Celebrating The Golden State Warriors and The End of the Modern Dynasty | Full Show
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- Опубликовано: 30 янв 2024
- Welcome to another episode of Islands in the League presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. In this episode, we celebrate Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Steve Kerr and the Golden State Warriors dynasty that could be coming to a close in the near future. We also examine other NBA dynasties and why we may not see another one for a long time. We also debut the segment "HOOPS TANK" where JJ hears fan pitches for how to improve the NBA. And finally we welcome in Josh Appelbaum to talk MVP and Rookie of The Year odds.
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i don't understand why the NBA world is going nuts about the warriors' sunset. 4 rings 6 finals. the warriors can suck for the next 10 seasons and its still worth it.
Statistically they can not win a championship for the next 120 years and they will be an average NBA franchise in terms of rings over the last 128 years.
This is the only dynasty whose decline we are witnessing steadily. Most of the 8 dynasties in the modern era ended abruptly. Shaq was traded, Jordan retired, Pippen traded, LeBron left Miami, Magic HIV, Bird's back and decline etc. With Tim, even though the Spurs didn't ever dominate back to back, they always made the playoffs while Tim was there. Even though Kawhi, Tony and Manu were still there, everyone knew it was over once Tim retired. GSW still has their superstar playing at the highest level.
magic hiv took me out
Draymond Green expedited the decline with his erratic behavior. Destroyed the chemistry and positive vibes with one punch.
Lebron heat are not a dynasty
@@rholawz some might agree that the punch was the catalyst of the downfall
@@andrewmiller4116 some might argue that too. However I was only referencing the teams JJ highlighted
Hoops tank is much needed! Love it JJ 🤝
It all hinges on Kerrs ability to manage those egos including his own
But is Cal gonna take down ASU at NCAAs this year?
Haha loved the wrestling idea! 😂😂
HOOPS TANK IS THE JACKPOT!!! JJ PLZ CONTINUE THIS SEGMENT!! Btw, your idea of establishing that the world should abide by the same universal rules of basketball at every level is outstanding. Also, abolishing the 3sec rule is great.
hoop tank is actually such an interesting watch. i love discussing how things could be improved, and just having a wide variety of ideas being thrown out there and validated or invalidated by a former player with lots of wisdom
Bro. I was a Warriors fan for 15 years before they won their first championship. When they won that first one I was happy with that. They could have done nothing since then and I would have been happy. To get what we got I'm ecstatic and don't care if they never win a championship ever again.
That is a lie, I was actually a fan for 20 years beforehand. I forgot how old I am.
Idk how long that Hoops Tank segment has been around, but I am glad I found it. It was great 😂
6 titles in 8 seasons, just hearing that makes your jaw drop, even after seeing it and hearing it for 3 decades, it still is an amazing feat
Hoops Tank was gold! I wanted more of it
When I clicked on the video I was mentally complaining that the video was 30mins+, nothing wrong with it, I prefer smaller vids but Hoops Tank was so entertaining that I didn't realise where the time went.
Steph changed the game forever. The dubs aren't winning anything this year but I think they actually have a small shot at another one as long as Steph is Steph and some of their young pieces continue to grow, they stay healthy, and get some luck. I can see Kuminga being an all-star in 2 years. Also, Wiggins heavily underperformed end of last year and this year so far, but looks like he is turning it around. He is still young and can actually get better. Mark my words, you don't want to see the Warriors in the playoffs as long as Steph has a heartbeat.
3:32 “NAILED THAT”
THIS IS WHY I WATCH! Info and Entertaining!
The points raised early in this video speak to just how important developmental coaching is going to be in the next decade. Big teams need to be breaking the bank right now on player development coaches, scouting personnel, G-League facilities etc...
Developing your roster from the inside, instead of the outside will become crucial if you want to compete and bad roster decisions will live long in the memory if you don't have the ability to 'create' serviceable players.
Long live the memory of Ted Stepien, worst owner in NBA history
This video is sooo informational. JJ takes everything so seriously
Not over, beginning of a new era
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Hoops Tank is amazing! Cant wait until the next one!
