You are missing the whole point of using the Cozy Camper: It saves you a cosmetic slot for your hitchhiker loadout. But hey, at least you mentioned the DDS's equivalent awesome utility of playing Crocodile-Man.
This one or two times when I was in melee with a butter-knifing spy, I tactically turned my back to stun them for an easy kill, that was pretty cool, I guess. That's about all I can think of Razorback was helpful for
I once saw a bottom of the team sniper get targetted so much that that he ran the razorback and switches positions and that spy avoided every single person just to backstab that sniperc
@@tommyb1088 No no no, rather than a “shield” that doesn’t actually block things, it’s a shield that blocks everything other than splash damage and penetration, but breaks after it takes a certain amount of damage
To be fair, if they could find another role for Sappers in addition to taking out buildings, I think it would be good for Spy as a whole. Since it's not like spy is in a super OP place (The moment a team is coordinated or even just talking Spy is in serious trouble) and another option in the toolbox would likely help them a good bit.
The worst part is that Sniper has, in my opinion, one of the top 3 toolkits for spychecking, with first going to Pyro, and being tied for second with Scout, due to having a rapid fire secondary option (SMG for Sniper, Pistol for Scout) and an AoE option that can extinguish teammates and put either the spy at a disadvantage or yourself at an advantage in a 1v1 fight (Jarate for Sniper, and Mad Milk for Scout respectively.) "Oh, but the sniper rifle is terrible at spychecking" look, if you don't have your secondary available to you for whatever reason, either because it's on recharge or you ran out of bullets, you still have the ability to spycheck someone either by shooting what would be a bodyshot on a spy noscoped, or by just whacking them with your Kukri if they're close enough.
It's not that, he said snipers are paranoic, but oh boy you don't know the feeling of having 4 heads on Bazaar and seeing more and more spies around you
@@bruschetta7711 the feeling you get when you are ready to get that sniper who got you from that cheeky spot then see 3 backstabs pop up in the killfeed.
One of the craziest things I’ve ever seen is 3 Razorback snipers huddled around a medic, and what would happen is if a spy tried to backstab the medic, he would end up accidentally breaking one of the Razorbacks and then gets destroyed.
I just feel naked without the cozy camper. Like, even with huntsman, fighting closer to the enemy makes me incredibly conscious about health as a sniper so the passive healing is very calming in that regard
It was the opposite for me, I liked the idea of needing to watch where you're standing and smaller scale ganks, but also liked honorable fights from time to time yet there was/is basically no way to tell the others what you want unless you have a mic and they have Mic Chat on, which is asking for toxicity in that game. The end result was basically me being forced to only play Dominion. Duels and Brawls had way too many people demanding you play honorably, and there being no way to tell them what you want to do either leads to you coming off as an asshole for ganking in a Brawl or reviving your teammates because you want a real 2v2 instead of 2 1v1s, or playing in a way you don't like because you don't want to have your teammate basically become an enemy you can't kill because he leaves you to die. This could've been fixed if they added in chat presets that allow you to say what you want, stuff like "I want to have real 2v2s" or "want to have 1v1s" or "i don't want hazards to be used". Tribute and Siege i don't know enough about as i didn't play them much, because Steel rewards were bad and the fastest way to get steel minus Orders was dominion at 50 Steel, so constant playing of Dominion was vital if you wanted a decent source of income for Steel, which was big reason for many other modes being empty. So yeah, Dominion was the only mode you could play how you wanted without worrying about coming as an asshole....mostly because everyone else is an asshole, either because they were looking for an experience they couldn't get because of all the bullshit ways others could play it, or because they're just assholes. I know that steel rewards are at least significantly fixed because they added in dynamic rewards based on time played and performance so you can finally get more Steel than the jackass who idles the whole the game getting the same rewards as you for sweating the whole match, but at that point i was way, WAY too pissed off with For Honor to keep playing it for so many reasons, so i didn't really from it.
@@Manglet762 the reason people (or atleast me) want to play "honorably" and not use ledges is because it completely negates skill You say that positioning is important but i still vividly remember certain maps where you are always in range of a insta kill pit that you could accidently knock your opponent into because there was just no space
I remember reading the reason they gave for the DDS redesign, something along the lines of "to strengthen melee fights against pyros" and just thinking, but why? Why do you want to do that? Is Sniper not the 'strong at long range, weak at close range' class and Pyro the 'strong at close range, weak at long range' class? Is it not supposed to be the case that Pyro has a massive leg up in a close range engagement with a Sniper? And Sniper in a long range fight?
that's still the case though. Pyro can just press RMB or backpedal since pyro and sniper walk at the same speed. The DDS literally only helps with being pestered by a scorchshot
@@MyLolmom that just makes me think you've never played pyro. DDS is such a significant increase in the time to kill that's it's quicker to kill another pyro with direct flame. Airblasting you is just going to give you more of a window to no scope me to death. If a sniper is even in flamethrower range, either you successfully flanked them, or they are out of position, ie they should be dead. I'll put it in sniper terms. Imagine quickscoping another sniper, them not dying, and then them killing you before you can take another shot. Oh wait... Just because it now the class it turns off is one you don't like doesn't make the exact same design philosophy any better.
@@griskin_8202 airblast isn't going to launch them across the map, they're still in flamethrower range and it's still going to be hard to get headshot as long as you're bobbing and weaving. This is also assuming the sniper is even one of those godtier snipers that can heashot at close range and do it effortlessly. Yes it takes longer but it's by no means close to a hard counter, especially if the pyro has a shotgun. The game is built on counters. Good pyro counters spy Good sniper counters heavy Good Demo counters engi Good spy counters sniper and engi Having items that help reduce how effectively one class counters another isn't bad design it's just the items that are poorly designed. It's like pretending that just because pyro can airblast he suddenly shutsdown every soldier and demo. The effectiveness of these "counters" are massively massively exaggerated for the sake of the video and his own bias
They just decided that giving Sniper a perk against other Snipers was ridiculous, but couldn't decide what to replace bullet resistance with, and then remembered that this was the Pyro Update and that everyone would be firing Scorch Shots everywhere.
as a sniper main honestly no one bothers care about pyro mains anyway I mean theyre annoying so why bother care about their feelings? and edit yes im a sociopath i dont feel remorse
More of countering their tools with your tool(or at the very least make it a bit difficult/very temporary breathing room against certain counters like the spycicle, or extra protection in exchange of powerful burst damage like demo-shields) instead of completely nullifying their tools to a stupid degree for free 👀
none of them are counters. Razor back is useless except in situations where you're alone as sniper so in that case even with it on the spy would have just shot you and then left DDS literally only really stops the scorchshot. At long ranges the sniper has the advantage and fishstick is just straight up lying by saying they're at equal risk since an instant bullet is better than a flare that can be seen and avoided and in the close combat situations the pyro can just W+M1 the sniper and has the airblast or shotgun to back him up if the sniper tries to go for melee and the SMG sure as hell isn't going to save the sniper unless the pyro is almost dead to begin with. This video was hyper exaggerated.
@@MyLolmom If you think the Razorback is useless then you definitely haven't used it. I've had a lot of situations where a spy died trying to shoot me. It's not always an easy shot if you can react to being damaged fast enough and play near your team. The moment I unequip the Razorback is when all of the spies on the server tunnelvision me, even in situations where it'd be suicidal for them to do so... so I just leave it on these days, and it's much harder for them to do that.
I like the camper as an "I don't trust my team" or "I keep getting shot at by some idiot with a pistol" thing. But I also hardly play sniper as I love combos with my flare gun and shiny axe.
When playing spy, I like to stab off the razorbacks then lurk with cloak and dagger spamming "SPY" at the snipers. Seeing them get more and more paranoid is one of the few things I deeply enjoy.
