There’s a fine print in the showcase when they showcase dragon’s breath that says something like: “weapons releasing in future seasons and final shape” so it’s likely that at least some of the stuff in the showcase was planned to release earlier.
I don’t know why they would have it for the “FS SHOWCASE” unless maybe they couldn’t show gameplay of the other exotics they mentioned (Like the traveler trace rifle or that golden gun sniper) for being behind in production.
This sidearm is also the only current special weapon with permeability, and there aren't any energy specials with osmosis. I've been using this to fill out stasis/strand loadouts, especially with Wicked Implement, as this sidearm handles barrier while Wicked does overload and unstop
Not to mention it is so good for shattering stasis crystals. I have a loose change/ perm with renewal grasp hunter. I love it with headstone/crystal heavy builds
As mid as the origin trait is, it feels really nice on stasis builds that make a lot of crystals. The sidearm will one shot the crystal, then you can get a kill and reload quickly to proc voltshot. I've been using it alongside verglas curve on stasis warlock and hunter and I'm loving it
Something to note about surrounded on this gun is that it only buffs the impact damage as far as I can tell. Probably something that will be fixed in the future, but good to keep in mind for now.
I thought it felt like it wasn't really doing extra damage. Thanks for the heads up. I do hope it's not supposed to work like that. If so surrounded is a useless perk. Volt shot would be better. But I wanted surrounded and got it. So hopefully there is a fix for it.
@@dtps_champion6016I got voltshot and enlightened action with velocity masterwork. Pretty good roll j think, the reload speed from enlightened action is good during damage phases.
you can also use the perk permeability to change the weapon from arc to whatever subclass you are running aka void and strand to also make use of the artifact mod unraveling orbs and or Volatile Rounds. hell even scorch too with the artifact
Can you imagine this pocket rockets had lasting impression? Like lasting impression with vorpal I want to see that actually be some perks on these new archetype
Another added bonus of Voltshot is that it can stun Overload Champions as well, so it can double down this season and will be able to stun Overloads in the coming seasons when Barrier Sidearm won't be an Artifact Mod
I actually feel like Lead From Gold + Deconstruct will be a roll I'm looking for. Because it'd make using this weapon as a Primary much smoother. Deconstruct's Ammo refund triggers on any sustained damage, not just vehicles. It's weirdly written but, basically Deconstruct is a On Sustained Damage - Gives bonus dmg to Vehicles AND refunds ammo. It'd probably make the flow between ad-clear and major damage feel really neat.
I might have to try this myself. But my rocket pistol with voltshot is doing really good work, so that ammo refund is gonna have to make a big difference for me to use that instead.
Use it with mask of bakaris you can get increased damage from destroying stasis crystals and dodging for more damage increase. I think there could be a build like this in the future.
I really hope dthese frams get expanded on, and not completely forgotten until a few years later like Aggressive GLs, Double shot HC and Caster frames. does it needs to be good? No, but what's the common thing that they have been sharing? They are all fun to use in a way
I got real lucky, my first drop after the hellish escape that we totally didn't brute force out of the jail cell, was Impulse and Voltshot. I play solo a lot, and this has completely taken over my energy slot/weapon unless I need to run something specific. Such a fantastic weapon, can both ad clear and dish out damage, I have easily been able to solo to Coil with 15+ lives a few times thanks to this and Dragon's Breath. There's a reason I already have 1600+ kills on it
I just run it on solar titan in the weekly legendary mission solo. It does some serious work. Those clumped up cabal, when voltshot procs its nuts. Had it paired with Dragons Breath and the Dungeon bow in the primary slot
After testing with the sidearm’s origin trait, it will 2-shot a titans barricade dealing around 300+ damage a shot. It won’t pop a titan bubble. Might be useful in PvP?
The best way to take advantage of the Sundering origin trait is probably to use it with a Stasis build for shattering crystals. Because it takes Special ammo, it frees up a fragment slot since you don’t need Whisper of Rending. Verglas Curve or Salvation’s Grip would fit right into that build for more crystals.
I've been messing around with this thing on Arc subclasses, gotta say Spark of Beacons with this thing goes pretty hard, hoping to get a better roll soon.
I like this sidearm for minibosses it does good damage and with volt shot it’s good for handling regular enemies and if needed it’s decent as a backup for dps on bosses.
This thing's origin trait would make it really fun on a stasis hunter shatter build based around the Verglas Curve (since you need an explosive to shatter the crystals it spawns for peak efficiency), especially if you're using the Mask of Bakris which buffs stasis and arc weapons.
First of all, I love this gun. Second, I use this as part of my behemoth build. It one shots stasis crystals and gets that buff from sundering in the process. Very fun.
I got enlightened and volt shot, thing is an absolute beast when you are just out there farm and stuff. It does enough damage to be viable as a major enemy clearer, while also volt shot helps clear the minor enemies.
I've been running blink warlock in pvp for the past few seasons where the main special weapon I have been using was a GL (for various reasons) and often times I will blink to break their ankles and just lose to hipfire RNG on my GL shot. I feel like with an impulse amplifier roll I can potentially more consistently get the kill with this sidearm vs the GL.
Yo, just wanted to point out that deconstruct gives ammo from thin air (similar to triple tap/4th times the charm) instead of from reserves, about 1 round per 4 shots, or faster if the enemy is a vehicle/construct, this with lead from gold is great for ammo economy
i tried it and really like it , i love seein this because its something new and unique , something worth chasing , i havent felt the incentive to chase new loot since garden of salvation but this changes things
With Deconstruct, Loose Change, and the Origin perk, on Stasis, you don't need to use Whisper of Rending, which frees up a fragment slot. It's fun and effective.
