[TF2] Bad Weapon Academy: Pomson 6000
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- Have you ever looked at a weapon and thought, "How am I even supposed to use this piece of shit?" Don't worry. I'm here now.
In which we find out what happened to the other 5,999 Pomsons.
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Music used:
Dapper Dog - Frontier Justice/Uncle Dane Theme
TF2 OST - Magnum Force
Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver OST - Azalea Town/Blackthorn City, Ice Path, Game Corner, Pokemon Center
Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:34 Stats Breakdown
6:28 Engineer Primary Comparison
9:52 VS Medics
11:47 Why All This Sucks
12:37 VS Spies
14:00 MvM
15:14 Potential Rebalances and Conclusion
18:04 Bonus Clip
I did it guys, my editing is marginally better. I'm a solid 6/10 instead of the 4/10 I've been coasting as for all this time. To answer the inevitable question, yeah that was Uncle Dane. It was actually pretty funny, he had just commented on my Enforcer video that day and asked me to do the Pomson, so I hopped into the game and we ran into each other twice in a row by complete coincidence. And hey, he actually asked me to do this video so I'm not stepping on any toes this time, right, haha. Ha. Speaking of, this episode put me in a similar mental state as Zesty's Gas Passer video. I hate this gun, you can't hear it in the video but god this thing pissed me off. Playing regular Battle Engie for the clips I used was a such an amazing change of pace, even Battle Rescue Ranger Engie felt more satisfying. That on top of losing yet more footage to God himself whisking it away kind of tipped me over the edge. But it's here and I hope you enjoy it. 
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Pomson 6000: 10% uber removed with one shot
Any other shotgun: 100% uber removed with 2 shots
Murder=better.
Not with the vita saw
@@NKillBruh bruh when did u last saw someone using vita saw
@@mysticaltree4875 its a interesting competitor to the uber-saw, hell some people call it useful
@@mysticaltree4875 myself a few wekks ago
God help the poor soul that I randomly gave this to with a Giftapault
hey, look on the bright side. there's a pretty decent chance that they scrapped it
I giftapulted a force a nature
@@flameboy3378 better option is to press button called "delete" or
@@johnnystankiewicz295 thx for advice
I got a pomson
When you're outclassed by a gun that isn't even meant for killing.
The burning you feel... it is *S H A M E*
For whatever reason, I'm a better shot with the primaries that aren't meant to do damage.
I go battle medic with the Crusader's Crossbow and can only hit anything with the Rescue Ranger.
Is it weird? yes
Is it bad? yes
Is it fun? *yes*
@@Attaxalotl I see you got aim with those no-explosive proyectiles.
Nice.
Try hitting sandman-guillotine combo in 2021, and we'll see if you still alive.
@@HonokiViceandSunset Perhaps.
@@Attaxalotl to be honest; being a sniper as a medic using the bow; and sniper with the ambassador; it's pretty fun, being that one has more damage/heal the longer it's shot (with arc of course) and the other which does great damage (but needs headshots to be even better) honestly the best thing supports are; is being supportive and not just the whole "what you expect of said class to always do and nothing else"
Pomson 6000: removes uber and cloak....
Medic and spies: most of the time are behind allies or your allies
Also Pomson: can't penetrate
Apparently it used to pen
@@charnor2727 It did when released (December 2011), removed in August 2012. It's Cloak and Uber draining capabilities also had no fall-off, 10%/20% on any hit any range, and this was when Spy's Dead-Ringer was notoriously busted. I remember it as being (borderline?) overpowered, along with the slow projectile speed and devastating invisible crits made it a long-range area-denial weapon, dealing solid damage (maybe 70-80% of stock Rocket Launcher DPS if hitting 2-3 players). And the penetration could also result in multi-hits on the same target due to Source Spaghetti.
I regularly got Machina-style multikills, either with random/uber crits, Jarate'd targets, or just hitting several injured players thinking they're safe because they're behind teammates. All done from infinite range, without sacrificing your sentry, dispenser, or tele. Just M1 toward the chokepoint.
wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Pomson_6000#Update_history
@@charnor2727 fuck me, it used to do something as well? dear god
How you managed to suffer for so long to get 18 minutes worth of footage of using this thing, I have no idea. It's such a pain in the butt to use - you said it best: it feels like you're playing the game in slow motion. I too would like to see how it fairs with it's Uber/Cloak drain mechanic removed and it's firing/projectile speed raised, but most importantly I would like to see the projectile penetration return. An alt-fire charge-shot sounds interesting, but it feels too similar to the Cow Mangler at that point, so maybe there could be some alternative support mechanic for the right click that is unique to the Engineer's class role. Nice job on the video, and sorry about that random crit.