6:05 i absolutely disagree, a projectile that deals 30 damage + afterburn vs the infinite hitscan bullet and 1 shot potential. Sniper has the advantage all the time.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Sniper still has the advantage, with his hitscan weapon that can deal this damage in an instant. Meanwhile, the Pyro's flare can be dodged, and he doesn't have a scope to help him see further.
I had an idea for a backpack that would sort of promote an "active sniper" playstyle. The stats would be: +25 Max Health on Wearer +10% Movement Speed on Wearer -50% Maximum Primary Ammo on Wearer The upsides would help you get into cheeky spots or better survive duels, and the downside would force you to search for ammo and actually play actively.
id even go for even less ammo 13 headshots or 12 if we round it down is still alot id be for -75% Max Amo on wearer then Sure and bc you choose 25 plus max health is very wise bc it doesnt force other snipers to use it
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG agreed, 6 or 7 shots and then grab more ammo. 150 health for fair sniper duels with little to no change except for fucking up aim with move speed which is a skill problem not a balance problem.
@@harrogeorge7878 Yeah Since the old danger shield waa broken bc of that 10% i think bullet res so in a sniper duel if the enemy sniper didnt precharge for a sec which can mean death in a sniper duel you had to equip the danger shield
You hit my main reason for mailing the Razorback right on the head. For some damn reason, I bloody attract those crazy trickstab pro spies all the time. I don’t WANT to be paranoid, I HAVE to be paranoid. You have not felt true fear as a sniper until you’ve fought off three trickstab spies with their sensitivity cranked so high they make tornadoes jealous.
agread plus I like to use it as a stalling tool as if I'm being a good sniper being decently close to my team instead of insta killing me the spy now has to pull out the gun leaving him in the open for the rest of the team to see
Pretty much, I don’t really care how many people say spy can just gun me down, point is I don’t have to deal with trickstabbers and hit and run big earners without needing to always equip the piss
Personally when I play pyro I really like playing against danger shields as its one of if not the only situation where a flare punch is required to win the fight and also a single flare punch reliably kills which makes hitting it incredibly satisfying though with the other flare guns id imagine id find it a lot more annoying to deal with
Thing is, snipers are usuallly far far away, and by the time u get close enough to flare punch them, they can just, headshot you, bodyshot you, noscope you. And when you reach them ur either dead or one shot away from dying lol.
@@luleta1644 and thats the time i switch to spy, backstab them and they switch to the anti-backstab weapon. then im using scorchshot to really annoy them. i think its a valid option for badly designed maps with no option to go somewhere else to not get headshot.
In my experience Sniper is absolutely overpowered, but the only sniper main I know is one of the nicest people I know. I'm proud to have him as a best friend. (Here's to you Chuck!) As for the OP bit, a good sniper is horrifying.
In my experience there are two types of snipers: the useless one that can't hit the broad side of a barn and the scourge of hell that is so good it terrifies the entire enemy team. SoundSmith talked about this problem and I agree with him that if they ever do nerf sniper, it should be their ability to quickscope and instakill anyone in front of him. So like a half second space where quickscope shots do 100 instead of 150, of which after normal damage returns. Would help a bit with bots too. Its unlikely to happen but hey who knows.
The bot crisis should show just how OP sniper is when basically one sniper aimbot can shut down a whole team, any class that can instakill from infinite range with the only restriction being line of sight is just bad, yeah a regular sniper can't kill invisible spies but let's just be real, a good sniper with a team that spy checks could always shut down the other team entirely
7:02 I’m the exact same way, I almost never use things like the scorch shot because I realize it makes people mad. I’m here to have fun, not piss people off and make them target me
"From behind" is two words I never want to see on a weapon. The absolutely horrible inconsistency of the back burner and backscatter, combined with the average casual player's ungodly net settings would mean the weapon would have some major inconsistency issues, almost left up to chance.
As a flaregun pyro I really appreciate your criticism of the dds, you basically said exactly what I've always said about it, that the scorch shot needing a nerf doesnt mean the sniper should shut down half the damage from pyro. It is beyond frustrating landing 2 flares on a sniper from a mile away and doing precisely 30 damage. My personal idea for it has been to half ticking damage and give it the ability to ignore aim punch from the same ticking damage sources, i.e. bleed and afterburn
"And if I equip [the Razorback], I can easily be gunned down if he's using the Diamondback or the Ambassador or even the Enforcer..." I use the Razorback because it means, no matter what, a Spy can't one-shot me. That gives me a fighting chance, however slim, however brief
So what youre saying is that you suck at spychecking If a spy flanks, gets to you without you being aware of his presence, and then goes for the backstab, he deserves it and its just rude to give him the middle finger and fuck him over like that without doing anything expect equipping an item.
8:12 As opposed to giving it to almost all classes, like Sniper mains usually do? Hmmm, sure. I'd prefer if no class gave big middle finger to any class tho.
Design of rock/papers/scissors is always implied in games like TF2. Heavy would be hard-countered by trickstab spies, snipers and demomans (even with respective items and skills). Scout has troubles with engineers etc. It's just the big middle finger to a particular class is quite BS.
Playing ""honorably"" does feel a lot more fun and challenging. Like, do I get dopamine and a feeling of success from a Flare shot, or w+m1? Do I feel better when I charge up a bodyshot, or just try to quick scope? This is why I am trying to stay away from knockback/stun weapons as much as possible so the other player can also have fun. But some of these unfun to fight against weapons are either so good that you can't equip anything else if you don't wanna lower your effectiveness (Wrangler and stuff), or they are literally in every variant of your weapon (Rocket Launchers, cough)
@@DesolateLavender I tried using the pistol, but even in a battle Engie loadout it is better to use Wrangler since your mini will be ready in seconds and has a higher base dps rate than pistol. Hell I'd even argue that Short Circuit's primary fire is pretty good at close range to finish off an enemy.
@@DM_2145 I understand. Personally, I choose to just accept that it's an outcome outside of my control, whether I liked it or not. It's not my fault. I didn't want it to happen. It just... happened.
0:05 Sniper isn't Overpowered, but being quickscoped at close range by a sniper you would have killed otherwise is one of the worst feelings in this game, would atleast make Zoom-In headshot delay from 0.2 sec to 0.5 sec. Edit: ruclips.net/video/cRCgxr3Gkro/видео.html
Sniper doesn’t break the game, but some engagements with him just feel kind of unfun/unfair at the same time. Your only way to counter him sometimes is to just... not go on a specific part of the map... whoop de do.
@@maximilianoferrer6841 that’s the thing though, Sniper’s only true counter is ANOTHER SNIPER, which can mean the entire flow of the game can solely depend on which Sniper is better than the other.
Odd. I’ve seen failstabs played frame by frame that didn’t stab even though they played most of the animation and swapped to normal animation once the reticle was at the wrong angle or distance from the target. Could you explain what I saw? It could be as simple as it was fake footage but now I don’t have proof for either direction and would like a source for either point of view.
The client will go with its assumption about the situation until the server gives you its version of events basically. Backstabs will hit instantly serverside but the delay in ping and interp makes it feel later than that from the player's perspective. On the recieving end it's incredibly obvious that it's instant, just have someone butterknife you and you'll get to see it This gives spy a really good upside in melee duels btw, definitely worth using if your target is at 40 health or below because you literally don't even have to aim and they can't even do anything about it. Also worth remembering if the spy is good and you're in that health range, they will go for a butterknife. If you can, nope the fuck out and make yourself hard to shoot
The “Screw You For Playing Spy” Razorback definitely comes into play when you use it as a backstab-shield on the Payload Cart. Just stay behind your teammates while moving side-to-side often and just feel the Spy glare daggers at you for not just blocking your back but everyone else’s as well.
it’s easy just beat him at his own game as sniper, with your own pocket medic, razorback, pybro and your sentry nest sniper is painful to play against though, and an inhumanly good sniper can literally shut down multiple lanes simply by existing and clicking on heads
One unrelated thing: Ambassador was nerfed because Spy is **short range**. So why hasn't Sniper's rifle been nerfed at close range? He's supposed to be **long range**. Headshot damage should be proportional to distance.
