Fun fact: The Jim Root terror and the OR15 are the same circuits, but voiced to sound different. It even has both names on the PCB. A few people have modded the OR15 into the Jim Root and added a toggle switch. There’s a video here somewhere.
The Dark Terror isn't a lower wattage version of the Thunderverb. The only similarity is the shape control, completely different circuit otherwise. The Thunderverb shape control was the basis behind building the amp, however. I own a Thunderverb 200 and Dual Dark 200 for what it's worth. They sound completely different, and the Dual Dark has way more gain. Cool video though man!
Good video, but wacky take when it comes to headroom. Yeah at a gig you can mic a cab but that won't help you compete with a monster drummer in a small rehearsal space. The reason doom guitarists play 120w amps has more to do with confined spaces than open ones. In the studio you can slaughter a 5w amp and sound killer. On stage 20w and a PA can get you over the line. Jam room is a lord of the flies free for all. It's on you to clear the dB level of the kit. Big boy amp is the most efficient method of doing that. Also if you ever need to put a drummer in their place, having the wattage to drown them out completely is a pretty neat trick to have up your sleeve.
@@forlornhope_ I've seen 50w through 4x12 get pummelled into submission by a loud enough drummer. You're right about the cab doing a lot of heavy lifting,, but it also tells me more about the drummers you're used to playing with than the capacity of a 15w amp. I'm not a die hard 100+w amp guy. I have a 4w, a 22w, a 38w, 2x50w and a 120w. I like to think I have a good perspective on when each weight class is most effective. If I thought 50w wasn't enough I wouldn't have two amps at that rating... but sometimes 50w isn't enough. If you get the hardest hitting doom or hardcore drummer in town into a small to average sized living room and you're standing with like a china 3 feet away from your head, and you're contemplating practising with earplugs, then the value of extra wattage (or at least a second 4x12) becomes a lot more obvious. Also the reverb you get from bouncing sound off the neighbours houses is pretty neat. Anyway just putting it out there that drum savageness is always overlooked when it comes to guitarists sharing opinions on output power, and it's more important than venue size.
I was really impressed with the micro dark terror, honestly. I bought it on a whim, because I wanted something new and had the 180 bucks for a used one burning a hole in my pocket. Glad I did lol. Fun amp and great sounding as well. Even for a small hybrid solid state/preamp tube amp.
Thank you for uploading this video!!! It really made my day! I bought an Orange Dark Terror some months ago and I loved its portability. I liked it when you said that the dark terror could be used to play arenas. Maybe some day!
Great sounding amp for blues to southern stoner sludge… Hendrix through to Down. Sounds amazing with single coil pups! For proper heavy shit I tend to use my MT-15. The matching Jim Root 2x12 is amazing, loaded with Orange’s Voice of the World speakers. Personally, I think they sound better than V30s for metal, but that’s purely a personal thing. I use the MT-15 through the Jim Root cab for metal, and the Jim Root head thru a PRS HDRX cab for blues 😂
This is cool.. never thought about the mini amp equivalent.. mind you my tiny terror seems to have a lot more gain than my ad30.. but a point they sound similar... hence why I bought it. Awesome video dude.
Nice video. While the shape knob is a common feature on the thunderverb. The thunderverb is 3 gain stages while the dual dark and dark terror are 4 gain stages. I’ve played a thunderverb and own a dual dark and dark terror. The dark amps have a faster response on channel B, and more gain sooner. Channel A on the thunderverb and dual dark are completely different. Ade Elmsley admits that channel A in the dual dark is new to orange. Orange can say with perfectly utility that the thunderverb is an older sibling, but the dark terror is not a 15 watt thunderverb. Much like I have similarities with my older brother, but am not a younger version of him. I’d really like a thunderverb to play stuff with more head room. The Brent hinds terror is based off the get away driver pedal which is oranges take on the Marshall JMP. I bought a Brent hinds terror because it really does sound marshally. You get power tube break up at very early volume settings like a Marshall, unlike other oranges amps where power tube breakup is later on the volume dial. Try that amp! It rips! I actually have 2 dual darks. Might sell one. Convince me not to!
