What We've Learned from the 2024 NBA Playoffs So Far | Tim Legler and JJ Redick
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
- Welcome to another episode of the Old Man and the Three with JJ Redick and special guest, Tim Legler. In this episode we talk about NBA trends we've noticed in the 2024 NBA Playoffs, primarily around the impact of role players. Guys like P.J. Washington, Derrick White, Naz Reid and T. J. McConnell are all making a huge impact this postseason. Then we move on to specific series starting with Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers vs. Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and the Boston Celtics. Finally we go out West to talk Anthony Edwards, Karl-Anthony Towns, Rudy Gobert and the Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Luka Doncic, Kyrie Irving and The Dallas Mavericks.
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What I learned from this playoff is that Luka Doncic is a psychopath
Always has been 🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀
Took you a while to learn brother
This your first year watching the playoffs?
Him vs Brown is gonna be one hell of a matchup.
Bro was bleeding through his bandages and knee pads and had a relatively bad game but still out played mostly everyone in game 1 game. The guy can barely jog at times .
I see Tim Legler, I click.
Im a simple man
im a simple man
I’m a simple man
Pretty much.
He’s the goat fr
Crazy how Last week people were saying Ant is better than Luka 😂
Those guys are delusional😂
No they saying he's better than m. Jordon
@@rickdouglas8357Michael .B. Jordan!🤓
“it’s a complete crap!”
Who?
if only you guys recorded this after last night 😭
Luka should've been MVP!!!
They robbed Luka the mvp. But winning a championship will make them regret it.
Hell, they are probably regretting it right now!
Luka is the true mvp!
I got SGA For MVP but Luka is easily top 3
As Mavs fan, we knew he was the most deserving but he wasn’t gonna win it due to some dumbass narratives.
Feel like the okc series put Shai over luka to rest
Nah Joker deserved it more but Luka was 2nd not SGA.
Shoutout to JJ for recording this on a pumpkin. Bro's content game on point 🫡🫡🫡
U mean shoutout to JJ for recording this while traveling for announcing, his other pod, his family, and still pumping out incredible content for us. Be grateful.
just remember @chasewheeler5430 ordered you to be grateful, you don't want to upset him, he sounds like he might be a bit unstable 😆
@@chasewheeler5430*be understanding
@@Chris-wq3pe just remember that 99% of the time JJ's content quality is superb so nitpicking this episode might mean that @SkwisgaarSkwigelf-69-420 is the unstable one here
@@michaelf6205i think is a tongue and cheek joke lil bro
Let's go Legler, that's my guy!
JJ please dont take the lakers job they will set you up to fail and then blame you when it happens
let lakers take doc rivers. because i know what that means😂
Fr. A year from now if they aren’t winning a damn championship which they won’t be JJ will be on the hot seat. I like JJ id like to see him on a team with no expectations.
😂
Legler could coach.
Agreed he's well respected In his current field
BMW sponsorship let's go JJ!
Now that’s different lol
I swear this is the first bmw sponsored yt video
It's not
A lot of JJs recent content has been
I'd love a weekly Legs - JJ segment. The chemistry and the IQ is amazing. Always so exciting to listen to
Legs is like a basketball professor. Love listening to him talk about the game.
When I hear Tim Legler talks basketball I listen
How can be so likeable, is that i'm Mavs fan or all other like him?
Nah, I’d rather listen to real analysis from Woj and Windhorst.
@@natashakuzmanoska9656not biased at all, watches ball, good analysis, humble, no screaming.
Luka was the MVP in the regular season and hes the best in the playoffs.
34/10/9 wont happen ever again unless Luka does it again
it was actually 32-13-10. Triple double.
@@Chris-wq3pe he was stating his regular season Averages
my boy luka has a masterpiece 2024 regular season with 70 points triple double scoring champ etc and not even top2 Sheesh😢
@@justinekyle28 craziest snub of all time
He had the highest points contribution (scoring and assisted points) in modern NBA history, and still finished 3rd in voting. It's insanity.
what i've learned is that no matter what luka does media will continue disrespecting him and try hyping the next man up over him. Like how do you average 34 10 9 and score 73 points in a season and get nothing but flame directed your way
ESPN has a behind the scenes agenda they run on tv. Legs even said it himself
Facts
Ant went 6-24 in a game 7 and they saying he carried the nuggets to the win meanwhile Luka drops 3 straight 30pt triple doubles against okc to close out the series and they say he got carried by the pj free throws 🤣
Win a Chip. Problem solved.
