Who Are The Absolute Locks for NBA All-Defense? | OM3 THINGS
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
- On this Monday’s Old Man and the Three Things, JJ Redick is joined once again by Nekias Duncan and Steve Jones Jr. on ‘The Dunker Spot!’ This week they discuss NBA All-Defense for the first time this season and who their locks are right now, the current state of the Milwaukee Bucks and the Giannis Antetokounmpo and Damian Lillard pick-and-roll, and the recent record-setting stretch from Dallas Mavericks star Luka Doncic and where he lands in the MVP conversation.
0:00 Intro
0:50 NBA All-Defense
16:12 Dame & Giannis
24:49 Luka Doncic
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If Wemby ain't in All-Defense I'm fighting everyone.
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DPOY fs
If he was all defensive type of player wouldn’t his team be better? Worst in the league at the moment. Just because he makes great blocks on espn like on Chet. Chet beat him 3x the next possession even crossed wemby up and dunked on him.
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His team is one of the worst defensive teams. Unfortunately, individual defensive stat does not count when they chose All Defensive team
HERBERT JONES IS THE REASON THE Pelicans are a top defensive unit.
Wemby >>>>> that herb
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Herb is Him😮
@@figo007tvWhen wembys spurs are defensively successful yes I see him being probably at least a 2 time DPOY. Right now just with how good the Pels are doing, and Herb is a big part of that
@@rickkroll Of course, pelicans have been better all around for the past few years. Players for players. But why negate Wemby for that?
Love that Herb Jones is brought up so casually as if he obviously belongs. Because he does! It is obvious!
Should have been on there the last two seasons...
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FACTS 🗣️🗣️🗣️
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The league needs to put some respect on KCP’s name.
was looking for that comment 👍
Came here to type this. KCP has been phenomenal, and Peyton Watson should at least be in the conversation.
They didn’t mention KCP?
@@spencer8077idk about Watson bro
@nickjones5495 last I heard PWat was leading the league in allowed fg%. I dont think he should be all-defense, but it'd be cool if he got some recognition
Appreciate the KCP shoutout. It's sad he won't make it most likely, but he has been a monster this year.
i entered the video and already wanted to post a comment without even looking at the video "of course there is no KCP in there", it's just became so tiring trying to tell people that he is literally on of the best defenders in the league, but yeah the nuggets can't get anything appart from Jok..
He’ll take another chip, I’m sure
He's been a monster since he put on that #5 for Denver. and why didn't Jamal go off, in the 2020 WCFs like he did against the Clip's & the Jazz(D🕷️ Mitchell)??? Because of KCP's D. 🤷. ⛏️🏀🏆✌️
Jarrett Allen absolutely has to make the team. he’s assumed so much responsibility to anchor the #2 defense especially with Mobley being out for as much as he has been.
Over Wemby and Ad? U cant have a 5 with all bigs 😂 derick white has to be on the team
@@tiagopacheco4187Derick absolutely should be a lock for the team. for Allen, I didn't specify 1st team, i just think the season he's had deserves placement on one of the 2 All-Defensive teams.
between the 2 teams, the following bigs should be included, imo: Gobert, AD, Allen, Bam and Wemby. Chet would be a really close HM for me (i don't have a vote obviously, but you know what i mean).
my wing/guard considerations would probably include Caruso, D. White, Herb Jones, and then two out of three of Jaden McDaniels, Dort and Okoro.
@@monkeyduhluffy i agree Allen should be in the conv cause cavs are having an amazing year but hes playing next to Mobley whos also an amazing defensive player. 2nd team i fully agree
If Herb Jones ain’t first time all defence then I don’t know what else you need to do to get in there.
F’n A right. Herb Jones is a BEAST.
He would’ve had a better shot with the older rules. Positionless means wayyyy more centers will be on a team.