Actually Vox did the first lunchbox head which was the Night train. But I digress. I own the Dark, OR 15, Crush 100, and Terror stomp. Cant go wrong with Orange.
I’d love to have a dark terror and a jimroot terror or or15 basically same thing but all black looks cool! I have a rocker30 which is apparently the rockerverb circuit (not sure which no tho ) ? but in a smaller amp and the natural channel sounds killer cranked!!! Ade is a genius!
You are 100% right about the differences of the Dark Terror and JR#4. They are not the same preamp. (Not sure about the thunderverb preamp part though.) Great budget ways to get into these style amps. They are probably some of the best EL84 amps on the market. They still can't compare with the "terror" the big boy amps can bring. For sure take a look at the OR15, it's a JR#4 with a slight change to the preamp. You can mod either amp to act like a JR#4 or OR15. The new OR30 seems really interesting too.
Unfortunately it is not true that the Dark Terror is a Thunderverb. Very different schematically. The Dark Terror and TH30 dirty channel are basically the same and resemble a Rockerverb dirty preamp only using the “shape” knob found on the Thunderverb which is a basic tone stack, TMB summed onto a single 1M dual gang tone stack. But the gain stages are all Rockerverb. All the lunchbox amps except the Tiny Terror are similar that way.
Brent H Terror was a modded Rocker 15. Both are 3 gain stages. Thunderverb is also 3 stages. Tiny terror is two stages and the fat channel of the dual terror is two stages with a cathode follower (basically a plexi with no eq knobs). Jim Root is the only dirct Rockerverb relative. TH30 and dark terror are also four stage preamps, but they are voiced closer to the Thunderverbs.
@@natec4339 Yes, I forgot about the Rocker and Brent Hinds. The Dual Terror as well. But still, the Dark Terror is not voiced like a Thunderverb. The Dark Terror has the same gain structuring as a Rockerverb. I have schematics to these amps.
I am not trying to start anything haha, but I don't see why Orange would lie. That being said I am not an expert, nor do I know how to read any type of schematic, you could be right, I just would not be able to know myself. One thing I will try to do is remember this conversation, and maybe if one day my channel here grows big enough, I will try to interview someone from Orange and bring this up. Honestly I would love to know myself (:
@@forlornhope_ I don’t think Orange is lying about anything, I’ve never heard them say its a Thunderverb preamp, just that it uses the Thunderverb “shape” control. One less gain stage in a Thunderverb and the cathode bypass caps are much larger, allowing more low frequencies and affecting the gain structure because of it. The biasing on the preamp tubes is different as well. This is why the Thunderverb also works well as a bass amp.
2x EL84 is small tubes.. Need to look into tube constructions, the differences inside them are vast though similar but none the less for a 15w maximum amplifier those tubes are almost too big 😅 People out there driving their power sections off one EL84 surpass the days of old.. The Dark Terror is arguably a agreed upon overkill of gain stuffed on top of a iconic circuit.. Worked well enough to make 4 different runs of a 'discontinued' circuit.. I think it is a beautiful thing 😅
@@MeTuLHeD No problem (: So I have a CABM+ where the IR is loaded. You plug it between your amp and your load box. The load box I am using is a Rivera Rock Crusher. I highly recommend it just because it is built very very well.
@@forlornhope_Thanks again for the quick replies. I'm very familiar with the CABM but I don't use one. Haven't really gotten into direct recording with amps...yet. I either record in the box with plug-ins (most of the time) or I mic up an amp/cab.
@@forlornhope_I have the schematics and I made a bunch of mod on this amps. Thunderverbs have a 3 gain stage preamp... The shape circuit is a ganged bass and treble knob taken from a vox Amp!
they state "the 4-stage preamp borrows technology from our flagship amps"... "With four cascading stages, the Dark Terror has enough juice..." "With the same meticulously-engineered gain structure as our flagship Dual Dark and Rockerverb amps...." etc etc...@@forlornhope_
My English is not very good, but my ears are very good and I can hear you gently stroking the strings! This is suitable for the clitoris, but not for playing metal. More anger in your right hand bro, more attack and you will really like the way you sound.
