couldn’t be further from the truth. Peach in Melee doesn’t have to play fucking finger Twister in order to do basic tech like DJC. Ultimate just took out all of the cool stuff from Brawl and Melee, but made shit like buffered full hop aerials and DJC aerials a hassle just to input. Ultimate really dropped the ball on movement in general, but the sheer existence of things like this or IDJ aerials should tell you what a train wreck basic options have become.
@@dumithegreat3892 that's a super negative way to view it especially when Ultimate is more user friendly than Melee. You're saying movement but really you mean tech skill
Take a shot every time JCFF is said in this video. Real talk though, I just stumbled upon this video and I’ve been struggling with some peach tech and combos and this guide is super helpful. Thanks so much!
Her floating ability is actually really dangerous . You can use it at any point during a jump or a fall to psych out an opponent , combo , and recover . Another thing I noticed is that her side + air when she hits with her crown let’s her drop faster . Love that she’s good at fighting in the air I would have never expected that 😂
this video finally pushed me over the edge to start labbing for an hour a day and now my JCFFs are super consistent! thanks for them most thorough Peach tutorial i've ever seen!
Trying to re-learn some of these stuff but really finding the short hop fast fall from a dash really difficult to perform, hopefully I can get used to it especially with using a shoulder button
Best vid on this tech that I’ve seen yet. I’ve been playing peach for a min now and I’m pretty good w her but this tech is the one thing holding me back from being really good w her! Idk why I have just had a really hard time getting this down
Amazing video! One of my favourite applications of JCFF that you didn't mention is when the opponent is in disadvantage above you. You can bait them into airdodging by jumping up as if you're trying to hit them on the way down, then JCFF to fall back to the ground and punish while they're in lag or when they land.
oh my god i play daisy, and THAT SHIELD PRESSURE the people i play are already aftaid to drop shield because fcnair and fcbair are so safe and start combos, but now i can break them?!?? you are an incredibly informed player and im sharing this with my one paisy main friend :>
Best vidéo thank you to explain this Moove. (Unfortunately I don't understand all your words because im french but i will try to study all the vidéo as i can, thx!) In another vidéo, Can you explain how to do true combo with Peach's FCGT?
FCGT? My last video was a combo guide if you have seen that. If you are wondering how to add JCFF to combos, replace any ground-float Neutral air's or ground-float up airs with JCFF aerials. For instance, you could combo GF Nair -> Dtilt -> GF Nair -> Dash attack, or you could do JCFF Nair -> Dtilt -> JCFF Nair -> Dash attack.
Hi! This is actually amazing! I’m a Peach Main but i always had struggle with this surreal technique! i have a question, what controller do you use? Is there a specific controller that can help this technique or a controller that makes every move faster as in the video?
You can do it on any controller. It's all about timing. I used to prefer joycons because I could do it by moving the control stick a shorter distance, but those started to drift so I use a pro controller now. It's really about timing and practice though.
I've been playing Peach for a few weeks and I don't know what I did but the entire screen went to a backdrop of flowers and then there were giant peaches on the ground. There was 1 opponent left when this happened, hanging on a ledge. How do you do this?
@@Ralts1 I’ve been trying to do it for months but then gave up and now I’m trying again 😼 hopefully I can improve because I feel like I’ve just been at the same level of gameplay for so long now
So I've decided I want to main daisy. And the amount of patience needed to learn this character is tough but I'm trying. Your video has been really helpful, but I have a question about just starting off this tech. I wanted an indicator to know if I'm doing it right, so I did as you said and used the platform to give a visual if I'm performing it correctly. I can get daisy on top of the platform with the star indicator as well without falling through the platform just as you did, 2 or 3 times in a row even., but after watching you do it 9 times In a row so fast off the platform, I feel like I'm still too slow in comparison to you when I get off platforms. Is my timing still off? I'm not sure if I'm doing it right yet. I noticed an animation of daisy holding her arms to the side as she's rising up but when you do a few of them in a row, it's so fast, I can barely see that animation at all.
If anyone can help me out I don’t quite get it yet the only way I know how to do it is jump then flick down on the left stick to stop and the height desired then flick down a second time while letting go of float to fast fall. Is there a more consistent way of doing it or I’m doing it right ?
Thanks! JCFF aerials are easier to space than ground float aerials. Moving JCFF pretty much takes you a fixed distance, while the distance you travel with ground float is highly variable depending on your input.