Dear Cross. Why did you not try Mask of Bakris stasis with that gun? You can generate stasis crystals on demand to proc sundering origin trait, not to mention you can pair the sidearm with the new exotic stasis scout rifle!
I understand where you’re coming from and I love Mask of Bakris because of the blink dodge. However, Mask just isn’t the greatest exotic to use when there is a lot better options (as much as I hate to admit it). It’s probably not too bad for a pvp build tho.
I tried it in pvp and the gun is just too damn inconsistent most times you'll still need 3 shots to kill which is just snail speed TTK even for a primary let alone a special weapon.
Bungie just gave the Casuals - the super majority of its player base - a fun easy to use effective weapon that can be farmed. No wonder the Elitists don’t like it.
They took it off of everything except masterworks and Hawthorne now so they slowly face out and for you to use them in things like glimmer so you just don't loose them in a snap
@@iponce2 No this is the first to get volt shot with loose change. Adhortative and Jurassic Green can get loose change with incandescent, and a couple guns can get it with destabilizing rounds.
@@Eyasluna-Depending on how good the reload speed is and the velocity, I might want to take that over the current sidearm I have, which has voltshot and enlightened action. Enlightened action also provides reload speed, although it requires damage to proc. Don't know if it provides better reload speed, but if it does, I can go without the extra velocity from impulse amplifier.
@@infinitedeath1384 I think the sidearm's archetype almost demands velocity for faster moving targets or longer ranges. The bonus to velovity from impulse amplifier is a percentage, it's 35%. So, the more you have the more you'll get. Also, the reload speed provided by the perk is 20 plus x.80 scalar not just the stat. I honestly think it's miles ahead of loose change because it provides more than reload and the gun kind of wants velocity to function well. You'll find yourself missing more than expected when trying to track a target to get voltshot or proc it on a target. Possibly wasting the procced perk or ammo. It's not that hard to track but, I think the benefits outweigh loose change. Though, if it got field prep, I might consider that. Tbh though, even at super low reload speeds, it's not that bad. The animation itself is good... about like the exotic sidearms we have. I also think loose change is one of the crappiest perks.. because it can ruin a roll on a weapon if you don't get anything to match it meaning that you'll more rarely be able to take advantage of it. Even though it works with jolt, I'd still rather not see it on my gun lol... I don't even like the icon they created for it. I'm just baffled why it's most people's first choice for paring with voltshot on this gun. Enlightened action provides 10 handling and reload per stack, stacking 5 times. It is comparable to impulse amplifier with the scalar impulse provides, but you don't need handling if you have a decent barrel that at least doesn't lower it. I wouldn't be mad if I got enlightened though.
So I had gotten this weapon on my one and only run of warlords ruin and I have volatile launch, extended mag, lead from gold and adagio with a masterwork in velocity and it's a beast when it comes to yellow bar enemies. I've also noticed it staggers bigger enemies like ogres nicely
Perks feel kinda like a miss for me. Chain Reaction on this thing would be nuts. Envious Assassin, Cascade Point, hell maybe even Cluster Bomb since it can take rocket perks. I feel like they're holding back on this one, kind like how the Enigma has paled over the seasons in comparison to other glaives that have come. In an sense, Indebted Kindness is the first, and thus the **worst** of its archetype that we'll ever see. Expect to see more in Final Shape, and expect them to be nutty.
Beacon Rounds and Voltshot are good enough for me atm. I'm definitely looking forward to the nutty rolls that the next iterations of this archetype will be able to get, though.
adagio for single target voltshot for fun factor and implulse amp for reload. this is arguably one of the best guns in the game and this is your take away? you then decide to list a tier perks while s tier perks are on the gun. nice
@@TheFinalIllusionVoltshot and Adagio arent S-tier brodie, but def better than Cluster Bomb lol. Envious Assassin and Chain Reaction on this would be an instant lock for fourth column if it had them lol
My guess is behind the scenes the Bungie higher ups shut down most crazy weapon ideas but don't really care about sidearms so the weapon design team use sidearms as their sandbox for testing new ideas Which would explain a lot
I don't think the higher ups really care about "crazy" weapons. It likely has to do with a few factors, such as whether or not the functionality of said weapon breaks the game entirely and also whether or not the weapon would make the game insanely unbalanced. We know we're getting a Golden Gun sniper and Traveler-beam trace rifle with TFS, and both of those sound kinda crazy tbh.
@@GryphinHusky yeah but this is Bungie we're talking about, the Traveller beam will just be like Agers Sceptre and the golden gun sniper is just another Izanagi
Can I say, thank you for remembering Dreg’s promise; I was never a fan of the perks but the overall design just felt good; I like showing my support for the four armed boys
Its like a Trace Rifle its a "Super Hand Cannon" like traces are "Super Auto Rifles" and gives more Varity for thoes wanting to flex into a double special loadout in PvE. And just like trace rifles its simply ok in PvP, fast TTK but is held back by pisspoor ammo economy and simply not being super useful outside its optimal range
I haven't played around with this one that much but I got Buried Bloodline on our day 1 dungeon run, he's not kidding about using it like a primary. I took it to some lost sectors after, I was about 20 levels below but it still cleans up, didn't start running lown on ammo until the boss, and at that point it was time for heavy anyway
Got that as my first role. Couldn't care about the exotic because this was the true exotic. It's one of the best guns in the game. (Edit: Alright for you goobers that are saying "🤓 It's not end game viable." ... And? I meant to say it's one of the most fun guns in the game. I've had the same run and gun end game build for the last couple of seasons it's not that serious.
