45 rpm, ugh, my excitement went from 10 to 2. I'm more of a collector who loves jazz, not an audiophile. Still enjoyed your video on this topic though!
About ERC, there was one time a year and a half ago when FOMO made me lose my mind and I bought ERC’s mono pressing of Portrait in Jazz. I immediately regretted it and sold it sealed on eBay to a flipper for an amount that would cover what I paid (after eBay fees, etc). That flipper has been trying to sell it on eBay ever since and nobody is buying it. I got lucky and will NEVER do something that dumb again.
Nice overview and recommendations. I may get Giant Steps and if they do Ornette Coleman’s This is Our Music or the Coltrane-Cherry, I would be interested. But overall, I suspect I will be sitting out on this series - Mike
The 1975 Atlantic reissue of Mingus’ “Blues and Roots” was mastered and cut by George Piros and sounds PHENOMINAL. Can be found for half what the 45rpm will be, and allows one to stay in the frenzy Mingus whips us into for longer periods of time! 😂
The prices of new vinyl these days are going through the roof even for the so called standard vinyl pressings, while these are special editions I still cannot swallow US$60 per release. I am one of those with both vinyl and CD collections and tend to swing between them depending on a release. I noticed lately my CD collection expanded at the much higher rate than vinyl. Oh well…
Bought the Coltrane Jazz Japanese reissue from 2019 (in a local record store). There are several titles and these are great reissues if you find them. The John Lewis Afternoon In Paris album was just reissued on Sam Records and they are all top notch as well.
I’d be interested in seeing some Hank Crawford, Ray Bryant, Jimmy Giuffre, and even Les McCann. Lavern Baker. Milt Jackson and Ray Charles Soul Brothers. Is there a Mose Allison they might pick? Love the video. I have an OG copy of Wednesdays Child and the Here Comes Phineas- but I agree it would be cool to hear 45 rpm repress. Anyway, awesome video. You’re becoming one of the best voices in jazz appreciation on RUclips. You’re at the top of my list. Keep going! And thank you.
I gotta say, this Acoustic Sounds Atlantic reissue program is for Boomers IMO. Phil Collins?! Does anyone need a double 45 RPM at $60? I predict a lot of these won't sell well. I think there will be some popular titles, but $60 records will not fly off the shelf. That Covid era fad is slowing down and there's so many reissues happening that buyers are getting more choosey. Anyway, great videos as always, just wanted to chime in with some pessimism :) Just give us $40 audiophile reissues of the titles we want.
I'm with you on Blues and Roots. I picked up the Speakers Corner Mingus pressings earlier and that one album isn't among them. Giant Steps sure feels like a no brainer, too. Last novel pressing was what? The Mono box.
I am/was a series subscriber with Acoustic Sounds for quite a few years. I was given first dibs but I decided not too sign up, I've pre-ordered a handful of classic rock titles but I couldn't see myself signing up for the entire series. Never had a decent copy of Phil Collins' "Face Value"!
A little frustrating for me... I'd love to own these 45 RPM, all-analog pressings, but I already own the Coltrane Atlantic Mono box which includes four of the new releases, and I've also purchases the Rhino Coltrane's Jazz and the 60th Anniversary 2-disc release of My Favorite Things released last year. I suspect the new ones won't be that much better than the Rhino and My Favorite Things, but be much better than the Mono box.... maybe. I'll look at the Coltrane Jazz, but there's an older Grundman cut from Rhino (33RPM) that is half the price. We'll see.
At these prices, I’m going to consider it only to fill gaps (like maybe my poor condition copy of Coltrane Plays the Blues, and then Blues & Roots only because I love it so much. Can’t get ‘em all
I will probably pass on the Jazz titles for this Atlantic 75/ Analogue Productions series. If Chad did Ornette Coleman then that would be my preference. I am going for two titles that are not Jazz related.
What about the incredible records by the Jimmy Giuffre 3 with Jim Hall? They are amazing records and would really benefit from a reissue as I find it hard to get really quiet copies!
