I want to see if I've got them remembered correctly, but also because they're still available.
@SwankyCatProductions as a DR650 owner whos dropped my bike in the sandy single track a few times, the idea of a DR like bike that only weighs 286 pounds but can still go highway speeds because of a 6th gear is very attractive. If only it still had a lower seat height like the 650
How about the new DRZ400 that's gotten a patent registration? The old one is no longer being registered with the EPA, or carb supposedly.
I would rather see you on a Himalayan 450 than on the DRZ400. Comparing modern tech to the old thumpers would be interesting, thanks
IMO ditch the DRZ, a new one is on the way and a review/build series on the new bike will always generate more clicks.
Plus the KTM390 ADV, and possibly Enduro are due soon.
No doubt other “unicorn” challengers will be on the near horizon as well.
The DR650 is tried and true but out of the box less than what it can be, a build series on it will be fun for you but I doubt you could cover any unique ground. Ultimately you would be playing to the choir, I’m my opinion, I’d still watch but it would probably only appeal to a limited audience.
If you do the DR try a 790 swap with a Nova gearbox, that’s a build I’ve love to see.
Hay Ben ! .....
I'ed like to see the Himalayan 450 get under you ! the DRZ400 not so much.
simply because they screwed up badly on the DRZ in my opinion. seat height, valve shims
and alot of other stuff....and it's price was not completive being several hundreds of dollars more. than the competition.
if you would have done a comparison of the CSC RX4 a few years back you would have saved me alot of money..... it's weight and high center of gravity was a major turn off to me
I had no idea that they would make a 450cc bike that heavy ! however I found out real fast that it felt as heavy as a VT1100 Honda !!!! Darn near imposable to pick up !....
I sold it and got the XR650L and have never looked back. I would have gotten a DR650 but they are near imposable to find here !
.... and Yes ...when you see a deer SLOW Down because there are 5 more that you don't see
I've never hit one but it's been soo close I had one jump over me and my bike doing 70mph !
never hit one yet... but I've had many instances where they made themselves a moving target !!! .....amd at 70mph the paramedics would have a hard time determining which part is human and which part is Deer..... a grizzly thought,... but one you should be aware of riding a motorcycle !
Ben, the rumor mill is saying: EFI in 2025 for the DRZ. Maybe that CF Moto 450 Ibex?
What State are you in? It’s nice to have all those places to go Ride on Trails.
Would be great to compare dr to drz but you need to do the gearing right and fit a lowering bar on the rear suspension on drz. Both engine s are bulletproof but prefer air cooled dr
Gearing as in the sprockets correct? I don't think I'm ready to pull any transmissions apart yet 😂.
What windshield kit is that?
I think you should get the Husqvarna 500 dual sport bike.
I'd say check out the Himalayan 450.
I thought the Dr650 is air and oil cooled
Back in 2005 I had a 2001 Dr-z 400s It was a complete turd for some reason. I tried to regear it and It just wouldn't be what I wanted it to be, it comes down to personal experience and preference. I prefer my Xr650 over anything else. My biggest complaint is wind protection.
Yeah, as much as I like the DR, and I really really do! The XR is just a BEAST! haha.
I have had 3 drz400 models. The only thing the Dr650 is better at than the drz400, is the Highway ! That is it.
Nothing else is comparable
I think it depends where and how hard/fast your riding. I rode my DR next to my XR on some single track and quickly realized how much better the XR handled. Out on the road or at a slower pace, I think it's the exact opposite. I'd assume it'd be pretty similar with the DR & DRZ.
If you ride single track, Your Dr650 isn't comparable to a drz400 ! That is where the Drz400 excels over the bigger 650's by light year's !
Only thing better about the Dr650 an Xr650 is highway speeds ! That's it lol
If you are offroading at all, The Suzuki drz400 is better in All area's off pavement.
I believe this is the consensus with anyone who has ridden all models.
Why are you putting 91 octane in there? It's a low compression motor. No wonder it doesn't feel snappy to you. Higher octane burns slower as it's meant for high compression motors or forced induction motors. Manual calls for 87...
They both are great bikes, they’re just made for different purposes and not really comparable.
Agreed!
Have you done a review on the Carpuride? If not could you please.
I have! Not on the W702 Pro version that's on the DR yet, but the original W702 version on my XR is very similar. The pro version just has a few extra features like automatically adjusting the brightness (which seems a tad to bright to me still) a built in compass that can be used without a cellphone, a built in barometer, & the ability to connect two Bluetooth headsets to it for either music sharing or intercom. Carpuride W702 Review: ruclips.net/video/s3Yb7O1Ndlk/видео.html
Leave the DRZ for now. The 450 Himalayan is a hot bike right now, and there are a lot of videos on it out there.
I think you should get some videos out upgrading the springs on the DR650 pronto!!
I put the tank bag in my cart at Rocky Mountain.
The 450 does seem like a pretty hard bike to beat for the price! Probably not as capable as the 650s but it'd be fun to see what I could make it do! Nice! Thanks for the support!
Am I missing something here? Did you not have a DR650 previously (and did some direct comparisons with your XR650L)?
He’s riding that bike in this video.
@@CodyAsh86 Right.... The title of the post seems like he just bought (or bought another) DR650...
Oh my gawd, I need that GPS mount for my bike.
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I got the DRZ 250 it weighs only 250 and goes 72 on the highway but I think I need a KTM 500 to add to my collection bc it weighs the same at 250 lbs
DRZ owner here. I’m gonna be frank. No comparison between the bikes. Two different machines. Don’t bother with the DRZ, as we’ve just spent the last half hour listening to you selling yourself on the 650, and by way of your riding style, seems the right tool for the job….maybe even a Himalayan or GS. Clearly seeking comfort, and that’s alright. Just that the DRZ is a motocross (not a single track) bike with road lights, powered by the front lung out of a TL1000 sport bike…that masquerades as dual sport by way of its pillion pegs, legit tripmeter and low slung factory handlebars. You want a real eye-opener to contrast the DR650 experience with? Seek out a ‘91 or newer XR250L.
That is a very good point! The DRZ specs and from what I can remember, certainly do make it seem like it's not really the right choice for my trails and riding ambitions. That being said though, as much as I love my DR, and I do! I actually have a lot more fun on my XR650L, and that bike reminds me a bit of the DRZ...
Lol! A motocross bike 100lbs over weight!
I never knew a set of blinkers and handlebars could way 100lbs!
Get the Himalayan or the cheapest oldest DR350 you can find next.
Always interesting to me that the DR650 gets the same fuel economy as the drz400
Halfway around the world on my DR. You need Cogent suspension
One thing about Deers on the road....there is often more than one
DRZ400SM, with a second set of wheels for off road.
I would like to try an SM!