valve's idea is that heavy shouldn't be able to go fast and have no mobility options and when he does it should be with major penalty, but it's 15% passive... that makes sense for the GRU but not the poor eviction notice
I've noticed a lot with other Heavy weapons as well. For example, take the Tomislav; The Tomislav doesn't trivialize revving up and positioning, but its faster, silent spin-up time, just fast enough that you can bunny-hop, gives the Heavy a lot more flexibility. However, because of its accuracy bonus, the Tomislav also requires the user to be more precise, something Heavy usually doesn't have to worry about when using the Stock Minigun or other unlocks.
that wasnt even valves idea they wanted heavy to be fast their mistake was listening to the quasi modo 6s comp scene who would cry and mald with any fast heavy. the older team wanted to make him more viable the 2014-17 team tried to pander to the incredible diminute comp scene and made the changes for them when they tried to push tf2 in that direction that all failed and we were left out with a lof of useless weapons
Blame comp players cause they hate the mere thought of heavies being allowed to reach mid even slightly faster, I shit you not they banned the steak too because of the speed boost
@@kR-qj7rw Did they even complain about eviction notice tho? I highly doubt anybody in the competitive scene ever tries melee heavy, let alone trying to utilize eviction's speed boost in comp. Because, let's be real, it wasn't even any useful outside of dedicated semi-effective meme builds in the first place anyway. So i think we are right to blame valve for this one.
They must be like a novelty item Heavy bought at a gas station that are made of rubber. Either that or heavies fists are so strong that putting spikes on his knuckles actually nerfs his punches.
@@OlrikMeister Had a similar idea, myself. The Heavy is so tremendously overconfident in the knuckles that he attacks too quickly to put any actual strength into the punches.
I wonder if the tips of the brass knuckles are very first thing to come and the game somehow ignores that Heavy is also using fist to punch you. Does that mean Heavy is scratching his enemies rather than giving KOs?
exactly, heavy really only has 7 seriously good unlocks (tomislav, natascha, sandvich, banana, GRU, fists of steel) but sadly a lot of heavy's weapon were bad from the start
Ye 1 second speed boost and literally B slapping your opponents for the same 60% less damage per hit but you hit twice to give a excuse of -20% less damage. And it doesnt help matter that this is for class that already specializes at being personal, flamethrower does much better job than some fireproof Glove. Thats just sad amalgamation of Powerjack and Fish.
I personally think the EN is worse than the Hot Hand, cause at least Hot Hand has a function... Use it as a meme weapon, while EN is a terrible meme weapon thanks to te health draining
@@szatid2645 Sorry but we dont talk about meme potential, we are talking about the efficiency, not going for lols. Yes its fun to pretend to be Jojo and using EN at 10x server punching super fast yet you get almost 0% chance to kill your opponent. I just said Pyro's Melees are usually unused unless you could something like Powerjack or Homewrecker but I am more of Homewrecker fan as I hang out near Dispenser and Sentries or near Engineer in general.
Unless your wearing mantreads landIng on top of enemy does nothing outside of being platform at top and blockade at sides or bottom. And Mantreads arent really that practical for goomba stomping
>brass spiked knuckles a weapon so deadly it’s banned in some states. “Yeah let’s give that a damage nerf and make it a hit faster” I’ll never understand
Honestly almost none of the heavy melee debuffs make sense, i could try explaining a few Eviction notice dealing less damage *(heavy focuses on hitting his opponents fast so he sacrifices the force he puts behind his punches)* Bear paws giving you damage vulnerability *(Heavy got cursed by mother nature for ripping off a bear's paws, so everytime he wears them he gets punished by the lord)* Fists of steel giving you melee vulnerability *(Steel fists are too heavy for heavy so he can't block enemies who hit his blind spots)* Gloves of running urgently's health drain *(There are spiders inside the glove, heavy has arachnaphobia so he enters a state of panic and runs faster, but the spiders are venomous so he loses health)* Killing gloves of boxing slow attack speed (The gloves are heavy)
@@Manglet762 all the other classes have a weapon, of course fists won't deal more damage than a pickaxe or a glass bottle, you have to be as strong as saxton hale for that
Let’s be clear, the biggest downside is that the brass knuckles made specifically to increase your damage deal much less damage than bare fists. Just swap the stats with the Warrior’s Spirit to at least make some sense
@@geometrical007 If you make it a bleed weapon, you could rationalize it by saying he's throwing lighter punches to maximize the bleed on the enemy. Heavier punches could cause the wound to seal a bit, and therefore they won't bleed as much.
It is rather funny that two of the most unnecessary Heavy needs came from Valve lumping an inferior weapon with the weapon that *actually needed the nerf.* The Brass Beast got its damage resistance while spun-up nerfed because of the Natascha, and the Eviction Notice got its survivability nerfed because of the GRU.
IMO, Heavy shoudl ahve the Gooba stomp ability of the Mantreads as well as a Counterstrike like movement passive Core Class feature I call Rushing Slav. that allows for 15% more speed when you switch from you main damage dealer aka the miniguns to your other slots, but it also means your other slots are a good base speed for when you need to move and it would stack with the speed boosters. that would make things better for the Heavy in my honest opinion.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge All three were added in the same update as part of a mobster-style set. Them, plus The Capo’s Capper, are part of the “Black Market Business” item set
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 no, when the weapon was first released it had a +40% faster firing speed with a -60% damage penalty to compensate. The speed boost only came later.
"Evict the enemies from this mortal coil" is such a great ending line. Nice video too. Definitely gonna try it out next time I get the urge to fat scout
I’ve tried it, feel free to try it yourself, but in most cases the GRU will outperform the EN. It’s depressing, I love the heavy hot hand, but god the gru just does it better
I honestly think bleed on hit would complement the Eviction Notice as well. With bleed being one of the few DOT's that stack it could compliment the fast swing speed, while also still being a good option with a shotgun, because it get enemies to damage thresholds more reliably.
the eviction notice itself is also spiked, so it could logically make sense. the boston basher and southern hospitality also have spikes to explain the bleed effect. not sure about the shiv
I would love to see the eviction notice take a more criminal-esque root, maybe making it take stuff from the enemies like ammo, forcing enemies into melee fights.
