HOW TO GET A REAL SAMBA FEEL
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2023
- Hi friends! in this video I am talking about getting an authentic samba feel. This groove is one of the most misunderstood and wrongly executed. So I have a whole method on my lessons site about this. Called The REAL SAMBA FEEL. This video will be like an introduction to the method. Enjoy
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Man, for so many years I’ve thought this feel was something you’re just “born” into, and if you’re not immersed in it from such a young age; forget it. I can’t believe you’ve actually found a technical and relatable way to explain and approach it. Why in so many years of study have I never heard anyone discussing samba in 6/8 before?! This is wonderful. Thanks, Phill. Great job!
Thx Mikey! Its probably because there is a total lack of accountability among people clouding information with lies and mediocrity in drumming pedagogy. It takes so much time to find info because we are flooded with jive people who only think about their ego and making money off what they have no idea about. Its astounding and i feel your frustration believe me. Thx for writing! Many greetings!.
My body wants to move to this, so I think is a success. :)
It reminds me of favourite Purdie quote: "If you don't feel like dancing to your own drumming, there's a chance that others won't, too".
Ahhhhh yes that's a good one. Love me some Purdie! Thanks for writing bro :-)
I don't really have any words!!?! 😳🤯😳 I've been playing for 30+ years, studied for quite a few (imo really good) teachers, worked as a teacher myself for some 20 years and N-E-V-E-R heard anyone mention the 6/8 approach!! It's so obvious when you hear and think of it like that! Me and one of my students tried it out first time today and after 2 min of this mindset we couldn't believe our ears! Me and my (future) students are all forever thankful for you sharing and making this video! //Best wishes from Sweden!
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Precis. Blir en nystart på detta nästa vecka
Its so interesting how when he plays at slower tempos it doesn't sound even close until the right one where it just clicks in and sounds amazing
Rhythm is a beautiful thing yes? :-)
73, "pro" drummer: best explanation of samba ever. you made my day.
Thank you Frank! Many greetings from South America
I ain't gonna lie, I'm already groovin' my hips as I'm movin'my head to the Samba beat when played in normal Tempo.
I, like many others, can't thank you enough of breaking down how Samba, especially coming from Maracatú, is taught the proper way, especially the Escolas dos Sambas all over Brazil.
Holy smokes! Thank you for breaking it in ultimate clarity and detail, Phil.
You are welcome Juan! All the best!
This is the first time I got this. Well explained.
That actually sounded genuine!
That is an interesting approach. It is also possible to understand and achieve the Brazilian feel by thinking in 4/4 and playing 16th notes on the ganza (metal can with beads or sand in it=shaker) and transposing the swing and accents of the shaker to the other instruments. This are many types of samba where say the Caixa or pandeiro are explicitly playing 4 subdivisions of a 1/4 note pulse with a swing and accents that mirror the ganza’s natural feel-a ganza will get you there, too
Finally a good video on how to get that special feel. Thanks Phil, your video made a real difference in my drumming life!
I appreciate that very much friend. Hope you are well and looking forward to hearing you play this stuff. Its a great joy! 🙂
Hey, Phil!
Great content man!
I’m Brazilian and I gotta confess that I was a bit skeptical when I saw you teaching it in 6/8, but it does sound like “the thing 🤌” haha. Congrats to you for finding this way of teaching.
I just wanted to add one thing to this whole lesson about the samba feel, which is that, this pattern that you’ve played on the snare (the one in 6/8 with the diddle) is viewed by us Brazilians as a sub genre of Samba that we call “Maracatu”. If you look up this kind of music, you’ll see that it sounds exactly like what you’ve played.
So yeah, that’s a great way of achieving the samba feel, but it’s also a whole new genre.
Thanks for the content man!!
Hi Pedro! Obrigado bro! haha.
Yes this exercise. Its actually been around for decades. We developed it at PIT when i was on staff many many years ago haha. This is for westernized players to come out of the USA false Samba feel. We ran it by many Brazilian players too and they all loved it. So its not about the pattern its about learning to tie the USA feel into a more authentic feel. It seems so many people get caught up in the patterns of drumming. Its a common syndrome. I taught the entire latin program at PIT for 12 years including the Brazilian side and at Drummers Collective also as well as in Europe so the whole thing has been a very big issue for many players from these areas. Super frustrating for them not to able to achieve a proper feel. The diddles you mention are just one part of this exercise and get moved around in many different ways in my full method. Thank you for writing bratha and I hope to hear you play very soon! Very big hugs from Vietnam at the moment!