Don’t get me wrong here .. I live all genres of music but I have most of those jazz titles already and to shell out $60 for 5 Foreigner and 5 Bad company titles isn’t necessary
That being said if I may be bold enough to recommend the Genesis album Selling England by the Pound and Yes Close to the Edge both fantastic music and classic British progressive music. Both Phil Collins and Bill Bruford the drummers are both accomplished jazz drummers , Collins in Brand X and Check Brufords discography. The guitar solo on SENTP album song Firth of Fifth is worth the album alone and CTTE a stone cold classic. Both albums have elements of jazz. As a bonus listen to a band called Renaissance album Scheherazade, a mix of classical music , jazz , Annie Hallam the singer has an angelic voice
The first Atlantic Jazz artist that comes to mind: Jean Luc Ponty. His albums has never ever been released by an audiophile label on Hybrid SACD or LP. Among the finest fusion music ever recorded, yet never taken into account by audiophile labels, for whatever reason.
Arc Records, the sublabel of Gilles Peterson’s Brownswood Recordings, are also doing an Atlantic reissue series. Given Mr. Peterson’s impeccable taste, this will probably include more interesting titles. Lateef’s “Detroit” and Roach’s “Members…” are out already! 1LP, 33rpm. Great!
The ERC Giant Steps is mono Still I might sell that if the Stereo is great (although mono is the best setting as the stereo has the the wide separation which can be an issue) Have plenty of originals and remasters from the last 20 years
I thought most of their stuff went up in flames a few years ago. I need to watch his video announcement because I missed it. I'll finish yours then head over to Chad's.
The existing double which will be 4 discs is Genesis, The lamb lies down on Broadway. I think 45RPM is a mistake in general. Some prog songs will need to be split in two and put on separate sides. The artists recorded these albums to play through on one side, the flow can be ruined changing the album every 8 minutes. So I am out on these releases
For anyone that is curious, the double-album is Genesis - Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. Also, the 90 number comes from a separate partnership with Rhino. Those will be 33RPM and on colored vinyl. As far as we know, so far, there is no Zeppelin in the Acoustic Sounds list. BUT, they have only put up 70 for pre-order, so far. The five Zepp on the Atlantic label could fill those in nicely. This leaves out the 4 Swam Song albums. I know, not Jazz, but I know some of us listen to more than jazz.
In a reply to my question on Chad's video with Michael 45 he also clarified that those 90 albums that Atlantic is doing on clear vinyl are separate from there remasters he said they don't know who's remastering those
I have the Atlantic Coltrane 45's mastered by B Grundman released by ORG Music - OLE, My Favorite Things, Coltrane Jazz, Coltrane Sound, Bags and Trane. Would the AP release use the same plates.
I would say no because they have not listed Bernie grunman as one of their mastering engineers it sounds like he is probably using as many classic plates as possible
Hey! The reason why Steve Davis is on a lot of albums is because they did a lot of recording in October 1960. I think the dates were like 20 until 26, I can’t remember, but “My Favorite Things”, “Coltrane Plays the Blues”, “Coltrane’s Sound”, all came from that session. The later two came out I think without his permission because he was already over at Impulse! Same crap Bob Weistock was doing to him with Presige. Putting albums out without his consent. A lot he was the sideman, but they made him the leader on the album.
Chad mentioned he can’t do too many titles by one artist for the 75 total which will take at least 3 years to do (2 lps a month) Think Coltrane, Ray Charles, Genesis, Yes You won’t get the complete discography - at least now. Poetic Champions Compose, the Mingus cd box set and the Ray mono boxset have all the lps
Hi, nice review and discussion. On the coltrane, you mentioned the previous 45rpm releases, the question is : will they use the same metal part as those or will they cut new lacquers from tape. Acoustic sounds bought "classic records" and some say they got the metal parts with it. This might explain the list content... j from Paris
I get the sense that is exactly what will happen, as Bernie did most of the mastering for Classic Records and many of the titles so far listed in this series were put out by Classic Records. The Miles Davis Stereo 33 1/3 and 45 RPM releases from those metal parts recently released by Chad are excellent!
I don't think the marketplace can sustain this --this isn't 2020, with COVID checks to burn. My hunch is demand for this type of "luxury product" is going to begin bottoming out.
As mentioned in your video, I think this goes way too fast. People can't keep up anymore, about half of the Coltrane's I picked up over the last few years are newer versions you mentioned. And again a new version ? Pass on most. I 'll take some Mingus for sure. And saying Atlantic is saying Led Zeppelin. They come for sure, if the details are worked out with Jimmy Page and management.