Brass beast, huo long heater, warrior's spirit, buffalo steak sandwich and now eviction notice, heavy is competing with scout for the biggest number of bad weapons
@@duncanchillake8024 the thing with these two classes is that one half of their kits is shit, while the other is so good you'd get yelled at for not using them
I remember Uncle Dane said that when he and a few other creators were invited to Valve HQ for lunch with the TF Team a few years ago that one dev seriously said that if they were to remove any class from the game outright that it would be Sniper. Sucks Valve's internal hierarchal politics prevents anyone from working on the game.
Honestly I can't see a single reason why Heavy's melees in general should have a damage penalty. Considering how powerful his minigun is at close range there's barely any reason to use them offensively to begin with. If anything Heavy's melee should all do at least 85 damage a swing!
Exactly if anybody is dumb enough to get that close to a heavy with his fists out they deserve to get sent back to spawn boxer heavy could be a really funny class if the steak wasn’t so bad and the eviction notice and warriors spirit actually were good and it would still leave the current meta for heavy melee untouched with gru and fists of steel always being better if your actually using your gun
With most bad weapon reviews I see on youtube, they're mostly just a compilation of people being pissy about valve's balance, or their "competitive oriented approach" (despite them being terrible at it for both competitive and casual, your video on the subject explains it well), but I really appreciate the quality of these videos. The way you properly explore all the weapon's possibilities, while accurately pointing out its flaws is something I don't see many other people do as well as you do.
Tf2 is mess today but was gold in its glory days. And yes basing balance around competitive is not exactly best. Like seriously i still dont get why people overrate this weapon while the majority tells them rightfully its dump.
Valve: heavy should have no movement abilities to balance out his high hp and damage. Also Valve: let’s give the class with the second highest hp and damage the highest mobility in the game lol.
excuse you but you do know that they never said that he cant have movement, and soldier requires self damage and hundreds of hours to even use the mobility to its full extent, thats why the eviction notice and the gru have hp drain now and they just take pressing 3 and knowing when to put them away. Also it had nothing to do with comp since most of soldiers mobility and gunboats were given long before tf2 was balanced for comp.
15:45 the Eviction Notice was banned for a couple of seasons on UGC 6s after its change into GRU-lite. One might argue that this was a necessary temporary ban to see how the nerf affected gameplay, but on the other hand Valve might've considered that not nerfing the EN on the same update where they nerfed GRU a couple years later would make it a better option than the GRU for mobility, and thus problematic in 6s. It's all theoretical, of course, since we never saw the original GRU-lite Eviction Notice together with the health drain GRU, but I somewhat see the reasoning behind the nerf.
I honestly loved this weapon before the nerf, the chance for more frequent crit damage was nice and it also was just fun to punch fast. Then they took it out back and told it to think about the rabbits.
"Uhhh we need a new weapon for heavy" "Well how about we make some brass Knuckles that have the damage of a pillow but you get sped boost" " *sounds good to me* "
There are a few situations the eviction notice shines in, finishing off low health enemies, or chasing down a cloaked spy, something heavy can struggle with if he only uses his minigun
Fortunately there's a glitch with the chocolate bar that helps outweigh the stupid health drain of the eviction notice: Drain your health to 100 or near, use chocolate bar, and the bar will actually heal you up to a maximum of near or exactly the amount of health you SHOULD have (350), via overheal health, and yes, as long as you stay on the eviction notice and keep the chocolate bar's +50 max health active, you can keep this overheal health from draining. I loved using eviction notice because it's faster attack speed makes crits more often, so average DPS is higher than it might look because of more frequent crits. Plus, the weapon was basically playing as a slightly less damage (and varyingly slower) but much more health scout. It was dumb, it was a neat chase-down weapon if meleeing and getting the first hit, and originally it was a good berserker weapon with the steak for even more speed to chase people and punch their faces in. I agree though, remove the health drain. The weapon wasn't the best or worst but was kinda at the middle, needed constant hitting but gave heavies a speedy fisticuff option that was dumb but had it's own strengths and weaknesses.
"Guys, guys, how do we stop everyone using the GRU?" "...How about we make a worse version of the GRU?" "Genius! You get a promotion!" "Sir, I'm just a potted plant."
how I'd rebalance the Eviction Notice: • replace the HP drain with a 15% damage vulnerability • give the Eviction Notice a 50% damage penalty, instead of a 60% damage penalty
I feel like they really cpuld reduce the damage penalty a lot since it constantly drains your hp while incentivizing going in to fights. The GRU unironically does its gimmick better since it does stock damage.
It'd be interesting if the Eviction Notice got a mechanic where Medics (Dispensers not included) could help you reach your base maximum health easier to offset the slower base health regen speed (your maximum overheal would still be 450; it's basically treating your lowered base health like you were injured). It would also give Heavy an additional supportive role in helping Medics build Uber, like the Boston Basher or the Half-Zatoichi.
Honestly, the slower health regen after putting away the Eviction Notice isn't even that bad. Sure, it could be iffy with a minigun if you only have 200 HP on contact instead of the usual 300... but 200 HP and rising with a shotgun, especially when you managed to close the gap? That's absolutely nothing to scoff at. It's definitely a melee that pairs better with a shotgun-centric heavy though, to be sure.
Aww man.. This idea's probably been had a million times, but a Primary for Heavy that buffs Fat Scout would be so cool. The Tactical Armor - Make it look like Classic Heavy's gear. Increased move speed, HP regen, damage resistance, secondary ammo, what have you.
Honestly, just giving Heavy access to Lunchbox items in his primary would be all the Fat Scout needs. Fat Scout has perfectly serviceable damage and significantly better responsiveness, that when mixed with his mountain of HP makes him nearly impossible to kill in 1v1 and a solid contender in certain 2v1's, while still retaining enough mobility to avoid damage and force fights you know your opponent can't win. This makes Fat Scout great at operating solo, while regular Heavy outperforms him in a team that can cover him while he gets ready. The only real flaw is a lack of sustainability forcing Fat Scout to waddle his way to health kits after every fight, forcing him into excessive downtime that wouldn't be a problem if he had access to his lunchbox.