EXCELENTEEE!!!! Por fin alguien explica el verdadero groove de Brasil !!
Gracia Fer! Abrazo grande!
Yes Man, lot of time I’ve spend looking for proper and decent explanation. Finally found one. Beautiful thanx a lot.
That’s the best explanation I have heard of how you play this rhythm. 👍🏻
Just fantastic Pil! Thanks! And like you say... The real feel. This gives hoop for my exploring of stuff I was not born into.. So authentic man!! Incredible!🙂 And never saw those in 6/8 before by the way man!!!
This is amazing. 🔥🔥🔥
Wow you are such an amazing educator Phil! This is so helpful.
Thank you bratha :-)
beautiful, it captures the essence!
This is soo good ! We were taught using 16ths, but I had a gut feeling for years something was missing. You nailed it ! Thank you soo much.
Thank you my friend! Glad you enjoyed it. Yes....There is so much misinformation out there that drummers suffer from not getting what is needed to enjoy our craft the proper way. Many greetings and thanks for writing!
If you truly want to understand the feel, it's so important to learn (or learn of!) the original instruments where these rhythms came from! The rhythm-keeping instruments of samba (tamborim, pandeiro, and chocalho) naturally gain these patterns when you play them with proper form. As a drummer, you're trying to replicate rhythms that arose naturally from how those instruments are played. I recommend picking up a tamborim and learning the technique from Thalita Santos' series.
(For the record, I am Canadian and I just started learning samba about 5 months ago. However I played jazz drums for over 10 years while completely ignorant of the origins of styles I loved like bossa nova, funk, and jazz fusion. I feel like I've become a way better musician in the past year because I've started studying the "source material" for these styles, rather than just learning from sheet music or tutorial videos like these. No offense to Phil here, although I do wish he at least mentioned some more of what REALLY gives this music its feel. That is to say, dancing while playing a single drum or shaker.)
I NEVER would have suspected this was the real translation of this feel. Awesome! Can't thank you enough!
You're very welcome!
Thank you very much for breaking this down that cleared all the confusion.
You're very welcome!
Nice!! 8:39 Wilson das Neves drum Style 9:09 Samba Enredo Style 🇧🇷
Alleluia this is THE video I was looking for!! How to change my occidental samba groove into a brasilian one! Thanks for the clear explanation!
You are very welcome friend:-) Peace
Good one Phil. I have to say, this is harder than it looks. The 6/8 thru me.
Hi Eddie! Thx for writing. Yes it can be a bit of a mind bender at first but its really nice when it comes out :-)
Tough stuff! Thanks Phil🙏🥁
thx Ed! Takes a bit of work to acquire but really worth it because of the joy it brings to play that music
So well explained and demonstrated!!
Thank you buddy :)
5:00 i think the word we were looking for is "wicked' ✨
Heheeee Yes also!
Awesome thank you
This is Brilliant Phil... Great work!
Thank you friend :-)
Hey, Phil, thank you enormously for this. I am so glad that I found this only on my fourth month as a drum beginner. As per the comments here, I seem to have spared myself long years of confusion and frustration! See, so far I have been trying to learn samba over a bass drum obstinato in 4 x 4 divided in 16th notes, with kicks on the 1 and e, and hihat on the &. But I like the feel I get with your 6/8 much more! True malandragem. Subscribed!
hi bro! Yes i am glad you found this too. There are so many jive turkeys out there showing absolutely wrong information its astounding. The time wasters are abundant and to find real info saves you years. Exactly like you say. Well....welcome to drumming and hope to hear you play very soon. Many greetings from Malaysia :-)
wow ! the best thing I saw in the last months ( and I saw very much )
Thank you bro. It's amazing how much bad information on drumming there is in the youtube world. This groove has been slaughtered by so many people haha. I am happy to have you here and hey sei Italiano?
wow, thank you! very helpful
u got it bro! ;-)
So great!!!
Thank you Nitai! :-)
Excellent video, absolutely beautiful explanation👌👌👌
Thank you bratha! Many greetings from LA🙂
so good, my students and i love this :)
thank you friend🙂
You are the Messi of Rhythm! Thanks!