@@RuiNDieM1988furthest thing from the truth lol, a mediocre player with Wish Ender will still do better than a phenomenal player with a sidearm in GM content
This thing carried me through a Master solo run of Grasp of Avarice yesterday (I finally got that Gjallarhorn sparrow). With sidearms breaking barrier champ shields this season the Indebted Kindness just ripped through any Barrier Champions I had to face, It works great even from long distances with big time damage per hit making some of those encounters which used to give me some trouble almost trivial. It especially worked wonders on the 3 servitor barrier champs that pop out after damage phases on the final boss.
@@DjLuCKyCHaRM Yeah I got one I really like.......Voltshot/Enlightened Action........High Velocity rounds mag......Volatile launch barrel.........Re-load masterwork. With Enlightened Action/Reload Masterwork/Volatile launch working together it makes this specific roll a very fast and very powerful pocket rocket.
@@Mattblaze1477 I am trying to farm for one with your roll or lead from Gold + adagio. I can one shot the boss, but havent had any luck... Got helmets, gauntlets, bow, swords and a couple of sidearms with the most BS rolls... I dont understand that they just remove perks, nobody would use anyway... Thank you for your reply.
You see, now here's what i'm praying for a solar rocket assisted side arm with incandescent and ambitious assassin preferably also craftable for those sweet enhanced perks then I wanna pair it up against sunshine to see which one is better
I doubt this will get much coverage but sundering also affects anti-barrier champions shield. Once you hit that it increases the fire rate and lets you burst down the champion quicker
The Rocket Sidearm can roll with the Permeability perk and what this perk does is "Using your class ability changes this weapons damage type to match your subclass until you stow the weapon".......So you can turn it Solar, or Strand, or Void, or Stasis. Cheers Guardian.
I gotta say, ran a coil with this sidearm and I love that you can one-shot the arc shield enemies. If not one-shot, you're doing real damage, and you get the double AOF damage because of the shield explosion and the sidearm explosion.
I've got a Lead From Gold and Permeability roll that's been really fun on Threadling Warlock with Verity's Brow, gonna be trying it on my Gyrfalcon hunter as well. With anti-barrier sidearms this season it absolutely eats through champ shields.
You should start taking over for Ehoar who seems to be AWOL.. dude made the best build vids.. you already took over dps of weapons so you'd be the top content creator for destiny if you did this
Managed a 5/5 roll imo volatile launch/High exp ordinance/beacon/voltshot BR masterwork. By far the most versatile and fun special weapon since forbearance
Fun fact: People have invented a pistol with this kind of concept irl, however due to its big flaws it wasn't all that functional. The projectile was incredibly inaccurate not only that it was so slow you could stop the bullet if you put your finger in the barrel before pulling the trigger
It always feels like the first new weapon of an archetype comes out underwhelming with mid perk combos. I’d bet that if they released a new one later on, the perks will be much better.
I call this thing the Glock rocket, or The Glocket for short. My Glocket never leaves my side, I love my Glocket. And my Glocket loves me back. My Glocket keeps me warm at night. My Glocket makes me feel safe. My Glocket is beautiful. My Glocket is powerful. My Glocket... is everything.
I got one with Countermass, High-Velocity Rounds, Enlightened Action and Permeability. The Permeability (jack of all trades) make this roll shine in any situation like this season thanks to Artifact mods, making it strong with Solar. Next season, whether Artifact mods follow/focus another element then this roll will shine again. Don't sleep on Permeability trait.
Add raditant to this sidearm and some surge mods and you can definitely 2 tap tier 10 resilience guardians with body shots. Also, their are anti flinch armor mods which can greatly help with that, and tracking mods are going to be very fun in PVP.
Got Beacon Rounds + Voltshot on my first Indebted Kindness drop. It has yet to leave my loadout since, alongside Dragon’s Breath and an Onslaught + Encore Breakneck.
Gotta say I have an impulse/volt shot as my drop (took four runs), I have not taken it off. I’m using it with precious scars for infinite restoration and spark of beacon fragment that while amplified arc special weapon final blows create a blinding explosion. Have not had this much fun on a build in a while. With anti-barrier sidearm you can cover all three champions with this one weapon
Volt shot needs a buff...when u reload...all ur bullets causes jolts for that amount of seconds and instead of jolt on ya 1st bullet landed...a jolt version of kill clip
You do know Jolt is a debuff you apply to a target that shoots bursts of lightning as you shoot them? It activates basically the moment you apply it on someone and typically kills them too but if you use it on a tougher enemy you can keep shooting them and it keeps jolting. So it makes sense that it works the way it does. It would be way too potent if it was duration based imo.
To add to the PvE element of the weapon. The damage potential of the weapon massively goes up due to its blast radius. Like you fire this into the middle of a group of enemies and they'll all be taking that 17K or so damage from it. Meaning that in actual uses that aren't 1v1, in most cases Kindness is going to be doing huge amounts more damage than Forerunner could ever do. As is, its an absolute beast of a weapon, and as we get more in this archetype I wouldn't be surprised if they become the most popular type of sidearm.
This sidearm has replaced all the uses I had for fusion rifles. Better total damage, maybe better dps, it has range, ad clear, tons of ammo and voltshot if you want more ad clear. I simply love it.