JJ been waiting on long time for this one... for sure personal lol was a long wait for bro
Dwight Howard thinks he’s slick with that last question from his burner 💀
How the hell did he call the Pistons 2 rings and 3 finals appearances better than the Lakers getting 3 in 4 appearances or the Kobe Pau Lakers also getting 2 in 3 appearances. Weird exclusion of the 21st century Lakers on here lol
This is my favorite episode. Hoops Tank was a genius segment. You gotta run it back.
Only thing I disagree with this video is considering the Pistons and the Heat dynasties, I'd say to be considered a dynasty you'd need at least 3 championships
Heat won 2006, 2012, 2013.
3 Championships in 8 years for the Spoelstra-Riley-Wade-Haslem group.
I agree, 3 just feels so much more dominant than 2. I feel like 3 is when the other fans start to really get sick of you lol. I would maybe consider the heat based on the number of finals appearances, and I was fairly sick of them by the end
@@financialrocketscience06 was not in the same era as the 12/13 lmaoo that’s not part of the “dynasty”
80s Lakers 90s bulls 2000s lakers and the Steph dubs those are the only true dynasty’s
Imo it's at least three chips and a 50% appearance rate in the finals over you're run of chips.
Look man it’s hard to be a pistons fan just let us pretend we had a dynasty
Listening to this across the room and I heard JJ launching his Hoobastank segment. Pleasantly surprised to find that he was not
Steph seeing the title: 😳 *takes it personal
Well considering every number he has is down except scoring and that's below where it's been the last couple years, I don't think his feelings about the title is going to make much difference
hes averaging 30+ on like 55/45/100 splits the last 5 games? he had a bad december and january but that slump happens almost every year for him, just wait til the end of the year@@SDesWriter
The Warriors were “light years” ahead of other NBA franchises. They all-in tanked a season (worst record) to draft Anthony Edwards but ended up losing the lottery ping pong balls and getting #2 in James Wiseman. If Ant. Edwards were drafted by Warriors, the Warriors dynasty would have lasted another 10 seasons.
Or if they would have drafted haliburton. Which they would have if they weren't 2nd according to Tyrese.
even if they got the 1st pick, they still would've drafted wiseman. he was lacob's pick, called him a generational talent, and paid close to a 100 million in luxury taxes. he was a very expensive project that turned out to be a bust.
Idk man we just now started playing Kuminga lmao
i don't want to hear lamelo's name in any dynasty talk
It can keep going. Steph can play another 5 years. Kuminga is coming along good.
All on board with that defensive 3 seconds change, they do it in fiba/olympics/Europe. Makes complete sense seen as the nba is over the top with how little a defender is able to do in today’s game, we can dream aye
I will also remove 'Offensive basket interference' rule. How can someone offensively interfere with their own basket, they are only assisting the ball into the basket. And I've not seen the offensive 3 seconds call in NBA for at least (hmmm I don't know when it was last called), this is a very common call in countries which plays according to FIBA rules.
Offensive should stay, else it means offense can touch the ball when the defense can't.@@natarajanb1905
Hoops Tank is dope as hell. Keep this going. Haha Strong love for Derrick White.
Another Hoops Tank idea is that the winner of the IST should get to host the All star game. It would further incentivize small markets like OKC to really go for it in the tournament, and could create a culture around keeping the game “at home” for a fanbase if they get it a few years in a row.
As a Warriors fan, I’m just happy I got to see the last NBA dynasty and know that no other fan will get to experience what we experienced. 😁
I LOVE JJ BRO 😂😂😂 this is too funny and creative 🔥🔥🔥
Hoop tank segment was gold man😂you got some wit that fasho
I love the hoops tank xD now consider my suggestion. An all star event where there’s a sort of mini championship where players play one on one against each other and whoever wins it becomes the best one on one player in the league.
Hoops tank is the best thing I’ve ever seen
I love this pod so much
Best episode, and you guys have great content
the quick behind the scenes cuts are great 😂😂
That draft tournament idea is interesting, especially considering what JJ said about the draft becoming that more important (teams will have a much greater incentive to tank). in the not-so-distant future I think it’s possible the NBA takes an action of that kind
Hoops Tank is such a good segment! 😂
JJ, this warriors core trio is build from the draft
Love JJ and I think he's 85% right, but the Warriors were built through the draft and while not very many teams are doing that right now, some are trying. Durant made them better, but the core of that team was not splashy free agent signing. It was a great core and the right mix of support pieces that they frankly rotated.