In order for it to count as SHJCFF do you have to jump using 2 jump buttons simultaneously? I can do this in neutral but find that hard to string moves like SHJCFF with trunip drops and to continuosly catch etc. Easy to do using 1 jump button but when it comes to 2 it's hard to get the fall correctly
I tried this in training mode and couldn't get it. (SHJCFF with one button). I actually don't know if it's possible because of how fast you have to release jump to get a single button short hop. You could just be getting a really fast full-hop JCFF, or I could be wrong. During SHJCFF you should barely leave the ground. I think you are referring to turnip loops with your other comment here. My latest video covers a different technique that is easier and avoids the SHJCFF tech, because it is very difficult I agree.
Hello, thanks for your video ! i don't know if it's because my english is not that great but i basically don't get the basic input, in your video the input shown on the left along with the video look like a basic fast fall for me, do you have to press X to jump then press X again and flick the left stick down within the 2 frames after pressing X ? Thanks in advance
This is not a "standard" fastfall, as it is done while you are still holding jump. X only needs to be pressed once. So HOLD X to jump, flick the left stick down, and let go of X two frames later.
Sorry for the late response, but I have an answer for this. The dashing JCFF takes a lot longer, and can’t be used to combo. I don’t think I’ve ever used it before, and I’m questioning right now why I even included it in the video. Moving JCFF without the dash is better in every single way. DJCFF gives you way more mobility. Due to the way double jumps work in this game, adding in the second jump let’s you instantly shift Peach’s momentum with the JCFF. You could be running one way, and DJCFF the opposite direction. It also gives you more distance.
SHCFF Should be obvious when you do it correctly. Peach should barely leave the ground and you should get a fast fall star. Don't confuse it with a ground-float fast-fall, which requires flicking down on the control stick twice.
That is absolutely true! Many low tiers and mid tiers also have similar combo games to Peach, and some have even better combo trees. The reason Peach is S tier involves having the most aerial movement options in the game.
Alright so that's a bit complicated. I don't actually know. 100% it is going to be harder because of online, but you can get it consistent absolutely. If you go back to offline, it might feel different, and you might have to relearn the timing a bit.
@@elishafayzulayev7932 If you join the peach discord smashcords.com/ , there's a channel called Toad's Tech Support which allows for just that sort of thing. I lurk in there, as well as many other people familiar with Peach tech.
I pretty much can do the jcff but can’t do moving jcff I just learned stationary jcff maybe a month ago but I practice other characters too. But now I’m going to put all my focus on paisy
@@Ralts1 Yea this was a great tutorial but I’m still very confused about the combos, the Jcff, everything. I mean I did just start playing so I’m trying to practice a lot but it isn’t going well.. 😭😭
@@sokahellIf you JUST started playing ultimate, and it's your first smash game, play whoever you want! Honestly just enjoy yourself until you get the hang of how the game works. These videos (especially this JCFF one) are meant for more someone looking into more competitive play. Concepts like "neutral," for instance, might not make a lot of sense until you get a handle on the game. Don't get too wrapped up in practicing everything in training mode when you first pick up the game.
Peach is playing Melee and every other character is playing Ultimate. Great video, gonna be in the lab for days now :d
Best of luck!
you haven't seen rosa tech yet
couldn’t be further from the truth. Peach in Melee doesn’t have to play fucking finger Twister in order to do basic tech like DJC. Ultimate just took out all of the cool stuff from Brawl and Melee, but made shit like buffered full hop aerials and DJC aerials a hassle just to input. Ultimate really dropped the ball on movement in general, but the sheer existence of things like this or IDJ aerials should tell you what a train wreck basic options have become.
@@dumithegreat3892 that's a super negative way to view it especially when Ultimate is more user friendly than Melee. You're saying movement but really you mean tech skill
@@mayonaise146 true
the year is 20XX. everyone now plays peach at TAS levels of perfection.
The best peach guide ever
Thanks for the feedback! Glad you enjoyed it!
I just found your channel and every video sounds like every peach guide I've always been looking for excited to watch more
Such a great video and honestly you explained it so perfect! Cant wait to see more videos
One of the best advanced Peach tutorials I’ve watched. Very well explained!
Take a shot every time JCFF is said in this video.
Real talk though, I just stumbled upon this video and I’ve been struggling with some peach tech and combos and this guide is super helpful. Thanks so much!
Her floating ability is actually really dangerous . You can use it at any point during a jump or a fall to psych out an opponent , combo , and recover . Another thing I noticed is that her side + air when she hits with her crown let’s her drop faster . Love that she’s good at fighting in the air I would have never expected that 😂
Exactly what I needed! Thank you!
this video finally pushed me over the edge to start labbing for an hour a day and now my JCFFs are super consistent! thanks for them most thorough Peach tutorial i've ever seen!
