Our Mazda RX8 modified DRIFT MISSILE | Cheap buy or DISASTER?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- A Mazda RX8 as a drift car? Surely they are too under-powered, too un-reiliable and not worth the money? Well, we decided to put that to the test and see if they are fun for the cheap price they now sell for. Mazda wanted the RX8 to be a fun sports car, so surely they are pretty good out the box? Our Mazda drift car will be an ongoing project on the channel, so let's see how long it lasts on track?
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Maintenance and upgrades: Ideally a thermostat upgrade so it opens at lower temperature. Always let it warm up all the way before ripping it. Blip the throttle as you turn it off to avoid flooding. High power starter recommended. I'd suggest changing the engine coils right away as those seem to go bad around 80k kilometers. Check engine oil all the time and do oil changes about 1.5 to twice as often as you would with other vehicles. Conventional oil only unless you block off the OMP and go full premix only. Premix: 8-10 ml per liter depending on how hard you're going to drive. -- And most importantly, it's healthy for the engine to beat the hell out of it. Rotaries are way happier closer to redline and revving it over 6k opens the secondary throttle body actuators, preventing carbon buildup in the engine. As we rotary folks say, "A redline a day keeps the carbon away."
No point blocking the OMP, either leave it in place and run premix too, or convert to a SOHN adapter, in which case you could still premix if you are abusing the car. Sounds like its probably already low on compression judging by that startup. The VDI, SSV and Aux valves open at different points, all of which get naffed up by high temps on the solenoids, particularly the VDI one which is on the bottom of the stack.
Mazda would check my engine and knew I was acting a fool out there. They said there was no carbon every. I was gong through tires as fast as I was getting oil changes. I miss that car
More RX8 content please... from a fellow RX8 track car owner.
me too!
I second that
Rotaries like abuse. I think you'll be surprised and it'll last longer than expected. Keep the fuel above quarter tank though and definitely do an oil and coolant flush before any track time.
Hellyeah 🤘 There should be more drift RX-8
More content coming soon!
oh hey Steven
@@hugoblack1673 Hey 👋
Do not touch the throttle whilst starting (you will flood the engine)
Get uprated coils and plugs-RRP coils- d585 coils
Premix is a very well talked about subject with a split decision of do and don’t!
Let it warm up before driving hard and let cool down? Like most cars
That must be the happiest Dave has been with a purchase all series! Big happy head on him!
Honestly Dave I don't think you'll get too many practice days out of that thing
@Drift games 5 practice days
it really depends on what the previous owner did to the engine. If they did the proper upkeep. They last quite a long time if doing the proper maintenance. I got over 144k miles on mine (original engine) as the second owner before my compression failed. Getting new engine now that I will be maintaining correctly from the beginning.
That said, 144k miles on a "supposedly" unreliable engine is pretty good in direct comparison to some other engines that can fail at about the same mileage. For reference, the rotary engine lasted much longer than the engine in my previous car 2nd gen Eclipse.
It looked na it should be fine
Since you asked. The trick to rotaries is to drive them hard after they've warmed up. The engines love high RPMs. It's actually one way to help them last longer as it decreases carbon build up. Carbon build up is what usually takes out the apex seals.
Premixing (adding 2 cycle oil) to the fuel during fill up helps lube the apex seals and protects both apex seals and wall housing from premature wear. 3rd thing is always check the oil and keep it topped off. The rotary engine burn oil by design. As it injects oil into the combustion chamber to lube the apex seals. If you premix well enough, you can mod the engine to bypass using engine oil for this.
That's basically it for longer engine life in rotaries and specifically the RX-8's Renesis 13b. Adding a Turbo introduces problems that will vastly shorten engine life if the rotors and specifically the apex seals aren't re-enforced to handle the additional pressure.
This is all information I learned from owning one and the shop Rotary Performance gave me as they work on and tune my RX-8.
Rotary life is a joy... can be very reliable, it's the plumbs who treat them as a standard car that cause the issues, changing gear at 4k and doing 2 mile journeys, then complaining it wont start!
They limit at just over 9k, they don't start pulling till 6k with the 231bhp version. Premixing isn't as essential on the 8's as the metering pump is a stepper motor, so any issues it will flag up on the dash and drop in to limp mode.