That said, the current crop of attempts to build through the draft are mostly crap.
0:01 Aloha vibes, also as time changes the game changes with it. The new aprin is placed so teams are not overpowering other teams.
JJ with the literary knowledge. Chaucer, nice.
We’re still going.
- With love from the Bay
GSW team wasn't together at the start of the year and everyone had to take a look in the mirror and admit their flaws and commit themselves to the team. The team now looks so much better even in the losses. Keep the team as is for the year and recalibrate in the offseason.
If you've been a Warriors fan for longer than ten years, you're not used to winning. Steph promised to figure it out and did. But before that was rough.
JJ ‘I wanted the lobster you gave me the crab’ Redick
The defensive 3s rule was awesome. And the draft reverse gauntlet was even better. The teams would stop tanking and we would be watching a more quality basketball all year round. And bottom teams would be thought winning basketball!
Players won’t play hard to draft their replacements though, so I can’t imagine the tournament working.
Hoops tank was fun dude. I wouldn't mind if that became a segment, but maybe it could just be like 2 or 3 pitches per episode so they stay fresh?
Don't think GSW are challenging for a title this year. But they are starting to play better. There is some hope. Wiggins is starting to look like the 2022 version. Kuminga seems to have taken a leap. Brandon Pod is a great late first round rookie. Jackson-Davis is a rotation level NBA big and a great 2nd round find. Klay will likely be back at a much better salary number. Draymond seems to have settled down. They may be able to make a move at the deadline or in the off season to add another player. Their window is definitely closing, but they may have a year or two with some luck. Imagine if they had drafted Halliburton instead of Wiseman, then they are like the Spurs with Kwahi.
JJ just out here having fun 😂😂😂
Kuddos on the edit and new sections💯🔥🌟
The end of dynasties is actually a tragedy for the NBA. There needs to be hierarchy in sports teams - when everyone is at a similar level, there is little avenue for transcendental superstars or upsets or special matchups. The NBA historically has higher viewership in times with a select few dominant favourite teams
I haaaaaate that everyone calls it the big 3, like everyone forgets and disrespects Iggy. Respect the man already!
i respect and love iggy. But he's like the Andrew Wiggins of their runs back then
JJ got a milli subs. Respect 💯
0:02 imagine the warriors go on an insane run and become the first ever play-in team to win it all and solidify themselves as the best dynasty the NBA has ever seen.
Hoops Tank is brilliant!
Loved hoops tank I wish the NBA would consider some of these change. On that note let’s have a hoops tank Richard vs JJ just saying let’s get the debate started!
Love the hoops tank segment 😂💯
Saying the dynasty is over is crazy. Their 3 main guys are still on the team. People were saying it was over back in 2020 and they still came back and won another one. Can’t say it’s over until their core guys are gone.
They are currently 12th in the West while being completely healthy, they are getting older and are clearly regressing
Klay and Dray are old and washed up. Steph can't win without Strength in Numbers.
@@daveclark8337Old and washed up but younger than Steph 🤔🤫
Yo jj can we get these segments weekly?
Hoops tank is awesome
Hoops tank is such a great segment 😂
Great episode!e my only issue is you counting heat, detriot, and celtics as dynasties. Pistons and heat's run is too short. Celtics run was kinda short (but acceptable i suppose) and most importantly it happened sporadically throughout showtime's more dominant dynasty. I hope you do more content like this ep! Love it!
Thanks for watching!
Great stuff as always, JJ. I think the Pistons and Heat and 2nd Kobe two peat would not qualify under the criteria of 1) being dominant for at least 5 years w 3 rings and 4-5 finals. Spurs did win 3 rings in 5 years but never back to back.
So after 60s Celtics, imho, these have been real dynasties, by those criteria:
80s Magic Lakers
80s Bird Celtics
90s MJ Bulls
2000 Shaq/Kobe Lakers
2015-22 Ws
JJ said essentially that there cant be a big 3 anymore and that teams have to build through the draft. Golden State has been built through the draft (sans Durant era) but this new luxury tax still punishes them.