Fucking mood. There’s no reason why the Spy cant be long range, when the sniper has multiple potentially overpowered ways to shutdown enemies in close range such as - Jarate+Bushwacka (I still like the combo ok) DDS vs Pyro Razorback vs a Knife Spy Random Crits And lastly quickscope flicks.
@@kerbonaut2059 Bushwacka is okay DDS shouldn't even be in the game with those stats, which is discussed in the video Razorback doesn't do anything since *Spy has a gun* Random crits don't really make sense in this context since everyone gets those Quickscopes in close range should be nerfed because getting close to a sniper should pretty much be a guaranteed kill, even if the sniper has back-up weapons for such a situation
Well if you did fight a sniper at close range then most of the times the sniper will die because of his inability to fight back since: SMG can't outdamage a scout scattergun. Cleaners carbine needs you to deal 100 damage with the gun to use its mini crits Cleaners carbine/bushwaka, jarate/bushwaka is a risky combo since it has damage vulnerability A pyro can still set you on fire with the danger shield using the gas passer and dragons fury also plog exist. The razorback is just making the sniper much more squisher because of the lack of overheal The camper won't do anything unless its a classic/huntsman sniper. The only way to make sniper good at close range is by practicing quickscopes or use the classic or the huntsman
9:50 You make a fair point about crit damage reduction, but a critical hit isn't the only thing a backstab does. The reason it instantly kills any class, no matter how much health or over heal, is because it deals 300 times their health. The critical hit text is just for show.
Yeah I was on a pretty major power trip when I wrote those exact words in my script, but if you have any sort of problems with that then I can't help you because I'm just better and smarter than you. Those are just the facts and I speak for everyone when I say that.
Yeah, I agree that the DDS and Razorback need changing. In terms of reworks however, I'd replace the Darwin's Danger Shield's stats with a 20% faster charging speed (the point being that you trade your self-defence for being more lethal at range) and I'd replace the Razorback's stats with an increased movement speed while scoped, allowing a scoped sniper to avoid more spam, dodge otherwise lethal blows and peek corners more aggressively at the cost of self-defence. I think these would have a more clear and uncomplicated purpose, be applicable to a wider range of situations and influence the user's playstyle much more, which is what a good weapon really should do.
also, the increased charging speed would make it a good combo with the SS (in some way)and it would kinda make sense, since they are from the same set. i mean, 45% faster charging speed is pretty strong i'd say lol
"It's like when you're a kid playing pretend and one kid uses his super laser gun that kills everything instantly so you use your invincibility shield that blocks super laser guns" how is this a universal thing. it's like the cool S, it seems to just embedded into our dna to do these things
If the Razorback could block a single rocket/pill or a single shotgun/scattergun burst by turning around and facing your back to the aggressor at the cost of no recharge, it’d be way more fun to use.
@@lm9029 or mabye, melees like those have a "charge" meter, like the beggars bazooka. after a few seconds of holding M1, it's an instant crit/mini crit. mabye a slowness debuff while charging?
@@lm9029 if you were to hit someone while they were charging, it would cancel the charge but leave the slowness affect there for a moment, resulting in more footsies required and more direct thinking about your next move. kinda like melee duels in PF
Ah yes, the Sniper. The class that: - has people scream at you for being a no aim weight on the team - has people scream at you because other 3 teammates decided to go Sniper after you for some bloody reason - has people accusing you of cheating and later kick you if you're good.
The reason why I like sitting on one end of the map is because I've always loved deer hunter games and playing sniper in this way reminds me of those games
7:06 When you see an ennemi, try to switch to your melee and swing it. You have 1/3 chance that the ennemi go to a melee fight with you. It's an honorable fight
All you doing is pressing W All you do is shoot the ground Do i need to explain All you do is spawn camp All you do is rev All you do is build All you do is click on teammates All you do is click on back
To answer your curiosity about snipers who stay on one point. Players will always try to optimize the fun out of a game and every game needs to take that into account
On 'off meta' mode would be great. As would a 'Frontline' mode where the only support class permitted was Medic. No Snipers / Spies / Engines to slow games or do solo kill farming like they usually do.
@@oilrig2384 eh... kind of. You’re going off from the selection screen. The offense, defense, and support category isn’t that accurate anymore. The comp designed a new type of category and Engineer is apart of the support group
@@flying_gorilla8069 I see where you’re coming from. The sniper is under the support category but isn’t that much of a support class, (?) same with spy (?)
I have an idea for a new stat for the cozy camper! +1 bullet for every headshot that kills It makes it so you have to actually hit your shots instead of standing in a hallway and clicking
7:58 the "stab animation part" only comes after the death, when you click it registers it instantly (with zero ping). So they wouldn't be able to intercept it.
Imma be honest, when I rarely play Sniper, I use the Razorback for two reasons: First: I'm lazy as fuck Second: I'm bad at aiming for heads, so I like focusing on the head so I can get the headshots I want.
There is two types of people who uses cozy camper: - I use it because I’m too lazy to go get a health pack or a pocket medic - I use it because it looks nice for my “military” cosmetic sniper
I think the Cozy Camper is one of the coolest looking backpack items in the game. I'd say the only backpack item that looks cooler is the Battalions Backup.
I remember the Razorback actually being somewhat oppressive in Highlander. If the Sniper was pushing the kart, it made it virtually impossible for a Spy to stab the team. Combined with an overheal made the two counters to Sniper (Spy and other Snipers) basically unable to do anything.
One thing that's always bothered me about the razorback argument, yes in a bubble its pretty useless when a spy can just whip out their revolver, but If you're a sniper with your team the idea of a spy standing still long enough to pop the sniper with their revolver becomes a far more dangerous action for the spy to take. Plus its just nice having a shield against this games at times wonky hit-reg.
Sniper is overpowered because bots would use another class if he wasn't, it of course requires massive skill, that's why most sniper mains are toxic, because they need to play a shit ton to actually get good to the point of becoming one of those depressed people and they entertain themselves by shitting on others But sniper is op because it has the most damage output + most range and you can't really position yourself away from it unless the map wants you to, against a soldier you can dodge the rockets or airblast them, same with demo, against a scout you can kill him, against a heavy you're likely screwed but you can run away if you're lucky, engineers and medics don't pose much of a threat if they are alone, against spy you can avoid backstabs and maybe kill them before they kill you But against a sniper, you're fucked if you're away, you're still fucked if you're close if he can aim, you instantly die with nearly half of the classes, such fun.
You admit it's effective at 0:58. That's why, the end. And it's not boring if you are destroying the other team with quickscopes/headshots. You can be a better active/roaming sniper with quick scopes. No SMG needed. (if you have a good medic this changes) Jarate is awesome too. You nailed that. You're 100% right about "passive no-brain counters". The razorback and Dangershield are counters without effort/skill. I think the Razorback reworks are good. I think the +25 HP danger shield rework is good. My Crazy Razorback ideas: "All backstabs deal 65 true damage. User marked for death for ~8 seconds after blocking stab. 15% damage resistance when melee weapon is active." (Effective heath is 125/0.85 = 147). This forces the sniper to decide between shooting and surviving. He can't do both. Also gives the razorback some active elements that make it require skill to fully utilize. Also gives spy a way of killing the sniper, even if overhealed
"No weapon's sole function should be to screw over another class." Makes me think about discussions around the Spy and why the class is weak compared to others, and very rarely is the sapper brought up: a "weapon" that affects only one aspect of one class in the game that already has more threatening counters.
