What is great about an SG is how the neck pickup is closer to the bridge, to me it sound less muddy and a more usable tone for a guy that doesn't live up the neck in solo territory.
That's the thing, right there. Bridge pickup doesn't sound all that different from a LP, but that neck pickup has a totally unique tone. 90s grunge players loved them. And they're cheap, so you don't have to baby them.
I am of the generation that loved AC/DC, but I never liked the SG. It's the horns. It looks like you're playing a pitchfork. And I don't like the neck strap button location. I could never get comfortable with the strap twisted like that. But now that I'm pushing a million years old and have arthritis in my neck, any guitar that weighs in below 7 lbs. is on my list so I'm looking at SGs. That said, I found an Epiphone Les Paul that came in at exactly 7 lbs. It's fully weight relieved, of course.
Great take. There's also a hidden gem in the PRS Core world that not a lot of people know about. The PRS Mira. Unfortunately, it's not part of the core lineup anymore and a bit hard to find at the moment. It's pretty much a SG, but from a different company. I got my core MIRA for less than 1000$ CAN including the OG case. It's a killer guitar.
SGs have always been great guitars, and one of the most 'rock &. roll' shapes ever. (You really don't see SGs in country or jazz very often, do you?) But honestly, if you're picking out guitars based on what other people think, you've already lost.
Grace Bowers hype is unreal, before the SG hype I felt some Jazzmaster hype as well, thanks to Chris Buck and Lemmo from Norms...with SGs it's Derek Trucks all day...cool Video man, being a "fill in guitar" guy is so funny and I bet you will be a lot more in the future cause it's just fun
Gibson recently released the LP Modern Lite, when they should have made an SG Modern Lite and priced it for $1200. A guitar like that would be huge among younger people.
I learned to play on my dad’s sg copy (Electra or Elektra?). Loved it, low action/light/sounded awesome/looked cool. Neck dive is solved with a decent strap, it’s a nothing-burger
I have an SG tribute from 3 years ago, and idk why, but I got lucky with that one. Honestly, I agree it's the gibson that is obtainable . If you have been playing a few years and want a gibson, I say go for the SG.
An Epiphone G-400R was the first decent guitar I bought. Thirty years later I bought a Gibson SG 70s Tribute. Two terrific guitars that do different jobs than my Gibson LP.
Simply put, you can buy a SG special for less than 800 bucks and it would look almost 80% like a standard. They play well, they weight less, and if you get a thicker and lined strap you never deal with neck dive.
One of the first that springs to mind, although he plays LPs and a few LP double cuts. The SG is interesting because despite its “mean” look, you can wear it quite high up and not look like a complete idiot. (Probably helps if you can rip like Erak, though).
he actually played a rickenbacker in studio fun fact ;) but thomas is a ridiculously underrated guitar player, his playing started my sg obsession when i was a youngster
I’m a lifelong Les Paul fanboy. Recently got my first SG (Gibson SG standard in silverburst with an ebony board) and I bought it on impulse at my local GC. I swapped the bridge pickup for a SD Nazgûl and and set it up for D standard. Man that thing is sick. I love Les Pauls for metal but the SG isn’t nearly as bass heavy, so down tuned to d standard or drop c sounds so perfect and rich. The shift in bridge position definitely takes getting used to but I find that the flat body forces my arm to rest in a better position for leads. I can sweep very well on my SG and the same arpeggio feels a lot more clunky on a LP.
The reason I wouldn't recommend the SG to younger players is because of the neck dive. A better option is the all mahogany Gibson LP Modern Lite with a thinner body, belly cut and and no neck dive.
I have three used SGs I purchased between 2016 and 2020, and all were under 1000k. And each is pretty great. I would disagree that it is a financial decision. Musicians are not exactly the most frugal folks with all of their GAS. Someone is buying all of the Les Pauls.
Ive only been play for almost 3 years and my main instrument i go to is this 2008 Epiphone SG heritage and it played great after i set it up. Ill eventually upgrade to a gibson but im definetly happy with my epiphone
I got my Standard for $700 in July. Beat to hell but it's light with a great big fat neck on it that doesn't dive. Punchy and great fun to play. I've also noticed that used Les Paul prices are dropping pretty significantly, so there are good deals on used Gibsons out there.
I’ve been going to open mics in los Angeles and Orange County for over 2 years. Out of the thousands of ppl I’ve seen perform only 3 ppl ever played a Les Paul.