Oh hi no name youtuber engineer main
Yo waddap
Charge bar that increases fire rate for x seconds on activation, charged by doing damage maybe?
What's the point of The pompson btw?
Nice beard.
“The strategy of not killing the enemy, better known as losing”
except in aram
i dont think so, cause this isnt a zero sum game
- Sun Tzu
Depends on the gamemode and map I think. You can waste a lot of time on Thunder Mountain 3rd part on last point by just pushing people off the top with airblast. If they aren't dead they'll have to walk back or do self-damage to get back up.
Don’t tell this to friendlys
I legitimately like the concept of engineer having a lazer based weapon similar to the cow mangler, it's very fitting and would work well with the eureka effect. But why valve, why the POMSON!
I have an idea for the Pomson, have it be a short range lighting gun that remove Uber and cloak (at the current rate for 1 second of continued fire)
The stats would be as follows:
"An innovation from Tesla himself to electrocute your enemy's back to the future"
Pros:
-200 ammo reserve (weapon directly pulls from)
-Drains 5% Uber or 10% cloak upon hitting an enemy continously for 1 second
-Can hit multiple enemies with 1 "zap" (chain lightning)
Cons:
Is a sustain fire weapon (fires lightning in a set cone)
Does 10% less damage
Effective drain range of 30 feet (half the range of the short circuit)
@@LucasSantos-si4nd maybe instead of cloak and uber, he could shoot sappers
I’m pretty sure it’s loosely based off of the railgun in TFC (which was basically Han Solo’s blaster), so it definitely fits Engie. Although that was his secondary and he still kept a shotgun.
In roblox, the tf2 knockoff, also known as tc2, remade the pomson. It still has reduced damage, and 4 shots intead of 6, but the laser projectile is hitscan now, and on hit, enemies will take reduced healing from all sources. The reduced healing is soooo annoying they banned it in tournaments
@@LucasSantos-si4nd removing an ability from a class is never fun, i think it should be a mid-long range projectile for burst damage, flare gun speed and keeping the 4 shots, to deal with classes where close range is suicide, like pyros and maybe heavies
When they nerfed the pomsons ability to reduce uber, they basically killed it. Being able to reduce uber significantly from across the map was a legit use. Just one that we all decided we universally hated.
Seriously, Sniper can deplete 100% with a fully charged body shot
@@kbtvstudios9528 Part of the issue was also that the Pomson at the time could pass through players. This meant that just spamming it down a chokepoint could knock 30% off the uber of a medic after grazing them a few times, even if they had two or three people in front of them and couldn't even see the engineer shooting them.
I think the uber reduction nerf is fine, just give it back it's ability to penetrate and it's balanced.
"the same consistency of 2 people standing in eachothers trying to melee someone" *flashbacks to how it feels to play demo extras*
These people are eating their own hitboxes and I took advantage of that
Why have sword when one could have sharp glass.
Why have sword when you have bottle?
LazyPurple's video are something else
I mean, the TF2 community is filled with high-tier youtubers, but LazyPurple is top-tier
"why have sword when can have sharp glass" - lazypurple
The frontier justice intro really sells that this is an engie video.
@Cha cha real smooth hi funny man who made an edgy comment.
@Cha cha real smooth cha cha real smooth
@D. Anime nazi moment on the internet, so original amirite.
@Cha cha real smooth xddd!1!1!1!1!
@D. average anime nazi teen xdd!1!1!!1
"I hate myself, but most of all, I hate spies and medics having fun" the weapon
I call it the "I hate everyone rifle." Annoy your teammates for being useless! Annoy yourself for using such a pointless pile of trash! Annoy your enemies because they just got killed by a random crit from one of the worst weapons ever!
sounds like half tf2 youtubers when they get killed
"More useful against one giant medic rather than a group of small ones" is a sentence I never thought I'd ever hear.
Ah, the weapon I use when Im a friendly engineer.
Same, paired with my Eureka effect.