That's a lot of commitment! Glad you are seeing results.
@@Ralts1I did 10 mns and I can jcff but I'm wondering if really I'm not just dastfalling
Awesome! Can't wait to watch this 👌🏻
Thanks for sharing these videos on twitter! I don't have an account, so I appreciate the exposure.
Great video! Been waiting for this
Yeah I kept referencing JCFF in all my other vids. I should have put it sooner.
this is incredibly useful, thank you!
Trying to re-learn some of these stuff but really finding the short hop fast fall from a dash really difficult to perform, hopefully I can get used to it especially with using a shoulder button
Best vid on this tech that I’ve seen yet. I’ve been playing peach for a min now and I’m pretty good w her but this tech is the one thing holding me back from being really good w her! Idk why I have just had a really hard time getting this down
me 2
yeees awesome informative vid. defo gotta practice jcff because i’ve been doing it wrong this whole time lmao
Just make sure you are only flicking down once and you are getting the fast fall star. Lmk if you have any questions about the tech.
Thanks for all the peach content :) 🍑
yw! Hope it helps!
Just picked up peach n is getting use to her movement, this’ll get me to elite in no time 😈🤝
Amazing video! One of my favourite applications of JCFF that you didn't mention is when the opponent is in disadvantage above you. You can bait them into airdodging by jumping up as if you're trying to hit them on the way down, then JCFF to fall back to the ground and punish while they're in lag or when they land.
Oh yeah I love doing that. I tried to do it with the gdorf at 10:16. JCFF baits are great stuff!
fun thing i learned, you can do a jump cancel instadrop if you have the spirit equipped, as it replaces fastfall when it’s equipped.
This feels like physics all over again
i've been using this tech since smash4 and i've seen almost no guides on it and i'm happy to finnaly see one and I use jcff fair a lot for some reason
JCFF FAIR IS MY BEST FRIEND
good guide !
oh my god i play daisy, and
THAT SHIELD PRESSURE
the people i play are already aftaid to drop shield because fcnair and fcbair are so safe and start combos, but now i can break them?!?? you are an incredibly informed player and im sharing this with my one paisy main friend :>
Thanks man!
you are literally the most underrated yter omg, your content is so good
im a melee peach main and this is just perfect
Thank you
Been playing peach for a while and decided maby I should learn her. Fingers have hurt for the past 2 days.
Soon to be a converted (from ness) main, why do you have so little subs, these vids are amazing
Thanks for the feedback. Congrats on the switch from Ness :)
I've spent so much time practicing this... It doesn't feel like I'm getting it any time soon lol
These Peach combo names looking like they going Super Saiyan out here.
Huh I've been doing shjcff without knowing what it is. I mainly just use it as a better empty hop grab.
This really helped me so much 👀
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Best vidéo thank you to explain this Moove. (Unfortunately I don't understand all your words because im french but i will try to study all the vidéo as i can, thx!)
In another vidéo, Can you explain how to do true combo with Peach's FCGT?
FCGT? My last video was a combo guide if you have seen that.
If you are wondering how to add JCFF to combos, replace any ground-float Neutral air's or ground-float up airs with JCFF aerials. For instance, you could combo GF Nair -> Dtilt -> GF Nair -> Dash attack, or you could do JCFF Nair -> Dtilt -> JCFF Nair -> Dash attack.
Hi! This is actually amazing! I’m a Peach Main but i always had struggle with this surreal technique! i have a question, what controller do you use? Is there a specific controller that can help this technique or a controller that makes every move faster as in the video?
You can do it on any controller. It's all about timing. I used to prefer joycons because I could do it by moving the control stick a shorter distance, but those started to drift so I use a pro controller now. It's really about timing and practice though.
@@Ralts1 Got it! Thank you so much😘
Me with my hit box controller for melee
I've been playing Peach for a few weeks and I don't know what I did but the entire screen went to a backdrop of flowers and then there were giant peaches on the ground. There was 1 opponent left when this happened, hanging on a ledge. How do you do this?
The flash would be an amazing peach main
I’m was binging your videos and now I’m trying it out on my switch AND I CANT DO IT I CANT DO IT I CANT DO IT
It's going to take more than a few tries to get it! JCFF took me many months to get consistent, so don't worry so much.
@@Ralts1 I’ve been trying to do it for months but then gave up and now I’m trying again 😼 hopefully I can improve because I feel like I’ve just been at the same level of gameplay for so long now
@@henrysmithpham4587 keep trying did u get better with the tech?