@@hb-robobut I mean he’s probably the best perimeter defender in the league, the things he’s able to do is insane
Not even mentioning Jaden McDaniels is crazy to me. You talked about NAW, who absolutely deserves it and obviously Gobert, but Jaden picks up the best player every night with no respect.
Wemby is all defensive 1st team. His DARKO D-DPM is insane (top 6 in league)and his defensive epm is 7th. His block to foul ratio is the best since Ben Wallace. He has only 9 games all season with 4+ fouls and as Nekias said he takes away a whole section of the court and the spurs are a top 7 defensive team when he is on the court. There is also great value when you average 4.7 stocks per game (Hakeem has the all time average of 4.8 stocks per game in a career, wemby will likely break that when his career is done).
HERB JONES is the word
Man.. Denver's defence needs a bit more respect especially KCP and AG
10 spots
@@jedkyle5873KCP is the best on ball defensive guard in the league sorry
@@dannybiggs9736 yes kcp is an elite defender but chill with the glazing. he's not the #1 on ball defender in the league. derrick white, jrue holiday, og anunoby, lu dort, alex caruso, herb jones, etc.
@@dannybiggs9736retard detected
@@Jeremy-ot6pb he’s just as good or better than all those guys at on ball defense and plays passing lanes better than everyone you just listed by a considerable measure. Ain’t no glazing, he’s been the best defensive guard all szn. Putting Herb Jones and Lu dort (very good defenders btw) above KCP shows that you have preconceived notions cuz they ain’t been better than him even close this year
If Herbert Keyshawn Jones isn’t 1st team, society has failed itself
Say it loud for the slow ones in the back. HERB JONES.
Facts
Need KCP to make that all defense team this year. He’s been absolute locks
Aaron Gordon doesn’t get enough attention for his impact defensively
When you play with a good white boy you don’t get credit bro. Tyson chandler was a dpoy. But everyone says Dirk played by his self 🥴
@@beankobe8205Tyson got DPOY after leaving Dallas…
@@hb-robo so that shows how good he was while in Dallas . He got zero credit while playing with Dirk
@@beankobe8205Reoccurring theme. Wonder why Luka and Nikola are "goated" when they would be nothing without the solid teams they both have. Not that they're bad players, they are great. The narratives that form are tired though
@@rickkroll true
omg perfect timing for this topic, thank you Dunker Spot.
Find it interesting how JJ brought up how players clam for certain players to get some recognition Jrue Holiday, cause I’ve seen the same thing happen with Lu Dort and him get absolutely no media recognition for All Defensive Team for a couple years.
Old Man + 3 things Might be my fav hoops show. Thanks for the quality content 🙏
Wemby should be DPOY. He won’t because of the record, but he honestly deserves it. Especially with his defensive numbers post All-Star; 5.5bpg & 7+ stocks per game
He won't be DPOY because people don't want to push an international guy and treat him like the future GOAT he is. But it will just make him mad and better in the future
Senguin scored 45 on wemby. Embiid had 70 on wemby. How is that DPOY? It’s not cause he’s international nba is pumping wemby. Notice you only see his highlights like when he blocked Chet. Chet crossed him up and dunked on him and wemby was step behind him. Also Chet hit 3 right in wembys grill. If he was DPOY he would have more wins.
@@Snickerszn if you actually watched the games you mentioned, you'd see that those players dropped those numbers on Zach Collins, not Wemby. Embiid had 16 on Wemby, not 70
@@eagloo9929 well if he was DPOY where was the help defense? DPOY would win more games than last year with same team!!
Wemby is 100% a lock. Would be a huge snub he’s a dpoy candidate
If wembys not a lock for ANY kind of all defensive team this year bro just cancel the award and shut it down 😭
Just because he makes some great blocks doesn’t mean he is great at defense. If he was an all defensive team player his team wouldn’t be the worst.
@@SnickersznThey're a top 5 defense when he's on the court and a bottom 3 defense when he's on the bench. You just don't know what you're talking about.