@@daveclark8337 Jokic didn't have to win a Chip to get his MVP. Same for multiple other MVPs such as Embiid. Stop moving the goalpost.
@@daveclark8337The others didn't win a Chip either, but they still show them as next MJ or some others greats, so this is hypocrisy and double standards. The media hates Luka because he is so good and with his 25 years of age threatens the legacy, so the problem is that he's not American.
I appreciate how consistent Legs has been about Dallas and Luka since the trade deadline.
Mavs in 5
Tim Legler is the only media member who predicted the Mavs success EARLY 👏
Finally, analysis of Boston, and thank you JJ, everyone pretends this is the same team of the past 2 years. Not even CLOSE.
No one cares about Boston because they got a free run to the finals, which is when ppl will talk about them.
@trav8787 If everybody was healthy Boston would still be in the finals.
@@Frozilla15Agreed. They've been so great all year that people are kinda sleeping on them.
Sleeping on them? They've been favorites by far to win the chip this year haha
@@TaylorHatfield1 really? Look at the coverage overall. The stupid and unfair to the player, Ant being MJ coverage. The New York apoolza coverage. Everyone saying that the winner of the West would be the champion. They haven't had the amount and type of coverage consumerate with a favorite.
They were still talking about the Suns and Lakers for God's sake more than Celtics championship coverage. But eh I think they don't mind getting the Tim Duncan Spurs treatment as long as it comes with championship.
Love the change to analog 😎
Jj went from 24k on Mind The Game to this Katana 2 pixel camera 😂
Pacers Celtics feels like a letdown compared to mavs wolves
The whole East playoff has been a let down with too many injury.
Because of injuries and that’s no team’s fault. It’s just the way it is sometimes.
If it were Knicks and Celtics, we'd all be hyped. I think it's a let down because NY isn't there.
Idk what you were expecting 😂
I really think the series would be close if Haliburton was healthy. They should’ve won game 1 and it was still a relatively close game when he had to leave game 2. But if he’s not healthy Boston will win in 4
The mavs arent even at 100% and is still pulling out against the best defence in the west and overall the best defence left in the playoffs.
Luka and Jaylen Brunson were drafted in the same draft BY the Same team. Just think about that….
I’m a Mavericks fan and it was a tough situation. I love Jalen and miss him, but I know that his growth would have been stifled playing behind or even next to Luka. But it’s worked out for both sides-New York is set up for the next couple of years, and Dallas is 2 wins away from a Finals berth. So, can’t be too upset lol.
They were a decent combo, enjoyed watching my Ws take them in 5 or 6 in 2022 😊
@@somersetbassett4580 that was a lil b4 the Brunson that we know today.. basically hos coming out party
@joshweatherly8715 for sure, but Brunson was what 25, Lukas 25 now
@@somersetbassett4580 yup Luka is better
One huge element that is lost in all the criticism of the Celtics, compared to other great teams or dynasties (even when you develop talent like JT and JB), consistency in the coaching...these two Celtic stars have had 3 different coaches over the last 6 years...compared to MJ who had 1 coach, the 80's Lakers had one, the Celtics had 2 in the 80, Golden State had 1, the Spurs had 1, the Pistons had 1, the Heat had 1 (in the 4 years LBJ was there) even Denver had 1...so before the media goes crazy and qualifies Boston (specifically JT and JB) over every single game look at what is a very important element. LBJ is an anomaly when he has won 4 ships with 3 teams with 3 different coaches.
Boston isn't a "great team" they haven't won anything yet 🙄 IF they do it will be with one coach likely bc your analysis cut off coaches who didn't win chips... Like MJs coaches pre Phil Jackson, don't count bc Mark Jackson don't count for the Ws bc no chip etc. Etc. Great way to not loose your coach? Win!!!! If Boston didn't choke vs. GSW or LBJ they'd still have same coach. It's not complicated win chips keep your job!
@@somersetbassett4580 besides agreeing they're not a great team history wise yet, the rest of what you said is braindead take after braindead take
@Josh_2992 gsws core had 2 coaches but only the one who won got mentioned. Celtics core has 3 and we only count 3 ... doesn't seem disputable that the criteria shifts, but do you boo 😉
Bring your a** to Dallas!