If I ever get a voltshot roll I hope it has flared magwell or tactical mag instead of one of the RL mag perks because it dosent have a reload perk to pair with voltshot. Yeah it's a sidearm so the reload isn't bad but flared mag and a reload masterwork would make it so fast
The perk permeabilty allows you to run triple Stasis or Stand weapons. Cryosthecia 77 and this rocket sidearm paired with tricksleaves, +3 surges, and a cold comfort, noice! swap Cryo for the final warning and do the same crazyness on strand. hard content build, easier to proc quickly.
I'm starting to view Sundering as more like a raid mod style perk. As in, it's best used in the dungeon. After all, wouldn't all the blight turrets count as constructs? Obviously, those things aren't difficult to kill, but that's the only place I can think of where the origin trait could make any sense. Like against the Chineras' proper damage phase, where you can extend it by destroying the blight turrets. Dunno, I'm just spitballing
whoever at bungie that came up with this thing was cooking good. hope they keep it up with the weird quirky stuff. possibly going off the craftening (shotgun autorifle please???)
This might be the only weapon where Attrition Orbs is actually viable. I can see someone building into that to both increase damage and heal themself. I have Beacon Rounds + Attrition Orbs roll but I'll be grinding the dungeon to get my preferred roll, Impulse Amplifier or Enlightened Action + Voltshot.
It has replaced all the functionality I had with fusion rifles. Why use a fusion rifle when this thing has better range, total damage, and maybe even dps?
Funny thing, rocket bullet firearms aren't exactly a new thing, the gyrojet was a likely inspiration for this. The explosive ammunition, however, would be considered a war crime outside of Destiny
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There’s a fine print in the showcase when they showcase dragon’s breath that says something like: “weapons releasing in future seasons and final shape” so it’s likely that at least some of the stuff in the showcase was planned to release earlier.
I don’t know why they would have it for the “FS SHOWCASE” unless maybe they couldn’t show gameplay of the other exotics they mentioned (Like the traveler trace rifle or that golden gun sniper) for being behind in production.
@@cameronsalmon1314they were planning to under deliver. There probably wasn’t much to show
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@@SuperRONDALEthey didn't plan to under deliver, they just didn't plan to over deliver
@@HajileMalachcope harder
This sidearm is also the only current special weapon with permeability, and there aren't any energy specials with osmosis. I've been using this to fill out stasis/strand loadouts, especially with Wicked Implement, as this sidearm handles barrier while Wicked does overload and unstop
i was gonna coment on that, the fact that you have permeability means you can use with any class buffs and synergise with a lot of builds.
Not to mention it is so good for shattering stasis crystals. I have a loose change/ perm with renewal grasp hunter. I love it with headstone/crystal heavy builds
Permeability is dumb. They should have just made it an osmosis rework.😅
As mid as the origin trait is, it feels really nice on stasis builds that make a lot of crystals. The sidearm will one shot the crystal, then you can get a kill and reload quickly to proc voltshot. I've been using it alongside verglas curve on stasis warlock and hunter and I'm loving it
Voltshot procs on crystals?
@@vasilyzaytsev2223 No, you have to get a kill after shattering it, but the timer on the origin trait is around 5-6 seconds so it's fairly forgiving
@@sunbreakertitan9285 I don't play titan lol
@@sunbreakertitan9285 I'll be ok ;)
@@sunbreakertitan9285Stasis titan is F tier for pve though...
Something to note about surrounded on this gun is that it only buffs the impact damage as far as I can tell. Probably something that will be fixed in the future, but good to keep in mind for now.
Same thing with antibarrier. You can't kill shielded hobgoblins in legend content bc only the impact damage goes through
I thought it felt like it wasn't really doing extra damage. Thanks for the heads up. I do hope it's not supposed to work like that. If so surrounded is a useless perk. Volt shot would be better. But I wanted surrounded and got it. So hopefully there is a fix for it.
@@sonoak same boat here. I got a volshot with impulse and some reload stuff so that'll do for now
@@dtps_champion6016I got voltshot and enlightened action with velocity masterwork. Pretty good roll j think, the reload speed from enlightened action is good during damage phases.
you can also use the perk permeability to change the weapon from arc to whatever subclass you are running aka void and strand to also make use of the artifact mod unraveling orbs and or Volatile Rounds. hell even scorch too with the artifact
Can you imagine this pocket rockets had lasting impression? Like lasting impression with vorpal I want to see that actually be some perks on these new archetype
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Another added bonus of Voltshot is that it can stun Overload Champions as well, so it can double down this season and will be able to stun Overloads in the coming seasons when Barrier Sidearm won't be an Artifact Mod
I actually feel like Lead From Gold + Deconstruct will be a roll I'm looking for. Because it'd make using this weapon as a Primary much smoother. Deconstruct's Ammo refund triggers on any sustained damage, not just vehicles.
It's weirdly written but, basically Deconstruct is a On Sustained Damage - Gives bonus dmg to Vehicles AND refunds ammo.
It'd probably make the flow between ad-clear and major damage feel really neat.
Wow, that's almost infinitely better than the way I interpreted that text. Guess I'll have to try and get myself a better sidearm roll!
I might have to try this myself. But my rocket pistol with voltshot is doing really good work, so that ammo refund is gonna have to make a big difference for me to use that instead.