@@Snickersznyou just yapping
Wemby isn’t even worth giving ROTY award given how bad Spurs are. Plus, Spurs beat Warriors without Wemby. It says a lot. You can’t reward losers for their failure.
@berryesseen they won because they shot way over 50 percent from 3 and the warriors played bad defense, don't be dumb and go watch the film
JJ Ithink this is my favorite show of yours. I like how in depth the discussions are and your co hosts have good vibes
Huge JB fan. I know he's most likely not making the team unless there is some injuries but I'm glad to hear him get the shout out.
I love the Dunkers Spot episodes. Keep them coming!
Love how Bam just gets glossed over 🤦🏼♂️
He was mentioned but given his position, I don't really think he's got a shot this season
@@christopherwilliams2351it's positionless and giannis is easily a top 10 defender in the league
Lu Dort has to be in everyones top 10.. dude has been amazing on defense and offense.. Williams too
Herb Jones is the best defensive player in the league. If he got the same respect as other guys from the refs, it would be clear!
Agree. They ask why Jrue wasn't ob teams earlier in his career even though everyone knew he should have been. Classic media blindness to the Pels.
@TheWhitePenny Yes, Sir! If you see today's episode of the Hoop Collective, it's clear Bontemps does not watch the Pelicans. Instead of saying so, he said we disappeared after the in-season tournament. At the time of the tournament, I believe we were 8th or 9th, and now we're fifth, 2 games clear of Phoenix.
Spot on! 🏀🇬🇧
How is Wemby not a lock?
HERB JONES.
That point you make about the coaches adapting their defensive schemes based on time / lineup / score is so interesting. That's actually the definition of what great coaching and great defensive chemistry is..
i thought worse was talking about players making decisions "in real time" (chuckle) you mean play the game that you're getting paid to play at the highest level? woah.... that's crazy to ask these professionals to be able to have basketball iq and comprehend a defensive game plan 3-4 nights a week
It’d be a shame if Isaac Okoro isn’t on an all defensive team
I was looking for this comment. He genuinely deserves to be in these conversations. His work this season has been phenomenal
he knock gonna make it. ONly 10 players do and he probably number 20
“Notorious former defensive juggernaut JJ Redick debates all NBA Defensive Team” should be the title of this video.
He got more credibility than all of us so stfu, when did u guard an nba player last time?
How did you do as a defender in the NBA?
😂😂
he'll probably do better than jj lol@@dimitrythomas4158
Lmao 🤣
Wemby not being a lock is crazy
Def crazy. Stone cold lock
He's French. There is an obvious bias.
Repost from another video: Hey JJ, idk if you read this, but if I could make a suggestion for the podcast: The other two guys have very great microphones in front of them, but it's obvious that their settings are set to their shitty webcam microphones (which I'm sure is an accident). If they could actually set their input devices to the good microphones they have in front of them instead of the webcam microphones, that would GREATLY improve the podcast.
Yes 100%.
More likes to boost this please
Great analysis. Impressive gentlemen.
KCP has to be in there
It is kinda wild that OKC is the 4th defense and they tickle Shai and dorts name. But Boston gets 2 Minnesota gets 3. Consistency...
I mean by that logic 80% of the all defensive teams should be from top 4 defences. Minnesota and Boston just has better defensive personnel
Herb held Halliburton,shai and Luka to their worst games of the season.
Please say it again ! They don’t understand 😂😂
I.Okoro , numbers and eye test are fire
The fact that Jrue has successfully guarded 1-5 should speak volumes for his case
never speak again
It's hilarious that he can sometimes credibly guard Embiid when the Celtics just traded the other guard in the league that did the same (Smart).
