Overwatch 2 - SEASON 6 Invasion Hero Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Illari already nerfed but that's okay she's still good.
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0:00 Intro
0:40 1) DVa
1:20 2) Doomfist
2:05 3) Junker Queen
2:20 4) Orisa
3:24 5) Ramattra
3:55 6) Reinhardt
4:36 7) Roadhog
4:49 8) Sigma
5:31 9) Winston
6:56 10) Wrecking Ball
7:40 11) Zarya
8:20 12) Ashe
8:31 13) Bastion
9:52 14) Cassidy
12:04 15) Echo
13:05 16) Genji
13:49 17) Hanzo
14:21 18) Junkrat
15:14 19) Mei
16:26 20) Pharah
17:03 21) Reaper
17:20 22) Sojourn
18:17 23) Soldier:76
18:49 24) Sombra
20:43 25) Symmetra
21:38 26) Torbjorn
22:35 27) Tracer
24:26 28) Widowmaker
25:30 29) Ana
26:22 30) Baptiste
27:55 31) Brigitte
28:46 32) Illari
30:22 33) Kiriko
30:58 34) Lifeweaver
33:13 35) Lucio
34:24 36) Mercy
35:26 37) Moira
36:25 38) Zenyatta
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Little late to pinning a comment but remember: Play whatever you want as everyone will experience and perceive the game differently. This tier list is just my opinion. I'll answer some comments below over the next few days to add more context surrounding my tier choice if you're interested in my additional opinions on more nuanced situations
thank you for making this tierlist now i can officially say that hog is a trash hero and i am not bad at him but he is just garbage
KAR I THINK I SAW U IN A GAME IT WAS A CAPTURE AND PUSH MAP MY NAME WAS XOTIICWHO I GOT KILLED BY A ECHO NAMED KARQ
wasnt me@@Just._.jaden.
@@KarQ ok thank u I just wanted to know
@@KarQ wait…. I have 1 more question u don’t have to respond if I’m wasting ur time but have u coached someone befor
I don't think the Mercy nerf really does much to Pharah. 25% damage boost still hits all the breakpoints that 30% did and you still have the same healing and rez. Worst case you're just missing out on 1 or 2% ult charge during a fight when hitting tanks.
Mainly relevant for splash damage
It’s almost the same for junk it’s for the splash one extra shot can mean a lot
for direct hit? yeah. but splash damage? it actually do the job. didnt you guys as community hate "nerfing skill" and love even glorified "skilled gameplay mechanic exclusively for top 0.001%"?
should we bring back infinite range 1-headshot widow, 2-headshot ash, 1 hit combo roadhook, high turn rate tokyo drift charge rein, 1-headshot fully charge sojourn, actual 2s cd of guardian angle mercy, relative high consistent damage and low cd blink for tracer, tighter spread and relative-high damage 3-spread shuriken genji, day 1 kiriko kunai damage? list can go on, should i make excel and show you everything?
@@lukasg4807 It's not very relevant there either. At the high end you go from 154 to 150 and at the low end you go from 32-31.
The window for the splash breakpoints to shift are virtually nonexistent. We're talking only a handful of inch wide zones in a large 5 meter AoE. And that's only leaving someone on 1-4 HP, which will often translate to an elimination anyway.
@@vandlassie8478 It has almost no effect on splash damage either. Ashe also does 2 shot with headshots. That's 300 damage.
It also seems like you're trying to complain about things that are too strong, but since release they've mostly just buffed Kiriko's knifes. She'll still 2 shot the same people but with a higher fire rate and higher base damage. She was only really nerfed against tracer.
As a metal-noob I can say with 100% certainty that Junks spam doen't matter, what pisses me off is the one-shot combo he can pull out of his ass.
100% agree with this, i think its kinda dumb that you cant try and flank him without him getting away for free because he pressed 2 buttons
@@Moon_Blast189Flanking is a privilege, not a right 😀
No shit, I'm just stating an example
@@bakedbeings Wtf does that even mean?!?
the spam matters when u 1hp, running away, and a random rat pellet hits u (i hate junkrat)
I'm glad u kept mentioning the heal creep. I think the game has a pretty big problem right now with supports just outhealing a lot of dmg. It makes the game feel extra dependent on support because if u can just outheal the dmg there's not much the enemy team can do even with focus fire because of dmg mitigating abilities. Also the power of orisa is truly absurd in every rank, in my gm games we don't even shoot at her anymore, it's a pointless endeavor 😂
Especially when you consider the damage that so many supports can do. Ilari, bap, moira, zen… pretty sad seeing support out dpsing damage heroes all the time, or at least getting close.