Granted, they kinda designed it t Spy to be a general counter to Engie, and it goes along with that Espionage Theme in general (I mean.. an EMP that shuts down electronics is totally the kinda crap a James Bond figure would have in his back pocket)
Sniper was my least played class until I learned to embrace the W button sniper. A close up target might be moving faster but their head is a lot bigger. Jarate turns sniper into one of the best melee classes
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"People like to give the Sniper shit"
I mean yeah, he likes to give us Piss
Congratulations on your fucking hilarious comment, your reward is 69 likes
I'll be honest I started playing more as sniper lately and using the jarate is my favorite activity
Trade offer
Funny me like
Ye you're funny you should write that one down
You are missing the whole point of using the Cozy Camper: It saves you a cosmetic slot for your hitchhiker loadout. But hey, at least you mentioned the DDS's equivalent awesome utility of playing Crocodile-Man.
Darwins Danger... Rhield?
Dance Dance Revolution?
Darwins Danger Razorback?
HOLY SHIT THAT COMBINATION IS TERRIFYING.
@@DesolateLavender Dung's Dope Ritalin
@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 W h a t ?
The cheap/useless nature of the current DDR annoys me entirely because I'd like to play Crocodile Man more. The whole set together looks amazing.
@@nonesuch6833 Why do people keep saying DDR? Wouldn't it be DDS? Did I miss something?
"Oh yeah? Well *I* have my invincibility shield breaker gun!"
I simply MUST put that custom description on my Enforcer. I'd put it on my aussie Ambassador but I already have a good one on it.
Perfect
“Oh really? Well I have my unbreakable invincibility armor!”
“So what? I have my laser gun that can penetrate everything in existence!”
"Oh yeah?? I HAVE THE SHIELD THAT ALSO BLOCKS EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE"
This one or two times when I was in melee with a butter-knifing spy, I tactically turned my back to stun them for an easy kill, that was pretty cool, I guess. That's about all I can think of Razorback was helpful for
clever
Go back to the gungeon
Lizard brain was looking out for ya
Reverse trickstab
Is the razorback available in medival mode?
I’m a sniper main but play a very specific subclass, diet heavy: crouch around and shoot people with the smg
Nice
I just run huntsman bushwacka and Jarate and go insane
This heavy too skinny, call some hoovys and give him sandviches quickly!
That is one of the funniest things I've run across in tf2, and that's saying a lot
im a sniper main and refuse to use any other secondary except Darwin's danger shield. iuse sydneey danger shield and bushwacka. I am crocman thats why
Me: backstabs 1 sniper in 2fort
every other sniper: anti-backstab shield activated
Then the Spy activates the Enforcer
Don't even need an unlock to kill shielded snipers. Most snipers don't even unscope until second shot.
I once saw a bottom of the team sniper get targetted so much that that he ran the razorback and switches positions and that spy avoided every single person just to backstab that sniperc
*laughs in trickstab*
I defy all laws of Razorback snipers -Ambassandor tf2
7:44 I like that in the span of 1 frame the Spy goes from standing up straight and disguised to laying on the ground dead.
lmao
actually, there's a single frame where he's both.
saddam hussein
2:42 LMAO that engineer _saw_ the perfect opportunity to go for the health pack
fuck you, take my like
i get it.
*i get it.*
💀
My dream of the razorback being able to be used as an actual shield still stands.
so you’ve heard of demoknight, now get ready for sniperknight. he just quickscopes you with Sydney sleeper then charges at you with the bushwacka.
@@tommyb1088 well know I’m excited
Give him the huntsman and shiv, and you got yourself a Victorian Archer
@@tommyb1088
No no no, rather than a “shield” that doesn’t actually block things, it’s a shield that blocks everything other than splash damage and penetration, but breaks after it takes a certain amount of damage
Make it like a reverse demoknight shield. When you right click you charge backwards.
"No weapon should be purely against one class"
*Sappers:* profuse sweating
To be fair, if they could find another role for Sappers in addition to taking out buildings, I think it would be good for Spy as a whole. Since it's not like spy is in a super OP place (The moment a team is coordinated or even just talking Spy is in serious trouble) and another option in the toolbox would likely help them a good bit.
Short circuit: kills sweating user
Sappers are not an unlock. You don't choose to fuck over a class.
@@MyViolador well, at least it mainly fucks over 2 classes, not just one XD
Natasha Heavies: 👀
I fucking loved the "kids playing pretend" analogy for the scorch shit and danger shield
Ok good I’m not the only one lol
The Virgin TF2 Game Balance Vs. the CHAD KIDS PLAYING PRETEND GAME BALANCE
i just came to say this lmao
oh my goodnesssssssssssssss my brothers do that alllllllllllllllllll the stinkin time
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You missed the third tier of people who use the razorback: snipers that are too lazy to regularly spycheck
@Am I Disabled? To be fair, you can't really get a Razorback Sniper as a Spy if the Sniper positions right.
@Am I Disabled? Yeah, but in pubs there is a hidden stat for each revolver that they don't exist
The worst part is that Sniper has, in my opinion, one of the top 3 toolkits for spychecking, with first going to Pyro, and being tied for second with Scout, due to having a rapid fire secondary option (SMG for Sniper, Pistol for Scout) and an AoE option that can extinguish teammates and put either the spy at a disadvantage or yourself at an advantage in a 1v1 fight (Jarate for Sniper, and Mad Milk for Scout respectively.)
"Oh, but the sniper rifle is terrible at spychecking" look, if you don't have your secondary available to you for whatever reason, either because it's on recharge or you ran out of bullets, you still have the ability to spycheck someone either by shooting what would be a bodyshot on a spy noscoped, or by just whacking them with your Kukri if they're close enough.
It's not that, he said snipers are paranoic, but oh boy you don't know the feeling of having 4 heads on Bazaar and seeing more and more spies around you
@@bruschetta7711 the feeling you get when you are ready to get that sniper who got you from that cheeky spot then see 3 backstabs pop up in the killfeed.
The sniper in the thumbnail: mate, ya mind helpin' me with these backpacks? They're quite heavy you know?
Gunspy time
One of the craziest things I’ve ever seen is 3 Razorback snipers huddled around a medic, and what would happen is if a spy tried to backstab the medic, he would end up accidentally breaking one of the Razorbacks and then gets destroyed.
Ah yes. Bodyguard Snipers
That's actually a good idea
-Demoman
I just feel naked without the cozy camper. Like, even with huntsman, fighting closer to the enemy makes me incredibly conscious about health as a sniper so the passive healing is very calming in that regard
I used to play a game called For Honor and it's ironic since all people did was push people off ledges while they were fighting other people
cant even play for honor, ubisoft fucked xbox players up
It was the opposite for me, I liked the idea of needing to watch where you're standing and smaller scale ganks, but also liked honorable fights from time to time yet there was/is basically no way to tell the others what you want unless you have a mic and they have Mic Chat on, which is asking for toxicity in that game.
The end result was basically me being forced to only play Dominion. Duels and Brawls had way too many people demanding you play honorably, and there being no way to tell them what you want to do either leads to you coming off as an asshole for ganking in a Brawl or reviving your teammates because you want a real 2v2 instead of 2 1v1s, or playing in a way you don't like because you don't want to have your teammate basically become an enemy you can't kill because he leaves you to die. This could've been fixed if they added in chat presets that allow you to say what you want, stuff like "I want to have real 2v2s" or "want to have 1v1s" or "i don't want hazards to be used".