They need to be redlined every outing, but on track this won't be an issue, rev up to 3k and hold it there for a moment before you switch it off, as this sweeps the housing of any fuel so everything is clean for start up (no flooding) and a slight bit of throttle when starting!
Stock LSD will overheat and fail very quickly drifting, so weld it if it's not been done yet, and have plenty of fuel.... on the Pembrey small track we did a full tank and 2 jerry cans, and killed 20 part warn tyres in a day (think the lowest tread was 4mm.)
could do with cut knuckles for more lock, but clearance on the arms is tight on wide wheels so might be worth dropping down in width from the 5Zigen. Also if you drop below 5k it will just keep dropping, get it above 6 and it will spin to 9k ;)
Thanks for the advice man! Totally answered our questions there!
Dont usually comment, but I have one of these, if its struggling to start hold pedal straight to the floor while turning over the engine and it will cut the fuel to the engine to let it cycle the petrol and oil out of housing. Then lift pedal slowly to start fuel flow 🤙🏼
Great advice dude! Really good to know
Best vlog in a few weeks, cars covered, and absolutely top exchanges between all :) Great content.......and I think the RX-8 will surprise you all by NOT imploding straight away!
Thanks dude! We are trying to cram in a lot into the episodes!
YESSSS!!!!!!! Finally an rx8 been waiting for some one to work on one for year 😭😁😁👍🔥🇬🇧❤️
Keep on top of the oil level, they are designed to burn “crankcase” oil (unless you delete the OMP) so need regular top ups, also regular oil changes. I would say run a bit of premix just for a bit of extra safety and keep a close eye on temps, heat is one of the big killers of rotaries. Since you are going to be beating on it a lot I would say probably put a bigger rad in it, some good fans, and maybe some duct work. As long as you warm it up properly, keep on top of maintenance fluids, etc. and take good care of it, it should treat you well.
Great advice man!
Tips for the 8 that might help,. Get a larger battery with more cca and boot mount it, it will free up engine bay space and help cooling as at the moment the battery is sitting on the rad.
When you run the new battery wires, bring the positive straight to the starter and then to the fuse box. This will help cranking speed and hide low compression problems.
You should not need to rev it before turning it off.
I think I use to run about 250ml of premix to a tank, may need to check that tho.
Put a catch can in the vac line going to the intake from the top of the oil filler body. These cars have a tendency to burp and cover your mad in oil.
You will probably need to have a look at the diff at some point. The "super lsd's" have a habit of cracking and becoming inconsistent.
How have you lads not got way more subs great content love the cars and only down the road 🇮🇪
Had mine for 4 years now and it's quite simple. Boils down to premix , letting it warm up before ripping on it ( super important), a good ignition system, making sure cooling system works properly and decat if possible. Mine has been more reliable than the BMWs and VWs in my household. Also unless the engine is ported, the start up at 13:22 may indicate that compression is getting low , if starter and ignition are good or if the car is not flooded
Great info man!
@@driftgames_lifeNp, awesome video ! I'm new to the channel , looking forward to seeing more, looks like you guys have some cool cars !!
also now thinking about it the slow and struggling start is caused by the ignition system and the starter and as for maintenance oil changes after each track day and topping it up regularly. you can run premix to provide more lubrication and since you have a cat delete there is no damage to be caused and that only provides an extra layer of saftey
the rx8 is frankly a perfect fun car for a car guy I mean you can fit 4 adults over 6 feet tall (182+ cm) insurance companies price it very cheaply since its technically a 1.3 saloon, can get you 30 mpg if you are really trying and being efficient, can last you over 130K miles providing you bought a decent one and take good care of it and start as cheap as 800 euros for a decent one more people should actually consider it for a first car as I am about to get one for my first car.
*oh and of course it has a rotary engine how could you forget*
I always liked them and this one was super cheap, so I decided to try it out!
So looking forward to the rx8 content. Get the oil and filter changed and maybe some fresh plugs
I want this car to last so bad, wanted one but the negative stigma around them have always put me off! Prove em all wrong please haha
We are hoping it’s all a myth (but probably not 😂)
+1
Here's hoping haha
Curious to see if the RX8 lasts! Think you’ll find it’ll burn more fuel than the Mustang would!