@@HybridHenderson nope, im shooting every eureka engie i see. Those bastards got a plan to ruin my teams day and a bullet to the face should prevent that.
the pomson, the short circuit, and the gunslinger paired with the Beep Man are my go to halloween loadout
@@TheSexiestGoblin That scares even me
@@nekorisakirisame1323 wow, you're so scary. Bet can't hit a revved up heavy with a beggar's bazooka
12:15
That's probably the first time that spy has even seen the pomson, I can't even blame him for ragequitting though
Can't blame him getting killed with this thing is nearly as embarassing as getting demolished with Sun On A Stick.
@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 Or getting killed from the SVF
@@lonkzelda7871 OR TELEFRAGGED
@@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn or getting killed by a normal hit from the fan o' war
@@lonkzelda7871 SVF?
Oh nevermind. Sharpened Volcano Fragment. My bad.
Just a thought: what if it leeched ammo from the enemy classes? When you shoot it would remove ammo from the enemy it hits and gives YOU metal. This would drain the effectiveness of pushes, like it was meant to, and makes it easier to maintain and upgrade buildings in heated areas.
But it could be very broken
That would be really annoying, and the Widow maker already kinda does that.
@@mikeyes620 yeah but now it’s long range and a medic can’t fix the damage
i could see that being an interesting weapon idea
(blank) damage, reduces targets ammo by (blank) and gives (blank) amount of metal in return
like converting ammo to metal
That sounds like a weapon that either nobody would use because they think it sounds overwhelming, or everybody would use it so they cant even think about assaulting your nest.
You can shoot any friendly building with it to "charge" it with a mini buff, sentry does mini crits for a short time, dispenser gets increased range, teleporter is faster.
Actually that's a pretty good and original ideia, would be interesting to see this in-game
My idea based on that would be:
[+] Fires a special projectile which Boosts friendly buildings for 3 seconds. Boosted buildings are unaffected by subsequent shots and they cannot be Boosted for 10 seconds after the current Boost wears off.
[+] Boost affects buildings as in follow:
Sentry Gun: +20% firing speed;
Dispenser: +50% range, healing rate, ammo and metal generation;
Teleporter: +100% recharge rate;
[+] No ammo required.
[-] -33% clip size.
[-] -20% damage penalty.
[-] -20% fire rate.
My idea is to make it be able to destroy Sappers at a distance (like how the Rescue Ranger heals buildings at a distance). It would take 3 or 4 hits to destroy one Sapper (idk), and the shooting speed should be a bit faster (the same with the Bison lol).
@@TheDude8008 that’s a cool idea too, I think that’s way too many shots to do it though, even with increased bison speed I think it wouldn’t be able to even save the sentry in most scenarios. But I do think just that alone puts this in that weird kinda smelly territory of “you only use this item to counter one class”
@@Zmeeed01 maybe longer effect (10-15) with a longish recharge. Or maybe buff one building permanently with the downside of not bring able to shoot your gun or having the rest of the buildings weaker.
I've always thought that it would be cool if the Pompson could remove Sappers from long range
That's actually a cool idea, you could shoot multiple shots to ensure it destroys the Sapper and also hit the Spy with less cloak while at it.
So opposite of what the rescure ranger does, neat
@@M0D776 it would at least have a defined point then. Might as well lessen some of the nerfs too
@@Warriorcat_RUclips a faster shooting speed on par with the stock shotgun would be good, it may have slow projectiles, but if you can shoot more in less time it would at least be useable.
Forgive me for ruining 69 likes
I really miss the time when it used to penetrate enemies. It felt like a usable weapon just because of that.
Also, if that shoot "delay" was fixed, this weapon would feel a lot better to use.
Yeah, but the Uber/Cloak drain was borked. Because it caused medics to lose like half the Uber from a single projectile, and made spies unable to cloak. That’s the reason penetration was removed from the laser weapons.
@@BlitzkriegOmega I feel like it could be balanced a bit if the penetration damage tick was increased further, like maybe 1.75 or something so that Medics and Spy's don't suffer so badly. Or instead projectiles faster instead with the delay gone
@@BlitzkriegOmega Maybe I'm just an asshole but I feel think being able to take like half their uber or a spy's entire cloak in a single projectile is fair.
Killing a medic drains 100% of their ubercharge anyway, and if you can just kill the spy with your shotgun then it doesn't matter if they have full cloak. You basically give up kill power in exchange for crippling their ability to do the stuff they're supposed to do.