Hahaaa. Thats quite an honor my friend! Many greetings to you!
Dude this stuff is Gold
Thank you broooo :-)
I never realized it's a sped-up 6/8 + diddle. That is AWESOME!
Hi Devon! Yeah rhythm is amazing. The effects that speed have on things is astonishing. I gotta figure out a way to do a full video on these things
This is so incredibly helpful! Thanks so much. !!!09:25!!!! More Cowbell!
I am very happy you liked it Stephan! Many greetings from Vietnam!
Beautiful Phil... Bravo!
Thank you brooo!
Simply excellent 👌🏽
Thank you bro! Many greetings to you :-)
Ahora sí dan ganas de bailar! Genial
jejeje. La musica en Brasil...es estupeenndooo otro mundo!
É bem mais simples do que você pensa .
At first samba is played in 2/4 .
Sugestion :
Place a mirror in front of you . When you start smile playing samba you're really playing samba .
Very interesting. I agree, most Estadounidenses or European drummers play a pitiful samba.
I had heard something like that (beginning ternary) by a guy explaining the feel on the caixa.
Playing R LRL R LRL in 6/8 and then you equalize a little to get to a strange binary RLRLRLRL.
One of my former students lives in Brazil and told me to learn the pandeiro. This thing is tough.
The tamborim is easier. But I prefer Cuban music, and I work on my Spanish to get the lyrics.
Portuguese, it will be in another lifetime. Thanks for this excellent lesson, you sound real !
thx for writing in bro. All the best :-)
Holy Cow you were just ripping at the end there….made me feel like I was listening to the Carnival Drummers in Rio. Thanks for simplifying a complex groove. Respect from Fiji bro 🇫🇯👍🤙😎🤘👊
Thank you friend! Fiji!! Would love to go there!
@@philmaturanodrums We’d love to have you come and run some clinics, well just come for a holiday and check out the islands first😂👍😎
@@noworriesimfijian Man it would be a dream! I am in Vietnam right now. Its all possible :-)
@@philmaturanodrums 👍😎anytime bro.
@@noworriesimfijian We need to figure out how to organize it. In Octobre I'll be in Malta. So before then would be awesome!
Great lesseon 🎉
Danke Rapha! 🙂
Hi Phil, Great video, I really enjoyed it! Did you teach at Drumtech London? I studied there under Francis,Paul Elliott, Gary and Brian between 95-99. I think that was before your time there.
Hi bratha. I did actually. Did several clinics there. Even one with Pete Lockett many moons ago haha
Accents in the last quarter note on the bass drum ( sincopation ) .
That's the feel! Thank you so much. I didn't think It was actually possible too hear someones hips moving. L o l
Hahaha. Yeah this groove man...when you hear it out there in Brazil with 100 cats playing...OMG! Insane!
Thank You Phil, very fine 4 me. I understood and bookmarked this lesson 4 later viewing.
Right on bratha Tommy! All the best
Holy Moly!!! THIS DOES sound just like the authentic samba music I have heard! I have to wonder though if we were to get this 6/8 based feel down really well and played in on AMERICAN jazz gigs when a "Samba" tune is called that perhaps the other (unenlightened jazzers) musicians would hear the drumming feel as "wrong" because it is not straight 16th note based like most us American drummers were taught to play samba! Thoughts? Thanks very much!
Hello. I have your book that you referred to and video. I am having trouble with this concept that the hihat is played on 2 and 5 and relating that back to 4/4 time or 2/2 time where it would be on "ANDS". Or do I have this exercise too literal and that it is more so to get the sound 1e+ah the 'e+' closer together which makes more sense to me.
Hi Scoop thanks for writing! Great question! The way to approach this is to think of it like ear training. To break out of the binary feels it is very helpful to be able to "hear" the other side (ternary side) with the patterns morphed in an applicable way. So your next step is to just keep doing the exercises especially the 6/8 work in the beginning of the book. This will insure that the vocabulary and feel of 6/8 will be embedded in your system. Then when you go back to listen to the music your ears will have changed. Letting you absorb the grooves patterns and vocabulary in a natural way. Many greetings and please don't hesitate to write if I can help further. Many greetings!