I like the hoops tank segment jj
Hoops tank was fun!!
I like the Hoops Tank segment! I'd love to see you get Mark Cuban to come on as a guest for that here and there.
Playing for Top picks is an awesome idea.. I’d like to expand that idea by saying lock in the top 3 and and the 4-11 duke it out for the remaining . That way the worst teams get in Automatically and can Improve while the middle of the pack can drastically improve and have things to play for.. I say we have a after season tournament 🌚
15:05 abolish dribbling is CRAZY lmao
LOVE HOOP TANKKKKKK
I have a pitch: widen the court by a foot on either side. Eliminates the two turnovers a game when someone steps out of bounds with their size 18 shoes on a corner three.
love this idea
Agree
Hoop tank is hysterical
Great show
GSW record belies their truth strength: Draymond missing a whole month, losing close games while having the most difficult schedule and injuries to rotation players. With Dray back and Kuminga reaching stardoom, the dynasty looks to have more mileage than you think.🤔
Even when they had Draymond earlier on, they were still had. They were like the 11th seed before he got suspended
nice touch and innovation
Love the Hoops Tank segment. And I'd love to see a lot of those changes in the NBA. Only FGM's counting as attempts beyond half court when there's just a few seconds left in a quarter. Not allowing charges on airborne players. Etc.
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@@Yes-No-123 Thanks
That hoops tank segment was hilarious
I would never have imagined JJ was going to be my favorite talking Head
he's a gem. Sounds like you are too.
@@RevolutionistThinker Well thank you
Hoops Tank is gold hahaha, I'm in JJ
the Derrick white glazing is insane tho
Hoops Tank: Extend the three point arch to the sideline & eliminate the sideline & corner three. The corner three is probably the easiest shot to make & it counts for more than difficult & creative lay-ups. The arch is the three point shot. Also, 50 games played should be the mark, f there's gonna be a mark for end of season awards.
Warriors dynasty isn’t over, they are a lot better than what their record says
There was an implication that the Nuggets and Suns are in the same boat and will have to pivot to better drafting to going forward. The Nuggets have all their picks and have been the model of draft and develop. The Nuggets have the best chance of sustaining the next wave of the modern dynasty. The new cap rules actually pull larger market super teams back down to the playing field that teams like Denver, Sacramento, Minnesota, etc have always had to play on.
Everyone wants to get paid eventually, even on the Nuggets. The new rules will make keeping more than 2 elite level players around for longer the 4-5 years VERY hard.
Hoops Tank was fire asf
Steph is the oldest guy on the Warriors and he's playing great. So you can rule out age. The frustration is the younger guys (Wiggens especially) are not playing as well as they did two years ago.
CP3 is their oldest player.. and if you look at their top 4 players (Steph, CP3, Klay, Dramyond).. 3 of them are heavily slowed down because of their age. So your argument is just as Klay. Washed.
And Kuminga 2024 is way better than Kuminga 2022. So it's frustrating that they are not competing for a title now.
You can’t rule out age. Klay and Draymond spent the first few months of the season raging against the dying of the light. And as good as Steph still is, he’s not playing as well as he did at his apex.
Also Steve Kerr's coaching has not helped
I keep wondering when Golden State fans are going to consider the fact that a half dozen other teams got better while they stayed the same or got slightly worse due to age. Maybe when they either don't make the playoffs or get bounced in the play in tournaments it will occur to some of them.
This video’s 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
People are saying it's sad what the warriors has become when it is exactly the opposite. MJ was pissed that Jerry wanted to blowout the team even though they have won a championship. MJ wanted to keep on playing with that roster until they lose. He wanted the decision to blowout the team would happen on the court. Meanwhile you got to give respect to the front office of the Warriors to let Klay and Dray to keep on playing even though they are not the same player they was once. They have earned the right to make the decision to end their era on the court and kudos to the front office for allowing them to do so. And now they are in the point that they cannot win with their current line up and they should be traded at this point in time but that doesn't mean it's disrespectful because Klay and Dray gave them 4 rings. It is just time to move on, simple as that. And they should be celebrated by every basketball fans for giving us one of the greatest basketball until it last.