Though again, maybe I'm just the asshole who wants to be able to keep the enemy from having fun.
@@aquamarinerose5405 the problem with that is, you can be the most brain dead player and get rewarded heavily for spamming a choke point possibly hitting a spy/med without even needing to aim, taking half there uber/clock for minimal thinking.
It's also just not fun to be at the receiving end building uber 30 sec or more just to get taken by a lazer going through your heavy hitting you taking it all away.
@@aquamarinerose5405 killing a medic takes more thought most of the time, because you have to go around the enemy team or kill to get to the med.
With the penetration you can just go through the walls of flesh and gain a huge reward.
I have an idea for a rework: turn it into an actual laser shotgun. Yep. Fire multiple lasers at once. Genius.
Or a laser burst rifle that fires 5 shots in .4 seconds, with each laser doing a base damage of 15.
@@chewycornell yeah but then it's a rifle, not a shotgun
Shotting a constant laser would be fun
@@the_real_boogeyman Then more variety
@@chewycornell or we could turn it into a true laser gun, where it’s just one solid beam of death, like the ray of doom from the bloon games
The Pomson is a perfect demonstration of a phrase I heard often in MMOs.
"Death is the ultimate debuff."
The fact that its impossible not to think about engineer when hearing Uncle Dane's intro is some powerful shit
Dispenser going up
Frontier justice
@@zachgaines8349 Well, guess that'll do.
Sentry going up
@@randomtexanguy9563 Booooooh
5:45
Scout: I eat your lasers, I eat them up!
correct
That caused me fisical pain
@@MurriciTerceiro same as your comment
One of the funniest uses of this weapon is against Pyros. A lot of Pyros feel the need to reflect any projectile coming their way, so if they don't know the stats they just walk in front of it, sometimes even being stubborn enough that they die
I'd love to see the penetration come back, and give the Pomson an "inverse falloff" where the damage of a projectile goes up every time it hits an enemy. Alternatively, have it mark enemies and highlight them through walls, like the respawn highlights. Let it play support more.
I left TF2 when the pomson was OP and cool. I even have a Strange pomson I named the BFG 9000 simply because it was so broken. now it's broken in another way. just take it back to the stats at launch already!
Its a year old, but i agree.
I wish it could penetrate and have an "inverse falloff".
It would be cool if they had the whole "removes sappers" thing, but it would make spy more underpowered than it already is.
I think it would be cool making the anti-uber mechanic actually worth bringing along.
Idk about highlighting, but marking enemies for mini-crits would be a W.
Baiscally they should make it the engineer's version of the crusaders crossbow.
Fast projectile speed, but only 1 shot in the clip.
i would have preffered for it to work like the crossbow when the farter you are from the enemy, the more dmg it deals
@@pedropablotobon1017the farter you are
In my first days of tf2 i used pomson a lot. I don't know why, maybe it was funny for me but at some point i realized, that i have a shotgun, and that no one can outsmart bullet.
Übercharge outsmarts boolet
but shotguns dont shoot bullets
damn, I'm getting quite roasted in the replies, the only way to restore my honor is to get a 20 killstreak with the pomson on 2fort.
@@prismaticpaul dont worry about them,having a bullet based primary weapon instead of that Pomson garbage is still the most effective combat option for Engi not counting sentries
@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 i know, i was just trying to be a little funny and all that. Stock shotgun works best for me because I'm not a god at aiming in the heat of battle (widowmaker), on occasion I use the rescue ranger but yeah, that's about it.
Ankleee danee, i cant use the alien gun from call of dooty!
@Cha cha real smooth i dont watch uncle dane so i thought it was original lol
@Cha cha real smooth bruh I know it's a bit worn out sometimes but leave these people alone. If your tired of it then I'm sorry but you can't just flame or insult someone just because you felt like it.
ucnel dade why wondr waf from cal of dudy not killing rde tem
@Cha cha real smooth look guys look i wrote a sarcastic comment guys ain't i so sassy and cool guys? Please guys give internet point guy plz i need attention guys
@Cha cha real smooth ok you got me, i ain't getting roasted here
When I was young, I would always run the pomson. I thought it looked cool and didn't notice the downsides. I got used to the slow projectile speed, I still managed to get quite a lot of kills on people with it, I genuinely kinda liked it. I would still play with it if I didn't immediately lose all that skill built up with it after using the Frontier Justice once.