So I've decided I want to main daisy. And the amount of patience needed to learn this character is tough but I'm trying.
Your video has been really helpful, but I have a question about just starting off this tech.
I wanted an indicator to know if I'm doing it right, so I did as you said and used the platform to give a visual if I'm performing it correctly. I can get daisy on top of the platform with the star indicator as well without falling through the platform just as you did, 2 or 3 times in a row even., but after watching you do it 9 times In a row so fast off the platform, I feel like I'm still too slow in comparison to you when I get off platforms.
Is my timing still off? I'm not sure if I'm doing it right yet.
I noticed an animation of daisy holding her arms to the side as she's rising up but when you do a few of them in a row, it's so fast, I can barely see that animation at all.
How it going? You still sticking with daisy?
This man really playing melee
Yo wtf I can start my 0- to death turnip combos from shield frame 4 with this.
Good stuff! I should have mentioned that in the video.
@@Ralts1 No you shouldn't. That is going to get nerfed on frame 1.
The part where it got really hard for me was the z drop from short hop
This is why I play Hero 😎
How did you train for this? I can do it AFTER a double jump consistently, but not anytime other than that
If anyone can help me out I don’t quite get it yet the only way I know how to do it is jump then flick down on the left stick to stop and the height desired then flick down a second time while letting go of float to fast fall. Is there a more consistent way of doing it or I’m doing it right ?
how does jcff autospace for you?
Also great video I aprechiate you showing peach tech.
Thanks!
JCFF aerials are easier to space than ground float aerials. Moving JCFF pretty much takes you a fixed distance, while the distance you travel with ground float is highly variable depending on your input.
In order for it to count as SHJCFF do you have to jump using 2 jump buttons simultaneously? I can do this in neutral but find that hard to string moves like SHJCFF with trunip drops and to continuosly catch etc. Easy to do using 1 jump button but when it comes to 2 it's hard to get the fall correctly
I tried this in training mode and couldn't get it. (SHJCFF with one button). I actually don't know if it's possible because of how fast you have to release jump to get a single button short hop. You could just be getting a really fast full-hop JCFF, or I could be wrong. During SHJCFF you should barely leave the ground.
I think you are referring to turnip loops with your other comment here. My latest video covers a different technique that is easier and avoids the SHJCFF tech, because it is very difficult I agree.
Hello, thanks for your video ! i don't know if it's because my english is not that great but i basically don't get the basic input, in your video the input shown on the left along with the video look like a basic fast fall for me, do you have to press X to jump then press X again and flick the left stick down within the 2 frames after pressing X ?
Thanks in advance
This is not a "standard" fastfall, as it is done while you are still holding jump. X only needs to be pressed once. So HOLD X to jump, flick the left stick down, and let go of X two frames later.
@@Ralts1 Oh thanks i got it now, gotta take a lot of training !
How are the applications of moving jcff different than dashing jcff? And for djcff and regular jcff?
Sorry for the late response, but I have an answer for this.
The dashing JCFF takes a lot longer, and can’t be used to combo. I don’t think I’ve ever used it before, and I’m questioning right now why I even included it in the video. Moving JCFF without the dash is better in every single way.
DJCFF gives you way more mobility. Due to the way double jumps work in this game, adding in the second jump let’s you instantly shift Peach’s momentum with the JCFF. You could be running one way, and DJCFF the opposite direction. It also gives you more distance.
My friend knows I wanna get better with this character and he sensed me it and now I’m back
What is the difference about a normal fast fall und jcff?
I actually gave that tech yo dandyman, im Soul
All the stars look pink even when i do s regular fast fall . I cant tell if im doing it fight or niot
Yoooo peach can platform drop. She playin melee
What if I use tap jump exclusively?
Should I learn to hold jump every time I jump just incase I need to jcff?
Yeah that's a good habit to hang onto jump a little bit longer in case you want to cancel it after the fact. Especially for double jumps.
@@Ralts1 so i guess i should get used to using two button jumps for short hops?
@@DarkHunterXYZ I personally do, but you only have to use two jump buttons if you want to SHJCFF. For normal short-hops, one button works fine.
When I do it it just feels like a normal fast fall, any tips?
tap jump is how i do djcff and it's realy good against new players too i've won so many matches in ultimate because of it
Works on high level players too. It's a mixup that's fast enough so that the opponent can't react. Good stuff.
Is it easier using L or R as jump button for this?