But also as a Support main, even before the insane healing numbers we have right now, when someone dies, the first person they blame is the supports. So it feels good to be able to bail people out when they make a big mistake and definitely should have died.
@@yoku651I hard disagree. The only person that'd I'd ever hear complain is the tank. But they were a straight up punching bag for 5 seasons and still are. I flex all 3 roles though, sure bailing someone out feels nice, but they shouldn't be so oppressive that they are doing someone else's job like many of them do. They can out duel most DPS within that supports' effective ranges, they are the peel for most of the team and they are the pockets. In my opinion, in a lot of cases at least, I would actually prefer the damage output of a support over the output of many dps (saying if I could instead use the weapons or damage numbers of a support like Kiriko or Bap instead of say those of Cassidy or Genji on dps) or the defensive capabilities from some of the supports on a tank for peel or control (Cleanse without the heal, Whip Shot, the slow from Illoari ultimate). Supports instead became a do all role instead of supports while still outputting insane healing numbers.
Most supports in other games heal, debuff the enemies to make it easier to kill them or harder for them to kill something, or buff their allies so they are harder to kill or they have an easier time killing someone. But they (In most cases) would never be able to take on another role in a duel and win with the ease that OW2 has provided given that supports dont really have an Achilles heel rn. Equaling damage and health to the damage role characters with the ability to heal and peel makes them easy hard carries and it's been that way for a bit now and why I've been playing more and more support instead of the other two roles. They just aren't fun or good really compared to the supports.
Sorry, didnt mean to rant
@@yoku651while that may be true so far in a majority of my games it's always the support that starts typing toxic stuff in the game chat
I'm so happy you mentioned lifeweavers shield break potential. Whenever I play lifeweaver and everyone is topped off I'm looking for deployables and shields I can pressure with thornvolley
I love that you divided this into 2 seperate lists!
Just like there's chess openings that suit beginners and those that suit grand masters.
In the lower ranks, lifeweaver is great for when your tank has no awareness and rushes in alone. Just pulling them back usually makes them back off which is good.
In lower ranks the lifewaevers also pull you out at the most inconvenient times. Like I’m using reins ult so I can specifically charge in relatively consequence free but than life weave pulls me back before I can get kills with my ult and the same thing with ram as he ults. Gotta let tanks engage and do their thing I never get pulled back when I actually need/want it dva bomb, low health falling off the map etc pull is not effectively used in metal ranks as well as LW flower platform is
True but sometimes the lifeweavers are so dense. One got stuck with a tracer ult pulled me in and we both died..
In metal ranks lifeweavers are idiots who constantly pull tanks out of position. Example: "Zarya is pressuring ,has a bubble and is behind cover? Nah, pull her away from cover into the line of fire."
The Zarya asks politely each time to stop being pulled out of position? Nah, let's keep doing it until we either lose the match or Zarya rage quits.
@@rishabh5750that was definitely me pulling you into the tracer bomb the one time i played lifeweaver i'm so sorry
@@taoaaao5705 haha hey man, shit happens. at least we both went out together
It’s kinda weird right now because I feel like a lot of tanks are getting destroyed by patches, but at the same time it’s so fun playing against bastion. Even though he can shred you in a second, having bastion be picked in every metal rank game is one less cc ability to stop dive or brawl…
To be fair his tank form thingy might as well be CC, like yeah you can still run around when he's using it but you die just as quick if not quicker than if you got CC'd when he shoots you.
Forgot to mention that Illari absolutely SHITS on Ball. Her Outburst can completely stop his piledriver, a well placed Pylon really makes his assassination attempts difficult, she can ult to escape his mines and target the unprotected team since there's no defensive abilities to disrupt it.
ball mains can't get a break these past seasons lmao
@@thecosm7152good
@@thecosm7152keep it that way
ball just rolls to the pylon and kills it? where's that difficult? what's she gonna do about it lol
@@Goldy01 She’s gonna kill his team or take half of ball’s hp while he’s throwing his entire clip into killing the pylon
And what’s ball gonna do once he kills it? Get his subsequent engage denied by illari’s boop?
Aside from the horse being absolutely unkillable and Roadhog just being a walking bullet sponge with no value, I think the hero balance right now is the best it's ever been
Ball needs a buff aswell dont forget
@@Yes-dp8bband doom trust just fix his bugs
@@Yes-dp8bbnah ball is good where he is as long as ur team is good enough to not get wiped by a queen or hog
Average bronze 5 Overwatch player take
@@chocolantrosaI’m plat and I agree with his take. Only throw picks right now is Pharah and Roadhog. All we need is a masters and top 500 to agree with this take.