I remember when the pomson was released, it was one of the most overpowered weapons in the game because it pierced through both your enemies AND your allies :)
Was it actually overpowered or just overused
"No name youtuber engineer main"
*I see whatcha did there*
@washed up exactly
5:43 the scout absorbed the shot lmao
The Pomson was amazing once. They nerfed it for good reasons, but just like every other weapon they overtune, they made it worthless.
God, I miss the old Pomson.
good reason? even before the nerf basically nobody used it for being already bad and too hard to use for the upsides it gives. Wanna reduce the medic uber? just use the stock and u will reduce not just 20% of their uber but 100% by 2 shots and u will even make it out alive if you also use the other 4 shots at the guy that was being pocketed.
Too many enemies? -Widowmaker
Sentry is about to die? - Frontier justice
a lot of cqc momments? - Panic Attack
Need to move fast? - Rescue Ranger
All around map? - Stock
want to literally torture yourself to the deepest hole possible? - Pompson
If I recall, when the pomson was first released it wasn’t that bad because it pierced enemies and could hit someone multiple times
It was insanely annoying because it was very easy for Engies to mindlessly shoot it down a choke and removing enemy Uber and peppering enemies with virtually no risk.
And the uber removed wasn't affected by falloff.
I remember back in the day, when I was a wee lad of f2p player, when pomson was able to go through multiple enemies.
I also remember that cheeky bug, that made your projectiles invisible
As far as primary qualities go, if i wanted infinite Ammo i'd use the Widowmaker, because at least then i never have to reload.
Imagine pomson with faster projectile speed and abillity to do Rocket jumps
Directhit
I wish it had a name related to Mutilating Livestock or something. It kinda fells like a soldier weapon tho
@@dimsthedimwit600 you mean the cow mangler
Remember when this first came out and it was beyond overpowered
Good old days ;D
The Grordbort weapons were pretty busted on release. The salt the phlog generated on release was incredible.
Pomson 6000: TF2's version of the Stormtrooper laser rifle.
But in slow motion
@@unusualincidentsunit2837 at least good players can still hit point blank shots even if it does basically nothing
e-11 is awesome
J U S T L I K E T H E S I M U L A T I O N S
L A S R I F L E ?
_Looks at Soldier Footage_
He's doing the Bison! We're getting the Bison! Hallelujah!
Hell yeah!
Bison Gaming
@@user-nc6td8ox1t Bison Gaming
4:46
Jokes on you, I can't rocket jump anyway.
Really? I don't even have an hour on soldier and I can still rocket jump
@@bestdogshadow383 I've improved
"It feels like there's a pause between clicking the button and having the projectile come out"
*Syringe gun:* First time?
the only way that the uber-draining scenario is semi-useful: *V I T A S A W*
"Okay let's go take down that sentry. Oops hit by pomson. Guess we died"
i have never ever seen a medic use this in all of my time in tf2
Until you get a random crit.
If it was the OLD "Hey, I just died. But that's alright, since my punishment was not so bad for just simply owning one specific item that I never need to pull out, and now I still have an Uber advantage since your medic is also dead with 0% Uber left" vita-saw, then I guess the Pompson would be a niche way to counter ubers.
However, the CURRENT vita-saw, where you actually have to do dangerous and unrewarding shit with it just gain the upside, is just so bad and useless. It'd be a surprise to see a medic even equip it. So the Pompson is un-needed
And even if the vita-saw was reverted back to its original state, it wouldn't be used as much to justify using the Pompson 3000. The vita would stay banned in competitive for obvious reasons, and is useless in casual, since there are a lot of shitty new medics that can utilize uber properly anyways.
@@peascoutpesante9456 iv never ever seen a medic use the vita-saw. It is by definition a dead weapon
Alt-Fire removes sappers, and it's done.
Damn that's a great idea. 👀
Like maybe that and a knockback effect, like slightly less than a rocket blast would do so the spy would get blown back further, allowing more time for you to get the the building and slap the spy
@@bitchtitchs Why not apply a small knockback on yourself (Like Force-A-Nature)? You could use that to get some mobility and being able to get distance between you and spies/pyros when getting rushed. Also make it minicrit against wet enemies (I always thought that energy weapons should minicrit wet enemies).