Fun fact: The Jim Root terror and the OR15 are the same circuits, but voiced to sound different. It even has both names on the PCB. A few people have modded the OR15 into the Jim Root and added a toggle switch. There’s a video here somewhere.
Oh thats cool! I would love to see that. I'm definitely looking that up haha
The Dark Terror isn't a lower wattage version of the Thunderverb. The only similarity is the shape control, completely different circuit otherwise. The Thunderverb shape control was the basis behind building the amp, however.
I own a Thunderverb 200 and Dual Dark 200 for what it's worth. They sound completely different, and the Dual Dark has way more gain. Cool video though man!
I appreciate it! I wish I had both a Dual Dark and a Thunderverb. Maybe one day ;D
Good video, but wacky take when it comes to headroom. Yeah at a gig you can mic a cab but that won't help you compete with a monster drummer in a small rehearsal space. The reason doom guitarists play 120w amps has more to do with confined spaces than open ones.
In the studio you can slaughter a 5w amp and sound killer. On stage 20w and a PA can get you over the line. Jam room is a lord of the flies free for all. It's on you to clear the dB level of the kit. Big boy amp is the most efficient method of doing that. Also if you ever need to put a drummer in their place, having the wattage to drown them out completely is a pretty neat trick to have up your sleeve.
I speak from experience on this amp, at a quarter up this amp will push a 4x12 louder than the drummer. 15w is plenty lol
I just like having the headroom. I use a 120 watt amp with the volume on 1
@@forlornhope_ I've seen 50w through 4x12 get pummelled into submission by a loud enough drummer.
You're right about the cab doing a lot of heavy lifting,, but it also tells me more about the drummers you're used to playing with than the capacity of a 15w amp.
I'm not a die hard 100+w amp guy. I have a 4w, a 22w, a 38w, 2x50w and a 120w. I like to think I have a good perspective on when each weight class is most effective. If I thought 50w wasn't enough I wouldn't have two amps at that rating... but sometimes 50w isn't enough.
If you get the hardest hitting doom or hardcore drummer in town into a small to average sized living room and you're standing with like a china 3 feet away from your head, and you're contemplating practising with earplugs, then the value of extra wattage (or at least a second 4x12) becomes a lot more obvious.
Also the reverb you get from bouncing sound off the neighbours houses is pretty neat.
Anyway just putting it out there that drum savageness is always overlooked when it comes to guitarists sharing opinions on output power, and it's more important than venue size.
@@Ottophil I don't blame you for that haha. My Hughes & Kettner Warp X is a 100w and my Egnater Armageddon is 120w. They are incredible :)
“Based on”
Not 15 watt thunderverb.
Additional gain stage in pre.
More gain less tubby.
No secret,
orange has confusing marketing sometimes.
I was really impressed with the micro dark terror, honestly. I bought it on a whim, because I wanted something new and had the 180 bucks for a used one burning a hole in my pocket. Glad I did lol. Fun amp and great sounding as well. Even for a small hybrid solid state/preamp tube amp.
I seriously need to pick one up! Haha
Thank you for uploading this video!!! It really made my day! I bought an Orange Dark Terror some months ago and I loved its portability. I liked it when you said that the dark terror could be used to play arenas. Maybe some day!
Great sounding amp for blues to southern stoner sludge… Hendrix through to Down. Sounds amazing with single coil pups!
For proper heavy shit I tend to use my MT-15.
The matching Jim Root 2x12 is amazing, loaded with Orange’s Voice of the World speakers. Personally, I think they sound better than V30s for metal, but that’s purely a personal thing. I use the MT-15 through the Jim Root cab for metal, and the Jim Root head thru a PRS HDRX cab for blues 😂
This is cool.. never thought about the mini amp equivalent.. mind you my tiny terror seems to have a lot more gain than my ad30.. but a point they sound similar... hence why I bought it. Awesome video dude.
Thank you very much (:
I love some of those riffs man!