Wtf, that is not how i understood deconstruction. That is much better than just vehicles
Yea, saw cross had a roll. When he was testing tricksleeves, I saw ammo appearing out of thin air when damaging carl
It’s just 10% of the mag tho what would be 1 shot only that you get back, idk how often it reprocs or what the cooldown is
Use it with mask of bakaris you can get increased damage from destroying stasis crystals and dodging for more damage increase. I think there could be a build like this in the future.
if only we still had the 1 energy sidearm scavenger lol. i remember always using a few of them with forerunner
The origin trait must be good for the orbs that drop on the ground during the final boss encounter at the dungeon.
Taken blights you mean.
I wonder if it procs on the taken eyes
@@holopaste It does, funny enough
Not the blights, but the Taken Eyes in all of the encounters proc Sundering
I really hope dthese frams get expanded on, and not completely forgotten until a few years later like Aggressive GLs, Double shot HC and Caster frames. does it needs to be good? No, but what's the common thing that they have been sharing? They are all fun to use in a way
Impulse amplifier and high velocity rounds can make for a crazy accurate version of this sidearm.
I got real lucky, my first drop after the hellish escape that we totally didn't brute force out of the jail cell, was Impulse and Voltshot. I play solo a lot, and this has completely taken over my energy slot/weapon unless I need to run something specific. Such a fantastic weapon, can both ad clear and dish out damage, I have easily been able to solo to Coil with 15+ lives a few times thanks to this and Dragon's Breath. There's a reason I already have 1600+ kills on it
Took me like 10 sidearms to get a god roll.
I just run it on solar titan in the weekly legendary mission solo. It does some serious work. Those clumped up cabal, when voltshot procs its nuts. Had it paired with Dragons Breath and the Dungeon bow in the primary slot
I mean, you could use voltshot on any other weapon and achieve the same result. 🤷🏻♂️
@@yashugoyal1772did they normalize the jolt weapons apply? If not sidearms do the most, so not really
@@HajileMalach The jolt damage is enough to deal with trash ads bro calm down.
@yashugoyal1772 obviously. My point was I was trying it out (lead from gold + Volt shot), 20 power under and the thing is 2 tapping barrier champions.
After testing with the sidearm’s origin trait, it will 2-shot a titans barricade dealing around 300+ damage a shot. It won’t pop a titan bubble. Might be useful in PvP?
The best way to take advantage of the Sundering origin trait is probably to use it with a Stasis build for shattering crystals. Because it takes Special ammo, it frees up a fragment slot since you don’t need Whisper of Rending. Verglas Curve or Salvation’s Grip would fit right into that build for more crystals.
when i get the prophecy auto with demolitionist + osmosis, id probably use that with this build too
I've been messing around with this thing on Arc subclasses, gotta say Spark of Beacons with this thing goes pretty hard, hoping to get a better roll soon.
I like this sidearm for minibosses it does good damage and with volt shot it’s good for handling regular enemies and if needed it’s decent as a backup for dps on bosses.
This thing's origin trait would make it really fun on a stasis hunter shatter build based around the Verglas Curve (since you need an explosive to shatter the crystals it spawns for peak efficiency), especially if you're using the Mask of Bakris which buffs stasis and arc weapons.
First of all, I love this gun.
Second, I use this as part of my behemoth build. It one shots stasis crystals and gets that buff from sundering in the process. Very fun.
I find the origin trait helps with destroying the eyes around the last boss of the new dungeon
I got enlightened and volt shot, thing is an absolute beast when you are just out there farm and stuff. It does enough damage to be viable as a major enemy clearer, while also volt shot helps clear the minor enemies.
I've been running blink warlock in pvp for the past few seasons where the main special weapon I have been using was a GL (for various reasons) and often times I will blink to break their ankles and just lose to hipfire RNG on my GL shot. I feel like with an impulse amplifier roll I can potentially more consistently get the kill with this sidearm vs the GL.
This gun is my go to barrier champ slayer now. One shotting the shield is so nice
Yo, just wanted to point out that deconstruct gives ammo from thin air (similar to triple tap/4th times the charm) instead of from reserves, about 1 round per 4 shots, or faster if the enemy is a vehicle/construct, this with lead from gold is great for ammo economy
Tricksleeves on stasis hunter with glacial grenades. Takes advantage of the origin trait by walling and balling enemies.
i tried it and really like it , i love seein this because its something new and unique , something worth chasing , i havent felt the incentive to chase new loot since garden of salvation but this changes things
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With Deconstruct, Loose Change, and the Origin perk, on Stasis, you don't need to use Whisper of Rending, which frees up a fragment slot. It's fun and effective.
Dear Cross. Why did you not try Mask of Bakris stasis with that gun? You can generate stasis crystals on demand to proc sundering origin trait, not to mention you can pair the sidearm with the new exotic stasis scout rifle!
I understand where you’re coming from and I love Mask of Bakris because of the blink dodge. However, Mask just isn’t the greatest exotic to use when there is a lot better options (as much as I hate to admit it). It’s probably not too bad for a pvp build tho.
I tried it in pvp and the gun is just too damn inconsistent most times you'll still need 3 shots to kill which is just snail speed TTK even for a primary let alone a special weapon.
Drinking game: Take a shot every time Cross misses a melee ability
Bungie just gave the Casuals - the super majority of its player base - a fun easy to use effective weapon that can be farmed. No wonder the Elitists don’t like it.
I predict that next season we will get the support frame auto rifles, since we got the sidearms this season.
Next season *is* the final shape after all
I mean yea, next season is the final shape
so what ever happened to legendary shards being removed this season. They are still a currency required to masterwork guns.
They're starting to phase them out. They won't be removed till Final Shape.