Younger players usually go one of two ways i see: Heavy guitars like jackson's or flashy surf offsets. Now, youre an artsy furk if you bring a tele or an lp, even a strat sometimes seems too...clean? Dont ask me, this is all speculation lol
You forgot to mention the problems with the SG , first of all , if you start to play an SG then it's better that you keep on with SG, it's not uncommon to see people playing SG only , because of the fact that you've got the neck positions transferred 3 frets towards the headstock. This is not a problem , it's just a question of "acclimation". Biggest problem is the neck dive on SG's , a lil bit less on maestro vibrola and sideways vibrola , but still present. Other than that , it's a great axe , thin , resonant, mean, comfortable, unparalleled easy upper fret access... Not very versatile as it is an angry axe, especially the ones with 490 and 498 like yours .
I don't care for any model or shape of an arch top of any kind Gimme Flat Top , or nothing (and those shite round back ovations ? Just toys) And Zero degrees of tilt to a neck or headstock (just plain works better ) Soooooooo sorry Gibson , Leo got it right P.S. born in 62 and have owned many , many Gibsons
The SG has been Gibson’s best selling model for decades, and “Pete from Fall Out Boy” is a bass player. No hate on the video but I feel like your discussion hinges and/or is biased by your recent personal discovery of the SG’s awesomeness 😅
@ none of the member of FOB play an SG, so I’ll just pretend you were talking about Ray Toro from My Chemical Romance 😅 I’ve seen him play a few SGs live (including a dope 60s SG junior); thanks for the content!
Younger player play the sg because they simply dont have the money for a l3s paul, which is now way too expensive... its like the same i live in a studio not because i like it better than a flat with 2 rooms, but because i dont have the money :D otherwise sgs are ugly sf and i dont think they are ergonomic... neck is too long
What is great about an SG is how the neck pickup is closer to the bridge, to me it sound less muddy and a more usable tone for a guy that doesn't live up the neck in solo territory.
That's the thing, right there. Bridge pickup doesn't sound all that different from a LP, but that neck pickup has a totally unique tone. 90s grunge players loved them. And they're cheap, so you don't have to baby them.
Can’t go wrong with an SG or a Telecaster.
I am of the generation that loved AC/DC, but I never liked the SG. It's the horns. It looks like you're playing a pitchfork. And I don't like the neck strap button location. I could never get comfortable with the strap twisted like that. But now that I'm pushing a million years old and have arthritis in my neck, any guitar that weighs in below 7 lbs. is on my list so I'm looking at SGs. That said, I found an Epiphone Les Paul that came in at exactly 7 lbs. It's fully weight relieved, of course.
Flip the leather part of the strap that’s behind the neck so that it’s “backwards”. Fixes the twisted problem
Great take. There's also a hidden gem in the PRS Core world that not a lot of people know about. The PRS Mira. Unfortunately, it's not part of the core lineup anymore and a bit hard to find at the moment. It's pretty much a SG, but from a different company. I got my core MIRA for less than 1000$ CAN including the OG case. It's a killer guitar.
SGs have always been great guitars, and one of the most 'rock &. roll' shapes ever. (You really don't see SGs in country or jazz very often, do you?) But honestly, if you're picking out guitars based on what other people think, you've already lost.
Grace Bowers hype is unreal, before the SG hype I felt some Jazzmaster hype as well, thanks to Chris Buck and Lemmo from Norms...with SGs it's Derek Trucks all day...cool Video man, being a "fill in guitar" guy is so funny and I bet you will be a lot more in the future cause it's just fun
Gibson recently released the LP Modern Lite, when they should have made an SG Modern Lite and priced it for $1200. A guitar like that would be huge among younger people.
I learned to play on my dad’s sg copy (Electra or Elektra?). Loved it, low action/light/sounded awesome/looked cool. Neck dive is solved with a decent strap, it’s a nothing-burger
I have an SG tribute from 3 years ago, and idk why, but I got lucky with that one. Honestly, I agree it's the gibson that is obtainable . If you have been playing a few years and want a gibson, I say go for the SG.
An Epiphone G-400R was the first decent guitar I bought. Thirty years later I bought a Gibson SG 70s Tribute. Two terrific guitars that do different jobs than my Gibson LP.
Simply put, you can buy a SG special for less than 800 bucks and it would look almost 80% like a standard. They play well, they weight less, and if you get a thicker and lined strap you never deal with neck dive.
The best current sg player in my opinion is Thomas from the Fall of Troy
One of the first that springs to mind, although he plays LPs and a few LP double cuts.