In Metal Rank Lobbies:
“Don’t shoot the horse!”
*Bastion: Allow me to introduce myself.*
So true
orisa is so fucking broken right now she needs to be nerfed. every game i play this season somebody is playing her and she just counters so many tanks and abilitys with her fortify and damage reduction its so dumb
16:57 You would think that, but metal rank Mercys rarely pocket and instead try to heal the rest of the team way too much.
Yeah, some mercy's forget to damage boost, and only just healbot
Happens even in Master... that's why Mercy mains have slowly become my most hated after ofc Pharah and maybe Doomfist.
Interesting, they don't fly with Pharah's enough at metal ranks? Didn't know that was a common occurrence, I thought it was the opposite where the Mercy's just afk fly with the Pharah and ignore the rest of the team.
@@KarQ they use their dmg boost like twice a game and heal pocket the tank. As an Ana main I started to hate most mercys. It still happens in Masters tbh.
@@KarQ Yeah usually one or the other, pocket too hard or doesn't pocket at all and never uses blue beam, it can depend but I think they lack the decision making or understanding to pocket or not pocket.
My boy hog down in the depths still :(
Deserved
Hes in his happy place, where he can feel a sense of belonging. And I prefer it to stay that way
Yes! And the bad News he’s still in the game
good
Until next season...
A great Tier-list as always, KarQ. Organized, well-reasoned and concise. Thank you.
I appreciate the good punctuation, sir.
40 minutes and consise is a new combo
Appreciate you Donler
@@flametooothwhen you have to analyse the whole OW² roster, it is, you cant be anymore concise and talk about every hero...
Man nobody's talking about it but diamond/master have become FILLED with doomfist one tricks. he's absolutely the most popular tank in these ranks. so annoying how common it is
As a tank player, u either go Dva orisa or mirror doom, else u get to watch your team get slaughtered by 1 doom
Seriously. Doom is overpowered right now unless you actively try to counter him
Idk about nobody talking about it I said it at 1:56 🤣
The biggest problem with Lucio in low ranks isn't necessarily people not knowing how to play him (That happens too though) as much as nobody knowing how to play WITH him. Nobody in low elo has any idea what speed boost actually does and doesn't coordinate it at all. Lucio is also that support that because of his kit, will probably have the worst stats on the leaderboard. If a team is losing it will instantly be the Lucio that they blame since there isn't a way to quantify value from speed on the scoreboard.
Playing control on maps where a Lucio speed boost rollout from spawn is incredibly important to gain a favorable position for first fight, and people are like “why are you on Lucio”
100% this. I will speed amp at the choke and my team just stands there, refusing to go in with me, instead waiting for the heat death of the universe to take them.
Im so glad your talking about healing creep. I play reinhert and 4 hammer swings should kill soldier but instead he has a lw pocket plus a healing turret plus his own healing
As a Brig player on the other side of that situation, can confirm. It's so easy to keep the team alive in a brawl like that. Just keep that inspire going and everyone is suddenly noticeably harder to kill, plus with repairs packs doing an instant 25hp healing and then 100hp over two seconds, you can easily keep three squishies alive through even very aggressive pushes.
of all the Overwatch tier lists yours always feel the most accurate
Nice to see doomfist out of the D/F tiers
I wish hog and ball could come near doom
I feel doom is b tier at this point with how strong orisa is and the amount of cc but once again this is his opinion
@@Crusty_Swordtrue orisa is what keeps doom in check a lot, if orisa wouldn’t be so strong, doom would be A or even S tier
@@emiliox4474I mean even when orisa was bad things like hack, hunter and sleep keep doom down
I see what you did there
I pretty much never played Orisa, and I always struggled with her, but this season I had been swapping to her on a whim and just been cleaning up.
Echo in plat and above is pretty oppressive tbh, her stickies and beam do way too much damage and are very forgiving, good echos take over games. At least A tier, would be A+ but a lot of her counters are good rn
Agree 100%
I agree but she’s fun so shhh
Very true, a lot of people don't look up. The list on the left is a big net that ranges from bronze 5 - gm2. I didn't wanna do a tier list at every rank because you can sorta fill the gaps in-between and too many lists gets too convoluted. Some heroes when I go over them I mention how they're probably way lower on average in metal ranks and go up quite a bit in high plat - diamond like Echo. I mention the same with Tracer 23:35
and also very quiet for how much damage she can output. once i lost a havana game from her silently flying over the sea fort thing and bursting our supports
As a ball main, he really needs some love soon😢
Ball has to be the biggest loser with the one tank shift its pure pain the amount of things that counter you with no effort. Just picking Sombra means ball needs to swap or you're basically throwing the game
Echo in plat diamond is actually so dominant
I was literally just looking for this, got back into the game today after leaving for 5 seasons and I was so lost 😅
As someone who speaks Spanish hearing ILL-ARI is driving me insane. It’s pronounced like Iyari. I know it’s pixels, but it’s the principle.