Well, guess ehat, in VSH, the eviction notice is most likely if not the best melee in that gamemode that heavy has, so thats where the evicition notice shines the brightest
yeh people don't seem to realize that the fish cake/dalokohs instantly restore your hp to not only 300 but 350 by the time you've finished eating it. you get to the front lines quicker, and then spend a little time getting 50 extra health right before fighting. I use bread bite exclusively on heavy and i swap between fishcake and sandvich about equally, and i feel like fishcake is definitely on par w/ the sandvich, even in highlander. the faster recharge is also a thing, and there's usually a health pack right at your destination when rolling out, so you usually just end up getting there quicker, getting 50 max health, and picking up a health pack to carry over to your teammates who are already fighting.
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 While it's true that the TF2 universe is pretty devoid of logic, I don't think this guy's logic should make you mad. It's understandable to assume that a weapon's design has some tie-in with it's stats. But no, not in tf2 lol
I think itd be fun if it regened 50 max health on hit, and takes a second to start boosting speed instead of taking off 20hp. If these two changes were added i think they would be not only usable but honestly very fun
The Eviction Notice is the perfect example of Valve trying too hard to make the game 'competitive'. They barely changed the white list for community competitive and nerfed everything.
I never understood why Demoman gets so many buffs to his melee and mobility, and Soldier gets without a doubt the single best mobility tool in the game, but Heavy can't ever have either.
Probably because Heavy is a defensive specialist soldier and demo are generalists so don’t massively slow down the game like a well played heavy can Now the best option is give heavy a subclass based primary that isn’t a mini gun since you reduce his sustained damage for increased mobility and this it’s harder to be as defensive They gave demoman a shield why not let heavy get a primary that isn’t just tweaking the stock
Demoman sucks at melee, he is completely vulnerable to getting rushed down, he is a strictly mid range class, that's why he has all these melee options Soldier is actually very slow, his only means of mobility is either self damage or sacrificing his only good source of damage, holding out the escape plan makes you take mini crit damage, concheror lasts like 12 seconds and requires you to deal 500 damage, the whip requires there to be a teammate near you Heavy has the highest health in the game and the highest damage at close range, a 300 health class being able to rush you down at pyro speed would be horrifying, so obviously a fast heavy needs debuffs to his health or damage
The main thing with Heavy getting mobility buffs is that with how tanky he can be and how powerful his minigun is on top of being hitscan instead of projectile-based, Heavy as a class is balanced around his lack of mobility; make him more mobile and suddenly we're introducing a whole host of potential balance issues unless you have this mobility tool either sacrifice like 100 health or take the minigun's slot, but then you're basically just making so the only Heavies getting any use out of that weapon are Fat Scouts. As for melee...why would a Heavy want to punch people when he can just shred them with his minigun point-blank? That's kinda why the GRU has become the dominant melee; it provides utility in being quicker to get to the front lines of battle. Unless you make a melee that's ludicrously powerful, you're just not going to convince people that using your melee when you have ammo is a good idea anywhere outside of DeGroot Keep.
Did you forget who heavy is? Heavy cant have mobility, he has high health and can outdamage anyone at close range. This is exactly why Heavy has worst vertical mobility because he is slow on land.
@@Kryogenix2 i think that'll just get you lost in the weeds using that logic. If that's the case, why does a Christmas Ornament cause bleed, but a fire axe doesn't?
@@MegaKH2fan I mean for the Christmas ornament wouldn't you bleed if a glass ball shattered against your skin after being thrown at the same speed as a baseball?
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Fish please do a series on weapon synergy in the sense of teamwork I haven't seen enough people talk about how team matches are heavily affected by 2 players of the same class working in tandem Eg 2 banner solders (Battalions backup and buff banner) are terrifying especially when paired with direct hit
Dude… I was using the eviction notice for the best purpose the entire time?! I found it effective when doing the shotgun contract and just kept using it for fat scout.
As a heavy main, The Jungle Inferno change was a buff to the GRU, IMO. It was at it's most powerful when it was a health drain instead of a max health drain, but the max health drain is way better than Mark for Death. Made it much better for escaping sticky situations and approaching enemies.
I just had an idea for the Eviction Notice: Make it a hybrid between the RGB and KGB, with both speed *and* crits on kill. With the drawback being that it's less speed and only minicrits.
I use the eviction notice, the panic attack, and the tomislav because you can switch so quickly it can throw people off to have a heavy moving slightly faster then they expect while being revved up and doing damage.
One small advantage I’d give to the eviction notice. Uber building via self damage. The GRU lowers your max health instead of actual damage so overheal is still the same and Uber charge is slowed. By rapidly equipping the notice you can take a load of self damage and keep the charge flowing Ala the Boston basher.
Given your strat of pairing with a shotty, i reckon the Eviction Notice would be a good counterpart to the KGB, instead of limited time crits when you get a kill you get speed (including weapon swapping and rev speed) And put in the third-hit-is-a-crit effect that the gunslinger has
This thing is actually the meta in VSH. Since melee hits deal knockback on Hale and the Eviction Notice swings faster, with careful timing and positioning you can essentially stunlock Hale into a corner.
I just realized how badass heavies dueling with eviction notices are. They’re both desperate to land some kind of hit, while not getting hit themselves, because not only would that out their enemy at an intense advantage with a speed boost, but it will take a much larger percent of their rapidly draining health pool.
maybe they should make it a stacking item, would fit the punch fast kinda thing, no idea how they could do it though but that would be pretty fun to just zoom around Like 4 punches and you zoom making it only good in sustained combat.