The SG is interesting because despite its “mean” look, you can wear it quite high up and not look like a complete idiot. (Probably helps if you can rip like Erak, though).
he actually played a rickenbacker in studio fun fact ;) but thomas is a ridiculously underrated guitar player, his playing started my sg obsession when i was a youngster
PRS is the best of both worlds from a Les Paul and SG.
I’m a lifelong Les Paul fanboy. Recently got my first SG (Gibson SG standard in silverburst with an ebony board) and I bought it on impulse at my local GC. I swapped the bridge pickup for a SD Nazgûl and and set it up for D standard. Man that thing is sick. I love Les Pauls for metal but the SG isn’t nearly as bass heavy, so down tuned to d standard or drop c sounds so perfect and rich.
The shift in bridge position definitely takes getting used to but I find that the flat body forces my arm to rest in a better position for leads. I can sweep very well on my SG and the same arpeggio feels a lot more clunky on a LP.
The reason I wouldn't recommend the SG to younger players is because of the neck dive. A better option is the all mahogany Gibson LP Modern Lite with a thinner body, belly cut and and no neck dive.
I have three used SGs I purchased between 2016 and 2020, and all were under 1000k. And each is pretty great.
I would disagree that it is a financial decision. Musicians are not exactly the most frugal folks with all of their GAS.
Someone is buying all of the Les Pauls.
Ive only been play for almost 3 years and my main instrument i go to is this 2008 Epiphone SG heritage and it played great after i set it up. Ill eventually upgrade to a gibson but im definetly happy with my epiphone
I got my Standard for $700 in July. Beat to hell but it's light with a great big fat neck on it that doesn't dive. Punchy and great fun to play. I've also noticed that used Les Paul prices are dropping pretty significantly, so there are good deals on used Gibsons out there.
I think "offset" is king with the "kids".
Eric Clapton did all or most of Disraeli Gears with an SG. It was custom painted in paisley psychedelic.
I’ve been going to open mics in los Angeles and Orange County for over 2 years. Out of the thousands of ppl I’ve seen perform only 3 ppl ever played a Les Paul.
i wish they did a no pick guard and only side input jack. personally i cant stand any guitar with a top mount jack and hate gibson pick guards.
Younger players usually go one of two ways i see:
Heavy guitars like jackson's or flashy surf offsets.
Now, youre an artsy furk if you bring a tele or an lp, even a strat sometimes seems too...clean?
Dont ask me, this is all speculation lol
Ive also seen a lot of epiphone lp specials around with younger peeps
You forgot to mention the problems with the SG , first of all , if you start to play an SG then it's better that you keep on with SG, it's not uncommon to see people playing SG only , because of the fact that you've got the neck positions transferred 3 frets towards the headstock. This is not a problem , it's just a question of "acclimation". Biggest problem is the neck dive on SG's , a lil bit less on maestro vibrola and sideways vibrola , but still present. Other than that , it's a great axe , thin , resonant, mean, comfortable, unparalleled easy upper fret access... Not very versatile as it is an angry axe, especially the ones with 490 and 498 like yours .
I don't care for any model or shape of an arch top of any kind
Gimme Flat Top , or nothing (and those shite round back ovations ? Just toys)
And Zero degrees of tilt to a neck or headstock (just plain works better )
Soooooooo sorry Gibson , Leo got it right
P.S. born in 62 and have owned many , many Gibsons
The SG has been Gibson’s best selling model for decades, and “Pete from Fall Out Boy” is a bass player.
No hate on the video but I feel like your discussion hinges and/or is biased by your recent personal discovery of the SG’s awesomeness 😅
God damnit I was thinking of Patrick
@ none of the member of FOB play an SG, so I’ll just pretend you were talking about Ray Toro from My Chemical Romance 😅 I’ve seen him play a few SGs live (including a dope 60s SG junior); thanks for the content!
Younger player play the sg because they simply dont have the money for a l3s paul, which is now way too expensive... its like the same i live in a studio not because i like it better than a flat with 2 rooms, but because i dont have the money :D otherwise sgs are ugly sf and i dont think they are ergonomic... neck is too long
Gibson is using Bowers as a marketing tool for females. That’s why there is so much hype (or overhype). Gibson has even given her a guitar (or two).
The economy must be really bad if 14 year old kids are spending only $1700 on a guitar.
There will always be rich kids. The middle class are the ones getting cornholed by the government