Literally a switch flipped and I went from not hitting any to 9 put of ten
I've been doing this 3 days straight and still can't do it...
do you offer coaching ? I want to learn peach as a secondary..need help to get me started lmk
Learning peach is fun I’m pretty decent with her but I’m trying to learn the advanced tech got jcff down and some combos so far plus a turnip combo
So it's just a more complicated version of what she does in melee
So how do you know when you got the SHJCFF when you get the sparks?
SHCFF Should be obvious when you do it correctly. Peach should barely leave the ground and you should get a fast fall star. Don't confuse it with a ground-float fast-fall, which requires flicking down on the control stick twice.
when you say ground float aerials, you mean fc aerials right?
Ground float (or gf) aerials = Float cancel aerials, exactly!
I dont think my brain big enough for this
It’s literally just two inputs with tricky timing! You can do it!
Same I found this confusing. I'm barely able to do the standard neutral Jcff. Think I'll look at Dark Peach vids.
@@josecantu8195 dark peach doesn’t know how to jcff consistently 😂
I was fighting peach and I lost and I didnt get her will they later give me a chance to fight her again pls answer I want peach so bad
yea lol, just go to tools and select the door icon
Basically using float to let you fastfall early?
Yeah, you just get the ability to immediately fast-fall whenever you are in the air
I feel like movement is almost an even bigger reason why peach is s tier than her combo game
That is absolutely true! Many low tiers and mid tiers also have similar combo games to Peach, and some have even better combo trees. The reason Peach is S tier involves having the most aerial movement options in the game.
Her movement with jcff is insane
I now have arthritis
What’s your Controls for Paisy?
I have them detailed in this video: ruclips.net/video/Tq6F2KyV6N8/видео.html
Thanks!
can you pull this off online and is it consistant online ?
Alright so that's a bit complicated. I don't actually know. 100% it is going to be harder because of online, but you can get it consistent absolutely. If you go back to offline, it might feel different, and you might have to relearn the timing a bit.
Yoooo WOWWW
Watched this like 3 times since.
This was so confusing for a rookie lol
I don’t understand what “frames” mean. 😢
60 frames is one second
Was this nerfed or something I can’t do I tried it for 2 days
This is still a mechanic with float. Nothing has changed since brawl.
@@Ralts1 hmm do you think u can tell me what I’m doing wrong if I show you a video of my trying, because I really want to learn this.
@@elishafayzulayev7932 If you join the peach discord smashcords.com/ , there's a channel called Toad's Tech Support which allows for just that sort of thing. I lurk in there, as well as many other people familiar with Peach tech.
Have anyone actually gotten really consistent with this? Like easily navigate the stage without much thought.
I pretty much can do the jcff but can’t do moving jcff I just learned stationary jcff maybe a month ago but I practice other characters too. But now I’m going to put all my focus on paisy
Update I’ve mastered jcff it’s easy you just have to keep practicing
I like the video but I’m still confused about how your so fast and I’m just lost on a lot of the things you told me :(
If you could be a bit more specific I could clarify things for you :)
Ralts_1, that would be so nice! I’d really appreciate it! Imma subscribe real quick-
@@Ralts1 Yea this was a great tutorial but I’m still very confused about the combos, the Jcff, everything. I mean I did just start playing so I’m trying to practice a lot but it isn’t going well.. 😭😭
@@sokahellIf you JUST started playing ultimate, and it's your first smash game, play whoever you want! Honestly just enjoy yourself until you get the hang of how the game works. These videos (especially this JCFF one) are meant for more someone looking into more competitive play. Concepts like "neutral," for instance, might not make a lot of sense until you get a handle on the game.
Don't get too wrapped up in practicing everything in training mode when you first pick up the game.
@@Ralts1 yea maybe your right lol. I’ll try getting better with Peach when I get better at the game first 😭 Thanks!! ✨👍
peach mains when they say they have a great gf
this is impossible i get the pink star but can not get the fast fall!!!!!?????!????!?!??!???!?!?!?!??!???!?!?!?
Still can’t get it
It’s a tricky input. If you have more specific questions about it, I can answer them.
Wavedashing lol😂😂😂
I CANT DO IT IM GOING FUCKING CRAZY SOMEBODY HELP ME PLEASE
Ay good luck my friend
my jcffs srent jcffing, they are too long
Alright but this time explain like I’m 5
GSP 3.5M gonna need some basic tips here
you what
how the F@1! does this video have only 144 like,also very low views?
Thx for stopping by :)
@@Ralts1 thanks for your great guide,it helped me a lot with my peach trainning.
I’m getting so annoyed
Why you gotta word it so complicated lol you just tilt up the hold down