We have a genius in here lads.
I thought something like overcharge and a lite Cow Mangler alt fire(aoe and burning for Pomson) but being able to also damage sappers would make it good. maybe make the normal attack penetrate with the alt fire being a aoe attack?
“Valve, please, just increase the projectile speed.” -Me who used it the first time
I remember back when this weapon was first released. It was stupid good. Now it’s good at being stupid.
Even the upside of 10% Uber and 20% cloak reduction is barely even useful as you could kill a medic and spy with a normal shotgun before the pompson can do anything remotely useful
It used to apply at any distance and was meta-defining till a ban
Murder: removes all Uber and cloak
Pompson: removes a bit of cloak
Murder=better
It stops spies from getting away. I know that a few years back, i'd consider one or two pomson hits as a spy a death sentence.
@play gray Actually dead ringer will still work even after shot by an pompson, spy would just have reduced invis time, which is pretty useless considering kunai spies use dead ringer to tank damage
@play gray you say that as if its guaranteed to happen every time...
The point is that just using a shotgun is more effecient and consistent, OVERALL. Plus that 10% removal means nothing cuz the medic can get it back in, like, 15 seconds, regardless of Ubersaw or not
When i started playing in 2019 i thought this was a good weapon for 7 months i liked it because it looked futuristic
Its was pretty good back in the day
When I had just started playing tf2 as an f2p engie I thought this weapon was amazing when I read its description, I used the pomson for way too long. Once i realised it sucked I carried on using it because I thought it was cool that it shot lasers and it had a cool kill effect. I look back on those moments and wonder what people thought of a gibus engie running around 2 fort and turbine trying to shoot people with a direct downgrade of a weapon. I agree with basically every change that you suggested except for the charge shot. maybe right click could be a non-damaging projectile that removes sappers?
I think that there is an inverse relationship between how cool the weapon looks and how good it actually is
Ah, the pomson, an engineer weapon that does nothing for the engineer.
it'd be useless on any class tbh
@@Banshee523 MAAaaaaaaybe a pyro if going super dedicated pybro? eh
@@HellecticMojo You fucking lose the flamethrower, the thing that kills spies and reflects projectiles. Spy cloak doesn't mean shit.
@@athan13590 shotgun equivalents go to the secondary slot young man.
@@HellecticMojo I didn't think of it like that. It would still be pretty useless though.
3:45 Sad heavy is disappointed of you, you used the Pomson 6000
Sad pootis man
Disappointed poot
“Why, little baby friend, do you choose to hurt yourself? Do you believe your tiny baby self to be lesser than your other little man friends, or big strong Russian man? No. Well, you are equal to friends, not heavy, but that is not point. You are worth more than can know. Always remember this.”
@Punisher Reloaded “Heavy weapons friend is very glad to hear this. Have good day.”
I really want to learn that slow-mo uncle dane intro on the piano now.
I had an idea for three small tweaks
1) make the projectile punch through enemies, reducing damage per enemy
2) remove the fall off of the drain, and also make it occur before damage
3) make it deal bonus damage to Overhealed targets
uncle fungus is the best alias i've ever seen anyone use, it is beautiful i love it
"This weapon takes away the enemy's ubercharge!" You know what else does that?
Killing them.
But the vita saw
@@bobshaw3107 kill them again
@@bobshaw3107 oh and also nobody uses that thing so yeah
@@thepoglin8479 I use it and I seem other engis use it
@@bobshaw3107 i meant nobody uses the vita saw dude
this music from one of the old DS Pokemon games made me remember my childhood, so thanks for that.
Simpler times....
Good god, that gen 2 pokemon music in the background got me going full nostalgia.
Finally another bad weapon academy
3:43 it feels kind of sad watching the heavy start to frown as he is being abused with projectiles :/
It hurts pootis man
sadheavy.mp4
Makes me cry
he noticed what he was being shot with and had empathy for the engi
Gunslinger is that you
The intro is gold.
Concept for reworked stats that actually have synergy with its set:
Scrap the meter draining
Make the projectile a little faster
+Metal reserve increased to 280(this would let you build all 3 buildings with the eureka effect)
+Metal recieved from ammo packs decreased by [some amount] (this downside would helped by teleporting to the supply cabinet)
+Projectile penetrates players again, but can't hit someone more than once
+Faster reload anim
+projectile can remove sappers in one hit
+tiny blast radius on projectile
7:48 wow i cant believe you made the audio feel like you're talking underwater. Massive editing props
I can't hear it
Right!!
what
Can't tell difference
@@adamtaurus7840 its hard to hear
Can you please do the Sun on a Stick next please? I love your Bad Weapon Academy videos!