Jimmy averaged 37ppg against him last year
@@ItsKaezoyeah that's because he decided to transform into the modern-day MJ and go absolutely batshit crazy. not much you can do about that
He’s pretty good. Don’t overrate the nigga though
I appreciate the love for SGA, but I've watched every second of every Thunder game. SGA is the 5th best defender on that team (Behind Dort, Chet, JDub and Cason Wallace) and there should be way more love for a guy like Dort who has been one of the best on ball defenders in the league since his rookie year. He doesn't get the recognition because of the lack of steals and blocks but he is a defensive menace when chasing around screens. He broke an NBA record last year with the most offensive fouls drawn being exclusively from illegal screens because teams can't get this guy off them! He's switchable because of his insane strength and lateral quickness. He was voted 2nd best on ball defender in the league by players in a poll and was mentioned by Luka and Dame as one of the toughest defenders in the league. Not to mention all of his clutch 1-on-1 defensive game winning stops against guys like Dame, Luka, Fox, Harden, Steph, and Kawhi to name a few. Give this man more love!
As a okc fan everything you spoke was facts shai improve as a defender but people do overrate how good he is as a defender
@@Wrestle_Kingdomsounds like a lot of hate coming from okc fans. If they wanna give shai some credit let them stop hating it’s weird.
@@beankobe8205 it not hate it just being real because people overrating a player abilities that’s all,it like when a team is playing well and everyone want to put them on a pedestal they shouldn’t be then when. They disappoint the narrative become they’re overrated
Shai is a good defender but people saying he this elite defender and not understanding how he leading the league in steals because they don’t watch is the problem
SGA has the stats, but the eye test differs. Stats can be overrated with D
@@beankobe8205so your saying OKC fans are hating on Shai? Make it make sense. We see both and are just being truthful. Dort covers the toughest matchup wether it's LeBron or Curry. Shai usually covers the 2nd to the third toughest player on the court.
Jaylen Brown respect. People have all been talking about Tatum sacrificing his stats, but no one mentioning JB sacrificing more of his stats, while also playing the best defense of his career
10 spots. jaylen brown is not a top 10 defender in the league he's only the 3rd best defender on his team.
@@Jeremy-ot6pb I didn’t say he deserves to be on the all defensive team. I’m just happy they recognized him
Jaylen Brown should be on an all-defensive team. He defends the opponents best player when it matters most.
So they have 3 great defenders??
@@chadrobertson8680 if I’m being honest I think they have 5. Tatum and KP are underrated. Bud I don’t expect more than 2 of them to make it. Jaylen has an outside shot of making it 3. But I doubt it.
@@chadrobertson8680They are currently second on defence. And first on offence. ALL of their starters are either good or great defenders. No weak link on defence at all. But Brown will probably not make it, even though he is aiming for it this year.
No excuse not to win the championship then.
@@chadrobertson8680 I mean, ideally yea. They have a great chance to win but, it’s hard to win a championship. Talent wise they are more talented than any team. But chips have to fall their way and there has to be some aspect of luck. Luck doesn’t exist, but sometimes there are unexplainables.
Dort is way too slept on - statistically one of the most versatile defenders
1st team:
Herb/Gobert/Wemby/AD/White
2nd team:
Caruso/Holiday/Bam/Allen/Suggs
my teams:
1st team:
Herb/Gobert/Wemby/AD/White
2nd team:
Caruso/Holiday/Bam/Okoro/Hartenstein
@@icegonzam1787 Man Hartenstein is so underrated. I still think Jarrett Allen's the best healthy defender on the Cavs tho, would love to see why you think Okoro deserves the spot
Bam absolutely has to be 1st team.
I love it, its like "yes minister" - we need to schedule the meeting, that schedules the meeting, for the commencement of the discussion for the beginning of the process of deciding the candidates for defensive team of the year.
I just realize that you reach 1 mil sub. Congrats JJ!