I seriously appreciate that, though I need more work XD
I have the orange 2 stroke run through the fx loop . Amazing on this i love it
I need to check that out (:
Yes you'll be amazed
Knowing that they're all based on a larger amp, Now I really want a Lunchbox OD120 to come out
That would be awesome!
Mini Drive, Drive Terror, OD30 perhaps
@@justsomedude5727 I'll definitely give that a shot :)
Nice video. While the shape knob is a common feature on the thunderverb. The thunderverb is 3 gain stages while the dual dark and dark terror are 4 gain stages.
I’ve played a thunderverb and own a dual dark and dark terror. The dark amps have a faster response on channel B, and more gain sooner.
Channel A on the thunderverb and dual dark are completely different. Ade Elmsley admits that channel A in the dual dark is new to orange.
Orange can say with perfectly utility that the thunderverb is an older sibling, but the dark terror is not a 15 watt thunderverb. Much like I have similarities with my older brother, but am
not a younger version of him.
I’d really like a thunderverb to play stuff with more head room.
The Brent hinds terror is based off the get away driver pedal which is oranges take on the Marshall JMP.
I bought a Brent hinds terror because it really does sound marshally. You get power tube break up at very early volume settings like a Marshall, unlike other oranges amps where power tube breakup is later on the volume dial. Try that amp! It rips!
I actually have 2 dual darks. Might sell one. Convince me not to!
I want a dual dark so bad! I really wanna collect all of the lunchbox amps though. You have a very cool collection man!
@@forlornhope_ if i decide to sell it, ill hit you up.
also Im glad you mentioned Jon Symons...hes awesome too
Absolutely! :)
Actually Vox did the first lunchbox head which was the Night train. But I digress. I own the Dark, OR 15, Crush 100, and Terror stomp. Cant go wrong with Orange.
I own or15 and dark terror. Might get or30 next. My Dark Terror stopped working. Orange sending me new one
@@jaquesels581what happened with it?
Also for more headroom try running out of the send into a return of a louder amp ….
I'd love to hear the Dark Terror A/B'd with a Micro Dark. I'm considering upgrading out of my MD.
I could definitely do that :) I think I can pick one up pretty cheap
Get yourself a Dual Dark if you can find one; it's the next level up. EL34 power tubes make a difference.
I want one so bad! Its gonna be a while before I can afford one XD
This is my favorite amp too. It sounds best without any distortion or fuzz pedals - just drive the shit out of the amp!
Dark terrors and channel 2 of the th30 and th100 have similarities but they are differently voiced. And the th30 and th100 are not thunderverbs.
I’d love to have a dark terror and a jimroot terror or or15 basically same thing but all black looks cool! I have a rocker30 which is apparently the rockerverb circuit (not sure which no tho ) ? but in a smaller amp and the natural channel sounds killer cranked!!! Ade is a genius!
You are 100% right about the differences of the Dark Terror and JR#4. They are not the same preamp. (Not sure about the thunderverb preamp part though.)
Great budget ways to get into these style amps. They are probably some of the best EL84 amps on the market. They still can't compare with the "terror" the big boy amps can bring.
For sure take a look at the OR15, it's a JR#4 with a slight change to the preamp. You can mod either amp to act like a JR#4 or OR15. The new OR30 seems really interesting too.
I appreciate it! I am exited to dive deeper in to these amps :)
Unfortunately it is not true that the Dark Terror is a Thunderverb. Very different schematically. The Dark Terror and TH30 dirty channel are basically the same and resemble a Rockerverb dirty preamp only using the “shape” knob found on the Thunderverb which is a basic tone stack, TMB summed onto a single 1M dual gang tone stack. But the gain stages are all Rockerverb. All the lunchbox amps except the Tiny Terror are similar that way.
Brent H Terror was a modded Rocker 15. Both are 3 gain stages. Thunderverb is also 3 stages. Tiny terror is two stages and the fat channel of the dual terror is two stages with a cathode follower (basically a plexi with no eq knobs). Jim Root is the only dirct Rockerverb relative. TH30 and dark terror are also four stage preamps, but they are voiced closer to the Thunderverbs.