JJ tryna hide the haircut he got for the lakers interview 😂😂
Celtics vs Mavs Finals is going to be lit 🔥
Luka about to have a crime scene documentary.... serial killer
"3 guys in the first team that are absolutely not debatable, Luka, Jokic, and Shai. There's no debating those 3 guys... " Except if you're Stephen A Smith where you think Jalen Brunson should have been in the first team ahead of Luka. 🤦🏼♂️ Unbelievable such a widely watched analyst can have it soooo wrong.
Has anyone asked SAS what else he needs to see from Luka at this point?
I learned Legler is the only trustworthy analyst. These other dudes(including JJ) are blind to Luka's greatness. It's kind of inexcusable because JJ was Luka's teammate and he still joined the Jokic/SGA bandwagon even though Luka's regular season stats were clearly better. None of these analysts have ever apologised for stealing Luka's MVP. It's hard to take anything JJ says seriously now.
There’s a good reason Jokic or SGA won it. I’m not saying Luka didn’t deserve it though.
@@ridgethomas1998SGA ain’t “won it”
@@GurtonBuster07SGA got more votes than Luka....
Jj can't compare to Mr. Legler. And the Luka thing is absolutely true, Jj tries to act all buddy buddy with him but downplays and under values him constantly.
Nobody stole Luka’s mvp, there were 3 guys that could’ve won it. Not sure why you are mad 1 of those 3 won the award. At some stage luka is probably going to win 2-4 of em let’s be real
BRING LEGS TO AN EPISODE OF MIND THE GAME!!!!!!🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
The 2 best analysts in the sport right here. Pure gold.
Waiting for this gentlemen -- thank you!!!💯😎🏀
Tim Legler is a great analyst
Two of my favorite analysts.. keep em coming!
Tim legler & JJ is the best basketball podcast duo & nobody even comes close the knowledge the chemistry is just unmatched man 💯
I like Tatum, but he deserves the knocks against him for not having a ring yet. The Celtics are 1 or 2 in their conference every year, whereas the West is always a dog fight to see who can come out alive. If Giannis didn't have his one ring by now, he'd be facing the same scrutiny.
hope you guys don't undermine how mediocre Ant has been (compared to standards set by himself and the media ofc)
MJ talked his sht on the court. Ant needs to learn that. Don’t ever motivate a team extra extra by calling out a player or team publicly‼️
Facts 😂
This was before game 2
I agree cause I think he understimated the mavs and calling out Irving whats a bit cocky.
He dropped 20 yesterday,don't expect him to drop +30 every night
EVERYONE REMEMBER..... ANT IS BETTER THAN LUKA 🤣🤣🤣
Who the hell said that?
LOL.... EVERYONE AT ESPN! @@charlessims409
@@charlessims409media. Wolves bandwagon. Wolves fans. Thunder fans. Clips fans. Luka haters. Mavs haters
Who said that? More like who didn't say that!
I’m a Celtics fan and literally forgot about KP. People saying Celtics are facing injured teams and it doesn’t matter if they make the finals so much that I forgot that the Celtics also have a big deal injury
yeah, but you have also been playing wnba teams so far.
Great video and analysis
Just two future HC ‘s choppin it up about playoff basketball .. cheers 🍻
JJ do you make more now then you did in the league?
What we learned from this playoffs? Edwards is not MJ’s son 🤣😂🍑👋🏽
aand he is up for adoption, Luka is sorting out the papers😅
Dallas are the best team to watch by a distance. The trade fixed their defence and they have by far the 2 best clutch scorers still in it.
I think the biggest mistake of Pacers game 1 was having Nembhard in bound the ball. He’s a great player but split second decisions from the in bound position is not his strength. He should’ve called timeout. That was the plan, why waste the timeout, let’s get 2 tries to in bound.
Herb Jones another example of excellent value in the 2nd round. Dude was just the only perimeter defender on 1st team All-defense. Drafted 35th overall and was an All-NBA caliber defender by year 4. That's tough
What’s the point of posting this if game 2 already happened 😭
JJ with the Porsche 917 Gulf livery theme while sponsored by BMW. I like it...
Johan Cruyff 70s Dutch Total Football™✓
JJ lagging because he got that soft filter on 😂
Thanks
JJ first off I want to say congrats on getting the Lakers head coaching job and secondly never stop the podcast enjoy your content
JJ said the moment he realized it was time to retire was on a Xmas day while on the road . Because didn't want to spend the holidays without his kids anymore. Coaches have a lot longer hours than players. Plus the Lakers are the one team that ALWAYS has to play on Xmas.