When are you ever gonna use Scout melee to kill someone ?
Since the addition of the fire resistance, it has a decent utility
Chevalier de la Chancla It’s not a COMPLETELY bad weapon, but not completely bad weapons have been used in the series like The Classic, Liberty Launcher, Brass Beast, and Baby Face’s Blaster so the Sun-on-a-Stick DESERVES to be in the series!
@@vivelespatat2670 its not, it lowers so little damage it will never make any difference. Finishing off enemy with bat/mackerel is absolute swag and stick cancer cant do this
@@ryanymous2138 It's bad in that there's a 0% chance of a good player trying to play optimally ever equipping it over the absurdly powerful Atomizer (or even far weaker, but still valuable Wrap Assassin or Boston Basher), but it's basically a straight upgrade over the default bat.
Get yourself a friend playing Pyro while you use all the agility enhancing weapons like Soda Popper and Winger. Once he sets the enemy on fire,go for it.
Tbh when I saw the Pomson I was only going for the "No Ammo Required" stat since I was running out of it quite frequently and it was my main weapon for quite a while, tho then I discovered Widowmaker's Semi-Infinite ammo with high damage and Rescue Ranger's ability to save your buildings so it got changed pretty quickly
I honestly still love this thing for the singular reason that I _love_ the disintegration death animation.
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The pompson is a fascinating combination of awkward to use and frustrating to play against.
they should add a chainsaw cannon
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Is that a cannon that damages enemies in melee range in addition to shooting bullets, or is it a cannon that shoots chainsaws?
@@davidhong1934 cannon that shoots chainsaws.
@@davidhong1934 i don't think you got the reference here buddy.
I knew you were the engineer that insisted using the Pompson in my casual matches
:D
I use to use the Pompson as Engi years ago because it was such a hidden gem. It added so much utility for the Engineer to help out the team screw up the would be Uber Chargers but I would argue the thing that really killed it was what they did to it's hit radius. It actually use to have the same hit radius as Pyro's flame thrower so you could check doorways and or corners or hell hit people just in general or kill people trying to run away who thought they were safe.
Damn anyone remember when this weapon was actually good? I remember raging at it a lot around 2012.
17:00 I thought your Pomson was fire cowmangler shots.
Cow Mangler shots on the alt fire while the primary fire is without the drain, but has penetration and does damage vs sappers would make it better. Oh, and add the drain as a MVM upgrade.
"I'm actually Uncle Dane"
*top 10 anime plot twists*
5:44 funniest get down mr president in the video
I don't even play this game but I still watched and listened carefully as if I'm applying this
if it had penetration, i would use it as is honestly. That's a game changer.
That's what she said :(
I love how the Strange Pomson was once 3 keys...oh how times have changed
On hit: drains ammo equivalent to damage (hitting full ramp up would remove a certain amount of ammo depending on class) remove 10% Uber or cloak, Mark enemy
Keep all current downsides. This would basically make it a weapon to support your teammates and it would be more effective
The only time I use this weapon is when I know I'm going to be doing some meme camping spot and need long range weaponry since I don't have the rescue ranger. It sucks.
what about making it remove sappers? Would be a unique utility tool and maybe even be an alternative for the rescue ranger for a really defensive engineer
This. Is good.
sappers already have it hard enough with the homewrecker existing lol
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Assuming a pyro even bothers to choose it or the maul over the powerjack.
Gotta say, one of my favorite parts of this series is the HeartGold/SoulSilver music.
My friend made a server where they made the palm center not remove the status stuff for the other characters, but they also allowed you to rocket jump with it it is really fun.
I've actually started playing with this gun and waiting till somebody makes video about it. *Thanks!*
i watch every single one of these even though i haven't played TF2 consistently in years
My friends and I had a lot of fun playing full Pomson engie squad back in the early days of MvM. It wasn't good, but it could be made to work. It ended up working kind of like musket-era volley firing, where the point wasn't so much aiming as it was filling space with bullets. With the projectile penetration and liberal amounts of crit canteens it was pretty okay.