Good to see the MX5 making progress too! Kudos.
I think letting rotaries idle up to temperature is good for longevity, think I remember fella saying that. Great content as always 🤣
Premix 100ml per full tank id go for motul 800 pre mix. Change the oil and filter before and after track day and use 15w40 mineral oil, don't overfill or you will get oil burp and could potentially blow the engine. Keep and eye on heat temps when your on track and you should be grand. 😁
Great advice man! Much needed!
@@driftgames_life if your stuck for parts gimme a shout I've 2 hear with spares as I'm making my own rx8 drift car not rotary though v8 😅 pandem kitted one for road use 😁
Soo much content and quality videos . Awesome🇮🇪
You should get an Angel Motorsport engine for the RX8
Aaaahhh miss my RX-8 ... should NEVER have sold it! BRILLIANT car on a nice tight back road. Drinks more oil than petrol tho 😂 ... 5 practices at least!
he laughed how far back the engine is... that's actually a good thing!
Hope the rx8 goes hard! I've been thinking about getting one
Oh my 😍 I don’t care if it’s not reliable I’d buy it anyday
I’d say 2 drift days 1 for one rota then 2nd one for the other 😂😂 great vid lads
"Wayne sent me this link, he can go feck off now"
Anyone else think Dave would fell into a Father Ted moment 🤣🤣
Rx8 will be a fun car best to use top quality fully synthetic 2 stroke oil in the fuel
Best of luck with the steering rack on the RX8, they get a bit unhappy with extended lock
Make sure to let them warm up, before driving on them. Rotaries do need some love.
I'll give you a day in the rx8 dave b4 somthing goes in it😂 loving the vids🤙
Just make sure that when you move it/ any time you turn it on and it is cold, you must let it warm up. Otherwise the engine will flood. If your engine ever does flood, turn the car on with your foot all the way down the accelerator and itll turn over with the absence of gas and will deflood. Also, if the cat is out, premix one ounce of 2 stroke with one gallon of gas(dont know the conversion to Liters.) If you still have the cat, remove it
Huge rotary head. Daily drive an 11 R3. Look them up they’re gorgeous. I can give you the quick and dirty on Rx8’s if you would like.
I think you should get a compression check done to find out, but if it has decent compression you could get a lot out of it. A hard to start engine doesn't necessarily mean low compression. Rotaries love to be revved and driven hard, more than piston engines and will clean out the carbon build up that causes seal wear. I'm currently building an FD drift car, and I've had my 2010 RX8 R3 for 6 years and put 55k miles on it. I'm about to hit 100k miles. Definitely make sure you have upgraded ignition. Either IGN-1A or the Black Halo Racing kit. A bad coil will cause hard starts and power loss without the car driving or idling rough so it's tough to tell unless you know how it drives normally. I've been through replacing a bad coil 3 different times now, even with GM coils. It's tough on coils because of the much shorter charge duration, so they build up more heat.
Now i want to get a rx8 so wich rx8 should i get if i want to drift
Didn't Shadow Rotary previously mention they would cover an engine if they built it? I'd always been thinking, could be an affordable track car option.
Yes on a juice box video, im pretty sure they cover for a number of years at least.
Love them wheels on the 8
Love it! i'll soon to be an rx8 owner again xD with an interesting engine to be put in. again..
From the sound of her while starting, I think your main rotor bearings might be sloppy enough to reduce compression. Since it's a Series 1, I'd suggest modifying or replacing the oil pressure regulators with higher pressure regulators, which will help you preserve the remaining bearings better. I'd also strongly recommend you replace the plastic coolant tank, as that part can fail without warning, and your engine will die very shortly afterward (personal experience). I'd also recommend Evans waterless coolant, for better peak temperature control around the exhaust ports and spark plugs (again, personal experience). Definitely upgrade the ignition coils, or, at a minimum, get the latest iteration (the original mid 2003 production for the 2004 model year are only good for about 40,000Km; but they got better - I personally use D585 coils that have been on the car without issue since the original coils failed). Replace the Series 1 starter with eh Series 2 version.
What did you use to unseize the coilovers?
I'm going to say 1 practice day before something breaks, and another before a swap happens.