Tribute and Siege i don't know enough about as i didn't play them much, because Steel rewards were bad and the fastest way to get steel minus Orders was dominion at 50 Steel, so constant playing of Dominion was vital if you wanted a decent source of income for Steel, which was big reason for many other modes being empty.
So yeah, Dominion was the only mode you could play how you wanted without worrying about coming as an asshole....mostly because everyone else is an asshole, either because they were looking for an experience they couldn't get because of all the bullshit ways others could play it, or because they're just assholes.
I know that steel rewards are at least significantly fixed because they added in dynamic rewards based on time played and performance so you can finally get more Steel than the jackass who idles the whole the game getting the same rewards as you for sweating the whole match, but at that point i was way, WAY too pissed off with For Honor to keep playing it for so many reasons, so i didn't really from it.
@@Manglet762 the people who pissed me off is the ones that could double team effectively
@@Manglet762 the reason people (or atleast me) want to play "honorably" and not use ledges is because it completely negates skill
You say that positioning is important but i still vividly remember certain maps where you are always in range of a insta kill pit that you could accidently knock your opponent into because there was just no space
beck if it was in real life, it wouldnt matter. You would do anything you can to win. Also, I can beat you with warden
Im beginning to think that you dont like the scorch shot very much.
no, i think he likes scroch shot a lot
Hmm
Why would you think that?
At this point it's almost like the running gag he has to commit to.
Scorch shot is shit like everything in pyro
I remember reading the reason they gave for the DDS redesign, something along the lines of "to strengthen melee fights against pyros" and just thinking, but why? Why do you want to do that? Is Sniper not the 'strong at long range, weak at close range' class and Pyro the 'strong at close range, weak at long range' class? Is it not supposed to be the case that Pyro has a massive leg up in a close range engagement with a Sniper? And Sniper in a long range fight?
that's still the case though. Pyro can just press RMB or backpedal since pyro and sniper walk at the same speed. The DDS literally only helps with being pestered by a scorchshot
@@MyLolmom that just makes me think you've never played pyro. DDS is such a significant increase in the time to kill that's it's quicker to kill another pyro with direct flame. Airblasting you is just going to give you more of a window to no scope me to death. If a sniper is even in flamethrower range, either you successfully flanked them, or they are out of position, ie they should be dead. I'll put it in sniper terms. Imagine quickscoping another sniper, them not dying, and then them killing you before you can take another shot. Oh wait...
Just because it now the class it turns off is one you don't like doesn't make the exact same design philosophy any better.
@@griskin_8202 airblast isn't going to launch them across the map, they're still in flamethrower range and it's still going to be hard to get headshot as long as you're bobbing and weaving. This is also assuming the sniper is even one of those godtier snipers that can heashot at close range and do it effortlessly. Yes it takes longer but it's by no means close to a hard counter, especially if the pyro has a shotgun. The game is built on counters.
Good pyro counters spy
Good sniper counters heavy
Good Demo counters engi
Good spy counters sniper and engi
Having items that help reduce how effectively one class counters another isn't bad design it's just the items that are poorly designed. It's like pretending that just because pyro can airblast he suddenly shutsdown every soldier and demo. The effectiveness of these "counters" are massively massively exaggerated for the sake of the video and his own bias
They just decided that giving Sniper a perk against other Snipers was ridiculous, but couldn't decide what to replace bullet resistance with, and then remembered that this was the Pyro Update and that everyone would be firing Scorch Shots everywhere.
as a sniper main honestly no one bothers care about pyro mains anyway I mean theyre annoying so why bother care about their feelings? and edit yes im a sociopath i dont feel remorse
"No weapon should be made specifically to f**k over one class."
Spah sappin my sentry
EDIT: Was meant as a joke lol
Said it before but... The Sapper is the kind of gadget that a James Bond type would totally have
More of countering their tools with your tool(or at the very least make it a bit difficult/very temporary breathing room against certain counters like the spycicle, or extra protection in exchange of powerful burst damage like demo-shields) instead of completely nullifying their tools to a stupid degree for free 👀
You can remove sappers with your wrench, you cannot remove the danger shield with a flare gun.
well engineer can casually destroy shpah if he hits his shot
That made me laugh ngl.
it's so dumb that sniper gets several hard counters to its counters, it's part of the problem of sniper having no viable counter other than sniper
none of them are counters.
Razor back is useless except in situations where you're alone as sniper so in that case even with it on the spy would have just shot you and then left
DDS literally only really stops the scorchshot. At long ranges the sniper has the advantage and fishstick is just straight up lying by saying they're at equal risk since an instant bullet is better than a flare that can be seen and avoided and in the close combat situations the pyro can just W+M1 the sniper and has the airblast or shotgun to back him up if the sniper tries to go for melee and the SMG sure as hell isn't going to save the sniper unless the pyro is almost dead to begin with.
This video was hyper exaggerated.
@@MyLolmom If you think the Razorback is useless then you definitely haven't used it. I've had a lot of situations where a spy died trying to shoot me. It's not always an easy shot if you can react to being damaged fast enough and play near your team. The moment I unequip the Razorback is when all of the spies on the server tunnelvision me, even in situations where it'd be suicidal for them to do so... so I just leave it on these days, and it's much harder for them to do that.
@@MyLolmom The lack of afterburn means you can''t be crit-flared either
scout, trolldier demoknight:
am I a joke to you?
@@MrCoolioPants I mean, you can but only if you do some flame particle manipulation... also I'm pretty sure it would do like no damage anyways.
I like the camper as an "I don't trust my team" or "I keep getting shot at by some idiot with a pistol" thing. But I also hardly play sniper as I love combos with my flare gun and shiny axe.
One of my biggest issues with the DDS
Mfw cant even throw off snipers aim anymore so hes practically invincible because i do like 4 damage at long range
and now, go mine some diamonds with soldier
ok
ok
Screw you I am going to go play Minecraft.
I want this to reach 69
In the part where you said those were all of the passive weapons you actually missed one.
The gas passer.
He also missed the mantreads
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@@smortboi2374
The joke is that its so bad it might as well be a Zero in the secondary slot
@@gibbous_silver
Fsoas mentioned the Mantreads has better flight control and stomping.
@@Appletank8 oh ok i get it now.
When playing spy, I like to stab off the razorbacks then lurk with cloak and dagger spamming "SPY" at the snipers. Seeing them get more and more paranoid is one of the few things I deeply enjoy.
that's evil, and I absolutely love it
when someone stabs my raser back, i shoudanfrude and killbind
SAME, it's so funny 💀 and useful! time they're spending spychecking is time they're not spending shooting my team
I might honestly start using that as a legit strat as spy.
The sniper main secret to standing still and not getting bored is podcasts.
Basically personal preference
Given it's the 60s, Sniper himself will have to be satisfied with talk radio.
Or just having fun playing a game more peacefully and passively, than aggressively
"I'm at least gonna get shot"
Doesn't that exemplify the huntsman?
~OOOOOH YEEEES~
BRING ME THOSE ARROWS SNIPER PIERCE ME FROM MID RANGE
NSFW?
6:05 i absolutely disagree, a projectile that deals 30 damage + afterburn vs the infinite hitscan bullet and 1 shot potential. Sniper has the advantage all the time.
Assuming the sniper has full health the most you can do is force him to retreat
Guaranteed flare gun crits, anyone?
On paper sure, but in the actual game a pyro with more than 30 seconds in the game should win every time.
30 + afterburn + 90 + afterburn = sniper dies
150 + 50 = pyro dies
They both need to land 2 shots
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 Sniper still has the advantage, with his hitscan weapon that can deal this damage in an instant. Meanwhile, the Pyro's flare can be dodged, and he doesn't have a scope to help him see further.