@@natec4339 Yes, I forgot about the Rocker and Brent Hinds. The Dual Terror as well. But still, the Dark Terror is not voiced like a Thunderverb. The Dark Terror has the same gain structuring as a Rockerverb. I have schematics to these amps.
I am not trying to start anything haha, but I don't see why Orange would lie. That being said I am not an expert, nor do I know how to read any type of schematic, you could be right, I just would not be able to know myself. One thing I will try to do is remember this conversation, and maybe if one day my channel here grows big enough, I will try to interview someone from Orange and bring this up. Honestly I would love to know myself (:
@@forlornhope_ I don’t think Orange is lying about anything, I’ve never heard them say its a Thunderverb preamp, just that it uses the Thunderverb “shape” control. One less gain stage in a Thunderverb and the cathode bypass caps are much larger, allowing more low frequencies and affecting the gain structure because of it. The biasing on the preamp tubes is different as well. This is why the Thunderverb also works well as a bass amp.
That makes sense, I love this thing. I would really love to have a sitdown with Orange amp maker tbh
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all orange lunchbox amps uses mini power tubes that fizzle out when cranked. try a dsl20 or prsMT15 for lunchbox amps that come with FULL Power Tubes.
2x EL84 is small tubes.. Need to look into tube constructions, the differences inside them are vast though similar but none the less for a 15w maximum amplifier those tubes are almost too big 😅 People out there driving their power sections off one EL84 surpass the days of old.. The Dark Terror is arguably a agreed upon overkill of gain stuffed on top of a iconic circuit.. Worked well enough to make 4 different runs of a 'discontinued' circuit.. I think it is a beautiful thing 😅
I have one and it rips, I run it thru 2 1x12 Orange cabs for a mini Stak.
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Do you ever make videos on VSTs?
Sorry just now seeing this. Depends on what you mean, technically I do ;D
Which pickups are you using here?
The TH30 is 30 watt...I just got one
I need to get one someday haha
Sounds awesome! Subbed to get you 1 step closef to 1k subs buddy.
Thank you very much :)
So are you miking a cab here or running it into IR's?
Its an IR. Its Kohlkellers DV77 impulse :) I absolutely love it
@@forlornhope_Thanks. So are you using a load box? Or does the Orange have some kind of direct output?
@@MeTuLHeD No problem (: So I have a CABM+ where the IR is loaded. You plug it between your amp and your load box. The load box I am using is a Rivera Rock Crusher. I highly recommend it just because it is built very very well.
@@forlornhope_Thanks again for the quick replies. I'm very familiar with the CABM but I don't use one. Haven't really gotten into direct recording with amps...yet. I either record in the box with plug-ins (most of the time) or I mic up an amp/cab.
@@MeTuLHeD nothing wrong with that at all! Its just convenience for me haha, using a mic to cab is the best way to do it tbh
Fun video. I have this amp.
My favorite setup is a dark terror into my old Mesa fat bottom cab (v30s) fat titty tone....
I really need to get me a good ole oversize mesa cab!
Wrong! The dark terror has the same gain structure as the rockerverb, the dual dark, the Jim root and the th30!
So Orange is lying?
@@forlornhope_I have the schematics and I made a bunch of mod on this amps. Thunderverbs have a 3 gain stage preamp... The shape circuit is a ganged bass and treble knob taken from a vox Amp!
Thats definitely cool, I am not sure why Orange would state this on their website though lol
they state "the 4-stage preamp borrows technology from our flagship amps"... "With four cascading stages, the Dark Terror has enough juice..." "With the same meticulously-engineered gain structure as our flagship Dual Dark and Rockerverb amps...." etc etc...@@forlornhope_
But made in china& the valves. I mean really
Bro, where is the palm mute, what kind of liquid crap is this?
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My English is not very good, but my ears are very good and I can hear you gently stroking the strings! This is suitable for the clitoris, but not for playing metal. More anger in your right hand bro, more attack and you will really like the way you sound.
@@radukilar2337 hahahahaha man i love you! absolute gold
@@alexfarmer9051 :) thank you man
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