Your Going to have some fun with the RX8.
I agree with the 3 practice days before something needs to be worked on.
Does it have load bearing headlights as well ?
Top job as always guys, Josh, how about a video on editing in Final Cut Pro? Sort of car related but would be very interesting to watch and you wouldn't have to give away all of your secrets
Josh - fitting a wheel spacer will allow you more clearance on both the upper arm and the steering arm. Just a potentially simple solution to see what your possibilities can be.
Yes but it also increases scrub radius which means the wheel may start to make contact with bodywork or the chassis.
@@OverdriveMediaNZ true indeed, but for testing purposes its a cheaper/easier alternative, could even be that a spacer is needed to fill the arch 🤷♂️
Next be drift jaz on a hat
Is there no part 2
yes more rx8 modes...... pre mix is a must cant wait to see whats next .......
Always thought these looked deadly but could never just bring myself to buy one, that being said I’ve started looking at them a lot more recently. Rx8 with a k24 turbo would be the move
They are sort of the last affordable fun JDM car
@@davidegan3663 and the decent ones with rebuild engines seem to be going up in value or at least not losing any over the past few years
This one was €2500, so worth a gamble
If it’s not already removed please remove the oil squirter in the block, one of the reasons these engines get such a bad rep is they burn engine oil instead of pre mix, removing this and running a good ratio or pre mix will make it much happier, plus get ready to change oil and spark plugs allot!
Good advice man! We are thinking that!
@@driftgames_life once the oil squirted is removed you can use a thicker oil too, will help stop that rotary from eating its self!
I run a 2004 RX8 231bhp and have had about a dozen practice days out of it so far and nothing has gone wrong yet, they do need looking after and some TLC to keep them reliable though. They cheap to buy but pricey to run, the oil and fuel consumption is terrible, aftermarket parts to make them more driftable are thin on the ground and a ridiculous price compared to an E36/46 for instance. But they can be bought cheap, mine came with the cat which was worth more than I paid for the car when I sold it and put in a decat pipe. Wire in the fans for cooling. Either disconnect the little control module inside to turn all the driving aids off or just hold in the TCS button for like 10 seconds to turn the driver aids off. On a wet track with the LSD they can do plenty of sliding, make a great noise, have to keep the revs up over 4k, but they rev all the way to 9k. So until I can afford a 350z this will be my missile, could learn in worse. If someone did aftermarket parts for them they would be alot more popular and you can always swap out the engine for something more reliable and with more torque. Good luck with it lads, looking forward to see what you do to her, the RX8 deserves more love than they get.
Great advice dude! We will look into all of that for sure 😊
Hey bro where did you get your plastic tiles for the floor from?
Tuff Tile
Love the RX-8 !
Get onto the Irish rotary page. Let it warm up properly before revving the crap out of it. Alloy rad might be wise move also.
Good shout dude, we will look into that!
I give the RX-8 5 practice days before either the engine blows (because rotary) or something else goes wrong. Sounds absolutely mint though
I'm thinking the same. But hopefully I have a unicorn that stays going!
We’ll find out when we can shred in Mondello again
Can you use the angle kit on an rx8 or is the suspension not quite the same
We actually could 😊
Wheels look mint on it!
There will be any cars left at this point drift games will own them all
So I built one on RUclips and premix 3 squirts to 20l should do it 😂 and yea it will break down and flood best thing to do is then spark plugs out and blow torch to them but all in all keep rpm over 6k all the time drifting and delayed clutch kicks needed 😂👍🏻 you will find out soon enough but I loved my rx8 great cheap car to drift
Great advice that we will take man!
is that a custom balljoint?
wont be able to win the sim rig, man this is a shame for me would be insane having it
Question is what happened to the Rx8 no update vidz? ahha i just wana see how long the rear end lasts,,ahha
It was sold unfortunately to pay for a new SR29 for the MX5
@@driftgames_life bugger well you gotta do what you gota do i guess,i hope you lads get another one sometime i wana see how much abuse the rearends ca take ahha anyway keep up the content and all the best for 2022
I'm pretty sure Josh called the spindle/knuckle a hub.
I'm really interested on what the different suspension settings does to the way the car behaves and feels.