The disparity in defensive rating when Wemby is on the floor vs off is why he should be a lock for DPOY and an All Defense team
Why is no bam talk being done??
watch the video? they skipped over bam because he's so obviously a lock and they mention that all of them already know he's a lock
Okoro need to make it, hes incredible
also i want herb jones to make all defense he deserves it
Wild how JB, DWhite, and Jrue all have a case (not saying they’ll all get it, def one, I think probs DWhite will). Hope that perimeter defense pulls through for the playoffs
JJ that time-score-game situation point was very astute, if one is to get into stats, I am not sure how one would compute that for basketball, but for football (soccer), there is something called game state. It would be an interesting parameter to add to play evaluation.
KCP needs recognition! AG should be a contender as well. Nuggs have such dominant clutch D because of AG, KCP and Watson
Does Giannis not play in this league?
Being overlooked for all defense (2 years in a row now) seems to be the weirdest thing that has begun to happen with the writers in this league
He doesn’t actually play defense. 2 years ago he was a good help defender but he doesn’t even do that now.
@@jbreezy519Giannis is almost never the primary defender, cause opponents don't want to attack where he is. Coaches know that Giannis is the best defender in Bucks, so they deliberately attack the other side. The attacker picks the defender via switches, and you can see in Bucks games that whenever Giannis is the primary defender, the attacker switches 90% of the time.
Now, if it was anyone else than Giannis, then they'd get away with it, but Giannis is agile enough to help. That's why he's known as a help defender. And Giannis averaging something more than a block and a steal is massive, considering there are few times in a total game that his side is being attacked. Anyone else wouldn't average more than half a block a game.
It's arguably his best season defensively but he's overlooked because of how bad the team defence was under AG
@@jbreezy519he plays on ball more this year and he's locked down several stars. How many Bucks games have you watched?
@@jbreezy519 you're the reason american basketball discourse has become laughable. I hope you and all those unintelligent as you are who are a disgrace to the intelligence of afro americans in this country because you show the actual inability to think beyond your biases and faulty cognition, end up in a world where you are forced to discuss things you belong in, like moving weight and are kept away from sports.
Y'all gotta start giving my boy Isaac okoro some love for all defense. He's on the second best defensive team in the league and he guards the best player on the opposing team every game. #Cavs# Let em know!!
Derrick White, Jalen Suggs, Jonathan Issac, Alex Caruso, Jaden McDaniels, Isiah Hartenstein, KCP, Herb Jones, Mitchell (SAC).
Wemby is a no brainer. DPOY imo.
Keegan Murray has been a great defender this year. Deserves some recognition.
Isaac Okoro is the next "Drew Holidy" when it comes to how underrated he is.
I feel like Mobley shoulda been all defensive 2nd team as a rookie, Wemby should def be at least 2nd team if not first
Get this man JJ some schleep 😂 but gotta respect the grind!!
Thank you for speaking the truth on Hartenstein, JJ!
Using AD as the thumbnail yet showing him no love is insane lmao
They did… Did you even watch the video?💀
What do you expect from these Laker haters?! They just use the Lakers names and brand to get clicks but they hate the 💛💜
No mention of Giannis on All-Defense just goes to show how overlooked he is…
If you actually watch the games, Jaylen Brown has been the Celtics best defender and takes the lead ball handler every night. He HAS to be the first Celtic in contention, despite jrue and Derrick being the best defensive backcourt
KCP
@JJRedick I would like to send my encouragement and appreciation for the great content. I've noticed that you have been very apologetic and a bit more cautious proceeding a less than desirable mainstream media outcome a few weeks back. I'm sure that you receive plenty of hate comments and I would like to give you and the crew your flowers. Best basketball analysis content out right now. Don't let the haters get to you
Congrats Knox!!