Welp someone hasn’t been reading the twids, they never said it was happening this season they said it was final shape
No one said they'd be gone this season. Don't come in here bitching because you can't read
They took it off of everything except masterworks and Hawthorne now so they slowly face out and for you to use them in things like glimmer so you just don't loose them in a snap
They didn't say this season. They said TFS
In PvP I find it really goofy (but fun) with beacon rounds/adagio. I’m looking for a loose change/volt shot roll for PvE.
Does anything else roll loose change/volt shot? That's a nice sounding combo
@@iponce2 No this is the first to get volt shot with loose change. Adhortative and Jurassic Green can get loose change with incandescent, and a couple guns can get it with destabilizing rounds.
I think I'd take impulse amplifier over loose change.
@@Eyasluna-Depending on how good the reload speed is and the velocity, I might want to take that over the current sidearm I have, which has voltshot and enlightened action. Enlightened action also provides reload speed, although it requires damage to proc. Don't know if it provides better reload speed, but if it does, I can go without the extra velocity from impulse amplifier.
@@infinitedeath1384 I think the sidearm's archetype almost demands velocity for faster moving targets or longer ranges. The bonus to velovity from impulse amplifier is a percentage, it's 35%. So, the more you have the more you'll get. Also, the reload speed provided by the perk is 20 plus x.80 scalar not just the stat. I honestly think it's miles ahead of loose change because it provides more than reload and the gun kind of wants velocity to function well. You'll find yourself missing more than expected when trying to track a target to get voltshot or proc it on a target. Possibly wasting the procced perk or ammo. It's not that hard to track but, I think the benefits outweigh loose change. Though, if it got field prep, I might consider that. Tbh though, even at super low reload speeds, it's not that bad. The animation itself is good... about like the exotic sidearms we have. I also think loose change is one of the crappiest perks.. because it can ruin a roll on a weapon if you don't get anything to match it meaning that you'll more rarely be able to take advantage of it. Even though it works with jolt, I'd still rather not see it on my gun lol... I don't even like the icon they created for it. I'm just baffled why it's most people's first choice for paring with voltshot on this gun.
Enlightened action provides 10 handling and reload per stack, stacking 5 times. It is comparable to impulse amplifier with the scalar impulse provides, but you don't need handling if you have a decent barrel that at least doesn't lower it. I wouldn't be mad if I got enlightened though.
So I had gotten this weapon on my one and only run of warlords ruin and I have volatile launch, extended mag, lead from gold and adagio with a masterwork in velocity and it's a beast when it comes to yellow bar enemies. I've also noticed it staggers bigger enemies like ogres nicely
Perks feel kinda like a miss for me. Chain Reaction on this thing would be nuts. Envious Assassin, Cascade Point, hell maybe even Cluster Bomb since it can take rocket perks. I feel like they're holding back on this one, kind like how the Enigma has paled over the seasons in comparison to other glaives that have come. In an sense, Indebted Kindness is the first, and thus the **worst** of its archetype that we'll ever see. Expect to see more in Final Shape, and expect them to be nutty.
Beacon Rounds and Voltshot are good enough for me atm. I'm definitely looking forward to the nutty rolls that the next iterations of this archetype will be able to get, though.
adagio for single target voltshot for fun factor and implulse amp for reload. this is arguably one of the best guns in the game and this is your take away? you then decide to list a tier perks while s tier perks are on the gun. nice
@@TheFinalIllusionVoltshot and Adagio arent S-tier brodie, but def better than Cluster Bomb lol. Envious Assassin and Chain Reaction on this would be an instant lock for fourth column if it had them lol
Wonder if they didn't put chain reaction out of fear of obsoleting Forbearance.
I heard someone talkin’ shit about my level 891 Enigma
My guess is behind the scenes the Bungie higher ups shut down most crazy weapon ideas but don't really care about sidearms so the weapon design team use sidearms as their sandbox for testing new ideas
Which would explain a lot
I don't think the higher ups really care about "crazy" weapons. It likely has to do with a few factors, such as whether or not the functionality of said weapon breaks the game entirely and also whether or not the weapon would make the game insanely unbalanced. We know we're getting a Golden Gun sniper and Traveler-beam trace rifle with TFS, and both of those sound kinda crazy tbh.
@@GryphinHusky yeah but this is Bungie we're talking about, the Traveller beam will just be like Agers Sceptre and the golden gun sniper is just another Izanagi
Destiny Devs: What if Mountaintop was a sidearm?
Can I say, thank you for remembering Dreg’s promise; I was never a fan of the perks but the overall design just felt good; I like showing my support for the four armed boys
It's like someone on the weapons team at Bungie saw the Gyrojet and was like "we should add that to the game." And I'm here for it.
it’s a pocket rocket. that’s it. that’s the joke.
Its like a Trace Rifle its a "Super Hand Cannon" like traces are "Super Auto Rifles" and gives more Varity for thoes wanting to flex into a double special loadout in PvE. And just like trace rifles its simply ok in PvP, fast TTK but is held back by pisspoor ammo economy and simply not being super useful outside its optimal range
I haven't played around with this one that much but I got Buried Bloodline on our day 1 dungeon run, he's not kidding about using it like a primary. I took it to some lost sectors after, I was about 20 levels below but it still cleans up, didn't start running lown on ammo until the boss, and at that point it was time for heavy anyway
It looks like a voltshot wave frame sidearm. Right now I’m using the automatic plunder sidearm. I got to get me the upgrade.