Hub is another word for a knuckle 🤔
clean rx8, 4 practice days i think
Throw about half a litre of 2 stroke into a full tank be grand
And if u want to get a remap on it Jamie Reid can do that car was mapped already years ago by him, but he's the only one doing them down here
Hot start seems ropey 🙈 looks the part tho. Get Wayne to stick a k24 in when it blows up
Let’s hope we don’t need to annoy Wayne anymore!
That rx8 would’ve been much much much better build over the mx-5 😪 and corvette is bad ass
The MX5 is way cooler!
@@driftgames_life the rx8 is more manly 💪🤣 love the channel guys sweet sweet builds 👌👌👌
Any other videos on the rx8?
When will drift games sketchers be available?
Collab coming soon 😂
They seem to last longer as track cars the rotary loves being thrashed, great cars to drive just terrible on fuel and not the most reliable 😂 still miss mine
Just don't start it and turn it off straight away or it floods just make sure it's warmed up and you can turn it off normally
Good Luck with the RX8 hope it's 13B treats you nicely and if you want details check out car throttle videos for a few tips.
Thanks for the advice man and thanks!
@@driftgames_life Any other videos on the rx8?
Hit up the vargas brothers to get more info, extremely helpful in making rotaries run for a long time
Where is the rx8 drift day ? Four months gone by and nothing. So it blew up straight after ?
who makes the angle kit
FDF and Wisefab have got kits for the RX8
im giving this car the benefit of the doubt 7 practice days and the ultimate question dave is an rx8 worth it as a missile car?
I guess we are about to find out!
@@driftgames_life im waiting on dave as a reliable source to help determine my first drift car i dont know if i should be scared
Is this thing still alive?
What happened with the Rx8???
Pandam the RX8
bro that is a sick Rx8
Great video, I recon it would be more helpful if Blaine didn’t roll the wheel over the kit
He’s clumsy like that 😂
Great video guys!! Dave your a car addict lol!!
Is that a starlet
Yep!
A wheel spacer or bigger offset wheels will get you more lock 🔐 too 💯
Ye this was a pretty quick test, we’ve messed with camber and spacers since and got more lock.
Josh, maybe go for a 8j wheel,
This is the smallest wheel strom do so we’re trying to make this work.
@@joshholdsworth4110 I've found the same issues with my 9.5j on my s13, with the geo3 kit, my geo 2 had less lock so cleared easyer, but I've had to space it out an extra 25 mm more to clear but now the bumpers and skirts are having a hard time lol
So did the RX8 last? Haven't seen any videos on it again.
It was sold to our sponsor and he’s prepping it for the bash in November so we will see how it gets on
Love it
Dave's going to kill himself in the RX-8 in the first drift day 😂😂😂
Dave how are you can you tell me please ..what is the plug you discontent to do burnout. Thanks
The abs sensor
Super late to the party here, but just hold the DSC button for 7 seconds and it will turn off DSC and Traction Control. Just pressing it only turns off DSC.
What's happening with the blue Impreza in the background?
It’s owned by a guy who emigrated, he’s shipping it soon
@@driftgames_life Oh right
Wants a reliable rx8...
Step 1. Replace engine with a s8 REW
Step 2. BIIIG BOII TURBSKI 🤙
Job done!!
Ya I had one before. Lasted for a days worth of messing 😂😂
😱
@driftgames in fairness mine had the hot start issue when I got it home 😂😂
Turn a honda jazz into a jazzy drift car
Never fail to make me laugh! ~ 3 practice days
Has Rx8 ,g/box jamed in 2nd gear yet ? It sound like a 2 Sroke..turn 🔑 = dur dur dur dur...RENISIS...💯💥🤘...20B,,,,ITB,,,TTI SEQUENTIAL
Haha... I just bought one and it is 40th anniversary edition 😜😜😜
They are hidden gem!
@@driftgames_life hiden gem with a bad reputation.... Never run on cold engine.... And install oil temp as soon as if you wamt to drift.... Engine is sky roof price
Poor Josh :(
8:55 he said dodo
wtf ???? you guys didnt do anymore content on the rx8 ??? :(
no action shots besides the burnout ?? no drifting clips / videos ??
It was sold to fund an engine rebuild on Josh’s car about a year ago unfortunately