Personally, I would change the Eviction Notice to work like this: 15% faster movement speed while deployed. Hitting an enemy gives an additional 15% speed buff for a short time. Hitting an enemy also applies a minor speed decrease on the enemy for the same amount of time. 25% decreased damage resistance while deployed. 50% deployment speed. The concept here is to make the weapon function as an ambush tool that you pull out before a fight against 1-2 foes. You gain a solid movement speed increase that lets you evade attacks and close the distance quicker, and once you hit your target, you both further increase your mobility while also slowing your target, allowing the heavy to either swap to another weapon to finish the job, or try and get a melee kill. It could pair quite well with the buffalo steak sandvich for massive speed as a heavy and the added damage from mini crits, and could make fat scout better as you can reliably hit slowed targets with a shotgun while avoiding taking damage yourself. However, the low duration of these effects makes it difficult to try and use with a minigun (outside of maybe the tomislav with its quick rev time), meaning you would really want to go with melee or a shotgun to get your full effect. Not only that, but the super slow deployment speed makes it something you can't just immediate use while already in a fight, and the lower damage resistance means if you get caught with them out, most classes can shred through you like butter. Idk how balanced this would be for a rework, but I love the idea myself.
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valve's idea is that heavy shouldn't be able to go fast and have no mobility options and when he does it should be with major penalty, but it's 15% passive... that makes sense for the GRU but not the poor eviction notice
I've noticed a lot with other Heavy weapons as well. For example, take the Tomislav; The Tomislav doesn't trivialize revving up and positioning, but its faster, silent spin-up time, just fast enough that you can bunny-hop, gives the Heavy a lot more flexibility. However, because of its accuracy bonus, the Tomislav also requires the user to be more precise, something Heavy usually doesn't have to worry about when using the Stock Minigun or other unlocks.
It makes sense that heavy should be slow. He’s got one of the highest DPS at close range. But they did the eviction notice so dirty
that wasnt even valves idea they wanted heavy to be fast their mistake was listening to the quasi modo 6s comp scene who would cry and mald with any fast heavy.
the older team wanted to make him more viable the 2014-17 team tried to pander to the incredible diminute comp scene and made the changes for them when they tried to push tf2 in that direction
that all failed and we were left out with a lof of useless weapons
Blame comp players cause they hate the mere thought of heavies being allowed to reach mid even slightly faster, I shit you not they banned the steak too because of the speed boost
@@kR-qj7rw Did they even complain about eviction notice tho? I highly doubt anybody in the competitive scene ever tries melee heavy, let alone trying to utilize eviction's speed boost in comp. Because, let's be real, it wasn't even any useful outside of dedicated semi-effective meme builds in the first place anyway. So i think we are right to blame valve for this one.
They must be like a novelty item Heavy bought at a gas station that are made of rubber. Either that or heavies fists are so strong that putting spikes on his knuckles actually nerfs his punches.
Yeah, increasing Heavy's strength causes integer overflow on valve's servers, so damage actually decreases
I believe that heavy pulls his punches back and only hits the enemy with the spikes and not the whole knuckle
@@OlrikMeister Had a similar idea, myself. The Heavy is so tremendously overconfident in the knuckles that he attacks too quickly to put any actual strength into the punches.
I wonder if the tips of the brass knuckles are very first thing to come and the game somehow ignores that Heavy is also using fist to punch you.
Does that mean Heavy is scratching his enemies rather than giving KOs?
@@NeutralDrow nice nasuverse avatar
It’s like there’s a grudge against heavy’s weapons when the jungle infernal update happened
Like they were trying to compensate for the kickassery of the Banana.
Very on-theme since Heavy lost the Meat your Match contest
@FizzleDrunk And yet the Banana is better than most of Pyro's new unlocks. (Looking at you, Gas Passer.)
exactly, heavy really only has 7 seriously good unlocks (tomislav, natascha, sandvich, banana, GRU, fists of steel) but sadly a lot of heavy's weapon were bad from the start
@@4mid1 I mean the brass beast is still a decent option for becoming a sentry
I just realized: The Hot Hand is going to probably be sumarized as, "The Eviction Notice, but worse somehow."
You know a weapon's bad when it's dps is worse than a blown up caber and it's still supposed to actually kill people.
Ye 1 second speed boost and literally B slapping your opponents for the same 60% less damage per hit but you hit twice to give a excuse of -20% less damage.
And it doesnt help matter that this is for class that already specializes at being personal, flamethrower does much better job than some fireproof Glove.
Thats just sad amalgamation of Powerjack and Fish.
I personally think the EN is worse than the Hot Hand, cause at least Hot Hand has a function... Use it as a meme weapon, while EN is a terrible meme weapon thanks to te health draining
@@szatid2645 Sorry but we dont talk about meme potential, we are talking about the efficiency, not going for lols.
Yes its fun to pretend to be Jojo and using EN at 10x server punching super fast yet you get almost 0% chance to kill your opponent.
I just said Pyro's Melees are usually unused unless you could something like Powerjack or Homewrecker but I am more of Homewrecker fan as I hang out near Dispenser and Sentries or near Engineer in general.
@@KL53986 backscratcher is also really good, that damage boost is amazing with crits
4:04 that poor medic having to lift the entirity of heavy's weigh on his head
Uber just saved that medic
Goomba.
Or you’re gonna turn into a goomba!
Unless your wearing mantreads landIng on top of enemy does nothing outside of being platform at top and blockade at sides or bottom.
And Mantreads arent really that practical for goomba stomping
@@KL53986 shut the up
>brass spiked knuckles a weapon so deadly it’s banned in some states.
“Yeah let’s give that a damage nerf and make it a hit faster”
I’ll never understand
the logic behind it was "knuckles are lighter than boxing gloves", probably. but then the stock fists exist
Honestly almost none of the heavy melee debuffs make sense, i could try explaining a few
Eviction notice dealing less damage
*(heavy focuses on hitting his opponents fast so he sacrifices the force he puts behind his punches)*
Bear paws giving you damage vulnerability
*(Heavy got cursed by mother nature for ripping off a bear's paws, so everytime he wears them he gets punished by the lord)*
Fists of steel giving you melee vulnerability
*(Steel fists are too heavy for heavy so he can't block enemies who hit his blind spots)*
Gloves of running urgently's health drain
*(There are spiders inside the glove, heavy has arachnaphobia so he enters a state of panic and runs faster, but the spiders are venomous so he loses health)*
Killing gloves of boxing slow attack speed
(The gloves are heavy)
Heavy's bones are so hard that his bare knuckles are considered a destructive device.