I think there's a case to be made to run this guy with permeability. Making this thing a solar weapon might be pretty crazy with the mods this season.
Ayyyy your new vid actually Popped up on my notifications! Good deal.
Got that as my first role. Couldn't care about the exotic because this was the true exotic. It's one of the best guns in the game.
(Edit: Alright for you goobers that are saying "🤓 It's not end game viable." ... And? I meant to say it's one of the most fun guns in the game. I've had the same run and gun end game build for the last couple of seasons it's not that serious.
Its a very fun weapon but nowhere near one of the best in the game
@@HighFiveGhostenjoyer428definitely one of the best all arounder specials
@@HighFiveGhostenjoyer428a weapon is only as good as the wielder
@@RuiNDieM1988furthest thing from the truth lol, a mediocre player with Wish Ender will still do better than a phenomenal player with a sidearm in GM content
I love how there's people with Wish Ender stuck up their rear so much they ignore everything else because the gun can't solo gms by itself
Kinda glad they brought the weapon frame early so we can test it and get more of them when the expansion drops.
This thing carried me through a Master solo run of Grasp of Avarice yesterday (I finally got that Gjallarhorn sparrow). With sidearms breaking barrier champ shields this season the Indebted Kindness just ripped through any Barrier Champions I had to face, It works great even from long distances with big time damage per hit making some of those encounters which used to give me some trouble almost trivial. It especially worked wonders on the 3 servitor barrier champs that pop out after damage phases on the final boss.
What roll do you have? And good job man.
@@DjLuCKyCHaRM Yeah I got one I really like.......Voltshot/Enlightened Action........High Velocity rounds mag......Volatile launch barrel.........Re-load masterwork. With Enlightened Action/Reload Masterwork/Volatile launch working together it makes this specific roll a very fast and very powerful pocket rocket.
@@Mattblaze1477 I am trying to farm for one with your roll or lead from Gold + adagio. I can one shot the boss, but havent had any luck... Got helmets, gauntlets, bow, swords and a couple of sidearms with the most BS rolls... I dont understand that they just remove perks, nobody would use anyway... Thank you for your reply.
Has anyone noticed how abnormally expensive everything was for Bright Dust today ?
Got me a Volshot / Beacon Rounds roll and I love it. Pocket Rocket for sure, very forgiving and with some simple ammo mods, the ammo economy is great.
You see, now here's what i'm praying for a solar rocket assisted side arm with incandescent and ambitious assassin preferably also craftable for those sweet enhanced perks then I wanna pair it up against sunshine to see which one is better
guess what
U can use this weapons foundry perk to destroy eyes in warlord's ruin in 1 shot as they are constructs.
I doubt this will get much coverage but sundering also affects anti-barrier champions shield. Once you hit that it increases the fire rate and lets you burst down the champion quicker
Man.. I'd love to have a solar version of this
The Rocket Sidearm can roll with the Permeability perk and what this perk does is "Using your class ability changes this weapons damage type to match your subclass until you stow the weapon".......So you can turn it Solar, or Strand, or Void, or Stasis. Cheers Guardian.
Might be the first time Cross openly acknowledged the two gambit players
I gotta say, ran a coil with this sidearm and I love that you can one-shot the arc shield enemies. If not one-shot, you're doing real damage, and you get the double AOF damage because of the shield explosion and the sidearm explosion.
My second ever roll of this thing has lead from gold and voltshot. I think with a heavy ammo finder, I could basically use this as a primary
It takes special ammo right?
As someone who played the entire borderlands series, i am happy that i can experience it here
I've got a Lead From Gold and Permeability roll that's been really fun on Threadling Warlock with Verity's Brow, gonna be trying it on my Gyrfalcon hunter as well. With anti-barrier sidearms this season it absolutely eats through champ shields.
Wondering if you can pair this Forerunner. I know double special was nerfed but they both have great ammo economy
With special finisher and scavenger mods, you could probably make it work.
You should start taking over for Ehoar who seems to be AWOL.. dude made the best build vids.. you already took over dps of weapons so you'd be the top content creator for destiny if you did this
Devils ruin trick sleeves was a fun build back in the day, might have to run that again
Managed a 5/5 roll imo volatile launch/High exp ordinance/beacon/voltshot BR masterwork. By far the most versatile and fun special weapon since forbearance
Bacon rounds+Adagio is easy 2 bodyshots on most resiliences
Fun fact: People have invented a pistol with this kind of concept irl, however due to its big flaws it wasn't all that functional. The projectile was incredibly inaccurate not only that it was so slow you could stop the bullet if you put your finger in the barrel before pulling the trigger
It always feels like the first new weapon of an archetype comes out underwhelming with mid perk combos. I’d bet that if they released a new one later on, the perks will be much better.
I want this thing so badly with lead from gold and permiability, this thing with volitaile rounds or ignitions looks really fun
How would you get ignitions from making it do solar damage?
@@bitingwinds9208one of the seasonal perks makes it where precision kills with solar weapons causes an ignition.
As an avid Forerunner user, this hits me right in that special sidearm niche I love
Done this dungeon for the first time this week, master and normal 5 times, got this sidearm don't care about the exotic anymore, this is insane
I call this thing the Glock rocket, or The Glocket for short. My Glocket never leaves my side, I love my Glocket. And my Glocket loves me back. My Glocket keeps me warm at night. My Glocket makes me feel safe. My Glocket is beautiful. My Glocket is powerful. My Glocket... is everything.