Launch Pomson was most definitely a "spam" weapon that shined in chokepoints. It even had a "fun" bug where once it hit someone (whether it be enemy or ally), the projectile would disappear - but the hitbox for it would continue to penetrate onward like the Righteous Bison. So you'd have Medics and Spies getting dinged for cloak and Uber out of nowhere with no indication that they were in the line of fire of the Pomson.
You forgot to mention two things -- when Flamethrowers were changed to fix the fire particles, the Pomson and Bison were changed too. As a result, both weapons lost their ability to ignite Huntsman arrows. Their projectile size was also broken by the change, making it far smaller which makes the slow projectile speed feel even worse. The smaller projectile size also makes the Bison hit players fewer times, which kinda defeats the point of the weapon.
i really think this weapon is bad in ALL situations, even beating the shit out of spies. if you have a decent shotgun aim you can already do more work than you would do with this thing. it just needs a total rework tbh
About the part where it feels like there's a delay between pressing the fire button and the projectile coming out; my guess is that the projectile spawns behind your field of view, and exacerbated by it's slow flight speed, it takes a moment for the projectile to come into your vision
Double the projectile speed and remove the need to reload at all, and it might actually be a decent spam fire weapon.
I've been waiting for this one, hell yeah
I would really love to see the Pomson 6000 be a no ammo pool weapon where you charge shots like a sticky launcher. Uncharged shots travel fast and don't do too much damage. Charged shots can drain uber and cloak, deal more damage, and travel slower.
5:44 That scout. Pain.
My idea on how to make it better:
Give it Slightly sower firing speed, but you never need to reload.
Have it do a bit more damage
Make the projectile faster
Make it able to go through enemies (and teammates)
So its definitely bad? Damn, you could literally pump up the firing speed to the same as the Stock Shotty and the gun automatically becomes useable.
Also, I didn't know that you were actually Uncle Dane, pretty rad lol
God every time you fire that thing in the clips it actually makes me cringe. it's insanely unsatisfying to watch
like watching nails on a chalkboard ngl
It's like watching an action movie where everybody uses normal guns while the protagonist uses a slingshot
@@blurmarsh2265 its like watching every Steven Seagal movie
I remember when I started tf2 In early 2019 or late 2018 i got 2 frontier justice and a pomsom 6000 i turned the 2 frontier justices into scrap metal and kept the pomsom 6000 because I thought it looked cool and futuristic
Since you mentioned taking away the Uber/Cloak drain mechanic, I thought an interesting way to shift the Pomson's "support" role would be to utilise the fact that your shots also hit allies.
The idea I have is that by hitting an ally with the Pomson shot, you give them a "free shot" in their clip, basically letting them fire an extra shot or extra second of rapid fire without using any ammo in their clip (or equivalent).
The only other change I might make is to up the projectile's speed. Trying to give it back its penetration with this new effect feels like it would make it overpowered were you behind your team spamming shots at them.
This sounds strong however, when thinking about it this is just a a extra soldier showing up suddenly when one runs empty, a huo long heater heavy having some extra backup ammo, pyro having a pal behind him air blasting when he’s out of ammo, a demo having some extra sticky’s faster at a slower rate than another demo showing up, a artillery cannon having more up time, scout getting a few extra bullets if he’s lucky, sniper getting a few extra bullets, spy gets more opportunities to shoot, medic… is medic, engi gets some extra rescue ranger bolts.
That’s… not that too bad, if another demo with full ammo can show up after one runs out then this is likely fine since it’s only 4 shots that (probably) only go to one gun and those shots aren’t guaranteed to hit the target. (unless it’s an artillery cannon but nobody’s going to complain since no one sees those anyways unless their on the same team)
Me:ok time to go to sleep so I can do well on my test tomorrow
fsoas:no
It is so weird hearing the Uncle Dane Theme outside of Uncle Danes channel
I think an interesting possible support effect it could have is 25% higher max metal capacity. This would give it a high degree of synergy with the Eureka Effect and might allow for some new rollouts. Then you just have to fix the firing and projectile speed so it's not miserable to use and you might just have something people want to equip.
I think to balance it, It needs a faster projectile speed and a meter that the more you hold the firing button It increases the damage, like the huntsman.
Why rely on a slow projectile to take away 10% of an uber when you can use a stronger hitscan weapon to take away 100% of uber? Lol