Hoops Tank is so good hahaha
Hoops Tank is awesome 😂😂😂
This channel literally gets better with each video 😂
With all due respect to JJ and other media members. The fact that Giannis isn't even mentioned in the MVP race whatsoever while having one of the most historic NBA seasons ever, really shows to me that his play is no longer respected or appreciated like it should or used to be. Not that he wasn't constantly disrespected before. I'm guessing Shai will win the MVP this season as of now
Sadly we know voter fatigue is a real thing, so I wouldn't touch Jokic either to win MVP which is a shame because both of them have been balling out this year and if they didn't already hit the "glass ceiling" of two MVPs they would both be in the discussion more. That being said, the Giannis disrespect is real.
need a full scale hoops take show hosted by the NBA with 1 rule selected at the start of the year to be implemented, could get Players, Coaches,, GMs and league officials as the "Sharks"
Love the idea of getting rid of the defensive 3 second rule.
Love hoops tank
A reason dynasty’s will be hard to come across again is because of teams & players giving up too quickly.
Yes, some dynasty’s worked well off the back. Miami big 3: played 4 seasons together, made it to 4 finals all 4 seasons.
But not every dynasty work that way, warriors for example.
(I don’t feel like doing research, so imma just guest their draft year here) steph was drafted in ‘09. Klay and draymond was drafted in 2010. It took them 5 years to make it to the finals & start their dynasty run.
I feel like some teams & players have a win & win NOW mindset. If they don’t win in 1-3 seasons together, a star player requesting a trade, or the team trading a star player.
My mind going blank rn, so I can’t think of teams to give example. But imma say the nets. KD, harden & kyrie could’ve been something special. But they didn’t stay bc they gave up quickly due to injuries & kyrie missing games.
Hoops tank big w
Can you talk about just how good siakam has been for the pacers?
Since having his first practice with the team hes averaging:
25-8-6 with only 1 turnover on 63/50/75 shooting splits in only 32 mpg, hes a +56 and the pacers are 3-1 over that span.
He ended the sixers 6 game win streak, the suns 7 game win streak, the grizzlies 4 game win streak and his only loss was a 5 point loss in boston.. all Without haliburton...
I vividly remember JJ saying he wouldn't bet against a healthy gsw team,then proceeded to bet against them in the finals against Boston so take that with a grain of salt when he says he would never bet against steph 😂
Warriors are still in a reasonably good position. They have 2 very large expiring contracts--Klay at 42M per year and CP3 at 32. If they just don't sign them that liberates enough money to go after 2 high-level free agents. Even if they renegotiate Thompson's contract to something under 20M that's shedding 54M in salary.
That's actually not how it works. If they let klay go they can't just use that 44 mil with the new cba the warriors can't just still spend 186 mil in tax like they have. I don't know the specifics but I know they need to keep klay and pay him the 18-23 mil a year he's really worth. Dray is worth more at 25 so klay needs to accept less than that. If he doesn't want that he, doesn't deserve the NBA. The warriors made him and fans would hate him if he went to play the rest of a shitty career for any team. He needs to stay a dub and accept less than what they already offered him. If he doesn't, he will never sell another jersey. He should have taken 48 for two seasons!!! Cp3 is another story. I personally think the dubs will change nothing and try and make it work next season with all the new guys. Curry still had at least 3 high level seasons and I think the front office hopefully won't panic and sell out their young guys to try and make a run this season. With jk, moody, BP, tjd, they have a bright future and it would be a shame if they throw that away for an already likely ruined season. They should try and make the play-in and hope nobody gets seriously injured.
I heard that JJ plays Larry David’s foil in his final season. He plays Arturo Diaz, a playboy with perfect hair who mocks the bald.
The Pistons or Heat are questionable "dynasties"
I like this one 👌
3 championships is the minimum for a dynasty. The only dynasties are Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Spurs and Warriors
Three in a row, dude! Only the Bulls and the Lakers are qualified in the past 30 years.
That mustache ain't gonna be the move, I can already tell.