Cozy camper be pretty goated with the huntsman
I had an idea for a backpack that would sort of promote an "active sniper" playstyle. The stats would be:
+25 Max Health on Wearer
+10% Movement Speed on Wearer
-50% Maximum Primary Ammo on Wearer
The upsides would help you get into cheeky spots or better survive duels, and the downside would force you to search for ammo and actually play actively.
id even go for even less ammo 13 headshots or 12 if we round it down is still alot id be for -75% Max Amo on wearer then Sure and bc you choose 25 plus max health is very wise bc it doesnt force other snipers to use it
@@Kitsune_Chara_CG agreed, 6 or 7 shots and then grab more ammo. 150 health for fair sniper duels with little to no change except for fucking up aim with move speed which is a skill problem not a balance problem.
@@harrogeorge7878 Yeah Since the old danger shield waa broken bc of that 10% i think bullet res so in a sniper duel if the enemy sniper didnt precharge for a sec which can mean death in a sniper duel you had to equip the danger shield
Is replace the 25+ with 15+, a sniper 150 health seems like a lot harder to kill from farther range because of falloff
a slight change in movement speed can completely screw over one's aim
You hit my main reason for mailing the Razorback right on the head. For some damn reason, I bloody attract those crazy trickstab pro spies all the time. I don’t WANT to be paranoid, I HAVE to be paranoid. You have not felt true fear as a sniper until you’ve fought off three trickstab spies with their sensitivity cranked so high they make tornadoes jealous.
agread plus I like to use it as a stalling tool as if I'm being a good sniper being decently close to my team instead of insta killing me the spy now has to pull out the gun leaving him in the open for the rest of the team to see
Pretty much, I don’t really care how many people say spy can just gun me down, point is I don’t have to deal with trickstabbers and hit and run big earners without needing to always equip the piss
@@korhol2065 I won't lie there has been a bunch of times a spy has tried to trickstab me on stairs and him failing becxause I had the razor back
Personally when I play pyro I really like playing against danger shields as its one of if not the only situation where a flare punch is required to win the fight and also a single flare punch reliably kills which makes hitting it incredibly satisfying though with the other flare guns id imagine id find it a lot more annoying to deal with
Not if i hit a nice crunchy C R I T
Thing is, snipers are usuallly far far away, and by the time u get close enough to flare punch them, they can just, headshot you, bodyshot you, noscope you.
And when you reach them ur either dead or one shot away from dying lol.
Niko pfp
I like using the Panic Attack against them.
@@luleta1644 and thats the time i switch to spy, backstab them and they switch to the anti-backstab weapon. then im using scorchshot to really annoy them.
i think its a valid option for badly designed maps with no option to go somewhere else to not get headshot.
In my experience Sniper is absolutely overpowered, but the only sniper main I know is one of the nicest people I know. I'm proud to have him as a best friend. (Here's to you Chuck!) As for the OP bit, a good sniper is horrifying.
In my experience there are two types of snipers: the useless one that can't hit the broad side of a barn and the scourge of hell that is so good it terrifies the entire enemy team. SoundSmith talked about this problem and I agree with him that if they ever do nerf sniper, it should be their ability to quickscope and instakill anyone in front of him. So like a half second space where quickscope shots do 100 instead of 150, of which after normal damage returns. Would help a bit with bots too. Its unlikely to happen but hey who knows.
The bot crisis should show just how OP sniper is when basically one sniper aimbot can shut down a whole team, any class that can instakill from infinite range with the only restriction being line of sight is just bad, yeah a regular sniper can't kill invisible spies but let's just be real, a good sniper with a team that spy checks could always shut down the other team entirely
Damage ramp-up sounds like a good solution. something like 75 damage at hug-distance and 150 at... somewhere.
@@percher4824 about 2fort bridge distance I think that would be far enough
@@wereowl9369 From the front of the battlements to the other front at ground level sounds fine. Maybe a bit shorter, but something like that.
that perch spot on barnblitz lmao
also i appreciate the extra effort on commentary and editing
i also love on Sniper the Smg more than the other side "weapons"
7:02 I’m the exact same way, I almost never use things like the scorch shot because I realize it makes people mad. I’m here to have fun, not piss people off and make them target me
I have fun making people mad
tbh, the scorch shot is honestly just a shittier detonator. the downside of the detonator has compared to the scorch shit is that it takes skill
@@goldencoin9670 I mean, a direct hit with the scorch shot slows you to a standstill and does a fair bit of damage. It's frankly stupid.
7:00 don't worry buddy I try to play "honourably" too even if sometimes I getting tired of it because everybody are assholes
tea same lol. somtimes i fight trolliers that missed their market-gardening, only with my melee. just to have a fair fight. (and also in other cases)
I don't play "honourably".
i felt that but in for honor idc anymore lol
3:27 my favorite weapon, the "lahfraghfruh"
Yeah after breakfast has suggested a damage reduction while being shot from behind so it’s would be more of a retreat tool
"From behind" is two words I never want to see on a weapon. The absolutely horrible inconsistency of the back burner and backscatter, combined with the average casual player's ungodly net settings would mean the weapon would have some major inconsistency issues, almost left up to chance.
@@popefrancisspeedruns9365 unless they use the 180 degrees of the knife
from behind. with the inonsistancy of hitbox registration, not sure how good that would work out.
@@popefrancisspeedruns9365 *cries in backstabs*
As a flaregun pyro I really appreciate your criticism of the dds, you basically said exactly what I've always said about it, that the scorch shot needing a nerf doesnt mean the sniper should shut down half the damage from pyro. It is beyond frustrating landing 2 flares on a sniper from a mile away and doing precisely 30 damage. My personal idea for it has been to half ticking damage and give it the ability to ignore aim punch from the same ticking damage sources, i.e. bleed and afterburn
9:42 Rare footage of sniper running out of primary ammo
NOW THIS IS THE HONOUR MAN I AM LOOKING FOR
YES
Indeed
"And if I equip [the Razorback], I can easily be gunned down if he's using the Diamondback or the Ambassador or even the Enforcer..."
I use the Razorback because it means, no matter what, a Spy can't one-shot me. That gives me a fighting chance, however slim, however brief
or you know, 1 extra second for the rest of the team OR A SENTRY to target you.
@@kerbonaut2059 If you're getting gunned down by sentries as a sniper you're probably doing something wrong
@Wikidog exactly
So what youre saying is that you suck at spychecking
If a spy flanks, gets to you without you being aware of his presence, and then goes for the backstab, he deserves it and its just rude to give him the middle finger and fuck him over like that without doing anything expect equipping an item.
i really dont understand why people hate razorback, use what you like.
8:12 As opposed to giving it to
almost all classes, like Sniper mains usually do?
Hmmm, sure.
I'd prefer if no class gave big middle finger to any class tho.
Like how the short circuit absolutely shits on you if you play demo
@@terrypennington2519 spycicle and maybe vaccinator too
@@benismann Honestly forgot the Spy cicle exists xD
Design of rock/papers/scissors is always implied in games like TF2.
Heavy would be hard-countered by trickstab spies, snipers and demomans (even with respective items and skills). Scout has troubles with engineers etc.
It's just the big middle finger to a particular class is quite BS.
@@terrypennington2519 yeah but it's used quite often
"No weapon's sole function should be to screw over another class."
Sapper - "I can tell when I'm not wanted."
To be fair, its useful against mvm bots too.
Sapper is less a weapon and more of an ability
@@Breakaway-ic5gj I mean so is the shield
Tbh when I first equipped the cozy camper I thought it was purely cosmetic and was confused when I started randomly gaining health
Thats amusing.
Playing ""honorably"" does feel a lot more fun and challenging.
Like, do I get dopamine and a feeling of success from a Flare shot, or w+m1? Do I feel better when I charge up a bodyshot, or just try to quick scope?