I got one with Countermass, High-Velocity Rounds, Enlightened Action and Permeability.
The Permeability (jack of all trades) make this roll shine in any situation like this season thanks to Artifact mods, making it strong with Solar. Next season, whether Artifact mods follow/focus another element then this roll will shine again. Don't sleep on Permeability trait.
As a Gambit Methead using this sidearm in Gambit, the very last sentence of this review makes me feel SEEN
Add raditant to this sidearm and some surge mods and you can definitely 2 tap tier 10 resilience guardians with body shots. Also, their are anti flinch armor mods which can greatly help with that, and tracking mods are going to be very fun in PVP.
Got Beacon Rounds + Voltshot on my first Indebted Kindness drop.
It has yet to leave my loadout since, alongside Dragon’s Breath and an Onslaught + Encore Breakneck.
What about a renewal grasp hunter to take advantage of the origin trait? Every duskfield provides a crystal to shoot and proc the effect.
Gotta say I have an impulse/volt shot as my drop (took four runs), I have not taken it off.
I’m using it with precious scars for infinite restoration and spark of beacon fragment that while amplified arc special weapon final blows create a blinding explosion. Have not had this much fun on a build in a while.
With anti-barrier sidearm you can cover all three champions with this one weapon
Nothing like triple dipping in champion stuns with one weapon. I love this rocket pistol.
Cool little thing, "Constructs" appear to work on cyclops and shriekers (as they are considered vehicles in the games coding)
Have you done a top kinetic and energy legendary dps load out video for this expansion yet?
Volt shot needs a buff...when u reload...all ur bullets causes jolts for that amount of seconds and instead of jolt on ya 1st bullet landed...a jolt version of kill clip
You do know Jolt is a debuff you apply to a target that shoots bursts of lightning as you shoot them? It activates basically the moment you apply it on someone and typically kills them too but if you use it on a tougher enemy you can keep shooting them and it keeps jolting.
So it makes sense that it works the way it does. It would be way too potent if it was duration based imo.
@@ROFLWAFFLELAWL4 i appreciate it. I think volt shot needs a buff
Cracked out of its mind with volt shot
Got myself a loose change, voltshot roll the other day and it those two go beautiful together
To add to the PvE element of the weapon. The damage potential of the weapon massively goes up due to its blast radius. Like you fire this into the middle of a group of enemies and they'll all be taking that 17K or so damage from it. Meaning that in actual uses that aren't 1v1, in most cases Kindness is going to be doing huge amounts more damage than Forerunner could ever do. As is, its an absolute beast of a weapon, and as we get more in this archetype I wouldn't be surprised if they become the most popular type of sidearm.
This sidearm has replaced all the uses I had for fusion rifles. Better total damage, maybe better dps, it has range, ad clear, tons of ammo and voltshot if you want more ad clear. I simply love it.
First roll I got was enlightened action and voltshot. Feels great but I’m finding myself having trouble picking a kinetic primary to use with it.
*BREAKNECK*
@@thesonicfanboi OH SHIT I FORGOT BREAKNECK IS BACK YES
@@Reksrat YEAH BABYYYY (and I got the roll a couple hours ago it slaps ((subsistence+onslaught)))
How do you get this gun? What activity will it drop from?
You could use it with stasis and shoot the crystals to get the extra reload speed, but I think that original trait is mostly for PvP
If I ever get a voltshot roll I hope it has flared magwell or tactical mag instead of one of the RL mag perks because it dosent have a reload perk to pair with voltshot. Yeah it's a sidearm so the reload isn't bad but flared mag and a reload masterwork would make it so fast
This sidearm with deconstruct, and anti barrier sidearms allows it to 2 tap a titan barricade.
The perk permeabilty allows you to run triple Stasis or Stand weapons. Cryosthecia 77 and this rocket sidearm paired with tricksleaves, +3 surges, and a cold comfort, noice! swap Cryo for the final warning and do the same crazyness on strand. hard content build, easier to proc quickly.
I'm starting to view Sundering as more like a raid mod style perk. As in, it's best used in the dungeon. After all, wouldn't all the blight turrets count as constructs?
Obviously, those things aren't difficult to kill, but that's the only place I can think of where the origin trait could make any sense. Like against the Chineras' proper damage phase, where you can extend it by destroying the blight turrets.
Dunno, I'm just spitballing
Ive noticed scorpion turrets proc it
whoever at bungie that came up with this thing was cooking good. hope they keep it up with the weird quirky stuff. possibly going off the craftening (shotgun autorifle please???)
This might be the only weapon where Attrition Orbs is actually viable. I can see someone building into that to both increase damage and heal themself.
I have Beacon Rounds + Attrition Orbs roll but I'll be grinding the dungeon to get my preferred roll, Impulse Amplifier or Enlightened Action + Voltshot.
Its almost like having Mountaintop back. More range and more mob control with Voltshot, but less major and boss damage.
I don't understand why so little people are talking about this thing, it is amazing everywhere and for sure my new favourite legendary in the game
It has replaced all the functionality I had with fusion rifles. Why use a fusion rifle when this thing has better range, total damage, and maybe even dps?
When arc artifact mods come, this weapon will be glorious.
using this with monte carlo for my arc build and it’s absolutely nuts
So Torgue finally made his way from boderlands to destiny. I love it.
Funny thing, rocket bullet firearms aren't exactly a new thing, the gyrojet was a likely inspiration for this. The explosive ammunition, however, would be considered a war crime outside of Destiny
got a loose change + voltshot roll day one, it’s a beast