Seems that neither. From the background story people say it's pronounced Iliari, haven't seen it yet to confirm myself. Btw, also seems that the name's Quechua and not Spanish
Spanish speaker here, and yeah it sounds strange. But as others have said, her name is Quechua (I think it means "daybreak"). If nothing else, she and Echo seem to pronounce it Iliari.
I understand but I'm gonna just default to the anglicized versions of heros and maps incase I mess up the accent. For example I'll say Eye-chen-wald but in German it's pronounced a bit different. Or Bri -gee - tah but in Swedish it's like Bri-git-teh or something along those lines. Additionally I believe it's actually "Eel-yari" which when said quick sounds like "Eel - ee - ari" as she said her own name in her origin story in Quechua. I tried my best doing it the Quechua way in my Illari mythbusters and you would not believe the amount of spanish speakers criticizing my pronunciation when I swear I was doing my best saying it how she said it herself 😭. Here's the timestamp of her pronunciation: ruclips.net/video/LBI_uHJD-Xo/видео.html
Actually, 'till Lifeweaver that's practically a common composition (Ram, switching sometimes with Orisa, Soldier, Torb, Life) in low rank (top silver los gold)... So, that's pretty accurate
Love your videos, KarkQ. Keep it up!
Mei just doesn’t apply consistent pressure on her own anymore like every other dps. She feels more like a dpm than a dps
Exactly
She's mostly played for her wall now in brawl comps on control maps. I think the change was fine until all this extra healing came up with the latest LW buffs + Illari 120hps beam. Aint no mei outdamaging that when she's slowling ice beaming you down just to do a 150dmg headshot that then gets re-healed before her next shot is ready (which wont be buffed until you freeze them enough again).
**Every** other dps is an overstatement.. I know at least one suffering the same fate
Theyve switched from shooting shelds to shooting heroes with 50% damage resist and comical amounts of overhealth. Orisa, bastion, ram, torb and now lifeweaver tree. Honestly so boring
I believe it 100% about Winston. Ive only played with a handful of decent ones who didn't jump behind a wall LoSing heals or jump into the whole enemy team with half health and no dome and instantly die. Also Lifeweaver is one of my favorite supports. You can healbot the hell out of someone with him, save people's asses with his flower power or grip, give your team better positioning, use his tree to block ults or survive ults, so much.
Thank goodness for subtitles
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Being a Cass main, and experiencing Soldier and Ashe being better at everything he does :(.
Pure pain. I love you Cass, but my rank is more important and I am not dropping to Diamond because of you.
play ashe,soldier is cringe af
@@kogama2202 fast maps Ashe suffers. The only way I could play her is if we have a Lucio. If I’m killed, I probably won’t make it to the point before is captured.
@@SpartanKyuubi that and also despite soldier being "cringe", why would you not play soldier as a hitscan player when his damage literally decimates tanks compared to ashe
@@hakseuu I wasn’t the one that said he was cringe
As a tank main, definitely gonna stop playing for a while. It's just so miserable with the incessant counter picking and insane burst dmg. Which is like the opposite of what they (YTers included) said 5v5 would be like. It's just so disappointing
I agree. Since youre left alone to solo tank, its become so difficult unless you have a coordinated team and a dedicated healer. Even then yoy can just be shred to bits
Im tired of playing against so much cc as well. Orisa doom being meta is awful
playing tank is so exhausting cause you sometimes just absolutely roll a game by yourself and then the next 5 games are the enemy team fully comp swapping every life and pounding you into the dust
lifewaeaver's always strong on lower ranks because a healer trying to climb can climb easier if they can force their teammates into good positions.
of course that cuts both ways, bad lifeweavers be pulling people out of good engagements and into danger as well.
And not to mention he’s probably one of the best heal-bots and that playstyle is very good in low ranks because the enemy is less likely to prioritize killing supports
i mean if you're a support in low ranks your positioning is probably not that good either, so positioning other people into bad spots doesn't seem all that great to me. If he's good it's probably just because of the raw healing output he can do, along with his increased survivability
Nice video just I would really like if you put a short gameplay of the hero you are talking about.