Very rich review, wonderful job! I’m biased to John Coltrane & Don Cherry - The Avant-Garde, since it was my first coltrane cd over 30 years ago. The tunes were always in my head, so this one would be great to have on 45 rpm w/ good mastering, especially since it’s more angular and irregular type of jazz, which makes it more artistic and innovative than pleasing the consuming masses. I love Mingus releases and I would always collect them, such a great musician and composer. I want to listen more to Chris Connor albums, this is the second time I hear you talk about her. I think she’s to you like Helen Merril to me, I collected all of her work, especially the one w/ Clifford Brown. I hope AP would watch your videos and learn from your vast knowledge in jazz!
So glad you mentioned Wednesday s child Tom Talbot fantastic ., remember having lunch w him wen I had a six week field period trying to assist Tom Dowd and .Nes .wonderful thst Teddy .Charles recorded tge difficult music of george Russell .George Wellington composed Way Out There which was recorded by chris Connor on her first album for Atlantic . Chris is all to forgotten and some of her work is innovative . I hope LaVerne Baker , Ruth Brown ,Joe Turner are included .
Thanks for the overview. I love Atlantic (who doesn't?), but I'm not sure I under$tand the rea$oning behind this 75 $eries. The first thing I thought when I glanced at the list was: Haven't some of these been remastered and reissued in high quality pressings by Atlantic/WEA/Rhino in recent years? Yes, as you point out, they have. Also, I'm not a fan of listening to LPs remastered at 45 rpm, since the whole purpose of LPs was to extend the running time to 15-20 minutes per side -- especially useful for jazz musicians who want room to stretch out. If I want to listen to something one or two tracks at a time, I have Roon and CD shuffle play (and other people have 7-inch 45 rpm singles!). To break up the flow of albums that were conceived and sequenced by the artists for the original release seems a little counterproductive (maybe even disrespectful?) to me. If there are good 33 1/3 rpm remasters available for $30-$40 (rather than 45s at $60+) I'd be interested. Maybe Rhino will do those... I looked at my "Homage à Nesuhi" CD box set for some other Atlantic jazz (and jazz-ish) ideas. Les McCann and Eddie Harris ("Compared to What"), of course -- and the Ray Charles/Milt Jackson "Soul Brothers" and "Soul Meeting." The two Ornette Coleman records before "Shape of Jazz to Come" are worthy: "Something Else!!!" and "Tomorrow is the Question!" (anything with exclamation points). Rahsaan Roland Kirk has a few titles, and there's John Lewis's classic "Wonderful World of Jazz" (with "Two Degrees East, Three Degrees West"), plus a couple Ray Bryant albums. Also two titles by The Freedom Sounds featuring Wayne Henderson (a Jazz Crusaders side project). And that Sonny Stitt melting face cover you mention was "Stitt Plays Bird."
45 rpm, ugh, my excitement went from 10 to 2. I'm more of a collector who loves jazz, not an audiophile. Still enjoyed your video on this topic though!
About ERC, there was one time a year and a half ago when FOMO made me lose my mind and I bought ERC’s mono pressing of Portrait in Jazz. I immediately regretted it and sold it sealed on eBay to a flipper for an amount that would cover what I paid (after eBay fees, etc). That flipper has been trying to sell it on eBay ever since and nobody is buying it. I got lucky and will NEVER do something that dumb again.
Me too; I bought also but unfortunately I didn’t sell It.
Great choices. I'll add Roland Kirk's The Inflated Tear
Nice overview and recommendations. I may get Giant Steps and if they do Ornette Coleman’s This is Our Music or the Coltrane-Cherry, I would be interested. But overall, I suspect I will be sitting out on this series - Mike
Can’t get ‘em all, and with so many of these titles having quality reissues already in the 45rpm format….I dunno it’s just kind of been done
Impex just repress to this is our music on a double 45 and it's fantastic
Totally agree. They missed it on this one.
@@chelillingworth9466 I think you’re referring to the ORG double 45
Freddie hubbard back splash and coltrane don cherry is a real sleeper excellent album
Would love to see Ornette Coleman- this is our music
One of the coolest album covers ever!!