Probably the same spectrum of logic where they looked at the biggest guy you can play as, and made him deal as much base melee damage as most classes.
@@Manglet762 all the other classes have a weapon, of course fists won't deal more damage than a pickaxe or a glass bottle, you have to be as strong as saxton hale for that
Let’s be clear, the biggest downside is that the brass knuckles made specifically to increase your damage deal much less damage than bare fists. Just swap the stats with the Warrior’s Spirit to at least make some sense
Why not just cut the shit and make it a bleed weapon that makes you move slightly faster, swing faster, but do pitiful damage?
Hitting someone with brass does less than a human bone covered in skin
@@luckyducky7819 "warrior spirit 2 electric boogaloo" i want something that works man :(
@@The_whales it is not just brass, it is sharpened brass, which of course should deal more damage than a simple punch
@@geometrical007 If you make it a bleed weapon, you could rationalize it by saying he's throwing lighter punches to maximize the bleed on the enemy. Heavier punches could cause the wound to seal a bit, and therefore they won't bleed as much.
The Eviction Notice got the Step-sibling treatment when the GRU got balanced.
That implies the Eviction Notice is popular.
what are you doing step-glove
It is rather funny that two of the most unnecessary Heavy needs came from Valve lumping an inferior weapon with the weapon that *actually needed the nerf.*
The Brass Beast got its damage resistance while spun-up nerfed because of the Natascha, and the Eviction Notice got its survivability nerfed because of the GRU.
That goomba stomp on the Uber'd medic got a chuckle out of me
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IMO, Heavy shoudl ahve the Gooba stomp ability of the Mantreads as well as a Counterstrike like movement passive Core Class feature I call Rushing Slav. that allows for 15% more speed when you switch from you main damage dealer aka the miniguns to your other slots, but it also means your other slots are a good base speed for when you need to move and it would stack with the speed boosters. that would make things better for the Heavy in my honest opinion.
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Unlike the warrior’s spirit or anything in its set, this has synergy with the tommyslav and family business
Huh, even makes aesthetic sense. Fits the whole mobster theme really well.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge yep
@@labrat_09 BEEN SPENDING MOST OUR LIVES LIVING IN A GANGSTERS PARADISE!
@@dragonguy556 SONIC IS A GANGSTER.....wOw
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge All three were added in the same update as part of a mobster-style set. Them, plus The Capo’s Capper, are part of the “Black Market Business” item set
I used to LOVE the eviction notice when it was just -damage +attack speed, I took a break for about 3 years, and came back to this...
it wasnt -damage +attack speed
it was -damage -durability +attack speed +speed
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 no, when the weapon was first released it had a +40% faster firing speed with a -60% damage penalty to compensate. The speed boost only came later.
The only scout weapon I liked before my break was the sandman. Good times.
@@muddashucka9743 It was +50% speed actually. Yeah even that got nerfed.
absolutely no one:
Valve: we hear you. we'll nerf the Eviction Notice.
Not a single soul:
Valve: agreed, we need to make the Enforcer useless
@@davisdf3064 new enforcer stats: +10% damage when cloaked. +50% cloak drain rate. no critical hits
*Community:* Okay, but at least keep the--
*Valve:* Already on it, we made the Righteous Bison slightly worse
Also Valve: Nerfed GRU
(From Zesty Jesus' tier list)
"Evict the enemies from this mortal coil" is such a great ending line. Nice video too. Definitely gonna try it out next time I get the urge to fat scout
I’ve tried it, feel free to try it yourself, but in most cases the GRU will outperform the EN. It’s depressing, I love the heavy hot hand, but god the gru just does it better
scout eviction in 7 seconds
I love the Ed Edd n Eddy bit at the beginning, I can already tell this is gonna be a great video as usual :)
Anyone that references EE&E is automatically cool
What if there was a mod like that on gamebannana
It put the biggest smile on my face.
I honestly think bleed on hit would complement the Eviction Notice as well. With bleed being one of the few DOT's that stack it could compliment the fast swing speed, while also still being a good option with a shotgun, because it get enemies to damage thresholds more reliably.
*buffalo steak and Eviction Notice*
the eviction notice itself is also spiked, so it could logically make sense. the boston basher and southern hospitality also have spikes to explain the bleed effect. not sure about the shiv
@@Underworlder5 I think the lore is that the shiv is made out of wood that induces bleeding
@@tekaname4188 The shiv has a serrated edge on the broad side of it.
Bleed doesn't stack with the same weapon from you, you need a secondary that causes bleed or other heavy with it to stack
I would love to see the eviction notice take a more criminal-esque root, maybe making it take stuff from the enemies like ammo, forcing enemies into melee fights.
Too fun for tf2
"Forcing enemies into melee fights"
Fist of Steel kind of nudged that idea already
How about knockback since it is the *eviction* notice
How about making it actually deal damage, those are _spiked brass knuckles_ for fish's sake
@@davisdf3064 It should do bleed at least, plus full dmg, maybe make it slower to balance.
it makes you wonder why Heavy seems to get stuck with such underwhelming weapons...
Maybe the heavy update coming in 2050 will help fix this problem
Brass beast, huo long heater, warrior's spirit, buffalo steak sandwich and now eviction notice, heavy is competing with scout for the biggest number of bad weapons
@@duncanchillake8024 the thing with these two classes is that one half of their kits is shit, while the other is so good you'd get yelled at for not using them
probably some of the worst unlocks for one class in the game, every class has better weapon choices
@@4mid1 especially for such an iconic character of TF2 as Heavy
I swear, the reason we have the sniper so imbalanced is that there must have been a sniper mole on the dev team that influenced balance in his favor.
I remember Uncle Dane said that when he and a few other creators were invited to Valve HQ for lunch with the TF Team a few years ago that one dev seriously said that if they were to remove any class from the game outright that it would be Sniper. Sucks Valve's internal hierarchal politics prevents anyone from working on the game.