For Kiriko I think that the dmg change was a big nurf overall as still the buff means 1 less bs for Cassidy and sym but cant 1shot tracer with hs punch and for 200hp it’s the same amount of shots overall yes it does more damage if u mix bs and hs but 1 hs and 2bs (kill 200hp) used 2 do 200 and now does 202.5 i rarther have a 1 shot on tracer than 2.5 damage increase with a mix 2 kill a normal character because if they didn’t die already that increase is so small with healing it won’t make any reasonable difference difference
Maybe I suddenly discovered the secret to ranking up, but this season I've been picking Kiriko in 90% of my games, and my win rate with her is absolutely insane. I went from being hard stuck Plat 5 in Season 5, to Diamond 3 and still climbing in Season 6. I think Kiriko is really good right now. Idk, maybe I'm just destined to be a Kiriko one trick. After all, I didn't pick Kiriko at all in Season 5.
As a high Plat / low diamond player. Doomfist is either really hard to play against or really easy. I guess that depends on the skill of the player but man sometimes dude will fly in get a kill in what feels like a second then fly right out...
This has been my highest Moira win rate season to date, helped get me back into Masters. Her flexibility with fade and orbs is so reliable
True. She is strong as hell in lower ranks, but you gotta be careful going against a group/ people with good aim. She does low but consistent damage, so someone hitting consistent shots can out damage her self heal.
They need to nerf her range
@@french_toast223 most character can attack farther than her. Plus remember that she does very low damage.
You are a menace to society
She's a solo queue stomper, and honestly really good in ranked play in my opinion if played right. Top Moira's know how to adapt their playstyle when the situation calls for it (yes that includes backline tiktok moira) Professional play tends to leave her as a lucio/moira brawl choice on some maps so she's definitely viable.
dunno if youre bothered but a nice little idea for the visual effect is if you put a red flame square around the hero you have a hot take on i.e. LW this video.
Good idea tbh
@@KarQ looking forward to your next hot take in the following season tierlist regardless.
saying “since brig bash got her stun back” is like saying “since soujorn’s rail pierces now”
Huh? Brig bash lost her stun in OW2 Season 1 (Oct 2022) and it got re-added on April 6 2023 (Season 4). Sojourn's rail has always pierced in her ult that has never changed
I've never played ranked but the way you make my mains sound difficult to play make me feel like I'm good
Seeing the Gauss curve form is so satisfying
Threw me off hearing Unfathomed Force right there at the start of the vid. Trails music always goes hard.
Is there any chance that we can get a video on each Null Sector Unit and their abilities? I would be forever thankful.
All supports are s tier in this game tbh, it's just a broken role compare to dps and tanks
Good list
So as a mercy main with her nerf i notice it does affect hitscans like Cassidy, soj, hanzo, and widow. I get way less value dmg boosting them and if its not working i usually always switch to ana or kiri (or bap depends on situation ofc) But with flyers like phara and echo it doesnt really affect them at all. But at the end of the day if i have any dps popping off and i dmg boost them even with the nerf they will dominate and 90% we will win especially if im able to out run divers and flankers. At this point i really love playing mercy because shes so fun and i love that type of support where really my only job is to LITERALLY SUPPORT MY TEAM i dont have to worry about hitting shots or even aiming my heals, idc if people see that as no skill(even tho there are a million ways i can prove mercy takes skill to master) she is my main and no matter the nerfs or teir she is at i will play her...but i think dmg boost may need a rework in the possible future lol😅😅
I would love to see you maybe watch over some console games for a bit and then give maybe like a console tier list cause because like the mechanic skill difference vs pc, if you ever have the time of course , great video as always ! Because as a diamon console player I am aware that if I played against pc diamond or masters I’d get destroyed
I have never said this before I love this tire list as you even talk about the tracer being different for different rank but I might put mercy higher than moira for the everyone else list as she is really strong with her rez and players don’t really target her first and for everyone else if you aren’t gm or t500 please follow the list on the left and stop looking at right also stop thinking that you are training or good enough to follow the gm list, if you can’t even climb with easier heroes what makes you think you can with harder heroes so be good at easier hero first
I always love watching this video as a zen main, I just sit and let the anticipation build
Love the list, just want to say that in my experience as a lucio kiriko dual main in silver I think lucio is kinda broken in lower ranks. I'm not the best with the character but unless I get 1tapped I just don't die with the changes to amp healing.
Yeah that's true a good lucio just doesn't die and if you have good movement you get insane value plus an op ultimate and decent damage. He's good in most comps and most maps.