Impex just repressed it on 45
@@chelillingworth9466 not seen any impex of this title, ORG presses it about 10 years ago on 2x45
The 1975 Atlantic reissue of Mingus’ “Blues and Roots” was mastered and cut by George Piros and sounds PHENOMINAL. Can be found for half what the 45rpm will be, and allows one to stay in the frenzy Mingus whips us into for longer periods of time! 😂
The prices of new vinyl these days are going through the roof even for the so called standard vinyl pressings, while these are special editions I still cannot swallow US$60 per release.
I am one of those with both vinyl and CD collections and tend to swing between them depending on a release. I noticed lately my CD collection expanded at the much higher rate than vinyl. Oh well…
Enough already! I'm collecting vinyl records, and new ones just keep coming. When will this end? :D
I think many of these are from the "Classic" series and AP has the metal work?
Just had Backlash delivered this week new, Pure Pleasure on 180G. Interesting that Rhino are also doing a collaboration for 75 years, and VMP
I've collected Atlantic for over 30 years. This is Awesome!!!
I'm with you on the Chris Connor comments, would love to see them reissued but yeah, probably won't be :(
So glad you are a fan !
Bought the Coltrane Jazz Japanese reissue from 2019 (in a local record store). There are several titles and these are great reissues if you find them. The John Lewis Afternoon In Paris album was just reissued on Sam Records and they are all top notch as well.
Oh good point! I forgot about that Sam reissue
I’d be interested in seeing some Hank Crawford, Ray Bryant, Jimmy Giuffre, and even Les McCann. Lavern Baker. Milt Jackson and Ray Charles Soul Brothers. Is there a Mose Allison they might pick? Love the video. I have an OG copy of Wednesdays Child and the Here Comes Phineas- but I agree it would be cool to hear 45 rpm repress. Anyway, awesome video. You’re becoming one of the best voices in jazz appreciation on RUclips. You’re at the top of my list. Keep going! And thank you.
You are totally correct. I would too.
I gotta say, this Acoustic Sounds Atlantic reissue program is for Boomers IMO. Phil Collins?! Does anyone need a double 45 RPM at $60? I predict a lot of these won't sell well. I think there will be some popular titles, but $60 records will not fly off the shelf. That Covid era fad is slowing down and there's so many reissues happening that buyers are getting more choosey. Anyway, great videos as always, just wanted to chime in with some pessimism :) Just give us $40 audiophile reissues of the titles we want.
I'm with you on Blues and Roots. I picked up the Speakers Corner Mingus pressings earlier and that one album isn't among them. Giant Steps sure feels like a no brainer, too. Last novel pressing was what? The Mono box.
I am/was a series subscriber with Acoustic Sounds for quite a few years. I was given first dibs but I decided not too sign up, I've pre-ordered a handful of classic rock titles but I couldn't see myself signing up for the entire series. Never had a decent copy of Phil Collins' "Face Value"!
A little frustrating for me... I'd love to own these 45 RPM, all-analog pressings, but I already own the Coltrane Atlantic Mono box which includes four of the new releases, and I've also purchases the Rhino Coltrane's Jazz and the 60th Anniversary 2-disc release of My Favorite Things released last year. I suspect the new ones won't be that much better than the Rhino and My Favorite Things, but be much better than the Mono box.... maybe. I'll look at the Coltrane Jazz, but there's an older Grundman cut from Rhino (33RPM) that is half the price. We'll see.
At these prices, I’m going to consider it only to fill gaps (like maybe my poor condition copy of Coltrane Plays the Blues, and then Blues & Roots only because I love it so much. Can’t get ‘em all
I will probably pass on the Jazz titles for this Atlantic 75/ Analogue Productions series. If Chad did Ornette Coleman then that would be my preference. I am going for two titles that are not Jazz related.
What about the incredible records by the Jimmy Giuffre 3 with Jim Hall? They are amazing records and would really benefit from a reissue as I find it hard to get really quiet copies!