Sniper is powerfull but what makes him op is the maps and skill of the sniper
@@teetree6661 it's not politics, just devs not wanting to work on it.
@@vyor8837 While yes, they can choose to work on it or not. the higherups in valve will discourage it through reputation and possibly paychecks
@@vyor8837 yeah
and also not getting paid/getting fired for it :\
4:03 The level of disrespect to that ubered combo is over 9000.
Honestly I can't see a single reason why Heavy's melees in general should have a damage penalty. Considering how powerful his minigun is at close range there's barely any reason to use them offensively to begin with. If anything Heavy's melee should all do at least 85 damage a swing!
Exactly if anybody is dumb enough to get that close to a heavy with his fists out they deserve to get sent back to spawn boxer heavy could be a really funny class if the steak wasn’t so bad and the eviction notice and warriors spirit actually were good and it would still leave the current meta for heavy melee untouched with gru and fists of steel always being better if your actually using your gun
With most bad weapon reviews I see on youtube, they're mostly just a compilation of people being pissy about valve's balance, or their "competitive oriented approach" (despite them being terrible at it for both competitive and casual, your video on the subject explains it well), but I really appreciate the quality of these videos. The way you properly explore all the weapon's possibilities, while accurately pointing out its flaws is something I don't see many other people do as well as you do.
Tf2 is mess today but was gold in its glory days.
And yes basing balance around competitive is not exactly best. Like seriously i still dont get why people overrate this weapon while the majority tells them rightfully its dump.
@@KL53986 Balancing things around competitive, highlander esp, is actually a good idea.
If the devs are competent at balance.
Which Valve is not.
@@vyor8837 balancing around comp would cause stuff like quick fix to get nerfed to the ground
@@darkcat6530 quick fix isn't even banned in 6s or highlander though? It's trash compared to Stock and Kritz.
@@vyor8837 it was for a moment i'm pretty sure
10:28 14:34
FishStick once again returned to prove us that Heavy counters Sniper. God bless.
Valve: heavy should have no movement abilities to balance out his high hp and damage.
Also Valve: let’s give the class with the second highest hp and damage the highest mobility in the game lol.
It's some bullshit to do with comp. I hate the changes made specifically for comp.
Also Demoknight.
I mean... Soldier takes damage each time they use their mobility options... So why shouldn't heavy?
excuse you but you do know that they never said that he cant have movement, and soldier requires self damage and hundreds of hours to even use the mobility to its full extent, thats why the eviction notice and the gru have hp drain now and they just take pressing 3 and knowing when to put them away. Also it had nothing to do with comp since most of soldiers mobility and gunboats were given long before tf2 was balanced for comp.
@@vyor8837 *looks at the Rocket Jumper*
He sure does.
5:49 The math is so complicated that just doing it will cause you and your house to explode, hence the warning
Best part of the eviction notice to me is how I once had a guy on the server get one just to get literally evicted from the server (removed by system)
15:45 the Eviction Notice was banned for a couple of seasons on UGC 6s after its change into GRU-lite. One might argue that this was a necessary temporary ban to see how the nerf affected gameplay, but on the other hand Valve might've considered that not nerfing the EN on the same update where they nerfed GRU a couple years later would make it a better option than the GRU for mobility, and thus problematic in 6s. It's all theoretical, of course, since we never saw the original GRU-lite Eviction Notice together with the health drain GRU, but I somewhat see the reasoning behind the nerf.
11:38 you can feel the absolute panic of that soldier
I honestly loved this weapon before the nerf, the chance for more frequent crit damage was nice and it also was just fun to punch fast. Then they took it out back and told it to think about the rabbits.
"Uhhh we need a new weapon for heavy"
"Well how about we make some brass Knuckles that have the damage of a pillow but you get sped boost"
" *sounds good to me* "
This series will continue until all weapons in the game are classified as Bad Weapon.
That one-hit from Market Garden soldier at 6:20 was just precious.
This weapon wouldn't have a 20 hp penalty on draw if heavy didn't insist on punching his palm with it every single time just to prove how tough he is
That Mönkey editing at the beginning put me into a sensory overload induced stroke.
TF2 with Ed Edd n Eddy sound effects is something I didn't know I needed this much.
i gotta give you this just for that first 25 seconds, incredible my man
0:07 That sound affect is what W+m1ing pyros sound like in my head
There are a few situations the eviction notice shines in, finishing off low health enemies, or chasing down a cloaked spy, something heavy can struggle with if he only uses his minigun
It’s the fists of discipline, do you live in a 24/7 2fort server!?!?
Your references are sick bro, everyone knows that.
The gen 3 Pokémon music made me smile the biggest out of all these videos. The surfing theme always brings back memories
Fortunately there's a glitch with the chocolate bar that helps outweigh the stupid health drain of the eviction notice:
Drain your health to 100 or near, use chocolate bar, and the bar will actually heal you up to a maximum of near or exactly the amount of health you SHOULD have (350), via overheal health, and yes, as long as you stay on the eviction notice and keep the chocolate bar's +50 max health active, you can keep this overheal health from draining.
I loved using eviction notice because it's faster attack speed makes crits more often, so average DPS is higher than it might look because of more frequent crits.
Plus, the weapon was basically playing as a slightly less damage (and varyingly slower) but much more health scout. It was dumb, it was a neat chase-down weapon if meleeing and getting the first hit, and originally it was a good berserker weapon with the steak for even more speed to chase people and punch their faces in.
I agree though, remove the health drain. The weapon wasn't the best or worst but was kinda at the middle, needed constant hitting but gave heavies a speedy fisticuff option that was dumb but had it's own strengths and weaknesses.
You are the first person i have ever seen who knows about this
"Guys, guys, how do we stop everyone using the GRU?"
"...How about we make a worse version of the GRU?"
"Genius! You get a promotion!"
"Sir, I'm just a potted plant."
Finally. It's been a while since the last BAD WEAPON ACADEMIA
how I'd rebalance the Eviction Notice:
• replace the HP drain with a 15% damage vulnerability
• give the Eviction Notice a 50% damage penalty, instead of a 60% damage penalty
I feel like they really cpuld reduce the damage penalty a lot since it constantly drains your hp while incentivizing going in to fights. The GRU unironically does its gimmick better since it does stock damage.