Love the vids but your audio is kinda low lol
i would go lower on genji in t500, dmg boosted blade does exactly 200hp now and it feels really inconsistent at times when the enemy has aoe healing. and good healing pilon placement makes it very difficult to dive illari or anyone near it, especially when paired with a torb or a sym. (also the cyber demon and genos skins have bugs with them)
Bro torb sym illari has gotta be cancer
@@sebaschan-uwu it actually is, even a single turret is death for a diving genji
They didn't fully undo the Lucio nerf, they just made it so amped heals gives him the full healing amount. Basically so he can self-heal better in emergencies.
It used to be a 0% penalty in OW1 if i recall correctly. Season 1 OW2 patch says it was a 30% penalty which got nerfed to a 60% penalty. Now it's buffed to 0% so no penalty for the self heal. Seems like a full undo of the nerf and then some to me
@@KarQI just mean that only applies during amp. For non-amped trickle heals, it appears to be unchanged at 37.5% reduction to self heals. However, I now remember that self-heals were reduced in OW1 as well, so I get what you're saying.
I think thorn volley is better than even you said it was. I’m consistently getting 4-5k damage and 20 kills as LW
I was just wondering when it was going to be released 5 minutes before it was posted
Metal ranks player here, especially with Bastion's buffs, I've been forced to play Bastion so much - either to mirror an enemy Bastion or contest a dominating Orisa. My proudest moment was diffing a Bastion with a Mercy pocket while I didn't have one lmao
i don’t think he’s THAT powerful people need to learn how to work around him but that’s far more true about orisa as she can just ignore everyone and everything except another orisa.
i dont have a big say on hog however when i played him i popped off and the enemies were complaining. you can still 1 shot with hog but players have a tendency to fire as soon as possible after hook
bring mercy's triage healing back, it was so good and powerfull especially in lower ranks when dmg boosting people sometimes is useless because they can't aim
i dont think mercy healing MORE will me good for the game
quite the opposite tbh, mercy could have her healing cut in half and still be top tier due to her movement, dmg boost and revive being godlike skills
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Wow i have no idea they further buff doom slam, before you have to treat it like a genji dash, now you can actually use it to engage
ball feels so bad these days. every tank can do what he can but with so much less effort. so much cc, so many slows. look how they massacred my boy.
I think if they gave him cc immunity when his shield is active that would be good for him
cc/hack immunity when shield is active, and no body blocking when claw is attached to something.
@@d00mnoodle62cc immunity when he’s able to get 400 over health? ball is fine imo, he can’t farm bc his overhealth is so extreme and he can output consistent damage/runs
@@Very_Okay I'm surprised to see people say this. I see lots of balls in my games and he's absolutely oppressive. Impossible to kill and constantly harassing the backline. I'm genuinely not sure what to do against him.
@@clonkex he’s still strong, and i still love playing him. but in terms of actions per minute and efficiency it’s a lot.
to play around him - pay attention to if he has his shields. punish him if he doesn’t. counter dive his backline so he has to peel. i don’t want to say choose slows and stuns but there are a ton of heroes that hard counter ball.
the weird thing imo is that they nerf mercy to fix pharmercy and in the past mercy sojourn instead of nerfing pharah /sojourn where it actually mattered. (i still think sj it a bit too strong)
people dont realise how big the mercy nerf is. in the outside it looks like a 5% nerf but if u calcultate: 5/30 = 16.66 so its a 16.66% nerf and if u say oh ashe damage is nerf 16.66% and that would be a lot. and since the damage is less burstier = the enemy can survive better= ore chance to attack = more heal= less damage boost. it feels like a 10 or 15% nerf rather than 5% since u have to spend so much time healing now. 2k is the standard of dam amp but now im lucky to get 1.5k. i usually get 2k amp or even more like 2.5k before. and now i see lucio higher than mercy which should not be happening, well thx to that awful cooldown, using tech is like a gamble .
I think you’re math might be off can you explain?
@@thederpydazerthe nerf is 5%. but if u divide 5 by 30 times 100 then its 16.66~%. example someone deal 100 damage and they nerf 16 damage so they nerf it 16%. damage boost is a percentage so it confuses people when they nerf it. the nerf was 5% flat and now it is 16.66~% weaker than before. hope this helps.
@@thederpydazer u can check by go to ur calculator or in google which i used (16.66% times 30 then it is almost equal 5)
Recently, I notice how often I see LW in my game, and imo, it's impossible to play flankers against him (in unorganized team anyway), his healing is just too high to kill anything, and when someone is low on health, he just yoink them back, and his platform is a good tool to escape being dive.