Best explanation EVER
Thank you bratha Viktor
@@philmaturanodrums my only suggestion would be to say "put 2 against 3 into both groups of three eighth notes" rather than diddle, because that's exactly what happens at higher tempo
@@mentalitydesignvideo Hi Victor! Too wordy for me. I like to keep it simple when these complex things are happening. Thanks for writing! Many hugs from South America
Very nice…. So the diddles on counts 2 an 5 are more compressed than evenly sub divided 16ths?
Hi Chris! It doesn't matter really because once you speed things up they get wider as you see here. I compressed them at slow tempos for the sake of showing the concept. But you can play them as written at slow tempos also. Many thanks for writing in 🙂
I wish you could have played it to some music. I have never heard this feel on the samba recordings i listen to. Can you list some songs to hear this being applied. Thanks.
Hi Tony thanks for writing in. Pretty much any authentic Samba Batucada type compositions will have this feel. It's a most common thing. All the best.
Phil, was this a thing you figured out on your own from your time spent in Brazil, or was this shown to you when you were there? Thx so much for sharing!
Hi Spike. Thanks for writing. Actually we have been talking about this for about 20 years or so. It has to do with my "Relayed Time Shifting Concept" - From My lessons site. We developed this with ethnomusicologists and players from many regions. In this instance we apply it to Samba from Brazil. My happiest moment was when I was there and the players of Brazil totally loved this whole method. Its super interesting to feel how the African lineage of drumming is still alive in all types of drumming. Drums are amazingly beautiful
Instant batacuda!
hahaha. yes! A formula to transform! 🙂@@Riddim4
Do you know of any songs that utilize this style? I would like to hear it in a song
ruclips.net/video/AsNoHinDidU/видео.html There are tons and tons. This might be a happy primer to see it in full effect! The cultural side is so awesome its not to be missed! :-) Thanks for writing in bro! All the best
WHOAAA MAAAN!!
Hi bratha :-)
may I ask you a question? some guys talk about a "bossa nova clave" that should be 3/3/4/3/3. As far I know, Brazilian music is not clave based rythms. What is your take on this point ?
Thank for writing Frank! Yes there is no "clave" in Brazilian Music. At least not in the afro Cuban sense. But if you take the word for it's true meaning in Spanish you could say that the Clave is this relationship to 6/8. Also the patterns we learn in the west throw us off the true path of this music. There is no one "pattern" that is played in Bossa or Samba. It's always flowing vocabulary. But you know....People that don't know anything write books about "Latin" drumming for money LOL. So the western drummer is plagued by "patterns" and the real way to play this stuff gets hidden away. I hope that helps :-)
@@philmaturanodrums thanks a lot. till now my bossa understanding was the "moving" type, e.g on the Zack Albetta side, and it seemed it could be no wrong
@@frankfertier34 Hmmm i don't know who that is. But i can tell you there is so much bad information out there that it's hard to sift through it all and find the real deal. It's really tricky trying to learn world music grooves. Most of the time people should not be teaching. Instead they should be out there playing whatever music they want to learn but...Thats not easy so they rather make a youtube video about patterns they got out of a book. Eecchh
Woow, soo tasty Phil !!! ❤️ Mnjom!! It's funny, you count basically in6/8, but I feel it and understand it all so like 4/4 somehow , just like a beauty modulation!!...
Thank you Peter. Yes rhythm is amazing. Drumming is a beautiful artform. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Wow..this is origin samba
There is no doubt that African drumming is the origin to a major extent in this music yes :-)
The next lesson series in Drums&Percussion?
Ahhh actually we covered this stuff in great detail a few years ago. It just always needs a retouch since cats are asking about. But thank for writing in! /-)
@@philmaturanodrums Ah really, gotta run through my old D&P magazines then. Thanks for your reply!
If I ever got this to tempo and sounding like you did at the end there, I would starve to death beacause I would just keep playing that and do nothing else.
hahaha! I know the feeling! ;-)
San Phil San ba!
jajaaaa 🙂
@@philmaturanodrums today i put my body to work... This shit is defying. The hands feels like a paradiddle or something. Weird things happen here. I was one of those that played the whatever pattern
@@GermanBarrabia Try to persist bro! The payoff is so much fun and worth it
to me it was not that hard, i was just born in Brazil
Está tudo errado
you need to translate the video to your language and understand the point of this exercise.