It'd be interesting if the Eviction Notice got a mechanic where Medics (Dispensers not included) could help you reach your base maximum health easier to offset the slower base health regen speed (your maximum overheal would still be 450; it's basically treating your lowered base health like you were injured). It would also give Heavy an additional supportive role in helping Medics build Uber, like the Boston Basher or the Half-Zatoichi.
The start of the video felt like a fever dream. I love it 10/10
Honestly, the slower health regen after putting away the Eviction Notice isn't even that bad.
Sure, it could be iffy with a minigun if you only have 200 HP on contact instead of the usual 300... but 200 HP and rising with a shotgun, especially when you managed to close the gap? That's absolutely nothing to scoff at.
It's definitely a melee that pairs better with a shotgun-centric heavy though, to be sure.
Literally all they need to do is revert it back before Jungle Inferno and it would be infinitely better than it currently is
This can be applied to like half of the changes that update brought.
FINALLY I LOVE THE DESIGNS OF THIS WEAPON THANK YOU FOR FINALLY COVERING IT
These look really cool, shame GRU is basically a straight upgrade in terms of utility.
Just wanted to say good use of music with this one. The song choices were great and it was timed to the sections of the video very smoothly.
TF2 balancing always has the most badass and sinister looking weapons doing damage equivalent to a wet noodle.
This is adorable! It’s currently 12:38 AM at night for me, I’m tired, and I’m going to go to bed with this, thank you😴☁
Aww man.. This idea's probably been had a million times, but a Primary for Heavy that buffs Fat Scout would be so cool.
The Tactical Armor - Make it look like Classic Heavy's gear. Increased move speed, HP regen, damage resistance, secondary ammo, what have you.
Honestly, just giving Heavy access to Lunchbox items in his primary would be all the Fat Scout needs. Fat Scout has perfectly serviceable damage and significantly better responsiveness, that when mixed with his mountain of HP makes him nearly impossible to kill in 1v1 and a solid contender in certain 2v1's, while still retaining enough mobility to avoid damage and force fights you know your opponent can't win. This makes Fat Scout great at operating solo, while regular Heavy outperforms him in a team that can cover him while he gets ready. The only real flaw is a lack of sustainability forcing Fat Scout to waddle his way to health kits after every fight, forcing him into excessive downtime that wouldn't be a problem if he had access to his lunchbox.
@@calsalitra4689 It would also open the way for a Dispenser playstile. A heavy with nothing but lunchboxes and the GRU.
Oh man, I LOVE ORAS’s OST. Such a banger, and it’s a pleasure to hear it as background music in the video.
Well, guess ehat, in VSH, the eviction notice is most likely if not the best melee in that gamemode that heavy has, so thats where the evicition notice shines the brightest
This is why I like your channel you’re trying to make bad weapons to good by telling fun but good technique keep up the amazing work
Unless it’s the back scatter. Not much to help that one
@@thetrophygamer3606 true lol
It would be cool if it gave you like 10 seconds of speed, 10 seconds of 1 regen a second, and 10 seconds of 10% damage resistance
yeh people don't seem to realize that the fish cake/dalokohs instantly restore your hp to not only 300 but 350 by the time you've finished eating it. you get to the front lines quicker, and then spend a little time getting 50 extra health right before fighting. I use bread bite exclusively on heavy and i swap between fishcake and sandvich about equally, and i feel like fishcake is definitely on par w/ the sandvich, even in highlander. the faster recharge is also a thing, and there's usually a health pack right at your destination when rolling out, so you usually just end up getting there quicker, getting 50 max health, and picking up a health pack to carry over to your teammates who are already fighting.
Can someone explain to me why a pair of brass knuckles deal less damage than just Heavy’s fists?
Value balance that’s why
for balance
you make me mad, why are you looking for logic, in tf2
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 While it's true that the TF2 universe is pretty devoid of logic, I don't think this guy's logic should make you mad. It's understandable to assume that a weapon's design has some tie-in with it's stats. But no, not in tf2 lol
Oh I love the audio at the start.
Brought back so many memories.
I think itd be fun if it regened 50 max health on hit, and takes a second to start boosting speed instead of taking off 20hp. If these two changes were added i think they would be not only usable but honestly very fun
0:21 fish takes advantage of random crits im shaking and crying
The Eviction Notice is the perfect example of Valve trying too hard to make the game 'competitive'. They barely changed the white list for community competitive and nerfed everything.
was watching the back scatter episode whilst buying a pro back scatter kit before this came out.
great timing fish, love your vids
I never understood why Demoman gets so many buffs to his melee and mobility, and Soldier gets without a doubt the single best mobility tool in the game, but Heavy can't ever have either.
Balance reasons?
Probably because Heavy is a defensive specialist soldier and demo are generalists so don’t massively slow down the game like a well played heavy can
Now the best option is give heavy a subclass based primary that isn’t a mini gun since you reduce his sustained damage for increased mobility and this it’s harder to be as defensive
They gave demoman a shield why not let heavy get a primary that isn’t just tweaking the stock
Demoman sucks at melee, he is completely vulnerable to getting rushed down, he is a strictly mid range class, that's why he has all these melee options
Soldier is actually very slow, his only means of mobility is either self damage or sacrificing his only good source of damage, holding out the escape plan makes you take mini crit damage, concheror lasts like 12 seconds and requires you to deal 500 damage, the whip requires there to be a teammate near you
Heavy has the highest health in the game and the highest damage at close range, a 300 health class being able to rush you down at pyro speed would be horrifying, so obviously a fast heavy needs debuffs to his health or damage
The main thing with Heavy getting mobility buffs is that with how tanky he can be and how powerful his minigun is on top of being hitscan instead of projectile-based, Heavy as a class is balanced around his lack of mobility; make him more mobile and suddenly we're introducing a whole host of potential balance issues unless you have this mobility tool either sacrifice like 100 health or take the minigun's slot, but then you're basically just making so the only Heavies getting any use out of that weapon are Fat Scouts.