Love it if they did Max Roach's Members don't get weary
Don’t get me wrong here .. I live all genres of music but I have most of those jazz titles already and to shell out $60 for 5 Foreigner and 5 Bad company titles isn’t necessary
That being said if I may be bold enough to recommend the Genesis album Selling England by the Pound and Yes Close to the Edge both fantastic music and classic British progressive music. Both Phil Collins and Bill Bruford the drummers are both accomplished jazz drummers , Collins in Brand X and Check Brufords discography. The guitar solo on SENTP album song Firth of Fifth is worth the album alone and CTTE a stone cold classic. Both albums have elements of jazz. As a bonus listen to a band called Renaissance album Scheherazade, a mix of classical music , jazz , Annie Hallam the singer has an angelic voice
I think any time you see a Bill Evans title in a catalogue there is a pretty good chance they will reissue it sometime down the line.
The first Atlantic Jazz artist that comes to mind: Jean Luc Ponty. His albums has never ever been released by an audiophile label on Hybrid SACD or LP. Among the finest fusion music ever recorded, yet never taken into account by audiophile labels, for whatever reason.
Arc Records, the sublabel of Gilles Peterson’s Brownswood Recordings, are also doing an Atlantic reissue series. Given Mr. Peterson’s impeccable taste, this will probably include more interesting titles. Lateef’s “Detroit” and Roach’s “Members…” are out already! 1LP, 33rpm. Great!
The ERC Giant Steps is mono
Still I might sell that if the Stereo is great (although mono is the best setting as the stereo has the the wide separation which can be an issue)
Have plenty of originals and remasters from the last 20 years
I thought most of their stuff went up in flames a few years ago. I need to watch his video announcement because I missed it. I'll finish yours then head over to Chad's.
The existing double which will be 4 discs is Genesis, The lamb lies down on Broadway. I think 45RPM is a mistake in general. Some prog songs will need to be split in two and put on separate sides. The artists recorded these albums to play through on one side, the flow can be ruined changing the album every 8 minutes. So I am out on these releases
Would really like to see Aretha’s Young, Gifted, & Black.
Chad is currently working hard to get the Aretha albums cleared with her camp
Herbie Mann titles would be great as well.
For anyone that is curious, the double-album is Genesis - Lamb Lies Down On Broadway.
Also, the 90 number comes from a separate partnership with Rhino. Those will be 33RPM and on colored vinyl.
As far as we know, so far, there is no Zeppelin in the Acoustic Sounds list. BUT, they have only put up 70 for pre-order, so far. The five Zepp on the Atlantic label could fill those in nicely. This leaves out the 4 Swam Song albums.
I know, not Jazz, but I know some of us listen to more than jazz.
I do as well (listen to more than jazz) just not on vinyl. For the only reason that my wallet wouldn’t be able to handle it!
In a reply to my question on Chad's video with Michael 45 he also clarified that those 90 albums that Atlantic is doing on clear vinyl are separate from there remasters he said they don't know who's remastering those
An explanation of the 4 new titles on Verve By Request Series would be most helpful as they are totally unknown to me
You can Google them, lots of information online
I have the Atlantic Coltrane 45's mastered by B Grundman released by ORG Music - OLE, My Favorite Things, Coltrane Jazz, Coltrane Sound, Bags and Trane. Would the AP release use the same plates.
I would say no because they have not listed Bernie grunman as one of their mastering engineers it sounds like he is probably using as many classic plates as possible
Hey! The reason why Steve Davis is on a lot of albums is because they did a lot of recording in October 1960. I think the dates were like 20 until 26, I can’t remember, but “My Favorite Things”, “Coltrane Plays the Blues”, “Coltrane’s Sound”, all came from that session. The later two came out I think without his permission because he was already over at Impulse! Same crap Bob Weistock was doing to him with Presige. Putting albums out without his consent. A lot he was the sideman, but they made him the leader on the album.
Sadly the fusion Jazz rock do not sale well. I will love to see some titles from Jean-Luc Ponty and Billy Cobham
They are in every dollar bin as well and sounds good already.
Chad mentioned he can’t do too many titles by one artist for the 75 total which will take at least 3 years to do (2 lps a month)
Think Coltrane, Ray Charles, Genesis, Yes
You won’t get the complete discography - at least now. Poetic Champions Compose, the Mingus cd box set and the Ray mono boxset have all the lps
plenty of Ray Charles who lays out some moving jazz in his Atlantic days
Hi, nice review and discussion. On the coltrane, you mentioned the previous 45rpm releases, the question is : will they use the same metal part as those or will they cut new lacquers from tape. Acoustic sounds bought "classic records" and some say they got the metal parts with it. This might explain the list content... j from Paris
Btw, this would not be a problem, as classic records mastering and quality was great...