This is why I am trying to stay away from knockback/stun weapons as much as possible so the other player can also have fun. But some of these unfun to fight against weapons are either so good that you can't equip anything else if you don't wanna lower your effectiveness (Wrangler and stuff), or they are literally in every variant of your weapon (Rocket Launchers, cough)
I said: "Fuck the Wrangler, Imma use the Pistol anyways."
Pew pew gun is fun.
Some people argued with me that I shouldn't killbind once I get a random crit, guess what I don't do
@@DesolateLavender I tried using the pistol, but even in a battle Engie loadout it is better to use Wrangler since your mini will be ready in seconds and has a higher base dps rate than pistol. Hell I'd even argue that Short Circuit's primary fire is pretty good at close range to finish off an enemy.
Wow, I've never seen the opinion of the rocket launchers being unfun to fight against
@@DM_2145 I understand.
Personally, I choose to just accept that it's an outcome outside of my control, whether I liked it or not. It's not my fault. I didn't want it to happen. It just... happened.
0:05 Sniper isn't Overpowered, but being quickscoped at close range by a sniper you would have killed otherwise is one of the worst feelings in this game, would atleast make Zoom-In headshot delay from 0.2 sec to 0.5 sec.
Edit: ruclips.net/video/cRCgxr3Gkro/видео.html
No....
Sniper doesn’t break the game, but some engagements with him just feel kind of unfun/unfair at the same time. Your only way to counter him sometimes is to just... not go on a specific part of the map... whoop de do.
@@squeaks5677 Either that or counter sniper him.
Tbh if you get killed at close range as a scout or soldier , it's your fault.
@@maximilianoferrer6841 that’s the thing though, Sniper’s only true counter is ANOTHER SNIPER, which can mean the entire flow of the game can solely depend on which Sniper is better than the other.
7:99 backstabs are actually instant. The animation plays afterwards.
Odd. I’ve seen failstabs played frame by frame that didn’t stab even though they played most of the animation and swapped to normal animation once the reticle was at the wrong angle or distance from the target. Could you explain what I saw? It could be as simple as it was fake footage but now I don’t have proof for either direction and would like a source for either point of view.
@@harrogeorge7878 probably had to do with ping, maybe? client side vs server side?
The client will go with its assumption about the situation until the server gives you its version of events basically. Backstabs will hit instantly serverside but the delay in ping and interp makes it feel later than that from the player's perspective. On the recieving end it's incredibly obvious that it's instant, just have someone butterknife you and you'll get to see it
This gives spy a really good upside in melee duels btw, definitely worth using if your target is at 40 health or below because you literally don't even have to aim and they can't even do anything about it. Also worth remembering if the spy is good and you're in that health range, they will go for a butterknife. If you can, nope the fuck out and make yourself hard to shoot
"the sheild of go fuck yourself" is absolutely hillarious lmfao
The “Screw You For Playing Spy” Razorback definitely comes into play when you use it as a backstab-shield on the Payload Cart. Just stay behind your teammates while moving side-to-side often and just feel the Spy glare daggers at you for not just blocking your back but everyone else’s as well.
i will break the razorback out of principle, so believe me when i say that some snipers wont even turn around after the razor activates.
When that happens then they deserve to be backstabbed.
just imagine how hard is to take out a razorback sniper next to a sentry with his pybro
Ubered brass beast heavy?
it’s easy
just beat him at his own game as sniper, with your own pocket medic, razorback, pybro and your sentry nest
sniper is painful to play against though, and an inhumanly good sniper can literally shut down multiple lanes simply by existing and clicking on heads
@@TheOneWhoHasABadName
> Razorback
> Pocket Medic
Seems legit
@@Kapech_the_first oops forgot (no need for razorback when pocket pybro anyway, bring jarate instead to make it more unfair for any spies)
One unrelated thing:
Ambassador was nerfed because Spy is **short range**. So why hasn't Sniper's rifle been nerfed at close range? He's supposed to be **long range**. Headshot damage should be proportional to distance.
how to destroy a class entirely 101
Fucking mood. There’s no reason why the Spy cant be long range, when the sniper has multiple potentially overpowered ways to shutdown enemies in close range such as -
Jarate+Bushwacka (I still like the combo ok)
DDS vs Pyro
Razorback vs a Knife Spy
Random Crits
And lastly quickscope flicks.
@Harkon Takala I dunno, why would a knife do less damage than a frying pan?
@@kerbonaut2059
Bushwacka is okay
DDS shouldn't even be in the game with those stats, which is discussed in the video
Razorback doesn't do anything since *Spy has a gun*
Random crits don't really make sense in this context since everyone gets those
Quickscopes in close range should be nerfed because getting close to a sniper should pretty much be a guaranteed kill, even if the sniper has back-up weapons for such a situation
Well if you did fight a sniper at close range then most of the times the sniper will die because of his inability to fight back since:
SMG can't outdamage a scout scattergun.
Cleaners carbine needs you to deal 100 damage with the gun to use its mini crits
Cleaners carbine/bushwaka, jarate/bushwaka is a risky combo since it has damage vulnerability
A pyro can still set you on fire with the danger shield using the gas passer and dragons fury also plog exist.
The razorback is just making the sniper much more squisher because of the lack of overheal
The camper won't do anything unless its a classic/huntsman sniper.
The only way to make sniper good at close range is by practicing quickscopes or use the classic or the huntsman
9:50 You make a fair point about crit damage reduction, but a critical hit isn't the only thing a backstab does. The reason it instantly kills any class, no matter how much health or over heal, is because it deals 300 times their health. The critical hit text is just for show.
I mean, every time I play any class I just think "Fuck you, stop playing Spy"
FSOAS be like: Something is slightly strong? nErF iT's NOt fUn, i sPeAK fOR eVeRyoNe
Yeah I was on a pretty major power trip when I wrote those exact words in my script, but if you have any sort of problems with that then I can't help you because I'm just better and smarter than you. Those are just the facts and I speak for everyone when I say that.
2:25 how it feels to suffer pyro(no medic heals me ever)
Yeah, I agree that the DDS and Razorback need changing. In terms of reworks however, I'd replace the Darwin's Danger Shield's stats with a 20% faster charging speed (the point being that you trade your self-defence for being more lethal at range) and I'd replace the Razorback's stats with an increased movement speed while scoped, allowing a scoped sniper to avoid more spam, dodge otherwise lethal blows and peek corners more aggressively at the cost of self-defence. I think these would have a more clear and uncomplicated purpose, be applicable to a wider range of situations and influence the user's playstyle much more, which is what a good weapon really should do.
not bad
also, the increased charging speed would make it a good combo with the SS (in some way)and it would kinda make sense, since they are from the same set. i mean, 45% faster charging speed is pretty strong i'd say lol
"It's like when you're a kid playing pretend and one kid uses his super laser gun that kills everything instantly so you use your invincibility shield that blocks super laser guns"
how is this a universal thing. it's like the cool S, it seems to just embedded into our dna to do these things
If the Razorback could block a single rocket/pill or a single shotgun/scattergun burst by turning around and facing your back to the aggressor at the cost of no recharge, it’d be way more fun to use.
as i have been saying for a while: random crits would be fine if they sere truly random, instead of being based on how much damage you are doing
a global 4-6 percent would suffice
I would rather have them removed and have every melee weapon
(Not counting swords and spy knifes) have the gunslingers 3 hit-crit -combo.
@@lm9029 or mabye, melees like those have a "charge" meter, like the beggars bazooka. after a few seconds of holding M1, it's an instant crit/mini crit. mabye a slowness debuff while charging?
@@ravelnavarro9625 Not a bad idea, but then i think there would be no point in using regular melee attacks.