As for melee...why would a Heavy want to punch people when he can just shred them with his minigun point-blank? That's kinda why the GRU has become the dominant melee; it provides utility in being quicker to get to the front lines of battle. Unless you make a melee that's ludicrously powerful, you're just not going to convince people that using your melee when you have ammo is a good idea anywhere outside of DeGroot Keep.
Did you forget who heavy is?
Heavy cant have mobility, he has high health and can outdamage anyone at close range.
This is exactly why Heavy has worst vertical mobility because he is slow on land.
thank you for the ed edd n eddy sfx in the intro, loved the nostalgia.
Judging by the spikes on the eviction notice, I believe they should cause some bleed damage on hit
Is it really as spikey as the other bleed weapons though?
@@Kryogenix2 i think that'll just get you lost in the weeds using that logic.
If that's the case, why does a Christmas Ornament cause bleed, but a fire axe doesn't?
@@MegaKH2fan I mean for the Christmas ornament wouldn't you bleed if a glass ball shattered against your skin after being thrown at the same speed as a baseball?
@@MegaKH2fan and it isn't necessarily the barbed wire on the axtinguisher that's hitting them
fact:eviction notice still swings slower than scout melees.
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Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
there's pipebomb in your mailbox
I do not know how but you have managed to breath new life into a long forgotten weapon for me
Fish please do a series on weapon synergy in the sense of teamwork
I haven't seen enough people talk about how team matches are heavily affected by 2 players of the same class working in tandem
Eg 2 banner solders (Battalions backup and buff banner) are terrifying especially when paired with direct hit
idea: Brass knuckles gains a attack speed boost the longer you hold the attack, but similar to minigun rev, it needs to unrev to switch out
Dude… I was using the eviction notice for the best purpose the entire time?! I found it effective when doing the shotgun contract and just kept using it for fat scout.
As a heavy main, The Jungle Inferno change was a buff to the GRU, IMO. It was at it's most powerful when it was a health drain instead of a max health drain, but the max health drain is way better than Mark for Death. Made it much better for escaping sticky situations and approaching enemies.
Heavy's bare fists: Devastating Damage
Heavy's bare fists with the addition of sharp metal spikes: -60% damage
Wow. A video about the Eviction Notice, and not a single JoJo's Bizarre Adventure reference. I'm impressed!
Love the Ed edd n eddy sounds in the intro XD
no cap, ur channel might have gotten me into tf2 again might start grinding hours
11:51 what little kids feel like when they rapid slap each other over a cookie
even after i stopped playing tf2 i still stick around to watch your channel. keep up the good work man.
I'll be honest. This is my favourite part of TF2 youtube. Guides,to bad weapons.
even as a buffalo steak enthusiast, i question the eviction notice's existence.
I just had an idea for the Eviction Notice: Make it a hybrid between the RGB and KGB, with both speed *and* crits on kill. With the drawback being that it's less speed and only minicrits.
I use the eviction notice, the panic attack, and the tomislav because you can switch so quickly it can throw people off to have a heavy moving slightly faster then they expect while being revved up and doing damage.
that was the best intro ive ever witnessed
One small advantage I’d give to the eviction notice.
Uber building via self damage. The GRU lowers your max health instead of actual damage so overheal is still the same and Uber charge is slowed. By rapidly equipping the notice you can take a load of self damage and keep the charge flowing Ala the Boston basher.
Not sure if anyone said so, but loved the Intro, loved the bits of Edd, Ed, and Eddy. Best part it fit so well. good video.
nothing like some good 'ol Ed Edd 'n Eddy audio clips too start off a video
Given your strat of pairing with a shotty, i reckon the Eviction Notice would be a good counterpart to the KGB, instead of limited time crits when you get a kill you get speed (including weapon swapping and rev speed)
And put in the third-hit-is-a-crit effect that the gunslinger has
I really hope this wearpon is gonna be viable in the future I love how it looks and that the main idea is to make heavy faster
This thing is actually the meta in VSH. Since melee hits deal knockback on Hale and the Eviction Notice swings faster, with careful timing and positioning you can essentially stunlock Hale into a corner.
I just realized how badass heavies dueling with eviction notices are. They’re both desperate to land some kind of hit, while not getting hit themselves, because not only would that out their enemy at an intense advantage with a speed boost, but it will take a much larger percent of their rapidly draining health pool.
maybe they should make it a stacking item, would fit the punch fast kinda thing, no idea how they could do it though but that would be pretty fun to just zoom around
Like 4 punches and you zoom making it only good in sustained combat.
Inlove the Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy noises you used. Especially the Rulf ones.
Personally, I would change the Eviction Notice to work like this:
15% faster movement speed while deployed.
Hitting an enemy gives an additional 15% speed buff for a short time.
Hitting an enemy also applies a minor speed decrease on the enemy for the same amount of time.
25% decreased damage resistance while deployed.
50% deployment speed.
The concept here is to make the weapon function as an ambush tool that you pull out before a fight against 1-2 foes. You gain a solid movement speed increase that lets you evade attacks and close the distance quicker, and once you hit your target, you both further increase your mobility while also slowing your target, allowing the heavy to either swap to another weapon to finish the job, or try and get a melee kill. It could pair quite well with the buffalo steak sandvich for massive speed as a heavy and the added damage from mini crits, and could make fat scout better as you can reliably hit slowed targets with a shotgun while avoiding taking damage yourself. However, the low duration of these effects makes it difficult to try and use with a minigun (outside of maybe the tomislav with its quick rev time), meaning you would really want to go with melee or a shotgun to get your full effect. Not only that, but the super slow deployment speed makes it something you can't just immediate use while already in a fight, and the lower damage resistance means if you get caught with them out, most classes can shred through you like butter. Idk how balanced this would be for a rework, but I love the idea myself.
1:45 wait there's WATER there?!
fish there's no way that i installed ed edd and eddy sfx as my hitsound and then you come out with this intro i CANNOT believe it
That intro is one of the most glorious things I've ever seen on the internet.
The eviction notices damage and attack speed can be exactly like scouts AND keep the speed boost. That sounds fair enough.