I get the sense that is exactly what will happen, as Bernie did most of the mastering for Classic Records and many of the titles so far listed in this series were put out by Classic Records. The Miles Davis Stereo 33 1/3 and 45 RPM releases from those metal parts recently released by Chad are excellent!
I don't think the marketplace can sustain this --this isn't 2020, with COVID checks to burn. My hunch is demand for this type of "luxury product" is going to begin bottoming out.
As mentioned in your video, I think this goes way too fast. People can't keep up anymore, about half of the Coltrane's I picked up over the last few years are newer versions you mentioned. And again a new version ? Pass on most. I 'll take some Mingus for sure. And saying Atlantic is saying Led Zeppelin. They come for sure, if the details are worked out with Jimmy Page and management.
Errr everything is available for pre order on the AS site...
I hate 45 rpm. Their a pain in the ass. Kevin gray says their a pain. Too bad.
Very rich review, wonderful job! I’m biased to John Coltrane & Don Cherry - The Avant-Garde, since it was my first coltrane cd over 30 years ago. The tunes were always in my head, so this one would be great to have on 45 rpm w/ good mastering, especially since it’s more angular and irregular type of jazz, which makes it more artistic and innovative than pleasing the consuming masses. I love Mingus releases and I would always collect them, such a great musician and composer. I want to listen more to Chris Connor albums, this is the second time I hear you talk about her. I think she’s to you like Helen Merril to me, I collected all of her work, especially the one w/ Clifford Brown. I hope AP would watch your videos and learn from your vast knowledge in jazz!
Hope you do delve into chris Connor s work .my favorite version of something to live ,and driftwood .the second version of Lonely woman .
I'm on board for Chris Connor reissues!
2lp 45rpm = 👎
So glad you mentioned Wednesday s child Tom Talbot fantastic ., remember having lunch w him wen I had a six week field period trying to assist
Tom Dowd and .Nes .wonderful thst Teddy .Charles recorded tge difficult music of george Russell .George Wellington composed Way Out There which was recorded by chris Connor on her first album for Atlantic .
Chris is all to forgotten and some of her work is innovative . I hope LaVerne Baker ,
Ruth Brown ,Joe Turner are included .
Also Portrait of Chris .Ronnie Ball s arrangements ,use if double time fantastic !
Thanks for the overview. I love Atlantic (who doesn't?), but I'm not sure I under$tand the rea$oning behind this 75 $eries. The first thing I thought when I glanced at the list was: Haven't some of these been remastered and reissued in high quality pressings by Atlantic/WEA/Rhino in recent years? Yes, as you point out, they have. Also, I'm not a fan of listening to LPs remastered at 45 rpm, since the whole purpose of LPs was to extend the running time to 15-20 minutes per side -- especially useful for jazz musicians who want room to stretch out. If I want to listen to something one or two tracks at a time, I have Roon and CD shuffle play (and other people have 7-inch 45 rpm singles!). To break up the flow of albums that were conceived and sequenced by the artists for the original release seems a little counterproductive (maybe even disrespectful?) to me. If there are good 33 1/3 rpm remasters available for $30-$40 (rather than 45s at $60+) I'd be interested. Maybe Rhino will do those...
I looked at my "Homage à Nesuhi" CD box set for some other Atlantic jazz (and jazz-ish) ideas. Les McCann and Eddie Harris ("Compared to What"), of course -- and the Ray Charles/Milt Jackson "Soul Brothers" and "Soul Meeting." The two Ornette Coleman records before "Shape of Jazz to Come" are worthy: "Something Else!!!" and "Tomorrow is the Question!" (anything with exclamation points). Rahsaan Roland Kirk has a few titles, and there's John Lewis's classic "Wonderful World of Jazz" (with "Two Degrees East, Three Degrees West"), plus a couple Ray Bryant albums. Also two titles by The Freedom Sounds featuring Wayne Henderson (a Jazz Crusaders side project). And that Sonny Stitt melting face cover you mention was "Stitt Plays Bird."
Now that Chad’s foot is in the Atlantic door I predict a Giant Steps UHQR within 4 years. 🤔
Lol