When you think about it, having a balanced team started in2019 with the raptors. They laid out the blueprint for having 7 guys where u can switch everything and actually play play ball as well.
They will not give Masai credit. They rather say its Kawhi or better yet if KD & Klay* weren't injury we wouldn't have won. They forgot that we had a rookie HC in NN & a well balanced & deep roster with valuable pieces that have years of being perennial playoff contenders until Masai took a risk & send Demar to Spurs b/c he realize after yrs of giving him chances he failed & off course Casey was not good at making adjustments & Lebron in the East. I can't wait to see this rebuild unfold w/ Masai at the helm.
@@mollyweir9350 they hate on us canadians bro. Its all good. I hope we can win another chip soon.
@@waheeb_m We will. I trust Masai. Just know that he is not looking for a quick fix so as fans we need to be patient.
@@mollyweir9350 i agree. I know some fans are fickle, but i can never hate that man, i never thought our ball club could win it but he took us there. So im going to trust the process. Hopefully we'll be back in the running with a few good pieces soon.
Tim Legler makes this show just so much Better. Thanks Legs.
Damn bmw sponsored this
It's funny how Legs says if their down 12 at half it feels much different and in gm 2 their down 12 and still mount the comeback.. aged very well.
22:40 ayooooo😂
Very good insight! Dallas and Minnesota are the two other teams I was rooting for all season other than the Mungi Caker Lakers. woot woot! no headphones JJ? coolio ... that works
Rudy Gobert is a specialist.
THANK YOU BMW LOVE YOU GUYS
i keep coming back to this podcast and not the other ones, because (1) the guests are fire and (2) the mind of the game (no pun intended) is ALWAYS THERE. If you want reactions and feelings and wish-washy analysis, go to the others. This right here... 1A
Legs should be in a front office somewhere
The only thing I would say is that lively/gafford and Rudy are still more specialists but when you go 1-4 I agree but Dallas is the only team top heavy their row players are not even the same level but they play well together
Yeah
Every team in the playoffs have a better team than the mavs. Mavs just have Luka doncic
@@user-tc1cd3nx2fbetter offensively yes but Mavs defense is outplaying the offensive talent of the other teams. That’s how they win. You don’t have to score 120 points if you hold the other team to 100 or less. There’s 2 sides of the game and I think everyone forgets that.
The specialist is JJ took that personal 10:00
There’s software for podcasts that records each video file locally, so you don’t have the issues with your video that u had on this one when you rely on connectivity
Puparoni treats lmao
Love Tim
Should have released this yesterday, or recorded it after the Mavs game.
Yea, i know its hard for them to do, but these episodes and even the garnett and paul pierce episodes are done like days later and games have already been played
They have these things called jobs that make that impossible
@@misinfluence Early release shortly after recording with the help of some guy you hire is totally doable with that BMW sponsor money.
I see Victor as possibly becoming the MVP next season. It would be nice if he were complimented with/by a really good strong ball handling, passing and shooting guard like Mike Conley, for instance. Demar might work too. Kyrie is a killer and anywhere he goes he's capable of magical enterprise.
probably a top 5 on the list because we have jokic luka sga JT ant etc
He's coming but not next year just yet. They will still be trying the he might ask to leave cause the Spurs still need to improve their team before anything can happen. They have a lot of pics this year and next from teams like hawks and bulls.
Mike Conley???? Brother that guys 35 and barely above average that’s the best you got?? Demar??? Bro go back to the drawing board LMAO. And yeah that magical enterprise got potential to be some dark witch magic that can uproot your entire franchise (NETS) LMAO. Your takes are horrible man my god, get better basketball knowledge before coming on the internet proclaiming your knowledge of the game it’s embarrassing.
Glad to hear Legler will be joining your coaching staff on the Lakers. Oh, BTW if he gets the Laker job, would you join his staff?
shout out to LEGZ, good work Jay Money
Pupperoni has fillers, one of its main ingredients is "meat" by-products. Also has soy and sugar as a main ingredient which your pup doesn't need.
Tim should be on the coaching staff with JJ along with Richard Jefferson
Interview with Legs starts at 6:18.
Knicks are gonna be a problem next season. The experience they gained and the team (if they run it back) will be a monster. Go Mavs!!
There has always been many ways to win. Even when The Heatles were winning chips, the Spurs and Mavs were playing 9 or so deep. That's always a valid way to win. The league just got obsessed with making big 3s and honestly, that was kinda driven by sports media... for a while there, the player movement was more exciting than the game. Thank god that's changed!