@@lm9029 if you were to hit someone while they were charging, it would cancel the charge but leave the slowness affect there for a moment, resulting in more footsies required and more direct thinking about your next move. kinda like melee duels in PF
Damn, this actually made some good points.
I see the problem.
Ah yes, the Sniper. The class that:
- has people scream at you for being a no aim weight on the team
- has people scream at you because other 3 teammates decided to go Sniper after you for some bloody reason
- has people accusing you of cheating and later kick you if you're good.
The reason why I like sitting on one end of the map is because I've always loved deer hunter games and playing sniper in this way reminds me of those games
7:06 When you see an ennemi, try to switch to your melee and swing it. You have 1/3 chance that the ennemi go to a melee fight with you. It's an honorable fight
i'd love the danger shield rework for +25 health, would make a huntsman set more gimmicky (at least for me)
Someone else offered extra health and movement speed, but like -80% max ammo. I think that would be good.
"Ratchet & Clank 2" OST :D
Nice !
“all u do is click heads”
i think thats our job lol
"playing a class is just pressing M1!"
All you doing is pressing W
All you do is shoot the ground
Do i need to explain
All you do is spawn camp
All you do is rev
All you do is build
All you do is click on teammates
All you do is click on back
@@KyleBrownIsALoser you forgot that all we do is wear hats
To answer your curiosity about snipers who stay on one point. Players will always try to optimize the fun out of a game and every game needs to take that into account
I actually like the cozy camper, it looks really nice, if only there was a similar looking cosmetic backpack out there for sniper.
We need to get loads of people together and play a game where we are only allowed to use the bad weapons
On 'off meta' mode would be great.
As would a 'Frontline' mode where the only support class permitted was Medic. No Snipers / Spies / Engines to slow games or do solo kill farming like they usually do.
@@JamesHolloway1980 engie isn’t a support class
@@oilrig2384 eh... kind of. You’re going off from the selection screen. The offense, defense, and support category isn’t that accurate anymore. The comp designed a new type of category and Engineer is apart of the support group
@@flying_gorilla8069 I see where you’re coming from. The sniper is under the support category but isn’t that much of a support class, (?) same with spy (?)
Sniper: *Has Razorback*
Spy: "Oh no. Whateve- Ambassador"
Sniper: *Dominated by Ambi Spy*
I have an idea for a new stat for the cozy camper!
+1 bullet for every headshot that kills
It makes it so you have to actually hit your shots instead of standing in a hallway and clicking
7:58 the "stab animation part" only comes after the death, when you click it registers it instantly (with zero ping). So they wouldn't be able to intercept it.
you missed one of the passive weapons, the gas passer because it takes A CENTURY TO BE FUCKING USED
Imma be honest, when I rarely play Sniper, I use the Razorback for two reasons:
First: I'm lazy as fuck
Second: I'm bad at aiming for heads, so I like focusing on the head so I can get the headshots I want.
There is two types of people who uses cozy camper:
- I use it because I’m too lazy to go get a health pack or a pocket medic
- I use it because it looks nice for my “military” cosmetic sniper
Military? The Cozy Camper looks more fitting for a sort of hitchhiker or safari Sniper
@@CollinBuckman or a *camping* loadout
Lol was that Ame screaming REEEEEEE at 0:30?
Ok but that playtime comparison was amazing
I think the Cozy Camper is one of the coolest looking backpack items in the game. I'd say the only backpack item that looks cooler is the Battalions Backup.
If I want to role-play as a British Redcoat with the bargain, cozy camper, and Shuansha then I WILL GOD DAMNIT
GOD SAVE DA QUEEEEEN!!!!
I only use the razorback on medieval mode cause.... kuni, DR and ambassador spy’s suck
If I could use a backpack and an SMG, I would 100% do that.
I remember the Razorback actually being somewhat oppressive in Highlander. If the Sniper was pushing the kart, it made it virtually impossible for a Spy to stab the team. Combined with an overheal made the two counters to Sniper (Spy and other Snipers) basically unable to do anything.
Oh man, that Ratchet and Clank soundtrack giving me some strong nostalgia.
I wish I still had my old PS2.
Oh amm I don't play sniper that much soo amm.
"I'd close the video"
10:22 Ah yes, the sniper, the best melee class in the game.
"Passive weapons are underwhelming" GUNBOATS INTENSIFY
One thing that's always bothered me about the razorback argument, yes in a bubble its pretty useless when a spy can just whip out their revolver, but If you're a sniper with your team the idea of a spy standing still long enough to pop the sniper with their revolver becomes a far more dangerous action for the spy to take.
Plus its just nice having a shield against this games at times wonky hit-reg.
8:23 the good ol' days
I need the link to that video rn
@@arthur-lt7tf who is that
god i forgot their name
7:19 that spy has my pyro loadout.
Sniper is overpowered because bots would use another class if he wasn't, it of course requires massive skill, that's why most sniper mains are toxic, because they need to play a shit ton to actually get good to the point of becoming one of those depressed people and they entertain themselves by shitting on others
But sniper is op because it has the most damage output + most range and you can't really position yourself away from it unless the map wants you to, against a soldier you can dodge the rockets or airblast them, same with demo, against a scout you can kill him, against a heavy you're likely screwed but you can run away if you're lucky, engineers and medics don't pose much of a threat if they are alone, against spy you can avoid backstabs and maybe kill them before they kill you
But against a sniper, you're fucked if you're away, you're still fucked if you're close if he can aim, you instantly die with nearly half of the classes, such fun.
Exactly.
Good on you for expressing your opinion :)
This though, I know we're seeing heavy bits now but unlike sniper, a heavy bot can't just kill me from the moon because he had clear line of sight
Sniper is the only class that is countered by the map designer
I like the first Razorback idea. It would make sense, as the knife could go through the shield, but not as far into the Sniper's back to kill him.
You admit it's effective at 0:58. That's why, the end.
And it's not boring if you are destroying the other team with quickscopes/headshots.
You can be a better active/roaming sniper with quick scopes. No SMG needed. (if you have a good medic this changes)
Jarate is awesome too. You nailed that.
You're 100% right about "passive no-brain counters". The razorback and Dangershield are counters without effort/skill.
I think the Razorback reworks are good. I think the +25 HP danger shield rework is good.
My Crazy Razorback ideas:
"All backstabs deal 65 true damage. User marked for death for ~8 seconds after blocking stab. 15% damage resistance when melee weapon is active." (Effective heath is 125/0.85 = 147). This forces the sniper to decide between shooting and surviving. He can't do both. Also gives the razorback some active elements that make it require skill to fully utilize. Also gives spy a way of killing the sniper, even if overhealed
"No weapon's sole function should be to screw over another class." Makes me think about discussions around the Spy and why the class is weak compared to others, and very rarely is the sapper brought up: a "weapon" that affects only one aspect of one class in the game that already has more threatening counters.
Granted, they kinda designed it t Spy to be a general counter to Engie, and it goes along with that Espionage Theme in general (I mean.. an EMP that shuts down electronics is totally the kinda crap a James Bond figure would have in his back pocket)
honestly "fuck you stop playing x class" is a good summary of sniper.
A good sniper just makes Heavy practically impossible to play.
Like Pyro counters Spy badly but at least Spy has tools to avoid the Pyro.
*"Imagine if Spy had a DDS."*
_-This Post was made by APG (Anti-Pyro Gang)_
That's basically the Spy-cicle.
Sniper was my least played class until I learned to embrace the W button sniper. A close up target might be moving faster but their head is a lot bigger.
Jarate turns sniper into one of the best melee classes
ahh your sniper playstyle is exactly like me, i used to be a cozy camper kid and now im a hyperactive sniper copping an smg
3:47 3rd reason: You're using the machina