As a ball main, my heart bleeds. The only character I used to enjoy playing no matter what is so bad now, that "no matter what" doesn't apply anymore. At least Hog doesn't feel lonely in his cold grave anymore.
I feel you my ball brother
Thanks god
How can you rate the bronze - masters tier list properly if you are in GM/T500 all the time?
Honestly, I was playing against Bastion just yesterday (I'm in bronze, so very low level of gameplay), I saw, that if you play someone like Torbjorn or Junkrat, i.e pretty small hitbox and high burst damage, you can walk up to a Bastion from behind or smth and then jump around him, so that he can't hit you. I did it a few times, it felt cool. But I guess that's just bronze...
I’m in diamond console and lifeweaver is really common for real , in my opinion he kind of just exists besides when you get a good tree ( in my humble experience)
Where can I find the good combos like Moira/Lucio support with Orisa? I don't play enough to know the combos.
I feel like the Hog is a wierd one. It may be weak at higher ranks due to his massiv hitbox, but then on the lower ranks and without an organised team his very hard to fight becouse of his massive healthpool and nearly-one-shot ability.
So what now?
Nerf him to Tartarus?
Below?
What u want?
@@zegolem3607 "What you want?" I wanted to point out my thoughts on Hog as it's the only hero I feel is facing this bizzare problem. I ain't no game dev and I don't know what do to about that.
Maybe it can be fixed via balancing, maybe it'd need a rework to do so. Plus, i don't expect devs to focus on low level players too much while balancing characters.
OW also isn't the only game I've seen a situation like that (the other being R6S) so I'm not exactly suprised that a character with an issue like this occured.
Or maybe I'm the only person who thinks that about our PiggyBoy, idk.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@blend302pl7 i get your point.
But at this point where hog stands , whoever makes him work deserves praise.
Im honestly shocked to how low and beyond they nerfed him repeatedly.
We need the rework that i can agree with you.
as a support main illari has been a breath of fresh air
this shi looks more like a dps
@@btrayed so does bap
probably because as a support main you are not used to play a dps like illari
@@user-sg2es3jo6i i’m m2 on dps lmao
as a winton main i am furious
idk about anyone else but sym has never felt worse, turret bombing isn’t really an option anymore unless the situation is perfect but you have to completely change the way you play her
I still play Hog a lot (Diamond 3) and people are forgetting how to play against him because he is so unpopular. He can run a lobby if unchecked. The only thing is as soon as they realize you're good, he becomes useless.
Lucio's self heal was trash for awhile he really needed that buff.
It’s still so stupid how Reinhardt has 600hp when in reality he should be at 650hp minimum maybe even 700hp
a team comp i want to try is ramattra, soldier, ashe, ana and mercy. i feel like it has a lot of versatility and an answer to almost any situation
Does sound pretty versatile. However on linear maps the Ana might get her head shot off whenever she tries to get a good nade in, and on less linear maps she's gonna get dived a lot because the rest of the team isn't very good at stomping on flank heroes. Still Ana mains are used to that.
I think this could work but I feel like it would ultimately fail to heavy dive/brawl comps. If the enemy team is running no strategy at all then this can work, but I feel like you'd have to make some swaps against certain comps because you would have nothing to deter dives except for one character and you would have nothing to brawl with except one character.
If you're facing dive, they can just run over the rest of the team. If you're facing brawl, they can just run over ram.
@@val26874 yea figured ana having no mobility and close up options can cause some problems
@@onepieceofbbq6357 what you’re saying sounds like the double edged sword of jack of all trades master of none. not excelling in anything can be exploited
also all the feedback and speculation is cool
Was playing a Silver ranked game on Damage and won a game we had no business winning. Got demolished playing S76 round one 2 elims 5 deaths but 7000 damage more than anyone else. Swapped to Bastion round 2 and we just rolled through the rest of the game. They kept making counter picks and still couldn't stop me
Nice!
How did you have 7000+ damage with only 2 kills????
@@ValidEarYTIt sounds like not confirming kills or just shooting shields.