I wanna know why are these guys scared to admit wemby is one of the best defenders. Not claiming him as a lock is a really bad look. He has the casual stats, advanced stats, and the eye test over everyone. I feel like they want to be hipsters too hard and sound smart but come off ignorant. Don't tell me Suggs is a bigger lock than wemby lmfao jfc watch some games for once.
why do you even watch the show if all you do is hate
@@christroller360is he wrong here or r u just d*** munching
The Bam disrespect is crazy
It’s actually crazy wtf
LITERALLY
100 percent agree
I’m saying , man is top 3 defender in the whole league .
mental
Ant definitely needs to be in one of the teams! One of the few stars that actually plays both sides of the ball
Ants made some strides but he’s still at best like the 3rd best defender on his own team, realistically he’s probably 5th or 6th
I mean that’s great but he hasn’t been better this year than the other guy’s mentioned. Just because he makes a highlight block every once in a while that trends on social media doesn’t make him all-defense.
@@ztlabraptor2114th best at best.
Thank you for covering the artistry on the defensive end.. Overlooked by the casuals, but the real ones know.
Wanted to me turn this season reminds me alot of the 2022 season when the Dubs won it. Dray coming back from Injury near season end like Curry is now. Young guys rolling.
7:32 bottom right corner 🤣🤣
yes there is more difference between starter and bench because THJ for the year is 16/3/2
but in February is average is:
10/3/2 on 35%FG and 34%3P
and in March is number are:
8/1.5/1.5 on 32%FG and 31%3P.
No Giannis mention for all defense is actually crazy
No hating stuff but he doesn’t play defense. Go watch him play and you’ll see that. 2 years ago, he was a good help defender but doesn’t even do that now.
@jbreezy519 well he does get a block and a bjt over a steal per game
He isn’t that defender y’all think he is
Giannis isn’t as good on defense as he used to be
@eagloo9929 that's true. Seems as if he doesn't put as much effort on that end as he used to. It's kind of like a Lebron scenario where he's in the middle of his prime bit decides to prioritize scoring and offense and no longer focuses as much on defense
Herbert. Keshawn. Jones.
Wemby HAS to be all-defense. Just look at the defense on-off with him. LOCK IT IN
Before watching the video: herb is a lock and a definite lock for first team
Nekias’ verbiage around 9:00 re: Wemby and AD was masterfully explained.
Giannis is a lock for sure, look at the Bucks with and without him
What coach is jj talking about at 35:00? Anyone know?
Being up shai name and and Jaylen Brown, for all defensive teams but not Giannis??
Nuggets KCP better end up on this list...........
Jaylen brown has been elite defensively
Jaylen brown needs some All-Defense love this year
Lock for all D? Isaac Okoro. Always shut down against best non-center scorer.
These are easily my favorite style of episodes. Super nerdy but self aware and you guys really bounce off each other so well. I learn stuff and a laugh when you make fun of each other. Luka not MVP tho lol
D white
H jones
Ad
Wemby
Gobert
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2nd team
Not all the way sure but Shai and Chet damn near gotta be there
Ps: Duncan mentioned Suggs
Good call
Jarret Allen and isaac okoro 🤷🏾♂️ need serious consideration
KCP deserves all-defense team, he's incredible
Man KCP deserves it so much he has got 2 make it this year 🤞🏾
Giannis locked First Team
He not
To credit Hartenstein over OG for the Knicks defensive turnaround is actually crazy lmao he was on the team for like 2 years, why didn’t he have a big impact then, before OG arrived ?
Derrick white is a lock!
KCP is ballin this year
I think Brown and White are the two Celtics that will make all-defense
jj keeping it real - although can't hunt Simmons and embid
Scottie Barnes should be an honourable mention
Where the hell do y’all be finding these stats, and I’m asking that seriously lol very impressive
I hope analysts figure out some form of advanced stats to give more credit to great guard defenders cause as it is now, it heavily favors big men and guards have to get a narrative going about them to finally get some credit, ala Jrue and Marcus, and that just doesn't feel right.
Because guards objectively have less to worry about and thus less impact. Smalls guard their assignment, bigs guard everyone simultaneously. The only perimeter players that change that calculus are rangy ones who can be secondary rim protectors.
Yes please