Them Scottie Pippen mold type players is the new thing with the legit teams and their key impactful role players
HOLY PIXELS BATMAN
Might wanna update this recording bro 😂
What happens with the Celtics reminds me of what often happenned with Tim Duncan's Spurs. The amount and type of coverage. Which is fine, the Spurs only cared about championship too.
naaahhh..reason Celtics getting this treatment is because the lack of success even though they've been always a good team. TD's just not really marketable.
Exactly. The Celtics were a hot topic for a while, but they have yet to get it done despite being so stacked. There can only be so many seasons of that before people are just like "wake me up when you win a championship" .
@@Musso88 how the hell were they stacked before? This is Jrue and kp's first year. They were a good team before but not the same team.
I love legs and jj. Mostly always agree with them, but I think they got it wrong on the specialist take. Derrick Jones Jr is a player that does 1 think elite, play defense. He is below average on everything else. That's why he's been on so many different teams. The genius of Kidd is his ability to create a game plan around his deficiencies. The same with Ruby. I think this playoffs has given more value to the specialist, especially defensive specialist.
1:02:34 "Luke vs. drop--I'm not living with that." Prophesized yesterday's game-winner JJ
Keywords about Celtics - Pacers game - I thought about it next day. Well, they couldn't think for a day.
That length vs strength thing is how Jaylen Brown won the individual matchup in the regular season. Could KAT guard Luka?
I’m not sure when you could get away with a top heavy roster. Even the super teams that won chips had high level players who knew their role. Having role players who star in and accept their role has always been the case.
JJ! Why can’t Naz guard Luka, especially in clutch situations?
Also, often seeing teams settle for a 3ball trying to win when they’re only down by a point OR EVEN TIED!!
Examples: Pacers end of regulation game 1
T Wolves end of regulation game 2
Would love a breakdown of ideal management of less than 5 seconds when you a SOB after a time out and you’re tied or down by 1.
I thought theres promo code if we buy BMW lol
What we learned is that Ant Man is what happens if you order Jordan on Wish and that Luka seemingly eats Ants for breakfast.
while i kinda agree you need to hit with role players to be a good team , the Mavericks have Luka (a top 3 player in the league) , and a former 1st overall pick and still a top 10 guard in Kyrie. The Wolves have a 4x DPOY in Gobert and two 1st overall picks in Ant and Kat . The Celtics have a 3x All-NBA 1st team player in Tatum and one of the best 2nd option in the league in Brown. The Nuggets have Jokic. Look at every team that won the title in the past 30 years , what do they have in common.. they ALL had a top 5 player. The only ones you could argue didnt have that were the Spurs in '14 and the Pistons in '04. You NEED a superstar to win , point blank.. and for most of these teams you need a very good or great 2nd option.
Someone do some time stamps
Wolves need to bench Gobert for naz reid… space the floor for ant
No one is realizing Siakam was the last score for the Pacers before the game became a blowout. He scored the 10 points in the second quarter to close out and then he came out in the third quarter on that scoring run and then the Pacers went completely cold.
let's go Mavs
#Lukai
#we believe
#MavsN5
Naw the key is not for porzingis to comeback for the Boston to win it's all up to Tatum
Nah, it is all up to Luka.
JJ get it together man! Lots of words to explain a very simple concept which Legler explained quickly and with precision. Rough night? Ramble on dude. try to wake up before a podcast.
Thanks for articulating what most are thinking!
He’s to busy hailing the Celtics going on and on about them. 🤮
One word: FUNDAMENTALS! Learn those and you are already VERSATILE by default because your just KNOW and UNDERSTAND the basics. Something especially american players brutally lack especially defensive wise.
If the Celtics win the chip Jaylen Brown will be finals mvp
This is a bad matchup for the Wolves. They switched the PnR coverage to polar opposite of the deep drop to blitzing and still lost. The only other option for them is to switch up their rotation and now playing smaller so you can switch the Luka PnR
In my opinion, the Wolves do matchup with them, but they haven't been able to figure out how to defend them yet.
From what I can see, the Wolves need to just let Luka and Kyrie be guarded 1 on 1 and stop giving up the lobs by the bigs helping out. They should start Nas and make Rudy come off the bench because he is a liability right now.
The other option is to hit your open shots on the other end.
first lol. Great content as always
Beat me by 3 seconds lol