Orisa really needs to be renerfed. She’s unbelievably not fun to play against if you play any other tank. I liked how she was in that she was tanky and servicable but not op like now
Hey the king of hot takes is back
Honestly as a Plat player whos played so many hours of weaver id say hes S you can counter orisa's ult pull ppl away from dva and doom dive put youre bastion and soldier on highground get ppl away from zarya sig reaper bap doom genji mei rein pharah and many more ults its actually crazy his ult charge is FAST like while healbotting is faster than any support that does the same thing
There are MULTIPLE cases were in the first teamfight im already at my ult his ult cam also act as a pseudo mei wall on certain areas like that door on meka base on the highground Theres was a time where i isolated an ulting rammatra from his team and we killed him and 4 PEOPLE couldnt break the tree Lifeweaver and finnally not to mention you can save stupid teammates from awful situations LW is 100% S tier in the Bronze to Plat maybe A+ in Diamond
funny how its literally stated in the changes the orb change was meant to make her more of a genetalist but you got tons of ppl remarking shes very much niche now
Genetalist
What's the soundtrack in this video? It's from Celeste? Or deltarune? I don't understand
It's from trails to azure ost specifically unfathomable force
I haven't seen where he has placed Reaper yet but I believe Winston is low for everyone else because Reaper thrives in the lower tiers so Winstons tend to struggle
The problem I find with widow even up to diamond is she doesn't bring enough value. She doesn't do a lot of damage and you don't really win fights or contest point with her ultimate compared to something like Bob. So she has to compensate by getting more kills and denying sightlines. But if you're not a threat/can't get enough kills she doesn't really deny sightlines. If you're contesting point on a last push and have ultimate, what the hell are you going to do with widows Infra-sight. It's gonna be borderline useless. You also need to babysit widow a bit more than other dps with her smaller healthpool and kinda bad mobility. She's gonna be good on junkertown and circuit royale like always but she's just bad on most maps.
I still really want them to buff junkerqueen
Even Illari is good against Ball (Her outburst cc + leap is a counter to all his engage tools and avoids minefield)
Her Pylon outheals his guns (and attacking the pylon first is NOT what you want as WB in such a do-or-die environment where everyone explodes you) and when she plays with a good co-support like bap she is NOT dying.
Her ultimate is a insta wipe against Ball’s non-shielded exposed team lol. She can even consistently get free headshot openings like every other hitscan while Ball poses no threat.
The issue with mercy is that she doesn’t really have a reason to be picked over other supports, she heals less than most, Zen has a better damage amp, she can’t defend her self while healing, and other supports have independent mobility
The only reason to pick her is to pocket which is boring
Finally someone said it about winton. Fully agree. In the right hands he is pretty much the best tank but for so many other players he’s so bad. Not a bad tank at all but gets put in bad hands too often
the thing with illari for 99% of players is where they lack in mechanics to maximize her value, they make up for in opponents lack of iq. you can just chuck ur ult into a group of ppl and a dva wont eat it because they kinda dont think to. plus, ppl have worse movement so its easier to hit fully charged shots. shes high A+ tier low S.
Although Yeatle has some good points about Ball having disadvantages. Chazm , arguably the best ball in the world. just did a challenge of unranked to gm withouht dying. Idk what that says about ball but I reach masters just 1 tricking Hammond.
Its not necessarily that ball desperately needs buffs but more that he just doesnt really work as a solo tank, the issues yeatle outlines is more of why its so overly frustrating to play ball and how easily countered he is, not that hes unplayable.
My main was Roadhog since basicslly the start but now he is unplayable. Who do I play?
I think Sombra would probably be in the same area as mcree tbh. She’s not technically awful, but given the current meta it can be difficult for her to kill anything. Illari and Bap means that your constantly having to try and hack or destroy deployables in order to even be useful in a team fight. Its honestly really fucking annoying. Especially if they also end up having Bastion and Oriya. Its rough out here for us.
Illari’s pylon is so boring because you have to destroy it to do any meaningful damage in a timely manner. i don’t want another “thing” i have to do before i start a fight. At least torbs turret is usually always visible where as Illari’s turret can be on the top of heaven behind an already annoying comp
Idk why they don't have the common sense to have deployables/trap's go away upon death Dev's have figured this out a decade ago.
But this party game don't want to reward you for killing the character doing the bs when the duel was already in their favor with the automatic shit up
As a hog main, i hate it when people pick Orisa and Ana after i go crazy with hog.
I just cant do much against them if they focus me. Hook someone? Slept or javalin. Healing? Anti nade or javalin. Trying to push a healer? Anti nade or javalin or stick twirling.
Its so annoying, lmao. Especially when people do it in QP because then I CANT HAVE FUN. They tbag in qp too after i forced them to force counter me.
So tired of Moira not having the utility we were promised. She’s not as viable as past seasons. She needs a positive shakeup that doesn’t change her current kit
chazm is still balling even in the low tier
To be completely honest, I don't think hog is nearly as useless as everyone is saying. I don't think he's particularly good but he's definitely usable. My buddy has been almost exclusively maining him and he's been doing pretty good. He definitely needs something but he isn't the worst hero in the game at the moment.